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TAYLOR FRANKIE PAUL SHOCKER | SLOMW News with Kate Casey · Reality with The King

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
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Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
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Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives of Atlanta, New Jersey,
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Speaker 1: and my own creation, the Love and Marriage franchise and
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Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the
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Speaker 1: Real Housewives franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset. in
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Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
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Speaker 1: scripted as well.
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Speaker 2: Listen, this is breaking news, an emergency episode.
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Speaker 3: Kate is on the case.
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Speaker 4: Always.
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Speaker 3: Always, as we get into what's going on on....
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Speaker 2: It's funny, I'm so used to talking about the Real Housewives.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, the real, I'm like, actually, no, Carlos. It's
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Speaker 1: Secret Lies of Mormon Wives. We have learned today, Kate,
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Speaker 1: that Taylor, excuse me, Taylor Frankie Paul steps away from
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Speaker 1: the show after allegedly failing court-ordered drug tests, citing disgusting
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Speaker 1: bullying from the castmates. Before we get into how Kate feels, Um,
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Speaker 1: I do want to read a little bit of the statement.
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Speaker 1: She gives her gratitude to all the networks that supported
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Speaker 1: her throughout this and gave her a chance to return. However,
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Speaker 1: she does not desire to move forward like this. She
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Speaker 1: then Kate lash out at her Mormon wives, castmates saying
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Speaker 1: they engage in a pylon. Um, she wrote that laughing
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Speaker 1: about my.
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Speaker 2: Kids is disgusting.
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Speaker 1: Uh, in her post as well, sources told Variety last
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Speaker 1: week that, as reported by TMZ, Taylor allegedly failed a
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Speaker 1: recent drug test ordered by Utah court during her ongoing
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Speaker 1: custody battles with her ex-boyfriend Dakota, with whom she shares
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Speaker 1: one son, and her ex-husband Tate, with whom she shares
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Speaker 1: a son and a daughter.
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Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 1: Give me the tea because in this statement, she does
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Speaker 1: not address the drug test allegations. But Kate, what's going on?
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Speaker 1: This is like your wheelhouse. Give us the tea, honey.
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Speaker 4: Well, I think it's important to note again that last
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Speaker 4: week there was this drug test. If you watch the, okay,
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Speaker 4: so they were supposed to film, you know, 10 episodes
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Speaker 4: for the last season. Season five was only five episodes long.
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Speaker 4: A lot of people are like, why? Well, it's because
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Speaker 4: of the fallout with The Bachelorette. And now it was
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Speaker 4: announced that that would not air. And then they were
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Speaker 4: having all of these issues within the cast members. Like,
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Speaker 4: I don't want to be on the show with this person.
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Speaker 4: And so it was only five episodes. And then season
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Speaker 4: six was supposed to come back. And of course, all
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Speaker 4: the other women would have trepidation because she has been
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Speaker 4: central to the show. This is the problem that I
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Speaker 4: think many... shows run into is you can't make the
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Speaker 4: show about one person. And the show was born out
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Speaker 4: of this soft swinging scandal, but she really was at
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Speaker 4: the center of it. And she's one of those characters
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Speaker 4: that just sucks out all of the air in the room.
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Speaker 4: So because of that, when there was all of this
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Speaker 4: news with regard to her being pulled or her season
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Speaker 4: being pulled, Of course, it puts the show in flux
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Speaker 4: because it's like, okay, well, she's the central character. So
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Speaker 4: they were all really frustrated season five. Then there's the
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Speaker 4: announcement of season six. It was assumed that she may
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Speaker 4: not come back, especially because there was also an announcement
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Speaker 4: that there's this offshoot show called Secret Lives of Sister
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Speaker 4: Wives Orange County. And some of them were living for
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Speaker 4: a short period of time in Orange County. So I
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Speaker 4: thought this is going to be the new frontier. Like
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Speaker 4: they're moving away from Taylor Frankie Balk. Well, then it
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Speaker 4: was announced that she would be coming back. So Michaela,
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Speaker 4: one of the cast members, put out a statement saying,
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Speaker 4: you know, I'm out basically. I can't take this. Paraphrasing,
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Speaker 4: but growing up in a house that was less than ideal,
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Speaker 4: I do not want to put myself in this situation
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Speaker 4: any longer. And, you know, I'm leaving. So then there
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Speaker 4: was a lot of discussion about like, well, what's going
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Speaker 4: to happen in the show? Because obviously no one wants
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Speaker 4: to film with this person who is incredibly erratic. Now,
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Speaker 4: if you have not watched the last five episodes, I'll
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Speaker 4: tell you this. Something is off. Something's really off. And
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Speaker 4: I had speculated with Chelsea DeVantis, who you would love.
