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Nicolas Maduro isn’t just a dictator—he’s a fraud. And we have the proof · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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  Speaker 1: Maduro is finished. Debbie de Seuza says, what's happening in
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  Speaker 1: Venezuela right now is unlike anything that she's seen happen
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  Speaker 1: since she left that country of her birth.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't even born in Venezuela. This man is Colombian,
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  Speaker 2: He's from Colombia. I didn't know that he demolished that country.
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  Speaker 2: I mean he actually he fractured it. He cost so
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  Speaker 2: much division. He took down statues of the Venezuelan founders
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  Speaker 2: that had any European blood.
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  Speaker 1: But when I saw what happened in Venezuela over the weekend,
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  Speaker 1: you were one of the first people I texted and
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  Speaker 1: I said, all right, talk to me, what's going on here?
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  Speaker 1: Because I immediately felt, yes, blow the boats out of
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  Speaker 1: the water, Yes, blow up the ports where the drugs
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  Speaker 1: are being loaded. But do we want to take a
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  Speaker 1: military some sort of military action in Venezuela. Once we
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  Speaker 1: found out how smoothly it went and how smart it was,
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  Speaker 1: I'm on board. But what were your initial thoughts when
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  Speaker 1: you saw your homeland, the country where you're from, under
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  Speaker 1: attacked by the United States and Maduro and his wife
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  Speaker 1: were in custody.
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  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I want to say that Trump
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  Speaker 2: is my hero. Let me get that out first and foremost.
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  Speaker 2: I literally have been wanting this man out of Venezuela
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  Speaker 2: for a very long over a decade. When he when
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  Speaker 2: he decided to take the reins after Uachav has died.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he wasn't even supposed to be president, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Set aside the fact that since two thousand and four
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  Speaker 2: Venezuela has used fraudulent machines to switch the votes. Set
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  Speaker 2: that aside. He wasn't even born in Venezuela. This man
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  Speaker 2: is Colombian. He's from Colombia.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and so he's not in the constitution of Venezuela,
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  Speaker 2: which of course UGA Chav has changed, you know, to
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  Speaker 2: his enjoyment. You are not supposed to be born anywhere
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  Speaker 2: else but Venezuela. You're supposed to be a Venezuelan citizen
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  Speaker 2: by birth to be president of that country, and and
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  Speaker 2: he was not. So so that that was first and foremost.
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  Speaker 1: Second, Well, Debbie, I gotta let me stop you, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So he becomes the president. Although you feel he's illegitimate,
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  Speaker 1: what you just said makes perfect sense. We have the
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  Speaker 1: same provision in our constitution, you got to be a
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  Speaker 1: natural born citizen. So how did it happen? How is
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  Speaker 1: it that he was the heir apparent to Javez?
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  Speaker 2: Because Ugo Chaves did so many things that were against
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  Speaker 2: the constitution. He stacked the Supreme Court. He he changed
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  Speaker 2: many articles of the Constitution himself along with the Supreme
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  Speaker 2: Court that sanctioned it. He did so many things that
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  Speaker 2: were just so oh, just so antithetical to what to
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  Speaker 2: what Venezuela used to be. And and he he he
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  Speaker 2: demolished that country. I mean he he actually he fractured it.
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  Speaker 2: He coused so much division. He took down status choose
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  Speaker 2: of of the Venezuelan founders that had any European blood.
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  Speaker 2: Uh did that sound familiar?
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  Speaker 1: She does?
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  Speaker 2: Uh. He caused he caused a lot of division, not
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  Speaker 2: just you know, racially, which which was very very purposeful
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  Speaker 2: on his part, right as he wanted to demonize the
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  Speaker 2: white person in Venezuela, but he also caused a rift
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  Speaker 2: between the people that that had wealth and the people
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  Speaker 2: that didn't. The entrepreneurs, the people that had you know,
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  Speaker 2: farms and and uh industry and you know, stores and
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  Speaker 2: all kinds of entrepreneurs in Venezuela were absolutely crushed and
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  Speaker 2: eight million people left Venezuela.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, well, Debbie, you're making a sound again. It is
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  Speaker 1: Debbie de Suzi. You can go check out the latest
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  Speaker 1: movie with debbian Denesh. She's of course a producer with
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  Speaker 1: Desuza Media. Uh The Dragons prophecyfilm dot com. The Dragons
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  Speaker 1: prophecyfilm dot Com. Go and check that out. So let
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  Speaker 1: me ask you because it sounds a lot like what
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  Speaker 1: Obama did. Obama divided us and conquered us. Let's let's
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  Speaker 1: separate the whites from the blacks, from the Hispanics from
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  Speaker 1: the American Indians, Let's separate everybody. Let's separate the poor
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  Speaker 1: from the rich. Everybody hates everybody, Now I can control
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  Speaker 1: them better. Is that what the game was with Chavez?
