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Talks to Si Hart & Frazer Gregory about their choice of The Satan Pit (2/2) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  A hamster with a blunt penknife. The Doctor Who commentary
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  podcast. Now, I'm figure.
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  We could talk about. We could just leave and talk
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  about something else or else. We could fucked already know
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  what I was saying. Again, by five start again,
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  three to go. Welcome back to a hamster with a
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  blunt penknife the Doctor Who commentary podcast.
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  We're back to talk about the Satan pit or we could just
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  leave. What do you think, boys?
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  Ha ha, ha! No!
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  Well, when we left it, the Beast was busy.
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  Saying and that's we're gonna find out.
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  Everyone's deepest darkest secret.
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  So, this is just another episode of hamster.
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  Really isn't it? Yeah, I'll bet you two have some
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  very deep, very dark secrets. Oh, you're both gone quiet.
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  Now, for the, for the benefit of the audience listening, we may
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  have the odds. Growl or bark from phrases
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  cute-as-a-button dog. That's in his lap right now and
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  he is a full participant in this episode of had stuff.
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  She I'll let sorry. Sorry I've got the sex role.
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  Well gentlemen, how do we fill this story is progressing to
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  date? It's been good.
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  Like I said, a really interesting character driven,
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  you know, tense atmospheric so far.
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  And my biggest quibble has been resolved that the doctor and
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  Rose been together. Doctrine was been together
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  because very cleverly, the doctor has now been separated
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  from yours and sent down the pit, but certain don't tip it.
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  On his own. Where do we Market the Rowdy?
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  All right, well, I've hardly got strength to pick up to Toby.
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  So thank you for joining us. Thank you very much.
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  Judgment. But when Toby's heads around,
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  anyway, we pop headfirst into the site.
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  Stop it. I gotta stop it.
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  Yes. Well, he's got, he's got a lot
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  more stuff yet so I, you know, it has mmm.
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  So are we ready to head into the say?
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  Yes, it is ready. As I'm ever gonna be.
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  Okay. I was like, how does it go on
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  then? Yeah just for a change gon do
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  much. Sank, quatre trois Deux, uh, go.
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  Okay. You know, we didn't talk about
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  the CGI for the sanctuary base, which I think is actually dated,
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  but actually still looks pretty good.
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  Yeah, it's lots of ways. It's very similar to the Bowie
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  base. One in waters of Mars, isn't it?
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  It's a flat-pack base sort of put together nicely.
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  Well, I think yet those seams are just on screen, just long
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  enough to convince you, and that's fine.
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  That's what you want your CGI to do, and that is kind of how they
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  would do. It though, isn't it?
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  If they evolved into these far-off missions, take a
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  flat-pack base that they would build up, it makes perfect
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  sense. Yeah, I like the fact that, you
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  know, a whole segment of the base went under when the
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  earthquake when you know and thus we have a William Hartnell
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  story where they're cut off from the Tardis.
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  It's we could offer the ship might have.
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  This is a long reprise it, isn't it?
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  So I that is open and I am free. Whoa, It's chilling.
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  Gave Little Wolf plays it as brilliantly as he plays suit
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  explicitly. So just you know I'm not as much
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  opportunity here is he wasn't to take.
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  No, I don't think you quite well.
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  No actually I've become wrong now.
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  I think he does because you don't actually see him at all.
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  So it's all. Voice work, but some of the
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  content that he gets to deliver that we've had at the end of the
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  last episode. So the seam of mr.
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  Jefferson. And then the scene where he's
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  sort of taunting each of the people about their secrets.
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  That's really, really good. If you had a poor vocal
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  performance, delivering those lines.
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  Yeah, you need someone with real gravitas and they've got it and
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  I always talk about the line about mr.
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  Jefferson but actually there's just like one after another is.
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  It was what do they say? Danny, I can't remember this
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  specific lines. That will this coming up in a
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  minute? So we'll have a look.
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  But we have little bit about their backstory that just is
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  there, and the girl who's going to die.
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  Some sort of that's all gathering in it.
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  The first instance of and how many times have they done that
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  since while they're still doing it?
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  Now on them? You will die soon.
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  I shall quite like that in the bank was, you know, we're so she
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  won't. Oh, oh, There was a voice.
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  Don't look around appraiser. We thought you'd vanished.
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  I was on the racers carry on the floor.
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  Yeah, absolutely. On the floor, trying to get the
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  dog so blessed, but hey, I'm here em.
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  So thing I wanted to see about the splitting of the doctor.
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  And Rose is what happens is, we'll get something with David
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  Tennant, which is very Davison and we get the doctor with the
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  older female companion. Yes he works.
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  It really works because the doctor and Ida make a much more
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  compelling and interesting pairing in this story for me
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  than the doctor and Rose do. He's so much partner with her
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  was odd about those scenes, is they are extended dialogue
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  scenes and you don't get a lot of those in the new series
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  because usually we're squashed into 45 minutes.
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  So you get character moments that it If they get a, like, a
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  23 minutes, scene of all talking about religion and faith, in the
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  universe, her personal religion, the religion of Gallifrey, like
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  it's probably intelligent character drama.
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  It is. One of the thing that I really
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  loved was a scene towards the end of Impossible Planet, where
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  the doctor is doing. He's Hall, you know, pop
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  culture, shtick. And is it go?
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  Why did you have to say that? It's Say no, this is the best
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  Christmas ball thuds. Ever going to have in.
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  She just turns it on and says are you quite finished?
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  Ha ha ha. You just she's having none of
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  it. Exactly.
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  It's just so it's just such a much nicer, take that make than
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  than Rose and the doctor simple enough to each other.
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  So I really love all these scenes with Ida.
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  And in the doctor, I love the way, just there, she turns her
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  Communicator off. So she doesn't have to go back
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  because she wants to explore. Or and of course the doctor is
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  going to love that because he would do exactly the same in
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  that situation. So they've got a kind of
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  kindred's lover curiosity We haven't really had a companion
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  like this, have we in the new series I'm an older more for
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  sort of company. They've all been younger or
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  something they hop from Graham. And Dan part from grave, but G,
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  there's like a naivety about grandmas in.
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  And yeah, things are wiseness with him, but he's experiencing
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  everything fresh. Whereas, if you had a character
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  like Ida going around, like she's kind of like Universe,
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  Savvy, isn't she? I think it would be quite nice
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  to have a companion like that. It's a really interesting
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  Dynamic and I do like the fact, what's her name?
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  Claire Rush Brooke. She was on that weakest link
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  special and I love the fact that she was proper.
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  Like, pioneering the show at the foot fetish just is one
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  appearance that she was in. Which is really, really nice.
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  Do you know the line that gets me?
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  Is when? And if I really annoyed me back
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  in the day, I thought I was just such an obvious thing, but now
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  I'm a little more world-weary, is when she says, oh, what what
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  is that? What is the devil in that
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  culture in that religion? She says, oh, the things that
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  men do well since between watching this then and now, I
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  know there are some terrible things that men do, and it's a
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  line that just has As an awful lot of meaning and it means
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  something different to every single member of the audience.
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  I think, is a great line. Yeah.
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  It's got a kind of universe, see ality to it.
