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The Microbiome – The Trillions Living Inside You · Talking Science

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Welcome to this deep dive into some and our mission
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today is to separate the actual mind -blowing
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science of this ecosystem from the grocery store
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marketing hype because this ecosystem is running
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your digestion your immune system and Maybe even
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your mood. Yeah, we are talking about the human
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microbiome This is the vast community of microscopic
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passengers that you carry with you every single
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second of the day And for a long time the scientific
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community sort of thought of these bacteria as
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just, I don't know, passive hitchhikers. Pretty
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much. The assumption was that they were just
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along for the ride. You know, maybe feeding off
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the scraps. But the major revelation of the last
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two decades is that they were doing critical,
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essential work that literally keeps you alive.
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I definitely want to get into the actual mechanics
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of that work. But first, we have to talk about
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the sheer scale of this. We are talking about
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somewhere in the order of 30 to 40 trillion bacteria
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living on and inside you right now. Mostly in
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the gut, yeah. Mostly in the gut, right. But
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the sources highlight that these numbers actually
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went through a major scientific correction a
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few years ago. They did. If you look at articles
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published about the microbiome from, say, a decade
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ago, you will constantly see one specific statistic
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repeated everywhere. Oh, I know the one. Yeah,
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the claim that microbes outnumber human cells
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10 to 1. Yes, I remember hearing that exact phrase.
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It was in every magazine, every health documentary,
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10 to 1. It kind of makes you feel like you're
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just a meat vehicle for a bacterial army. Well,
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it certainly paints a picture. But that 10 to
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1 figure actually originated from a very rough
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back -of -the -envelope calculation done way
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back in the 1970s. Wait, really? The 1970s? Yeah.
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A researcher estimated the number of bacteria
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in a single gram of feces and then essentially
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multiplied that by the volume of the entire human
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digestive tract. Oh, wow. It assumed the whole
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digestive system was as densely packed as the
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colon, which it absolutely is not. But that rough
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guess just got repeated so often in academic
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papers and mainstream articles that hardened
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into a scientific fact. OK, let's unpack this
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for a second, because how does the entire global
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scientific community just accept a napkin math
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equation for 40 years? It happens more than you'd
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think. Scientific literature is vulnerable to
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the game of telephone, just like anything else.
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It feels like a massive census error that got
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repeated so often it just became local lore.
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Like everyone in town assumes someone else had
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actually counted the population, but no one actually
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had. That's a great way to put it. Yeah. It wasn't
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until around 2016 that a team of researchers
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in Israel actually sat down and rigorously redid
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the math. And what did they find? Well, they
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looked at the latest cell volume data and they
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realized that red blood cells account for the
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vast majority of human cells by number. When
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they properly balanced that against the actual
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density of bacteria throughout the body, the
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ratio turned out to be closer to one -to -one.
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So it's a tie. It's a tie, yeah. But, I mean,
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a one -to -one ratio is still staggering. You're
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telling me half the cells in my body belong to
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something else? Exactly. Keeping the real number
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straight is step one in taking this science seriously.
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The microbiome field is so genuinely exciting
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that it naturally attracts a lot of overstatement.
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You aren't made of 10 times more bacterial cells,
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but you are still carrying around tens of trillions
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of microbes. But here's where the source material
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gets truly wild, though. Because while the physical
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cell count might be a one -to -one tie, when
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we look at the genetics, the microbes absolutely
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dwarf us. Oh, without a doubt. It is an incredibly
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lopsided genetic imbalance. Walk us through that,
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because it sounds crazy. So the genetics explain
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how this whole system functions. If you isolate
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your own human genome, you have Roughly 20 ,000
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genes. 20 ,000. Got it. That is the complete
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instruction manual for building and running a
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human being. The collective genome of your gut
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microbes, however, if you pool all their genetic
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material together, contains something like 2
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to 20 million genes. 2 to 20 million. So it's
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like we're trying to build a massive skyscraper
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with a toy hammer. So we have to hire a giant
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contracting firm with a 2 million piece toolkit
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to actually do the heavy lifting. That is a perfect
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analogy. We are entirely outsourcing the heavy
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chemistry. That massive microbial toolkit allows
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these bacteria to perform complex chemical reactions
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that our human cells simply evolved without.
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Because we just don't have the code for it. Right.
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Our bodies literally lack the genetic code to
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build the enzymes required for certain jobs.
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And the most obvious example of this contracting
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firm at work is when we eat, right? Absolutely.
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Digestion is where they shine. So let's say I'm
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eating a huge bowl of broccoli. My human cells
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don't have the tools to fully break it down.
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What is that microbial toolkit actually doing
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to the food in my stomach? Well, first, we have
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to follow the broccoli down into the large intestine.
