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Mega Edition: Ghislaine Maxwell And Deposition That Sealed Her Fate (Part 1-3) (4/24/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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In this episode, we're going to keep the discuss bus
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rolling by starting our look at Glain Maxwell's deposition. Now,
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this is the deposition where she ended up catching charges
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for perjury. So let's just dive right in and let's
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get started. Virginia Roberts against Glaian Maxwell, Case number fifteen
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DASH CV DASH zero seven four three three Dash RWs videographer.
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We are now on the record and recording. This begins
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disc number one, the deposition of Glenn Maxwell in the
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matter of Virginia Roberts versus Glen Maxwell in the US
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District Court for the Southern District of New York. Today
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is April twenty second, twenty sixteen. The time is nine
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oh four am. The deposition is being taken at five
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seventy five Lexington Avenue in New York at the request
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of Sigared McCauley of Boys, Schiller and Flexner. The videographer
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is James Christy and the court reporter is Leslie Fagan.
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Will counsel state their appearance and whom they represent, and
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then court reporters swear in Miss Maxwell, Miss McCauley, my
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name is Sigared McCauley. I'm here with my colleague Meredith Schultz.
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We are both boys, Schiller and Flexner. We represent Miss Roberts.
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Next person up mister Edwards, Brad Edwards. I also represent
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Miss Roberts, Mister Cassell, Paul Cassell. I also represent Miss Roberts,
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Mister Pagliuca, Jeff Pagliuca, and Laura Meninger on behalf of
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Glenn Maxwell. Glenn Maxwell is called as a witness, having
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been duly sworn by a notary public was examined and
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testified as follows. So it's going to be Sigared McCauley
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asking the questions here, and then obviously it's going to
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be Glenn Maxwell doing the responding. And then if we
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have any kind of add ons, like an objection or whatever,
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I'll notate who's making the objection and we'll just keep
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it rolling. So let's just get started, shall we. McCauley,
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good morning. I'm going to explain some of the rules
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that will happen with respect to depositions. Have you ever
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been the pose before? Maxwell? I have not. McAuley. What
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is going to happen here? We have a court reporter
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and a videographer. What they do is take down the
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words that we say, So when I ask you a question,
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they will record what you say in response to that.
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So we have to be mindful that in order for
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them to do their job, we can't talk over each other.
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Another issue you have to be weary of is that
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in a response, you can't give a nonverbal response, in
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other words, nodding a yes or no. They need to
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hear a verbal response so they can record it on
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their transcript. So that's important for you to remember as
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we go through the day. If you forget, I will
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be sure to remind you. Is there anything that would
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prevent you from giving truthful testimony today? Maxwell, there is not, McCauley.
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You are not on any medications or anything that would
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inhibit your ability to remember or give truthful testimony. Maxwell,
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I am not, mister Pagliuca. Could you identify the assistant
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in the room, Miss McCauley. This is Emma Rosen from
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our New York office. She is a paralegal. McCauley, Miss Maxwell,
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can you please state your address for the record. Maxwell
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currently redacted. McCauley, what is your date of birth? Maxwell
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redacted McCauley, when did you first recruit a female to
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work for mister Epstein. Mister Pagliuka, I object to the
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form and foundation of the question. I believe this is
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confidential information. I ask anyone who has not admitted in
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this case to be excused from the room, please McCauley.
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So the response to the question would Pagliuke, he interrupts.
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The subject matter of this question is confidential, and I'm
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designating it as confidential. Cigaret McCauley, I just want to
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make that clear for the record. Brad Edwards interjects, So
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we don't delay the deposition, I will step out of
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the room, but I think that it's important to lay
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the record that Pagliuca interrupts. I'm sorry. You're not admitted
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in this proceeding, so you are not entitled to make
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any record. If Ms McCauley wants to make a record,
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she can, Brad Edwards, I can make a record right now, Pagliuca.
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Maybe we should get the judge on the phone and
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talk about it. Edwards, the record will be short. This
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is the precise reason why Miss Roberts wants me in
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this case, and I'm unable to effectively represent her at
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this time because I'm unable to have access to the
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confidential information, which includes apparently the entire deposition of miss Maxwell.
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But for the sake of not further delaying this, I
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will be outside the room. McCauley, Thank you. Maxwell. I
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would just like to clarify the address. I'm in the
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process of selling the house, so while I still receive
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mail there, it's not my actual physical address. It's in
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the process of being sold. It still requires some financial
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paperwork to be done. So, just for the purposes of clarity, McCauley,
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do you have a new address where you will be living? Maxwell,
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I do not, McCauley. For the purpose of the record.
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If there is something that I ask you that you
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later remember something else or need to correct your testimony
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in some way, you can do that. Just let me
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know what it is and we will go back to
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that question and you can clarify Maxwell. Of course, I
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just want it to be clear. There is still some
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paperwork pending for the final release, but it's in the
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process of sale. But I don't have another address currently,
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so whilst that should still be of record that the
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mail could be forwarded there. So for the purposes of clarity.
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I want it to be clear, McCauley. I appreciate that. So,
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miss Maxwell, when did you first recruit a female to
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work for mister Epstein? Mister Pagliuca, He objects, and he
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says again, I object to form and foundation of the question. McCauley,
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you can answer the question. Maxwell. First of all, can
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you please clarify the question. I don't understand what you
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mean by female. I don't understand what you mean by recruit.
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Please be more clear and specific about what you were suggesting, McCauley.
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Are you a female? Is that the sex that you are? Maxwell?
