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Talks to Matt Michael about his choice of Silver Nemesis (2/3) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  None. Hamster with a blump.
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  Pen knife for doing quicker, quicker, quicker.
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  Quicker Are you ready for Episode 2, Joe?
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  I am ready for episode 2, Matt. Dude, I think it's.
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  Peaceful. I think it's shrouded, you know,
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  we can't see it. All right, let's go and find
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  Lady Pink. What's dead body?
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  Oh Jesus, What is it? What does it matter?
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  These are she's dead. But I am alive.
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  This is your tomb, Richard. What?
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  Matter. Well, look, shall we dive
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  straight in? Let's go in.
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  Let's do it. Let's not do any bumps if you're
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  part of the expression. Let's go in 321.
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  Off we go. How old were you then when this
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  was on? 8.
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  Oh, perfect. It's almost too perfect at that
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  age. It is.
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  It's it's brilliant. And this this series is the one
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  that I particularly remember as a kid.
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  I love Silver Nemesis. I remember I was at a Christmas
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  party when Greatest Show was on, because I think that I think
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  that just tipped over into 1989 with the last episode.
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  But it was a Christmas party and I sneaked out the Christmas
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  party into a little spare room to watch The Greatest show on
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  the TV. Which episode of Greatest Show
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  in the Galaxy was that? It must have got it must have
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  been episode 3, maybe two or. Three.
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  It was episode four. I think that's the one or one of
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  the very few McCoy episodes. That tipped 6 million.
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  I think it's 6.6 million. Yeah.
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  Thanks to you. Oh.
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  Or. Or me.
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  Oh, this is a long recap for McCoy.
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  Oh no, it's not too long. Here they are the.
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  Way his scarf sort of flies in the air like that.
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  Because of the like engines of the Cyberman.
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  Spaceship. I love the little disco lights
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  they've got inside there as well, it looks like.
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  Looks like they've got a little nightclub going on inside.
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  There's a few little. I'd love to take a poke around
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  that spaceship. There's a bit like a kind of the
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  entrance to a sauna or something like that.
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  Well, I'll tell you one or two things about that.
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  You've got no, it's like that at the entrance.
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  So you're sauna mine's just as all going down a back alley.
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  Up the gutters you go. Thinking more of the sort of
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  darkness in the sort of slightly sickly green glow coming from.
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  Somewhere. Enjoy.
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  I don't know. Right.
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  Have you seen some of those sad man bumps?
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  They're pretty men. Well, I mean.
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  I think that's how they got cast, John Nathan Turner bend
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  over, right? Oh, they love this pair.
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  Sylvester McCoy 's. Hope you ordered.
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  Diving away into craters, don't they?
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  They do it a couple of times. They do, and they're very good
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  at it as well. I I love Sylvester.
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  Mccoy's like very sort of silent comedy, isn't he?
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  It's just that kind of tactile. Sort of prat falling and things
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  like that. He's really good at.
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  You've got to think I'm mad. You know who he reminds me of
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  with his physical comedy? Patricia Rowledge.
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  She does the same sort of thing. She uses her whole body and she
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  exaggerates her facial expressions.
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  And it's very funny with McCoy and it's very funny with
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  Patricia. Rowley, if he if he'd been born
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  as producer in 1990, he would have been like Patricia Rowledge
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  is the new Doctor Who. Yes, that would be amazing.
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  Upwardly mobile Time Lord yeah. Oh, I love it be.
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  Careful of my round those days. What else was the thing that
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  annoyed me, though? JNT was always talking about how
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  he talked about comedy actors being in Doctor Who, and he'd
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  always cite Patricia Routledge as a great comedy actress that
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  delivers amazing drama. How did he never fucking cast
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  her? No.
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  What Cunt? She'd have been a brilliant
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  villain. She would.
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  Oh yeah. She would have been a shoe in, I
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  reckon, if there'd been a fourth McCoy series.
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  There's two things they love in the thrust of McCoy era, Matt,
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  and that is sparks going, pitting, pitting off people and
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  cars and Cybermen and everything and guns with like, physical
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  flashes. They do like a bit of physical
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  flashes. There's a there's gold dipped in
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  poison. Lady Penfold's calling card.
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  Lassie. I wish I had a cold calling card
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  that was like gold dipped in poison.
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  My lady, who is that little man? It is.
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  Here's my signature. Don't touch it.
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  Don't scratch yourself. That's what I said last time
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  your cock came out. Oh glorious evil it is.
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  He. Everything started sparking.
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  Oh, I could do amazing things, honestly.
