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217: The Phenomenon of Celebrity · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Hi, my name is Jennifer Lawrence.
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  Speaker 2: And you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 3: The following feature has been rated R by the Motion
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  Speaker 3: Picture Association of America. It is intended for mature audiences
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  Speaker 3: and parental discretion is advised.
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  Speaker 4: It's showtime, folks.
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  Speaker 5: Enjoy the show.
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  Speaker 1: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 6: Don't you have some kind of a line that you
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  Speaker 6: keep open for emergencies or for celebrities?
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  Speaker 7: I'm both.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a celebrity in an emergency.
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  Speaker 8: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian and
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  Speaker 8: I'm going to be getting you back into the conversation
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  Speaker 8: that we started in the last episode. Yes, this is
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  Speaker 8: a continuation from last week's session, so you should have
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  Speaker 8: already listened to the previous episode. If not, go back
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  Speaker 8: and listen to episode 216, not only because it features
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  Speaker 8: the beginning of this week's discussion, but it also features
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  Speaker 8: our interview with Jennifer Lawrence. So, if you haven't heard it, seriously,
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  Speaker 8: go check it out. Other than that, I did want
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  Speaker 8: to mention, did you know that in addition to our
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  Speaker 8: conversations about movies on here, we also feature written reviews
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  Speaker 8: on the Movie Meltdown website? Well, we do, and I've
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  Speaker 8: encouraged the gang here to branch out and write some
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  Speaker 8: reviews when they feel the inspiration. So we'll regularly be
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  Speaker 8: adding reviews on both new and old titles, and they're
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  Speaker 8: going to be titles that we haven't covered on the show.
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  Speaker 8: This just gives us a chance to expand things and
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  Speaker 8: cover more movies. There's a lot of titles out there,
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  Speaker 8: and this way we can add a whole new level
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  Speaker 8: to what Movie Meltdown brings you. So go to moviemeltdown.com,
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  Speaker 8: and it will be right there on the homepage. You'll
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  Speaker 8: see the latest review there, and if you scroll down,
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  Speaker 8: you'll see the previous post. So stop by the website
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  Speaker 8: and see what our crew has to say about some
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  Speaker 8: different movies than what you've heard about on the show.
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  Speaker 8: We're just branching out into new mediums. Also, another reminder
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  Speaker 8: to get ready for our big fundraiser that we'll be
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  Speaker 8: launching in the next couple of weeks. I just got
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  Speaker 8: confirmation today to add some extra gifts to the rewards program,
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  Speaker 8: so there will be a lot of cool stuff coming
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  Speaker 8: to those of you who help support the show. So
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  Speaker 8: just putting it out there, it's coming very soon. And
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  Speaker 8: for a quick geek activity, this week I went to
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  Speaker 8: check out a production at the Alley Theater, which you
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  Speaker 8: will actually be hearing us recording in in just a
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  Speaker 8: few minutes. Now, I'm not normally a theater type of guy,
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  Speaker 8: but when Sterling described what they were doing, well, it
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  Speaker 8: did sound like something that was a little more in
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  Speaker 8: my taste. I saw their Serial to Stage series, where
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  Speaker 8: they recreate live versions of two classic space opera serials.
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  Speaker 8: They did a live recreation of Commander Cody and one
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  Speaker 8: of Flash Gordon, and it was a very fun and
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  Speaker 8: relaxed performance. After a while, you begin to feel less
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  Speaker 8: like you're sitting at a boring play and more like
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  Speaker 8: you're hanging out with your friends who are acting very silly.
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  Speaker 8: But true to form, many of those old serials were
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  Speaker 8: pretty silly as well. So it's a good pairing.
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  Speaker 5: With this, the way that they do it.
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  Speaker 8: And if you're in the area, stop by and check
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  Speaker 8: it out. It was a lot of fun. So with that,
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  Speaker 8: we'll take a break and get on with the episode.
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  Speaker 2: He's saying every one of us.
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  Speaker 3: Flash.
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  Speaker 1: He's a miracle. Flash. Flash.
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  Speaker 3: We'll find out what's going to happen next in today's
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  Speaker 3: story in just a few moments. But right now, I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to show you how easy it is to treat
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  Speaker 3: yourself to a nice hot cup of Ovaltine. Just heat
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  Speaker 3: a cup of milk. Stir in three heaping teaspoons of Ovaltine. One, two, three,
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  Speaker 3: and it's ready to drink. And what a drink, anytime,
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  Speaker 3: but best of all at breakfast, hot Ovaltine. It's good
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  Speaker 3: and good for you because Ovaltine supplies so many of
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  Speaker 3: the important vitamins and minerals children need. So what's the
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  Speaker 3: way to start the day?
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  Speaker 7: Hot Ovaltine, hot Ovaltine, that's the way to start the day.
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  Speaker 3: You'll really go for Ovaltine's sweet, rich, chocolatey flavor. So
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  Speaker 3: ask your mom to start your day the Ovaltine way. Now,
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  Speaker 3: back to today's adventure.
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  Speaker 7: Zombies of the Stratosphere. Out of the air and from
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  Speaker 7: under the sea, these weird zombies from Mars swarm in
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  Speaker 7: to annihilate the Earth.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 4: What are you? I am Marix, a native of the
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  Speaker 4: planet Mars. Perhaps not quite a human being by earthly standards.
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  Speaker 4: The orbit of our planet Mars is so far from
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  Speaker 4: the Sun that climatic and atmospheric conditions there are much
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  Speaker 4: inferior to those on Earth. We can construct an H-bomb which,
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  Speaker 4: when detonated at the correct time and position, will alter
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  Speaker 4: the rotation of a planet enough to change its orbit
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  Speaker 4: to any extent we desire. You propose to move Mars
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  Speaker 4: into the same orbit as the Earth?
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 7: Their diabolical scheme seems sure of success until Larry Martin
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  Speaker 7: is called upon.
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  Speaker 3: And so, Larry Martin, we direct you to use all
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  Speaker 3: means at your command to rid the Earth of these
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  Speaker 3: horrible zombies. We're informed that another of their rockets is
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  Speaker 3: now approaching Earth.
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  Speaker 4: Is there time to intercept it with your rocket? No,
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  Speaker 4: at the rate that ship is traveling, it'll be out
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  Speaker 4: of radar range before we can get off the ground.
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  Speaker 4: Unless it lands.
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  Speaker 1: Then ground defense will handle it, Bob.
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  Speaker 4: Unless Mr. Steele thinks we can help. Yes, Larry, I do.
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  Speaker 6: It's the duty of my department to handle all matters
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  Speaker 6: menacing world security.
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  Speaker 4: And you're one of my executives.
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  Speaker 3: I realize that your work has usually been in the
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  Speaker 3: interplanetary zone.
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  Speaker 5: In this case, I think you ought to take charge,
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  Speaker 5: both on land and in the air.
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  Speaker 3: Very well.
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  Speaker 7: The public brings you Weird Adventure in 12 explosive, suspense-filled episodes.
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  Speaker 7: Zombies of the Stratosphere.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I love the movies.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the biggest movie event of the year. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to have a great night, ladies and gentlemen.
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  Speaker 2: And the Oscar goes to.
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  Speaker 1: Nick Ledger.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 1: Ladies and.
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  Speaker 9: Awards will never be the same.
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  Speaker 8: Bacon tastes good.
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  Speaker 2: Pork chops taste good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 8: As well you should be.
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  Speaker 1: Crap. Told me not to do that. It's like it's.
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  Speaker 8: all I'm saying.
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  Speaker 6: From ancient Genesis to the modern screen, the name written
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  Speaker 6: in blood, Ego. The last of the prehistoric giants sees
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  Speaker 6: his first girl, Noah. Hear Ego talk, the ancient language
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  Speaker 6: of love used at the beginning of time.
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  Speaker 8: Hi, I'm Richard Keel, and you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 9: If I was in a celebrity, would you be so
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  Speaker 9: nice to me?
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  Speaker 1: If I didn't have cheese like every day, would you
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  Speaker 1: still want to be with me? If I couldn't buy
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  Speaker 1: you diamond rings and all those other expensive things, would
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  Speaker 1: you be so into me? If I was in a celebrity...
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  Speaker 1: I've been.
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  Speaker 10: A little thinking about the things that satisfy you.
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  Speaker 8: It's making me wonder about the things.
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  Speaker 10: That you do see in me.
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  Speaker 8: I hate the way you like to say your man's love.
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  Speaker 4: Baby, what's the deal?
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  Speaker 8: I thought you wanted me for me. Say what you mean.
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  Speaker 8: Mean what you say. Pushing me away. Cause I ain't
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  Speaker 8: got no time to play. So I say, listen, listen, listen. Okay,
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  Speaker 8: so we are back with a continuation of The Grind. Again,
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  Speaker 8: this session is more or less about celebrity. Fred initially asked,
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  Speaker 8: why are some people just actors while others seem to
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  Speaker 8: be groomed for stardom? That's the basic idea of the topic. Now,
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  Speaker 8: where we go from there? Well, you'll hear that in
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  Speaker 8: a minute. And to remind you, the cast on hand
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  Speaker 8: is myself, Fred, Lucy... and the recently inducted, or possibly
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  Speaker 8: abducted with our show, the new recruits, both Phillip and Sterling,
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  Speaker 8: are sitting in. So, with that, on with the discussion.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, if we're sticking with the classic actors, I
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  Speaker 8: think it probably.
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  Speaker 5: Come on, let's rag on stars. That's the whole point
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  Speaker 5: of this question.
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  Speaker 11: I used all those big words, but really.
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  Speaker 5: I just wanted to talk smack. All those people who
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  Speaker 5: are foisted on us, and it's like they just won't relent.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I think at this point it's a dividing line
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  Speaker 8: of real... Celebrity versus fake celebrity, because that's equally as,
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  Speaker 8: I mean, that is shoved down your throat more than
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  Speaker 8: anything at this point, because I don't consider any of
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  Speaker 8: those people to be celebrities in my mind. I don't
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  Speaker 8: have a reason to know who a Kardashian is, so
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  Speaker 8: why should I really?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I actually don't know who the Kardashians are.
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  Speaker 8: Anybody that's a reality star, I don't count as a star.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I've heard of them, but I don't know why.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's that classic question in South Park when, like,
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  Speaker 1: the Paris Hilton episode came on, and was it Wendy?
