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The history of The Lord of the Rings & The Lord of the Rings (1978) [Part 1 of 5] · Verbal Diorama

3:10
Hi
3:10
everyone,
3:10
I'm
3:11
Em
3:11
and
3:11
welcome
3:11
to
3:12
verbal
3:12
diorama.
3:13
Episode
3:13
297,
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the
3:16
History
3:16
and
3:16
Legacy
3:17
of
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the
3:17
Lord
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of
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the
3:18
Rings
3:19
and
3:19
the
3:19
Lord
3:19
of
3:20
the
3:20
Rings
3:20
1978.
3:22
This
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is
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the
3:23
podcast
3:23
that's
3:23
all
3:23
about
3:23
the
3:24
history
3:24
and
3:24
legacy
3:24
of
3:25
Movies
3:25
yous
3:25
Know
3:25
and
3:26
Movies
3:26
yous
3:26
Don't.
3:27
That's
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also
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the
3:28
first
3:28
part
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of
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the
3:29
story.
3:30
Except
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I'm
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definitely
3:31
going
3:32
to
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be
3:32
coming
3:32
back
3:32
for
3:32
more.
3:33
Unlike
3:34
Ralph
3:34
Bakshi.
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Welcome
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to
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Verbal
3:37
Diorama.
3:38
Whether
3:38
you
3:38
are
3:38
a
3:38
brand
3:38
new
3:39
listener
3:39
to
3:39
this
3:39
podcast,
3:40
whether
3:40
you
3:40
are
3:40
a
3:40
regular
3:41
returning
3:41
listener,
3:42
thank
3:42
you
3:42
for
3:43
being
3:43
here.
3:43
Thank
3:43
you
3:43
for
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choosing
3:44
to
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listen
3:44
to
3:44
this
3:44
podcast.
3:45
I'm
3:45
so
3:46
happy
3:46
to
3:46
have
3:46
you
3:46
here
3:47
for
3:47
the
3:47
History
3:47
and
3:47
Legacy
3:48
of
3:48
the
3:49
Lord
3:49
of
3:49
the
3:49
Rings
3:50
and
3:50
the
3:50
Lord
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of
3:51
the
3:51
Rings
3:51
1978.
3:54
This
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is
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the
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first
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of
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a
3:56
five
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part
3:57
podcast
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special
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to
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celebrate
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300
4:00
episodes
4:00
of
4:00
this
4:00
podcast.
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And
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yes,
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I
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am
4:02
delving
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into
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the
4:04
complete
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history
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and
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legacy
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of
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the
4:07
Lord
4:07
of
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the
4:08
Rings.
4:09
Huge
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thank
4:10
you
4:10
to
4:10
everyone
4:11
who
4:11
listens
4:11
to
4:12
this
4:12
podcast,
4:12
supports
4:13
this
4:13
podcast
4:13
and
4:14
has
4:14
continued
4:15
to
4:15
listen
4:15
and
4:16
support
4:16
this
4:16
podcast
4:17
over
4:17
the
4:17
last
4:18
six
4:18
years
4:18
and
4:19
almost
4:19
300
4:20
episodes.
4:21
It
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genuinely
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means
4:22
so
4:23
much
4:23
to
4:23
have
4:23
your
4:24
support,
4:24
to
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have
4:25
had
4:25
you
4:25
with
4:26
me
4:26
on
4:26
this
4:26
journey.
4:27
A
4:27
little
4:27
bit
4:27
like
4:28
the
4:28
journey
4:28
that
4:28
Frodo
4:29
and
4:29
Sam
4:29
go
4:29
on.
4:30
And
4:31
here
4:31
we
4:31
are,
4:31
the
4:31
run
4:32
up
4:32
to
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the
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300th
4:33
episode
4:34
so
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just
4:34
to
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summarize
4:35
what
4:35
the
4:36
five
4:36
episodes
4:37
are
4:37
actually
4:37
going
4:37
to
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be
4:38
on,
4:38
if
4:38
you
4:39
don't
4:39
know
4:39
or
4:39
you're
4:40
unsure.
4:41
So
4:41
this
4:42
episode
4:43
will
4:43
be
4:43
on
4:43
the
4:43
history
4:44
of
4:44
the
4:44
Lord
4:45
of
4:45
the
4:45
rings
4:46
and
4:46
the
4:46
1978
4:47
Ralph
4:48
Bakshi
4:48
animated
4:49
version
4:49
of
4:49
the
4:50
Lord
4:50
of
4:50
the
4:50
Rings.
4:51
The
4:51
next
4:51
three
4:51
episodes
4:52
are
4:52
going
4:52
to
4:52
be
4:52
focusing
4:53
on
4:53
Peter
4:53
Jackson's
4:54
trilogy,
4:55
and
4:55
then
4:56
the
4:56
final
4:56
episode
4:57
will
4:57
be
4:57
on
4:58
last
4:58
year's
4:59
anime
4:59
the
5:00
Lord
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of
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the
5:00
the
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War
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of
5:01
the
5:01
Rohirrin.
5:02
So
5:03
it's
5:03
basically
5:04
the
5:04
history
5:04
and
5:05
legacy
5:05
of
5:05
the
5:05
Lord
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of
5:05
the
5:06
Rings
5:06
focusing
5:07
on
5:07
Peter
5:08
Jackson
5:08
trilogy,
5:09
But
5:09
sandwiched
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between
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two
5:11
animated
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versions
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of
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the
5:12
Lord
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of
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the
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Rings,
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Ralph
5:14
Bakshi's
5:14
the
5:15
Lord
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of
5:15
the
5:15
Rings
5:15
from
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1978,
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which
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we're
5:16
going
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to
5:17
be
5:17
talking
5:17
about
5:17
in
5:18
this
5:18
episode,
5:19
and
5:19
the
5:20
Lord
5:20
of
5:20
the
5:20
the
5:21
War
5:21
of
5:21
the
5:21
Rohirrin,
5:22
which,
5:22
as
5:23
of
5:23
recording
5:23
this
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episode,
5:24
came
5:24
out
5:25
last
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year.
5:26
Some
5:26
brief
5:27
caveats
5:28
while
5:28
I've
5:28
got
5:28
you.
5:29
So
5:30
these
5:30
episodes
5:31
will
5:31
contain
5:31
brief
5:31
mentions
5:32
of
5:32
the
5:32
Hobbit,
5:33
especially
5:34
when
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we're
5:35
talking
5:35
about
5:35
attempted
5:36
adaptations
5:37
of
5:37
Tolkien's
5:37
work.
5:38
But
5:38
I'll
5:38
not
5:39
really
5:39
be
5:39
going
5:40
into
5:40
Jackson's
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three
5:41
Hobbit
5:42
movies
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at
5:42
all,
5:43
save
5:44
for
5:44
a
5:44
quick
5:44
discussion
5:45
on
5:45
the
5:45
issues
5:46
surrounding
5:46
the
5:47
rights
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to
5:47
the
5:47
Hobbit.
5:48
I'm
5:49
also
5:49
not
5:49
going
5:49
to
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be
5:49
going
5:50
into
5:50
the
5:50
Amazon
5:51
series
5:51
the
5:51
Rings
5:51
of
5:51
Power
5:52
either,
5:53
save
5:53
for,
5:54
again,
5:54
a
5:54
quick
5:54
mention
5:55
of
5:55
those
5:55
rights.
5:56
They
5:56
are
5:56
completely
5:56
separate
5:57
to
5:57
the
5:57
film
5:57
continuity.
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And
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While
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technically
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the
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1978
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movie
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isn't
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a
6:02
part
6:02
of
6:02
that
6:03
continuity,
6:04
we
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do
6:04
know
6:04
Peter
6:05
Jackson
6:05
was
6:06
partly
6:06
inspired
6:07
by
6:07
Ralph
6:07
Baksh's
6:08
version,
6:08
so
6:09
it
6:09
makes
6:09
sense
6:10
to
6:10
include
6:10
it
6:10
in
6:10
this
6:11
narrative.
6:12
And
6:12
also,
6:12
I
6:12
watched
6:13
the
6:13
movie
6:13
and
6:13
I
6:13
really,
6:14
really
6:14
wanted
6:14
to
6:14
talk
6:14
about
6:15
it.
6:15
So
6:15
this
6:16
episode
6:16
will
6:16
be
6:16
set
6:17
up
6:17
slightly
6:17
differently
6:18
to
6:18
regular
6:18
episodes,
6:19
because
6:19
we're
6:19
going
6:19
to
6:20
start
6:20
with
6:20
the
6:20
history
6:20
of
6:21
the
6:21
Lord
6:21
of
6:21
the
6:21
Rings
6:22
and
6:22
then
6:22
go
6:22
into
6:23
the
6:23
making
6:23
of
6:23
the
6:23
Ralph
6:23
Bakshi
6:24
1978
6:25
the
6:25
Lord
6:25
of
6:25
the
6:25
Rings
6:26
together
6:26
in
6:27
one
6:27
episode,
6:27
and
6:28
hopefully
6:29
one
6:29
narrative
6:30
is
6:30
going
6:30
to
6:30
flow
6:31
nicely
6:31
into
6:31
the
6:31
other.
6:32
The
6:32
plan
6:33
being
6:33
this
6:33
episode
6:34
will
6:34
be
6:34
how
6:34
the
6:35
Lord
6:35
of
6:35
the
6:35
Rings
6:36
and
6:36
Ralph
6:36
Baksh's
6:37
adaptation
6:37
came
6:38
together,
6:38
and
6:39
then
6:39
to
6:39
start
6:39
the
6:39
story
6:40
of
6:40
Peter
6:40
Jackson's
6:41
adaptations,
6:42
moving
6:42
into
6:42
next
6:43
week's
6:43
episode
6:43
onto
6:44
the
6:44
making
6:44
of
6:44
Peter
6:45
Jackson's
6:46
the
6:46
Fellowship
6:46
of
6:46
the
6:46
Ring.
6:47
But
6:47
the
6:47
history
6:48
of
6:48
the
6:48
Lord
6:48
of
6:48
the
6:48
Rings
6:49
and
6:49
the
6:49
attempts
6:49
to
6:49
bring
6:50
it
6:50
to
6:50
the
6:50
big
6:50
screen
6:51
is
6:51
just
6:52
like
6:52
the
6:52
Lord
6:52
of
6:52
the
6:53
Rings
6:53
itself,
6:54
not
6:54
a
6:54
short
6:54
story.
6:55
So
6:55
I
6:55
am
6:56
going
6:56
to
6:56
try
6:56
and
6:56
keep
6:56
it
6:57
as
6:57
condensed
6:57
as
6:58
possible,
6:58
because
6:59
we
6:59
have
6:59
a
6:59
lot
6:59
to
6:59
get
7:00
through,
7:01
but
7:01
I
7:01
want
7:02
to
7:02
start
7:02
with
7:02
JRR
7:03
Tolkien.
7:04
John
7:05
Ronald
7:05
Reald
7:06
Tolkien,
7:06
known
7:07
as
7:07
Ronald
7:07
to
7:08
his
7:08
family,
7:08
was
7:08
born
7:09
on
7:09
3
7:09
January
7:10
1892
7:11
in
7:11
Bloemfontein,
7:12
South
7:12
Africa,
7:13
where
7:13
his
7:13
father
7:14
worked
7:14
as
7:14
a
7:14
bank
7:15
manager.
7:15
His
7:16
early
7:16
childhood
7:16
was
7:17
marked
7:17
by
7:17
tragedy
7:18
when
7:18
his
7:18
father
7:19
died
7:19
of
7:19
rheumatic
7:20
fever
7:20
in
7:20
1896.
7:22
Shortly
7:22
afterward,
7:23
his
7:23
mother,
7:23
Mabel,
7:24
moved
7:24
with
7:25
young
7:25
Ronald
7:25
and
7:26
his
7:26
brother
7:26
Hilary
7:27
back
7:27
to
7:27
England
7:28
in
7:28
Sahol,
7:29
a
7:29
rural
7:29
village
7:30
near
7:30
Birmingham
7:31
that
7:31
would
7:31
later
7:31
inspire
7:32
the
7:32
Shire.
7:33
Tragedy
7:34
struck
7:34
again
7:35
when
7:35
Mabel
7:35
died
7:36
in
7:36
1904
7:37
from
7:37
diabetes,
7:38
leaving
7:38
the
7:38
brothers
7:39
orphaned
7:39
at
7:40
ages
7:40
12
7:40
and
7:41
10.