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  I I I just love the little looks that Carl gives to to to Flores.
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  Like when he's like, go and fetch that bow and he's like,
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  for fuck's sake, am I getting paid for this?
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  You know what He's doing it though, don't you?
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  He's absolutely realised that Anton Different has phoned out
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  and he's just, you know, he's more of a statue than the bloody
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  statue, so he's like right, I've got to reject a bit of character
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  into these. The statue is made of living
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  metal and Anton Difference made of Deadwood, but.
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  Sophie, you were so fat. Oh, my lady.
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  There I would have killed to have been on the streets today.
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  This was filmed. Look, there's a lot of people at
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  a bus stop and she's walking, passing fucking Edwardian dress.
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  Just flouncing A flouncing dress.
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  Oh, I do love this location inside this sort of silo.
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  Whatever it is, it's great. This is, do you not think these
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  scenes are really Sharda as well?
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  So it's like when Scan Chris walking around Cambridge in
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  1979, her walking. I just think there's So there's
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  something really Season 17 about this story.
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  Oh, completely. And there's just something.
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  So Doctor Who about it, isn't it?
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  You've got monsters, you've got historical characters walking
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  around contemporary Earth, you've got bloody spaceships
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  going through the countryside. It's.
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  Just like you couldn't do this in any other series, it wouldn't
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  be right, the Nazis attempting, you know, a resurgence in their
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  reputation. With about six of them, yeah,
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  it's worse than the bloody Zygons.
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  Yeah, you can do a lot with six Nazis, All right.
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  Oh, I love this. Even by Omega and the Rascal.
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  Medium was created as the ultimate defence source on
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  Gallopry. Is this the first time that it's
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  confirmed that Omega and Rascal on the contemporaries?
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  Why is it remembrance it does talk about?
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  Didn't he just say that they had trouble with the original
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  though? Does he mention wrestle on the
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  Omega? Didn't we have trouble with the
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  original? He doesn't have one of those
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  lines. You know, 15 new adventures were
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  written around that line. That's very true and and she's
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  trying to tease out. I love that she's trying to
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  tease out like a bit of information there when it when
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  she goes, it was created by Omega and she goes and and
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  wrestle on and and she never left Galilee.
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  Do you know actually on that documentary, the making of
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  documentary that's on the video, you see them rehearsing that
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  scene and McCoy keeps fluffing it up and his line delivery is
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  terrible, but on location he's smooth ass.
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  Yeah, he I I think it's, it's a shame, like on Big Finish,
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  sometimes it's just like it becomes a bit obvious that it's
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  the first time he's ever read the line when he's performing
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  it, and sometimes it's line readings.
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  They're a bit strange as a result, but you don't really get
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  that on TV. He's always he's always
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  rehearsed and on point on TVI. Love this bit when they're just
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  wandering around as well. Oh, whistling.
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  Yeah, there's just such relaxed chemistry between them.
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  Do do you like the front axial projection that's used to make
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  the the bow in the statue I? Do except for the when when
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  they're in close quarters is our.
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  Decrypt and then you can just see the light for cheap.
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  But axial? So you're a big fan of front
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  axial projection or fat you? Want to ask?
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  Me that, I thought. I thought you you know the
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  answer. To that question, all right,
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  I'll have you know my front projection is about 15 metres,
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  all right. I hear there's a lot of fat,
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  fat, fat pink. We talked all over.
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  What are you, social workers? Oh no, look, they're tied upside
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  down, naked. We've both got.
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  Joe's just left, just left, left the room for some reason.
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  My hands are here, all right. He's just.
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  He's just appeared on the TV screen.
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  What do you think about that? So you know those very sort of.
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  It's it feels like an old middle class man writing thugs.
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  I I don't. I think it it's a strange choice
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  because you don't need, they don't add anything.
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  There's no point to those characters really.
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  It's not the fact funnier joke, but death is but a door.
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  But no. But I do love it when he goes,
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  Who did this to you? Social workers.
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  That's great. You know, like there's kind of
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  like a vague sense that it was just because JNT wanted some
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  skinheads tied up naked. I mean, I can think that's a
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  good motive for me, you know? Are we having fun?
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  Yeah. So.
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  That's it. The idea here of the side men
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  listening to jazz, which is something that is beautiful and
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  unpredictable and illogical, saying its meaning.
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  And then we take the Mickey out of the line.
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  But that's a good idea. Oh, and the best bit about the
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  novelisation is. There's a bit where the tape of
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  the jazz is kind of used, like Cybermen trying to crush that
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  tape is used as a bit of a metaphor for the way that they
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  try to crush creativity and emotion and feelings.