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  Speaker 2: That is exactly what it was. And he basically what
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  Speaker 2: he did was you know, one of the things that
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  Speaker 2: Trump said is that he's going to get the oil back, right,
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  Speaker 2: He's going to get what was taken from us when
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  Speaker 2: I was born in Venezuela in nineteen sixty six. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: I'm aging myself here, but we're the same age.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you look so much better? We're exactly the
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  Speaker 1: same age. Stop it, I'm actually having.
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  Speaker 2: I'm having a birthday on Saturday, a happy birthday. Whoo.
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  Speaker 1: So when you were when you were born there, you
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  Speaker 1: were telling me that it was a very different country.
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  Speaker 2: It was a very different country. And let me tell you,
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  Speaker 2: the American oil companies that were in Venezuela were there
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  Speaker 2: because they were able to refine that oil. Venezuela has
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  Speaker 2: the largest deposit of petroleum in the world. But without refineries,
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  Speaker 2: without being able to refine that oil, it can't do anything.
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  Speaker 2: It's too thick, right, So American oil companies went in
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  Speaker 2: there and they just they established a wonderful oil industry
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  Speaker 2: down there. And not only was Venezuela able to prosper
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  Speaker 2: because of it, but so As America. Gas prices were
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  Speaker 2: really low in those days because they were able to
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  Speaker 2: do that. And when Uga Chavas took off his he
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  Speaker 2: nationalized the oil industry in Venezuela and he kicked out
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  Speaker 2: all of the oil companies that were in Venezuela. And
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  Speaker 2: so what happened was they weren't able to refine their
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  Speaker 2: oil anymore. So they had to get Iran to help them.
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  Speaker 2: So Iran, Russia, China, they all came in and wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: you know it, Their interests, of course, were not h
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  Speaker 2: not very Let's let's just say they were a little nefarious. Yeah, So,
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  Speaker 2: so Venezuela started going downhill really quickly after Chavez took over.
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  Speaker 2: I think this is.
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  Speaker 1: Really important, Debbie. I want you to to stay on
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  Speaker 1: this for a second. It's Debbie Desusa. This is really
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  Speaker 1: really important because this is why this this raid, this attack,
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  Speaker 1: this military operation to get Chavez and his wife now
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  Speaker 1: a Maduro and his wife. This is why it was
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  Speaker 1: so important. It was so important because it is America. First,
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  Speaker 1: they stole those companies, they stole those refineries, they stole
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  Speaker 1: that oil that was being leased by the American companies
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  Speaker 1: and just took it. Javi said it's mine now, and
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  Speaker 1: then they couldn't even operate it. Then they had to
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  Speaker 1: bring in the bad guys from far away who hate
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  Speaker 1: us into this hemisphere to challenge us. So when Trump
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  Speaker 1: says we're gonna get the oil companies involved, I think
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  Speaker 1: his messaging can be better because the people of America go, well,
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  Speaker 1: wait a second, this was about oil. No, this was
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  Speaker 1: about getting back what was rightfully ours already. So I
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  Speaker 1: mean if you don't mind expand upon that, Am I
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  Speaker 1: right that that's what he was doing, and that this
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  Speaker 1: is in fact America.
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  Speaker 2: First absolutely, not only is it like is it a
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  Speaker 2: win win for Venezuela and America, but for the Western hemisphere. Right,
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  Speaker 2: These people were bad players. And I'll get this. Once
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  Speaker 2: the Venezuelan government wasn't able to make a lot of
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  Speaker 2: money off of the oil like they did before, they
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  Speaker 2: had to go into narco trafficking. So that's where the
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  Speaker 2: narco trafficking comes in. That's how that's how Maduda was
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  Speaker 2: able to make his millions, his billions is through drugs.