7:42
Father
7:42
Francis
7:43
Morgan,
7:43
a
7:43
Catholic
7:44
priest,
7:44
became
7:45
their
7:45
guardian.
7:46
Tolkien's
7:47
deep
7:47
Catholic
7:47
faith,
7:48
instilled
7:49
by
7:49
his
7:49
mother
7:49
and
7:49
reinforced
7:50
by
7:50
Father
7:51
Morgan,
7:51
would
7:52
remain
7:52
a
7:52
cornerstone
7:53
of
7:53
his
7:53
life
7:54
and
7:54
influence
7:55
his
7:55
works.
7:56
Tolkien
7:57
attended
7:57
King
7:57
Edward's
7:58
School
7:58
in
7:58
Birmingham,
7:58
where
7:58
he
7:59
excelled
7:59
in
7:59
languages.
8:00
He
8:01
developed
8:01
a
8:01
love
8:01
for
8:01
Old
8:02
and
8:02
Middle
8:02
English,
8:03
Welsh,
8:03
Finnish
8:04
and
8:04
Gothic.
8:05
His
8:06
fascination
8:06
with
8:06
languages
8:07
led
8:07
him
8:07
to
8:07
create
8:08
his
8:08
own
8:08
invented
8:09
languages,
8:09
a
8:10
hobby
8:10
that
8:10
would
8:10
later
8:11
form
8:11
the
8:11
foundation
8:11
of
8:12
his
8:12
fictional
8:13
worlds.
8:14
In
8:14
1911,
8:15
Tolkien
8:15
enrolled
8:16
at
8:16
Exeter
8:16
College,
8:17
Oxford,
8:17
studying
8:18
classics,
8:18
but
8:19
later
8:19
switched
8:19
to
8:20
English
8:20
language
8:20
and
8:21
literature.
8:22
His
8:22
studies
8:22
were
8:22
interrupted
8:23
by
8:23
the
8:23
First
8:24
World
8:24
War,
8:24
where
8:24
He
8:24
enlisted
8:25
in
8:25
June
8:25
1916
8:26
and
8:27
served
8:27
as
8:27
a
8:27
lieutenant
8:28
in
8:28
the
8:28
Lancashire
8:28
Fusiliers.
8:29
He
8:30
participated
8:30
in
8:31
the
8:31
Battle
8:31
of
8:31
the
8:31
Somme,
8:32
one
8:32
of
8:32
the
8:32
war's
8:32
bloodiest
8:33
conflicts,
8:34
but
8:34
was
8:34
eventually
8:35
sent
8:35
home
8:35
after
8:36
contracting
8:36
trench
8:37
fever.
8:38
The
8:38
horror
8:38
and
8:38
camaraderie
8:39
he
8:39
experienced
8:40
in
8:40
the
8:40
trenches
8:41
also
8:42
profoundly
8:42
influenced
8:43
his
8:43
later
8:44
writings.
8:45
During
8:46
his
8:46
recovery,
8:46
Tolkien
8:47
began
8:47
developing
8:47
his
8:48
mythology,
8:49
writing
8:49
what
8:49
would
8:49
later
8:50
become
8:50
the
8:50
Cimmerillion.
8:52
After
8:52
the
8:52
war,
8:52
he
8:53
worked
8:53
briefly
8:53
on
8:53
the
8:54
Oxford
8:54
English
8:54
Dictionary
8:55
before
8:55
securing
8:56
academic
8:56
positions,
8:57
first
8:57
at
8:58
the
8:58
University
8:58
of
8:58
Leeds
8:59
and
8:59
later
8:59
at
8:59
Oxford
9:00
University,
9:01
where
9:01
he
9:01
became
9:02
the
9:02
Rawlingson
9:02
and
9:03
Bosworth
9:03
professor
9:03
of
9:04
anglo
9:04
Saxon
9:04
in
9:05
1925.
9:06
In
9:07
March
9:07
1916,
9:08
Tolkien
9:09
married
9:09
Edith
9:09
Bratt,
9:10
his
9:10
childhood
9:11
sweetheart,
9:11
with
9:12
whom
9:12
he
9:12
had
9:12
four
9:13
John,
9:14
Michael,
9:15
Christopher
9:15
and
9:15
Priscilla.
9:16
Their
9:17
family
9:17
life
9:17
was
9:18
centred
9:18
around
9:18
his
9:19
academic
9:19
career,
9:20
their
9:20
shared
9:20
Catholic
9:21
faith
9:21
and
9:21
Tolkien's
9:22
writing,
9:23
much
9:23
of
9:23
which
9:23
he
9:24
would
9:24
read
9:24
aloud
9:24
to
9:25
his
9:25
children.
9:26
The
9:26
Hobbit
9:27
emerged
9:27
from
9:27
Tolkien's
9:28
habit
9:28
of
9:29
telling
9:29
stories
9:29
to
9:29
his
9:30
children.
9:31
One
9:31
day
9:31
in
9:31
the
9:31
early
9:32
1930s,
9:32
while
9:33
grading
9:33
examination
9:34
papers,
9:35
he
9:35
wrote,
9:35
on
9:35
a
9:36
blank
9:36
page,
9:37
in
9:37
a
9:37
hole
9:37
in
9:38
the
9:38
ground,
9:38
there
9:38
lived
9:39
a
9:39
Hobbit.
9:40
This
9:40
spontaneous
9:41
sentence
9:41
sparked
9:42
his
9:42
curiosity,
9:43
leading
9:43
him
9:43
to
9:44
develop
9:44
the
9:44
story
9:44
of
9:45
Bilbo
9:45
Baggins.
9:46
The
9:47
manuscript
9:47
circled
9:47
among
9:48
friends,
9:48
including
9:49
fellow
9:49
author
9:50
C.S.
9:50
lewis,
9:51
who
9:51
encouraged
9:52
its
9:52
publication.
9:53
It
9:53
eventually
9:54
reached
9:54
the
9:54
publishing
9:54
house
9:55
Alden
9:55
and
9:55
Unwin,
9:56
who
9:56
released
9:57
it
9:57
in
9:57
1937
9:58
to
9:58
unexpected
9:59
commercial
9:59
success.
10:00
The
10:01
publisher
10:01
promptly
10:02
requested
10:02
A
10:02
sequel.
10:04
What
10:04
began
10:04
as
10:05
a
10:05
simple
10:05
follow
10:05
up
10:05
to
10:06
the
10:06
Hobbit
10:06
evolved
10:07
into
10:07
the
10:07
epic
10:08
the
10:08
Lord
10:08
of
10:08
the
10:08
Rings.
10:09
Tolkien
10:10
worked
10:10
on
10:10
it
10:10
for
10:11
over
10:11
a
10:11
decade,
10:12
drawing
10:12
from
10:12
his
10:13
vast
10:13
knowledge
10:13
of
10:13
mythology,
10:14
linguistics
10:15
and
10:16
his
10:16
own
10:16
well
10:16
developed
10:17
fictional
10:17
world.
10:18
The
10:18
novel
10:19
expanded
10:19
in
10:19
scope
10:20
and
10:20
complexity,
10:21
becoming
10:21
a
10:21
profound
10:22
exploration
10:22
of
10:23
themes
10:23
like
10:23
power,
10:24
corruption,
10:25
friendship
10:25
and
10:26
sacrifice.
10:27
The
10:27
creation
10:27
of
10:28
the
10:28
novels
10:28
was
10:28
deeply
10:29
influenced
10:29
by
10:29
his
10:30
linguistic
10:30
interests.
10:31
Tolkien
10:32
had
10:32
been
10:32
creating
10:33
fictional
10:33
languages
10:34
since
10:34
his
10:34
youth.
10:35
His
10:35
invented
10:36
Elvish
10:36
languages
10:37
actually
10:38
preceded
10:38
the
10:39
stories.
10:39
He
10:40
created
10:40
the
10:40
world
10:40
of
10:41
Middle
10:41
Earth
10:41
largely
10:42
as
10:42
a
10:42
setting
10:43
where
10:43
these
10:43
languages
10:44
could
10:44
exist.
10:45
He
10:45
drew
10:46
heavily
10:46
from
10:46
Norse
10:46
and
10:47
Germanic
10:47
mythology,
10:48
incorporating
10:49
elements
10:49
like
10:49
magical
10:50
rings,
10:50
quests
10:51
and
10:51
mythical
10:52
creatures.
10:52
The
10:53
traumatic
10:53
experiences
10:54
of
10:54
trench
10:54
warfare
10:55
during
10:55
the
10:55
First
10:56
World
10:56
War
10:56
influenced
10:57
his
10:57
portrayal
10:58
of
10:58
war
10:58
and
10:58
the
10:59
industrialised
10:59
evil
11:00
of
11:00
Mordor.
11:01
The
11:01
contrast
11:02
between
11:02
the
11:02
idyllic
11:02
Shire
11:03
and
11:03
the
11:03
industrial
11:04
wastelands
11:04
of
11:04
Isengard
11:05
and
11:05
Mordor
11:06
reflected
11:07
Tolkien's
11:07
dismay
11:08
at
11:08
the
11:08
destruction
11:09
of
11:09
the
11:09
English
11:09
countryside
11:10
during
11:10
industrialization
11:12
due
11:13
to
11:13
post
11:13
war
11:13
paper
11:14
shortages
11:14
and
11:14
publishing
11:15
constraints.
11:16
The
11:16
Lord
11:16
of
11:16
the
11:16
Rings
11:17
was
11:17
published
11:17
in
11:17
three
11:18
volumes
11:18
between
11:19
1954
11:20
and
11:20
1955.
11:21
While
11:22
initially
11:22
receiving
11:22
mixed
11:23
reviews,
11:23
it
11:23
gradually
11:24
gained
11:24
a
11:25
devoted
11:25
following
11:25
and
11:26
eventually
11:26
became
11:27
one
11:27
of
11:27
the
11:27
most
11:27
influential
11:28
works
11:28
of
11:29
fantasy
11:29
literature.
11:30
Tolkien
11:31
retired
11:31
from
11:31
Oxford
11:32
in
11:32
1959,
11:33
but
11:33
continued
11:33
to
11:34
work
11:34
on
11:34
his
11:34
Middle
11:35
Earth
11:35
stories.
11:36
He
11:36
died
11:36
on
11:37
2
11:37
September
11:38
1973
11:39
at
11:39
the
11:40
age
11:40
of
11:40
81,
11:41
leaving
11:41
behind
11:42
a
11:42
literary
11:42
legacy
11:43
that
11:43
transformed
11:44
the
11:44
fantasy
11:44
genre
11:45
and
11:45
continues
11:46
to
11:46
captivate
11:46
readers
11:47
worldwide.
11:48
His
11:48
son
11:48
Christopher
11:49
Tolkien
11:50
later
11:50
edited
11:50
and
11:50
published
11:51
many
11:51
of
11:51
his
11:51
father's
11:52
unfinished
11:52
works,
11:53
including
11:53
the
11:54
Silmarillion,
11:55
providing
11:56
a
11:56
more
11:56
complete
11:56
picture
11:57
of
11:57
the
11:57
rich
11:57
mythology
11:58
that
11:58
underpinned
11:59
Middle
11:59
Earth.
12:00
The
12:00
Lord
12:01
of
12:01
the
12:01
Rings
12:01
and
12:01
the
12:01
Hobbit
12:02
are
12:02
set
12:02
during
12:02
the
12:03
Third
12:03
Age
12:03
of
12:03
Middle
12:04
Earth,
12:04
while
12:04
the
12:05
first
12:05
and
12:05
Second
12:05
Ages
12:06
are
12:06
primarily
12:07
explored
12:07
in
12:08
the
12:08
Silmarillion
12:09
and
12:09
Finnish
12:09
Tales
12:10
and
12:10
the
12:10
History
12:11
of
12:11
Middle
12:11
Earth,
12:12
all
12:12
of
12:12
which
12:12
were
12:12
edited
12:13
and
12:13
published
12:13
posthumously
12:14
by
12:14
Christopher
12:15
Tolkien.
