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Jexplex | The Christian Reeve Podcast | #149 | · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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Hello and welcome to another episode of the Christian Reef
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podcast. Today's guest is a podcaster,
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hailing all the way from Florida in the USA, he goes by the
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moniker GX Plex. Welcome to the show.
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How you doing? I'm doing good and you doing
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well bit all over the place as you know, off camera, for those
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who don't know, I do this basically straight off the back
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of my day job. So it's like, I finished my job.
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Hello. Go straight to do the podcast or
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if I have some intervening time, been great, but generally it's
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one after the other. And Don't get me wrong, I love,
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I love to do it. As I said, off camera, I love
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this. I love learning about people
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sharing stories and all that jazz, but you got me ready for
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this. And that's where I felt bad
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because that's just like a headless chicken as we say here,
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but let's get straight into it. Like, I think the most
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interesting thing I found when I was looking into my research on
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you because it's difficult to find a lot of information and
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you're like, I got a rough picture of you but I mean that's
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kind of What this podcast is about is learning about people
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but the one thing I did find was that you're doing this podcast
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that's called it's Jack's and you know it's a straightforward
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podcast similar to what I'm doing.
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You know, you're interviewing people but the key difference
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which I found really interesting is that you have this this
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number that you've attached to it and you get people to cool,
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you cool in like like a radio show.
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So then talk to you said, tell us like, where you came.
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Came up with this idea how you get your guests and also one
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thing I want to know as well as like how do you kind of is it
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the sort of thing where you're just sitting there at the phone
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waiting and you're ready? And you're in the zone or is it
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like you have to kind of quote-unquote like a vet them
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first to kind of make sure it's not going to be?
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I don't know, something crazy. I don't know like talk to us
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about what this this shows about.
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So I started just because I think that everybody's
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perspective is pretty pretty interesting, and it doesn't
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matter who it is that you're talking to.
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It can be. Again, it could be literally
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anybody and that's the thing about it.
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That's why I like doing it, too. Because, any any single last
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person doesn't really matter if they're calling into even troll
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joke or to just have a serious conversation, it's any type of
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topic these people, whoever it may be, you just never know
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what's going to happen when the conversation starts to happen.
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And I found throughout my lifetime that having these
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conversations, tend to be the best conversations.
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And like, sometimes I'd be like, damn, like I wish other people
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got to hear that. Okay, so it's kind of you're
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trying to capture spontaneity essentially in a sentence us,
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it's interesting. Yeah because when I heard you'd
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like you have a very similar Cadence to myself like in terms
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of how you approach it which is interesting because like I
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listened to one episode and it was literally just some women in
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a pay phone calling you and you Yeah, yeah, you that's like
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hello. You know why you calling?
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And yeah. Very like you know like smooth
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and all that. And then this this she doesn't
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really know why she's calling you.
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But again, there doesn't have to be a purpose which I like, I
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like that kind of open-endedness about it but it must make it
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difficult for you to like, I mean, how do you go about kind
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of the questions aspect and knowing how to guide the
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conversation? Because I mean for me just a bit
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of insight about what I do. I obviously do a little bit of
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research about my guest beforehand.
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Get a rough picture of who they are.
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And then, you know, sometimes I have more questions.
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Sometimes, I have less I Rely a lot on ad-libbing based on what
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my guest says, that's my process but you know you're going on.
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Essentially nothing going in cold.
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Like how do you prepare for that?
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So usually whatever it is or I usually start off every night,
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kind of like what the theme or sometimes I don't.
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And I honestly doesn't even matter.
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But with these themes, usually, I'll come up with them myself.
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So I'll usually be sitting around thinking like a great
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example of it. The other day I was sitting
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around. I was thinking because there was
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a little bit of dust just on top of one of the books in my room
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and I was looking at it and I was like hmm I was like and I
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started thinking about it, it's weird.
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I started thinking about the dust and I was like, it's kind
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of funny that like no matter how many times you clean like this
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dust is always going to keep coming back and then it kind of
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reminded me of when I was a kid and how like I thought the world
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was a lot more simple. I thought you would just clean
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things and that you just wouldn't have to do it again but
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obviously you grow up and then you kind of find out that's not
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true. So then that kind of came up
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that brought to me like a theme for that same night.
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And that theme was kind of like you know, what was something
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that you thought. Would be simple when you're a
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kid and then you kind of grew up in, it wasn't, you know, it's
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just my thinking about my thought processes earlier in the
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day and bring it in the form of a question.
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That's brilliant. I love that idea.
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I mean, that's similar, I have a similar thing sometimes when I
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go on Instagram live and I just chat to people like, you know,
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you just you cling on to what people say, or you have a
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particular thought in your head and sometimes that becomes a
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video or in your case, it becomes a show idea, which I
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think it's brilliant. Actually, that reminds me when
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one of the episodes I listen to you did actually have like a
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theme think that you asked your guests about and then that
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obviously drove the compensation but I suppose continue on with
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with this as far as like just understanding the format and
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everything like how how many guests have you had so far on
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the show? Words of 2030.
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Let me finally. Okay.
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And so far like, what have been the kind of the most challenging
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aspects of it? That will be the most difficult
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things I think the most difficult thing.
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For sure. On my end the most difficult
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thing is probably. Oh my God.
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Editing. Yeah, you take so much out of
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you but when I'm actually doing it, I think sometimes I'll be
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Sometimes I'll be talking to someone, and I'll come across
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certain topics that I thought, I knew how to navigate or talk
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around, but even then in the moment I find it difficult.
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For example, I had somebody that was talking about how when they
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were younger him and his brother witnessed their mother being
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abused by their mother's boyfriend at the time.
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Also, brother got a knife and he stabbed the mother's boyfriend,
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the back and, you know, in the moment I could say the store
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When the person is telling it to you and they're in that moment
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of vulnerability. Well, it's not exactly exactly
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like 100% vulnerability because they're able to communicate it
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to you softly you know calmly they know what they're doing but
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at the same time it's still a little bit difficult to absorb
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what they're saying and then also bounce off that continue on
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the conversation. So sometimes I'll be caught in
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situations like that works, will be difficult.
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That's, that's hard, isn't it? Like, I sometimes I'll I'll be
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listening to the stories of people share on here and yeah,
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sometimes are very pointed and heavy things and you what you
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want that? I mean without sounding horrible
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like that makes for good content.
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Interesting content because it's real and it's you know, life
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isn't yeah. Life isn't all sunshine and
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rainbows. Is life.
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Life is also suffering and hard times and how you persevere and
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get through that. And but yeah, it can be
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difficult to a well a let's do it.
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Be like you. It's hard to guide it isn't it?
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Because in a situation like that where someone's pouring their
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heart out to you it's It's Tricky.
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Like knowing like when you can really, for example, change the
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subject or, you know, how far can you dig in this?
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Like, because you're not established, you don't know.
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I mean before you came The show people who people listed might
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know this, but every time I have someone on the show beforehand,
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I ask them if there's anything that they're uncomfortable
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talking about or anything like that.
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And the reason I do that is for that exact reason, is to a not
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to trigger someone be to kind of know where the limit is the line
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is, you know, I've noticed that not everyone necessarily cares
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about this. I mean, I think it's bit
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different in podcasting but I've noticed on television, for
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example, hosts will often not care too much about
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overstepping. The, my Depends, so it is, some
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of them will have been told before I like you can't ask
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this, you can't ask that because that's just how TV works.
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But there's there's some hosts that don't care and then when
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you see those big kind of blow ups on TV and like, you know,
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dangerous situations that occur, it's because of that because
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they've pushed the wrong buttons and maybe unknowingly, but then
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you got to ask yourself. Self.
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If you've got a guest coming on your show you really should do
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your research. Like it reminds me of the of the
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Will Smith Chris Rock thing. I feel like if Chris Rock had I
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truly believe Chris Rock did Mother.