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  So it's probably, it's probably a Kevin Clark's biggest reach
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  for like some sort of literary credibility.
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  The Doctor's going to have a closer look.
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  So there are germs for ideas here, aren't there?
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  I thought, you're going to say there are germs in his mouth.
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  His germs are now they. Touch the skinheads.
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  They're covered in germs. There are when I'm finished
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  with. Them.
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  All right. Oh, just take your prep germ.
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  There are seeds of ideas here. I'm not sure any of.
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  Them are your seeds. Oh my God, I'll give up.
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  I know not. They will eat us.
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  I. Beg you, my lady.
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  Return without the nemesis. Never return as England's now is
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  full of terrors. Oh, they're all wonderful.
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  Together, I feel as if they should have had a sequel of a
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  pair of them. I I think they should.
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  I think Richard should have like seduced Lady Painful and they
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  could have rode off into the distance on the back of alarm.
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  It is thy grave, Richard. If the dogs would not eat thee,
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  I ordered you to put that. Here, see, there's thy stone.
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  Daves is my burial place. Yeah, a lot grander.
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  Isn't that the same sort of castle thing they use in
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  Battlefield? It looks exactly the same.
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  You know what? The explosions come out of it.
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  Yeah, yeah. I don't know.
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  Maybe I'll make an hour. Stay in your car while in the
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  safari park. It's like a lion's room.
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  The fear and a walk is like jabbing away Lion with their
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  arrow. What's very funny about this is
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  everyone just sort of. What?
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  There's no pace to it was just sort of wandering around the
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  countryside. Aren't they going well?
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  It's a nice pottery episode. We'll come across the statue.
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  At some point. At first, I'm in a poodle here.
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  Oh. I love this bit.
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  In a minute. Hello.
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  I'm the Doctor and I believe you want to kill me.
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  Oh, and the sidemen have had a Potter around as well.
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  Yeah, what I I do quite like the these sort of polished up.
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  Really silvery Cybermen. They're really leaning into the
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  silver theme, aren't they? And I like the fact that he
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  shoots them from below a lot. Yeah.
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  But I just think this is some of the worst right in the cyber
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  never had there. There's there's no real threat
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  here, is there? Is this the human condition of
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  madness, leader? It is Even they're getting
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  comedy lines. It is meaningless.
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  Oh, look, they they think. She's she's she's having a
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  quandary. But you know, an identity crisis
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  because she's just seen her tomb, don't they?
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  I. I think it looks more like it's
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  an instant lock in for The Crystal Maze and they look at
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  the. Oh.
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  Love the crystal Man. Traitors challenge.
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  He went, he went, oh gold and they went, oh started running
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  off and. Then, like Carl and the Flores
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  are just driving around, have you seen a woman dressed in 17th
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  century class? And he just goes.
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  He just goes. Shut up, doesn't he?
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  Oh yeah, so, so the the these tubby guys in the headphones are
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  Cybermen agents because they're they're inside.
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  I always thought one of them was John Levine I.
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  Don't know why it looks like you.
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  Can I? Ask you about I see, I see John
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  Levine, sort of. I see dead people.
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  Matt, can I ask you a question about the power of the Doctor?
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  You can try. Well, what did you think about?
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  The sequence between McCoy and Aldred where they're talking
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  about the explosives that she uses here.
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  I was just trying to teach you good habits, never without fair
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  warning. I don't know where you're you're
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  putting him in the Highlands, but he sounds like Jamie in the
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  Highlanders. Yeah, I've had your teeth.
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  Better than that. Yeah, race.
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  Hammer Dukes. You're right, Hen if we'd have
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  talked like that, I'd have loved.
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  It it's, yeah. It doesn't seem to bear any
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  relation to anything that we've ever seen on screen, but fair
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  enough. He does tell a rough a lot about
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  using the Nitro 9, except when he needs her to use the Nitro
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  Nine. I think that was the point.
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  That, that, that was that was fun.
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  I thought that was her best bit, actually, when she was talking
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  to the 13th Doctrine said, oh, they are don't use explosives
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  unless you tell me to. Yeah, right.
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  Nothing's changed, yeah. Certainly.
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  Oh God, you really could see the different acting styles though,
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  couldn't you? Between an 80s actor and a
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  Monday actor in that. I think this model shot
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  explosion is fab. Oh God, yes, brilliant.
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  And and you can you can tell it's a model, but it's it is
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  really well done, but you get. The smoke and the flames, the
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  CGI explosion, we're thinking that department store going up
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  in rows. I mean, it just looks shocking,
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  Didn't. It where they come.