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I am female, McCauley. That's what I'm referring to a female.
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And I'm asking you when you're first, the very first
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time you recruited a female to work for mister Epstein. Maxwell, again,
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I don't understand that female. I am a fifty four
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year old woman. McCauley. I'm not making it age any
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age of a female that you recruited to work for
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mister Epstein. Maxwell again, I was somebody who hired a
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number of people to work for mister Epstein, and hiring
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is one of my functions. McCauley. And when is the
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first time you hired someone to work for mister Epstein?
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A female Maxwell, as best as I can recollect, a
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woman in the age, probably of about forty or fifty,
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and it was sometime in nineteen ninety two. McCauley, How
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long did you work for mister Epstein? Maxwell? I started
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working for him at some point in nineteen ninety two,
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and the nature of my work relationship with him changed
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over time. So from around two thousand and two to
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two thousand and three, the work lesson considerably. McCauley, When
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did you to this, Pagliuca responds, Can I interject for
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a moment if we were talking about background? McCauley cuts
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them off. I'm in the middle of a question. Let
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me finish it, and then you can interject. Manager. When
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you say two thousand and two to two thousand and
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three that the work lessened, when did you complete working
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for mister Epstein? When was the last time you were
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employed by him? The last date Maxwell, I believe I
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was still doing helping him in a very nominal way,
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maybe an hour or two a year, at some time
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in two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine. To this,
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pack Leuka interjects. So if you are going to be
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talking about general background, I don't need to designate that
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is confidential. So if you want to have them come
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back in, that's fine. I assume by your first question
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you were going into more sensitive areas. I will leave
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it up to you. But if this is a general background,
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it will not be designated as confidential. McCauley. I appreciate that.
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I will jump back into my other questions pack Leuka,
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so we will keep it as confidential. McCauley. When you
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were first employed by him in nineteen ninety two, what
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were you hired to do? Maxwell? First, I was consulting,
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and what I did was I helped them with decorating
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houses and in hiring staff to help run those houses. McCauley.
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Did your duties change over the course of nineteen ninety
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two to two thousand and nine, pack Leuka objective form
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and foundation? Maxwell my job in telling running the homes
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that he had, But much more importantly, most of the
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houses had construction, and so whilst in nineteen ninety two
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there was no construction project, there was construction projects that
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began after that time, and I was in charge not
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only of hiring architects. I was also in charge of
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all the filings and overseeing that like a general contractor.
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Would I also help with hiring the architects, hiring the builders,
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reviewing the contracts for the builders, coordinating the building projects,
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coordinating how the projects would lay out, the timing of
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the projects, and all the various materials they would require
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to run a very substantial building project. That's the nature
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of the job I was dealing with. McCauley, How oll
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was the youngest female you ever hired to work for Jeffrey?
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Pagliyuka object to the form and the foundation. McCauley, you
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can answer Maxwell, I have not any idea exactly of
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the youngest adult employee that I hired for Jeffrey. McCauley,
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when you say adult employee, did you ever hire someone
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that was under the age of eighteen? Maxwell? Never? McCauley,
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did you ever bring someone who was under eighteen or
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invite someone who is under eighteen to the Jeffrey Epstein's
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home or any of his homes. Pagliuka objects to the
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form and the foundation. Maxwell, can you repeat the question, McCauley,
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did you ever invite anybody who was under the age
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of eighteen to Jeffreys Holmes. Pagliuca sam objections Maxwell, I
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have a number of friends that have children and friends
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of mine that have kids, and in the invitation of
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my friends and their kids, I'm sure I may have
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invited some of my friend's kids to come. McCauley. Anybody
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that is not a friend of yours Maxwell, any female
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under the age of eighteen, did you invite them to
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come to Jeffrey's home. Pagluka once again objects to the
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form and the foundation. Maxwell again, as I said, I
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am not aware of inviting anybody other than friends of
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mine who have children to the house. McCauley, did you
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invite Virginia Royroberts to come to Jeffrey Epstein's home when
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she was under the age of eighteen? Pagleuka objects to
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the form and the foundation. Maxwell. Virginia Roberts held herself
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out as a massuse and invited herself to come and
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give a massage. McCauley, My question is, did you invite
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Virginia Roberts when she was under the age of eighteen
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to come to Jeffrey Epstein's home. Packleuka objects to the
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form and the foundation. Maxwell again Virginia Roberts was a massus. McCauley.
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I'm not asking if she was a massus. I'm asking
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if you invited her to come to Jeffrey Epstein's home.
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Maxwell again, there would be no course to have a
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conversation with Virginia unless she held herself out to be
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a massus. McCauley, I'm not asking that question. I'm asking
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if you invited her to come to Jeffrey Epstein's home
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when she was under the age of eighteen. Maxwell again,
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I repeat, she was a massus and in the form
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and as my job, I was to have people who
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who he wanted for various things, including massage. She came
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as a massuse, McCauley, So you invited her to his
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home to come to give a massage? Is that correct?
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Mister Pagliuca object to the form and foundation misdates the
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witness testimony. Maxwell again, I did not invite Virginia Roberts.
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She came as a messuse, McCauley, So she invited herself
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to come as a massuse. She just showed up at
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the front door. Pagliuca object to the form and the foundation, Maxwell.
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Miss Roberts held herself out, McCauley. I'm not asking how
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she held herself out. I'm asking how she arrived at
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the home. Did you meet her and invite her to
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come to the home, or how did she arrive there?