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I that's why I think because Chris Rock is a very intelligent
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man. He's a very well-established
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comedian. He's been doing this like 30 odd
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years. If he's going to pick on someone
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in the front row, he's going to know the situation and also
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here's another thing that Talking about with regards to
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that. Is that a lot of jokes get
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written for people? And I feel like that I feel like
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maybe that wasn't his joke. Maybe that was written for him
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maybe but I feel like he definitely didn't know about the
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whole alopecia thing, that's the vibe I get.
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And the reason that's relevant is obviously, if you don't know,
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you don't know that you're over, you know, going to cause great
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offense. I truly believe in my heart of
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hearts he wouldn't have. Gone there.
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If he didn't own that because comedy is like a Minefield, you
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know, like but when it becomes like personal and he's already
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had like had shots at them before.
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If you ever get that back in 2016, he went had a little pop
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at them. I think, because they boycotted
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the Oscars because the lack of representation in that year. and
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it was, is it is it is difficult?
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Is it uncomfortable situation? I think for all certainly but
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the aftermath is almost more interesting than the actual
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situation itself. Yeah.
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Because then you get to see all those emotions, kind of dissolve
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and you never really know how these emotions around as our, we
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don't have time to solve an anger if they're gonna cry, if
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they're going to just get up and walk out if they're gonna
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whatever type of reaction and maybe but the whole goal is like
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you never want to push it that far, you know, that's It's
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almost like a like the art of it, right?
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No. Is that you never ever want to
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push that button. You never, you want to see how
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close your finger can get to that button and then just not
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touch it. Just just enough for everyone to
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see the realness of it, but not enough for it to go too far.
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And that's, that's the, that's the art of it.
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One thing that Chris Rock said, which I found was interesting in
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the moment, but actually is I don't think it's true now
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immediately after it happened and he had the sort of argument
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with Will Smith. He said, well, that was the
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greatest night in television because obviously his mind he's
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thrown he's thrown off by that. You know.
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He doesn't like I could tell in his head.
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It he was sort of thinking I could destroy this guy.
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I could wreck this guy. I could do this, I could do
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this, you know, there was even a point if you watch just I think
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even before he got slapped with just afterwards, he clenched his
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fists. He was thinking of punching will
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back but he knew better, he knew Not to do that.
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And that's the amazing thing about this.
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He made a shitty joke that he shouldn't have made, but no
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one's talking about that. Everyone's just talking about
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you can't assault this person. Look at this marriage, you know,
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the whole situation, like, it be people aren't talking about
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Creek. The only thing people were
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saying about Chris rockers that they feel bad for him and it's
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his ticket sales have gone up early.
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The point is yeah, like it's To me when he said that, I think he
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was just thinking of the aftermath and the reality is it
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will never really be looked at. It will always be an Infamous
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moment. It'll always be something that
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people look back on like wow, I can't believe that happened but
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it will never be like. Wasn't that a great moment?
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Maybe some people think that but I think most people look at it
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for what it is which is it's a grown-ass adult, slapping
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another adult for a joke, they made which even if the joke is
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Like that's not how you do like gin and I mean with businesslike
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I mean and it's also a contextual as well.
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That was like an award show and that's a comedian whose job it
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is to take the mick out of people, you know, if that was in
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a bar, if they were in a bar, right?
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And Chris Rock has said that it's not a comedy show.
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It's just like him being an asshole, right?
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Yeah, by all means. Go punch the guy, why not?
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But because it's You know, he's pet literally been paid to take
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jokes out people. You know, make jokes out of
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people, and if you've ever been to a comedy club anywhere in the
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world ever, you know that if you sit in the front row, You're
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Gonna Get Wrecked. That's how it is.
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That's how Comedy Works. You don't wanna get rekt dont,
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sit the front and don't go to the Oscars as well.
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If you don't want to get absolutely destroyed because I
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mean, that's the whole point of this show.
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But anyway, yeah, back to back to the point.
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I mean, it's Watch E. I want to ask you, what was your
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opinion on all of that situation?
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Like, well, what did you get from that?
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My opinion on it was that As for Will Smith hitting Chris Rock.
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As I mentioned before I already mentioned that, you know, not
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only with comedy. Is it again like this?
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Art of not pressing that button but also with what we do it's
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very similar where you don't want to, you know, press that
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button. You don't want to push people
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too far. And I don't know if there's a
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specific word to get to this, but I do think that Chris Rock
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should have paid a little bit more attention to not pressing
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that button. Although he You could have never
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predicted it, but the reason why I say that is because I mean
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Will Smith, and his wife have been in the media quite a bit,
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the past year, regarding their marriage.
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And I think that Jada has also spoken about her palpation
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previous interviews to write. And she spoken about the fact
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that she doesn't like it, like she just not like, speaking
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about it. She does not enjoy.
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Of course, I don't think anybody would enjoy having alopecia, but
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she specifically talked about how it's hurting her self-esteem
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and etc. Etc.
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I think that he just took that risk and the just press that
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button, I think that Would it is?
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It necessarily correct of Will Smith to do that, probably not.
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But again, if you press that button, you don't really know
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what the outcome of it is going to be.
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So that's what I would say about it.
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I don't necessarily condemn him for if anything, I think it's
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just more of a hmm, more of a cost of the trade and plus
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they're both worth like hundreds of millions of dollars.
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I'm sure they're fine. See, they might that bank
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accounts might be right, but I tell you what, this, if nothing
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else is proof, that it doesn't matter how much money you have
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in life. You can still have a life that
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you absolutely hate. Like, I'm sorry to say it but my
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perspective looking at like, I've been in a relationship
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before where there's The and controlling abuse that kind of
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stuff, right? And that's the thing.
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I recognize that from a mile away, when I heard about their
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marriage and everything that's going on, I was like it's the
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same. I've been through this.
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I know what this is, like not to that extent but I there were
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there were certain things like, for instance, certain behaviors.
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I found myself doing as a result of trying to please this other
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purse, right? And that was what that was that.
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I had nothing to do that wasn't will wanting to do that.
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That was he's trying to please Jada in any way he can and
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that's an interesting thing. We don't actually see the shot
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of her looking at him or hit him looking at her because all we
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see is him going ha ha ha and her eye roll and not being, not
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liking the joke, then it cuts away to rock, Chris Rock, and
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the next minute you see will walking up to the stage.
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So, in that moment, that's definitely where there was
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lucky. Look exchange, like, what are
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you going to do something about it.
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You know, he knew he knew he'd have to do something.
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And, you know, I spoke about the aftermath before.
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Thus what has transpired since then, she's turned, she's turned
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around and said, God, I feel so bad for, will she turned around?
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And she basically said, I don't need.
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I'm a strong woman. I don't need a man to protect
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me. Basically she's not standing
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behind him. She doesn't support it
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basically. And it's like, if you're married
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couple of you're married, you're in a relationship.
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Like you should stand by the person you're with, you know,
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like even if they're wrong, still stand by them.
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Just tell them behind closed doors.
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Like they, listen, you're wrong. And this is why and blah, blah,
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blah, but like it, like when you do that in public, it undermines
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you. It just makes you look like a
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fool like their relationship. I don't know why, but they've
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decided to air their relationship in public.
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And that's their choice, right? But Obviously.
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It's a problem. Like, I was listening to a
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podcast about the severed, a wrestling podcast, actually.
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But this came up to, it's funny how things work.
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And one of the points they made was that because they've made
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the decision to air this in public.