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  Speaker 1: It's Stan's little girlfriend's name or whatever, and she's like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: what does she do? And they're like, oh, well, she's
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  Speaker 1: like this total bitch, blah, blah, blah. She's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but what does she do? Like, what's her thing? Like,
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  Speaker 1: why is she famous? And she's like, oh, well, she's
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  Speaker 1: got all this money. What does she do?
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  Speaker 12: Dude.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he keeps coming back, you know.
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  Speaker 5: At least Donald Trump has a terrible haircut. You can
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  Speaker 5: identify something.
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  Speaker 8: Well, at least he used to have a job.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, he did something at one time that people, you know,
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  Speaker 13: recognized and knew about, and then they gave him a show. Yeah,
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  Speaker 13: it wasn't the other way around. I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 13: give him a show and see if they do anything.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 8: I really couldn't have answered that question for years about
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  Speaker 8: the Kardashians. Like, when everybody started talking, I had not
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  Speaker 8: a clue.
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  Speaker 1: I still don't.
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  Speaker 8: I had to ask Misty what they did. I was like,
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  Speaker 8: why should I know who they are? And sadly, she
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  Speaker 8: researched it and figured it out, because I don't think
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  Speaker 8: she paid attention to them either. But she at least
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  Speaker 8: had to answer the question.
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  Speaker 12: That, what the hell is their thing?
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  Speaker 8: And it turns out their thing is screwing people and
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  Speaker 8: taping it. and marrying somebody already famous. That's really the
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  Speaker 8: only tie-in she has to fame, is family and sex.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, to me, I think that's very different. And
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  Speaker 8: then you also get a totally different level of stardom
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  Speaker 8: for being a legit celebrity, if you want to call
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  Speaker 8: them that, who goes horribly down the wrong path, Lindsay Lohan. So,
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  Speaker 8: I don't know. To me, it's kind of that same
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  Speaker 8: thing as the Gary Busey. She gets way more press
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  Speaker 8: for being crazy and for being... kind of stupid and
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  Speaker 8: certainly making stupid choices than she does for any acting
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  Speaker 8: she's done in the last decade, which is pretty minimal
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  Speaker 8: at this point.
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  Speaker 12: So I don't know.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, that's a very different thing. Do you, do
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  Speaker 8: you break those up into separate categories or is it
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  Speaker 8: all everybody shoved in your face?
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, but I feel the shoving for some reason. I,
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  Speaker 5: my mind wandered and I started thinking of those celebrities
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  Speaker 5: who were on match game. Do you remember those guys?
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  Speaker 5: And they were just celebrities and you never had any
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  Speaker 5: idea what any of them did except for Richard Dawson
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  Speaker 5: because he was on Hogan's Heroes. You knew that. And
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  Speaker 5: then the rest of them, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Known for their substantial bit parts in the latest sitcom.
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  Speaker 8: No, usually they were celebrities because they were on the
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  Speaker 8: Magic Game.
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  Speaker 5: Well, Charles Nelson Reilly, I had to look up because
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  Speaker 5: I'd always known who he was and never knew why.
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  Speaker 5: But apparently he did a lot of Broadway.
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  Speaker 8: Rip Taylor was that for me. I was like, that
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  Speaker 8: guy is entertaining as hell.
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  Speaker 12: Why do I know who he is?
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  Speaker 8: He's just a guy.
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  Speaker 5: And the other thing that was weird about him is
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  Speaker 5: he was in that famous circus fire that everybody died
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  Speaker 5: in and he survived it. Charles Nelson Reilly was in
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  Speaker 5: the big American, what was it, the Hartford fire? When
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  Speaker 5: he was like 13, he was in this giant circus
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  Speaker 5: fire that I think your favorite movie sort of referenced.
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  Speaker 5: What was that? Water for Elephants?
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  Speaker 11: Oh, now you're just baiting me. This is going to
• 17:50
  Speaker 11: turn into a Reese Witherspoon hate fest, isn't it?
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  Speaker 8: That's where this is going. I heard that.
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  Speaker 1: That could work.
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  Speaker 8: I heard that fire was intense. I could not do it.
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  Speaker 5: I wish I was there.
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  Speaker 8: I could not do it. Alright, go on with your
• 18:04
  Speaker 8: hatred towards Reese.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: For hating on Reese Witherspoon?
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: No, I'm not. How was it you described that movie?
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: It was like a couple of hours of Boredom Relieved
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: by Cruelty to Animals.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:18
  Speaker 8: I think it might have been Teenium, but you're right
• 18:20
  Speaker 8: up there.
• 18:20
  Speaker 11: Teenium Relieved by Cruelty to Animals.
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: And I had forgotten that was the movie because I'd
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: never heard of the book or anything when I saw it.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: And I forgot it was the movie that you had
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: warned us all about and I watched it and just bitched.
• 18:35
  Speaker 8: All the way through it.
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: Which, my wife had read the book, and I think
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: she liked the book.
• 18:41
  Speaker 8: The book was really good.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: And I just totally fucked up the movie for her.
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: Because I was just like, oh, right. That makes sense.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: What the fuck is his fiancée going to take the
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: test with him? Why is she there? And then he
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: quit school because after his parents died, who spent all
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: their money putting him through school, he said he didn't
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: see the point. How can you not see the fucking point?
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: Who wrote this?
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: What?
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: So I was just like a raging asshole all through
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: the movie.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad I didn't see that movie.
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: It's hard for Robert Pattinson vehicle to entice me, though.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: See if you can both.
• 19:24
  Speaker 8: Get about it.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: I'll see that.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Lynn really liked the book, but somewhere,
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: if you watch, I think in the crowd scene, you
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: see a young Charles Nelson Reilly.
• 19:34
  Speaker 11: Fleeing from the park.
• 19:36
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 19:37
  Speaker 8: Oh, God. I mean, I guess that is kind of
• 19:41
  Speaker 8: the equivalent of that now. People that are celebrities for
• 19:45
  Speaker 8: being celebrities, there are several of them that would always
• 19:49
  Speaker 8: end up on The Tonight Show, and I'd be like,
• 19:52
  Speaker 8: who the hell is Charlene Tilton? Why do I have
• 19:55
  Speaker 8: to sit here and listen to whatever she's doing this week?
• 19:58
  Speaker 8: There are so many people that would just become regulars
• 20:01
  Speaker 8: in a certain aspect of Hollywood, and you'd be like, well,
• 20:04
  Speaker 8: why the hell?
• 20:05
  Speaker 12: Why do I know who this is?
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: So I guess that's still going on. And now it's
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: just a new, way cheaper way to do it. And
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: now all you have to do is have a webcam
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: and your own YouTube show.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Low self-esteem.
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: Some idiot with a podcast.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, everybody falls into showbiz. Who are these people?
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Where do they come from? What are they doing here?
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: Like, remember Chris O'Donnell?
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: Hmm.
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: Isn't it weird just to remember somebody like that?
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: I would just take a moment.
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: He was like, yeah, everything was like moving. And then
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: what happened? I don't know. He disappeared, didn't he?
• 20:41
  Speaker 8: I would almost say he was gone altogether if he
• 20:43
  Speaker 8: didn't have his new cop show.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: Oh, he has a cop show? That's right.
• 20:46
  Speaker 8: It's N-C-I-S-Y-D-S-U-V or something.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: L.A.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: It's the L.A.
• 20:53
  Speaker 8: One because he's hanging out with LL Cool J. You
• 20:55
  Speaker 8: know that. which we all kind of wish we were
• 20:57
  Speaker 8: hanging out with still exists he's a working actor once
• 21:00
  Speaker 8: again he went for a dry spell but now he's
• 21:03
  Speaker 8: got a cbs paycheck coming at him.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Dry spell by the way was him on he was
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: spending a lot of time on broadway actually that's that's
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: weirdly enough what he's playing i know right like so
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: that's where yeah he vanished into theater as they say
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: for a while and uh he Actually, it was around
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: the same time that Jason Biggs and Alicia Silverstone also
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: dropped out. They all dropped out kind of collectively and
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: went to work in theater.
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, she was in that Batman movie too.
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: I was going to say, two of the three Batman
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: and Robin, just saying.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Jason Biggs was too in a very minor role where
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: he was humping a pie, but they cut it out
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: in the last version.
• 21:40
  Speaker 8: What play was this? Agnes of God, you say?
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: I think that was Streetcar Named Desire.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the uncensored version. Uh-huh.
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: Stella, I got a pie.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Watch this! American Pie Streetcar.
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: But yeah, I mean, there's always actors that sort of
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: seem like they're on the right track, and then it
• 22:02
  Speaker 8: totally derails, so.
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: Remember that period where Julia Roberts was in all those
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: Lifetime movie kinds of things that were all about bad husbands?
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: And then she started making a lot more. And they
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: all had the same color poster. It's like they were
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: making a little franchise of them.
• 22:22
  Speaker 8: And then they gave her an Oscar, and she hasn't
• 22:24
  Speaker 8: looked bad.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:26
  Speaker 8: She doesn't really have to do those anymore, now does she?
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I wonder if we took all the Julia Roberts posters
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: over the years and just sort of lined them up.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: How many facial changes would we be able to identify
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: from poster to poster to poster?
• 22:38
  Speaker 8: You're saying she doesn't move from the neck down? She's
• 22:43
  Speaker 8: the Yogi Bear.
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: Actually, in the Pretty Woman poster, it wasn't her from
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: the neck down.
• 22:50
  Speaker 8: It wasn't her in the movie either.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 22:53
  Speaker 8: They just stuck her head on somebody.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: Just about everything in that performance.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Kind of like with Keira Knightley in the King Arthur poster.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: They totally CG'd her body for that because, yeah, she
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: has a C cup or something like that in the poster.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: That's when she flipped out and she basically said, well,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I guess I can't be in an American movie without
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: at least a C cup. It's like, please alter the
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: posters again. And they were like, sorry, Kira.
• 23:19
  Speaker 8: Welcome to America.
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: That's like when the studio told Margaret Cho that she
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: was too heavy to play herself.
• 23:29
  Speaker 8: On her own show.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: They did.