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  Then everyone from read some. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Look at that. But yeah, but everyone can read
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  their own thing into it, which makes it makes it something
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  something really, really good. It's a lovely piece of writing
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  Fraser. Joe, I've got a question for you
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  then. Go on.
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  What is it? You like about Rose in this
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  episode. Let's guess you've a positive
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  reading on Earth. Hi.
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  I like that. Rule was becomes the doctor.
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  Yeah, she is. It's a very short horns of name
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  on thing. Where, you know, the doctor is
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  separated from the companion, down the pit.
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  So the companion is the one that has to drive the story forward.
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  So, you know, we've already seen here roses is kind of saved.
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  It will be from being executed by Jefferson and will then see
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  rules completely take charge of the situation now.
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  Got terms like where you cross flame is cooking these little
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  cupboard. You know, she's the one that
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  takes charge, she's the one that starts dishing out jobs for
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  people in. You're going to do this and
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  you're going to do your then she drives them through the air,
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  ducts to get to food sent Roland incapacity lose, that's that all
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  her doing. So it's a brilliant story for As
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  in as much as she gets a lot to do in this episode, the previous
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  episode when she's with the doctor who is when I really
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  don't like it and they have that Dynamic but as soon as they
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  separate them, both of them really become something new and
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  different and much more enjoyable for me as interesting
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  because rose and a timestamp feature much in love and
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  monsters. But then in fear her again, the
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  doctors taking out the action halfway through and she's the
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  doctor in that as well as in, she figuring out the solution.
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  In there with the ax. I think the idea is in this
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  episode and that is that it's giving that scene between Jackie
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  and Rose in Army of Ghosts. When she says, I don't even
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  recognize you anymore. You're getting more and more
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  like him. It gives it a bit of weight
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  because we've seen we've, you know, we've seen her taken on
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  that role. And when she comes back in the
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  stolen Earth, she's basically the doctor isn't she.
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  She's taking charge, you know, she's got a gun.
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  She's not scared of anybody. She's chambliss.
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  You just lie in turn left. Brilliant, I think.
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  Yeah. Here's your red eye dude.
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  Sorry. But can't find your terrifying.
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  Yeah, so terrified, my nephew. So, this is the thing, that's in
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  it. Where we hear the backstory is
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  that right? Yes.
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  Yeah, so so it's about when the Beast was was trapped and the
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  doctor can't accept that it was before time.
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  He can't accept that as a concept, which is really, that's
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  really nice character beat for the doctor because he has things
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  that he believes in and he believes, isn't he?
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  Yeah, exactly. And it's a nice little little
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  moment for him. And David Tennant, plays that
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  really well. And I really like David
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  Tennant's performance in this episode a lot more.
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  Than the previous episode. Because he's very calm and he's
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  very still, and he's very thoughtful.
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  And I like that aspect of his performance a lot.
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  We don't get that an awful lot. We don't get time to get that an
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  awful lot, because usually he's running and doing Exposition and
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  running for his life. And and and and and he's
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  rattling off the lines at 1,000 miles an hour.
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  I love the fact that you know what you just said there.
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  About let him not being able to accept it before time and he
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  actually gives a rationale as to potentially why he keeps
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  traveling. And that is to basically find
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  alternatives to his worldview, you know.
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  And I think that's really, really interesting for them to a
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  motivation for him, continuing to travel Universe to see things
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  that contradict his view of the Universe.
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  I like this scene as well. This goes back to something.
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  We saw in episode add one that we didn't didn't talk about
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  about all the moments where the crew all panic and they're all
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  talking over each other, like you would in a situation of
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  they're not, it's not unnatural istic B, where you're waiting
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  for someone to talk and then you're talking and then you're
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  adding to it, they're all babbling over each other until
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  someone tells them to stop. That's how you know, it's
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  podcast is live, you know, because that's what we do all
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  the time. Exactly just babbling on all
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  over each other. I do think that this, but now,
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  with the doctor, You know, go down but are using its.
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  It doesn't land for me. It feels very much like the
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  trying to give him a parking space moment.
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  Oh, is this the one you talking about sorry?
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  No, no. Actually, that wasn't the arcing
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  space moment. I was going to talk about.
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  I have another arcade space moment to come.
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  Yeah. I think you guys are way Kinder.
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  When Matt Smith gets those moments and he gets just as many
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  moments where he's going, are you?
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  Even being zero Matt? Yeah.
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  He gets just as many moments like this.
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  And yeah, I think you just prefer the style of performers
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  when they asked me, if does it? Yes, I think I prefer the style
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  performance but also prefer Steven Moffat writing I think
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  Steven Moffat can give his coat as better words than Russell.
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  T, Davies gone and we often thought you were insane but
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  never more of those tenants horror as well.
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  Sorry, although do you think he's hard?
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  Matt Smith. Sorry.
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  Oh no, Matt, Matt definitely leave it.
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  I will go with. I'm gonna be all girls hair
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  then. You know, when that cord goes
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  flying down the shaft there, cut them off.
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  That's that's that's basically a narrative.
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  Thread being cut, isn't it, right?
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  You ain't going back up there. You know, you've been thinking
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  about that. One of you.
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  Obviously, do not for a while. Finally, that gets to fucking do
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  something. It's like, yes, he's there with
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  his gum. Now, he's running about it.
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  Oh no. He opens doors.
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  Doesn't he for a bit? He does.
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  Yeah, you push his buttons? Yeah, I think we're good.
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  He's like Jeopardy buttons. We're gonna see some of the
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  sexiest ventilation shafts ever in docto in a bit.
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  Huh, they really well-lit, I think, you know.
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  Yeah. There we go.
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  So, here's Rose taking her doctor moment.
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  Talking to them, giving them the making them, think making them
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  react, making them do something. So, do you wish we'd had a bit
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  more of this in season two that series to?
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  Yeah, I liked it, I liked this part of rows, where she can
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  because she can be inspirational and she can take charge, and
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  she's done that from Rose. And here's my Arkin space
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  moment, because the shuttlecraft has got the power.
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  That's independent, from the rest of the base, but they use
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  yet. And then they all go into a
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  ventilation, shaft just note insects in about just the, you
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  know, Well that's a goodie that's a goodie reference.
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  These feels very classic who this story.
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  This episodes. I think this is a big maybe.
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  This is why I like it so much this and like things like Forest
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  of the dead and silence in the library that feels very classic
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  Who admits he's very popular stories.
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  I think lean into What? You know what we're used to, and
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  what we like, For a moment, I thought you'd said in the forest
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  of the night and I was just going to pull you up on that
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  now, y'all get on Fraser. We can say, yeah, I've got a
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  question for you, two guys. Then is Russell T Davies?
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  A religious man. No not so and he says that in
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  interviews, but he believes in faith in whatever form it takes
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  and that's why in gridlock, he has characters have faith.
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  In. They have their own religion,
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  but it's completely sort of non-secular.
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  It's not religion as you would accept it.
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  So, no, I think he believes in faith.
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  I think it's clear from the end of the world onwards where he
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  says and the use of religion is banned on on the space station,
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  isn't it? So I think he sort of sets is
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  still there. I think he likes the power that
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  faith has to bring you together whether Be faith in in a concept
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  or the doctor, or whatever. But I don't think he has a
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  Christian faith for a religious faith of any kind, but I think
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  he does, if he portrays a character with faith with a
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  religion, he doesn't judge those characters know.