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What it means is they are basically acting 24/7 in public
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like that relationship. You know, I wouldn't normally
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turn around and say something like this in terms of like, you
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know, I'm not there, I don't know how it goes but I can see
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with everything that's going on. Plus my own personal experience,
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their relationship is awful, it's terrible, they shouldn't be
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together, you know, I know they probably stuck together for the
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kids. They try to make a family unit
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and I totally respect that but if you're not happy you
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shouldn't be together. That's that's the long and short
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of it. It makes everything else worse
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and that's what I see. They just seem to be acting. 47,
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which in its self, must be really tiring and secondly,
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like, that must be hell when you get home and you can finally
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take the mask off and sit down and God.
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Well, what must that be like? It's kind of in a begin to
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imagine what that must be like. Um, I definitely would say that.
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A lot of it definitely is acting in a sense.
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I do think that a lot of it is a, you know, they're doing this
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for publicity, which makes sense.
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They've been in the game for multiple decades.
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I'm sure they know how the media works and how to attract
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people's attention. I do think that kind of using
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their marriage as like this. This this tool almost to gain
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this attention. I think it's definitely Not
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something that's unheard of, I would say, I would say that it's
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somewhat common in history that we can find that.
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Do I think that they don't know what they're doing, though?
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No. And the reason why is because
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like I said they've been in this game for so long, I'm sure that
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they when they get home and like you said, they take that mask
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off. I'm sure that they both have
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agreements on certain things regarding what they put out to
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the media as to how they want to handle these things.
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Because there's definitely an angle to this, where it's like
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they're producing income, they're getting more views, more
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xmx more, whatever it may be. I think that at least for me, I
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tried not to take. what's going on with them as seriously just
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because of all that previous context in a sense of that make
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sense just how long they've been doing this, their age, all the
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history that they have to to a see think it's kind of a BS and
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that just putting on some sort of Essentially like a facade in
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order to just get more attention.
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I think it's a combination of both.
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I think that there's definitely like there's something wrong
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going on over there. But they're also like, hey, if
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this wrong thing is happening, you know, we could also, you
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know, like, I think that it's definitely a mix of both.
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I feel like, going, sorry. I was gonna say, I don't know
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which one is more. I don't know if it's more
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genuine, or if it's more active. But there's definitely like, you
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know, 60/40 70/30 on one or the other side if that makes sense.
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Stink. Like and it being brings me to a
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bigger point which I want to move with.
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Is this idea of reputation? I feel like Will Smith has
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completely shattered his reputation because I thought at
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first, I looked at this from professional wrestling
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standpoint as like, it's a work, it's not real, its fake, it's a
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work. That's a work, right?
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And then I, you know, I watch some other things some like body
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analysis, things. I had some time to like you
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know, that because that's the thing guys.
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Always take some time to think. Things through before, you speak
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for you, voice your opinion because the longer you take the
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more, you look at it for a lens and the more, you understand it,
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and I completely did a 180. I looked at it, as I know, this
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isn't a work, this isn't fake. This is just a really horribly
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uncomfortable situation. That doesn't benefit anyone.
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I mean it kind of inadvertently benefited, Chris Rock.
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Like he's not, he'll be fine. This won't like the work, the
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worst situation that come out of this.
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For what Chris rockers, haha, that guy slapped you, which, to
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be honest, you don't care. I'm sure he's been attacked
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plenty of times for doing comedy before, like, and also, there's
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just one thing by the way. Did you notice like when he got
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here? I looked it.
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As soon as he got hit, I was like, there's a man who's
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definitely been punched in the face before.
23:01
You know what I mean? Because it's like once you've
23:03
been punched in the face, like, I've been punched in the face.
23:05
I'm, yeah, I don't know if you've been punched in the face,
23:06
but it's like you're not afraid of it anymore.
23:10
Like, you know what, to expect, not as painful as you think.
23:13
I mean, obviously depends who's punching you, but that is hard
23:17
on the stomach. Yeah, yeah, look at your base is
23:22
built for. It's literally built for it.
23:23
Your stomach is. Yeah, you get punched in there.
23:26
So you get winded. Bubba blah.
23:27
Like, I've been punched in the face before, and I can tell you
23:29
that that I mean I was high at the time those that does make a
23:33
difference, but I was young. I was young.
23:36
I was a long long time ago, but I remember bracing myself for it
23:43
and it happened and I was like, in my head, I was like, oh, like
23:46
it does hurt, but not that much. And this guy was a pain, not as
23:51
a, it just doesn't, again, your piece is built for it.
23:55
You have your cheekbones, your jaw, your school.
23:57
It just doesn't really hurt as much for me, it's definitely the
24:02
If you don't have, if you haven't prepared yourself
24:06
forward, or haven't had it before it, definitely, it's a
24:08
much sharper. Much it kind of shoots through
24:11
your body, almost I would say, yeah, I think people forget is,
24:16
was like all your organs, and everything.
24:18
All the action is going on here. So if someone hits you there,
24:21
it's like, it's no surprise that you drop to the floor, like, you
24:24
know, I mean, I said, yeah, it is what it is.
24:28
But anyway, yeah, just bringing it back to reputation.
24:33
I feel like Not just in this situation with with Will sway
24:37
from Chris Rock but just in general like you have to be so
24:40
careful when you're putting anything out online and or not
24:44
us necessarily online but anything you do.
24:48
It's a public performance, anything you do.
24:50
So you always have to think about what you say, how you
24:52
present things, whether everything is consistent, you
24:56
know, I worry about this all the time.
24:58
I look at my day job and then I look at everything else I'm
25:02
doing online and I wonder like if these people would see what I
25:04
do online with, would that have an impact?
25:08
Because I don't do anything particularly.
25:09
So this just so you know, but if they would just see like I don't
25:12
know, some random videos, I did one time live in the podcast,
25:15
I'll be fine because it's kind of professional and stuff.
25:17
But, you know, when it's other things, I'm just like with that
25:21
affect things, because perception is so important.
25:24
You know what I mean? And once a perception is
25:26
shattered, it changes everything because I sometimes, when you
25:29
meet someone and they do something that you didn't like
25:31
or the disrespected you or, or they just did a behavior.
25:35
That was like, the example I of always give is, let's say you're
25:39
in a workplace and your boss is always like calm and collected
25:43
and that's their demeanor. And then one day they just like
25:46
shout and scream at you and lose it.
25:47
It so that you'll never be able to look at them the same way
25:50
again, you know, and have the same level of respect because
25:54
it's gone, you know, because I mean shouting at someone is a
25:57
disrespect for Action much the same as this situation stopping
26:02
someone because you're emotional about something is disrespectful
26:06
thing to do and I don't know he's no longer the The cool calm
26:15
collected guy that we all you know, loved growing up.
26:18
He's this To be honest, emotional wreck, like I don't
26:24
know. Like I can't, I struggled to
26:26
have much sympathy for him as far as his actions concerned, I
26:29
understand his actions. I understand don't get me wrong.
26:32
We all have a limit, we will have a line but that had nothing
26:35
to do with Chris Rock that like that's just a shitty marriage
26:38
that needs to end an end now. Or I don't know, get marriage
26:43
counseling, whatever you need to do to fix that, but that should
26:45
be your focus because if you don't fix what's going on
26:49
internally, that's You stop punishing, the world punishing
26:53
other people. That's that's the way I saw
26:54
that. I mean, it just You can't punish
26:58
everyone else for what's going on in here.
27:00
You know, I think that I think that what you said is true that
27:06
Will Smith is definitely not the same person we saw growing up,
27:09
but I also would say that it would be somewhat irrational to
27:13
want better or that to be a reality because you know growing
27:17
up people will change. I'm sure every two to three
27:20
years from now, you will not be the same person as the person
27:23
that I have right here on my computer screen, same goes for
27:26
Will Smith in the Wind. And he has kind of like this
27:28
entire campaign about himself going on right now.