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: She kept, yeah, she said they used to give her
• 23:33
  Speaker 8: all these notes and it were like, yeah, we'd really
• 23:35
  Speaker 8: like it if you'd lose 10 pounds. Dude, I gotta say,
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: so would I, but.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: You know. That must be the epitome of like existential like,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: despair confrontation like a group of people telling you you're
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: too fat to play yourself we.
• 23:48
  Speaker 8: Will recast you get Alicia Silverstone on the phone right.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Now we just don't think you're really there you know
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: we don't think you have that you-ness that we need.
• 23:58
  Speaker 8: They don't recast the parents they just bring in Alicia mom?
• 24:02
  Speaker 8: I don't know that'd be entertaining actually probably more than
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: the show became there's a reason they wrapped that show
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: up so fast but oh man i don't know where
• 24:16
  Speaker 8: else do we want to go with i think we
• 24:18
  Speaker 8: should observe like five minutes of just silence the chris
• 24:22
  Speaker 8: o'donnell's career.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: Chris o'donnell's career i don't know what there's a lot
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: of like batman related stuff like look at george clooney how.
• 24:33
  Speaker 8: Did he survive that his career went downhill after batman.
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah who who was joking about that I think it
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: was on 30 Rock. The two actors were joking about, like, oh,
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: we need to have our next, like, roles lined up after,
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: you know, when you quit TV, you have to have
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: something like gay, dumb Batman.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they were talking about that with Tracy Morgan's career.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:03
  Speaker 8: That's pretty accurate.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: You forget what that costume looked like.
• 25:10
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you can't fight it.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: You can't forget what George Clooney looked like with rubber nipples.
• 25:15
  Speaker 8: I think what it is, is if you watch Batman,
• 25:18
  Speaker 8: because I remember even at the time watching it going,
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: he really doesn't look like he knows what the hell
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: is going on. Like every scene, he's just kind of.
• 25:25
  Speaker 8: so what, what are we, what are we doing? Like
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: it all sort of circulated. Like Robin's like, come on,
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: let's go. And he's like, all right.
• 25:33
  Speaker 13: But you have to give him credit because he at
• 25:35
  Speaker 13: least admitted that he ruined those movies. He's like, I'm
• 25:38
  Speaker 13: not going to be anymore.
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: It's my fault.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 25:40
  Speaker 8: He did not ruin those movies.
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: Well, no, there's a lot of, there's a.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Lot of, a lot of discussion as to how, what
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Joel Schumacher did to Batman. Yeah.
• 25:49
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: I mean, everyone has pointed the finger at Joel Schumacher,
• 25:52
  Speaker 8: but actually I've even heard like, stories of how much
• 25:55
  Speaker 8: control he didn't have over it. Granted, he definitely took
• 25:58
  Speaker 8: it down the wrong road, but like producers were so overly,
• 26:03
  Speaker 8: like once it got to the point where they had
• 26:04
  Speaker 8: Burton out of the way and they knew they could
• 26:06
  Speaker 8: like throw Schumacher out if they had to. And it
• 26:08
  Speaker 8: was all like, it's bad when Schumacher's calling people out
• 26:12
  Speaker 8: for doing stuff really cheesy, but like they came to
• 26:14
  Speaker 8: him with this list of, all right, here's all these
• 26:16
  Speaker 8: characters that we already have toys for at McDonald's. You
• 26:18
  Speaker 8: better work them into your movie. And he's like, shit.
• 26:22
  Speaker 8: now what am i gonna do yeah no i i.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Don't know i tend to i'm a little bit on
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: joel schumacher's side as far as those movies go because
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: i think that one of the things that i can
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: say though is that we we always had this thing
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: about batman we wanted to be darker and kind of
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: grittier and everything and i think there there is a
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: universe somewhere where joel schumacher's sense of camp would have
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: actually been pretty good for batman and like all and
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: like his sense of like the high art gothic stuff
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: that he threw in there and things like that like
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: it could have worked uh i think if.
• 26:52
  Speaker 8: We stuck with adam west because that was the camp
• 26:56
  Speaker 8: batman we all want really i don't know it's one
• 26:59
  Speaker 8: of those.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Joel schumacher made adam west batman movies that would have
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: been awesome that would have been pretty sweet some days.
• 27:04
  Speaker 8: You just can't get rid of a.
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: Bomb i don't know i didn't like I liked Michael
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: Keaton as.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: A chance for Batman.
• 27:12
  Speaker 8: They hated him at the time, but it's funny looking
• 27:14
  Speaker 8: back now. It's like, out of that run, he's definitely
• 27:16
  Speaker 8: the best Batman.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: There was something about him that seemed kind of crazy. Like,
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: you could kind of buy it. And I didn't like
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: the most recent Batman really at all because, I don't know,
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: Batman has done nothing for eight years and he's a
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: guy who walks with a cane.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: But I.
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: Then I saw, like, the more recent Spider-Man. I was like, yeah,
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: that's what I'm looking for, because aren't these stories really
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: essentially fantasies for young guys? Isn't that what they are?
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: I mean, okay, maybe... I don't know, the new Batman
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: is a fantasy for a drunk Ron Swanson, as far
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: as I can tell. I don't know who it appeals to.
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: But Spider-Man... was like a young guy's fantasy. He does
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: skateboard shit. You know, it makes sense to me. But
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: the Batman has gone off the rails. I don't know
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: what Batman is anymore.
• 28:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I was not thrilled with the new Spider-Man.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I actually have not seen the new Spider-Man. Have you
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: seen the Tobey one?
• 28:26
  Speaker 8: It's kind of like that one only not.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: So good okay well i liked the i like the
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: toby ones okay i think that of course the much
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: much hated third one yeah yeah.
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: Well it's horrible but again that was all studio like
• 28:37
  Speaker 8: that's when you even had the original director still there
• 28:40
  Speaker 8: and his hands were so tied at that point he
• 28:42
  Speaker 8: was like you know what fuck it i'm walking away
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: like i'm leaving my own franchise because they already had
• 28:47
  Speaker 8: him planned to do four and five and he was
• 28:49
  Speaker 8: like i'm out of here this is horrible.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you know the story behind that. I mean,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: with Spider-Man 4 and everything, you'll have talked about it. Like, yeah.
• 28:57
  Speaker 8: Maybe not at great length, so go ahead.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, it's just simply that he basically came to
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: the studio and said, guys, that third movie was terrible. Yeah. Like,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I directed it. It was terrible, and it was y'all's fault.
• 29:09
  Speaker 8: So here's the idea.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I'm going to bake. I directed it, and it was terrible,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: and it was y'all's fault.
• 29:14
  Speaker 8: This sounds like Sam. He probably did.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: And again, I'm paraphrasing here, because obviously they didn't see
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: me there. You were hiding. Yeah, waiting.
• 29:24
  Speaker 8: Gollum-like behind a chair.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Of course, it's always Gollum-like. They hear me when I
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: talk to myself. But breathing heavily. Schmeagol. And he said,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: so here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: take some money, mostly my money that I've put together
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: for this film i'm gonna make four i'm gonna make
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: the ending of the trilogy that i want to make
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: and we can just go go forward with that and
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: the studio said no we can't have you do that
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: like we're we're happy with three as it is it's
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: fine uh we don't want you making another movie to
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: to mess up and so he said well Either you
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: let me do it or I'm walking away. Uh, and
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: they said no. And he walked, he walked away from
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: the franchise.
• 30:06
  Speaker 8: I'd heard that. Cause that's when like a week later
• 30:08
  Speaker 8: they were like reboot.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Yep. We're starting over. That's why they, that's why they
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: decided to reboot it. It was so that they could
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: create a Spider-Man property that they didn't have to pay
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Sam Raimi for. Um, and yeah, I mean, it's pretty,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: it's pretty crazy, but you know, I'm, I'm going to
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: try not to hold that against the movie when I
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: go into see it. Like I said, like, A lot
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: of people, like you and other people, told me that
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: The Amazing Spider-Man is actually quite good.
• 30:31
  Speaker 12: I liked it.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I know I was disappointed with
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: The Dark Knight Rises, but in this era of epic
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: trilogies that we've been in this last decade or so,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: it's hardly a single third movie that I have been
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: happy with. I mean, heck, in the run of most
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: epic trilogies over the last decade, I can say that
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: the best one relative to the trilogy it concluded was
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: maybe Episode III.
• 30:55
  Speaker 8: You know, definitely the best of that run, but exactly.
• 30:59
  Speaker 11: Exactly.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. It's like, it's like, wow, only,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: only movie that wasn't a letdown conclusion. And it had
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: the neural.
• 31:07
  Speaker 8: So, you know, is that including return of the King?
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, actually, Return of the King would be the
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: other one.
• 31:13
  Speaker 8: Because I can't watch the second one again. It's just
• 31:17
  Speaker 8: a nap for three hours. I can't. It's so much walking.
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: What was the joke I heard recently? At one point,
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: Gandalf's hat blows off and they chase it for two movies.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: That is such a great joke.
• 31:29
  Speaker 8: I just watched the fake trailer for it where they
• 31:32
  Speaker 8: were like, it involves walking and strolling and hiking. I
• 31:38
  Speaker 8: was like, yes, that's the entire trilogy. Which is fine for, like,
• 31:42
  Speaker 8: two movies, but that third one in the middle.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Is too much for me. I had some hardcore deja vu, though,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: when I was watching The Hobbit, and it was like, oh, right,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: this is why I forgot about Peter Jackson's movies. They
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: end multiple times. Like, it never stops ending, because I
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: didn't know where in the book they were going to
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: stop the movie. I didn't know, like, okay, what is
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: a good cutoff point for The Hobbit? Like, there really
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: isn't one. And so when I started feeling, because I
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: turn off my phone, so I have no sense of
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: time when I'm trapped in this theater watching a Peter
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Jackson movie. And I was like, that was the biggest
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: mistake I could have ever made. I'm just sitting here.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like watching this movie. And eventually, like, you know,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: they're in the mountain and there's the and there are
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: the goblins all around. I'm like, OK, they're going to
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: end it. OK, here. OK, here.
• 32:33
  Speaker 8: And we're done.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Must have been 15 or 20 minutes later. I was like,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: all right, final oration. Final moment of characters looking longingly
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: into one another's eyes. No, no, it still kept going. So, yeah.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Damn you, Peter Jackson.