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  Speaker 2: And so his blah has training camps in Venezuela not
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  Speaker 2: just for a drug trade, but also because they really
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  Speaker 2: wanted to have Venezuela be that landing grant, that that
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  Speaker 2: landing pad for missiles. They were I mean in two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and four, Uga Chavis was actually you know, talking
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  Speaker 2: to Iran because they wanted Iran to go to Venezuela
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  Speaker 2: and and do and make missiles there. And so of
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  Speaker 2: course Venezuela became a huge problem for America because not
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  Speaker 2: only was it was it going to house the Iranian
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  Speaker 2: nuclear program, but it had it had all the drug
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  Speaker 2: trade going through there. Uh. Not only that, but my
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  Speaker 2: Ludo established gangs. Uh did you know that nanda Agua
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  Speaker 2: was actually made by Ua Chavis. He's the one that
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  Speaker 2: created it. So so he you know, So he was
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  Speaker 2: just a really bad guy. I mean Trump is a genius,
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  Speaker 2: a little genius to be able to take him out
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  Speaker 2: like like he did without having boots on the ground,
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  Speaker 2: just going in out, boom done. But I will say
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  Speaker 2: this as happy as I am that my ludo is out.
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  Speaker 2: The person that is VP right now took a hold
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  Speaker 2: of that country. She was sworn in as president about
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  Speaker 2: two days ago, and she is bad news. So Venezuela
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  Speaker 2: is not completely free. They still have a large number
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  Speaker 2: of Chavista's in office right now, including this woman. And
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  Speaker 2: so so it's not it's not one hundred percent like happy.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, well it couldn't happen. It couldn't happen with
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  Speaker 1: a snap of the fingers though, either. So I want
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  Speaker 1: to ask you about this because I think that you
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  Speaker 1: would know what do you do going forward? The election
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  Speaker 1: that happened in twenty twenty four, outside observers came in
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  Speaker 1: and said the other guy won by seventy percent to
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  Speaker 1: thirty over Maduro. I mean, Maduro did not win the
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  Speaker 1: last election. He said, screw you, I'm going to stay
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  Speaker 1: in and he's somehow jockeying with the machines or whatever
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  Speaker 1: it was, and then he showed himself as the winner.
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't the winner. You know that. I know that
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  Speaker 1: the whole world knows that. Shouldn't that person be the
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  Speaker 1: one that gets installed or that gets the opportunity to
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  Speaker 1: be the president because he won the election. This person
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  Speaker 1: is somebody who was the second and Commanderner Maduro. I
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  Speaker 1: kind of get the feeling, DeBie that the Trump administration
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  Speaker 1: is going to say, if you do what we say,
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  Speaker 1: we'll let you have that position and then take it
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  Speaker 1: away from her eventually and let the rightful owner or
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  Speaker 1: have a new election go and take over. So it's
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  Speaker 1: a long question. But what happens now? What would you
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  Speaker 1: like to is somebody who's from Venezuela a proud American now,
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  Speaker 1: but you're from Venezuela. What would you like to see happen?
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  Speaker 1: Doing an election tomorrow, doing an election in a couple
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  Speaker 1: of months. I agree with you, the person who's in
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  Speaker 1: there now should not be the long standing president.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. I think this is strategic on Rubio and
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  Speaker 2: Trump's parts because I think the problem is the fact
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  Speaker 2: that there are just too many Chubvies that's still in office,
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  Speaker 2: and if they bring in Gonzalez, who's the rightful president
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  Speaker 2: of Venezuela, too soon a coup could occur because there
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  Speaker 2: is just that there's not enough opposition, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's whis just not enough of them to be able
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  Speaker 2: to take control of the government. There's still too many Chavistas.
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  Speaker 2: So I think what's going to happen is that Trump
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  Speaker 2: has to make sure that he's able to work with
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  Speaker 2: the people that are there now so that, as you say, slowly,
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  Speaker 2: they can boot them out and bring in the opposition
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  Speaker 2: so that there's no chance of a coup. Ata. I
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  Speaker 2: believe that's what's going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think that you're spot on. It's Debbie de
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  Speaker 1: seuz A go to the Dragons prophecyfilm dot com. She's
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  Speaker 1: of course a producer de suez A Media, Danesha's wife
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  Speaker 1: and from Venezuela. What are the people in Venezuela saying
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  Speaker 1: the last time you and I spoke, you've got people
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  Speaker 1: You've got relatives who are still there. Are they dancing
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  Speaker 1: in the streets? Are we showing it as as live
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  Speaker 1: and real as we should be showing it in the
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  Speaker 1: media here? Are they just over the top happy? Are
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  Speaker 1: there any people in that country who are unhappy about
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  Speaker 1: Maduro being gone?