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Pagliuca object to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, Miss
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Roberts held her to be a messuse and her mother
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drove her to the house. McCauley, when did you first
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meet Virginia Roberts Maxwell, I don't have a recollection of
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the first meeting. McCauley. Do you recall meeting her at
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mar A Lago? Maxwell, Like I said, I don't have
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a recollection of meeting miss Roberts. McCauley, So you recall
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Miss Roberts being brought to the home by her mother.
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Is that your testimony? Maxwell? That's my testimony, McCauley. And
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that's the first time you met her Maxwell, Like I said,
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I don't recall meeting her the first time. I do
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remember her mother bringing her to the home. McCauley. Are
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you a member at mar A Lago Maxwell? No, McCauley.
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Have you ever visited mar A Lago? Maxwell? Yes, McCauley,
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did you visit mar A Lago in the year two thousand, Maxwell,
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I'm pretty sure I did, McCauley. When Miss Roberts arrived
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at the home with her mother, what happened, Maxwell? I
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spoke to her mother outside the house and she What
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I don't recall is exactly what happened because I was
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talking to her mother the entire time she was in
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the house. McCauley, did you introduce miss Roberts to Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell?
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I don't recall how she actually met mister Epstein. As
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I said, I spoke to her mother the entire time
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outside the house. McCauley, did you walk Miss Roberts up
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to the upstairs location at the Palm Beach house to
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meet mister Epstein? Pag Leuka object to the form and foundation. McCauley,
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you can answer Maxwell. I just explained I spent the
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entire time talking to Virginia's mother outside the house. So
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the answer to the question is no, McCauley. Did you
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not walk her up and introduce her to mister Epstein? Maxwell?
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I just said no, McCauley. Did you participate in a
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massage the first time when she first came to the home,
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and were you speaking with her mother she was in
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the home. Is that correct? You brought her into the home?
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Pag Leuka object to the form and the foundation. I
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will repeat again. I was standing outside with her mother,
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so very difficult for me to do anything else at
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that time. So no, I did not take her upstairs. McCauley,
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did you participate? Maxwell? Virginia lied one hundred percent about
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absolutely everything that took place in that first meeting. She
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has lied repeatedly often and is just an awful fantasist,
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So very difficult for anything to take place that she
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repeated because I was with her mother the entire time. McCauley,
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So did you have did you give a massage with
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Virginia Roberts and mister Epstein during the first time Virginia
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was at the West Palm Beach House. Pagliuca object to
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the form and foundation McCauley, Yes or no? Maxwell? No,
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All right, We're going to wrap up episode one there.
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We'll pick up in the next episode where we left off.
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All of the information that goes with this episode can
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be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
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welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're
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going to pick up where we left off with a
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Glenn Maxwell deposition Cigarette maccauley, have you ever given a
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massage with Virginia Roberts in the room and Jeffrey Epstein?
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Pagliuca object to the form and the foundation Maxwell No, McCauley,
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have you ever given Jeffrey Epstein a massage? Pagliuca object
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to the form foundation, And I'm going to instruct you
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not to answer that question. I don't have any problem
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with you asking questions about what the subject matter of
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this lawsuit is, which would be as you've termed it,
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sexual trafficking of Miss Roberts, to the extent you're asking
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for information relating to any consensual adult interaction between my
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client and mister Epstein. I'm going to instruct her not
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to answer because it's not part of this litigation and
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it is her private, confidential information not subject to this deposition. McCauley,
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you can instruct her not to answer, that is your right,
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but I'll bring her back for another deposition because it
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is part of the subject matter of this litigation. So
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she should be answering these questions. This is a civil
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litigation deposition, and she should be responsible for answering these questions.
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Pakluka I disagree, and you understand the bounds that I
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put on it. McCauley, No, I don't. I will continue
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to ask my questions and you can continue to make
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your objections. McCauley, did you ever participate from the time
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period of nineteen ninety two to two thousand and nine,
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did you ever participate in a massage with Jeffrey Epstein
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and another female? Pagliuka objection. Do not answer that question
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again to the extent you are asking for some sort
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of illegal activity, as you've construed in connection with this case.
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I don't have any problem with you asking that question
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to the extent that these questions involve consensual acts between adults. Frankly,
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they're none of your business, and I will instruct the
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witness not to answer. Ms McCauley. This case involves sexual
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trafficking sexual abuse. Questions about her having interactions with other
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females is relevant to this case. She needs to answer
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these questions, Pagliuca. I'm instructing her not to answer, McCauley.
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Then we will be back here again. McCauley, have you
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ever given a massage to mister Epstein with a female
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that was under the age of eighteen. Maxwell, can you
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repeat the question, McCauley, Yes, have you ever given a
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massage to mister Epstein with a female that was under
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the age of eighteen? Maxwell? No, McCauley, have you ever
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observed mister Epstein having a massage given by an individual
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a female who was under the age of eighteen? Maxwell? No, McCauley,
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have you ever observed females under the age of eighteen
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in the presence of Jeffrey Epstein at his home? Pagliuca
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object to the form and foundation. Maxwell again, I have
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friends that have children. McCauley cuts her off. Here, I'm
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not talking about friends, I'm talking about individuals. Pagliuca cuts
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off McCauley. I'm going to object to you interrupting the
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witness who was answering your question. The question was have
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you ever seen anyone female under the age of eighteen
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at the house? And that's the question that she was answering.