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Speaker 4: She is a comedy writer. She just wrote a movie.
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Speaker 4: She is brilliant. And she lived in Utah and grew
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Speaker 4: up in this culture. And she was explaining that the
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Speaker 4: behavior of of Taylor Frankie Paul was especially alarming in
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Speaker 4: the last few episodes. And she reminded me of this
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Speaker 4: one episode in a restaurant where she had been in
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Speaker 4: New York. She was filming stuff that was like post
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Speaker 4: the bachelorette.
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Speaker 3: Nope.
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Speaker 4: You're going to love this one. She's engaged to the
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Speaker 4: guy that she meets on the show. So that's one relationship.
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Speaker 4: She's still sleeping with the guy, Dakota, the ex that
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Speaker 4: she's in all of this legal trouble with. That's two.
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Speaker 4: And then the duration of the filming, those five episodes,
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Speaker 4: there's another guy that she DMed with. He's in the
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Speaker 4: hotel room in New York. So there are three men
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Speaker 4: she's speaking to at one time while filming this show.
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Speaker 4: Talk about chaotic. Well, the one scene, she comes down
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Speaker 4: from that hotel room into the restaurant where the other
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Speaker 4: cast members are, and she's clearly on something. Now, for
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Speaker 4: me to notice somebody's on drugs is bad. Like, it's bad.
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Speaker 4: And her behavior was so alarming that I just thought,
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Speaker 4: what the hell is really going on behind the scenes
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Speaker 4: of the show? So when it was announced a couple
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Speaker 4: days ago that she failed this drug test, ding, ding, ding, ding,
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Speaker 4: it's like, okay, this all kind of makes sense. So
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Speaker 4: I think there are two things that are really disturbing
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Speaker 4: about this. One, someone who's clearly really in the most
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Speaker 4: chaotic point of their life and desperately needs help. But
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Speaker 4: she's also a reality star. And the second part of
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Speaker 4: this is she's part of a system that is rewarding
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Speaker 4: chaotic behavior. So as we know, because we cover this
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Speaker 4: all the time and you certainly make shows and you've
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Speaker 4: been privy to stuff off camera. We have somebody who
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Speaker 4: has been successful in reality television because their life is
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Speaker 4: completely toxic. They are toxic person. They surround themselves with toxicity,
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Speaker 4: but they've been rewarded for it. She cheats on her husband.
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Speaker 4: She becomes a TikTok star. She becomes a TikTok star.
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Speaker 4: She gets a television show. She's a disaster on the
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Speaker 4: television show. She's named The Bachelorette. You know, working in
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Speaker 4: this industry, it's like people who have large followings, it's
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Speaker 4: like walk them through the city in a golden chalice.
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Speaker 4: Like they get anything they want. They're rewarded. And who
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Speaker 4: knows even if that following is real, right? But that's
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Speaker 4: the name of the game in entertainment. If you have over...
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Speaker 4: And in her case, I think it's like 7 million followers.
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Speaker 4: She just keeps getting handed opportunities. So there's never any
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Speaker 4: consequences for her behavior. In fact, it's giving her more opportunities.
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Speaker 4: There's more in financial incentive. There's more career incentive. At
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Speaker 4: what point does the industry say this person needs to
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Speaker 4: walk away and get help? And what point does a
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Speaker 4: reality star make peace with the fact that fame is
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Speaker 4: another level of addiction? And because she's addicted to the
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Speaker 4: fame and because this opportunity is probably being pulled from her,
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Speaker 4: what does she do? She starts blaming others because it's
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Speaker 4: a psychological defense.
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Speaker 1: So the thing is this, she arguably, so I don't
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Speaker 1: watch the show, right? I've dabbled in and out of episodes.
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Speaker 1: Not that it's not a great show. It's just, you know,
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Speaker 1: with everything I have going on.
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Speaker 4: I would say it's like pre-Housewives. It's like, Post-teen mom,
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Speaker 4: but pre-housewives. It lives in that space. And it lives
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Speaker 4: in a space in a part of the country that
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Speaker 4: is not very exciting, landscape-wise.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 2: I'm aware that she's the face of the show.
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Speaker 3: Like, even if I'm aware of that.