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  Speaker 2: The only people that are unhappy are the Chavistas. To
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  Speaker 2: be honest, everybody else is super happy. But everyone is
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  Speaker 2: cautiously optimistic, just as I am. They want to make
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  Speaker 2: sure that that democracy really does take take hold in Venezuela,
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  Speaker 2: that the rightful president is president of Venezuela, and that slowly,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Trump can come in and work with the
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  Speaker 2: oil industry, bring in American oil companies to start doing
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  Speaker 2: because let me tell you, if that happens, if we
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  Speaker 2: get oil companies back in Venezuela to help lift and
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  Speaker 2: boost the economy of Venezuela, I guarantee you not only
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  Speaker 2: will Venezuela be great again, but you're going to be
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  Speaker 2: pumping oil here in America. Gas for a dollar fifty
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  Speaker 2: I bet you.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I just I agree.
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  Speaker 2: So it'll be great for everybody, it really will. But yes,
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  Speaker 2: they're cautiously optimistic, and I have to tell you a note,
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  Speaker 2: a sad note. My my aunt, my last living aunt
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  Speaker 2: in Venezuela, passed away two years ago. But I listened
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  Speaker 2: to a voicemail that she left me just Saturday when
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  Speaker 2: all this happened, and basically she loved Trump so much
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  Speaker 2: she said, she said, Debbie, don't you worry? She said
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  Speaker 2: this in Spanish. Don't you worry? Trump is? This is
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  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three. Trump is going to be president
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  Speaker 2: again and he's going to take out Maludo. Can you
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  Speaker 2: believe she said this?
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  Speaker 1: No, that is amazing. That wasn't even that should be
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  Speaker 1: a movie. You and Denestion need to make a movie
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  Speaker 1: just based on that, on that voicemail and then go
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  Speaker 1: through exactly what happened in Venezuela. That's amazing to sorry
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  Speaker 1: that you lost her a couple of years ago. Let
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  Speaker 1: me ask you about what Venezuela was before chav Is,
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  Speaker 1: before the dictators showed up and started taking all the goods.
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  Speaker 1: Was it a democracy? Was it a lot like us.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen videos and pictures. It was a beautiful place
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  Speaker 1: where people seem to be enjoying their lives. Was it
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  Speaker 1: a sort of Western culture representative republic like we are
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  Speaker 1: or not.
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  Speaker 2: It was, It actually was. They have a they had
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  Speaker 2: a two party system just like we do. It's not
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  Speaker 2: it's not a parliament, it's an actual you know, they
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  Speaker 2: have Congress, they have Senate, they have the president, vice president,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the same. Unfortunately, in a lot of Latin
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  Speaker 2: American countries you have what we call a lot of
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  Speaker 2: like payola or corruption, and so I think in Venezuela
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  Speaker 2: things started going south with a lot of corruption with
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  Speaker 2: with the right wing party, and so that is what
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  Speaker 2: kind of stirred up the like, Okay, we need a
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  Speaker 2: new we need a new party because these two parties
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  Speaker 2: just aren't working for us. And so unfortunately, the center
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  Speaker 2: right party self destructed and you know, they started in
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  Speaker 2: fighting and you know the you know, I mean, look
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  Speaker 2: at the Republican Party, right, I don't have to tell
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  Speaker 2: you how it's acting. And this is my fear with
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  Speaker 2: the Republican Party, that we self destruct and we allow
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  Speaker 2: a third party that gangs up with the Democrats and
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  Speaker 2: takes over America. I mean, look what happened in New
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  Speaker 2: York recently. A social communist just became mayor of that city.
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  Speaker 2: So it can happen. It can happen. It happened there
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  Speaker 2: in Venezuela, and in fact, so many Venezuelans, including my grandparents,
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  Speaker 2: had no idea that Ubu Chavis was going to do
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  Speaker 2: this to the country. I mean they really didn't.
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  Speaker 1: They tried to get in right. I mean, he lied,
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  Speaker 1: he said, he basically said he was a man of
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  Speaker 1: the people, and then he started gobbling up businesses and
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  Speaker 1: taking good care of everything. It didn't make any sense.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. He proexpropriated businesses. He went after the Jewish Venezuelans.