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If you want to strike that question and ask another question,
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feel free, but let the witness respond. Please, McCauley, I'll
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do that. McCauley, have you ever observed a female under
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the age of eighteen at Jeffrey Epstein's home that was
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not a friend a child, one of your friend's children. Maxwell, again,
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I can't testify to that because I have no idea
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what you're talking about. McCauley. You have no idea what
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I'm talking about in the sense you never observed the
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female under the age of eighteen at Jeffrey Epstein's home
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that was not one of your friend's children. Is that correct,
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mister Pagliuca object to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
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How would I possibly know how old someone is when
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they are at his house? You were asking me to
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do that. I cannot possibly testify to that. As far
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as I'm concerned, everyone who came to his house was
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an adult, professional person. McCauley. Are you familiar with the
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police report that was issued in respect to the investigation
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in this matter? Mister Pagliuca object to the form and
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the foundation. McAuley again, are you familiar with the police
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report that was used in this matter? The investigation of
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Jeffrey Epstein has been produced as a document in this matter. Maxwell,
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I've seen the police report. Maxwell, exhibit ie police report
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mark for identification. McCauley, the police report that you have
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in front of you, can you turn to page twenty
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eight of that report. The numbers are on the top
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right hand corner. You will see some redactions in this report,
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Miss Maxwell. The redacted information is redacted because it reveals
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the name of a minor someone who is under the
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age of eighteen. On page twenty eight, in the third paragraph,
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about halfway down, it says, redacted stated she reformed the
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massage naked. At the knclusion of this massage, Epstein paid
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Redacted two hundred dollars for the massage. He explained, I
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know you are not comfortable, but I will pay you
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if you bring some other girls. He told her. The
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younger the better, Redacted stated, once tried to bring a
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twenty three year old to Abstein, and he stated that
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the female was too old. Have you heard mister Apstein
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use the phrase the younger the better? Maxwell, I have
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no recollection of hearing that. McCauley, have you ever used
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the phrase in talking to redacted and asking her to
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recruit females for mister Apstein, The younger the better. Mister
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Pagliuca object to the form and foundation of the question Maxwell.
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First of all, can you break the question apart. McCauley,
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have you ever used the phrase the younger the better.
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In speaking to redacted and asking her to recruit females
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for Jeffrey Epstein, Pagliuca object to the form and the foundation. McCauley,
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you can answer, it's a yes or a no. Maxwell, No,
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that's absolutely not true. On the second part of your question,
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I have not asked Virginia to recruit females. And the
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first part of your question, if you can repeat that
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again the question you asked. McCauley asked for the record
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to be read back, and after the question is asked again,
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Maxwell responds, I believe I answered the latter part of
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the question the first part of the question. It's impossible
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for me to recall events that took place sixteen years ago,
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but it doesn't sound like something I would say McCauley.
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On page twenty eight that same paragraph, redacted was asked
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how many girls in total she brought to Epstein. Redacted
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stated that she can't remember. Redacted stated that she brought
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and it's redacted there and the victim in this case.
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Let me ask a question. I have a question pending
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right now. Are you testifying that you were unaware of
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any underage under the age of eighteen? Females coming to
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Jeffrey Epstein's home to perform massages. Pagliuca object to the
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form and the foundation. Maxwell, you need to straddle that
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question in a different time period. When I was there.
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At the time I was present, the people that gave
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Jeffrey men and women who gave Jeffrey massages were adults
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over the age of eighteen. McCauley. Never in your time
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at any of Jeffrey Epstein's homes were you present when
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a female under the age of eighteen was there to
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give Jeffrey Epstein a massage. Pagliuca object to the form
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and the foundation. Maxwell. First of all, as I said,
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when I was present, McCauley, it's a yes or no Maxwell, No,
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it is not. McCauley. You can answer the question in full,
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but please provide yes or no as an initial matter. Maxwell,
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I cannot answer yes or no. It's not bounded by time.
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It's entirely possible. I could have been in a room
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or even in the vicinity of Palm Beach when somebody came,
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and I would not know. How would I know when
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somebody was in the house. There is no way I
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can know. McCauley did you stay at Jeffrey Epstein's home
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when you were in Palm Beach, Glenn Maxwell most of
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the time. McCauley, So how is it that you wouldn't
24:10
know if there was a female in the home under
24:13
the age of eighteen if you were staying there. Maxwell, Well,
24:17
first of all, when I was staying there, the house
24:19
is actually quite large, and I have a very busy job,
24:22
and I had an office with the door, so the
24:25
door would be shut and I would be working. I'm
24:27
not responsible for what Jeffrey does, and I don't always
24:30
pay attention to what happens in the house. I'm very busy. McCauley,
24:35
So you're testifying that you never observed a female under
24:38
the age of eighteen at Jeffrey Epstein's West pom Beach home.
24:42
Pagliuca object to the form and the foundation. Maxwell. I
24:47
already answered that question. I believe McCauley. You didn't answer
24:51
my question. Maxwell, I did, McCauley, did you observe a
24:56
female under the age of eighteen at Jeffrey Epstein's home
24:59
in Beach? Maxwell, like I said, I work. I don't
25:04
sit there and watch people coming in and out of
25:06
the house. I cannot possibly tell you if I'm in
25:08
the home that somebody was there that I did not see,
25:11
I cannot comment on it. I have no idea. McCauley,
25:15
did you observe females at Jeffrey Epstein's home that were
25:18
laying out topless in the back of the home, in
25:21
other words, without the shirt on? Maxwell? So that's just
25:25
another of Virginia's lies. So let's just be clear. At
25:29
the time when I was there, in present, frequently at
25:31
the house, it was unusual to see people without their
25:34
clothes on. McCauley. When you say unusual, did you observe
25:38
people without their clothes on at Jeffrey Epstein's home, Maxwell,
25:43
can I answer? Sometimes people in the privacy of a
25:46
house and swimming pool, I have seen people from time
25:49
to time take their top off. I have seen people
25:51
from time to time do that very unusual naked people
25:55
around the pool at any frequent period of time. I
25:58
have never seen, McCauley. Were they under the age of eighteen? Maxwell,
26:03
As I was saying, people when I was in the
26:05
house were of adult age. And if they were children,
26:08
friends of my family or friends that were there, they
26:11
may well have been. Because I have nieces and nephews
26:14
under the age of eighteen. I cannot testify to anybody else,
26:19
just another one of Virginia's many fictitious lies and stories
26:22
to make this a salacious event to get interest and press.