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Speaker 1: And when all of the controversy that you and I
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Speaker 1: talked about when she first, um, got the bachelorette taken
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Speaker 1: away from her, we saw the video of her and
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Speaker 1: I believe it was Dakota, um, having this sort of
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Speaker 1: like fight and then the child was there and whether
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Speaker 1: or not the child was hit by something she threw. Um, um,
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Speaker 1: When she was not fired, that's when my spidey senses
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Speaker 1: as producer said, she means.
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Speaker 3: Too much to the program.
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Speaker 2: They view her as a valuable asset to this show.
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Speaker 1: You and I both know, me as producer, you as
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Speaker 1: an expert, you and I both know that on an
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Speaker 1: ensemble show, one thing these women don't want is a
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Speaker 1: bona fide obvious star that they feel the network may protect.
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Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 3: Right? They don't like that.
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Speaker 1: So when she was allowed to come back, I knew
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Speaker 1: that I wonder how this is going.
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Speaker 3: To play out.
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Speaker 2: A woman quit last week. She now failed the drug test.
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Speaker 3: Do you think.
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Speaker 1: they had no choice but to say, she's a huge liability.
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Speaker 3: We have to let her go. We won't have a
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Speaker 3: shopping point.
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Speaker 4: I think those producers held on with white knuckles. I
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Speaker 4: think the general counsel had to step in and say,
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Speaker 4: this is such a huge liability at this point.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I mean, the show really began as this soft swinging
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Speaker 4: scandal and you wanted to watch because you're like, everyone's
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Speaker 4: so cute and they make these dance routines up. But
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Speaker 4: behind the scenes, they're all sleeping with each other's husbands.
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Speaker 4: And it's like, okay, that's why you watch the show, right?
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Speaker 4: You're like, what? But then it became... more about like
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Speaker 4: their lives as influencers. And I think we live in
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Speaker 4: a time, I can say at the end of 2026,
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Speaker 4: where people have a little bit of a fatigue, influencer fatigue.
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Speaker 4: Do we really want to see all the great things
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Speaker 4: that you get just because like you're willing to show
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Speaker 4: your insane life on social media? Like I think people
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Speaker 4: are kind of like getting over it. So I think
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Speaker 4: it's the, we're sort of hitting the wall in respect
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Speaker 4: to that interest in that topic. And on top of like,
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Speaker 4: it's not the show's no longer what was really interesting
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Speaker 4: in the first place. And they're all kind of getting older.
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Speaker 4: And I mean, listen, older, normal people are going to
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Speaker 4: go older. The show just like filmed the last two
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Speaker 4: years in reality TV, people grow the, their life experiences
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Speaker 4: are like four times as fast as what goes through our,
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Speaker 4: you know, mundane lives. So the show is no longer
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Speaker 4: about like these, you know, somewhat, um, say pure, but
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Speaker 4: naive young moms. And now it's too much inside baseball.
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Speaker 4: And if it's inside baseball and on top of it,
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Speaker 4: you know, okay, they don't want to film with somebody
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Speaker 4: because this affects not only their, you know, their relationship
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Speaker 4: with their community and their church, but also now with
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Speaker 4: brands that they're working on. Like this is a little
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Speaker 4: too dark and this is not what we want to
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Speaker 4: watch something and feel like we're watching people through their
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Speaker 4: through their front windows of their house. We're like sneaking
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Speaker 4: a peek through somebody's house. This feels like we're watching
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Speaker 4: a bunch of people who have more than they deserve
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Speaker 4: surrounding and supporting somebody who is also a parent of
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Speaker 4: very young children. She's the mother of an eight-year-old, a six-year-old,
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Speaker 4: and a two-year-old. This is not entertaining. It's not entertaining.
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Speaker 4: You see somebody who's about to you know, drive straight
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Speaker 4: into a brick wall. It's just not entertaining anymore. And
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Speaker 4: so the other women are like, I don't want to
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Speaker 4: participate and be collateral damage to this story. And I
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Speaker 4: think that they've all, you know, of course they would
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Speaker 4: sign up in the beginning because of the opportunity. But
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Speaker 4: then after a while, it's like, I wish people knew
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Speaker 4: this part of my life and I'm trying to gain
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Speaker 4: my own power and to have my own identity outside
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Speaker 4: of this. And it's really hard to do that when
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Speaker 4: someone else, like I said, is sucking all of the
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Speaker 4: air out of the room.
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Speaker 1: This is Reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
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Speaker 3: Let's get back into the show.