12:17
Now,
12:17
of
12:17
course,
12:17
Tolkien's
12:18
stories
12:18
haven't
12:19
just
12:19
been
12:19
adapted
12:19
in
12:20
film,
12:20
but
12:21
also
12:21
on
12:21
radio,
12:22
on
12:22
stage,
12:23
in
12:24
video
12:24
games,
12:24
and
12:25
in
12:25
recorded
12:25
readings
12:26
and
12:26
listing.
12:27
All
12:27
adaptations
12:28
and
12:28
everything
12:29
would
12:29
make
12:29
this
12:29
episode
12:30
unnecessarily
12:31
long.
12:31
So
12:31
I'll
12:32
just
12:32
be
12:32
focusing
12:33
on
12:33
the
12:33
authorized
12:34
film
12:34
adaptations.
12:35
There
12:35
have
12:36
been
12:36
plenty
12:36
of
12:37
unlicensed
12:37
adaptations
12:38
across
12:38
Europe
12:39
and
12:39
the
12:39
Soviet
12:40
Union
12:40
in
12:40
the
12:40
70s
12:41
and
12:41
80s.
12:42
Tolkien's
12:43
work
12:44
was
12:44
considered
12:44
unfilmable
12:45
for
12:45
a
12:45
long
12:46
time,
12:46
but
12:46
a
12:46
year
12:47
after
12:47
Tolkien
12:48
published
12:48
The
12:48
Hobbit
12:48
in
12:49
1937,
12:50
Walt
12:50
Disney
12:51
was
12:51
already
12:51
contemplating
12:52
making
12:52
an
12:53
animated
12:53
version
12:54
of
12:54
it.
12:54
In
12:54
1938,
12:56
in
12:56
a
12:56
message,
12:57
one
12:57
of
12:57
Disney's
12:57
animators
12:58
proposed
12:59
that
12:59
the
12:59
Then
12:59
developing
13:00
Fantasia
13:01
could
13:01
integrate
13:02
visuals
13:02
from
13:03
the
13:03
Hobbit
13:03
and
13:04
Richard
13:04
Wagner's
13:05
ring.
13:06
In
13:06
the
13:06
1950s,
13:07
Walt
13:07
Disney
13:08
planned
13:08
to
13:08
produce
13:09
a
13:09
Lord
13:09
of
13:09
the
13:09
Rings
13:10
animated
13:10
feature,
13:11
but
13:11
his
13:11
storyboard
13:12
artists
13:12
thought
13:13
it
13:13
would
13:13
be
13:13
too
13:13
complicated,
13:14
too
13:14
long
13:15
and
13:15
too
13:15
terrifying
13:16
for
13:16
the
13:16
studio.
13:17
According
13:17
to
13:17
animator
13:18
Wolfgang
13:18
Reitherman,
13:19
storyboard
13:20
artist
13:21
Vance
13:21
Gerry
13:21
submitted
13:22
a
13:22
pitch
13:22
for
13:22
an
13:23
animated
13:23
version
13:23
of
13:23
the
13:24
Hobbit
13:24
in
13:24
1972,
13:25
but
13:26
he
13:26
acknowledged
13:26
that
13:26
the
13:26
Disney
13:27
studios
13:27
had
13:28
never
13:28
done
13:28
a
13:28
cartoon
13:29
with
13:29
this
13:29
much
13:29
material
13:30
and
13:30
that
13:31
there
13:31
was
13:31
much
13:31
more
13:32
happening
13:32
in
13:32
the
13:32
story
13:33
than
13:33
they
13:33
could
13:33
possibly
13:34
ever
13:34
use.
13:35
Now,
13:36
the
13:36
film
13:36
rights
13:36
to
13:36
the
13:37
Hobbit
13:37
and
13:37
the
13:37
Lord
13:38
of
13:38
the
13:38
Rings
13:38
are
13:38
often
13:39
interchangeable,
13:40
sometimes
13:41
together,
13:41
sometimes
13:41
separate.
13:42
William
13:43
L.
13:43
Snyder's
13:43
Rembrandt
13:44
Films
13:44
bought
13:45
the
13:45
rights
13:45
for
13:45
the
13:45
Hobbit
13:46
in
13:46
1964,
13:47
intending
13:48
to
13:48
make
13:48
a
13:49
full
13:49
length
13:49
colour
13:50
animated
13:50
feature.
13:51
He
13:51
ran
13:52
out
13:52
of
13:52
time
13:52
though,
13:53
and
13:53
a
13:53
short
13:53
animated
13:54
film
13:54
of
13:54
12
13:54
minutes
13:55
long
13:55
was
13:56
made
13:56
purely
13:56
to
13:56
retain
13:57
those
13:57
rights.
13:58
Also
13:58
known
13:58
as
13:58
an
13:59
ashcan
13:59
copy,
14:00
the
14:00
single
14:01
screening
14:01
in
14:01
a
14:02
Manhattan
14:02
Theatre
14:02
on
14:02
30
14:03
June
14:04
1967
14:05
fulfilled
14:05
the
14:05
contractual
14:06
obligation
14:07
to
14:07
produce
14:07
a
14:08
colour
14:08
film.
14:09
Snyder
14:10
then
14:10
sold
14:10
the
14:11
rights
14:11
back
14:11
to
14:11
Tolkien.
14:12
The
14:12
film's
14:13
existence
14:13
was
14:13
known
14:14
to
14:14
Tolkien
14:14
scholars,
14:15
but
14:15
remained
14:15
largely
14:16
unseen
14:16
for
14:16
many
14:17
years.
14:17
It
14:18
has
14:18
since
14:18
resurfaced
14:19
and
14:19
can
14:19
now
14:20
be
14:20
found
14:20
online.
14:22
United
14:22
Artists
14:23
entered
14:23
negotiations
14:24
with
14:24
Tolkien
14:25
for
14:25
the
14:25
rights
14:25
to
14:26
the
14:26
Lord
14:26
of
14:26
the
14:26
Rings
14:26
with
14:27
an
14:27
option
14:27
for
14:27
The
14:27
Hobbit
14:28
in
14:28
1967,
14:29
with
14:30
a
14:30
plan
14:30
to
14:30
make
14:31
a
14:31
single
14:31
three
14:32
hour
14:32
live
14:32
action
14:33
adaptation
14:34
of
14:34
the
14:35
Lord
14:35
of
14:35
the
14:35
Rings
14:35
written
14:36
by
14:36
Peter
14:36
Schaeffer.
14:37
United
14:38
Artists
14:38
eventually
14:39
acquired
14:39
the
14:39
film
14:39
rights
14:40
to
14:40
both
14:40
the
14:40
Hobbit
14:41
and
14:41
the
14:41
Lord
14:42
of
14:42
the
14:42
rings
14:42
in
14:42
1969
14:43
from
14:43
Tolkien
14:44
with
14:44
7.5%
14:45
of
14:46
gross
14:46
receipts
14:46
minus
14:47
expenses
14:48
to
14:48
be
14:48
paid
14:48
to
14:48
Tolkien.
14:50
In
14:50
the
14:50
meantime,
14:51
United
14:51
Artists
14:52
had
14:52
signed
14:52
the
14:52
Beatles
14:53
to
14:53
a
14:53
three
14:53
picture
14:54
deal.
14:54
Both
14:55
of
14:55
their
14:55
earlier
14:55
films,
14:56
A
14:56
Hard
14:56
Day's
14:56
Night
14:57
and
14:57
Help,
14:57
were
14:58
box
14:58
office
14:58
hits,
14:59
and
14:59
negotiations
15:00
for
15:00
the
15:00
Beatles
15:00
third
15:01
film
15:01
were
15:01
initiated
15:02
by
15:02
Dennis
15:03
Odell,
15:03
the
15:03
head
15:03
of
15:04
Apple
15:04
Films,
15:04
once
15:05
it
15:05
became
15:05
evident
15:05
that
15:06
the
15:06
animated
15:06
Yellow
15:07
Submarine
15:08
would
15:08
not
15:08
be
15:08
included
15:09
in
15:09
the
15:10
three
15:10
picture
15:10
agreement.
15:11
When
15:12
Odell
15:12
learned
15:12
that
15:13
United
15:13
Artists
15:13
were
15:14
in
15:14
negotiations
15:15
for
15:15
the
15:15
rights
15:15
to
15:15
the
15:16
Lord
15:16
of
15:16
the
15:16
Rings,
15:17
he
15:17
suggested
15:18
the
15:18
Beatles
15:19
star
15:19
in
15:19
the
15:20
movie.
15:20
Paul
15:21
McCartney
15:21
would
15:22
play
15:22
Frodo,
15:23
Ringo
15:23
Starr
15:24
would
15:24
be
15:24
Sam,
15:25
George
15:25
Harrison
15:26
as
15:26
Gandalf
15:27
and
15:27
John
15:27
Lennon
15:28
as
15:28
Gollum.
15:29
O'Dell
15:30
approached
15:30
Stanley
15:31
Kubrick
15:31
to
15:31
direct,
15:32
but
15:32
he
15:32
declined,
15:33
believing
15:33
the
15:33
books
15:34
were
15:34
unfilmable.
15:35
JRR
15:36
Tolkien
15:36
himself
15:37
rejected
15:37
the
15:37
proposal
15:38
as
15:39
he
15:39
was
15:39
reportedly
15:40
not
15:40
a
15:40
fan
15:40
of
15:40
the
15:40
band
15:41
and
15:41
was
15:41
protective
15:42
of
15:42
his
15:43
work.
15:43
United
15:44
Artists
15:44
held
15:44
the
15:45
film
15:45
rights
15:45
at
15:45
the
15:45
time,
15:46
but
15:46
couldn't
15:47
secure
15:47
a
15:47
director
15:48
willing
15:48
to
15:48
take
15:48
on
15:49
the
15:49
project.
15:50
After
15:50
the
15:50
Beatles
15:51
plan
15:51
fell
15:51
through,
15:52
director
15:52
John
15:53
Borman
15:53
spent
15:54
years
15:54
developing
15:55
a
15:55
single
15:55
film
15:56
adaptation.
15:57
United
15:57
Artists
15:58
assigned
15:59
Bormann
15:59
and
15:59
screenwriter
16:00
Rospo
16:00
Pallenberg
16:01
to
16:01
condense
16:02
the
16:02
entire
16:02
trilogy
16:03
into
16:04
one
16:04
film.
16:05
Their
16:05
script
16:05
featured
16:06
significant
16:06
deviations
16:07
from
16:07
the
16:07
source
16:08
material,
16:09
including
16:09
a
16:10
sexual
16:10
encounter
16:11
between
16:11
Frodo
16:11
and
16:11
Galadriel.
16:13
The
16:13
project
16:13
was
16:13
ultimately
16:14
abandoned
16:14
when
16:15
United
16:15
Artists
16:16
calculated
16:16
the
16:16
budget
16:17
would
16:17
be
16:17
prohibitively
16:18
expensive.
16:19
Borman
16:20
later
16:20
channeled
16:20
much
16:21
of
16:21
his
16:21
creative
16:21
energy
16:22
for
16:22
this
16:22
project
16:23
into
16:23
Excalibur,
16:24
his
16:25
Arthurian
16:26
legend
16:26
film
16:26
from
16:26
1981.
16:28
In
16:28
1976,
16:29
United
16:30
Artists
16:30
sold
16:31
most
16:31
of
16:31
the
16:31
rights
16:31
to
16:32
producer
16:32
Saul
16:33
Zaentz,
16:33
who
16:34
formed
16:34
Tolkien
16:35
Enterprises,
16:36
later
16:36
renamed
16:37
Middle
16:37
Earth
16:37
Enterprises.
16:38
United
16:39
Artists
16:39
did
16:39
retain
16:40
distribution
16:40
rights
16:41
to
16:41
the
16:41
Hobbit
16:42
for
16:42
a
16:42
time,
16:42
which
16:43
later
16:43
contributed
16:43
to
16:44
some
16:44
of
16:44
the
16:44
legal
16:44
complications
16:45
that
16:46
delayed
16:46
the
16:46
production
16:46
of
16:47
Peter
16:47
Jackson's
16:48
Hobbit
16:48
trilogy.
16:49
But
16:49
separate
16:49
to
16:50
Zane's
16:50
acquiring
16:51
the
16:51
rights
16:52
in
16:52
1972,
16:53
Rankin
16:54
and
16:54
Bass
16:55
wanted
16:55
to
16:55
make
16:55
their
16:56
own
16:56
TV
16:56
film
16:56
adaptation.