26:26
It's all absolute rubbish. McCauley, were you in charge of
26:30
hiring individuals to provide massages for Jeffrey Epstein Maxwell. My
26:36
job included hiring many people. There were six homes as
26:39
I sit here. I hired assistants, I hired architects. I
26:42
hired decorators, I hired cooks, I hired cleaners, I hired gardeners.
26:47
I hired pool people, I hired pilots. I hired all
26:50
sorts of people in the course and a very small
26:54
part of my job was from time to time to
26:57
find adult professional massage therapists for Jeffrey. McCauley. When you
27:02
say adult professional massage therapists, where did you find these
27:05
massage therapists? Maxwell? From time to time I would visit
27:10
professional spas, I would receive a massage, and if the
27:13
massage was good, I would ask that man or woman
27:16
if they did home visits. McCauley, did you ever hire
27:20
a massuse that was under the age of eighteen. Mister
27:23
Pagliuca objects to the form and the foundation. McCauley asked again,
27:28
did you Maxwell, Again, I don't hire a massage therapist,
27:32
so that's not my job. McCauley, you just said you did.
27:36
You just said you hired massage therapists for Jeffrey Epstein.
27:39
I'm asking if you hired a massage therapist who was
27:42
under the age of eighteen. Maxwell. Let me correct myself.
27:46
When I meant hire, I didn't mean hire in the
27:48
way that you were doing it. What I say is
27:51
that I went to spas and I met people, and
27:53
if they did home visits, Jeffrey would then in fact
27:56
hire them. I'm not responsible for hiring someone and they
28:00
were not full time, so it's not a correct characterization. McCauley,
28:04
did you ever your term is meet? Did you ever
28:07
meet a person that was under the age of eighteen
28:09
that you that Jeffrey then hired as a massus Maxwell?
28:15
First of all, Virginia Roberts, who you were referring to,
28:18
was a massus age seventeen. We all know now, So
28:21
your story that you keep pushing out to the press
28:24
that she was a fifteen year old you and I
28:26
both know was a lie. Correct. McCauley. You are not
28:30
sentencing my question. Maxwell, You and I both know that
28:35
was a lie. Correct McCauley, you were not answering my question.
28:39
I'm asking you whether you ever met a female under
28:42
the age of eighteen that Jeffrey then hired as a
28:45
massus Pagliuca object to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
28:50
the only people I can talk about who clearly was
28:53
a massage age seventeen a masseuse was Virginia McCauley. Did
28:58
you ever meet her and then introduce her to Jeffrey Maxwell?
29:02
I don't know. I already testified. I don't recall meeting
29:05
her Maxwell Exhibit two. McCauley. So, I'm showing you a
29:09
document that we have marked as Maxwell Exhibit two. It's
29:13
a document and you produced in this matter labeled confidential
29:16
GM zero zero one zero nine. It's stated Sunday, June twelve,
29:21
twenty eleven. It's from Jeffrey Epstein to you. If you
29:25
can turn to page four, sorry, can you turn to
29:27
the first page, the cover page initially, which is zero
29:30
zero one zero nine. If you look under the timestamp,
29:33
it says June twelve, twenty eleven at four to twelve pm.
29:37
It says redacted. Is that your email address? Maxwell? It
29:42
is McCauley. Under that, it says, thank you. I have
29:46
it now and I'm working on a letter a little.
29:49
I will send the final version tomorrow and whatever it
29:52
is will be factually accurate. Do you see that on
29:54
page one? Maxwell? I do, McCauley. Then I would like
29:59
you to turn to pay page four. Please the second
30:01
paragraph down on page four it states, after some thought,
30:05
I recall that I first met miss Roberts when she
30:08
was working at a premier resort, claiming to be eighteen
30:11
years old at a professional massuse. Mister Pagliuca, what line
30:15
are you on? Council McCauley's second paragraph down, Pagliuca, I
30:19
got it. McCauley. Is that a statement that you wrote, Maxwell?
30:24
It appears to be McCauley. So does that correct your
30:27
testimony that you did meet miss Roberts at mar A Lago? Maxwell? Again,
30:33
this was written in when were you saying, McCauley, twenty eleven? Maxwell,
30:38
So by twenty eleven, Miss Roberts had already perpetrated so
30:42
many lies and stories it's hard for me to accurately
30:45
tell you today what I remember back then. As I
30:48
sit here today, the testimony I give you today, I
30:51
do not recollect it. McCauley, Do you have a reason
30:55
to say that this document that you wrote is incorrect? Maxwell? Well,
31:00
it's in twenty eleven. I can't possibly tell you what
31:03
I remember in twenty eleven. McCauley. Are you questioning that
31:08
this document is incorrect? This document, this email that you wrote, Maxwell,
31:12
I wrote an email I was trying to be accurate.