27:31
We're even before he talked about or even before this Chris
27:36
Rock incident. He also he posed in front of a
27:39
camera shirtless just in his underwear and he talked about
27:42
how he let himself go. He talked about pretty much a
27:46
lot of his failures to. He also recently was talking
27:49
about how his father abused him when he was growing up and he
27:52
contemplating actually killing him for what?
27:57
He did not only to him but also to his mother.
28:01
And once once you kind of get all this context on him, it's
28:04
like, okay. Like no, of course, it kind of
28:06
makes sense that as you get, as he got older and older, his
28:09
actions are beginning to kind of like change and you're able he's
28:13
able to kind of break past that that show of being like that
28:17
cool guy. And now he's kind of letting out
28:19
his emotions more and more and, you know, Reaching that level of
28:24
Fame that he had at such a young age.
28:26
Like I'm sure certain certain that it had certain implications
28:29
on his emotional state that we just weren't aware of.
28:31
So, I try to look at Will Smith as more of like a human being
28:35
that's just changing as opposed to, you know, he's not well
28:38
Smith anymore because because he is, you know, we all go through
28:40
things, we all change, we all experienced some things, as you
28:45
said suffering, really? And the one thing that occurs
28:48
about of suffering is just change.
28:51
I think that You know, he's been Rich for such a long time that
28:55
slapping Chris Rock. Of course seemed like it was
28:59
definitely in his ability to do so and it was I mean, it doesn't
29:02
seem to me like he's at any real repercussions for it.
29:06
Do I think that it necessarily denounces him as a person or
29:11
denounced him as Chris Rock now? Or I'm sorry as well.
29:13
Smith know, I think that were just seeing again, kind of all
29:18
this pressure that he's been talking about very recently to
29:21
coming out and just one particular Whether it be because
29:23
of the marriage, because of his personal life because of his
29:25
Reflections, all these different things, I'm sure built up in
29:29
that one moment and he felt like he had to act.
29:31
That's how I see it. I see it as more of a Reasonable
29:36
explosion. I would almost say and honestly
29:38
if I were in his position I'm not sure if I would do anything
29:41
different. Yeah, no, I totally agree with
29:45
you and thank you for sharing. I think that's a really well for
29:50
through perspective. I've had that perspective before
29:53
as well on this. And I mean my response to that
29:59
would be the end of the day. I think the expectation
30:02
generally is, as you get older, you get wiser, you get more
30:08
because there's two types of intelligence, you've got your
30:10
standard, kind of, I suppose knowledge and Life experience
30:13
and everything. And then you've got emotional
30:15
intelligence as well, which is totally different ballgame.
30:18
And that's more to do with, you know, not just controlling one's
30:22
emotions, but understanding, how emotions work and stuff like
30:26
that. When you were talking, then
30:29
though, the key thing that came into my mind, was this idea of
30:33
like, repressed trauma, you know, because you made Solid
30:36
points, you know, he can't became Rich, a young age, we've
30:39
seen that time and time again. How that has an impact on people
30:43
pushed into like not and not just we're not just talking
30:46
about anyone here he was at the very top he was like King in the
30:50
90s, you know from everything movies, popular culture
30:54
television music. He's king of the world.
30:58
Well then human sphere, at least, but That obviously is
31:03
going to have its impact. It's going to take its toll
31:05
completely I totally get that. Here's the thing like when
31:14
you've got access to all those resources and money and stuff
31:17
like that, like you've got to learn to take care of you first
31:20
and foremost, you know, and you've got to grow in every
31:24
sense of the word and that's the thing.
31:29
Like growth is a continuous thing.
31:31
It's always you know like if anything like the reason why I
31:34
don't have as much sympathy as maybe other people is that you
31:37
know Will Smith is in his 50s. He's got showed you marriage
31:44
children to children. I think they're adults.
31:46
Now, I think on the other their 20s or whatever like their early
31:50
early twenties, right? So it's like, You get to that
31:57
point, like geez, I mean, I'm 28 now and I can tell you in the
32:01
last five to six years, there's been a lot of growth and I put
32:07
that straight down to experience.
32:09
I mean, for example, I know that you're do, you mind if I share
32:11
your age, Yeah. So, and that's the amazing thing
32:17
to me when I listen to you speak, I'm like, I'm amazed like
32:21
how mature and stuff like that, but the thing that comes to my
32:24
mind is you probably been through some stuff that's
32:28
shifted. How you think, do you know what
32:30
I mean? You don't, you don't get to that
32:31
level of maturity without having gone through some shit
32:35
experience, some stuff, seen some things, that's how
32:38
experience Works in life, you know, but the thing is, it's a
32:41
choice, how you choose Choose to use it.
32:43
You can use experiences and not learn anything from them or let
32:48
them be a victim or let them Define.
32:50
You not saying that's what Wills doing.
32:51
I'm just saying, you know, in general, I think with will, I
32:56
think it's more a case of not addressing it.
32:59
I think, you know, with the things that you spoke about, you
33:01
know, the things that happened with his father, rising to fame
33:06
at a young age. And now, I don't think it's a
33:09
coincidence that he's with this woman who me, Plates and uses
33:13
him. And he doesn't fight but I don't
33:19
I'm not sure he has the strength to do it and I'm not questioning
33:22
him as a man, you know, it's not about that.
33:25
It's It's about having the strength and belief in yourself
33:30
to know that you will be okay if you walk away like yeah, I
33:34
learned I wish them the best. I hope that it works out in some
33:37
shape or form, but right now he needs to do some soul-searching
33:41
and really like address this properly and whether that's
33:44
through therapy or whether that's through, I don't know,
33:47
whatever you need to do, you know, like you've got to address
33:50
that. And I think that that's um, I
33:54
think I have a two points. I want to make.
33:56
So I think the first thing that you said that you kind of
33:57
started off with is that you said that you said something
34:01
about emotions and how emotions, you know, I, I personally think
34:06
that he went through this thing, all these things at a young age
34:09
and then, of course, you blew up at a very young age.
34:11
And I think that, at that point in time, he wasn't able to truly
34:14
understand what process, what happened to him, because they
34:16
were so much forward. There wasn't enough time to look
34:18
backward, I would say, hmm and emotions are very complex.
34:23
This thing when you're happy, you're going to express it in a
34:26
completely different way than I do, when I'm happy for multiple
34:28
reasons, whether it be from your background, your culture, maybe
34:32
you have sort of hobbies that influence, how you get happy,
34:34
maybe you like to dance. So maybe when you get happy like
34:37
to dance or maybe you like to write, so you can happy write
34:39
about what you see in the moment.
34:40
All these different things, you know, from the time that we were
34:44
in somebody's a, you know, honestly, somebody says tackles
34:48
and then we came into this world.
34:50
We've had a completely different Experience of everything.
34:56
And it's really difficult to be able to look at every single
34:59
last person in this sort of light.
35:01
But once you begin to try to have that overarching
35:04
perspective, at least for me, when I look at Will Smith, I'm
35:07
able to see that all these things happen to him at a young
35:10
age. And honestly it, I mean, I think
35:11
I was around his age when he blew up.
35:14
I think that at this stage where I'm at, I'm still just really
35:18
generally reflecting my childhood and how that affects
35:21
me to this day. Then just seeing how the things
35:25
that I for my first perceptions of the world, how I currently
35:29
may still have them or how I currently don't and I'm
35:33
learning, which ones are useful to me, which ones aren't.
35:36
And this is a very valuable time for me.
35:38
This is why partly part of the reason why I even do what I do
35:41
because I'm able to get so many different perspectives from
35:44
different people who are older or maybe even sometimes just a
35:47
little bit younger to see how they're dealing with these
35:49
things. And honestly it again, if I were
35:52
Will Smith In his position and our to blow up right now.