16:57
They
16:58
thought
16:58
the
16:58
Lord
16:58
of
16:58
the
16:59
Rings
16:59
was
16:59
an
16:59
impossible
17:00
task,
17:00
but
17:00
that
17:00
the
17:00
Hobbit
17:01
was
17:01
manageable.
17:02
They
17:03
contacted
17:03
the
17:03
Tolkien
17:04
estate,
17:04
who
17:04
declined,
17:05
but
17:05
Rankin
17:06
and
17:06
Bass
17:06
pointed
17:06
out
17:07
that
17:07
the
17:07
books
17:07
were
17:07
public
17:08
domain
17:08
in
17:08
the
17:09
U.S.
17:09
the
17:10
estate,
17:10
along
17:11
with
17:11
Saul
17:11
Zaentz,
17:12
who
17:12
by
17:12
that
17:12
point
17:13
had
17:13
purchased
17:13
the
17:13
film
17:14
rights,
17:14
tried
17:15
to
17:15
stop
17:15
the
17:15
production
17:16
through
17:16
a
17:16
lawsuit,
17:17
but
17:17
it
17:18
instead
17:18
became
17:18
authorized
17:19
through
17:19
a
17:19
series
17:20
of
17:20
settlement
17:20
agreements
17:21
which
17:21
allowed
17:22
the
17:22
special
17:22
to
17:23
air
17:23
in
17:23
Canada,
17:24
where
17:24
the
17:24
books
17:24
were
17:24
not
17:25
public
17:25
domain.
17:26
And
17:26
with
17:27
Saul
17:27
Zaentz,
17:27
this
17:28
is
17:28
where
17:28
we
17:28
get
17:28
to
17:28
the
17:28
Lord
17:29
of
17:29
the
17:29
Rings
17:29
1978,
17:31
an
17:31
enormously
17:32
ambitious
17:32
animated
17:33
adaptation
17:34
that
17:34
only
17:35
ended
17:35
up
17:35
being
17:36
half
17:36
the
17:36
story.
17:37
It
17:37
also
17:38
held
17:38
a
17:38
record
17:38
as
17:39
the
17:39
longest
17:39
animated
17:40
movie
17:40
in
17:40
Western
17:41
animation
17:41
history
17:42
until
17:42
2022.
17:44
So
17:45
here's
17:45
the
17:45
trailer
17:46
for
17:46
the
17:46
Lord
17:46
of
17:46
the
17:47
rings.
17:47
1978.
19:37
Young
19:37
hobbit
19:38
Frodo
19:38
is
19:38
thrown
19:39
on
19:39
an
19:39
amazing
19:39
adventure
19:40
where
19:40
he
19:40
is
19:41
appointed
19:41
the
19:41
job
19:41
of
19:42
destroying
19:42
the
19:42
one
19:43
Ring
19:43
which
19:43
was
19:44
created
19:44
by
19:44
the
19:44
dark
19:45
Lord
19:45
Sauron.
19:46
He's
19:46
joined
19:47
on
19:47
his
19:47
quest
19:47
by
19:47
fellow
19:48
hobbits,
19:48
Sam,
19:49
Nerry
19:49
and
19:49
Pippin,
19:50
Wizard
19:50
Gandalf,
19:51
Elf
19:52
Legolas,
19:52
dwarf
19:53
Gimli
19:54
and
19:54
Men,
19:54
Aragorn
19:55
and
19:55
Boromir.
19:56
But
19:56
it's
19:56
not
19:57
going
19:57
to
19:57
be
19:57
an
19:57
easy
19:57
journey
19:58
for
19:58
the
19:58
Fellowship
19:58
of
19:59
the
19:59
Ring
19:59
on
20:00
the
20:00
ultimate
20:00
quest
20:01
to
20:01
rid
20:01
Middle
20:02
Earth
20:02
of
20:02
all
20:02
evil.
20:04
Let's
20:04
run
20:04
through
20:05
the
20:05
voice
20:05
cast
20:05
for
20:06
this
20:06
movie.
20:06
We
20:07
have
20:07
Christopher
20:07
Guard
20:08
as
20:08
Frodo,
20:09
William
20:10
Squire
20:10
as
20:10
Gandalf,
20:11
Michael
20:12
Scholes
20:13
as
20:13
Sam,
20:14
John
20:14
Hurt
20:15
as
20:15
Aragorn,
20:16
Simon
20:17
Chandler
20:17
as
20:18
Merry,
20:19
Dominic
20:19
Gard
20:20
as
20:20
Pippin,
20:21
Norman
20:21
Bird
20:22
as
20:22
Bilbo,
20:23
Michael
20:24
Graham
20:24
Cox
20:25
as
20:25
Boromir,
20:26
Anthony
20:27
Daniels
20:27
as
20:27
Legolas,
20:29
David
20:29
Buck
20:30
as
20:30
Gimli
20:31
and
20:31
Peter
20:31
Woodthorpe
20:32
as
20:32
Gollum.
20:33
The
20:34
Lord
20:34
of
20:34
the
20:34
Rings,
20:35
1978
20:36
has
20:36
a
20:36
screenplay
20:37
by
20:37
Chris
20:37
Conklin
20:38
and
20:38
Peter
20:38
S.
20:39
Beagle,
20:40
was
20:40
directed
20:40
by
20:41
Ralph
20:41
Bakshi
20:42
and
20:42
was
20:43
based
20:43
on
20:43
the
20:43
Lord
20:43
of
20:43
the
20:44
Rings
20:44
by
20:44
JRR
20:45
Tolkien.
20:47
So
20:47
after
20:48
securing
20:48
the
20:48
rights,
20:49
Saul
20:49
Zaentz
20:49
partnered
20:50
with
20:50
animator
20:51
Ralph
20:51
Bakshi
20:52
to
20:52
create
20:52
an
20:52
animated
20:53
adaptation
20:53
of
20:54
the
20:54
Lord
20:54
of
20:54
the
20:55
Rings.
20:55
Bakshi
20:56
was
20:56
known
20:56
for
20:57
adult
20:57
orientated
20:58
animated
20:58
films
20:59
like
20:59
Fritz
20:59
the
21:00
Cat
21:00
and
21:00
had
21:01
approached
21:01
Zaentz
21:01
about
21:02
adapting
21:02
the
21:03
Lord
21:03
of
21:03
the
21:03
Rings
21:03
after
21:04
previous
21:04
attempts
21:05
had
21:05
failed.
21:06
Bakshi
21:07
had
21:07
wanted
21:07
to
21:07
adapt
21:07
the
21:08
material
21:08
since
21:08
working
21:09
at
21:09
TerryTunes
21:10
in
21:10
the
21:10
mid-50s,
21:11
and
21:11
in
21:11
1957
21:12
had
21:12
spoke
21:13
publicly
21:13
about
21:14
wanting
21:14
to
21:14
make
21:14
an
21:15
animated
21:15
version
21:17
even
21:17
before
21:17
Saul's
21:18
ain't.
21:18
When
21:18
United
21:19
Artists
21:19
abandoned
21:20
John
21:20
Boorman's
21:20
script,
21:21
Bakshi
21:22
originally
21:22
contacted
21:23
them
21:23
about
21:23
an
21:23
animated
21:24
version
21:24
in
21:25
1974.
21:26
Fritz
21:27
the
21:27
Cat
21:27
had
21:27
been
21:27
a
21:28
box
21:28
office
21:28
success,
21:29
but
21:29
in
21:29
1975,
21:31
his
21:31
movie
21:31
Coonskin
21:32
tanked
21:33
and
21:33
he
21:33
believed
21:34
adapting
21:34
the
21:34
Lord
21:35
of
21:35
the
21:35
Rings
21:35
would
21:35
save
21:36
his
21:36
ailing
21:36
studio
21:37
and
21:37
fill
21:38
the
21:38
coffers.
21:39
In
21:39
1975,
21:40
Bakshi
21:41
convinced
21:41
United
21:41
Artists
21:42
executive
21:42
Mike
21:42
Medevoy
21:43
that
21:44
two
21:44
or
21:44
three
21:44
animated
21:45
Lord
21:45
of
21:45
the
21:46
Rings
21:46
films
21:46
could
21:46
be
21:47
made.
21:47
Medavoy
21:48
offered
21:49
Borman's
21:49
script,
21:49
which
21:50
Bakshi
21:50
refused,
21:51
stating
21:51
that
21:52
Bormann
21:52
didn't
21:52
understand
21:53
Tolkien's
21:53
works
21:54
and
21:54
that
21:54
these
21:54
versions
21:55
should
21:55
be
21:55
as
21:55
faithful
21:56
to
21:56
Tolkien's
21:57
dialogue
21:58
and
21:58
scenes
21:58
as
21:59
possible.
22:00
In
22:00
1977,
22:01
Bakshi's
22:02
$1.3
22:03
million
22:03
animated
22:04
science
22:04
fiction
22:05
fantasy
22:05
Wizards
22:06
was
22:06
released,
22:07
which
22:07
incorporates
22:08
a
22:08
number
22:08
of
22:09
Tolkien
22:09
esque
22:09
characters
22:10
in
22:10
its
22:10
post
22:10
apocalyptic
22:11
setting.
22:12
In
22:13
1976,
22:14
around
22:14
the
22:14
time
22:14
Wizards
22:15
was
22:15
being
22:15
finished,
22:16
Medavoy
22:17
put
22:17
Bormann's
22:17
adaptation
22:18
into
22:18
turnaround.
22:19
All
22:20
Bakshi
22:20
had
22:21
to
22:21
do
22:21
was
22:21
persuade
22:22
the
22:22
president
22:22
of
22:22
NGM,
22:23
Dan
22:23
Melnick,
22:24
to
22:24
stump
22:24
up
22:25
the
22:25
$3
22:25
million
22:26
that
22:26
United
22:26
Artists
22:27
owed
22:27
Borman
22:28
for
22:28
his
22:28
script
22:29
and
22:29
Bakshi
22:30
could
22:30
make
22:30
whatever
22:31
he
22:31
wanted.
22:32
At
22:32
the
22:32
time,
22:32
United
22:33
Artists
22:33
in
22:34
NGM
22:34
were
22:34
on
22:34
the
22:34
same
22:35
lot.
22:35
So
22:35
he
22:36
went
22:36
from
22:36
one
22:36
office
22:37
to
22:37
the
22:37
other,
22:37
interrupting
22:38
a
22:38
pitch
22:38
by
22:38
Peter
22:39
Bogdanovich,
22:40
and
22:40
managed
22:40
to
22:41
get
22:41
Medavoy
22:41
and
22:41
Melnick
22:42
together
22:42
in
22:42
a
22:43
room
22:43
where
22:43
it
22:43
was
22:43
agreed
22:44
Melnick
22:45
would
22:45
give
22:45
Medavoy
22:46
$3
22:46
million.
22:47
Bakshi
22:48
would
22:48
make
22:48
his
22:48
own
22:49
Lord
22:49
of
22:49
the
22:49
Rings
22:49
under
22:50
MGM
22:50
and
22:51
his
22:51
lawyer
22:51
Bruce
22:52
Ramer,
22:52
the
22:52
same
22:53
one
22:53
the
22:53
Shark
22:53
King
22:53
Jaws
22:54
is
22:54
named
22:54
after,
22:55
sealed
22:55
the
22:55
deal.
22:56
The
22:56
agreement
22:57
gave
22:57
Bakshi
22:58
financing
22:58
for
22:58
three
22:59
movies
22:59
and
22:59
$200,000
23:01
to
23:01
start
23:01
storyboarding.
23:03
Then
23:04
Dan
23:04
Melnick
23:05
was
23:05
fired
23:05
from
23:06
MGM
23:06
and
23:07
replaced
23:07
by
23:07
Richard
23:08
shepherd,
23:08
so
23:09
they
23:09
had
23:09
to
23:09
confirm
23:10
the
23:10
project
23:10
was
23:10
still
23:10
going
23:11
ahead.
23:11
But
23:12
shepherd
23:12
didn't
23:13
understand
23:13
the
23:13
movie
23:14
quite
23:14
like
23:14
Melnick
23:15
had
23:15
and
23:15
thought
23:16
the
23:16
Lord
23:16
of
23:16
the
23:16
Rings
23:17
was
23:17
about
23:17
a
23:17
wedding.