31:14
So who knows with all the rubbish you guys have
31:17
put out in the press that I read, maybe in
31:19
the moment I wrote it, a memory came to me.
31:22
And I don't know. But as I sit here today
31:25
and the testimony I gave you today is I don't
31:28
recollect it. McCauley. Does this refresh your recollection that you
31:32
were called meeting miss Roberts at mar A Lago Glenn Maxwell?
31:37
It does not, McCauley. So your testimony today is that
31:41
you do not remember meeting Miss Roberts at mar A Lago. Maxwell,
31:46
I do not. I just to clarify, when you read
31:50
so much stuff and so much rubbish that comes out
31:52
from Virginia, Roberts, you don't know what's up and what's down.
31:56
At the time I wrote this, I believe I had
31:58
a memory, but as I sit here today, I do not.
32:02
All right, folks, we're going to wrap up part two there.
32:05
In the next episode, we'll pick up with part three.
32:08
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32:11
be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
32:14
welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're
32:19
going to pick back up with the Glenn Maxwell deposition
32:22
where we left off. McCauley, Miss Maxwell, when did you
32:28
first meet redacted? Mister Pagliuca object to the form and
32:33
the foundation? Maxwell, I have no idea when I met her. McCauley,
32:38
do you know how old she was when you met her? Maxwell?
32:41
Is it possible she was thirteen years old when you
32:44
first met her? Mister Pagliuca object to the form and
32:48
the foundation? Maxwell answers redacted or redacted may have been
32:52
in the house when Jeffrey was in the house. I
32:54
have no idea how old she was. McCauley, I understand redacted.
33:00
I'm asking if redacted was thirteen years old when you
33:03
first met her. Maxwell, I have no idea. McCauley, was
33:08
she under eighteen when you first met her? Maxwell? I
33:10
have no idea how old she was when I first
33:13
met her. McCauley. Did she look like a child when
33:15
you first met her? Maxwell? I don't remember what she
33:18
looked like at the time she was in the house. McCauley.
33:22
How many years have you known her? Maxwell? I can
33:25
only recall the last time I saw her. McCauley. When
33:28
was the first time that you met her? Maxwell? Again,
33:31
I just told you, I don't recall the first time
33:33
that I met her. McCauley. Did redacted travel with you
33:37
on Jeffrey Epstein's planes? Maxwell? I wouldn't remember if redacted
33:41
was on the plane or not. McCauley. Did you ever
33:44
have sex with redacted? Glenn Maxwell? No, McCauley. Did you
33:49
ever observe Jeffrey having sex with redacted? Maxwell? No? McCauley.
33:54
Were you aware that Jeffrey was having sexual contact with
33:58
redacted when she was thirteen ten years old? Mister Pagliuca
34:02
objects to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I would
34:07
be very shocked and surprised if that were true. McCauley,
34:11
were you in the house when redacted was in the
34:13
house in a private area with Jeffrey Epstein. Pagluka objects
34:17
to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, can you repeat
34:21
the question, McCauley, were you ever in the Palm Beach
34:24
House when Jeffrey Epstein was in the house with redacted
34:28
mister Pagliuca object to the form and the foundation? Glenn Maxwell,
34:33
I've already testified that I have met her and that
34:36
she was there redacted. I don't understand what question you're asking, McCauley.
34:42
So you have never seen redacted and redacted mister Pagliuca
34:47
object to the form and the foundation, McCauley, is a
34:51
your testimony? Maxwell, I already said I don't recall all
34:55
the times I've seen her, and I have no memory
34:57
of that. McCauley, Have you ever seen redacted in the
35:01
house with Jeffrey Epstein redacted, mister Pagliuca object to the
35:06
form and the Foundation? Maxwell, I just told you I
35:09
don't recall seeing redacted. McCauley, were you ever involved in
35:13
an orgy with redacted? Maxwell? No, absolutely not. McCauley, can
35:19
you tell me do you know any individual by the
35:21
name of redacted? Maxwell? I do, McCauley, how did you
35:26
meet redacted Maxwell at some point? She was a friend
35:29
of Jeffrey's and I recall meeting her at some point. McCauley,
35:34
Did you hire her? Maxwell? First of all, I don't
35:37
hire girls like that, so let's be clear. I already
35:40
testified to that, And I have no idea what you
35:42
are referring to. McCauley. When you say girls like that,
35:46
what do you mean? Maxwell? I hired people who are
35:49
professional at the house. You were asking if I hired
35:52
somebody to do what. I don't know what you were
35:54
talking about. I hired people to work in the homes. McCauley,
35:59
What was not Marsonkova doing? Mister Pagliuka object to the
36:02
form and the foundation. Maxwell, I have no idea what
36:07
Nadia Marsenkova was doing. I didn't hire her, and I
36:10
don't know what you're referring to. McCauley. Did you meet
36:14
Nadia Marsenkova Maxwell, I testified that I did, McCauley. Did
36:19
she work for Jeffrey Epstein? Glenn Maxwell, I have no
36:23
idea what she did. McCauley. Have you flown on a
36:26
plane with Nadia Marsenkova? Maxwell, I don't recollect. I don't
36:30
know if I did. McAuley. How many times have you
36:34
flown on Jeffrey Epstein's planes? Maxwell? Too many times? McCauley,
36:39
more than three hundred, Maxwell, I really couldn't tell you
36:42
how many. McCauley more than four hundred. Maxwell again, I said,
36:47
I cannot tell you how many a lot? McCauley, how
36:50
many times with redacted and redacted? Maxwell I already testified,
36:54
I have no idea. McCauley, how well was redacted when
36:59
she first became I'm involved with Jeffrey Maxwell? I have
37:03
no idea. McCauley, was she fourteen? Mister Pagliuca objects to
37:08
the form and the Foundation? Maxwell, I have no idea. McCauley,
37:13
did she look like a child the first time you
37:15
met her? Pagluka objects to the form and the Foundation asked,
37:20
An answered, McCauley, did she look like a child the
37:23
first time you met? Redacted? Glenn Maxwell, I don't know
37:27
what you mean if she looked like a child. McCauley,
37:30
Did she look like she was under the age of eighteen? Maxwell? No, McCauley,
37:35
did she look like she was under the age of sixteen? Maxwell?
