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Dennis Maga: First Union General Secretary on what the ruling against Uber means for other contractors · Best of Business

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talks. They'd be
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  Speaker 2: Uber has lost its contractor's case again, this time in
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  Speaker 2: the Court of Appeal. Again, the courts have ruled that
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  Speaker 2: for Uber drivers are employees not contractors. It means they
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  Speaker 2: are entitled to holiday, pasick leave and the right to
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  Speaker 2: fight unfair dismissal. Uber has announced it's going to appeal
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  Speaker 2: even this all the way through to the Supreme Court.
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  Speaker 2: And Dennis maga is First Union General Secretary.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, Dennis oh good Affen and I had a total
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  Speaker 3: lessons out there.
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  Speaker 2: Does this apply only to these four guys? Or is
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  Speaker 2: going to set a precedent for every contractor in the country.
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  Speaker 3: I should actually have said a president for all the
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  Speaker 3: Uber drivers out there.
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  Speaker 2: All Uber drivers are all contractors.
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  Speaker 3: Contract that let's say right now, Uber drivers, But some
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  Speaker 3: contractors can actually use the legal alcobst to argue for
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  Speaker 3: their cases.
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  Speaker 2: Why only some? Why not all?
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  Speaker 3: It all depends on, for example, the ruling made by
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  Speaker 3: Quarter Appeals. For example, if ever they believe that an
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  Speaker 3: employer or our company is using actually to construct or
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  Speaker 3: arrangement as a window dressing. Then they have a good
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  Speaker 3: argument actually to argue for their case that they were
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  Speaker 3: misclassified and they are employees.
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  Speaker 2: So, for example, in my industry right here in radio,
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  Speaker 2: a whole bunch of us A contractors. We signed contractor contracts,
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  Speaker 2: but we basically operate the same as all the other employees.
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  Speaker 2: Can we now go and say we're employees as well?
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  Speaker 2: If it suits us?
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  Speaker 3: I think it will depend on the terms and conditions.
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  Speaker 3: If ever, you are a contractor and you have the
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  Speaker 3: ability to contract out your job to anywhere and anyone,
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  Speaker 3: then of course you can argue that you actually control
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  Speaker 3: your your business or your contract Unlike these Uber drivers
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  Speaker 3: for a long time they've been working in this platform
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  Speaker 3: arrangement that the terms and conditions were actually dictated by
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  Speaker 3: Uber and they cannot actually change their terms and conditions.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, what do you think if Uber was to lose
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  Speaker 2: this all the way to the Supreme Court and beyond,
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  Speaker 2: would they pull out of the country, would they increase
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  Speaker 2: their charges? What are you reckon is going to be
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  Speaker 2: the ramifications for consumers?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think we're looking at the record of Uber
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  Speaker 3: in different countries, and usually every time they lose their case,
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  Speaker 3: they always appeal, but this is going to be hard
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  Speaker 3: for them. They will become desperate if ever they continue
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  Speaker 3: to appeal this case, because the first thing that they
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  Speaker 3: had to do is actually to apply for leave in
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  Speaker 3: order to be granted to appeal that case. In this
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  Speaker 3: instance right now, the pressure now is actually in uber
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  Speaker 3: whether they will respect the employment legislation in the country
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  Speaker 3: or they will just simply ignore that.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Dennis, thank you very much, appreciate it. My
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  Speaker 2: this's Dinnis Mega First Union General secret Sare I reckon?
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