23:18
Bakshi
23:19
wanted
23:19
the
23:19
rights
23:19
to
23:20
make
23:20
the
23:20
movie
23:20
elsewhere,
23:21
but
23:21
had
23:21
already
23:21
spent
23:21
$200,000
23:23
and
23:23
now
23:24
owed
23:24
shepherd
23:25
and
23:25
without
23:25
having
23:25
the
23:26
funds
23:26
to
23:26
pay
23:26
him
23:26
back.
23:27
Bakshi
23:28
then
23:28
got
23:28
on
23:28
the
23:28
phone
23:28
with
23:29
his
23:29
friend
23:29
Saul
23:29
Zaentz
23:30
and
23:30
this
23:30
is
23:31
where
23:31
we
23:31
get
23:31
into
23:31
the
23:31
part
23:31
of
23:32
the
23:32
story
23:32
where
23:32
Zaentz
23:33
acquired
23:33
the
23:33
rights.
23:34
He
23:34
got
23:35
on
23:35
a
23:35
plane
23:35
that
23:35
day,
23:36
made
23:36
a
23:36
deal
23:36
with
23:36
Bakshi's
23:37
lawyer
23:37
to
23:37
finance
23:38
all
23:38
three
23:38
films
23:39
and
23:39
paid
23:39
MGM
23:40
back
23:40
their
23:41
money,
23:41
while
23:42
also
23:42
having
23:42
United
23:43
Artists
23:43
distribute
23:44
the
23:44
film.
23:45
Rav
23:45
Bakshi
23:46
was
23:46
passionate
23:46
about
23:47
Tolkien's
23:47
work
23:48
and
23:48
advocated
23:48
for
23:49
a
23:49
serious
23:49
adaptation
23:50
that
23:51
would
23:51
respect
23:51
the
23:51
source
23:52
material
23:52
rather
23:53
than
23:53
turning
23:53
it
23:53
into
23:54
a
23:54
children's
23:54
film.
23:55
He
23:55
even
23:55
visited
23:56
Tolkien's
23:56
daughter
23:56
Priscilla
23:57
and
23:57
promised
23:58
her
23:58
it
23:58
would
23:58
be
23:58
as
23:58
faithful
23:59
to
23:59
her
23:59
father's
24:00
work
24:00
as
24:00
possible.
24:01
He
24:01
convinced
24:02
Zaentz
24:02
that
24:03
animation
24:03
was
24:03
the
24:04
only
24:04
viable
24:04
medium
24:05
to
24:05
capture
24:05
Middle
24:06
Earth
24:06
at
24:06
that
24:06
time,
24:07
given
24:07
the
24:07
limitations
24:08
of
24:08
live
24:08
action
24:09
special
24:09
effects
24:10
in
24:10
the
24:10
1970s,
24:12
Chris
24:12
Conklin
24:13
was
24:13
hired
24:13
to
24:13
help
24:13
Bakshi
24:14
with
24:14
research.
24:15
Together
24:15
they
24:15
worked
24:16
on
24:16
an
24:16
initial
24:16
script
24:17
for
24:17
the
24:17
first
24:17
of
24:18
two
24:18
planned
24:18
150
24:19
minute
24:19
films.
24:20
The
24:20
second
24:21
draft
24:21
was
24:21
written
24:22
by
24:22
Conklin
24:22
in
24:22
its
24:23
entirety,
24:24
with
24:24
Mary
24:24
being
24:25
the
24:25
narrator,
24:26
telling
24:26
the
24:26
story
24:26
in
24:27
flashback
24:27
form.
24:28
Bakshi
24:29
felt
24:29
this
24:29
was
24:29
too
24:29
much
24:29
of
24:30
a
24:30
departure
24:30
from
24:30
Tolkien's
24:31
work
24:31
And
24:32
so
24:32
Peter
24:32
S.
24:32
Beagle
24:33
was
24:33
hired
24:33
to
24:34
do
24:34
additional
24:34
script
24:34
work
24:35
on
24:35
the
24:35
Lord
24:36
of
24:36
the
24:36
Rings
24:36
Part
24:37
one.
24:38
The
24:38
Part
24:38
one
24:39
is
24:39
important.
24:40
I'm
24:40
going
24:40
to
24:40
be
24:40
coming
24:40
back
24:41
to
24:41
that.
24:42
After
24:42
multiple
24:43
revisions
24:43
by
24:43
Peter
24:44
S.
24:44
Beagle
24:44
and
24:44
Chris
24:45
Conklin,
24:45
Bakshi
24:46
had
24:46
a
24:46
finished
24:47
script
24:47
and
24:47
with
24:47
it
24:48
the
24:48
approval
24:48
of
24:48
the
24:49
Tolkien
24:49
family,
24:50
and
24:50
was
24:51
ready
24:51
to
24:51
go.
24:51
With
24:51
the
24:52
first
24:52
film
24:52
in
24:52
the
24:52
series,
24:53
budgeted
24:53
at
24:54
$8
24:54
million,
24:55
he
24:56
was
24:56
given
24:56
carte
24:56
blanche
24:57
on
24:57
his
24:57
adaptation,
24:58
with
24:58
his
24:58
biggest
24:59
challenge
24:59
being
24:59
that
24:59
it
25:00
remained
25:00
true
25:00
to
25:00
the
25:01
book,
25:01
but
25:01
that
25:02
it
25:02
was
25:02
condensed
25:02
enough
25:03
to
25:03
narratively
25:04
fit
25:04
into
25:04
two
25:05
films.
25:06
And
25:06
to
25:06
do
25:06
that,
25:07
he
25:07
went
25:07
with
25:07
a
25:07
surprising
25:08
artistic
25:09
choice.
25:10
He
25:10
chose
25:10
to
25:11
shoot
25:11
an
25:11
entire
25:12
live
25:12
action
25:12
film
25:13
first
25:13
as
25:14
a
25:14
visual
25:14
template
25:15
reference
25:15
for
25:15
his
25:15
unique
25:16
animation
25:16
process.
25:17
A
25:17
mixed
25:18
medium
25:18
of
25:18
straight
25:19
animation,
25:19
rotoscoping
25:21
and
25:21
high
25:21
contrast
25:22
live
25:22
action
25:23
scenes.
25:24
In
25:25
1977,
25:26
Bakshi
25:26
and
25:26
his
25:26
team
25:27
traveled
25:27
to
25:27
Spain
25:28
to
25:28
shoot
25:28
these
25:28
live
25:29
action
25:29
sequences,
25:30
primarily
25:30
around
25:31
Madrid
25:31
and
25:31
in
25:32
locations
25:32
in
25:32
Castile,
25:33
La
25:33
Mancha.
25:34
The
25:34
Spanish
25:35
landscape
25:35
offered
25:35
both
25:36
cost
25:36
advantages
25:37
and
25:37
visual
25:38
similarities
25:38
to
25:39
parts
25:39
of
25:39
Middle
25:39
Earth.
25:40
For
25:41
these
25:41
shoots,
25:41
actors
25:42
wearing
25:42
makeshift
25:43
costumes
25:43
performed
25:44
all
25:44
the
25:44
major
25:44
battle
25:45
sequences
25:45
and
25:45
character
25:46
movements.
25:47
Sometimes
25:47
these
25:48
costumes
25:48
were
25:48
literally
25:49
just
25:49
leotards
25:50
with
25:50
markings
25:50
which
25:51
may
25:51
help
25:51
to
25:51
explain
25:52
the
25:52
extraordinarily
25:53
short
25:54
tunics.
25:55
The
25:55
footage
25:55
was
25:55
shot
25:56
in
25:56
35mm
25:57
with
25:57
the
25:57
intention
25:58
of
25:58
being
25:58
processed
25:59
later
25:59
through
25:59
rotoscoping.
26:01
Many
26:01
Spanish
26:02
extras
26:02
and
26:02
stunt
26:03
performers
26:03
were
26:03
employed
26:04
for
26:04
the
26:04
massive
26:04
battle
26:05
scenes,
26:05
particularly
26:06
for
26:06
the
26:06
battle
26:06
of
26:07
Helm's
26:07
Deep.
26:08
There
26:08
was
26:08
notably
26:09
little
26:09
rehearsal
26:10
and
26:10
no
26:10
time
26:11
for
26:11
retakes,
26:12
hence
26:12
Aragorn
26:13
tripping.
26:14
I'm
26:14
guessing
26:14
that
26:14
wasn't
26:15
in
26:15
the
26:15
original
26:16
script.
26:16
The
26:17
lack
26:17
of
26:17
budget
26:18
also
26:18
led
26:18
to
26:18
scenes
26:19
that
26:19
should
26:19
have
26:19
been
26:19
swarming
26:20
with
26:20
orcs,
26:20
such
26:21
as
26:21
the
26:21
Mines
26:21
of
26:21
Moria,
26:22
only
26:23
having
26:23
an
26:23
underwhelming
26:24
few.
26:25
The
26:26
Spanish
26:26
shoot
26:26
was
26:27
quite
26:27
extensive,
26:27
involving
26:28
large
26:28
scale
26:29
battle
26:29
sequences
26:29
with
26:30
dozens
26:30
of
26:30
extras,
26:31
horse
26:31
riding
26:32
scenes
26:32
for
26:32
the
26:32
Nazgul
26:33
and
26:33
Rahiram,
26:34
character
26:34
movement
26:35
references
26:35
for
26:35
many
26:36
of
26:36
the
26:36
main
26:36
characters,
26:37
and
26:37
landscape
26:38
backgrounds
26:38
that
26:39
would
26:39
later
26:39
be
26:39
enhanced
26:40
through
26:40
animation.
26:41
Detailed
26:42
records
26:42
of
26:43
who
26:43
specifically
26:44
performed
26:44
in
26:44
these
26:44
Spanish
26:45
shoots
26:45
weren't
26:46
well
26:46
documented
26:47
or
26:47
publicized.
26:48
Many
26:48
of
26:49
the
26:49
Spanish
26:49
performers
26:50
were
26:50
essentially
26:50
body
26:51
doubles
26:51
or
26:51
movement
26:52
references
26:53
who
26:53
were
26:53
never
26:53
credited
26:54
and
26:54
we
26:55
still
26:55
don't
26:55
really
26:55
know
26:56
who
26:56
they
26:56
are
26:56
to
26:56
this
26:56
day.
26:57
Bakshi
26:58
even
26:58
filmed
26:59
while
26:59
they
26:59
were
26:59
on
26:59
lunch
26:59
breaks
27:00
and
27:00
still
27:00
used
27:01
those
27:01
takes
27:01
in
27:02
the
27:02
movie.
27:02
What
27:03
we
27:03
do
27:03
know
27:03
is
27:04
the
27:04
handful
27:04
of
27:04
character
27:05
actors
27:05
who
27:05
played
27:06
the
27:06
major
27:06
roles
27:07
as
27:07
confirmed
27:08
by
27:08
Bakshi
27:09
or
27:09
others
27:09
who
27:10
worked
27:10
on
27:10
the
27:10
film.
27:11
We
27:11
know
27:11
Bilbo
27:12
Baggins
27:12
and
27:12
Samwise
27:13
Gamgee's
27:14
rotoscoping
27:14
model
27:15
actor
27:15
was
27:16
Billy
27:16
Barty.
27:17
John
27:17
A.
27:18
Neris
27:18
was
27:18
Gandalf.
27:19
Felix
27:20
Scylla
27:20
was
27:20
Gollum.
27:21
Sharon
27:22
Baird
27:22
was
27:22
Frodo.
27:23
Trey
27:24
Wilson
27:24
was
27:24
Aragorn,
27:25
although
27:25
some
27:26
sources
27:26
say
27:26
Walt
27:27
Robles.
27:27
Bakshi
27:28
confirmed
27:29
it
27:29
was
27:29
Wilson.
27:30
Jerry
27:31
Lee
27:31
Ray
27:31
was
27:31
Galadriel
27:32
and
27:32
Aesop.
27:33
Aquarian
27:33
was
27:34
likely
27:34
Gimli.
27:36
The
27:36
footage
27:36
that
27:37
was
27:37
shot
27:37
in
27:37
Spain
27:38
was
27:38
never
27:38
intended
27:39
to
27:39
be
27:39
seen
27:39
directly
27:40
by
27:40
audiences,
27:41
though
27:41
Raj
27:41
Bakshi
27:42
has
27:42
released
27:43
photos
27:43
over
27:44
the
27:44
years.