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  Yeah, I I, the sidemen have just been running around.
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  Scared in this episode? Hardly the most brutal.
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  Force in the universe. They killed them just because I
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  blew up the ship. There are a lot more sparks
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  there. The guns are doing their sparky
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  thing again, aren't they? Well, what?
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  Do you think about her going well?
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  I'm really really. Scared, Doctor, because I reckon
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  she's faced worse than the sidemen.
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  It it it does, there's a bit in remembrance where they like
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  stop. In the middle of a chase and
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  they stopped by the TARDIS and she goes, oh, we could just nip
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  in here and go or something like that, doesn't she?
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  There's like a slightly weird thing where occasionally she's
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  just like, oh, she's just bugger off on boarding now.
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  Sold this for Game of Soldiers. They make a whole cliffhanger
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  out of it and grey show in the Galaxy.
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  Are we going in or aren't we? You know.
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  You should be like, do you know what that one part next?
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  Week song's a phrase that one part Doctor Who story was
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  amazing. Yeah, yeah.
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  Shall we visit the leisure hive? No.
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  I also feel they'll try to do some sort of Nazi Cyberman
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  parallel, but don't think it's coming off.
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  We are the Superman. You are the giants.
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  Oh dear. Why should we form an alliance
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  with you? We had that leader once.
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  He put it like, yeah. Can you remember in mine camp
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  where Hitler writes about the Cyberman?
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  I can't. Ask you.
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  How did they? Yeah, 8/19/88 Silver giants from
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  the stars. He was a visionary.
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  And he'll come down in a very pedestrian directed way, very
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  pedestrian. You insult us.
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  See. Look, they're taking it
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  personally now. Accept, destroy the woman in her
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  sense. In the extended version there's
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  a. A bit where they'd like.
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  It's all a bit of a double bluff and they want to convert the
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  Flores and I think most of that is just sort of cut from the
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  isn't. He just wearing a pair of
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  headphones though. Yes, the.
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  Cheapest conversion he's. Listening to the Wimbledon
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  scores coming through, Matt, Matt has won the match.
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  We are invincible to your weapons.
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  I love it. In a minute it's David Banks.
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  Live reading of when he goes. Then where is the bow?
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  He's. A sarky cunt.
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  I'll tell you how this cyber leader.
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  The Cyber Leader's like the best 80s villain isn't.
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  It just like, Oh yeah, one of Yeah.
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  What was that, Ross? Oh yeah, yeah.
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  Actually, yes, you're right. And to be fair, I like the Amy
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  Master in the Rodney Best, 4 Villains Best, 4 Recurring
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  villains, one of the. Top Ten Villains.
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  Of the What about Seal and the Devil Sees of Arador talking to
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  Sophie Aldridge? I mean so.
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  Can you try and explain the back story to me then please?
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  So what? Why did he set the Nemesis off
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  into space? Oh, OK.
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  I I think so that it could keep coming back every 25 years and
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  bugger things up. I don't.
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  I I think he was trying to prevent it falling into the
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  wrong hands or something, wasn't he?
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  But. What?
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  And as a by product, it came down and wiped out Kennedy.
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  Yeah, and and like, of course, World War One and Two.
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  So that's a bit of an own goal, wasn't it?
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  I'm not sure. I'm not sure they thought
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  through that bit of the scripture.
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  It's like, so you just basically came the Doctor accidentally
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  caused like World War 2 and Hitler.
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  Yeah, let's skip over that bit. Everyone has an off day, you
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  know. Kevin Clark's Like God moves in
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  mysterious ways. I love it where she says they're
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  carved in absolute evil. Not for nothing did I design my
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  own tool. I often say that.
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  I bet you do. Death is but a door.
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  I always knew I cheated. No, he just bundles her out of
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  the room, didn't he? Yes, drags her off.
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  I like. I like the way she calls him.
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  Feeble like she's Margaret Thatcher.
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  Oh, that's right. So it feels like it's all coming
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  to our head now because we feel like the three elements are
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  together, because we think he's got the bow.
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  Yeah. Oh, and that the the statue
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  twitching under like cobwebs and stuff.
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  That's. Brilliant.
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  And when it comes out of all the explosions.
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  And the Oh yeah. Over.
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  It I think the statue is actually really sort of creepy.
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  And yeah, but it's just a bit odd, isn't it?
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  It's eerie in a way that you don't get many eerie Dr.
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  Monsters, but it's like that, that blank.