35:55
If I just got like a million Tick-Tock followers, you know,
36:00
there's no at that point, there's nothing to look back at
36:02
because now forward is forward, as it's hitting me like a truck,
36:06
you know? And I think that, you know, once
36:09
once he got that, you know, having kids at that point, when
36:13
you have that much money it's it's less of in, it's less of a
36:17
stress. You have all you have all these
36:19
resources that are necessary to you.
36:21
Honestly like having a child at that point.
36:23
It's just Just, it's just a thing that you can very easily
36:27
do. And I think that The hardest
36:32
thing at that point to deal with, I would say, once you want
36:36
to blow up, would probably be your emotions.
36:38
And again, I've already said how difficult emotions are to
36:41
process. When I get angry again, it'll be
36:44
in a completely different way that you do, and we all have
36:47
different emotions that we have trouble processing.
36:50
I think that my emotion that I have the most issue, misuse
36:52
processing is probably Probably sadness.
36:58
I don't like to entertain sadness.
37:00
I try to avoid sadness as much as I can.
37:02
I don't like watching dog, movies.
37:04
Oh my God. My way.
37:07
I will go the opposite way to not watch a dark movie.
37:10
I do not like entertaining that emotion emotions, very difficult
37:13
for my, the chemical reactions in my body for me to understand
37:18
how to process those. And that's just me, you know I'm
37:20
just a regular human being and it will Smith has come forward
37:24
talking about everything that's happened.
37:26
Past. And I think that to me, if
37:29
anything it, you know, it makes him more human, you know, maybe
37:34
maybe I'd see Will Smith a little bit more differently if
37:36
he wasn't a because even before he slapped Chris Rock, he was
37:40
talking about all these things and maybe I'd see it a little
37:43
bit differently if he wasn't so open about all these things that
37:46
are happening and open about how bad his marriages and open about
37:49
these things because I do it, I think he does that for a reason.
37:50
I think he does that. So everyone else can can learn
37:53
from it and see his mistakes. Are you can go ahead.
37:58
Okay. The reason I disagree with this
38:01
is only a one point, I think all of the stuff that you're talking
38:06
about with regards to himself reflected when his life totally
38:09
agree with that. Yeah, that's spite of the
38:11
recovery process. But specifically when it comes
38:14
to his wife that chat show that she's got where she are as dirty
38:18
laundry to the world. That's her thing, that's what
38:22
she chooses to do. And he has to take part in that
38:26
because sheet, that's what she wants.
38:29
Yeah, I'm telling you, man. It's a manipulative
38:31
relationship. I've seen it time and time
38:33
again. I've experienced it myself.
38:35
It's like a guarantee you if he got away from that woman, and it
38:39
was just him on his own, or him with another woman.
38:42
You'd see a totally different guy, I don't see how I was the
38:47
fact that she had that shot. I wasn't even I'm not to I'm
38:50
more. I know a lot more about Will
38:51
Smith that I do about his wife. So what you're saying,
38:54
definitely good point. And of course you definitely
38:56
like it's out of that you've listened to the show a little
38:59
bit. So, you know how so no, even I
39:00
just I've Just Seen Clips. I mean I was introduced to it
39:04
when they had their big conversation.
39:06
Everyone memes and makes jokes out of and stuff like that.
39:12
I looked into it a little bit, just to kind of get an idea of
39:14
what's going on, especially when this stuff transpired, because I
39:18
already knew about their relationship as most of us have
39:22
by looked at it with a different light because I looked at it
39:24
from from my personal experience, what I've
39:27
experienced in the past. For example, I give another
39:29
example when I looked at the Johnny Depp situation with Amber
39:33
Heard, There was one clip that made me, realize hundred percent
39:39
that he's innocent. It was something very simple.
39:43
He was at some film festival or something and he's talking to
39:49
reporters, and he begins to kind of look over his shoulder,
39:56
right? As if to kind of ask for
39:59
approval from Amber, Heard who comes over, The way that he does
40:04
it is like he's waiting for approval acceptance and it's not
40:11
exactly fear but it's, it's control when one person
40:15
controls. Another person, manipulative lie
40:18
or from an abuse perspective. It's like That person almost is
40:25
being gaslighted but also gaslights themself.
40:27
I did it. I did it to myself.
40:28
You know you convince yourself that?
40:30
Oh no this is okay. Oh no they have my best
40:33
interests or no this is but you're creating a false reality,
40:38
you know. It's not real, it's not, it's
40:40
not true. And in that one clip I recognize
40:42
that and I mean it freaked me out because I've I've been and I
40:46
saw that I was like Jesus man. Like I've been now.
40:50
I know what that looks like. I didn't realize when it
40:53
happened to me and it's a scary thing and that's what I see with
40:56
will spend, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying I don't have
40:58
sympathy for Will Smith, I was a bit annoyed at the fact that he
41:02
chose to to do that but everything else.
41:05
Like, you know, of course, you feel sympathy for this guy.
41:08
It's he's he's like trapped in this situation almost and it
41:14
takes a tremendous amount of strength to to step away from
41:19
that. Emotionally and and move
41:23
forward, and actually do something about it and address
41:25
it. That's so so, so difficult.
41:29
And I have to believe that it's because of everything that's at
41:35
stake. So to speak.
41:36
But what would you really lose? What would you?
41:39
What would you really lose if he stepped away?
41:40
You know, it's like Okay, you're not the the the couple anymore,
41:46
you know, but like everyone knows that the marriage isn't
41:49
working. Anyway just and I feel so bad
41:55
for the guy. So I know we've spoken at length
41:57
about this but I think the reason why it's interesting is
41:59
because of not specifically the incident itself, but what it
42:02
represents in terms of relationships, do you know what
42:05
I mean? And like the things you can take
42:08
from it and learn from it because even to this day, think
42:11
things keep coming out about it and Developments and stuff like
42:14
that. And I look at it.
42:18
You know, because I mean you're a mature young man.
42:21
Like I'm older person. I'm nearly 30 now.
42:24
I'm like 10:29 in May when I look at a situation like that, I
42:28
don't laugh at things like that anymore.
42:30
When it first happened I saw it. I initially I was a bit like
42:35
shocked, there was a bit of laughing.
42:37
I'll be honest because I was like, what the fuck but then I
42:40
sort of sat down and thought about it and I was like this is
42:43
not funny. This is Disturbing to be honest.
42:49
And that, and that's the reality being in the medulla, isn't it?
42:52
When you sit down and really think about things.
42:56
It's hard to do. I think we're all guilty of it,
42:58
sometimes we see things out of context.
43:00
We see things just happen and our initial reaction is what it
43:03
is. But when you sit down and really
43:05
dig into something, then you begin to realize, like, oh my
43:08
God, things are like this, you know, and it's, it's just, it's
43:14
just part of Being Human, I think.
43:16
But certainly, I do think, as you get older, your lens of how
43:19
you look at things changes, everything, right?
43:25
I wanted to know. Little bit more about kind of
43:28
you outside of your podcast. So what will come back than
43:31
what? I've got.
43:31
A few more questions about the podcast but I just want to focus
43:34
on you for a minute. Like What's your background like
43:40
we're because clearly obviously you've got a gift for
43:43
communication, you've got a gift for being able to talk to
43:45
people. It does that come from studying?
43:47
Does that come from? I don't know.
43:49
Maybe something you learned in childhood or that.
43:51
Where does that come from? Like, who are you?
43:54
Exactly, who are you? I think it comes from.
43:58
It's almost like a childish innocence of just asking why,
44:02
you know, I think that's really what it is.
44:04
When you really think about it is you know like for example the
44:06
you and me. I mean we both I saw Will Smith
44:10
slap Chris Rock and instead of laughing or and instead of just
44:13
gasping really mean. The first question, that came to
44:15
my head was like why, you know? And it since I was a kid, I'd
44:18
always kind of asked that question a lot annoyingly, but I
44:23
guess I just never let go but it also has a lot to do with where
44:28
my parents are from there from Honduras, which is a cool.