37:39
I just testified First of all, I couldn't tell you
37:41
how old she was. She didn't look like a child.
37:44
Leave it at that, McCauley, did you know that she
37:47
was a child? Pagliuca object to the form and the foundation. Maxwell.
37:52
I just answered, I did not know how old she was,
37:55
and she looked like an adult. McCauley. In the time
37:59
that you travel with her on Jeffrey Epstein's planes, did
38:02
you ever ask her how old she was? Pag Luka
38:05
objects to the form and the foundation assumes facts not
38:09
in evidence. The witness already testified she doesn't remember. McCauley,
38:13
you can answer that question. Did you ever ask her
38:15
on the many flights you were with her on or
38:18
the many times you were with her at the house? Maxwell?
38:22
First of all, I don't know I was on many
38:24
flights with her. You were making stories up again as usual.
38:28
And secondly, if I was on a flight with her,
38:30
there would not be any reason why I would ask
38:33
her how old she was. McCauley, you don't recollect having
38:36
any conversation with her about her age. Maxwell, I already
38:40
testified to that. McCauley, do you know what redacted was
38:44
hired to do for Jeffrey Maxwell, I already testified I
38:48
didn't know she was hired, and I don't know what
38:51
she did anything. I don't know how to answer that question. McCauley,
38:55
was Redacted at the house, the Palm Beach House when
38:58
you were present at the house. Pagliuca objects to the Foundation. Maxwell,
39:04
I have no recollection of her being at the house
39:06
at the same time as me. McCauley, when did you
39:10
first meet redacted? Maxwell? I already told you I don't recall. McCauley,
39:14
do you recall anything about redacted? Maxwell? That she was
39:18
tall and blonde. McCauley, do you recall redacted interacting with
39:23
other females at the house? Maxwell? No, I do not. McCauley,
39:28
did you arrange to get a visa for redacted to
39:30
come to this country? Packluka objects to the Form and
39:34
the Foundation. Maxwell answers absolutely not. McCauley. Did Jeffrey arrange
39:40
for a visa for redacted? Mister Pagliuca, you need to
39:45
give me a break so I can interpose an objection.
39:48
Object to the form and the foundation. McCauley, you can
39:51
answer Maxwell, what was the question? McCauley, did Jeffrey arrange
39:56
for a visa for redacted. Maxwell, I don't don't know
40:00
what Jeffrey did. I cannot testify to what Jeffrey did.
40:03
McCauley was redacted involved in sex with Jeffrey and other girls?
40:08
Pagliuca object to the form and the foundation. McCauley girls
40:14
under the age of eighteen. Pagliuca, same objection. Maxwell, I
40:18
have no idea. McCauley was redacted involved with sex with
40:22
Jeffrey and girls over the age of eighteen. Mister Pagliuca,
40:26
same objection, Maxwell, I have no idea. McCauley did redacted
40:31
or recruit other girls to have sex with Jeffrey. Pagliuca
40:35
object to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I have
40:39
no idea. McCauley, do you still talk to or redacted? Maxwell?
40:44
No McCauley, redacted. Maxwell, I have no idea redacted redacted redacted? Maxwell,
40:52
I have no idea. McCauley. Are you a pilot? Maxwell,
40:56
I am McCauley. Have you flown with redacted? Maxwell? I
41:00
have McCauley. Have you flown with redacted? Maxwell? What do
41:06
you mean by flowing? McCauley. Have you been on a
41:08
plane with her? Maxwell? I already testified I don't recall
41:12
having her on a plane with me. McCauley. Do you
41:16
know redacted, Glenn Maxwell? I do, McCauley. When did you
41:20
first meet her? Maxwell? I don't recall the exact dates. McCauley.
41:25
Did you meet her with the purpose of hiring her
41:27
to work for Jeffrey Epstein or having Jeffrey hirer Pagluka
41:32
objects to the form and the Foundation? Maxwell? No, McCauley.
41:38
What was her relationship with Jeffrey pack Luka object to
41:41
the form and the Foundation? Maxwell? I don't know exactly
41:45
the nature of a relationship, but she worked for him. McCauley.
41:49
What did she do pack Leuka object to the form
41:53
and the foundation? Maxwell at the time when she was
41:57
with him, I believe she traveled with him and helped
41:59
him with the travel arrangements. McCauley. Did she bring girls
42:03
to the house to give massages to Jeffrey Packleuka object
42:07
to the form and the Foundation? Maxwell? I don't know
42:11
what Blank did, McCauley, so you never observe redacted bringing
42:16
girls to the home to give massages to Jeffrey. Pagliuca
42:20
object to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I don't
42:24
understand the question, what did you mean bring McCauley, did
42:28
you ever observe redacted inviting bringing walking anyone into the
42:33
home to give a massage to mister Epstein? Pagluka object
42:37
to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I don't recollect
42:40
anything like that. McCauley, Are you aware that redacted was
42:44
a co conspirator named as a co conspirator in the
42:47
case involving Jeffrey Epstein. Packleuka objects to the form and
42:51
the foundation and also calls for a legal conclusion. McCauley,
42:56
I'm just asking if she is aware of that. Maxwell.