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  So he has that character as you know, as kind of authentic as
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  they can possibly be, but he doesn't have the story judge
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  those characters and I think Think that's how you should
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  write. It does.
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  Like tuna doctor introduces though?
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  Well yes he does, he does. Hmm.
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  In fact, Daniel know I gave a fabulous reading on that, you
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  know, one of these episodes and a very positive one to, which I
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  found quite refreshing because, all right, I found it agonizing
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  when he's off floating with angels and things like that, you
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  know? But yeah.
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  Speaking of Daniel night, he did reply to my tweet asking for
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  opinions on this story. Okay, for work.
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  Excellent segue. So he says, who has to go t.
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  This is one of the scariest Pooh stories, spoke by some
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  nothingness, the scene where the doctor wants to hug Zach.
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  Yeah, but I wouldn't have to the hog.
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  They've attended to count with us.
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  Have we have deer? Ready at humidors worse?
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  Who says? Oh, I like that bit.
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  Dave also says, a really scary story with super music.
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  Great acting performances, and probably the best devil
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  realization I've ever seen coming up.
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  I thought moment with the right and appearing.
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  I bet scared the crap out of people and who doesn't love a
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  nude? Yeah, because we talked to over
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  the bit where Toby that the writing goes from the piece of
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  pottery to Toby's face and it's a very simple It's cool effects.
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  Yeah, effective for it. Yeah, that is the great moment
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  is that where he looks down at his hands and you're expecting
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  it to be on the top of his hands and you have that moment of
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  relief and then he turns his hands over and the scriptures on
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  his hat on on his palms. It's so simple but it's so
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  effective. It's a little jump scare at that
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  moment and even though you know it's coming but it just eats it
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  out, just enough to bring the tension, you must have however,
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  was just sort of a little Lil Bit off in this like from the
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  Star where you have that language that the Tardis can't
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  translate. I think that's a nice novel
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  concept as well. And he has to figure out,
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  doesn't he? When he goes down?
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  He has to figure out the Trap that was set for the devil down.
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  Yeah so the doctor has to be smart.
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  Yeah, yeah. It's lovely.
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  And you know, I think you know why we're going to lose some
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  people along the way here, like that.
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  That's definitely who's it gonna be.
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  It's mr. Jefferson.
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  Sorry spoiler I think that's the moment that, you know, you said
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  earlier that you weren't that Keen on it.
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  But That my my he rescues himself.
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  Yeah, he's redeemed at the ends because he's a man who's very
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  Jobsworth he does his, he's there to do his job, and he will
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  do it to the letter of the rules.
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  Right. Up to the end gentlemen, I have
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  a question for both of you. Can you can you think of any
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  sexier or on par ventilation shafts than these?
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  For example. Oh praise the first.
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  Is this what we've come down? Do sexy ventilation shafts.
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  Yeah, euphemism Fraser, I think. Well, okay, if, if we're going
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  to talk about this, then the Triangular ones in the Arkin
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  space, that Sarah James reverses are pretty damn cool as
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  ventilation shafts. Go about the ones in Genesis of
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  the Daleks that they crawl up a pretty nice as well.
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  They're quite like, these ones. Yeah, the worst ones are the
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  ones in power of Kroll. This is my.com, but this does
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  have a nice like claustrophobia to it, doesn't it?
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  Yes, I wondered if they're reused for the death of the
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  doctor, when you've got the scenes with Clyde and Ronnie and
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  me in in the ventilation ducts. Yeah, they do like that.
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  And it's again, they're thinking realistically about about the
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  location in that you have to create an air pocket for each
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  section before you can go which call creates the suspense
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  because they've got to wait for the doors are open and the odor
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  scuttling along. And yeah it's a reminds me of
• 24:27
  the scenes and Dalek where Rose is running and you're watching
• 24:31
  it on the screen and you're watching the progress and that's
• 24:34
  a really good way of ramping up the tension because you're
• 24:37
  watching it happen and you're there with the characters for
• 24:41
  Are they going to get other going to get that other going to
• 24:43
  make it other going to make it? And it all has the same
• 24:45
  character beat, doesn't it where mr.
• 24:49
  Jefferson says like rose says, oh, I wasn't quick enough.
• 24:53
  Yeah. At the moment hits as well.
• 25:00
  I just I think the moment where he'd have more than one where
• 25:03
  everyone dies in this story I think He is like I think they're
• 25:08
  all great Powers. Yeah, that's it.
• 25:10
  It's you don't every You know, death is it's about meaningful
• 25:16
  is perhaps not the word, but it's felt it's you know, it's
• 25:20
  not just doesn't just happen in the dwell on it.
• 25:23
  You know, we will have Scooby's death where the find a body and
• 25:28
  either, you know, talks about, you know, she's only 20 years
• 25:31
  old and then Jefferson gives that that pool meeting.
• 25:34
  We have Jefferson, you know, who is has that conversation with
• 25:41
  with Zachary in. You know, asks for the are to be
• 25:45
  turned off. So he has bit more control over
• 25:48
  what happens with them, you know, these could have just been
• 25:51
  flash in the pan or the gone move on.
• 25:53
  But the fact that they've spent the time, I also, the spent, the
• 25:58
  time to give us, You a few minutes with each person as the,
• 26:05
  as the dye really adds to the World, building the character
• 26:10
  building, which is the main strength, or one of the main
• 26:13
  strengths of this. But don't you think that again?
• 26:16
  Is it like another one of those moments that would hits an adult
• 26:20
  more than a child because it's a person basically saying, will
• 26:23
  you kill me faster? I don't get that.
• 26:26
  I want to choose to die, like that's stuff.
• 26:29
  I think that's chilling. Yeah, it's Emotional is what it
• 26:37
  is, it's and Danny Webb plays, it really, really well.
• 26:42
  It's, I think that moment nest of Russell to, you know, is that
• 26:46
  he does Infuse, real sentiment, as sometimes over sentiment, I
• 26:50
  know, but real sentiment into his stories and usually there's
• 26:53
  a moment in every single episode that really makes me feel
• 26:56
  something. And as much as I like Chris,
• 26:59
  chibnall Zahra and episodes, those moments, just don't hit me
• 27:04
  in the heart like Dates back in Rusty, Davis's time.
• 27:10
  When it showed up with Jim strong, as well for the
• 27:12
  direction of these scenes because it's not just about
• 27:16
  Scooby and about Jefferson, it's roses reaction, it's, you know,
• 27:21
  Danny's reaction, it's actually, everyone gets a reaction shot,
• 27:26
  don't they everyone? And again, like I said, they're
• 27:30
  all reacting slightly differently because it's not a
• 27:34
  universal thing and that's why these characters feel real
• 27:38
  because they're so well drawn. And so, Oh, well acted, yeah.
• 27:42
  Well, you go straight from that quiet moment into a moment of
• 27:45
  action and Jeopardy again. Yeah, because that's what this
• 27:48
  jewelry does. All the way through I did the
• 27:50
  same with scooty. Didn't a, is she there?
• 27:52
  She's floating away and then suddenly the base is under under
• 27:55
  siege, yeah, pull away from that moment and we've got to react,
• 27:59
  you know, and that all that's that's the chilling moment where
• 28:03
  he puts the fingers to his lips and his eyes turn red, only the
• 28:08
  actor saying that he Love doing this role because he's never
• 28:11
  played anything like this before.