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Vegetables, whole grains, legumes, these are
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packed with dietary fiber. These are basically
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highly complex carbohydrates, right? Yes, exactly.
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And your human digestive enzymes are completely
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blind to them. If you didn't have a microbiome,
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all of that dense, healthy fiber would pass straight
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through your digestive tract completely unaltered.
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You'd get zero energy from it. It would just
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be roughage that sweeps the pipes. Exactly. But
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you do have a massive microbial workforce in
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your large intestine waiting for that delivery.
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They possess the millions of genetic tools required
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to dismantle those complex carbohydrates. They
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ferment the fiber. They do. During that fermentation
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process, they break the molecular bonds and produce
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new, smaller molecules called short -chain fatty
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acids. And the sources specifically focus on
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one of those fatty acids called butyrate. Why
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is butyrate so important? Butyrate is the primary
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fuel source for the cells lining your colon.
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Your human gut cells actually absorb this bacterial
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byproduct. and burn it for energy. Wait, so without
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that butyrate, those human cells would just starve?
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They would literally starve, yes. Furthermore,
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that energy allows your gut lining to stay tight
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and intact, preventing dangerous pathogens from
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leaking into your bloodstream. That is wild.
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So a huge chunk of the actual nutritional value
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and the physical maintenance of your organs is
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delivered by microbes doing the digesting on
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your behalf. We are quietly running an entire
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massive fermentation industry inside our bodies
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that we never even think about. We feed them
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the broccoli, they manufacture the fuel that
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keeps our own walls from collapsing. And they
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manufacture vitamins for you on that same factory
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floor. A significant portion of your vitamin
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K, which is essential for blood clotting, and
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several of your B vitamins are synthesized by
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your gut bacteria. Okay, but if this massive
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fermentation factory is operating right up against
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our internal tissue, how does the body know not
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to attack it? That is the million -dollar question.
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Right. I mean, anatomically, the gut is basically
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a giant border crossing. It's this massive surface
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area where everything we swallow meets our bloodstream,
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and it's harboring trillions of foreign bodies.
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The immune system's relationship with these microbes
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is arguably the most fascinating part of the
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whole ecosystem. Roughly 70 % of your body's
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entire immune tissue sits directly in and around
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your gut. 70%. Yeah. So the vast majority of
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our internal defense force is permanently stationed
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at the border. Because it is the most vulnerable
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surface area we have. From the moment you are
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born, your immune system and your gut microbes
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are locked in a constant complex dialogue. They're
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literally training each other. Training each
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other how, though? If an immune cell's job is
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to destroy foreign bacteria, why doesn't it just
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wipe out the microbiome entirely? Well, the immune
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cells constantly send out specialized scouts,
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called dendritic cells, to sample the environment
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in the gut. Now remember those byproducts we
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talked about, like butyrate? Right, the short
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-chain fatty acids. Exactly. The beneficial microbes
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release specific metabolites that act almost
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like biochemical ID badges. When the patrolling
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immune cells detect these harmless signals, it
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acts like a stand -down order. Oh, so they recognize
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them as friendly. Yes. The microbes teach the
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immune system to build a tolerance to stay calm.
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They calibrate the immune response so it doesn't
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launch a massive inflammatory attack against
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harmless food or helpful bacteria while still
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staying vigilant for true pathogens. And beyond
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that biochemical training, the sources mentioned
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that just having this thriving city of microbes
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is a physical defense in itself, right? It is.
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It's a numbers game called competitive exclusion.
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The beneficial microbes occupy every millimeter
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of physical real estate along the gut lining,
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and they greedily consume all the available nutrients.
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So if a dangerous newcomer... a pathogen manages
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to survive the stomach acid and arrive in the
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gut, it simply cannot gain a foothold. Exactly.
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There is no space and there is no food. Because
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there's simply no room left at the inn, which
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paints a very vivid and somewhat alarming picture
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of what happens when we take antibiotics. The
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sources heavily emphasize how disruptive they
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can be. Antibiotics are a blunt instrument. They
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kill bacteria indiscriminately. They cannot tell
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the difference between the pathogen causing your
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sinus infection and the beneficial bacteria keeping
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your gut lining intact. So taking a broad -spectrum
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antibiotic is basically like dropping a bomb
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on your garden to get rid of a single weed. That's
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exactly what it is. You clear the lawn, but you
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also destroy your prized tomatoes and the entire
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root structure holding the dirt together. You
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leave the soil completely barren and vulnerable
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to whatever blows in next. And opportunistic
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weeds can and do. move into that barren soil
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incredibly fast. Which makes me wonder how we
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ever established this garden in the first place.
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I mean, we aren't born with this massive toolkit
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already installed, are we? No, a baby in the
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womb is essentially sterile. The acquisition
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of this community happens rapidly. During a vaginal
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birth, a baby is coated in their mother's microbes,
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providing the first massive dose of colonizers.