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  Speaker 2: He was very antisemitic. In fact, Hitler was one of
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  Speaker 2: his heroes. So it was it was horrible what he
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  Speaker 2: did in Venezuela. I mean it really was. He went after,
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  Speaker 2: he went after businesses. My grandparents lost their land. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this man. People have no idea how bad Maduro Chavis
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  Speaker 2: and then Maludo were of that country. I mean they
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  Speaker 2: became billionaires off of the dollars that really didn't belong
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  Speaker 2: to them. They took it from the people, They took
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  Speaker 2: it from the oil industry, and then later Narco trafficked it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just what happened on Saturday was really
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  Speaker 2: a godsend for all of the Western hemisphere.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with you. It is Debbie de Seuz.
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  Speaker 1: I go to the Dragon's prophecyfilm dot COM's latest film
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  Speaker 1: and go check out everything that she and Denesh do.
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  Speaker 1: Let me ask you about the infighting that you just
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  Speaker 1: mentioned about the Republican Party here. I mean, just a
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  Speaker 1: little while ago, I was watching den Bongino and Matt
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  Speaker 1: Gates goo at each other on X I mean, like
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  Speaker 1: really going at each other. You got Tucker Carlton who
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  Speaker 1: literally put out a video yesterday or the day before
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  Speaker 1: and said this could be about gay marriage. Why we
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  Speaker 1: did this in Venezuela. I don't know if you saw
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  Speaker 1: this video, but it seemed nuxt to me. He said
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  Speaker 1: that what if the United States wanted to take up
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  Speaker 1: Maduro because he's against gay marriage, and now the person
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  Speaker 1: who's the president is gay marriage. Huh. That's something to
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  Speaker 1: think about, Debbie. People are saying the dumbest things, and
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  Speaker 1: they're coming across as very credible, which scares me. So
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  Speaker 1: your fear about a splintering of the right or conservatism
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  Speaker 1: or or the MAGA movement or America First is a
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  Speaker 1: real thing. But as somebody from Venezuela when you hear
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  Speaker 1: some of these dumb things. What do you think?
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  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, addressing Tucker Carlson, Mavudo was practiced Santhariya.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what something he is? Well? I do.
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  Speaker 1: I grew up in South Florida. That's where they sacrifice animals.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, what's devil worship? Okay, he's not a Christian. He's
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  Speaker 2: not a Christian, so that's number one. Number two, he's
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  Speaker 2: not against gay marriage or gaze or whatever whatever Tucker
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  Speaker 2: was saying. He's definitely not. So I don't know where
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Tucker is getting his information. I do know that Tucker
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: has been very soft on the Islamic issue lately, and
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  Speaker 2: of course Iran is super mad about what just happened.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know if this is kind of a coincidence.
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea, but yeah, this is This is
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  Speaker 2: truly disturbing when we have conservatives fighting with each other,
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  Speaker 2: because it really does worry me that the Democrats as
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  Speaker 2: corrupt as they are. I mean, look at Minnesota, right,
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  Speaker 2: it's horrible, but they are actually not self destructing. They're
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  Speaker 2: actually very united. And what worries me is that a
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: lot of people, especially people that are that say they're
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: not political, that they you know, they're oh, they're independent,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: that they fall for a third party candidate and say,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: you know what, I think we need a third party
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: and it just so happens that that third party lines
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: itself up with the Democrats. Would that not be horrific?
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, we would, we would we would become Venezuela
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: two point zero if that happened.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't I don't know what people are gaining
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: on this side of the pot. I don't know what
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: we're We're in a country that won overwhelmingly in twenty
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: four for some reason, when Charlie Kirk was assassinated, which
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: was disgusting, friend of yours, friend of mine. When that happened,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: people started jocking for position on the right, and they're
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: not jocking for position like as a United Front. Hey,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: let's figure out who the de facto leader is going
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: to be. No, it's I'm right and you're wrong. Marjorie
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Taylor Green says, I'm writing your wrong, says Tucker Carlson.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Levin says this. Shapiro says the other thing. You've got
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: all sorts of people lining up, and we're supposed to
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: be at least eighty five to ninety percent aligned, and
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: we're not. And you are so spot on when you
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: say some other third actor is going to show up
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: and say, don't worry about it. I got you all.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Everybody come over with me, and we're going to be good.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: And then this country's going to look like New York City?