27:44
Instead,
27:45
it
27:45
served
27:46
as
27:46
the
27:46
foundation
27:46
that
27:46
animators
27:47
would
27:47
trace
27:48
over
27:48
adding
27:49
fantasy
27:49
elements,
27:50
creature
27:50
designs
27:50
and
27:51
stylistic
27:51
flourishes
27:52
in
27:52
post
27:52
production.
27:54
And
27:54
it
27:54
wasn't
27:54
a
27:55
case
27:55
of
27:55
live
27:55
action,
27:56
finish,
27:56
now
27:56
animate.
27:57
Both
27:58
productions
27:58
were
27:58
going
27:59
on
27:59
concurrently,
28:00
with
28:00
upwards
28:00
of
28:00
3,000
28:01
animators
28:02
working
28:02
on
28:02
rotoscoping
28:03
the
28:03
established
28:03
footage,
28:04
while
28:05
at
28:05
the
28:05
same
28:05
time
28:05
Bakshi
28:06
was
28:06
directing
28:07
the
28:07
orc
28:07
action
28:07
scenes
28:08
and
28:08
the
28:08
Battle
28:09
of
28:09
Helm's
28:09
Deep
28:09
in
28:10
Spain.
28:11
Now,
28:11
of
28:11
course,
28:12
rotoscoping
28:12
in
28:13
animation
28:13
is
28:14
nothing
28:14
new.
28:15
Rotoscoping
28:16
has
28:16
been
28:16
prevalent
28:17
in
28:17
cinema
28:17
since
28:17
the
28:18
early
28:18
20th
28:18
century,
28:19
and
28:19
Disney
28:20
has
28:20
been
28:20
using
28:20
rotoscoping
28:21
for
28:21
its
28:21
animation
28:22
since
28:22
Snow
28:23
White
28:23
in
28:23
1937.
28:25
And
28:25
Bakshi
28:25
himself
28:26
wasn't
28:26
new
28:26
to
28:27
the
28:27
process
28:27
either.
28:28
He'd
28:28
used
28:28
it
28:28
extensively
28:29
for
28:29
Wizards
28:30
after
28:30
20th
28:31
Century
28:31
Fox
28:31
refused
28:32
his
28:32
request
28:32
for
28:33
a
28:33
$50,000
28:34
budget
28:34
increase.
28:35
So
28:35
he
28:35
resorted
28:36
to
28:36
the
28:36
rotoscope
28:36
technique
28:37
to
28:37
finish
28:37
the
28:37
battle
28:38
sequences
28:38
himself.
28:39
He
28:40
wanted
28:40
to
28:40
bring
28:40
another
28:41
level
28:41
to
28:41
animation
28:42
by
28:42
having
28:43
untraditional,
28:44
hyper
28:44
realistic
28:45
rotoscoping
28:46
with
28:46
hundreds
28:46
of
28:47
people
28:47
in
28:47
some
28:47
scenes.
28:48
Bakshi
28:49
called
28:49
it
28:49
a
28:50
collage
28:50
of
28:50
different
28:51
styles,
28:52
live
28:52
action
28:52
and
28:53
animation,
28:54
and
28:54
used
28:54
the
28:54
first
28:55
year
28:55
to
28:55
shoot
28:55
most
28:56
of
28:56
the
28:56
live
28:56
action
28:56
as
28:57
a
28:57
visual
28:57
reference
28:57
template
28:58
for
28:58
its
28:59
animators
28:59
to
28:59
primarily
29:00
use
29:00
in
29:00
the
29:01
second
29:01
year.
29:02
They
29:02
actually
29:02
didn't
29:03
rely
29:03
solely
29:03
on
29:03
rotoscoping
29:04
either.
29:05
The
29:05
film
29:06
used
29:06
pure
29:06
rotoscoping
29:07
for
29:07
most
29:07
of
29:07
the
29:07
human
29:08
characters
29:08
like
29:08
Aragorn,
29:09
Boromir
29:10
and
29:10
the
29:10
Rohirrin,
29:11
traditional
29:12
animation
29:12
for
29:13
characters
29:13
like
29:13
Gollum
29:14
and
29:14
the
29:14
Hobbits,
29:15
silhouette
29:15
animation
29:16
for
29:16
the
29:16
Nazgul
29:17
specifically,
29:18
and
29:18
also
29:18
hybrid
29:19
techniques
29:19
as
29:20
well.
29:20
Some
29:21
scenes
29:21
combined
29:21
rotoscoped
29:22
characters
29:23
with
29:23
traditionally
29:24
animated
29:24
backgrounds.
29:25
But
29:25
the
29:25
problem
29:26
with
29:26
the
29:26
elaborate
29:27
techniques
29:27
they
29:27
were
29:28
using
29:28
for
29:28
the
29:28
animation
29:29
meant
29:30
that
29:30
deadlines
29:30
were
29:30
fast
29:31
approaching,
29:31
and
29:32
Bakshi
29:32
came
29:33
up
29:33
with
29:33
a
29:33
new
29:33
technique
29:34
instead.
29:35
Instead
29:35
of
29:35
tracing
29:36
the
29:36
filmed
29:36
image,
29:37
he
29:37
would
29:37
put
29:37
the
29:38
actual
29:38
photograph
29:39
in
29:39
high
29:39
contrast
29:40
right
29:41
on
29:41
the
29:41
animated
29:41
cell
29:42
and
29:42
paint
29:42
it.
29:43
After
29:44
the
29:44
character
29:44
animation
29:45
was
29:45
complete,
29:45
backgrounds
29:46
were
29:46
created
29:47
separately.
29:48
Some
29:48
were
29:48
painted
29:48
traditionally,
29:49
while
29:49
others
29:50
used
29:50
processed
29:51
live
29:51
action
29:51
footage.
29:52
Special
29:53
effects
29:53
like
29:54
fire,
29:54
water
29:54
and
29:55
magical
29:55
elements
29:56
were
29:56
added
29:56
using
29:56
optical
29:57
effects
29:57
and
29:58
multiple
29:58
exposure
29:59
techniques.
30:00
And
30:00
just
30:00
when
30:00
you
30:01
think
30:01
this
30:01
story
30:02
can't
30:02
get
30:02
any
30:02
weirder
30:03
than
30:03
the
30:03
Beatles
30:04
wanting
30:04
to
30:04
be
30:05
in
30:05
this
30:05
movie.
30:06
Mick
30:06
Jagger,
30:07
the
30:07
lead
30:07
singer
30:07
of
30:07
the
30:07
Rolling
30:08
Stones,
30:08
was
30:09
interested
30:09
in
30:09
what
30:10
Bakshi
30:10
was
30:10
doing
30:11
with
30:11
the
30:11
adaptation
30:12
and
30:12
paid
30:12
a
30:12
visit
30:13
to
30:13
the
30:13
studio.
30:14
Word
30:14
quickly
30:15
spread
30:15
that
30:15
Mick
30:15
Jagger
30:16
was
30:16
visiting
30:17
among
30:17
the
30:17
2
30:17
to
30:17
3,000
30:18
people
30:19
working
30:19
at
30:19
the
30:19
studio
30:20
that
30:20
day,
30:20
especially
30:21
among
30:21
some
30:22
of
30:22
the
30:22
young
30:22
ladies
30:22
who
30:23
were
30:23
huge
30:23
fans
30:24
of
30:24
the
30:24
handsome
30:25
lead
30:25
singer
30:25
and
30:26
notorious
30:26
ladies
30:27
man.
30:27
There
30:27
was
30:28
lots
30:28
of
30:28
screaming,
30:29
crying
30:29
and
30:29
fainting
30:30
that
30:30
day
30:31
and
30:31
Jagger
30:32
even
30:32
expressed
30:32
a
30:32
wish
30:33
to
30:33
do
30:33
the
30:33
voice
30:34
of
30:34
Frodo,
30:34
but
30:35
by
30:35
that
30:35
point
30:35
the
30:35
audio
30:36
had
30:36
already
30:36
been
30:36
recorded,
30:37
so
30:38
we
30:38
never
30:38
got
30:38
Mick
30:39
Jagger
30:39
as
30:39
Frodo.
30:40
Bakshi
30:41
cast
30:41
voice
30:42
actors
30:42
from
30:42
English
30:43
Film
30:43
and
30:43
theatre
30:44
and
30:44
from
30:44
the
30:44
BBC
30:45
Drama
30:45
Repertory
30:46
Company
30:46
including
30:47
Christopher
30:47
Guard,
30:48
William
30:49
Squire,
30:49
Michael
30:50
Scholes,
30:50
Anthony
30:51
Daniels
30:51
and
30:51
John
30:52
Hurt.
30:53
The
30:53
whole
30:53
voice
30:53
cast
30:54
recorded
30:54
together,
30:55
but
30:55
had
30:55
to
30:55
leave
30:56
a
30:56
two
30:56
second
30:56
gap
30:57
in
30:57
between
30:57
dialogue,
30:58
which
30:59
sometimes
30:59
left
30:59
the
30:59
dialogue
31:00
a
31:00
little
31:00
bit
31:00
stunted.
31:02
Once
31:02
the
31:02
dialogue
31:03
was
31:03
recorded
31:03
with
31:03
the
31:04
British
31:04
actors,
31:05
Bakshi
31:05
then
31:05
returned
31:06
to
31:06
Los
31:06
Angeles
31:07
to
31:07
shoot
31:07
the
31:07
English
31:08
speaking
31:08
model
31:08
actors
31:09
like
31:09
Billy
31:10
Barty
31:10
and
31:10
Felix
31:10
Siller
31:11
on
31:11
all
31:11
white
31:12
stages
31:12
with
31:12
the
31:13
audio
31:13
dialogue
31:14
playing
31:14
from
31:14
loudspeakers
31:15
and
31:15
the
31:16
actors
31:16
mimicking
31:16
the
31:17
voices.
31:17
Now,
31:18
if
31:18
this
31:18
doesn't
31:18
sound
31:18
like
31:19
a
31:19
particularly
31:19
easy
31:20
task,
31:20
it
31:21
really
31:21
wasn't
31:22
to
31:22
sync
31:22
already
31:23
filmed
31:23
live
31:24
action
31:24
rotoscoped
31:25
animation
31:25
to
31:26
already
31:26
recorded
31:27
audio.
31:27
It
31:28
was
31:28
a
31:28
huge
31:28
task
31:29
and
31:29
even
31:29
two
31:30
years
31:30
wasn't
31:30
enough
31:31
time.
31:31
When
31:32
Bakshi
31:32
asked
31:32
the
31:32
producers
31:33
and
31:33
distributors
31:34
for
31:34
three
31:34
to
31:34
four
31:34
more
31:35
months
31:35
to
31:36
polish
31:36
the
31:36
animation,
31:37
he
31:37
was
31:37
told
31:38
no,
31:39
except
31:39
a
31:39
bit
31:39
more
31:40
sweary.
31:41
This
31:41
is
31:41
why
31:41
the
31:42
animation
31:42
differs
31:43
drastically
31:43
in
31:43
places,
31:44
with
31:44
some
31:45
looking
31:45
more
31:46
polished
31:46
than
31:46
others.
31:47
It
31:47
was
31:48
essentially
31:48
a
31:49
first
31:49
rough
31:49
dough
31:50
that
31:50
he
31:50
wasn't
31:51
allowed
31:51
more
31:51
time
31:52
to
31:52
do
31:52
better
31:52
with.
31:53
When
31:54
Bakshi
31:54
finally
31:55
delivered
31:55
the
31:55
finished
31:55
movie
31:56
the
31:56
week
31:56
before
31:56
it
31:57
was
31:57
due
31:57
to
31:57
be
31:57
released,
31:58
he
31:58
was
31:58
informed
31:59
that
31:59
the
31:59
Part
32:00
one
32:00
in
32:00
the
32:00
title
32:01
had
32:01
been
32:01
removed.
32:02
United
32:03
Artists
32:03
planned
32:04
to
32:04
release
32:04
it
32:04
without
32:05
telling
32:05
viewers
32:06
there
32:06
would
32:06
be
32:06
a
32:06
Part
32:07
two
32:07
because
32:08
they
32:08
felt
32:08
audiences
32:09
wouldn't
32:09
see
32:10
a
32:10
movie
32:10
if
32:11
there
32:11
would
32:11
be
32:11
some
32:11
unsatisfaction,
32:12
that
32:12
it
32:13
was
32:13
the
32:13
first
32:13
half.