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Speaker 1: One thing she said, Kate, in her post today, she said,
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Speaker 1: I treated production and crew with respect always. In fact,
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Speaker 1: they are ones who checked on me throughout this. I
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Speaker 1: agree it's to the point of bullying for months now.
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Speaker 1: What makes it harder to take in is some of
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Speaker 1: these parents have made mistakes that would result in the
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Speaker 1: same judgment I'm receiving.
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Speaker 3: Delusion.
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Speaker 4: It's crazy. It's a psychological defense. She's just, you know,
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Speaker 4: assigning blame to other people. But also the crew is
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Speaker 4: showing up because they're employed to do so. She's mistaking.
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Speaker 4: This is the whole of the thing of like when
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Speaker 4: you've been on a show too long and you need
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Speaker 4: to walk away and actually have a real life and
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Speaker 4: heal yourself. The crew is there because they are employees
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Speaker 4: of a corporation that you work under. They are not
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Speaker 4: there because they think you're the greatest person that walked
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Speaker 4: the earth. In fact, they're probably ruining the day they
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Speaker 4: even got this job because you're such a nightmare.
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Speaker 1: When I read that, you and I have both talked
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Speaker 1: about whether it's family, friends, whomever that we know or
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Speaker 1: people we interview who dealt with addiction.
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Speaker 3: I'm not saying she has one. I'm not going to
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Speaker 3: label that.
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Speaker 1: But the assigning of blame to other people.
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Speaker 4: I think she's a fame addiction. One hundred percent.
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Speaker 2: OK. OK. I was thinking more substance. Like I'm not
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Speaker 2: saying she's a substance.
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Speaker 4: Well, she did not. She didn't pass a drug test. So, yeah,
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Speaker 4: I don't know if that you can't really. I don't
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Speaker 4: I don't. Listen, addiction when it comes to substance abuse
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Speaker 4: is really hard unless someone says, like, I do have
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Speaker 4: a problem. Passing the drug test certainly is very worrisome.
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Speaker 4: But I do think she does exhibit signs of having
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Speaker 4: an addiction to fame. And that is a problem because
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Speaker 4: all of these bad choices that she's making, it's like
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Speaker 4: she's doing everything to get engagement, right? And she's being
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Speaker 4: rewarded for it. So it's like a feedback loop. She's
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Speaker 4: addicted to the feedback loop.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was a thing for me because if
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Speaker 1: I know I was put on the spot where I
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Speaker 1: lost the opportunity for the Bachelorette to air... although it
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Speaker 1: was rumored that, well, now that the dust has settled,
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Speaker 1: maybe it can come back.
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Speaker 3: But I do know.
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Speaker 1: In the first episode, I think the first episode that
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Speaker 1: I watched, I do know they revealed like who the
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Speaker 1: winner of the, not the winner, but like she was
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Speaker 1: proposed to, they gave away like all the tea. So
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, well maybe the Bachelorette isn't going
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Speaker 1: to come back, meaning her season. But I felt like, Taylor,
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Speaker 1: you're not learning from your mistake.
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Speaker 3: Listen, you and I both know she got fired. It's obvious.
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Speaker 1: And the letter to me exhibited that. That's not like
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Speaker 1: a woman who quit. That's not like a woman who
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Speaker 1: was forced to fire. And most Housewives, where Bravo says, release.
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Speaker 3: Your own statement. We don't give a shit to release ours.
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Speaker 4: She did it.
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Speaker 3: And she put all the blame on.
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Speaker 4: No, the one part she does say, and I'm sure
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Speaker 4: that there are parts that I'm responsible for. And I
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Speaker 4: was like, oh, she felt like she had to throw
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Speaker 4: that in.
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Speaker 3: I was going to say, it felt like a... Okay,
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Speaker 3: words out of my mouth. It felt like a throw in.
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Speaker 1: It felt like, I'm 98% going to blame everyone else.
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Speaker 1: Let me just grab 2% of ownership. But all of
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Speaker 1: this happened because you failed a court-ordered drug test. And Kay,
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Speaker 1: you tell me if I got this wrong. From my understanding...
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Speaker 1: If a court ordered anything, you're aware that they have
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Speaker 1: the legal right to randomly drug test you.
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Speaker 4: I believe so. And I think also, she's only allowed,
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Speaker 4: I think, four hours per week with the kids. Like,
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Speaker 4: I think four hours with the older two and four
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Speaker 4: hours with the younger one. Because there are two different fathers.