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: So what do we do about it? You and Nash
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: keep your voices loud, so do I. We're trying to.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not picking sides. I'll be honest with you. I
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: like Meghan, I used to like Tucker. I'm not sure
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: what they're doing. Mean, Meghan's doing that? I think right,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: she's sort of down the middle. But you're right, there's
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: some sort of Katara is involved. And why are we
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: suddenly okay with the lot is lumification of the country.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: What do we do about it? If anything.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: We keep doing is we keep telling the truth. I mean,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: we keep doing it because you know, otherwise they're going
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: to have an Ugo chav Is take over America. And
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: it's not even unheard of because as I mentioned, look
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: at what happened in New York. People fall for it.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Kids don't understand what socialism is. They really don't get it,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: so you know, if the candidate is cool and charismatic,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: they're going to go. You know, I think I like him.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: I think he's going to be really good for the country,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: having no idea that the love of collectivism is literally
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: a demise to this country. I mean, we were not
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: made to be collectivism people. We are individuals here in America,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: and individualism is supposed to be celebrated, not collectivism. In Venezuela,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: that was one of Uga Chavas great mantrasts collectivism Marxism,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: and it's just so so devastating to a country, it is.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: And Mamdani actually said those words in his acceptance speech,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: and then Jews in New York immediately said, oh, we
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: didn't realize that this guy was this bad. We maybe
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: we shouldn't have voted for him. Hopefully it's going to
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: be it's hopefully it's going to be some sort of
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: a laboratory experiment that they learned from and it never
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: happens again. But I'm with you. I have the same fears.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: It's DeBie de Suza, go follow her everywhere. I think
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: it's what is it, debor sixty six over.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: On x Ah.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, go go find Debi de Suza and go
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: follow her everywhere. Let me ask you about Chavez a Maduro.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: You mentioned something a couple of times. Why were they
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: so stupid to believe that Iran or China or Russia
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: actually were allies? They're not those countries, especially Iran trying
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: to take over the entirety of the Middle East. They
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: would love nothing more than to get closer to the
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: United States and to try to take over the Western Hemisphere.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Once they were done with with Maduro, they would have
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: killed him anyway. He would have been out of the way.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Why were they so dumb to believe that they were
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: an actual player at that table? When that access of
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: evil and I think that's who they are. They don't
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: care who they have to use. It's like the moo
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Ja Hadeen when Osama bin Laden was getting arms from
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: US and fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan. He liked us
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: until he didn't, and then he did all he could
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: to kill us. Why were they dumb enough to believe
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: that they were actually a player at that table?
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Well, they were useful idiots, for one. But have you
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: ever heard of the Red Green Alliance? I mean, it's
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: basically the communists and the Islamists together to destroy the West,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: that's what it is. And the communists always lose because
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: the Islamists actually take over. Yes, so I think this
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: is what basically happened in Venezuela. The Ugo Chavez and
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: then Maluro. They were just useful idiots. They had no
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: idea that the Islamis once they take over, they're done.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: And I think you can you can even see that
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: in the Democratic Party with the Islamis, the same thing
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: is happening. Look at Tim Walls. I mean that's an
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: that's an example of a useful idiot, right, So yeah,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I think that that is that is the problem a
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: lot of these the left wing. And look at the
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: same thing happened in Iran. The communists in Iran actually
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: helped the the the Ayatola, right, and and then then
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: what happened after where there are exactly well.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, is there an Islamification of
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Venezuela happening that we don't know about here in the
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: United States? Are there enclaves of Sharia law and people
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: who are wearing full you know, burkas and headdress and
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: everything else? Is that going? As we're singing it in London.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: We're seeing it all over Europe. We're seeing it here
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: and enclaves in the United States. Is it happening there?