• 28:12
  He got some really menacing you know, I'll put a question about
• 28:18
  feed them, right? Oh, why is it that the
• 28:22
  characters in this based on The Siege story are so memorable.
• 28:27
  And yet, this is subjective. I realized this question to me,
• 28:31
  the characters in The Rebel flesh and the almost people and
• 28:36
  that two parts are in series 9 on the underwater base on
• 28:40
  anywhere near as memorable. Like, I can't remember off those
• 28:43
  characters names, let alone their backstories What makes it
• 28:47
  so effective here? It's probably what we've talked
• 28:52
  about the the rating for one in the direction as well.
• 28:55
  You know, the fact that, you know, we aren't just allowed to
• 28:59
  forget these characters when the go that we are dwelling on them
• 29:03
  that we are spending that time to mark their person.
• 29:08
  It's like when we did remembrance of the Daleks June,
• 29:11
  we talked about what you want and Ratcliffe and Make, you
• 29:17
  know, when they died, we had two shots of their face.
• 29:21
  So that stays with you, that you know, that count as not just
• 29:24
  disposable the actually, where the encoder of the funeral, as
• 29:27
  well. Didn't wait very own.
• 29:28
  Yeah, I thought this was visually very.
• 29:32
  Yeah, just him in the dark. And the way he's in the middle
• 29:39
  of it. So you feel that it's big and he
• 29:41
  seems small, is is really good. We don't see the doctor as a
• 29:46
  small figure very often. And it's interesting because
• 29:51
  that's official I could have pulled off in Classico just
• 29:53
  blah. Yeah.
• 29:54
  Yeah. It's the G Williams with the
• 29:58
  black drapes. It's really awesome.
• 30:03
  That's incredibly just hang in there.
• 30:07
  Yeah, but what like with this again comes down at the
• 30:11
  direction and editing is that we've had a big sequence on the
• 30:14
  base with rules leading the team against it lose.
• 30:19
  That was a long sort of like, was it ten-minute sequence?
• 30:22
  You know, we've completely you know put the doctor and I do to
• 30:26
  one side and now we're coming back to them you know, so we get
• 30:30
  some time without. It's not like, you know, where
• 30:33
  you might cut quite quickly between the two and a half, you
• 30:36
  know, like a couple of minutes. Base couple of minutes in the
• 30:38
  pit so on and so forth. We been given the time that we
• 30:42
  need, you know, to get the tension, built up to get the
• 30:46
  fear to get the drama before we come back down.
• 30:49
  And so, now we get some time with these two to again, build
• 30:52
  up and have this these adult conversations about religion and
• 30:57
  faith and, and all the rest of it.
• 31:00
  It's a moment where I just says, I don't want to die alone as he
• 31:05
  had another might lie, I think, would that would Hit as an adult
• 31:08
  that isn't yeah. It's more cerebral than your
• 31:12
  average new. Who episode isn't it?
• 31:14
  It's I think why it stands up so well.
• 31:20
  Really effective and you do you think, like when you're going
• 31:24
  from other ten minutes of Uris action to Extended dialogue,
• 31:27
  scenes and the pacing would feel off, but I don't think it does,
• 31:32
  but it feels very well judged like that is like Peaks and
• 31:36
  troughs but it all feels Ernst. It feels and you've got a big
• 31:42
  action sequence and then acquired to sequence afterwards
• 31:45
  because the characters are dealing with different things in
• 31:49
  different. Places here and I think that
• 31:52
  that works well to differentiate between it just as quiet moment
• 31:57
  of the doctor having some doubt is really, really great.
• 32:02
  Here we go. This is the bit.
• 32:03
  Isn't it? Where he's talking about from
• 32:05
  Beyond before the universe and he can't believe in that?
• 32:10
  And especially this will fit his rules.
• 32:13
  Yeah. If Doctor Who sort of goes
• 32:14
  around the universe like a bit cocky and I know it all, you
• 32:18
  know. So there you go.
• 32:21
  Jason Thompson. That's the impossible in The
• 32:23
  Impossible Planet. The comes from before time yet
• 32:26
  the fact that surround a black orb it's impossible because it
• 32:30
  comes before time and the other impossible is that David
• 32:34
  Tennant's? Doctor doesn't know it all.
• 32:36
  There we go. it will always still going to pretend in the
• 32:41
  next week's episode that he does, of course, Now, he's great
• 32:47
  and you're right side 10 and didn't get enough.
• 32:51
  Extended quiet moments like this, I think, or they went the
• 32:54
  other way, didn't they in the specials?
• 32:57
  It was all that and none of them grapple grapple.
• 33:00
  Gabbo, gabbo gabbo gabbo the whole time.
• 33:03
  I've gotta say, some of those scenes, the scene between him
• 33:05
  and we'll find end of time. We give them the gun.
• 33:08
  Like, some of those scenes are incredibly active.
• 33:11
  Yes, we'll, we'll find the doctor in the cafe.
• 33:13
  In entertain part. One is, is worth watching that
• 33:16
  entire episode, just for that one scene in some school.
• 33:20
  To ask, I mean, David Tennant was hit immediately, you know,
• 33:24
  he was a massive hit. He was you kind of, you know,
• 33:29
  you had the same sort of energy, is Chris at Boston's doctor,
• 33:33
  bought the same name different, you know, very energetic, but
• 33:36
  different type of energetic, you know, gobble gobble gobble,
• 33:40
  mine's a million amazing, lots of teeth accident in whatnot.
• 33:46
  How how did you find him then? And how did you Find him now.
• 33:51
  Oh yeah, that's a really, that's a big question, isn't it?
• 33:57
  I actually I think series to it is his weakest season and I feel
• 34:03
  there's a massive step up from Runaway Bride onwards.
• 34:07
  There's a lack of maturity in his performance from that second
• 34:10
  series where he knows he's been a here and they're doing
• 34:14
  probably more complex things of his character as well.
• 34:17
  In that first series, I feel that Peter Davison sort of If
• 34:22
  I'm excitable, or if I'm this or if I'm at I'm just going to do
• 34:25
  this squeaky voice. You know.
• 34:26
  And there's a lot of that and it goes from like extreme anger to
• 34:30
  be an extremely calm and it sounds like he's trying
• 34:33
  everything out and seeing what sticks you then you can watch
• 34:36
  him in Smith and Jones and that's a really measured
• 34:39
  performance and Smith and Jones and and you know and then you're
• 34:43
  getting performances. Like human nature.
• 34:45
  You're getting from. This is like midnight what was
• 34:47
  of Mars as some of the best action you've ever seen.
• 34:49
  And the time in Doctor Who He gets better and better as he
• 34:53
  goes along that first series. He's finding his feet so I he's
• 35:00
  good, he's always good, but there's a, but I've, yes.
• 35:07
  The thing is he David? Tennant is always good and
• 35:11
  always works with the material. I don't think his doctor is very
• 35:16
  likable at the time. I thought he was wonderful, but
• 35:20
  going back to him. Him sort of years later he's not
• 35:25
  adopted that I like very much. He's not he's very full of
• 35:29
  himself, he's very sure of himself.