44:31
They're from a, it's believe, it's still classified as third
44:35
world country, lots of I think it had the highest rate of
44:38
Homicide in the world. So I basically had to you know
44:42
just learn a lot and be able to make accurate and quick
44:47
judgments about their surroundings, pretty quickly,
44:49
just to be able to, you know, live healthily, they had to work
44:55
very hard and they pass these just the Knowledge onto me for
45:00
example, just like simple things like, don't leave your purse out
45:03
or don't leave your book bag out in the middle of your car.
45:05
So I'm just going to break your window.
45:06
Grab it all these things. They taught me at a very, very
45:09
young age and they taught me how to be able to assess situations
45:13
very quickly. And, you know, I kind of got to
45:16
asking them. I was, like, why?
45:17
Like, why do you, you know, why do you do that?
45:20
And then, you know, I kind of they broke it down with me and
45:23
then, I think, you know, having those conversations with my
45:25
parents kind of stemmed out into having it with other people,
45:28
that would say, I had the exact same thing with my mom growing
45:32
up, and she was criticized heavily for it by everyone
45:36
around her like, oh, you should talk to him like that.
45:40
He's just a boy. He's just a child, he's not an
45:42
adult, but I was exactly the same as you every five minutes.
45:46
Why why? And I'd get shit school for it.
45:48
I get shit from family for that, you know, because a lot of
45:52
people older than you what these years ago would be like because
45:58
Is because it just is. And it's like, I'm sorry.
46:01
But that's not get such an unsatisfying answer.
46:03
I actually like, and you actually want to know why, you
46:06
know, like it's what it's like, it's like saying something to
46:09
someone like don't press the red button.
46:11
Well, I mean, you shouldn't have even told me that the bed button
46:14
exists. Now I'm never going to stop
46:16
asking you about red button. Like, you know, I'm gonna push
46:19
it 15 times, you know, this is special, is that Curiosity?
46:23
Kind of it grew to me. And this way, Say we're in this
46:31
funny way. I guess, who I just talked to
46:32
you on the phone, I basically asked them why that's pretty
46:35
much what it comes down to it. I'd say so auu study, do you
46:41
have like a degree that you're studying or international
46:45
relations? Okay.
46:46
So that is that related to politics or is it geography, the
46:52
general Global state of the of the planet Earth.
46:55
Pretty much any you. Looking to get into politics
46:59
yourself, or, or do you have like a different picture?
47:06
Not really sure. Still figuring out.
47:08
Well, there's plenty of time. I can tell you that it took me a
47:11
while to figure out what I wanted to do probably till Put
47:15
about two or three years ago that I truly figured it out, to
47:18
be honest. So most of my 20s, I was like,
47:22
yeah, squint when you settle down.
47:26
Well, I mean I never so as a rule, oh, I take that back the
47:33
thing. You decide I do.
47:35
You know what I mean? I did not mean that no worries
47:37
mentors. I'll just, I'll just being
47:39
picky. I got my degree, I did
47:44
management with marketing because I hated working in
47:47
customer services. I'll keep the story short guys,
47:49
because I know you've heard it a million times but he asked me.
47:52
So I'm going to answer, you know, what's in the field, a
47:56
little bit in corporate, and it was okay.
47:59
Originally, it was amazing because I was like, wow, they're
48:01
going to pay me to just do this. Marketing is great in that
48:04
sense, but then after a while I got a bit disillusioned because
48:07
I wasn't doing anything creative, I wasn't doing
48:09
anything that I wanted to do the ignites So and that's the key
48:13
you have to do stuff for work. That ignites your soul and some
48:17
people can put those things aside.
48:19
They can go for a paycheck because you know what?
48:23
Like it pays enough and there's they live for everything else
48:27
but I just couldn't do that. I couldn't do the whole nine to
48:29
five and not be excited about what I do.
48:34
So basically my goals are acting voice acting podcasting music,
48:41
and the curfew Other things, anything creative, basically,
48:44
and my day job is just like freelancing and Recruitment and
48:48
marketing, and sales. So range of different things and
48:54
I'm happy, I truly am, but my mind is always looking forward
49:00
and like, how can it be better? I would love.
49:03
I would love to be able to do the things like this for a
49:05
living because I feel like this isn't work.
49:07
This is a joy. This is I love this.
49:11
I love having conversations with other people.
49:16
And I think that, you know, I see, I see, as I'm sure you have
49:19
like Heroes that, you know, you look up to who make it work, who
49:23
managed to get a living from doing things like this and you
49:26
never to me, that's inspiring to myself.
49:28
But I think to answer your question, fully that the moment
49:32
that it clicked was Around the time that I decided to get back
49:38
into being creative, which is around 2019.
49:41
Incidentally, when I first started acting and from that
49:45
point onwards, I was like, okay I'm going to make a commitment
49:48
to pursuing these creative goals, whatever, you know, I'll
49:51
keep doing whatever it is. I need to do to make the bills
49:54
come in, but I am also always looking at other ways to make
49:59
Revenue because I believe that you should always have several
50:03
different, revenue streams, no matter what.
50:05
Lee these days if the pandemic taught us anything, it's that
50:08
like, no job is secure, doesn't matter what you're doing to have
50:12
a lot of different revenue streams and like watch your back
50:15
like look for you, look out for yourself first and foremost, you
50:18
know, when companies say stuff like oh we're a family, don't
50:22
listen to that bullshit. That's would you would you kick
50:25
throughout your family when they need you most know?
50:30
Come on I got family when it suits them that's very much
50:36
that's a whole other conversation but yeah I mean
50:40
suppose the point here is that like that moment when you figure
50:44
it out what you want to do, I think it comes for a process of
50:49
trying different things but it also comes from understanding
50:54
Who You Are. And what you are best at, what
50:59
you contribute and I can't speak for yourself.
51:01
But I mean after having checked out your show and what you do,
51:06
you clearly have a gift for communication.
51:08
And that's something that whatever you do in life, you'll
51:12
probably find that it involves a lot of communication for me.
51:16
I realized that everything I do involves creativity and also
51:23
communication as well. Those two things.
51:26
It's like the thread that links everything together.
51:31
There will always be something within your life that links
51:33
everything together and it makes sense like why you've done the
51:36
things you've done to get to this point and why you continue
51:39
to do the things that you do? Like, I don't believe any time
51:42
is truly Wastin. It's just getting you to where
51:44
you need to go, but you have to learn those lessons first.
51:48
And yeah, it's an interesting journey and you know, whatever
51:52
you end up doing your look back and it will all make sense.
51:58
Got a son like a right old man. Now it happens.
52:02
It hits you one day, you know. I it wasn't that long ago that I
52:06
was just the Young, The Young fool and now I'm the old fool
52:14
pendulum around there. I guess it doesn't get people
52:16
out there. They'll always be someone older
52:17
than you. They'll be like, oh, you or your
52:19
little baby? You're and I'm like, I don't
52:22
feel it, like I do. because that's the thing that they don't
52:27
teach you as well is that you don't suddenly become an adult,
52:32
you just get older, the years keep coming and they don't stop
52:35
coming and You in your mind. And I've seen this time and time
52:41
again, that there's people, I know that like in their 60s and
52:43
70s and they have like the mind of a 20 or 30 year old and not,
52:46
not like, they're immature, but like they could conquer the
52:49
world, you know, they still have that that fire.
52:52
But unfortunately, the body just keeps aging and you have to
52:56
accept that change as he can't fight it but at the same time,
53:02
it's like We we just, we just keep getting older and it's our
53:07
choice, whether we learn or not, like sometimes you'll meet
53:09
people in life that like and I'm sure you meet them sometimes
53:12
where they're like 30, 40, 50, 60 and they're so mature and
53:16
you're like, how is this possible?