42:59
I'm aware, McCauley, who paid redacted? Maxwell? I have no idea. McCauley,
43:05
did you ever arrange payment for any of the employees
43:07
at the home? Pack Leuka object to the form, Maxwell,
43:11
what do you mean by arrange? McCauley, were you ever
43:14
in charge or responsible for paying individuals at the home
43:17
that work there? Maxwell, people had salaries and they were
43:21
paid by the office. McCauley, did you ever pay an individual?
43:25
Did you ever hand an individual cash for work they performed?
43:29
Pack Leuka objective form? Maxwell, can you be more specific
43:33
about what you were asking me? McCauley did you ever
43:37
hand any individual who was working at the home cash's
43:40
payment for something that they had performed at the home?
43:43
Pag Leuka object to the form. Maxwell. To the best
43:46
of my recollection, there were very few times where I
43:49
would leave some cash for people for work performed, McCauley.
43:53
And what type of work was being performed where you
43:56
would be doing that, Maxwell, If I left cash for
43:59
the pool guy, I would have left potentially some cash
44:02
for the gardener, potentially for exercise instructors, and sometimes for
44:07
massage therapy McCauley. How much were the massage therapists paid.
44:12
Pagliuca object to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell. They
44:17
get paid between one hundred and two hundred dollars. McCauley.
44:21
Did it very based on what sexual acts they performed.
44:24
Pagliuca object to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell. No,
44:29
it varied depending on how much time. Some massage therapists
44:32
charge more and some charge less. McCauley. Did the massage
44:36
therapists that were hired to come to the home perform
44:39
sexual acts for Jeffrey Epstein. Pagliuca objects to the form
44:43
and the foundation. Maxwell, what are you asking me, McCauley,
44:49
I'm asking if the massage therapists Maxwell, Are you asking
44:53
me about underage girls? McCauley, I'm asking in general, did
44:57
any of the massage therapists in the home? Max Well
45:00
cuts her off. Are you asking if they were paid
45:02
for sexual acts? McCauley, I'm asking if they perform sexual acts?
45:07
Mister Pagliuca objective the form and the foundation. McCauley, did
45:12
any of the massage therapists who are at the home
45:15
perform sexual acts for Jeffrey Epstein? Glenn Maxwell, I don't
45:19
know what you mean by sexual acts, McCauley. Did any
45:22
of the massage therapists who are working at the home
45:25
perform sexual acts, including touching the breast, touching the vaginal area,
45:29
being touched while Jeffrey is masturbating, having intercourse? Any of
45:34
those things? Pagliuca objection form and foundation to the extent
45:39
any of this is asking for you, to your knowledge,
45:41
any consensual sex act that you may or may not
45:44
have been involved with. I'm instructing you not to answer
45:47
the question. McCauley. I'm not asking about consensual sex. I'm
45:52
asking whether any of the massage therapists perform sexual acts
45:56
for mister Epstein, as I have just described, Maxwell, I
46:00
have never seen anybody have sexual intercourse with Jeffrey ever. McCauley,
46:06
I'm not asking about sexual intercourse. I'm asking about any
46:09
sexual act touching of the breast did you ever see?
46:12
Can you read back the question the record read, Glenn Maxwell,
46:16
I'm not addressing any questions about consensual adult sex. If
46:20
you want to talk about what the subject matter, which
46:22
is defamation in lying Virginia Roberts that you and Virginia
46:26
Roberts are participating in perpetuating her lies, I'm happy to
46:30
address those. I never saw any inappropriate underage activities with
46:35
Jeffrey Epstein. McCauley, I'm not asking about underage I'm asking
46:40
about whether any of the messuses that were at the
46:43
home performed sexual acts for Jeffrey Epstein. Glenn Maxwell, I
46:49
have just answered the question. McCauley. No you haven't, Maxwell,
46:53
I have. McCauley, No you haven't, Maxwell, Yes, I have. McCauley,
46:59
you were a few using to answer the question. Maxwell.
47:02
Let's move on. McCauley. I'm in charge of the deposition.
47:05
I say when we move on and when we don't.
47:08
You were here to respond to my questions. If you
47:10
were refusing to answer, the court will bring you back
47:13
for another deposition to answer these questions. Do you understand that, Pagliuka,
47:18
you don't need to threaten the witness. McCauley. I'm not
47:21
threatening her. I'm making sure the record is clear. Pagliuka. Certainly,
47:25
can you apply to have someone back and the court
47:28
may or may not have her come back again. She
47:30
is not answering questions that relate to adult consent sex acts, period,
47:35
and that's the instruction that we can take it up
47:37
with the court. McCauley, Miss Maxwell, are you aware of
47:40
any sexual acts with Messuses and Jeffrey Epstein that were
47:44
non consensual? Maxwell know? McCauley, how do you know that? Maxwell?
47:49
All the times that I have been in the house,
47:51
I have never seen heard, nor witness, nor have reported
47:55
to me that any activities took place that people were
47:58
in distress, either reported to me by the staff or
48:01
anyone else. I base my answer based on that. All right, folks,
48:05
we're gonna wrap up this episode here and in the
48:08
next episode we're gonna pick up where we left off.
48:11
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48:14
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