• 35:31
  He's very cocky and it's designed to be a contrast with
• 35:36
  the 9th Doctor Who Wasn't those things but wanted to be those
• 35:40
  things what I think happens with David Tennant is the opposite of
• 35:46
  what happens with Matt Smith, I think David Tennant starts
• 35:49
  failing consistency in assistant Lee and he gets more assured as
• 35:55
  he goes along and then he's delivering powerhouses in his
• 35:57
  last season and a bit. Whereas I think Matt Smith
• 36:01
  starts out incredibly assuredly in series 5 and come 7 there
• 36:07
  right into his successes and the performance suffers as a result
• 36:12
  sigh. Yeah.
• 36:15
  Oh you're absolutely right. I think they have at the even at
• 36:19
  the end, then not necessarily writing to David Tennant
• 36:23
  successes. He brings some of those but
• 36:26
  they're not. It's the 10th doctor is
• 36:30
  consistently written all the way through in a way that maybe the
• 36:34
  11th isn't Greater. Yeah, I kind of agree with you
• 36:41
  as both to certain extent, I think as yeah, you know, at the
• 36:46
  time you know, I was as much of a tenant Farmers as anyone else
• 36:50
  was when this series went out live, you know, totally against
• 36:53
  swept along with the the zaniness in the teeth acting in
• 36:57
  and all the rest of it and, you know, coming back at it.
• 37:01
  Now it is the later performances that are prefer the ones where
• 37:05
  he does have those more Still Moments, you know, that's sort
• 37:08
  of, like, end of gridlock where Martha pulls out.
• 37:11
  The Cheney has to sit and phasing you note or the other,
• 37:14
  you see the student any scene with him and Bernard cribbins in
• 37:17
  end of time is just you know, absolutely magnificent.
• 37:22
  And I think it's not so much that he's character has been
• 37:25
  written differently again. It's the different Dynamic.
• 37:28
  You know you take him away from Rose, Tyler in you give them
• 37:31
  Martha Jones, who was kind of pain enough trouble, unrequited
• 37:34
  lie, if you put them with you know Catherine Teams not into
• 37:38
  any of that. Donna Noble, not many of that.
• 37:41
  Then it's a completely different Dynamic.
• 37:43
  But I typically work with you said, say about his doctor being
• 37:46
  very unlikable at times and certainly, you know, season
• 37:50
  series for when he is with Donna, there's a lot of sort of
• 37:55
  control around them. You know.
• 37:59
  He's the one that's in control and Donna in Martha and Rose to
• 38:04
  different extent are quite subservient to his Dr. Which I
• 38:09
  don't particularly enjoy a lot of the time.
• 38:11
  I think that's why, you know, serious things over with
• 38:14
  subservient, to the 10th doctor. Are you watching today?
• 38:18
  Yeah. Absolutely.
• 38:19
  I mean, you take the end of fires of Pompeii, for example,
• 38:24
  where Donna is reduced to go back.
• 38:28
  She or doesn't she doesn't she, I'm telling you this thing back,
• 38:33
  she collapses in a blubbering mess on the TARDIS.
• 38:37
  To the point where he then goes back and see if Capaldi's family
• 38:41
  and then she is expected to be thankful for it.
• 38:46
  But he has done her a fear that's have reading on that.
• 38:49
  I've never considered. I think, you know, I think is
• 38:51
  next wrong. I know, I actually agree with
• 38:55
  Fraser home. Well, I think, any companion
• 39:00
  that comes after Donna, sort of Amer Clara that seen a fat seen
• 39:06
  it played out, then the doctor would have felt a bibbity
• 39:09
  bobbity buck. And Across these.
• 39:12
  Why did generate again? Why does the doctor have to be a
• 39:17
  likable figure? Why can't was not just because
• 39:20
  this longing of our story essentially Capaldi's are
• 39:24
  fucking asshole, but if no one likes him, only the fans like
• 39:29
  him. I like him.
• 39:31
  So sort of times and so is. And I don't like him because it
• 39:35
  takes Man when it comes to time Lords I do yes particular kind
• 39:48
  of doctor it would seem as if it's not then it's weird, you
• 39:53
  know? Because it's complete opposite
• 39:54
  of my love life but I happen to really like a bastard, you know,
• 40:03
  I think the doctor should be sorry I was just gonna comment
• 40:06
  about what was going on. On-screen.
• 40:10
  What's on the Telly? Isn't the priest good?
• 40:15
  Yeah, surprisingly so given we are however many years later.
• 40:19
  What? We 18 years later Not quite only
• 40:23
  it's only be back 17. So though we're 15 years but
• 40:29
  Technologies come on a lot in 15 years.
• 40:33
  And Given that special effect was never supposed to be there.
• 40:35
  They had to scrape together, money to put that effect on the
• 40:38
  screen. It's a brilliant effect.
• 40:41
  I mean, the CGI of the whole coven is stupendous in the Beast
• 40:46
  is magnificently realized. Yeah.
• 40:49
  And it's just the scale. Yeah.
• 40:51
  When they, when you've got the little doctor looking at, I will
• 40:54
  with the Beast bearing down on him.
• 40:56
  Yeah, and yet, it might not stand up quite as well in the,
• 41:00
  you know, days of fun officers Whatever else that marvelous
• 41:04
  chuckling that goes under, yeah, what does actually be assist
• 41:07
  from Disney plus, but it's still a really good effect in a really
• 41:11
  good and I think that's only one year later than the slovene from
• 41:17
  World War 3. Yeah, yeah, things move on Fast.
• 41:22
  Look how far we've come, honestly, you know, in this
• 41:27
  climax. I really love the scenes in the
• 41:29
  shuttle. I feel like everybody's really,
• 41:32
  really well. Well written, I love the bit
• 41:34
  where Rose wakes up and down. He goes, oh my God!
• 41:36
  We're gonna have a Troublesome passenger here and she just for
• 41:40
  the ball garbage, she's president, she literally is
• 41:45
  technically committing suicide. There, there's no way she
• 41:48
  couldn't have known that in that wind.
• 41:50
  She was going to save the universe and do the right thing.
• 41:55
  It's great. And I do think the guy playing
• 41:58
  Toby is chilly, when he is just spouting out that, I so good.
• 42:04
  I mean, that's the angle, isn't it?
• 42:05
  That's the sort of angle of the resolution is that, you know,
• 42:09
  the DSC of the universe is safe because the doctor has faith in
• 42:14
  rules not anything else? Because again we have this whole
• 42:19
  thing's it, huh? Well, you would lose moves.
• 42:21
  Oh no. But then it's kind of I have
• 42:25
  faith in her that she's not a victim and that everything will
• 42:28
  all turn out. Well and I think to, I do not
• 42:32
  buy this, you know, I'll go gone gone, I'll come back.
• 42:35
  Hey, the talked over a lot of the scenes where rules is, you
• 42:41
  know, having to be Cydia that they get onto the ship as well.
• 42:45
  And you know, for all that I can point fault and what rules
• 42:51
  Taylor can't actually fault. Billy paper in the slightest.
• 42:56
  Now we're at all. She just she is and I think her
• 43:02
  seems Jean Bad Wolf by. That's the rawest performance.