• 32:52
  Speaker 8: He... Man, somebody who kind of went off the rails.
• 32:55
  Speaker 8: I mean, he's still visually an amazing director, but he
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: needs somebody to come in and put a leash on
• 33:00
  Speaker 8: him and be like, no, go back to... You used
• 33:03
  Speaker 8: to know how to edit.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: You really did.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Like.
• 33:05
  Speaker 8: Your early movies weren't three hours.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Dead Alive is damn near punchy. It moves with a
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: quickness and grace.
• 33:12
  Speaker 8: His old ones would get in and out, and you're fun,
• 33:15
  Speaker 8: and yeah, I mean, everything since then. I mean, that's
• 33:18
  Speaker 8: the main problem with King Kong is about 45 minutes
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: of it needs to be taken out easily.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: I really wanted to like that movie, too.
• 33:25
  Speaker 8: It's not bad if you edit out all the crap
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: you don't need.
• 33:28
  Speaker 11: Speaking of leashes, back to the celebrity question.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Who?
• 33:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Um.
• 33:35
  Speaker 11: I was just thinking, George Clooney... Sorry, I just feel
• 33:39
  Speaker 11: like I just.
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: You forgot to yell at George Clooney a minute ago.
• 33:43
  Speaker 11: By the way, George Clooney. No, I think that the
• 33:47
  Speaker 11: reason why he got away with Batman was because sort
• 33:50
  Speaker 11: of the publicity machine had so much invested in him. Like,
• 33:53
  Speaker 11: for a while, he really was sort of this golden
• 33:55
  Speaker 11: boy who was just going to sort of maybe sort
• 33:58
  Speaker 11: of save... I mean, every magazine cover was about him.
• 34:02
  Speaker 11: He was selling so many magazines. So when he sort
• 34:04
  Speaker 11: of started taking on these roles, they were like, oh, no,
• 34:06
  Speaker 11: that didn't work. Oh, God, you might not be talented. Oh, wait,
• 34:09
  Speaker 11: what's this you're doing with Michelle.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Pfeiffer in One Fine Day? Like, what is happening?
• 34:13
  Speaker 11: Like, they waited for him to get back on track
• 34:15
  Speaker 11: because he was so sellable and because he had the face.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: And he's so likable. Yeah. Yeah, he really is.
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: I've tried. I've made the effort to hate him.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I can't do it.
• 34:22
  Speaker 8: You can't do it.
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: I like him.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: He has genuine star power.
• 34:25
  Speaker 13: The thing about George Clooney, though, is there's a guy...
• 34:28
  Speaker 13: I mean, yeah, he is a big star, but he
• 34:29
  Speaker 13: definitely paid his dues. I mean, Return of the Killer Tomatoes.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Facts of Life.
• 34:34
  Speaker 12: Roseanne.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Roseanne.
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: Oh, Roseanne.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd forgotten about that. Yeah, they are.
• 34:38
  Speaker 8: I think he forgot about it.
• 34:39
  Speaker 13: And then suddenly he gets on ER.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: And the other ER.
• 34:42
  Speaker 11: There was ER before the ER.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Right, he was on both ERs.
• 34:47
  Speaker 13: And he just exploded. And he's actually good at what
• 34:49
  Speaker 13: he does, though.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Well, I remember that period after Batman is, what was it?
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: After that, he was in Ocean's Eleven. Right? So he
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: had like a franchise not too shortly after that that
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: sort of took off. Salvaged him. But also he went
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: and did a few like sort of quasi-indie-ish films. Like
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: he started doing some quieter stuff too around that time,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: which I think also sort of helped sell him is
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: that he kind of, he took a step back and
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: he started making more pet projects and things like that.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: And that was helpful.
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: Well, I still think, I mean, for the Batman thing,
• 35:22
  Speaker 8: I really think it is because he seemed so not committed. Like,
• 35:25
  Speaker 8: I mean, everybody else in there was just chewing on
• 35:27
  Speaker 8: the scenery and villains almost literally. And he was just
• 35:31
  Speaker 8: kind of like, he's the least memorable character in that
• 35:33
  Speaker 8: whole movie. Like, you kind of forget Batman's in Batman
• 35:36
  Speaker 8: and Robin. So it's like, at that point, he fades
• 35:39
  Speaker 8: into the background with all these other horrible performances that
• 35:43
  Speaker 8: you're just like, oh yeah, George Clooney was in that,
• 35:45
  Speaker 8: wasn't he? Like, you don't even remember that he was Batman.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: He slipped by by being unmemorable.
• 35:50
  Speaker 8: Yeah, really. I mean, he is. And that's kind of
• 35:52
  Speaker 8: why he's not a good Batman. But at the same time,
• 35:55
  Speaker 8: it saved his ass. And I think he really like
• 35:58
  Speaker 8: he kind of did go through that rebuilding phase. And
• 36:00
  Speaker 8: I think it was just when he started getting into
• 36:03
  Speaker 8: directing that people started going, oh, wait, he is serious
• 36:07
  Speaker 8: about this career of his. And that was sort of
• 36:09
  Speaker 8: the turning point where I think he got that like
• 36:11
  Speaker 8: credibility again that people were like, Well, he's willing to
• 36:15
  Speaker 8: not even put himself in this movie, and he's willing
• 36:17
  Speaker 8: to take the side character role in this movie.
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 36:20
  Speaker 8: It gave him a little more credibility in the acting world,
• 36:22
  Speaker 8: it seems like.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Played the dog in South Park.
• 36:25
  Speaker 9: That's true.
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: That's what made South Park.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: No, in Batman and Robin, every time it's his line
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: and the camera cuts to him, I always see this
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: look in his eye like, huh? Oh, it's my line?
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: He's just sort of being signaled by the gaffer or
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: somebody like, go, go, go.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: No joke.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, oh. No, Robin. Sure.
• 36:46
  Speaker 12: Walk away.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Is it lunch yet? Are we done? Can I get
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: out of this? It's very tight.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Definitely.
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: Does anybody know why Michael Keaton quit the franchise? He
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: just walked off, didn't he?
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: No idea.
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: I think he just didn't want to be Batman for
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: the rest of his career.
• 37:03
  Speaker 13: Which his career, and also with Val Kilmer, pretty much
• 37:06
  Speaker 13: dried up after those roles.
• 37:09
  Speaker 8: Val Kilmer had a lot of other issues, I think.
• 37:11
  Speaker 11: True.
• 37:11
  Speaker 8: Michael Keaton is one of those that is a perfect
• 37:13
  Speaker 8: example of that. He was the biggest name in comedies ever.
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: for that whole run and then they gave it batman
• 37:19
  Speaker 8: and people were like what the hell is that and
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: then he left that and he did like he tried
• 37:23
  Speaker 8: to get born to dramatic roles and the thing is
• 37:25
  Speaker 8: he's a good dramatic actor but nobody will give him
• 37:28
  Speaker 8: that shot and like even now when you see him
• 37:31
  Speaker 8: turn up and stuff you're like oh look at that
• 37:33
  Speaker 8: michael keaton's in this and like he can be good
• 37:35
  Speaker 8: in like those weird corgi roles and he can be
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: good and you know pretty dramatic stuff but like he's
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: still like either they still look at him like he's
• 37:43
  Speaker 8: a comedic actor that doesn't belong there Or, yeah, it's Batman,
• 37:47
  Speaker 8: and what the hell is.
• 37:47
  Speaker 9: He doing in this?
• 37:48
  Speaker 12: It's funny, though.
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: There's always the assumption that people just want to keep
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: doing the work.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: True.
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: And maybe sometimes they just don't.
• 37:56
  Speaker 11: Yeah, like Jake from 16 Candles.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: He just wanted to go make furniture. You had that
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: example right there.
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 38:04
  Speaker 11: I mean, my generation of girl, that was always like, wait,
• 38:07
  Speaker 11: why didn't we get another movie with that guy? And
• 38:09
  Speaker 11: then he came back in Mermaids, and then he was like, no, seriously,
• 38:13
  Speaker 11: I'm not that into this. I'm going back to Pennsylvania.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: And who was... Kelly McGillis did the same thing.
• 38:19
  Speaker 12: She's like.
• 38:20
  Speaker 8: She's back now.
• 38:21
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: She took like a 20-year break. She dropped out.
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: Just don't want to do it. And then there was...
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: Remember that band, The New Radicals?
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: There was that kid who sang like Todd Rundgren.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: That guy actually... He went on to become a music producer.
• 38:34
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: He basically did the New Radicals thing as a way
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: of showing off production techniques. That was... basically why you
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: made that and then he was like no i don't
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: want to do this yeah well it was just it
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: was just like okay i made that i'm gonna go
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: producing other musicians which is kind of what i wanted
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: to do in the first place not just wear this
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: hat in public and.
• 38:51
  Speaker 8: He's like recording with a producer because whatever i heard
• 38:54
  Speaker 8: every other musician in that band and they were all
• 38:56
  Speaker 8: pretty well established when he brought him in that's why
• 38:58
  Speaker 8: he brought him in but like they all fought because
• 39:01
  Speaker 8: he's like he had such a weird thing that he
• 39:03
  Speaker 8: wanted to do and he was not willing to move
• 39:06
  Speaker 8: on anything so yeah he For the acting tie-in, I
• 39:09
  Speaker 8: believe one of the band members used to be the
• 39:12
  Speaker 8: little girl on Archie Bunker's place. I heard that and
• 39:15
  Speaker 8: was like, what the hell? I think she paid bass.
• 39:18
  Speaker 12: I don't know.
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: Girls always get stuck playing bass. I don't understand why.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking of Daniel Day-Lewis as an example of a
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: guy who, for a while there, he was telling people
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: something like, no, I'm quitting acting. I'm a bricklayer now.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: I lay bricks. It's what I do.
• 39:35
  Speaker 11: And then he's like, no, no, no.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: No more acting. I'm done with that now. I'm going
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: to be a bricklayer.
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: It's what I do.