32:14
Only
32:15
Rath
32:15
Bakshi
32:16
strongly
32:17
opposed
32:17
this
32:17
view,
32:18
thinking
32:18
fans
32:19
would
32:19
respect
32:19
the
32:19
materially
32:20
enough
32:20
to
32:21
know
32:21
one
32:21
movie
32:21
couldn't
32:22
do
32:22
the
32:22
story
32:22
justice
32:23
and
32:23
that
32:24
having
32:24
a
32:24
Part
32:24
two
32:25
made
32:25
more
32:25
sense.
32:26
It
32:26
led
32:26
to
32:27
Bakshi
32:27
and
32:27
Zaentz
32:28
having
32:28
a
32:28
huge
32:29
fight
32:29
over
32:29
the
32:29
future
32:30
of
32:30
the
32:30
next
32:30
movie
32:31
and
32:31
ended
32:32
up
32:32
with
32:32
Bakshi
32:33
walking
32:33
away
32:33
from
32:33
the
32:34
prospect,
32:34
leaving
32:35
viewers
32:35
of
32:36
this
32:36
movie
32:36
without
32:37
a
32:37
fulfilling
32:37
end
32:38
to
32:38
the
32:38
story.
32:39
But
32:40
such
32:40
studio
32:41
meddling
32:41
in
32:41
the
32:41
movie
32:42
had
32:42
also
32:42
led
32:42
to
32:43
thinking
32:43
viewers
32:43
would
32:43
be
32:44
confused
32:44
between
32:44
Saruman
32:45
and
32:45
Sauron
32:46
and
32:46
having
32:47
Saruman
32:47
renamed
32:48
Aruman
32:49
only
32:49
to
32:49
do
32:49
it
32:50
in
32:50
the
32:50
middle
32:50
of
32:50
recording
32:51
the
32:51
audio.
32:51
So
32:52
both
32:52
Saruman
32:53
and
32:53
Aruman
32:54
are
32:54
used
32:54
in
32:54
the
32:54
movie.
32:56
Zaentz
32:56
and
32:56
Bakshi
32:57
did
32:57
keep
32:57
in
32:57
touch,
32:58
but
32:58
their
32:58
relationship
32:59
was
32:59
forever
32:59
changed
33:00
by
33:00
the
33:00
movie
33:01
and
33:01
Bakshi
33:01
remained
33:02
bitter
33:02
about
33:02
his
33:03
experience.
33:04
And
33:04
when
33:04
Warner
33:05
Brothers
33:05
were
33:05
developing
33:05
the
33:06
live
33:06
action
33:06
movies
33:06
with
33:07
Peter
33:07
Jackson,
33:08
Bakshi
33:08
was
33:09
annoyed
33:09
he
33:09
was
33:09
never
33:09
notified
33:10
by
33:10
Zaentz,
33:11
who
33:11
of
33:11
course
33:11
had
33:11
to
33:11
license
33:12
the
33:12
rights
33:13
of
33:13
the
33:13
intent
33:14
to
33:14
make
33:14
a
33:14
live
33:15
action
33:15
trilogy.
33:16
Just
33:17
a
33:17
quick
33:17
sideline,
33:18
I
33:18
am
33:18
going
33:18
to
33:18
be
33:18
doing
33:19
an
33:19
obligature
33:19
Keanu
33:20
reference
33:20
this
33:20
episode
33:21
and
33:21
if
33:21
you
33:21
don't
33:22
know
33:22
what
33:22
that
33:22
is,
33:22
it's
33:22
where
33:23
I
33:23
try
33:23
and
33:23
link
33:23
the
33:23
movie
33:23
that
33:24
I'm
33:24
featuring
33:24
with
33:24
Keanu
33:25
Reeves
33:25
for
33:25
no
33:25
reason
33:26
other
33:26
than
33:26
he
33:26
is
33:26
the
33:27
best
33:27
of
33:27
men.
33:27
I
33:28
do
33:28
try
33:28
and
33:28
do
33:28
it
33:28
with
33:29
mostly
33:29
every
33:30
episode
33:30
that
33:30
I
33:31
do
33:31
and
33:31
I
33:32
thought
33:32
this
33:32
would
33:32
be
33:32
a
33:32
little
33:33
bit
33:33
too
33:33
difficult
33:33
so
33:34
I
33:34
kind
33:34
of
33:35
ummed
33:35
and
33:35
odd
33:35
about
33:35
doing
33:36
it.
33:36
But
33:36
then
33:36
I
33:37
realized
33:37
that
33:37
Keanu
33:38
Reeves
33:38
co
33:38
starred
33:39
with
33:39
John
33:39
Hurt,
33:40
who
33:40
obviously
33:41
voiced
33:41
Aragorn
33:41
in
33:42
the
33:42
movie
33:42
in
33:43
Even
33:43
Cowgirls
33:44
get
33:44
the
33:44
Blues.
33:45
And
33:45
obviously
33:46
John
33:46
Hurt
33:46
was
33:46
an
33:47
absolute
33:47
legend
33:48
of
33:48
an
33:48
actor.
33:48
His
33:48
voice
33:49
is
33:49
so
33:49
incredible
33:49
in
33:50
this
33:50
movie.
33:50
I
33:51
mean,
33:51
we
33:52
are
33:52
going
33:52
to
33:52
be
33:52
coming
33:52
to
33:53
the
33:53
live
33:53
action
33:53
Aragorn
33:54
next
33:55
episode
33:55
and
33:56
just
33:57
how
33:57
incredible
33:57
Viggo
33:57
Mortensen
33:58
is
33:58
as
33:59
Aragorn.
34:00
But
34:00
John
34:00
Hurt
34:01
is
34:01
so
34:01
good
34:01
and
34:02
obviously
34:02
the
34:02
fact
34:03
he
34:03
worked
34:03
with
34:03
Keanu
34:04
is
34:04
a
34:04
great
34:05
way
34:05
to
34:05
segue
34:05
into
34:06
that
34:06
part
34:06
of
34:07
the
34:07
episode.
34:08
But
34:08
here's
34:09
the
34:09
thing
34:09
that
34:10
I
34:10
find
34:10
so
34:10
fascinating
34:11
about
34:11
this
34:11
movie
34:12
is
34:12
not
34:12
only
34:13
have
34:13
we
34:13
talked
34:13
about
34:13
the
34:14
Beatles
34:14
potentially
34:15
being
34:15
in
34:15
this
34:15
movie
34:16
and
34:16
Mick
34:17
Jagger
34:18
potentially
34:18
being
34:19
in
34:19
this
34:19
movie,
34:20
there
34:20
was
34:20
also
34:21
a
34:21
possibility
34:21
once
34:21
upon
34:22
a
34:22
time
34:22
for
34:23
Led
34:23
Zeppelin
34:24
to
34:24
be
34:25
soundtracking
34:25
this
34:26
movie.
34:28
Now
34:28
we've
34:28
of
34:28
course
34:29
gone
34:29
from
34:29
the
34:30
last
34:30
episode
34:30
on
34:30
Flash
34:31
Gordon
34:31
with
34:31
the
34:31
legendary
34:32
Queen
34:32
soundtrack
34:33
to
34:34
potentially
34:34
having
34:34
Led
34:35
Zeppelin
34:35
doing
34:36
the
34:36
music
34:36
for
34:36
this.
34:37
Led
34:37
Zeppelin
34:38
are
34:38
known
34:38
for
34:39
having
34:39
references
34:40
to
34:40
the
34:40
Lord
34:41
of
34:41
the
34:41
Rings
34:41
in
34:41
their
34:42
tracks
34:42
like
34:42
Ramble
34:43
On,
34:43
Misty
34:44
Mountain
34:44
Hop
34:44
and
34:44
the
34:45
Battle
34:45
Forevermore.
34:46
So
34:46
Ralph
34:46
Bakshi
34:47
approached
34:47
the
34:48
band
34:48
with
34:48
the
34:48
idea
34:48
to
34:49
use
34:49
their
34:49
music
34:49
for
34:50
the
34:50
soundtrack.
34:51
And
34:51
of
34:51
course
34:51
the
34:52
band
34:52
were
34:52
enthusiastic.
34:53
But
34:54
the
34:54
problem
34:54
was
34:55
Saul
34:55
Zainz
34:56
owned
34:56
Fantasy
34:56
Records,
34:57
but
34:57
because
34:58
Led
34:58
Zeppelin
34:59
was
34:59
signed
34:59
to
34:59
another
34:59
label,
35:00
their
35:01
label
35:01
refused
35:01
to
35:02
allow
35:02
Saints
35:03
to
35:03
buy
35:03
the
35:03
rights
35:03
to
35:04
Ned
35:04
Zeppelin's
35:05
music.
35:05
And
35:06
so
35:06
we
35:06
never
35:07
did
35:07
get
35:07
a
35:07
version
35:08
of
35:08
the
35:08
Lord
35:08
of
35:08
the
35:08
Rings
35:09
with
35:09
a
35:09
Led
35:09
Zeppelin
35:10
soundtrack,
35:10
which
35:11
is
35:11
kinda
35:12
sad.
35:12
Leonard
35:13
Rosenman
35:14
ended
35:14
up
35:14
composing
35:15
the
35:15
score
35:15
for
35:15
this
35:15
movie
35:16
and
35:16
he
35:16
would
35:16
end
35:17
up
35:17
with
35:17
a
35:17
Golden
35:18
Globe
35:18
nomination.
35:19
The
35:20
Lord
35:20
of
35:20
the
35:20
Rings
35:20
was
35:21
released
35:21
on
35:21
15th
35:22
November
35:23
1978
35:24
in
35:24
just
35:24
31
35:25
cinemas
35:25
across
35:25
the
35:26
US.
35:26
Now,
35:27
records
35:28
from
35:28
back
35:28
then
35:28
are
35:29
kinda
35:29
sketchy.
35:30
They
35:30
don't
35:31
exist
35:31
as
35:32
to
35:32
whether
35:32
the
35:32
release
35:33
was
35:33
widened
35:34
because
35:34
only
35:35
the
35:35
first
35:35
week
35:36
is
35:36
recorded.
35:37
But
35:37
we
35:38
know
35:38
that
35:38
the
35:38
movie
35:39
made
35:39
money
35:40
because
35:40
on
35:41
its
35:41
estimated
35:41
budget
35:42
of
35:42
$8
35:42
million,
35:43
the
35:43
Lord
35:43
of
35:44
the
35:44
Rings
35:44
grossed
35:45
$30.5
35:46
million
35:46
in
35:47
the
35:47
US
35:47
and
35:46
$3.2
35:49
million
35:50
in
35:50
the
35:50
UK.
35:51
So
35:52
this
35:52
movie
35:53
was
35:53
a
35:53
profitable
35:54
movie.
35:55
But
35:55
although
35:55
it
35:56
was
35:56
profitable,
35:57
the
35:57
film
35:58
didn't
35:58
make
35:58
enough
35:58
money
35:59
to
35:59
automatically
36:00
warrant
36:00
a
36:00
sequel.
36:01
The
36:02
sequel
36:02
that
36:02
would
36:02
obviously
36:03
finish
36:03
the
36:03
story.
36:04
But
36:04
also
36:04
add
36:05
to
36:05
that
36:05
the
36:05
argument
36:06
between
36:06
producer
36:06
Saul
36:07
Zanes
36:07
and
36:08
Ralph
36:08
Bakshi,
36:08
which
36:09
led
36:09
to
36:09
Bakshi
36:10
abandoning
36:10
the
36:10
project
36:11
completely.
36:12
But
36:12
this
36:12
is
36:13
where
36:13
Rankin
36:13
Bass
36:14
kind
36:14
of
36:14
come
36:14
back
36:14
into
36:14
the
36:15
story,
36:15
because
36:16
they
36:16
then
36:16
followed
36:17
their
36:18
version
36:18
of
36:18
The
36:18
Hobbit
36:19
in
36:19
1980
36:20
with
36:21
an
36:21
animated
36:21
television
36:22
adaptation
36:22
of
36:23
the
36:23
Return
36:23
of
36:24
the
36:24
King,
36:24
which
36:25
is
36:25
often
36:25
mistaken
36:26
as
36:27
the
36:27
sequel
36:27
to
36:27
this
36:28
movie.