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  This sort of blank face there and the sort of dash of the
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  mouth. It's the same thing with like
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  the altar and things like that, isn't it?
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  Like simile of the face rather, yeah.
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  But but the like, the hair and stuff just make it even weird.
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  And when it's like lit up and then just sort of floating
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  around, it's just there's something actually reasonably,
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  effectively otherworldly about it.
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  It's quite. Cool.
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  And just that how they did it as well.
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  It's all lit up like that. I know it's.
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  Fat, fat, fat, fat, fat, fat. They're fapping, fapping all
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  night. Oh, I know, I know a little bit
• 23:31
  about that. You know, she's looking at,
• 23:36
  she's looking at that sort of bubble, hoping that the cyber
• 23:39
  war fleet will emerge. I don't think it says much about
• 23:43
  the peso that the pair of them are just sitting there looking
• 23:45
  bored. No looking at a lizard.
• 23:50
  They're shrouded. These little spaceships I.
• 23:54
  Thought that Salamander was telling us that he was back from
• 23:56
  enemy of the world. My God.
• 24:00
  Him as well, although this this war.
• 24:04
  Fleet has never been mentioned before.
• 24:09
  I know it's it's like, yeah, it's a bit.
• 24:12
  I'll tell you what it is right is that this is done with such
• 24:14
  energy and humour and fun, but it does feel like someone's just
• 24:18
  written the script as they've gone along.
• 24:19
  Well, that'd be fun. Let's do that.
• 24:20
  Or that'd be fun. Oh, I'll throw in a cyber
• 24:23
  awfully. That'll be great.
• 24:25
  But it kind of, it kind of has to be there for the next episode
• 24:30
  because they're doing the whole, the whole thing of like wiping
• 24:33
  out the dialects, wiping out the Cyber Men, kind of, yeah, I.
• 24:36
  Have seen that plot somewhere before, you know.
• 24:39
  It was just a few weeks earlier. Fortnight.
• 24:42
  Ago. See again, though, it does get
• 24:44
  that line reading. Brilliant, he goes.
• 24:45
  Saba warships, They were invisible.
• 24:50
  No, they're not. They're not invisible.
• 24:55
  They were there, that whole. Time you can see that.
• 25:03
  OK, well now look, I'm going to ask you another unfair question
• 25:06
  at the end of Episode 2. Yeah, I like doing this too.
• 25:08
  It's Bob would. OK, Can you please give me
• 25:14
  because I know this is an area you love.
• 25:18
  What are your top three Sylvester McCoy stories?
• 25:26
  My top three McCoy would be. Yeah, it's not like tedious my
• 25:35
  my favorite three probably slightly different than the best
• 25:38
  three, but I think the best three are clearly going to be
• 25:40
  Remembrance, Survival, and in the past I would have said The
• 25:49
  Curse of Fenerick, but I really wasn't massively impressed by
• 25:53
  the TV version of when I when I was watching it when I was doing
• 25:56
  the Watch 3. The Curse of Fenerick Special
• 25:59
  Edition is much better, so I would go.
• 26:01
  Remember and Survival. Probably greatest show of the
• 26:05
  three best, but my favorite is some announces.
• 26:09
  Yeah, that's a good answer. And just for the record, mine
• 26:12
  are and I'm not taking the piss, Time in the Ronnie, Greatest
• 26:17
  Show in the Galaxy and Ghost Light.
• 26:21
  I just so many good ones. I mean, it is it is genuinely 1
• 26:24
  where you're spoiled for choice. It's like you you don't
• 26:26
  necessarily get that with. I used to think there was one
• 26:30
  duffer a year. I used to think it was Dragon
• 26:31
  Fire, Silver Nemesis, and Battlefield.
• 26:34
  Well, Dylan Reece has recently convinced me that Dragon Fire is
• 26:39
  astonishing. You're doing a fantastic job
• 26:41
  with Silver Nemesis, And my other half turned me to
• 26:43
  Battlefield, so now I don't think there's a dub there.
• 26:46
  I I I love Battlefield. Yes, I think I remember watching
• 26:54
  it at the time, but then they did the like 1990. 2 Repeats and
• 26:58
  they'd like Time Meddler and the mine droplet.
• 27:01
  And it was the McCoy that they picked for those repeats.
• 27:04
  And I really, really enjoyed it on the rewatch.
• 27:07
  How about Matt? Looks like we get the deck
• 27:09
  chair. I love powerful.
• 27:12
  What's it? So you married or what?
• 27:13
  What do? You want.
• 27:17
  I'll cut it there. I'll cut it there.