• 43:06
  You're going to say from an actor in doctor whose entire
• 43:09
  run. I don't know what ever see is
• 43:11
  like again. And even even here when she is,
• 43:16
  you know, being told that you can't go back for the doctor
• 43:17
  when she wants to go back to the doctor.
• 43:20
  There's a very sort of childlike performance there from her.
• 43:24
  You know, I'm going to stay and it's like because I don't know
• 43:26
  what I want to be on my own. There's a very sort, of course,
• 43:29
  to a very childlike place with that performance.
• 43:33
  It's just brilliant. And this, I mean, Lex, I don't
• 43:35
  particularly like what happens between him and the doctor as
• 43:38
  their characters, but that is probably all the more because
• 43:42
  Cuz of really papers performance.
• 43:46
  Yeah, I agree. With some of it does, that's a
• 43:51
  really great moment where Toby gives himself away.
• 43:54
  But no one knows where he says, what's he doing?
• 43:58
  What's he doing? And no one on the ship knows why
• 44:03
  he said that and I don't pay any attention but you know, that
• 44:07
  they're still the connection between Toby and the Beast at
• 44:10
  that point, it's really remarkable moment and I do know
• 44:14
  this show just go back to what you were saying about will
• 44:18
  Forbes. Performance and considering he's
• 44:22
  perform it. His lines are being dubbed,
• 44:25
  really as well because because it's Some of it is it Gabriel
• 44:33
  wolf doing that or is it him? I'm not sure.
• 44:37
  But yeah so if he's just mouthing those words and it's
• 44:40
  even more important. Yeah, I think that's really much
• 44:45
  healing. Yeah, I die written York knees
• 44:48
  forever. He knows, he's really sitting
• 44:51
  pretty Panic. A my voice is going to squeaky
• 44:54
  like, yeah, I'm gonna give you a hug then Rose has her James
• 45:02
  Bond, blind, go to hell. Yes, it's and it's fine.
• 45:07
  It's what you do. I love it.
• 45:11
  I love it. Don't you know what?
• 45:13
  I'm gonna lay in a little secret when I first watched this.
• 45:16
  Yeah. And I know this because I went
• 45:18
  back and read my reviews on the dock, I do reviews.
• 45:21
  I absolutely adore. The state of big gave it 10/10,
• 45:24
  I load, I hate this episode. I gave it a 4 out of 10, whereas
• 45:28
  now, I think it's a very consistent piece.
• 45:30
  It's very strange, how your opinion can change over time.
• 45:33
  I think the second part of the stronger part.
• 45:35
  I think we'll you word from you. I think obviously the The
• 45:40
  tension and the emotion is more in the first part, but the
• 45:43
  second one is where the quieter more contemplative moments come.
• 45:46
  And like I said, the rows in the doctor are completely separated,
• 45:49
  which makes both of their characters instantly better. and
• 45:54
  as I said, the whole thing is just so incredibly well
• 45:57
  realized, I just love this bit where he's blown backwards and
• 46:02
  he's blown into the Tardis and it's either that's why it is
• 46:06
  feel. It's a huge coincidence and know
• 46:10
  this is the marigold course of delight tons.
• 46:23
  Let you go and tadaa its backwards.
• 46:29
  Well, it is, as you've probably got that, my biggest book,
• 46:33
  bareboat rtds rating, is the resolution to a lot of these
• 46:38
  plots where it is just dies. It's like literally dies in this
• 46:43
  instance, you know, x mark and not just, you know, though those
• 46:49
  narrative threads have kind of led him down a corridor Down an
• 46:53
  alley, where there's no other way out, other than just, the
• 46:57
  Tardis is there. They actually Jesus for tardis
• 47:01
  going down a hole in the first episode and then the doctor
• 47:05
  traveled down a hole in the second episode.
• 47:08
  How is that a deus ex machina? He's literally, he's found his
• 47:12
  ship. He's gone in the direction, it
• 47:14
  fell. But the pit wasn't open at that
• 47:17
  point. You always gone down a few
• 47:20
  tunnels also happens. He staggers in the right
• 47:25
  direction to where the Tardis is.
• 47:29
  Yep, this bothers me a bit because he says, oh, I couldn't
• 47:34
  go back and save the Ubud. Well, why couldn't you go back
• 47:38
  and save the end? And if Jodi Whittaker's doctor
• 47:41
  had done this, they wouldn't be huge outcries.
• 47:44
  Right now about another race that she's let go.
• 47:47
  And the 10th doctor could get away.
• 47:49
  With it that you know what? If you read the writers, tail
• 47:52
  Rusty Davis says himself, that was a mistake and that's why he
• 47:57
  wanted to write planet of the Ood.
• 47:59
  And he even says in Planet of the huge, I should have saved
• 48:02
  them and so he wants to he wanted to like acknowledge that
• 48:06
  they shouldn't have done this at the end of this story, it's
• 48:09
  terrible ache because there's no reason why the doctor couldn't
• 48:12
  have gone and save them. He said there's no time but he's
• 48:16
  got a fucking time machine, you know, don't you?
• 48:19
  It's all about a lot of people that died in.
• 48:21
  But well, not blood. Are you sure?
• 48:27
  I thought you knew everyone. Hey, it literally just need to
• 48:31
  line. Doesn't it?
• 48:32
  Like I couldn't see if it would do to the Blended blend of it?
• 48:36
  Limitation effect, I could only make one trip that was, that was
• 48:39
  a much better comment on the human race where it's like that
• 48:44
  alert. I want you to promise me that
• 48:46
  you're not. Are what, why am I kidding?
• 48:47
  You just gotta go. Yeah.
• 48:48
  Anyway, Way the human race. That's a much better reading
• 48:52
  than, you know, humans are amazing.
• 48:57
  Oh, this was the last thing they should not wash.
• 49:00
  This was their last story. The stuff of Legend.
• 49:05
  It's a nice pull out on them as well, up the come up, the time
• 49:09
  rotor and I'll say it again now. Even though you guys might not
• 49:13
  think it, they are the stuff of Legend because they're still
• 49:15
  talked about now, this parent. Yeah.
• 49:20
  So perhaps deserved if a little bit self-congratulatory Well
• 49:25
  it's my self-congratulatory doesn't it.
• 49:28
  Well it certainly Dallas. Yeah.
• 49:29
  Oh come on every year you know that Sentara special was going
• 49:32
  to be. So I was Time of the Doctor so
• 49:35
  it was in the time they were all seen off their Errors By
• 49:38
  clapping themselves on the back. It's nice that you see no more,
• 49:44
  who was I what self-congratulatory?
• 49:50
  Yeah. Well you should be absolutely
• 49:54
  fantastic. That's love of monsters.
• 49:58
  I've got a brand-new combine harvester.
• 50:00
  You've got a brand-new key again and I'm flashing you.
• 50:10
  My knickers Yeah, I'll leave you there.
• 50:25
  Oh, Joe anyway, fellas, we've reached the end of our epic
• 50:37
  adventure, on Sanctuary Base, number 6, or whatever number it
• 50:40
  is. Oh, that was if the nothing that
• 50:45
  made us laugh. One at the start and Impossible
• 50:48
  Planet where I does like to take what planet is this.