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Speaker 4: And I think that Michaela made mention of something about that. Like,
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Speaker 4: she was angered. She had to walk away from the
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Speaker 4: show because of her, you know, self-preservation. But I think
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Speaker 4: that there was some sort of baiting going on. And
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Speaker 4: her response, Michaela's response was like, listen, I'm dealing with
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Speaker 4: somebody who like has only a few hours a week per,
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Speaker 4: you know, with their children. And then again, Taylor goes, oh, well,
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Speaker 4: I'm being bullied. You're making fun of my situation. It's,
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Speaker 4: it's that flipping, you know, not taking responsibility. But listen,
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Speaker 4: I would be like, I don't want to be on
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Speaker 4: a show with somebody. who does not share my value system.
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Speaker 4: I don't.
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Speaker 1: I think based on the behavior that has been displayed,
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Speaker 1: we were only allowed to see one footage that people
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Speaker 1: are saying that Dakota allegedly leaked himself. But we, we,
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Speaker 1: based on that alone, I think that was enough for
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Speaker 1: me to be like, there's an issue here, you know?
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Speaker 1: And yeah, to know that things were allegedly, Kate, happening
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Speaker 1: before that. And now that we know after that you're
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Speaker 1: failing a drug test, there's a problem there. And you
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Speaker 1: keep saying fame addiction, which as a producer.
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Speaker 3: I would hope mine would take that.
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Speaker 4: Maybe even a sex addiction. There were three men that
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Speaker 4: she was like juggling at one time.
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Speaker 3: I think.
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Speaker 1: I think everything she's doing is to mask whatever pain
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Speaker 1: that she's dealing with that she refuses not to talk about.
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Speaker 1: And look, everyone has said this, and I believe it's
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Speaker 1: true being a producer. The biggest addiction is fame.
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Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 3: Why is that, though, Kate?
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Speaker 1: Why is it that people, there's rehab for substance abuse?
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Rehab for fame.
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Speaker 1: Why do you think people don't really take the addiction
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Speaker 1: of fame seriously when you and I both know it
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Speaker 1: does exist?
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Speaker 4: Because we live in a culture where you're rewarded for it.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you could be a very hard worker in
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Speaker 4: your skill set, but the person that has, you know,
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Speaker 4: 1.2 million followers on social media is considered more valuable.
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Speaker 4: That is currency in our current climate. So, of course
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Speaker 4: people and then you know you suddenly strangers are validating
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Speaker 4: you because of you know whatever you post online and
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Speaker 4: remember people like a social media account is a very
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Speaker 4: curated version of someone's life they are just putting out
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Speaker 4: what they want you to see you are not going
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Speaker 4: to see all of the things that go on throughout
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Speaker 4: their day and their relationship with different people. So they're
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Speaker 4: putting out a very small curated version. And then, you know,
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Speaker 4: people are like, Oh my God, you're, you're gorgeous. You're
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Speaker 4: the smartest person. Oh my God. What kind of car
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Speaker 4: do you drive? Oh my God. What kind of lipstick
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Speaker 4: do you use? And then they're putting out videos. They're like,
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Speaker 4: get ready with me. Like everybody's been asking me like
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Speaker 4: what kind of eyeliner I've been using. And I did that.
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Speaker 4: Like this was not the way we grew up. You
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Speaker 4: can imagine like suddenly you go from being like a
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Speaker 4: normal person and then there's strangers that are like, oh
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Speaker 4: my God, I have to know what kind of bag
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Speaker 4: you have and what kind of car you drive and
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Speaker 4: what kind of candle you like to use in your room.
20:54
Speaker 4: And people get real high on the fumes. That's the
20:57
Speaker 4: validation that they didn't get from their boyfriend, their girlfriend,
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Speaker 4: their sister, their mother, their father, their teacher. Suddenly it
21:03
Speaker 4: fills that void. But it's a short-winded thing. we've seen
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Speaker 4: housewives where they're like when they're on the show they're
21:13
Speaker 4: like i am literally a movie star like people stare
21:17
Speaker 4: at me and then there's a real come down when
21:21
Speaker 4: they are kicked off the show or whatever happens and
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Speaker 4: they're like wait actually nobody cares about they never did
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Speaker 4: care about you it's just that you were high in
21:29
Speaker 4: the algorithm for a moment and again we all are
21:33
Speaker 4: looking through social media every single one of us through
21:35
Speaker 4: a curated tunnel right And so we're getting what we're
21:40
Speaker 4: looking for. And so people start to believe that they
21:45
Speaker 4: are so interesting to other people that they are top
21:50
Speaker 4: of mind throughout the rest of the world. Like I
21:53
Speaker 4: see this a lot with reality stars and whatever network,
21:56
Speaker 4: like sometimes even with Bravo in the past where it's like,
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Speaker 4: I'm on the biggest show in the world. It's like, no,
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Speaker 4: you think it is because your algorithm is telling you that.