• 39:47
  Speaker 8: I'm bagging your groceries now.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: You're a plastic man. And then suddenly they were like, hey,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: do you want to play this guy in There Will
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Be Blood? And he was like, He's like, of course.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: That's the role I've been preparing for. I'm an oil man.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: I'll do it. No, but there are some people that
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: try to take breaks or break away or something like that,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: and they just can't do it. And then there are
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: the people who... Actually, a great example would be the
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: kid from Finding Forrester. The kid who played opposite Sean
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Connery in that movie. He was literally just a casting
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: call kid who showed up and he was just like,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm doing this to pay my phone bill.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: this month. And they were like, really? And he was like, yeah,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: because you're a really great actor. He's like, oh, well,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: that's great. No, I'm just doing this to pay my
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: phone bill or something. And afterwards, he hasn't been in
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: any other movies.
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: He paid his phone bill.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:43
  Speaker 8: Don't need to now. Multiple phone bills, apparently.
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: Who was the poet who quit doing poetry? Was it Rimbaud?
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Rimbaud died. Well, that'll make you stop.
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: The young genius poet who then just like, Like, did
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: trade in Africa for the rest of his life.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: It's like.
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: I can't... I don't know.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: It's weird.
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: It's... It's an odd phenomenon how many people just quit doing...
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: Especially American writers. Like, there are a lot of, like,
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: one big novel guys.
• 41:17
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: The one shot at the great American novel. Yeah.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: And then there are all those artists who turn their
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: back on their good stuff and then decided, no, I
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: want to be a crappy artist from now on.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: I like to believe there was a universe where Thomas
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Kinkade was like a talented, intelligent artist, and then at
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: some point he just had some major life crisis and
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: was like, never mind, all I'm doing is this stuff.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Done with it.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Light is easy.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: De Chirico was one of those guys.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: Great surrealist painter and then he said, no, I just
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: want to be an academic. Fuck all that stuff.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: It's nonsense. God, it sounds awful. Yeah, then Botticelli.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: Botticelli turned his back on all his great stuff.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you get the opposite, though, too. Gauguin.
• 42:09
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Paul Gauguin. Actually, there's a great book by Somerset Maugham
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: called The Moon and Sixpence, which is about Gauguin who, like,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: left his wife and kid when he was a stockbroker
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: yeah it was a stockbroker and he was just like
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: and he's like you know what i'm just gonna leave
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: you guys and they're like what we're gonna do for
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: food he's like and he's like well you're a seamstress
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: you'll get by you'll be fine and he's almost grown
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: like i've done what what i need to do i'm
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: gonna go be a painter and they're like why and
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: he's like well i don't have to answer that to
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: you you're just my wife you know like i'm i'm
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: done with you she's like do you want to get
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: divorced he's like i don't care bye just left yeah
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: yeah it's weird movie tie-in, Rimbaud was played by Leo
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: DiCaprio in the film with... God, I can't remember the
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: English actor's name, but yeah.
• 42:55
  Speaker 8: Star of the Growing Pains.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. No, no, this was when he was young, too.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: He played young Rimbaud and detailed his homosexual relationship with
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Paul Valerie. Anyway, very... I did not know about that
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: movie at all until last year.
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: Wasn't Chris O'Donnell Hemingway... What?
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: You're kidding me.
• 43:18
  Speaker 11: I think we just answered the question what happened to
• 43:20
  Speaker 11: Chris O'Donnell.
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: I think he was Hemingway in some movie.
• 43:24
  Speaker 8: Darring opposite Oscar winner Sandra Bullock.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Whoa, a Hemingway movie with Sandra Bullock and Chris O'Donnell.
• 43:32
  Speaker 8: Figure that out.
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: Once at work this woman came in and when she
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: left I was like, she looks like one of those
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: Hemingway girls. Because she did and I never knew which
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: one was which. The guy there later was like, oh,
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: his daughter. I just thought you had a really vivid imagination.
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: She looked like the way he described.
• 43:53
  Speaker 8: Yeah, she did look like that girl.
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: I did, actually.
• 43:55
  Speaker 11: I was imagining a girl with short hair, and you
• 43:58
  Speaker 11: actually mean one of the Hemingways.
• 44:00
  Speaker 13: I pictured she had an extra finger, and then I
• 44:02
  Speaker 13: realized it's the cat.
• 44:03
  Speaker 8: She just had a beard.
• 44:05
  Speaker 11: It was probably when Margot Hemingway, is this when she
• 44:08
  Speaker 11: came to the Derby?
• 44:10
  Speaker 8: Oh, it might have been her. Maybe it actually was.
• 44:12
  Speaker 11: It could have been her. I was actually, here's a
• 44:15
  Speaker 11: Margot Hemingway story. No one saw this one coming. I
• 44:19
  Speaker 11: was about maybe seven years old, and she came to
• 44:23
  Speaker 11: the Derby, and I remember the women were so mean
• 44:26
  Speaker 11: to her. I remember hearing multiple women on elevators being like,
• 44:30
  Speaker 11: she thinks she's something, but every Kentucky girl is prettier
• 44:34
  Speaker 11: than that one. They were saying horrible things to her.
• 44:36
  Speaker 11: And anyway, she's the tragic one. She's the one that
• 44:39
  Speaker 11: ultimately killed herself. But I remember she came up to
• 44:42
  Speaker 11: me and started talking to me. And for the rest
• 44:44
  Speaker 11: of the day, we spent the day together. And she
• 44:45
  Speaker 11: was placing bets for me, and she was telling me stories.
• 44:48
  Speaker 11: And at the time, I didn't know how strange that was.
• 44:51
  Speaker 11: I was just like, this is a really nice lady.
• 44:53
  Speaker 11: But then when she passed, it was like, wow, that's
• 44:57
  Speaker 11: a lady that found a little girl to spend the
• 44:59
  Speaker 11: day with because she was so ill at ease with
• 45:01
  Speaker 11: everyone else around her.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: That's an amazing story.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: That's really incredible that that happened to you.
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: Who's the one in Manhattan? Which one was the girl?
• 45:12
  Speaker 11: I think that's Mariel.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: Mariel.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I get so confused.
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: She was so good in that.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. That was one of Hemingway's daughters? The young
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: girl in Manhattan? Yeah. Wow. Okay. Yeah, that is the name.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: She was amazing. Yeah, she was. She continued to have
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: an acting career.
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: But not a good one.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Apparently not.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: After you... Make out with Woody Allen when you're 18. 17,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: excuse me.
• 45:38
  Speaker 8: Okay, there's a lot of girls that fall into that category.
• 45:41
  Speaker 8: My question, Lucy, is what were your parents doing? Why
• 45:45
  Speaker 8: were they letting some Hollywood actor stroll up and take
• 45:48
  Speaker 8: off with their child?
• 45:49
  Speaker 11: Maybe I'll spend the rest of today thinking about that.
• 45:51
  Speaker 8: I haven't gotten quite to that.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Suddenly it occurs to me I had no idea where
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: my parents were. They just drove up and left me
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: at the door.
• 45:58
  Speaker 11: I guess they thought I was in good hands.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:01
  Speaker 8: Hollywood actor, you come back to and blow.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I can't imagine this woman as anything but like
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: some eccentric dressed in like, you know, long flowing wrap
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: or something. It's like, don't worry, I will care for
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: your child. Your parents are like, oh, well, her name's Margo, so.
• 46:16
  Speaker 8: Put her in the carrier with the schnauzer. Just carried
• 46:19
  Speaker 8: you around all day. You want to place a bet?
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, here's like Tom Cruise. Okay, he's been
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: good in a lot of things, but you see him.
• 46:30
  Speaker 8: Not consistently.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: That's the thing.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Night and day. That's the thing I don't understand. Literally
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: and figuratively.
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: I think there's this element of fantasy that makes us
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: want to have stars because you have to want to
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: believe in the whole thing because it really doesn't add up.
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: You know, you see like these non-actors, no training, sometimes
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: do just amazing things in movies. So that's possible. But
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: then you've got people who are like stars who have
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: actually never been good.
• 47:02
  Speaker 12: Just never.
• 47:03
  Speaker 8: That's true.
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: Like Steven Seagal has never been good at anything, and
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: he has a career, and he keeps doing it.
• 47:10
  Speaker 8: He's got a huge number of movies.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Gives me hope.
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: So I think there's this element like we want to
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: have stars. We just, that's something, and so we will
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: ignore stars That it doesn't make any sense and that
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: the person is not really good and.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Still buying into the hype.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: Well, I think that's true.
• 47:31
  Speaker 11: I remember reading an article in Psychology Now or Psychology...
• 47:34
  Speaker 11: I remember reading an article at some point and it
• 47:36
  Speaker 11: was talking about sort of the psychological phenomenon of celebrity
• 47:41
  Speaker 11: culture and celebrity worship. And I guess the idea was
• 47:44
  Speaker 11: that as we've evolved... Like back in the day when
• 47:47
  Speaker 11: we were tribes and there wasn't any media and we
• 47:51
  Speaker 11: didn't leave our land.
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: Like when I was growing up in Bowling Green in
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: the 70s.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Like back in Bowling Green.
• 47:56
  Speaker 8: Like you, if you saw.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Greenwood and Mississippi and now.
• 47:59
  Speaker 11: You didn't see faces that you didn't know. So if
• 48:01
  Speaker 11: you saw a face, then that person was part of
• 48:04
  Speaker 11: your tribe. And if it was, so if you see
• 48:07
  Speaker 11: these faces over and over again, you think that there's
• 48:10
  Speaker 11: a part of you that thinks that you know them
• 48:11
  Speaker 11: and that wants to connect to them that thinks that
• 48:13
  Speaker 11: they're part of your social structure.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: So.
• 48:16
  Speaker 11: Think that's how you start caring about them and wanting
• 48:17
  Speaker 11: to see them more.
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: Which is a bizarre phenomenon. Why I'm glad little Charles
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: Nelson Reilly got out of that burning circus tent so
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: he could be a part of my life. Sort of
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: like our Olympic gods. For all those stories about all
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: those gods, somebody had to write them. that's the thing.
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: Somebody had to actually come up with those stories.
• 48:44
  Speaker 8: Weren't they given to us from the gods? Didn't they
• 48:47
  Speaker 8: deliver them unto us?