• 50:52
  And she's like, as if this planet could have a name and
• 50:54
  then five minutes later. She's like, so this week's used
• 50:58
  to call this planet cropped, or she was trying to be openness,
• 51:09
  shall we do our round robin of free things up?
• 51:12
  A piece that we recommend about The Impossible Planet and the
• 51:16
  Satan pit. Yeah, yeah.
• 51:19
  They say you're at the top of the screen.
• 51:20
  Why don't you go first? Well, I'm going to take the top
• 51:26
  one, which is, I think the thing that really makes this story
• 51:30
  work better than anything else. The one thing that lifts it
• 51:37
  above everything else is movie called score this, the You know
• 51:42
  that simple violent piece but then they'll bit that comes
• 51:44
  after that which is a bit more Your Castle but still just based
• 51:48
  around the strings. It just really cells that Miss
• 51:50
  fear, all the scenes down in the pit and Scooby's death and the
• 51:56
  bit where they find a body, it just absolutely, you know, seals
• 52:01
  those moments in really Elevate them.
• 52:03
  So movie gold, I'm gonna say the authentic and lived in set.
• 52:12
  Setting is a huge strength of this and the efforts that the
• 52:16
  design team have gone to to make it feel that way.
• 52:20
  So I'm going to say the absolutely beautifully
• 52:27
  wonderfully cast cast of this story, really make this story
• 52:34
  made the characters are all feel authentic without and everyone
• 52:40
  is really good without Very showy.
• 52:46
  Fraser and second thing that I love about this and would
• 52:51
  recommend it for is the separation of the Doctor and
• 52:53
  Rose in the second part and to allow Rose Tyler to be
• 53:00
  magnificent away from the doctor.
• 53:02
  And you'll fully sure what she is capable of as a companion as
• 53:06
  a substitute doctor. But then also, to give David
• 53:10
  Tennant, his sort of Davis, a moment with a different female
• 53:15
  companion, To have those wonderful back and forth
• 53:18
  discussions around some really deep meaty topics.
• 53:25
  I'm going to say there was like three or four very adult moments
• 53:30
  of horror that hit in this episode, Jefferson asking to
• 53:35
  commit, suicide scooty, knowing that she was about to die and
• 53:43
  those were moments that really made me sit up and pay
• 53:45
  attention. The first time I watched this
• 53:49
  and I think yeah, there are some really genuinely chilling
• 53:52
  moments in this and Dobbs who doesn't scare me very often.
• 53:55
  There's a few moments in this that do.
• 54:00
  Okay, it's got to be the Ood, whose are gue.
• 54:04
  That's so brilliant. That beautifully designed, they
• 54:08
  feel real. They feel like they've got a
• 54:11
  culture and something that we don't quite know and the writing
• 54:15
  about them being a slave race. And then the fact that they're
• 54:19
  all absolutely disposable that they can put a virus in just to
• 54:23
  kill them, all off, and the doctor leaves them.
• 54:27
  All behind says, a lot about them, think they They, they were
• 54:30
  one of the monsters that captured the imagination from
• 54:34
  the new series and the fact that they were in Doctor Who just
• 54:38
  last year again and they were at the center piece almost of the
• 54:43
  time, lord, Victorious story as well, with Brian Lee Hood and
• 54:47
  all those things, they're very memorable and their comeback for
• 54:52
  a reason because their goods, there's lots to explore their,
• 54:56
  it's even with their personal balls.
• 54:57
  So pretty simple design, isn't it?
• 54:59
  But it's Memorable. Yeah, because they're not
• 55:02
  they're not quite human with their eyes on the sides and
• 55:05
  their little tentacles in front of their mouths and things like
• 55:09
  that. It's really, really nice design
• 55:11
  work. Okay.
• 55:12
  Way for kids to kind of moving with this.
• 55:13
  Well yeah if fingers yes we've all been doing.
• 55:16
  Yeah. Fraser em.
• 55:20
  Just on a tangent then you know obviously will have planet of
• 55:24
  the Ood coming up in series for you.
• 55:28
  Do you guys think that's a good? Good continuation of the old
• 55:31
  story, or would you have liked to have seen something a bit
• 55:33
  different? I think planet of the Ood isn't
• 55:37
  Eric's toward story transplanted into the new series, it's
• 55:42
  violent. The body count is high.
• 55:44
  It's gritty its directed by Graeme Harper.
• 55:48
  It's it's, I think it's, I and I do think it offers a sympathetic
• 55:55
  reading of the Ood and takes them to a satisfying conclusion.
• 56:00
  So I think it's a great continuation.
• 56:04
  I'm fine. Absolutely, but it's got a big
• 56:09
  brain. Yeah, I I don't know it.
• 56:15
  It's okay. It's just okay, it never is one.
• 56:18
  I've been all I'd really like to watch planet of the Ood and in a
• 56:22
  mood bit like an area toward story.
• 56:25
  Yeah, yeah. I don't know it, I can't quite
• 56:31
  grasp what it is. That is Because I don't feel
• 56:34
  there's anything wrong with it, but I don't think there's lots
• 56:37
  that makes it stand out Iva. And Donna is very much in the
• 56:42
  same mode as rows in this story of are there a slave race.
• 56:47
  You need to be better and but there's a lot of running around
• 56:50
  and that the awful sort of subplot of turning mr.
• 56:57
  Food maker into a nude himself. I don't think that quite a bit
• 57:03
  because you've got a B movie moment where he peels off his
• 57:06
  wings and it's got the stupid moment with with the with the
• 57:15
  big digger. Italian Well when did you wash
• 57:27
  them together? One day often.
• 57:29
  Yes. It's an inch long list.
• 57:32
  The one time since I've seen planet of the Ood and yet it's
• 57:36
  not one that I'm clamoring to go back and see not do well from
• 57:39
  what I remember there was just some very very silly.
• 57:43
  Points where you just think this is bobbins.
• 57:45
  This is and I wonder if you two wouldn't watch that you know,
• 57:50
  now because it sounds like it's been awhile and re-evaluate that
• 57:53
  one a little bit obvious lessons bobbins to be honest.
• 57:56
  But I think you know, just, I think that would my opinion
• 58:02
  from, what I remember of it is that that you deserved a bit
• 58:04
  better than that story. The deserved a bit more, the
• 58:07
  meteor, Continuation, a better story than just, you know, big
• 58:14
  brains in pits and stuff like that, John a bit.
• 58:19
  I think that, that really sells how dreadfully they're being
• 58:22
  treated is, when you got those free use and they'd given him
• 58:25
  all different voices, the sexy woman, who'd, and the Homer
• 58:28
  Simpson Rule, and I'm like, no. And not only slaves, they're
• 58:32
  taking a piss out of them as well, like it's just awful, and
• 58:35
  it's so real because that's what we do with such a commercially
• 58:38
  Society. Now those exactly what we would
• 58:40
  do. So pulling.
• 58:42
  It was that your point? Was that just a question?
• 58:44
  No, that was just running through a question.
• 58:50
  We talked about Buddha had a question so I asked her but it's
• 58:52
  obviously anyone out there that really loves planet of the Ood,
• 58:55
  then feel free to drop your message and come on home.
• 58:58
  Schooling is bagsy. Don't worry, sometimes when you
• 59:00
  got it. But what I've just said there
• 59:04
  should all turned off at the first five minutes of the
• 59:06
  episode 1. Anyway, anyhow, it's my turn to
• 59:09
  pick. You're still with us is phrases.