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Oh, wow. And following that, early feeding drives
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the development. Breast milk, for example, contains
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complex sugars called human milk oligosaccharides.
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And let me guess, human babies can't actually
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digest those sugars either. You guessed it. The
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human infant cannot digest them at all. The mother
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is literally expending massive amounts of metabolic
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energy to produce sugars that the baby cannot
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use. That is unbelievable. But specific beneficial
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gut bacteria thrive on those exact sugars. Mother
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Nature evolved breast milk not just to feed the
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baby, but to feed the baby's newly forming microbiome.
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We are biologically engineered to cultivate the
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contracting firm from day one. We really are.
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And over the first few years of life, this community
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assembles and settles into a stable pattern that
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the sources say is incredibly personal. It's
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essentially a microbial fingerprint. It is. Your
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personal ecosystem is shaped by your early delivery,
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your childhood diet, the pets you grew up with,
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the geography of where you live, and your medical
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history. No two microbiomes on Earth are exactly
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alike. Okay, so we've established that the gut
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is basically a massive sensory organ. It's gathering
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all this chemical data from our food, and it's
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physically intertwined with our immune system.
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Right. How does it report all that data back
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to the brain? Which brings us to the most attention
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-grabbing frontier in this whole field, the gut
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-brain axis. Yes. And we need to tread very carefully
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here because the gut -brain connection is simultaneously
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a very real, scientifically validated phenomenon
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and the subject of wild commercial overhype.
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Let's start strictly with the biology then. How
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do they communicate? There is a massive physical
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superhighway connecting the two. It is called
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the vagus nerve, and it runs directly from your
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gut into the base of your brain, carrying electrical
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signals in both directions. Okay, so a direct
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wire. Yes. The gut is constantly updating the
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brain on the state of your digestion and your
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immune system. Furthermore, gut microbes actively
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stimulate the production of chemical messengers.
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For instance, a remarkably large share of your
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body's serotonin, upward of 90%, is actually
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manufactured in the gut. Wait, serotonin, the
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neurotransmitter we constantly associate with
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mood regulation and happiness? The very same.
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Specialized cells in the gut lining called enterochromaffin
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cells produce it, and they are heavily influenced
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by the chemical byproducts of your microbes.
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So our mood is controlled by our stomach. Well,
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most of that gut -derived serotonin is actually
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used locally to regulate bowel movements and
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digestion. But the microbes also heavily shape
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systemic inflammation. And we know definitively
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that chronic inflammation profoundly affects
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the brain, influencing everything from brain
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fog to depression. The sources mention animal
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studies that show this connection in action.
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What happens when you manipulate the microbes
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in a lab? Researchers use specially bred, germ
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-free mice, mice raised in sterile bubbles with
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absolutely zero microbiome. These mice exhibit
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dramatic behavioral differences. Like what? Their
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stress responses are exaggerated, they show altered
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social behaviors, and they exhibit different
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levels of anxiety compared to normal mice. And
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when researchers introduce certain bacterial
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strains into these sterile mice, some of those
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abnormal behaviors resolve. Okay, I need to stop
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you there and push back on behalf of the listener.
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Sure, go ahead. Because here is where it gets
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incredibly confusing. I walk into a grocery store
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or I open social media and I am bombarded with
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ads for probiotics, for mood or gut health supplements
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for anxiety. Are you telling me that these companies
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are basing their entire product line on sterile
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mice? I am saying that leaping from a controlled
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observation in a sterile mouse to the claim that
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eating a specific brand of encapsulated powder
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will cure human anxiety is a massive unsupported
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jump. Human brains, human social lives, and human
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diets are enormously complicated. So the marketing
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has totally outpaced the microscopes. By miles.
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The clinical studies in human beings are still
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in their infancy. They're often very small. And
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in media headlines, Correlation is doing almost
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all of the heavy lifting. Just because they are
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linked doesn't mean one causes the other. Exactly.
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Just because people with depression might have
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an altered microbiome doesn't automatically mean
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the microbiome caused the depression. Diet changes,
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sleep disruptions, and the medications used to
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treat depression all alter the gut flora. It's
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a chicken and egg problem. It really is. It may
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well turn out a decade from now that we can map
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specific bacterial strains to specific human
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psychological outcomes. But the current scientific
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consensus is that you cannot reliably treat a
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mental health condition by buying an over -the
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-counter probiotic supplement today. So if we
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strip away the marketing, what does this all
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actually mean for the listener? Since we can't
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just reliably buy a magical mood -boosting capsule
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in aisle four, how do we actually maintain this
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internal garden? What is the defensible, actionable
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science here? The most robust, scientifically
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validated advice is usually the least glamorous.
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You have to feed the ecosystem you already have.