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Well, isn't it, isn't it also, I mean, there's a,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: there's a thing there too about like, you know, when, uh,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: certain ancient peoples saw, you know, one argument is that
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: ancient people saw natural phenomena and they, they assumed gods
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: were in control of them. And that was an explanation
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: for natural phenomena or something. Um, Well, there's a way
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: in which movies, aren't they these enormous phenomena in our
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: lives now? They're these spectacles, inevitably, even crappy ones. We
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: find them really remarkable. So believing that we know the
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: people behind making them. believing that we understand like what
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Tom Cruise is kind of like doesn't that give us
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: a sense a little bit more of a sense of
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: control or understanding of the thing we just experienced to
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: like we're looking at we're like oh like That's Tom
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Cruise in this movie. Now I understand there was Scientology
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: involved in this film. In other words, it's no longer
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: just this sort of event that occurs to us. Now
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: we can understand it kind of because we can put
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: it in context a little bit.
• 49:46
  Speaker 8: Well, now we're all kind of tied to it. Because
• 49:48
  Speaker 8: you can, I mean, before you could just sit at
• 49:50
  Speaker 8: home and yammer on and you, I hate this movie
• 49:53
  Speaker 8: or it's great because, but now because of the internet,
• 49:56
  Speaker 8: you can be part of the international community that like
• 49:59
  Speaker 8: loves it or bitches about it or what you do.
• 50:02
  Speaker 8: You actually do feel like you're part of the process.
• 50:05
  Speaker 8: Some people a little more than others, but I mean,
• 50:07
  Speaker 8: you really do kind of interact within your group of
• 50:10
  Speaker 8: peers and now your group of peers isn't in your
• 50:12
  Speaker 8: tribe anymore. It's across the world and you really can
• 50:16
  Speaker 8: kind of interact with people and now you kind of
• 50:19
  Speaker 8: can interact with celebrities twitter i mean every once in
• 50:23
  Speaker 8: a while someone will decide to answer your message so
• 50:25
  Speaker 8: i mean you literally because of internet are sort of
• 50:28
  Speaker 8: connected to everybody and even people who are famous or
• 50:32
  Speaker 8: semi-famous or fake famous depending on how we've broken it
• 50:36
  Speaker 8: down here but i mean you i don't know there's
• 50:38
  Speaker 8: just a weird connection that you have to everybody now
• 50:40
  Speaker 8: because the internet has sort of changed all the rules
• 50:43
  Speaker 8: yeah I was also going to say it's, uh, you
• 50:46
  Speaker 8: were talking about the, the, the way that we see
• 50:49
  Speaker 8: it within the tribe thing. I think, especially in this
• 50:52
  Speaker 8: last like hundred, 200 years for America, because, and as
• 50:58
  Speaker 8: once paparazzi came into it, we don't have royalty and
• 51:01
  Speaker 8: we don't have anybody to glamorize and throw this, you know,
• 51:05
  Speaker 8: attention at except Hollywood stars. And that, that has kind of,
• 51:09
  Speaker 8: I mean, you almost need to do that, I guess
• 51:11
  Speaker 8: in some weird way, because people keep doing it no
• 51:13
  Speaker 8: matter where. And like, Back in, you know, how far
• 51:16
  Speaker 8: back you go, it always used to be the royals.
• 51:19
  Speaker 8: And it really, like, when you were a surf out
• 51:21
  Speaker 8: working the land, you would think about how wonderful it
• 51:23
  Speaker 8: was up in the castle. And, like, we got here,
• 51:25
  Speaker 8: and all we had was politics, and we kind of
• 51:28
  Speaker 8: hate politics because it's bullshit. So we were like, well,
• 51:30
  Speaker 8: we don't have anything else. What else are we supposed
• 51:32
  Speaker 8: to be, you know, starstruck by? And what are we
• 51:34
  Speaker 8: supposed to think, you know, this wonderful life that this
• 51:36
  Speaker 8: other person lives that we don't have because our life sucks?
• 51:39
  Speaker 8: But we'd like to think that somewhere out there, and
• 51:41
  Speaker 8: maybe one day we can get to that point. And
• 51:43
  Speaker 8: I don't know. I think we almost... need that as
• 51:46
  Speaker 8: a society you need something to look up to or
• 51:48
  Speaker 8: to strive for to some you know there's some weird
• 51:51
  Speaker 8: need in us that the celebrity of some form or
• 51:54
  Speaker 8: another kind.
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: Of fulfills yeah because it's i think for most of
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: us we feel like we can kind of know people
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: but like knowing all the factors that go into something
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: like in politics you know a lot of people don't
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: have the time to read all the legislation that people
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: are discussing, but they feel like they know the person
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: so they can trust them with it. So it simplifies things.
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: So you talk about a movie that thousands of people
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: worked on or were involved in, and a lot of
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: things happened and a lot of accidental factors, but you
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: just go, oh, I know George Clooney. He'll put it together.
• 52:36
  Speaker 8: He'll make this movie work.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 52:39
  Speaker 8: Well, it is, I mean, back to kind of the
• 52:40
  Speaker 8: original part that you brought up. Like, it does seem
• 52:43
  Speaker 8: like there is a machine at work. A lot of
• 52:46
  Speaker 8: it is the press. But just in general, I think
• 52:49
  Speaker 8: there is something that comes into play that you do
• 52:52
  Speaker 8: have these people that are taken out of nowhere, you know,
• 52:55
  Speaker 8: that may have just turned in one good performance. And then, actually,
• 52:59
  Speaker 8: Jeremy Hunter is in one of those.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: Like, I mean.
• 53:01
  Speaker 8: he was in like movies and nobody cared about him.
• 53:04
  Speaker 8: He gets in this one role and this gets him wrecking.
• 53:07
  Speaker 8: And like I said, he got within that year, he
• 53:10
  Speaker 8: got picked up for three of the biggest franchises that
• 53:13
  Speaker 8: have ever existed. You know, it's like he got thrown
• 53:15
  Speaker 8: into the Bourne's legacy. He got thrown into the Marvel
• 53:19
  Speaker 8: world and they handed him the mission impossible. Those are
• 53:24
  Speaker 8: all huge amounts of money that are behind these things.
• 53:28
  Speaker 8: And they picked this guy and, out of nowhere that
• 53:30
  Speaker 8: somehow somebody saw the workings of the machine and went,
• 53:33
  Speaker 8: this guy, this guy is the one. So, I mean,
• 53:35
  Speaker 8: what is it that him and not like either of
• 53:38
  Speaker 8: those other guys that he hung out with on there,
• 53:40
  Speaker 8: you know, it's like, granted he was more of a lead,
• 53:42
  Speaker 8: but like, why didn't some other random guy in that
• 53:45
  Speaker 8: movie get picked to like be thrust into this machine?
• 53:48
  Speaker 8: And I'm not, again, I'm not, sometimes you can tell
• 53:51
  Speaker 8: sometimes it is just that they're, a little more attractive
• 53:55
  Speaker 8: or that they really are more talented just, you know,
• 53:57
  Speaker 8: as far as acting or whatever. But sometimes it's none
• 54:00
  Speaker 8: of that. Sometimes it really is just sort of like
• 54:02
  Speaker 8: luck of the draw. You get thrown into the right
• 54:04
  Speaker 8: place in the right time and the machine pulls you through.
• 54:07
  Speaker 8: And next thing you know, you got three franchises. So
• 54:09
  Speaker 8: I don't know. I think there is.
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: Something to that. There are a lot of actors who
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: have done some like really amazing work and nothing really
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: came of it. Nobody like picked them up. Or maybe
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: they didn't take the deal.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: They didn't take the pledge.
• 54:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah, whatever the thing.
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: Whatever they got offered, they were like, that's not what
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: I'm looking for.
• 54:35
  Speaker 8: They didn't join up with Scientology.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: That's the big issue we're all dancing around, isn't it?
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: What role does Scientology play in this, damn it?
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: Well, actually, I think it plays a lot.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Isn't it?
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: Like there's that acting studio where everybody is like a
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: Scientologist and they all connect with each other.
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 54:54
  Speaker 11: And some of the biggest casting agents are Scientologists, and
• 54:57
  Speaker 11: we know they cast from within. I remember when I
• 55:00
  Speaker 11: first moved out to Los Angeles, we got a flyer
• 55:02
  Speaker 11: on our door saying that Jason Lee was going to
• 55:05
  Speaker 11: be in Hollywood doing a Q & A. You can
• 55:08
  Speaker 11: just go and hang.
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: Out with him.
• 55:09
  Speaker 11: We were like, that sounds awesome.
• 55:11
  Speaker 8: We just moved to Los Angeles and we love Jason Lee.
• 55:13
  Speaker 8: Let's go do that.
• 55:15
  Speaker 11: And then we looked at it, and the bottom was like,
• 55:16
  Speaker 11: it was at the Scientology Center. And that's how they
• 55:20
  Speaker 11: bring you in.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: That makes sense. Poor Jason Lee.
• 55:23
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that was so weird.
• 55:24
  Speaker 11: It was about how to get into the industry, and
• 55:25
  Speaker 11: there were going to be these casting directors there, and
• 55:27
  Speaker 11: they were going to talk to you about Scientology.
• 55:29
  Speaker 8: I think that is part of the machine more than
• 55:31
  Speaker 8: people want to realize, or more than people, maybe people
• 55:34
  Speaker 8: in the rest of the country don't realize how powerful
• 55:37
  Speaker 8: that system is. But again, in the last, you know, Well,
• 55:41
  Speaker 8: since they made up Scientology. Since he wrote Dianetics on
• 55:46
  Speaker 8: a joke. Which apparently occurred here, by the way.
• 55:50
  Speaker 9: Allegedly.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Story goes.
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: But actually, you know, there's a certain logic to that.
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: Because I think if you want to be an actor in, like,
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: big-budget Hollywood movies, they want to know that you're able
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: to believe in absolute bullshit.
• 56:08
  Speaker 8: Yeah. And commit to it.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute.
• 56:11
  Speaker 9: Wait a minute.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: Are you saying that the Church of Scientology is really
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: just an elaborate deception as a vetting process to see
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: just how well you can BS yourself? Yeah.
• 56:20
  Speaker 11: By the way, just by benefit of this episode, we're
• 56:22
  Speaker 11: now on watch lists, just so.
• 56:24
  Speaker 8: You know that.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right.
• 56:25
  Speaker 8: We didn't say anything about the woman. We're going to
• 56:27
  Speaker 8: have a couple of people are going to.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: Come to your door. You might think that they're Mormons
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: or Jehovah's Witnesses. Do not answer the door. They are,
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: in fact, Scientologists. Speaking of which, by the way, does
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: anyone ever watch The Master? Anyone here ever? I have
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: not seen it.