22:03
Speaker 4: But if you go out in the real world, one
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Speaker 4: out of 12 people know what the hell you're talking about,
22:09
Speaker 4: about like this week's episode and you know, Amsterdam or
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Speaker 4: whatever it is. Like they don't know, but they begin
22:15
Speaker 4: to believe it. And when they begin to believe it,
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Speaker 4: it's like their brain chemistry changes and then they start
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Speaker 4: to treat people differently. And it's like, and this is
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Speaker 4: based on what, like some sort of skillset you just
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Speaker 4: sort of like adopted. I mean, you were, you're on
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Speaker 4: a show. Oh my God. There's someone, there's this one
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Speaker 4: producer who once said to me, Do you have any
22:38
Speaker 4: idea how hard it is for me to explain to
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Speaker 4: people you're on the show because you're you're on the
22:43
Speaker 4: show because you're a disaster. That's why you're on the show.
22:48
Speaker 4: But I mean, they just get some it's the feedback
22:51
Speaker 4: loop is so addictive.
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Speaker 1: It is. It is.
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Speaker 2: It is.
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Speaker 1: So, Kate, question for you. As we sort of like
22:59
Speaker 1: follow this story as it continues. Where does The Secret
23:03
Speaker 1: Lies of Mormon Wives go from here without their star?
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Speaker 4: It's not going to be a popular opinion, but she
23:13
Speaker 4: needs to go off. She can't be on TV for
23:15
Speaker 4: at least another five years. Sorry. You have to get well.
23:18
Speaker 4: You can't be on TV for at least five years,
23:20
Speaker 4: but I think they should just get a whole new cast.
23:25
Speaker 4: I just think you got to start out fresh. I
23:28
Speaker 4: know that's a headache for networks and for producers, but
23:31
Speaker 4: It's just, we see this time and time again that
23:34
Speaker 4: you have somebody who completely fractures the show and then
23:37
Speaker 4: you get rid of one person, but you keep like
23:39
Speaker 4: four or maybe you can keep everybody and try to
23:42
Speaker 4: reinvent the wheel. Like I would just start fresh. It's
23:46
Speaker 4: not going to be hard to find people that have
23:48
Speaker 4: interesting lives. I know this is like crazy thing, crazy thinking,
23:54
Speaker 4: but like, I feel like I meet interesting people a
23:59
Speaker 4: hundred times a day. Like you can find people who
24:01
Speaker 4: want to be on TV who have great lives. Like it's, it's,
24:04
Speaker 4: you can do it. And I think the women that
24:06
Speaker 4: have been in part of the show, you got, you
24:08
Speaker 4: squeezed everything out of the lemon, you know, maybe it's
24:12
Speaker 4: time to move on. And I think that that's the
24:13
Speaker 4: hardest life lesson for somebody who participates in a reality show.
24:18
Speaker 4: Like maybe you had your moment and it was only
24:21
Speaker 4: for like a year or, you know, two seasons and
24:25
Speaker 4: then you move on. but they can't let go of it.
24:27
Speaker 4: They start to believe that like they are an actual
24:30
Speaker 4: television personality.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
24:33
Speaker 4: You know, like the real world, how many of them
24:35
Speaker 4: were like, Oh, I'm going to be a TV host now.
24:37
Speaker 4: Where are any of them now?
24:39
Speaker 1: Yeah.
24:40
Speaker 4: You have to just enjoy your moment in the sun.
24:45
Speaker 4: Kind of like a college football player. Can you imagine
24:47
Speaker 4: like a 32 year old dude coming back to the field?
24:51
Speaker 4: Hey guys, let's like, let's do it again. And everyone's like,
24:54
Speaker 4: you're not in shape anymore. OK, you've got like ACL
24:58
Speaker 4: issues like you got to call it a day.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I agree. I agree. I agree.
25:04
Speaker 1: And this is even lessons for producers like you can't
25:08
Speaker 1: bet the farm or one cast member.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
25:10
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25:13
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25:17
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