53:19
I don't understand how you could go through life and not grow at
53:23
all. Like what, but I think that
53:25
comes down to choice. I honestly do.
53:28
Yes. Yes, it's a choice and it's a
53:30
matter of self-reflection. It's off reflection isn't easy
53:34
because the brain and the brains first mechanism usually for
53:39
whenever you're confronted with things that you may not want to
53:42
be confronted with is to be defensive, you don't you, you
53:45
don't think the hardest thing about it is I have to tell
53:47
yourself that you were wrong and you have to make accurate
53:54
judgments on how you could have been better about it either with
53:58
somebody else's guidance or on your own.
53:59
But either Egypt, you want to be want to be good at doing it on
54:02
your own, but Of course, guidance, never never hurts, but
54:05
you always want to, it's kind of hard to get to that point.
54:08
I'd say take this a lot of A lot of humility.
54:13
Humility is a little bit hard to come by sometimes.
54:17
Tell me about it over the years. I've seen that it's just like is
54:21
it really that difficult to apologize and just own your
54:25
mistakes that people act like that's such a big deal?
54:28
I mean, it is a big deal in since, you know, represent what
54:31
it represents and why it's important.
54:33
But the actual action of it, people act like it's like a
54:36
dishonor on. It's like, no, it's just being
54:38
human like you, you're not perfect.
54:40
No one is perfect. and yeah, it sucks, you know, thinking about
54:45
mistakes, you've made people, you've hurt, you know, but that
54:48
is part of life and part of growth and all you can really do
54:51
is the best you can, in that particular moment and make a
54:57
sort of promise that you're going to learn from those
55:01
things. Both to yourself and to others.
55:04
And, you know, it's a journeyman, I don't know.
55:08
I think, I think people a lot of the time they get too caught up
55:11
in things like oh who's right, you know, and Justice.
55:14
And don't get me wrong, that there are times in life, when
55:17
when Justice is important, like when there has been a true
55:20
Injustice against someone based on things like race or religion
55:24
or gender or something like that, that's different.
55:28
But when we're talking about, like, just the day-to-day things
55:32
that happen, it's Like that's life man.
55:36
That's you know, you just kind of gotta like accept that Life
55:40
happens and you need to learn and do the best you can with in
55:44
that moment and keep moving forward.
55:47
So you're a fan of rock climbing and fitness.
55:54
What does fitness mean to you? And what kind of lessons have
55:59
you learned that you apply to life through Fitness all the
56:04
time and every single last day that I exercise just all it
56:09
really it too. You exercise really means is
56:11
that it's a test of when you're in a moment where you're
56:15
struggling and you feel like your body is just giving up on
56:18
you. It what it really comes down to
56:20
is, it's you find out who you are.
56:23
You're the person that tries or the person that gives up.
56:27
And that's really what it comes down to it.
56:29
And keep the key word is try, you don't have to succeed, but
56:35
you either try or you don't and it's really what it comes down
56:39
to and those Specific moments. I find is that sometimes I give
56:44
up and it's okay to give up sometimes, but you always want
56:50
to be the type of person that tries under every single last
56:53
circumstance. Sometimes some days you're not
56:54
going to feel it. Some days you're not gonna walk
56:57
to do it, but it's all about just trying.
56:59
And I think that's what Fitness really is every day.
57:03
It's just a test of trying and, of course you reap physical
57:06
benefits, feel stronger. You feel happier.
57:11
Improved chemical balances in your body to be happier when you
57:16
look in the mirror, all these things are positives but really
57:18
what it comes down to. For me it's more of a mental
57:20
test where I get to find out who I am that day, if I make sense.
57:26
Yeah, I'm totally agree with all of that and I just keep thinking
57:30
like, how are you so wise at this age?
57:32
Like, well, look at think is just like amazing parents and
57:36
just, you've just hit the ground running when it comes to
57:40
learning life lessons at a young age, it's seriously amazing.
57:43
Like, every human being is different in terms of how we
57:48
take things on and learn and stuff, but I don't think I
57:50
really started learning proper life lessons till my mid-20s
57:55
like, when I had time to kind of Just reflect on everything that
57:59
happened in the past four or five years and like decompress
58:03
and actually absorb the lessons and learn them.
58:06
You know, it's just, it's just amazing.
58:08
Like, honestly, like kudos to you could ask your parents.
58:12
Well done. Thank you.
58:17
Throughout the course of producing your show would have
58:19
been the kind of favorite conversations you had so far.
58:26
This this question, Changes because I feel like every day
58:30
you wake up in a different mood, if I make sense today, I woke up
58:33
and kind of like woke up little bit late.
58:38
But I think the reason why this conversation sticks out to me is
58:41
because like, I was a little annoyed.
58:45
I woke up late and then I remember I had this conversation
58:47
with this guy who had terminal cancer and he was talking about
58:55
and it's the way this man came off too.
58:57
It was in saying he had this certain people have certain or
59:01
is whenever it is that you speak to them.
59:03
And you can truly tell if they're happy or not and this,
59:07
Sky was very, very at peace with his diagnosis and he was talking
59:12
to me about it. And he was telling me that, you
59:16
know, That when he when he found out that he was diagnosed, he
59:20
got a sense of Peace because he knew how he was going to die.
59:23
He knew that cancer was going to shut down his systems one by
59:26
one. Oh he also said there's two
59:29
questions in life. Is there life after death and
59:32
how am I going to die? He said the first one he doesn't
59:34
know but the second one. Oh he said the first one is
59:38
there life after death. He said, I'll let you know and
59:42
then the second one he said, But he has the answer to that
59:47
question and that really it's the it's the peacefulness.
59:52
It was the wholeness. It was the acceptance that he
59:53
had about that question. I really am.
59:56
But I think about sometimes I'm like, man, like I wonder if he
1:00:00
knows why I told him so I hope he knows.
1:00:03
But I was like damn like that that it's just that that
1:00:07
peacefulness and that wholeness that acceptance is what kind of
1:00:12
motivating in a sense. You know it's a motivating to
1:00:14
want to reach that level of maturity in Acceptance of being
1:00:21
someone, that's able to be in that situation.
1:00:23
And like you said, again it's a choice to choose not to soak
1:00:29
about it, you know, and it's it's it's a wonderful example
1:00:33
of. I guess how I want to live.
1:00:35
That makes sense. And there are these moments in
1:00:39
life that are quite poignant or Then I went one where we don't
1:00:47
even necessarily have to be reflecting on things.
1:00:49
We can just be in that moment, you know.
1:00:52
So I think of times when I've just been walk along like a
1:00:56
nature trail petting, a dog hugging my mother, I don't know
1:00:59
something like that and it's like a just a beautiful moment
1:01:06
where you're at, peace with everything and suddenly you stop
1:01:11
worrying about all the stuff that doesn't matter and you
1:01:13
think about what does matter No. See that's different for
1:01:17
everyone but I imagine in that particular gentleman's mindset.
1:01:23
it's like, Nothing. There's nothing to worry about
1:01:26
anymore, you know. Now it's just about enjoying
1:01:31
yourself. and taking each day as it comes which we should be
1:01:36
doing anyway, you know, when I have a bad day and sometimes
1:01:41
it'll be a few days, sometimes it'll be a week sometimes it
1:01:44
won't be for a long time, but I've started to tell myself is
1:01:50
Tomorrow is a new day. Better times are coming and
1:01:55
there's always some silver lining to be seen or I think
1:02:00
it's important to give yourself a sense of perspective.
1:02:03
You know what, when I start getting a bit low and I get a
1:02:05
bit self-deprecating and bit miserable I start to sort of not
1:02:10
like get annoyed at myself, but I sort of sit down and I'm like,
1:02:14
dude, gain some perspective right now, this is what you
1:02:17
have. And then I start thinking about
1:02:21
what I have, and I'm like, I'm, I'm blessed.