• 56:43
  Speaker 8: I think you're the only victim.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: There's a Tina from Bob's Burgers right there.
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: Hey, Tina, relax.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Did you like it? Actually, it's a weird film. It
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: was made by the same guy who did Punch Drunk
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Love and Paul Thomas Anderson. Short answer is yes, but... damn,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: that's a weird movie. Like it is a hard movie
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: to say that, like I did not walk out of
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: that movie thinking like, like, wow, I saw a narrative
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: with a beginning and an ending. Like, you know, like
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: not often I say that to myself in any movie,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: but granted, like, you know, that was, what did.
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: You always say?
• 57:24
  Speaker 11: To be honest, I've almost already forgotten it. Um, I, I,
• 57:27
  Speaker 11: I just remember being really underwhelmed by it and, um,
• 57:31
  Speaker 11: finding it sort of tedious and, I didn't think that
• 57:34
  Speaker 11: the story was... There was just nothing interesting or new
• 57:37
  Speaker 11: about it for me. It felt very sort of self-indulgent
• 57:40
  Speaker 11: and elongated.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: I can definitely say that the main character was self-indulged.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: Both of the main characters. Our alcoholic genius who can
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: make booze out of anything and L. Ron Hubbard's pastiche. Yeah,
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: but I don't know. There was something about it, though.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Someone suggested, and I liked this about the movie, that
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: the idea is that, well... It's like L. Ron Hubbard
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: made up this thing, and he really enjoyed telling people
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: about it, but then when other people started demanding consistency
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: and demanding that he really fill them in on those secrets,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: that's when you see the characters start to get kind
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: of nervous and frustrated because you can get the impression
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: almost that, okay, this was fun for me, but now
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: you all expect things of me now, and it's a
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: little frustrating. I didn't do this so that you could
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: all yell at me over it. over the the bits
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: and pieces yeah i know it says one thing in
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: one book and a different thing in a different book
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: well it's a different book okay just back the fuck.
• 58:35
  Speaker 8: Off i was drunk that night more than the last
• 58:38
  Speaker 8: night yeah leave me alone yeah.
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: That reminds me of a conversation just like that my
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: parents had that it's just burned in my brain and
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: it it like can tell you almost everything about my
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: parents in this one little exchange of conversation my dad
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: said that he thought he said i I think if
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: I wanted to confess to a murder and get away
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: with it, I would write it in the local newspaper's bookcase.
• 59:10
  Speaker 12: Reviews.
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: And my mom said, but why would you confess it?
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: What would be the point? And I said, you're right,
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: it's a bad idea.
• 59:21
  Speaker 8: This was like all the conversations they had, right?
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: Do they all end with your dad saying, you're.
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: Right, that's a good point.
• 59:31
  Speaker 13: But that raises so many questions about your dad.
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: He was making a point about the local paper that
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: nobody read the book page and she took it seriously like,
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: what would be the point in confessing it then if
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: you want to get away?
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: I feel like your dad was constantly saying something about like,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: I'm going to kill someone right now. And she'd be like,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: but wouldn't that mean the police would catch you? And
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: he's like, You're right. It's a bad idea.
• 59:58
  Speaker 11: Never mind.
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: Forget the whole thing.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 8: Just makes me think every conversation at your house went
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 8: a little something like that.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 5: It was kind of like that.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Especially your mom's vague disinterest and your dad's like, you know,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: like towards the end just being like, ah, yeah.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 8: Why do I pay?
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: It's a bad idea.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 8: I'm going to go mess with Fred. He's fine.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: One day a bunch of us were talking about what
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: is the quintessential smell of your childhood? And for me,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: it was vodka and typewriter eraser fluid.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Ooh, I like that combination.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and somebody told me, like, somebody said, vodka doesn't
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: have a smell. And I'm like, no, you get enough
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: of it. You get enough of it.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 8: You get a vat of it.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: And, like, a friend of mine, at his house, they
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: had really nice rugs. And that was the first time,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: because I work with rugs now, that I noticed, like, wow,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 5: those are cool. And at my house, we didn't have rugs.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 5: We just had piles.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 8: Of paper everywhere.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: Just typewriter paper on the floor. Yeah, and we had
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: that green carpeting that's in Toy Story.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: That sculpted green carpet. We still have it. Oh, wow.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: We still have that stuff in the hallway. No matter, like,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: we shave it all off, and it just comes back
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: the next day.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 8: We tore it up the next day.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 13: Yeah, it's... sheer carpeting i always thought it was weird
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 13: because both sets of my grandparents had that and i
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 13: was like did you guys go shopping together.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: They just got a really big bolt yeah and then
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: there was that other hamburger carpet that was in the
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: house i bought and i had to pull it out
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: and somebody told me later yeah that was like a
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 5: factory mistake and people bought it like crazy and so
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: they started making it it was just like carpet that
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: looked like hamburger yeah it was like Just red and
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: white and flecked and weird and gray and red and
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: white and red.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 12: Sounds horrible.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 11: I know, right?
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 12: It's hideous.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: Sounds like vomit.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: But people bought it like crazy.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 8: Oh, God.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because we had, when I moved into my house,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: we had every kind of horrific floor covering that has
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: ever been known. And I just, I had to scrape
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: it all up inch by inch.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 8: Do we think we've addressed the question?
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: No, I really don't. There's something about it that you
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: just can't get at.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: Just like that carpet.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 8: It keeps coming back.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: Celebrities.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: Celebrity.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: It keeps coming back. It's like, it's like the historical
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: theory of the great man that, that Tolstoy wrote about
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: before he turned his back on his stuff. Um, It's
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 5: that idea we want to think that history is led
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: by great men who lead history. And he wrote War
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: and Peace to show this clockwork of culture and the
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: spirit of the people. He believed in the spirit of Russia.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: And you could see how the leaders were really just
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: pawns in the game and they only played their limited role.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: But no matter how much you beat that idea to death,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: it just comes back.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: Because it's like, you know, it's like Jason. Bury it.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: Because it's the easiest way to think of things.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: Well, but it's fused, though, with that idea, like the
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: Hegel idea of zeitgeist. You know, we don't just have
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: the idea of, like, great men standing up and changing
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: history now. We also have the idea that, oh, like,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: you know, Kurt Cobain is the voice of his generation,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: you know, or John Lennon is expressing the people or
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: something as though, like, all of us are really just
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: waiting for some artistic guy to come forward or girl
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: or whatever, and then start talking on all of our behalf.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 8: So, you know, like sugar man.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 8: Using a current example.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: But, and I think that, I don't know, that's definitely
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: characterizes music in a lot of ways. People are always
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: still talking about what's the next big thing going to
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: be and, and, and debating whether or not this or
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: that person was the big thing or what happened. Um,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: and I think that actually exists in movies to a
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: degree that people don't recognize either is there's that attitude
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: of like, you know, film stars and everything embodying things
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: that we want to be true about ourselves, not just
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: in the, in the escapist sense, like, Ooh, I wish
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: I had their looks. I wish I had their property.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: I wish I had whatever, but also in the sense
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: of like, man, like that guy is kind of a
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: super normal version of myself or he, he is an
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: expression of me or something like that. There's that, that,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: that projection that occurs from the inside too.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 8: Is that the character or the actor? Cause sometimes it
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 8: ends up being either.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: Well, but isn't that, but wouldn't that factor into the
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: power of the actor though? Like if, if George Clooney
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: can walk on, walk on into a screen and like
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: play a guy and, Oh, George Clooney doesn't work. Let
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: me try to think. Whoever it was that played Gollum,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: I guess, for me. Yeah. If someone can walk in
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: the screen and then, like, do something that you're like, wow,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: that's me. Like, he's showing me. And then, like, you know,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: you're sitting right next to me. He's like, no, no, no.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: It's in this movie where he's showing me, you know.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: And we got this guy who can be both of us,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: you know, who can embody and express the things that
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: we think are unique to our own selves. That's, like, magic.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: The closest thing to magic that I think maybe our
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: belief in psychology will allow.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: It's funny when you started out talking about, like, you know,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: who's the next, it made me think of, like, after Tarantino.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 12: Mm-hmm.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: Then people were going, who's the next Tarantino? Who's the
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: next young, interesting director?
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 8: It was like the next year. The body wasn't cold yet,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 8: and they were like, all right, where's the next one?
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and then following the whole thing about stardom, it's
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: interesting how Tarantino is really the star of Tarantino movies.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 12: Oh, definitely.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Not as an actor.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 5: It's just that's the guy. More than the characters in
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 5: the movie, you identify with the director when you watch it.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: I was going to go see Django, regardless of who
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: was in it.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: I didn't even.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 5: Care and he can have lots of great people in
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: his movies but it's like it's a Tarantino thing.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 8: That one for him it's the writing because he just
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 8: it is you can hear his voice coming through the
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 8: actors like it may be Samuel L. Jackson but I
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 8: know those lines and those lines are Quentin Tarantino and.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: He talks about that it's like you know he has
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: to find somebody who can sell his stuff and Samuel L.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: Jackson is one of those people he can depend on
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: but he I remember he talked about the guy in
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 5: the Hitler movie.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: The Glorious Bastards?