• 59:12
  Third point. It's Jim's, reassuringly,
• 59:16
  expensive, strong and his Direction.
• 59:20
  I was going to be my one. That's why you shouldn't let me
• 59:23
  go first. Yeah, it's a fantastic directed
• 59:29
  episode as we've discussed. There's a lot of shots, lot of
• 59:32
  moments that would necessarily, you know, necessary.
• 59:37
  But also in there, I think, you know, the end Scene with David
• 59:41
  Tennant, where he is confident in the beast in, he's gone back
• 59:43
  to his chief acting and all the rest of it.
• 59:48
  And, you know, the different cuts in there.
• 59:51
  The different angles all cook. Together really works
• 59:55
  fantastically. Well he's bought, he's got a
• 59:58
  fantastic performance out of all of these cast.
• 1:00:00
  Well well done it's my third thing is it is this his first?
• 1:00:06
  Yeah. What a way to impress hmm.
• 1:00:10
  Went on to do Daleks in Manhattan and evolution of the
• 1:00:12
  Daleks Voyage of the Damned partners in crime, in the Planet
• 1:00:16
  of the Dead. I think partners in crime is the
• 1:00:19
  new series episodes with the most amount of scenes, you know,
• 1:00:22
  there's a website, whatever you might think of Daleks in
• 1:00:29
  Manhattan, evolution of the Daleks.
• 1:00:30
  It is very well directed. I think he's just a very
• 1:00:34
  competent director and he knows how to put a starter shop
• 1:00:38
  together. And put the money on the screen
• 1:00:41
  and well then I suppose my third and now I'm literally on the fly
• 1:00:47
  now because I had one so it now got to make it up my third
• 1:00:52
  recommendation. For this is anomalous, a sexy
• 1:00:56
  ventilation starch, Fraser is to be utterly contrary I think the
• 1:01:08
  Tenth Doctor and Rose are terrific in the first episode
• 1:01:12
  and it's nice to have that opposing view.
• 1:01:13
  Don't you give me those eyes? I'll I think is a justifiably
• 1:01:19
  celebrated hearing and there is a confidence and a chemistry
• 1:01:25
  between the two actors that has rarely been bettered or caught
• 1:01:31
  on with the general audiences. You know what?
• 1:01:34
  It doesn't work for me. It's coming into this episode
• 1:01:37
  and isolation, I didn't enjoy it.
• 1:01:40
  Taking the whole series as a whole.
• 1:01:43
  It does work and you know knowing where we're going you
• 1:01:50
  know I watch they get to London the other night and the would
• 1:01:52
  just as horrendous in that as the word in this.
• 1:01:56
  So, you know, it is definitely a continuation and is definitely
• 1:01:59
  planned by RTD that we are going to, you know, To make this a
• 1:02:05
  hyper sort of romance. And then because I'm going to
• 1:02:08
  pull the rug out of it from underwritten.
• 1:02:10
  I think that's one of the things I like about RTD is that you
• 1:02:14
  pushes his character as in places that you might not enjoy
• 1:02:18
  them going but without better but makes it better and classic
• 1:02:23
  example. Again would be the Tenth Doctors
• 1:02:26
  final scene with Wilfred end of time part 2.
• 1:02:29
  Where, you know, I could have done so much more and he's
• 1:02:32
  raging against the fuck. Some say well and so you know
• 1:02:34
  you don't like that but for me that is pushing the character
• 1:02:39
  into a place that we don't enjoy but we get much more out of it
• 1:02:44
  from from that and that is exactly what what he's doing
• 1:02:47
  with the Tenth Doctor and Rose. Here, I feel like with the time
• 1:02:49
  stops are in those specials, he started basically like the tenth
• 1:02:55
  doctor it's almost like he knows how popular is and he buys into
• 1:02:59
  his own myth and the humor was that I don't like it but I love
• 1:03:05
  that. They did it.
• 1:03:06
  I love it. They took the doctor to a point
• 1:03:07
  where he's so fucking arrogant, that he thinks he can take on
• 1:03:11
  time itself. And I'm going to make up the
• 1:03:14
  rules and I'm this all-important and then he's punished for it.
• 1:03:17
  He's killed like. No, you can't.
• 1:03:19
  That you've gone too far, you're out.
• 1:03:22
  I like that. It's dark, and it's unusual.
• 1:03:27
  And I, you know, like yeah, people are usually really didn't
• 1:03:30
  like it, but it's certainly trying new things.
• 1:03:33
  Things, you know. It's yeah, well you can't fault
• 1:03:35
  it for that really can't. What's your third thing?
• 1:03:39
  I think. I am going to bring the tone
• 1:03:44
  down and say, oh my God will fault.
• 1:03:47
  Oh yeah just because we could all have moments of that and
• 1:03:54
  right from when it. Yeah.
• 1:03:56
  Oh God. Yeah.
• 1:03:58
  So there and I he looks really sexy with the num with the
• 1:04:03
  lettering across his face. I mean I'm sorry about that
• 1:04:06
  though. I worried about like I'm sorry
• 1:04:08
  you're more turned on by him when he's the devil.
• 1:04:12
  Well, you know that was my gonna be my question with or without
• 1:04:16
  the red I say oh, we've Go. The whole hog.
• 1:04:21
  Does that mean you like a bad boy because he's a good boy.
• 1:04:27
  It's just something about bad. Boy, isn't especially when the
• 1:04:30
  wind blowing your hair and your tempting people out there.
• 1:04:36
  How on Earth do we got? No free now.
• 1:04:38
  How did I miss out? Shawn parks and is BBC.
• 1:04:41
  I mean, are you can have an extra one?
• 1:04:42
  There we go, never mind. No, no, I'll have my 3.
• 1:04:47
  Well, well, boys, which way we heading next.
• 1:04:52
  Well anyway that's always we have we've discussed so many
• 1:04:59
  stories that we going to do. Haven't we?
• 1:05:04
  We have and there are a couple there are free.
• 1:05:08
  I believe that we could put into a pole.
• 1:05:11
  Oh please. If you could just announce those
• 1:05:13
  three and then, okay, well we got, it's been a while since we
• 1:05:17
  ignored at Twitter pool. Exactly, we've got Christopher
• 1:05:21
  Eccleston. Visiting card, if in Boomtown.
• 1:05:25
  Oh yes, amazing. We've got Patrick troughton
• 1:05:30
  Fraser Hines and when deep a e heading to the moon in the seeds
• 1:05:35
  of death, another six part, I woo.
• 1:05:39
  And and just recently added to the list of stories, we're going
• 1:05:43
  to do take on one of the top 10 best ever Doctor Who stories and
• 1:05:51
  we go back. This one.
• 1:05:53
  Oh sorry the best one. Best art history ever made.
• 1:05:57
  We got to go back in time to a point before the Daleks were
• 1:06:01
  created. You mean avert their creation or
• 1:06:06
  affect? Their genetic development.
• 1:06:08
  They evolved with the less aggressive creatures that
• 1:06:12
  feasible. We fucking know which story will
• 1:06:15
  win this pole. I'm sorry but won't sound but do
• 1:06:19
  we have the rate?