36:29
The
36:29
release
36:30
of
36:30
Rankin
36:30
Bass's
36:31
the
36:31
Return
36:31
of
36:31
the
36:32
King
36:32
was
36:33
threatened
36:33
by
36:33
a
36:33
lawsuit
36:34
filed
36:34
by
36:34
the
36:35
Tolkien
36:35
estate
36:35
and
36:36
Fantasy
36:36
Films
36:37
on
36:37
the
36:37
basis
36:37
that
36:38
Rankin
36:38
Bass
36:38
had
36:39
not
36:39
secured
36:39
the
36:40
U.S.
36:40
and
36:40
Canadian
36:41
TV
36:41
rights
36:41
to
36:41
the
36:42
book.
36:43
Again,
36:43
this
36:43
lawsuit
36:44
was
36:44
settled
36:44
amicably
36:45
and
36:46
the
36:46
Return
36:47
of
36:47
the
36:47
King
36:47
had
36:48
a
36:48
May
36:48
1980
36:49
release.
36:51
Now,
36:51
Warner
36:51
Brothers,
36:52
who
36:52
currently
36:52
own
36:53
the
36:53
rights
36:54
to
36:54
the
36:54
Saul's
36:54
Ain't
36:55
Theatrical
36:55
Library,
36:56
released
36:57
the
36:57
Lord
36:58
of
36:58
the
36:58
Rings
36:58
1978
36:59
on
37:00
DVD
37:01
and
37:01
re
37:01
released
37:01
on
37:02
VHS
37:02
in
37:02
2001
37:03
through
37:04
the
37:04
Warner
37:04
Brothers
37:04
Family
37:05
Entertainment
37:05
label.
37:06
And
37:07
this
37:07
is
37:07
where
37:08
this
37:08
movie
37:08
differs
37:09
ever
37:09
so
37:09
slightly
37:10
from
37:10
the
37:10
theatrical
37:11
release
37:12
because
37:12
this
37:12
version
37:13
ended
37:13
with
37:13
the
37:14
narrator
37:14
saying,
37:15
here
37:15
ends
37:16
the
37:16
first
37:16
part
37:16
of
37:17
the
37:17
history
37:17
of
37:17
the
37:17
War
37:18
of
37:18
the
37:18
Ring.
37:19
The
37:19
DVD
37:20
version
37:20
has
37:20
an
37:21
alternate
37:22
end
37:22
narration
37:23
which
37:24
is
37:24
the
37:24
forces
37:25
of
37:25
darkness
37:25
were
37:26
driven
37:26
forever
37:26
from
37:26
the
37:27
face
37:27
of
37:27
Middle
37:27
Earth
37:28
by
37:28
the
37:28
valiant
37:29
friends
37:29
of
37:29
Frodo.
37:30
As
37:30
their
37:30
gallant
37:31
battle
37:31
ended,
37:32
so
37:32
too
37:33
ends
37:33
the
37:33
first
37:34
great
37:34
tale
37:34
of
37:35
the
37:35
Lord
37:35
of
37:35
the
37:35
Rings,
37:36
which
37:37
I
37:37
guess
37:37
is
37:37
some
37:38
way
37:38
to
37:38
make
37:38
do
37:39
for
37:39
the
37:39
fact
37:39
that
37:39
we
37:40
never
37:40
got
37:40
a
37:40
sequel
37:41
to
37:41
this
37:41
movie.
37:42
Now
37:42
generally,
37:43
Ralph
37:43
Bakshi's
37:44
movie
37:45
is
37:45
notable
37:46
for
37:46
never
37:46
actually
37:46
finishing
37:47
the
37:47
story.
37:48
And
37:48
the
37:48
initial
37:48
reaction
37:49
from
37:49
the
37:49
fans
37:50
was
37:51
not
37:51
really
37:51
that
37:52
positive.
37:53
Many
37:53
disliked
37:54
the
37:54
animation
37:54
style
37:55
and
37:55
with
37:55
the
37:55
lack
37:55
of
37:56
a
37:56
sequel,
37:56
fan
37:57
dissatisfaction
37:58
was
37:58
high.
37:59
Critics
37:59
at
38:00
the
38:00
time
38:00
were
38:00
mixed,
38:00
but
38:01
appreciated
38:01
the
38:02
attempt
38:02
to
38:02
try
38:02
something
38:03
unique
38:03
and
38:03
daring.
38:04
Rotten
38:05
Tomatoes
38:05
currently
38:06
has
38:06
it
38:06
at
38:06
49%,
38:08
stating
38:08
Rav
38:09
Bakshi's
38:09
valiant
38:10
attempt
38:10
at
38:10
rendering
38:11
Tolkien's
38:11
magnum
38:12
opus
38:12
into
38:12
rotoscope
38:13
never
38:14
lives
38:14
up
38:14
to
38:14
the
38:14
grandeur
38:15
of
38:15
its
38:15
source
38:15
material,
38:16
with
38:16
a
38:16
compressed
38:17
running
38:17
time
38:17
that
38:18
flattens
38:18
the
38:18
sweeping
38:19
story
38:19
and
38:20
experimental
38:20
animation
38:21
that
38:21
is
38:21
more
38:22
bizarre
38:22
than
38:22
magical.
38:23
Roger
38:24
Ebert
38:24
called
38:25
Bakshi's
38:25
effort
38:25
a
38:26
mixed
38:26
blessing
38:27
and
38:27
an
38:27
entirely
38:28
respectable,
38:29
occasionally
38:29
impressive
38:30
job,
38:31
which
38:31
still
38:31
falls
38:32
far
38:32
short
38:32
of
38:33
the
38:33
charm
38:33
and
38:33
sweep
38:34
of
38:34
the
38:34
original
38:34
story.
38:35
Vincent
38:36
Canby
38:36
at
38:37
the
38:37
New
38:37
York
38:37
Times
38:37
called
38:38
the
38:38
film
38:38
both
38:38
numbing
38:39
and
38:39
impressive.
38:41
The
38:41
Lord
38:41
of
38:41
the
38:42
Rings
38:42
1978
38:43
was
38:43
nominated
38:44
for
38:44
a
38:44
Hugo
38:44
Award
38:45
for
38:45
Best
38:45
Dramatic
38:45
Presentation,
38:46
a
38:47
Saturn
38:47
Award
38:47
for
38:48
Best
38:48
Fantasy
38:48
Film,
38:49
and
38:49
Leonard
38:50
Rosenman
38:50
score
38:51
was
38:51
nominated
38:52
for
38:52
a
38:52
Golden
38:52
Globe
38:53
for
38:53
Best
38:53
Original
38:54
Motion
38:54
Picture
38:54
Score.
38:56
Say
38:56
what
38:56
you
38:56
will
38:57
about
38:57
this
38:57
adaptation,
38:58
for
38:58
all
38:58
its
38:58
flaws
38:59
and
38:59
issues,
39:00
it
39:00
is
39:00
brave
39:01
and
39:01
ambitious,
39:02
genuinely
39:03
menacing
39:03
in
39:04
places,
39:04
and
39:05
it
39:05
does
39:05
whet
39:05
your
39:06
appetite
39:06
for
39:06
more,
39:07
which
39:07
sadly
39:07
never
39:08
came.
39:08
It's
39:09
also
39:09
cheesy
39:10
and
39:10
silly
39:10
in
39:11
places.
39:11
I
39:12
am
39:12
not
39:12
sure
39:12
Treebeard
39:13
was
39:13
supposed
39:14
to
39:14
look
39:14
like
39:14
a
39:14
parsnip
39:15
carrot
39:15
hybrid,
39:16
but
39:17
Raz
39:17
Bakshi
39:18
deserves
39:18
the
39:18
ultimate
39:18
respect
39:19
for
39:19
coming
39:19
through
39:20
and
39:20
bringing
39:21
such
39:21
a
39:21
different
39:21
take
39:21
on
39:22
the
39:22
story
39:22
and
39:23
showing
39:23
the
39:23
world
39:24
the
39:24
Lord
39:24
of
39:24
the
39:24
Rings
39:25
could
39:25
be
39:25
made
39:26
despite
39:26
all
39:27
the
39:27
previous
39:27
failed
39:28
attempts.
39:29
His
39:29
technique
39:30
created
39:30
a
39:30
distinctive
39:31
visual
39:32
style
39:32
that
39:32
differentiated
39:33
his
39:33
adaptation
39:34
from
39:34
both
39:34
the
39:35
traditional
39:35
animation
39:36
and
39:36
live
39:37
action
39:37
films
39:37
of
39:38
the
39:38
era.
39:39
While
39:39
it
39:39
was
39:39
controversial
39:40
among
39:41
audiences,
39:41
his
39:42
approach
39:42
represented
39:43
an
39:43
ambitious
39:44
attempt
39:44
to
39:44
capture
39:45
the
39:45
epic
39:45
scope
39:45
of
39:46
Tolkien's
39:46
work
39:47
using
39:47
the
39:47
animation
39:48
technology
39:49
available
39:49
in
39:49
the
39:49
late
39:50
1970s.
39:51
Bakshi
39:52
continued
39:53
with
39:53
his
39:53
signature
39:54
rotoscoped
39:55
mixed
39:55
media
39:55
style
39:56
on
39:56
his
39:57
follow
39:57
ups,
39:58
1981's
39:59
American
39:59
Pop,
40:00
1983's
40:01
Fire
40:01
and
40:01
Ice
40:01
and
40:02
1992's
40:03
Cool
40:03
World.
40:04
But
40:04
it
40:05
was
40:05
that
40:05
last
40:05
movie
40:06
starring
40:06
Brad
40:07
Pitt,
40:07
Gabriel
40:08
Byrne
40:08
and
40:08
Kim
40:08
Basinger
40:09
that
40:10
would
40:10
lead
40:10
to
40:10
him
40:10
burning
40:11
out
40:11
and
40:11
leaving
40:12
the
40:12
industry
40:12
for
40:13
good.
40:13
Following
40:14
the
40:14
death
40:14
of
40:15
Saul
40:15
Zanes,
40:15
Bakshi
40:16
offered
40:16
to
40:16
make
40:17
more
40:17
Lord
40:17
of
40:17
the
40:17
Rings
40:18
in
40:18
animation
40:19
and
40:19
continue
40:20
the
40:20
story
40:20
he
40:20
started
40:21
in
40:21
1978.
40:22
But
40:23
while
40:23
Warner
40:23
Brothers
40:24
have
40:24
continued
40:25
the
40:25
story
40:25
in
40:25
animated
40:26
form,
40:26
it
40:27
wasn't
40:27
with
40:27
Bakshi.
40:29
Peter
40:29
Jackson
40:30
has
40:30
acknowledged
40:30
Bakshi's
40:31
film
40:31
as
40:31
an
40:32
inspiration
40:32
for
40:32
his,
40:33
with
40:33
several
40:34
scenes
40:34
paying
40:34
homage
40:35
to
40:35
Bakshi's.
40:36
Jackson
40:37
said
40:37
in
40:37
a
40:37
2001
40:38
interview
40:38
that
40:39
he
40:39
enjoyed
40:39
Bakshi's
40:40
film
40:40
and
40:41
that
40:41
it
40:41
inspired
40:42
him
40:42
to
40:42
read
40:42
the
40:42
books
40:43
to
40:43
find
40:43
out
40:44
more.
40:45
And
40:45
you
40:45
will
40:45
find
40:46
out
40:46
more
40:46
about
40:47
Jackson's
40:48
version
40:48
of
40:48
the
40:48
stories,
40:49
his
40:49
dealings
40:50
with
40:50
Miramax
40:50
and
40:51
the
40:51
move
40:51
to
40:51
New
40:52
Line
40:52
Cinema
40:52
to
40:53
make
40:53
his
40:53
ambitious
40:54
three
40:55
part
40:55
the
40:55
Lord
40:56
of
40:56
the
40:56
Rings
40:56
movies
40:57
in
40:57
live
40:57
action
40:59
in
40:59
next
40:59
week's
41:00
episode.
41:00
So
41:01
thank
41:01
you
41:01
for
41:01
listening.
41:02
As
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41:04
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41:06
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41:06
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41:07
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41:36
the
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41:37
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41:37
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41:37
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41:38
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Fellowship
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41:50
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