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Okay, how? Beneficial microbes thrive on complex
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carbohydrates. That means eating a diverse, wide
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-ranging diet of plants and dietary fiber. Right,
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feed the contracting firm the raw materials they
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need to make the butyrate. Exactly. Provide the
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structural components they require to do the
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heavy lifting. Secondly, introducing fermented
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foods, things like sauerkraut, kimchi, kefir,
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traditional yogurt. Because those have live cultures.
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Yes, they actually carry live cultures of bacteria
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into your digestive tract. And large -scale studies
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are increasingly showing that regular consumption
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of fermented foods helps increase microbial diversity
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and lower overall inflammation. And on the defensive
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side, we circle back to the bomb in the garden,
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antibiotics. Yes. Do not take antibiotics for
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a viral cold. They do absolutely nothing to viruses,
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but they will decimate your microbiome. That
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makes sense. However, and I cannot stress this
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caveat enough. If a doctor diagnoses you with
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a serious bacterial infection, you take the prescribed
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antibiotics. An aggressive, untreated bacterial
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infection is far more dangerous to your life
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than a temporarily disrupted microbiome. Right.
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You can't let the entire garden get overrun by
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a dangerous predator just to save the topsoil.
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Exactly. But what happens when that soil is completely
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ruined? The sources dive into a scenario where
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the microbiome ecosystem completely collapses,
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and modern medicine is doing some truly astonishing
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things to rebuild it. We are looking at a genuine
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medical revolution when it comes to treating
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a specific, very nasty gut infection called Clostridioids
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difficile, commonly known as C. diff. And this
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usually strikes after someone has been hospitalized
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and put on heavy, prolonged courses of antibiotics,
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right? Yes. Think back to our competitive exclusion
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principle. The heavy antibiotics wipe out the
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normal, healthy microbes. The defensive wall...
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Oh, and the C. diff takes over. Right, because
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C. diff is incredibly resilient. It forms spores
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that survive the antibiotic bomb. When the coast
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is clear, it blooms, aggressively taking over
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the barren gut and producing toxins that destroy
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the colon lining. That sounds awful. It is stubborn,
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it recurs frequently, and it can be fatal. For
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decades, the standard medical response was just
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to try stronger, different antibiotics. Like
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dropping bigger bombs on an already ruined garden.
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Exactly. But the clinical shift came with a treatment
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called a fecal microbiota transplant, or FMT.
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Okay, my reaction to this is a mix of deep biological
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awe and intense squeamishness. But just so we
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are completely clear, a fecal transplant is exactly
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what it sounds like. It is. Doctors take a stool
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sample from a thoroughly screened, healthy donor.
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They process it, and then they physically transfer
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that liquid suspension of the donor's microbial
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community directly into the gut of the patient
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suffering from C. diff. From a medical engineering
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standpoint, that is a massive paradigm shift.
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Instead of isolating a single sterile chemical
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molecule in a pharmaceutical lab to fight a disease,
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doctors are literally transplanting an entire
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living ecosystem from one human to another. It's
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incredible. The success rates have been staggering,
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often curing recurrent infections in days. The
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transplanted ecosystem rapidly establishes itself.
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Because it just outcompetes the infection. Right.
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The trillions of new bacteria occupy the space,
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consume the resources, and physically outcompete
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the C. diff. It proves that sometimes the necessary
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medical intervention isn't a targeted chemical
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weapon. The treatment is a robust, diverse community.
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It changes the entire definition of what medicine
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can be. So as we wrap up this deep dive, we want
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you, the listener, to carry this core realization
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with you. You are a habitat. Trillions of organisms
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are living their entire lives inside you right
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now. It's a lot to take in. It is. They are digesting
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your food. They are constantly checking the ID
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badges of your immune system. And they are murmuring
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to your brain along the vagus nerve. And the
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biological reality of that relationship is one
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of the most complex, beautiful stories in modern
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science. It doesn't need the exaggeration of
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the supplement aisle. The real mechanisms keeping
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you alive are remarkable all on their own. Which
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leaves us with a provocative thought to end on.
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We talked about how your microbiome is completely
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unique to you, and we know it fundamentally dictates
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how you process chemical compounds. If our internal
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ecosystems are the gatekeepers that process everything
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we swallow, we might be approaching a future
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where doctors can't just prescribe a standard
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one -size -fits -all pill. I mean, if your specific
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microbes aggressively break down a medication
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before it even reaches your bloodstream. The
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future of health care might require doctors to
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prescribe a completely separate treatment just
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to temporarily prep your microbiome. That's a
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fascinating thought. Right. Essentially asking
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your internal ecosystem for permission before
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they can even attempt to heal your human cells.
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The X -ray might look clean and binary, but you
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are a complex living world. Thank you for taking
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this deep dive with us and we'll see you next
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time.