1:02:23
I'm very lucky to have this. And suddenly that feeling of
1:02:27
sadness, just it doesn't trickle away straight away.
1:02:31
But it starts to kind of calm down.
1:02:36
It does because you start to remember what's important.
1:02:40
And I think that's, that's the key like when we're truly
1:02:43
relaxed, It's beautiful. I think about a time when you
1:02:47
when you bring me your buddies or someone you love or whatever
1:02:49
and they're really stressed and you manage to calm them down and
1:02:53
then they're just in that moment with you and you're enjoying the
1:02:56
conversation and it's like a personality transformation.
1:03:04
See that person in their best light and you get the best from
1:03:07
them and just in that moment and not worried about tomorrow.
1:03:12
What happened yesterday, they're just there with you enjoying
1:03:15
that moment and I did not should always be the kind of goal, I
1:03:24
don't know. That's what I am for a lot of
1:03:26
the time is to try to do my best to be in that headspace you know
1:03:30
and really make the most of everything that's going on.
1:03:32
Because the reality is life is short, you know, you don't know
1:03:37
how long you've got and life can change in the blink of an eye.
1:03:43
So you've got to be present and making the most of what you have
1:03:50
and yeah since you're a very wise man, as such a young age,
1:03:56
I've got a couple of questions why I ask every guest these
1:03:59
questions, but I'm particularly intrigued to Hey, what you have
1:04:04
to say what's the best advice you've ever received?
1:04:18
The best advice. The best you can is good enough.
1:04:31
Damn, the way you put that sub for.
1:04:34
It's brilliant. Like I've heard similar things
1:04:37
even recently, but Yeah. I bet that's a great way to word
1:04:43
it because the the similar advice I've heard is you know
1:04:46
like the best on that particular day is the best you can do but
1:04:49
that's Hearing that hearing someone say it's good enough.
1:04:55
You're good enough. This is good enough.
1:04:57
That that's so important. Like I was I was I was given
1:05:00
someone a compliment earlier so not compliment.
1:05:04
We're me and a few friends were trying to make someone feel
1:05:08
better because they've been let down by a friend.
1:05:11
And we just kept piling on the compliments but they were
1:05:13
sincere and we meant them when we're like, hey, you know, it's
1:05:16
going to be okay, this is the way it is.
1:05:18
And, you know, if this person doesn't appreciate you We
1:05:21
appreciate you, because this is what you are, and your brilliant
1:05:24
Bubba buck. And they messaged me afterwards
1:05:26
to saying, thank you. Like, I feel so much better.
1:05:29
And I sat there, and I thought about like the impact of that,
1:05:32
because this person will feel like this again, you know, they,
1:05:35
Unfortunately, they have confidence issues as many of us
1:05:38
do and they, but they they're a very bubbly.
1:05:42
Warm friendly, happy person. It's kind of sad when they get
1:05:45
sad because it's like, you know, these people are so precious.
1:05:48
You know, like that bubbliness is something that That.
1:05:53
It's a beautiful thing in this existence, in this life that we
1:05:56
have you know, to be positive to be happy to be motivated,
1:06:02
whatever. You know, it's hard.
1:06:04
It's hard to keep that up and it's it's a thing.
1:06:07
You got to hold on to because it's sacred.
1:06:09
And the point is It's just good to be reminded of these things.
1:06:15
Every once in awhile that people say, oh words actions speak
1:06:18
louder than words. So I think it's important to
1:06:20
hear the word. Sometimes I think it's important
1:06:23
to hear like hey I'm proud of you.
1:06:25
You matter you're good enough, I love you whatever.
1:06:29
Like all of these things are so important to hear because it
1:06:33
reaffirms our own beliefs but it also Just makes us feel a
1:06:39
certain way which we need sometimes.
1:06:41
I think, thank you very much for sharing that.
1:06:46
And what's the biggest life lesson you've learned so far?
1:07:05
I think that the biggest one I learned so far is that it's
1:07:09
always easier to do the wrong thing and the right thing Oh you
1:07:15
mean in terms of choosing to do the wrong thing?
1:07:18
Like the morally wrong thing? Yes.
1:07:22
Hmm. If that makes sense?
1:07:25
No, for sure. I just want to make sure I
1:07:27
understood that correctly. Yeah because I agree with that
1:07:29
concept, totally. We often get These situations
1:07:36
come up in life. Then there's like, whoa, okay,
1:07:38
we can lie or we can tell the street for example and often
1:07:41
lying as a lot easier. But then People forget, you
1:07:45
know, lying is disrespectful. It's it's someone on my podcast.
1:07:50
Recently put it amazingly, I've never thought about this before.
1:07:53
They said, when you lie, you Bob someone of the truth, you robbed
1:07:58
someone of their reality, that was it you robbed?
1:08:02
Someone of reality? And I thought that I was like,
1:08:05
damn, because some and sometimes by doing that you shift, their
1:08:11
reality for years potentially, they can believe Something to
1:08:14
beat and they can base all their decisions and everything on that
1:08:18
one thing. And then suddenly ride, the
1:08:22
facade has been shattered and it's like, wow.
1:08:26
So, yeah, I totally agree with that concept and it's just the
1:08:31
harder. I often find that the harder
1:08:33
things to do in life, long term, always the best, you know, like
1:08:39
when you when you choose that, that more difficult path that,
1:08:43
you know, is right, you feel in your heart as right.
1:08:46
But I can think of so many times when I feel uncomfortable
1:08:50
because I know I need to tell someone something they need to
1:08:53
hear like it's the truth or you know, I like it.
1:08:56
Comfortable truth or or something?
1:08:58
And I'm like oh you feel it? Like it's so it would be so easy
1:09:02
to just lie and I'm like no. You need to just do the right
1:09:06
thing and then you do it and then often it's not until later
1:09:12
that it becomes that you see the benefit in the impact of that
1:09:16
often at first. Yeah, the person doesn't want to
1:09:18
hear and it's not great to hear but they'll respect you so much
1:09:21
more forgiving them, the truth given them what was right?
1:09:25
Rather than what they expect to hear.
1:09:28
I think a lot about. That's the thing about me and
1:09:30
telling the truth. Like, I just tell the truth
1:09:32
because like a it's a lot easier that way.
1:09:35
B is the right thing to do and see it's funny like how often
1:09:39
people don't expect that. You know like oh, okay.
1:09:44
Wow. Is that people expect to be
1:09:46
light is so bad. Anyway, as we draw things to a
1:09:53
close for today. Do you have any upcoming
1:09:54
projects or some final thoughts that you'd like to share with
1:09:57
our listeners? We just say that I'm just
1:10:01
posting new clips on Tick-Tock and I have, I think I literally
1:10:05
have over nine or ten episodes that I need to upload that.
1:10:08
I haven't gotten to because the school.
1:10:10
So I'm going to get on that Saturday, but definitely just
1:10:15
new clips on a different format that will be posting on
1:10:18
Instagram and Tick-Tock for the most part.
1:10:20
Thanks, and we'll keep it up. I think you're doing an amazing
1:10:23
job but I really like the concept.
1:10:26
It's been an absolute pleasure talking to you man.
1:10:28
Thank you so much for being on the show.
1:10:30
Thank you so much for your wonderful.
1:10:32
What does it Day evening? Was it?
1:10:35
Now it's evening. Yes.
1:10:36
It's even care. So I guess it's afternoon for
1:10:40
you, isn't it? Imagine.
1:10:41
Yeah, thank you so much and to all the listeners of the
1:10:44
Christian Reef podcast, as always be safe.
1:10:47
Be well, and I'll see you in the next one.