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Not totally. But I will say this, there were a
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: lot of members in Mabudo's cabinet that were from from Iran,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: so he did. He did have members of Iran in
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: his cabinet. I haven't seen too many people, too many
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: women in burkas or anything like that in Venezuela, but
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: that doesn't mean it's not happening. I just haven't seen it.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: But I do know for a fact that there was
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: some Islamis in his cabinet.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: You mentioned this earlier, and I wonder is there still
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: a fear among the people of Venezuela to come out
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: and actually use their full voices and use freedom of speech.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: The last time you and I spoke, you told me
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: about the crews that Maduro had going out there, cutting
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: everybody in line to get food for their own families
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: and their own selves, killing people if they dared try
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: to get food for their family, or overstep or say
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: the wrong thing they were eating their pets. Are people
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: still sort of in a waiting period going I want
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: to say something, but I'm not really sure yet.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. In fact, the Vice President just issued a
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: warning to anyone that helped the American government chase down
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Maruro that they would be in incarcerated. So people are
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: very afraid right now that that that that's going to happen.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: They're actively looking for for dissenters. So it is a
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: it is a real problem right now. This is why
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: it's so important that we do get somebody in there
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: in the government that can that can guard against this.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: It is Debbie de Suz I appreciate the time and
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: the access. Are they are they afraid the Maduro somehow
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: is going to get away, You're going to get away
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: with it in New York and somehow show back up.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Is that? Is that a real fear amongst them? I
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: mean he's been in charge for a long time. He's
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: stealing elections, He's the the strong arm that that keeps
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: them down and kills their families. I mean, they can't
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: just think he's gone right well, they think he.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: They think he may not get out of prison, but
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: they are afraid with all the leftover people in Venezuela
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: that are just as bad as he is. In fact,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: his son is very active in the in the government
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: as well, So I wouldn't I wouldn't discount that from
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: happening unless, of course we go in there and we
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: make sure that it doesn't happen.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Let me finish with this, and I really appreciate you
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: taking the time today. Your knowledge is so incredible on
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: this and other things as well. It's David Etsuza. When
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: you see people like Chuck Schumer who in twenty twenty
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: dare Trump to go and get Maduro, now saying you
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: can't believe you went and got mdua. This is horrible
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: and where nation building, it is blood for oil. And
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: you see people like Chris Murphy who said in nineteen
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: come Trump can't get Mduro, blah blah, and now today
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: he's angry that Trump went and got Mduro. They're claiming
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: that you've got to go through Congress, which of course
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: you don't. There is no constitutional responsibility for the president
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: who's the commander in chief to ask Congress for permission.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: That's just not true. What do you make of these
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: people who are high level Democrats who are at the
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: on the highest mountain completely contradicting themselves from just a
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: few years ago.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. They they hate Trump. They can't
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: they can't bring themselves to say that they like anything
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: that Trump does, So why should this be any different.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: They're gonna say what they're gonna say because they have
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: sus tds right, so they're not going to They're not
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: going to hail him as the hero that he is
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: and that he deserves to be. In fact, my friend
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Maria Coriina Machialdo, who just won the Nobel Peace Prize,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: she wants to give him the Nobel Peace Prize because
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: she is so in awe of what he did, because
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: she says that no one else would have been able
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: to do that, and so she literally wants to give
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: away her prize that she won to Trump.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: That's amazing. It's Debbie Desuza. Debbie, is there any fear
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: that we should take from Cuba saber rattling now or
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Mexico saying that this shouldn't have happened, to the UN
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: claiming that we should not have done this, because again,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: if you see what's happening in Venezuela, obviously this was
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: the right move and as we talked about earlier, it
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: is in fact America first. But is there anything that
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: we should worry about from a Cuba or China and
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Russia and Iran now saying how dare you were going
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: to go and attack the US? Or did this just
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: get them back in line and make them realize, oh, Dan,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: he's back in office. We should we should mess around
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: with this guy.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: I think they're scared of Trump, and I think Cuba
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: is scared of what's coming because Rubio is probably going
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: to have his sights on Cuba next.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Well, the Cubans have been a bad guy, a bad actor,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: ninety miles away from US for a long time. But
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: with Maduro you had the actual warrants for his arrest
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: and his wife's arrest. I think the Cuban leaders should
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: just shut up. I mean, I'll be honest with you.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, we would love to get Cuba back to
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: what it was in nineteen fifty eight or whatever. But
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: he should probably be quiet right now.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: No, yes, he should. I think he definitely should, because
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: again I think that Marco Rubio has him, you know,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: has him next, and so I think he's worried. And
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: I think all of this is just, you know, just
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: kind of trying to pander to the other leftists because
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I do think that they're a little concerned, especially the Malas.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I think the Malas are very concerned because I think
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: they're like, oh yeah, I guess maybe we might be next.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: So and I think they have every right to be
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: concerned because I think that Trump wants to make things
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: right in the world. He loves peace, and if people
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: can't understand that, wow, I think they just need to
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: be re educated on what peace through strength actually means.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: My favorite part of yesterday was Annan Navarro on the
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: View literally having the rest of the View hosts in
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: shock as you talked about how great this was, What
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Trump did? I think. I think that was the cherry
• 29:27
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• 29:30
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• 29:35
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• 29:38
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• 29:41
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• 29:43
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