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the German actor he found.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: He's awful.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 5: The guy came in and he could sell his stuff.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 12: He's amazing.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: But the guy who was going to be the next Tarantino,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 5: of course, was the guy who did Boondock Saints. And
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: they decided to make him a king.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 8: He sabotaged his own king.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: Troy uh what was it i have a friend of
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: mine who's an aspiring filmmaker and he likes to say
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: what would troy duffy do fuck this up something do
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: the opposite like it's good enough for troy duffy it's.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 8: Good enough for me christoph waltz is another great example
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 8: i mean look how far into his career he was
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 8: and all it took was an american movie to come
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 8: along and like he is a bankable hollywood name.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: No let's be fair all it took was that moment
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: where he removed the giant pipe from his jacket like
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: like that's that's all i really took in that movie
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: was just he was just another villain until that moment.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 8: Now i mean that's the thing i can only imagine
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 8: all these other movies and all these other directors that
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 8: were using him for years and they were like oh
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 8: sure now he becomes huge it's like yeah that's again
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 8: that was that's the machine like that really is like
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 8: that hollywood machine that like once it sucks you into it,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 8: it's like he, like, he didn't even speak this language.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 8: He didn't bother to turn up in any movies here
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 8: before that. And now, like, he's, you know, he's a
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 8: pretty high-end actor. He's still not doing a ton of work,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 8: but he's turned up in several non-Tarantino movies just in
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 8: the last few years and probably cashed in a pretty
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 8: decent paycheck along the way. So he took himself up
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 8: so many levels on that acting scale just because he
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 8: fell into the right place at the right time. Sadly,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 8: I think that's a lot of the science behind the machine.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 8: Luck and timing.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Michael Cera said he was very aware of, like,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: there was just a certain point in his career when
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 5: he didn't get a choice about whether he had a
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 5: private life anymore or not. And at first, it really
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: upset him, and he was, like, not sure, didn't handle
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: it very well. But because suddenly he couldn't go and
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: do things, like, at some point, he was just known
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 5: And I remember Michael Stipe talked about that. He said
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 5: it was like when R.E.M. did the song Losing My Religion.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: He said before that, wherever he went, he could always
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: pick out his fans. He could look at people and
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 5: they know who we are. But he said after that song,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 5: it's like, Everybody's grandmother knew who they were, and it
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 5: just changed everything. They didn't have a particular base that
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: he could identify. And somebody asked him, do you ever
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: wish you could go back?
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 12: And he said, oh, no.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: No, not at all.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 8: Look at my house now.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: I'm the envy of everyone in Athens, Georgia now.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 8: I have the biggest house in Athens, Georgia. It has
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 8: two bathrooms.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: Sorry, Athens. Oh, man. Michael Serra, speaking of which, moment
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: of excitement for the new Arrested Development stuff coming out soon.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 8: Moment of uncertainty.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: Let's be fair. Let's hope. Cautious optimism. Cautious optimism. We
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: are talking 10 years down the road here.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: Cautionism.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: Cautionism. Yes, that's right, ladies and gentlemen. You heard it.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Here on this podcast, we have invented the word costumism.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: So for all you internet memers out there, it comes
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: back to here.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 5: Did you see the internet meme where if you put
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: Katy Perry's face on Paula Deen. She's still Paula Deen.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 8: Nothing happens.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: That is so disturbing.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it really is.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: Especially since it means that at some point Paula Deen
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: looked like Katy Perry.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 8: That's even more disturbing.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 5: Well, she still does. It just floats inside her larger face.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: It's a smaller face within the larger context.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 8: Paula Deen's encrusted face.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: Paula Deen, who turns up unexpectedly and well in the
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: movie Elizabethtown.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 7: Oh, really?
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she just... She's one of the many actors that
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: you'll recognize that just pop up at Elizabethtown.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 5: It's funny you'd bring up that movie. Because that movie
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: was so much about, like, you know, failing to make
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 5: it big. And then sort of in the end, it's
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: unclear what's going on in the end, but it's definitely
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: like doing something smaller and being happier with it.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a... I know that movie gets a lot
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: of flack, and especially here, for good reason. It was interesting.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: Anytime you make a movie called Elizabeth Town, you don't
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: film it in Elizabeth Town. Come on, dude. Cameron, you're
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: from here. Get over it. It's going to piss people off. Also,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: I'm a little ticked off. It didn't show more at Louisville.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: At the same time, though, The weirdest thing happens whenever
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: I watch that movie, it's like its flaws get smaller
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: and its successes get more pronounced in my brain. Like,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: like I'm more willing to go. Okay. I'm more willing
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: to say okay with the things that doesn't do so
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: well and more enamored of the things that gets right. Like,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: It's a movie about failure.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it is, and it's interesting in a way.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Cameron Crowe, apparently he wrote it for
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: life again.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 5: It almost seems like it chooses not to be a
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 5: more successful kind of movie.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it literally, and you could argue that one of
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: its failings is that it strings together parts of other movies,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: like it has the romantic comedy section, it has the
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: road trip section, it has various, but no, from beginning
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: to end, it's like, It begins with him failing, and
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: there was actually an ending that was cut out about
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: the shoe becoming popular and him suddenly being successful again,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: but Cameron Crowe, I think, wisely cut that out, and
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: instead it's just about this guy failing, and it ends
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: towards the end. He does see the article, which describes
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: him in awful, awful terms, like it says you're a
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: failure and you're not going to be successful, but the
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: film just keeps going with that. It's like, no, we're
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: just going to become okay with this. You failed, you failed,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: you failed.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: You failed.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there are parts of it, I think, that are
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 5: pretty horrible. But I still kind of root for the movie.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: Maybe I should watch it again.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: It's the weirdest thing, I've got to tell you. But, man,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: when they're playing, what is it, that Skinner song, and
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: there's the flaming bird coming down in the middle of
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: the reception, there are moments where I'm just like, damn,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: that's great.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: Because when I saw that, I thought that was hilarious.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: Even though I hate Skinner, maybe that's why I thought
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: it was hilarious, the idea of Skinner destroying a wedding single-handedly.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 5: The wedding scene is like a big set piece.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: It's a funeral wake, whatever.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a funeral wake. Yeah. Maybe that's also funny. Yeah.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 8: That's a Freudian thing right there.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 5: Well, actually, it's like a running joke in my family
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 5: because when my kid was little, he was at my
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: niece's wedding, and he said, how long is this funeral
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: going to last?
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 8: Oh, my God.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: Just everybody.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 8: Mostly the group.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 8: I don't know, 40, 50 years.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, man, that's profound. Kids so profound and existential at
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: such a young age.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 8: That's your job. Well, okay, maybe that's our advice for
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 8: all celebrities out there is just become a total failure.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 8: Learn from the lesson of Elizabeth. become a failure and
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 8: be okay.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 5: With it yeah but he was a spectacular failure yeah
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 5: it's not everybody can do that yeah it's easy to
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: be like a run-of-the-mill fail he was a spectacular.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: Failure billions of dollars of failure.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 8: There's a lot of those in hollywood too yeah.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: Looking forward to it yeah one of these days these
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: days you too gentle listener will perhaps be a billion
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: dollar failure.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 5: Oh um To wind that up, Norm MacDonald, I heard
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 5: him explain that he's lost all his money like three,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 5: maybe four times and just started over.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 8: Which makes me think, Norm MacDonald had money?
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 8: Isn't that weird? Yeah, I suppose. I guess that's why
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 8: he's doing those cheesy commercials.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: I guess they paid him for dirty business or something
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: like that all those years ago.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 8: That was his only check he cashed. He was just
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 8: Saturday Night Live for fun.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 5: Remember our guest Jay Moore? He does such a great
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 5: Norm MacDonald. It's almost better than Norm MacDonald. Because you're
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 5: listening to it and just knowing that it's not Norm
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 5: MacDonald makes it even funnier. Yeah, it's crazy.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: Fabulous.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 8: Well, I guess that will wrap up the grind for
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 8: this week. I don't know that we officially came back
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 8: around and finalized that one, so maybe that just means
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 8: we need to come back and do it again later.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 8: It's good to know we've got this to come back to.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 8: One of those mysteries of the universe we'll never really solve.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 8: We would like topics to come from you, but you
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 8: rarely send them in. If you do, email them to geeksatmoviemeltdown.com
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 8: and we will try to address them in this roundabout fashion.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 8: We'll see how that goes. Otherwise, thank you to Sterling
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 8: for letting us hang out here. Do you want to
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 8: plug the place again? Do you want to hit the website?
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: Come learn more about the Alley Theater, including seeing our
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: upcoming shows at thealleytheater.org. And please feel free to come
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: on down to our shows in Butchertown and Louisville, Kentucky.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: I won't give you our specific address because there are
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: actually about three floating around, but check out The Point.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: That's with an E at the end. And just come
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: on down to the basement. There are multiple entrances and exits,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: all of them fire code safety regulated. So thank you very,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: very much, and hope to see you soon.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 8: Thank you for letting us loiter around the alley, which
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 8: for us seems kind of fitting, actually.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, man, whenever you all want to come back.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 8: Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next week.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 8: Same geek time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 1: A walk and study.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 8: In demonology Hey, so glad.
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  Speaker 10: You could make it Yeah, now you really made it Hey,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 10: so glad you could make it Yeah.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 8: My name is never.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 10: What it is My name's forgotten Hey, somebody could make
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 10: it Yeah, now you really.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: Made it Hey, the.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 10: When I wake up in my makeup, it's too early
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 10: for that dress. We'll take it fading somewhere in Hollywood.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: I'm glad I came here with your.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: Pound of flesh.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 10: No second feeling, cause you're a star now on Cinderella.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 10: So much to die for.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: Hey!
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  Speaker 4: Now you're.
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  Speaker 10: When I wake up in my makeup Have you ever
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  Speaker 10: felt so.
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  Speaker 1: Used up as this?
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  Speaker 10: It's all so sugarless Hooker waitress, model actress Don't just
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  Speaker 10: go nameless Honey taco, she's full of poison She obliterated
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  Speaker 10: everything she kissed Now she's fading somewhere in Hollywood I'm
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  Speaker 10: glad I came here when.
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  Speaker 2: You're down.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so late to every party now. I've been, since
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  Speaker 1: I started my new job here at the theater, I've
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  Speaker 1: been working really long days, so I don't know what's
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  Speaker 1: going on. Where am I living again?
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  Speaker 8: I thought it was here. I just assumed when I came, whenever.
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  Speaker 8: Napping on the floor.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I told you that, right? Oh, just show up whenever.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be there.
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  Speaker 8: I was like, I don't think he's going home.
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  Speaker 1: More or less. I actually do have a mattress over there.
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  Speaker 1: We call it the fight choreography mat.
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  Speaker 8: It's a prop, I swear. I don't sleep here.
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  Speaker 1: Story of my life, yeah. These aren't my things. They're
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  Speaker 1: just props.
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  Speaker 4: They're all props.
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  Speaker 1: Not over there. It's not my closet. It's wardrobe. Wardrobe.
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  Speaker 8: It's all the key phrases you work in.
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  Speaker 1: That's all that's important.
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  Speaker 5: That's not the kitchen. That's craft service.
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  Speaker 12: edited by The Oddity Studios. with opening music performed by
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  Speaker 4: Talk hard!