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What the Wildfire Smoke in Your Sky Has to Do With the Ocean · How To Protect The Ocean

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I know this episode is not directly
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related to the ocean,
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although there is a connection to the
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ocean, which I'm going to talk about.
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Today we're going to be talking about the
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wildfires that are happening not only in
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Northwestern Ontario and Canada,
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where I live and how I was affected last
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week, but also fires across North America
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because there were plenty.
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And there's some blame that was going
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around for the Canadian fires, but there
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was also American fires.
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We're going to talk all about that. What
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the cause was, how do we do? How do we go
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about protecting them?
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How to like what the policy needs to be,
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budgets need to be, how countries can
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work together and what we can do in the
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future and how this is going to affect
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climate change in the future.
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Today we're going to be talking about
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something that is what feels like largely
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out of control for us.
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You know, we don't really have a huge
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direct cause, but we are affected by it,
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whether it's directly or indirectly.
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Last week, as I got back from my trip
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from Costa Rica, which was a lot of fun
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with my family, got to meet, got to see
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my daughter, not meet my daughter, got to
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see my daughter who's doing a great 12
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English class down there and experiential
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learning, which is very,
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very privileged to do so.
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And she's loving it. She comes back next
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week, but she doesn't want to come back.
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But regardless, she's going to be coming
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back and I can't wait to see her.
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But, you know, we, we came back and we
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had some great weather, you know, got out
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of the humidity of Costa Rica, came back
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to Toronto, Burlington, where I live.
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And we had some great weather. It wasn't
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humid. It was like a nice little breeze
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come through about 25
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degrees Celsius was quite nice.
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A little bit of humane, but not much. And
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then a couple of days later, we got the
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humidity, got hit dead
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smack with the humidity.
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And I remember at 830 in the morning, I
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came in from walking my dogs and I was
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like, Hey, you know, it's,
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it's, it's beautiful outside.
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I was even telling my mom was on the
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phone with me in the morning and I'm
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like, Hey, this is wonderful.
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Like, this is actually quite nice to be
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able to enjoy this type of weather. And
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then I come out, I let the dogs out like
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maybe a half hour
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later and I look around.
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I'm like, looks and smells and tastes a
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little smoky outside like a campfire. I'm like, that's interesting.
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So I let the dogs come back in. I go out
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the front, I take a picture and I'm like,
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huh, it's kind of
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grayish, a little hazy outside.
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And then four hours later, you know, we
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realize that I was probably a little bit
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of wildfires are coming down.
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We get them every once in a while, once
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the wind shifts. And then four hours
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later, just I live west of Toronto.
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All of a sudden, the sky was orange. It
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felt like like apocalyptic. You know, I
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in my office where I sit, I have a
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skylight and I look up at the skylight.
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And I said, Holy cow. Like it is orange.
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I can see the sun. Everything else is
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orange. It's cloudy. It's hazy. Wow.
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This is really interesting to see and
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obviously not really good. I look at the
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air quality index, the
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AQI, and we are at Toronto.
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It has the worst AQI in the world at that
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moment. That's disgusting. I've never
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seen that before. I'm sure it's happened
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before, but I've never seen that before.
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And so we were told to stay indoors. If
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you go outdoors, if you need to go
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outdoors, sunglasses, mask, you know,
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like all that kind of stuff, particles in
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the air, all that kind of stuff.
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And it happened for a couple of days.
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Didn't stay orange all that time, but it
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would go up and down and the air quality
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index would go up and down.
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Luckily today, it's Sunday. It is as I'm
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recording this for tomorrow's episode,
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Monday, if you're listening to this on
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Monday, all of a sudden, I'm like, wow,
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this is interesting to see.
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There is, uh, it's beautiful outside. The
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humidity is gone. You can see everything
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blue skies, no orange tinge, no campfire
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smell, no campfire taste.
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And I'm like, wow, this is kind of great.
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We got some rain the day before all the
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smoke is gone. However, when I go look at
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our wildfire map in Canada, I look over
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and there are actively about 900 forest
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fires, wildfires in Canada.
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And if you look at the map, uh, which I
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can't show on the audio podcast,
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obviously, but if you look at the map,
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you can see that, you know, it's
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basically follows the boreal forest. The
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boreal forest goes across Canada from the
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east all the way to the northwest.
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And you can see that these wildfires
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follow that. And of course, just
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depending on the shift of the winds of
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whether we get the smoke or not, the
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smoke went from all the way from northern
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northwest Ontario for us. And it went all
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the way down into the US like past
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Toronto into the US into like the eastern seaboard.
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Um, people obviously weren't happy.
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People in Toronto weren't happy. Uh,
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people down in the States weren't happy.
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There were a few senators who said that
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there should be sanctions against Toronto
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or against Canada for not handling their
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wildfires very well, which we'll talk
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about both of those things in a bit about
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how Ontario manages their wildfires as
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well as how, um, you know, the US or one
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of the put sanction on us.
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The US President Donald Trump said that
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he wants to put tariffs on Canada or he
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will be putting tariffs on Canada because
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of these forest fires, whether any of
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that's going to come to fruition. I don't
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know. Um, but you know, regardless, it
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just left a bad taste in our mouth. No
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pun intended here in Canada.
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Uh, but we're going to be talking about a
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bunch of these things, but this is what
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happened over the last week, you know,
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and it not when it goes away, a lot of
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the people around here, like around
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Toronto and I'm sure south of the border
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are like, oh, thank God, it went away.
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Like we're out of it now. It's kind of,
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it's kind of good. Unfortunately, with
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all these, uh, with
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all these fires burning.
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This, this is all affecting the people
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where people live, you know, Northwest
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and Ontario is a populated area, not
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highly populated, like Southern Ontario,
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where you have millions and millions and
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millions of people, but there are people
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out there. Unfortunately, our most
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vulnerable first nations and small towns
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that are in there had to be evacuated.
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They had to be moved.
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Um, they lost their homes. They lost
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everything. Memories, all that kind of
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stuff. Like just culture because they, we
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don't know when they're going to be able
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to go back and unfortunately this is
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happening more often than not.
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We use this. This is a three years and
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this is a second year as has happened and
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it's just devastating and unfortunately,
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uh, this isn't going to go away. You
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know, we don't know when these are going
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to hit. We don't know how intense they're
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going to hit, but it's, it's, it's here.
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The thing is, is like when we look at how
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our boreal forest, like our boreal forest
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across Canada is like, it's one of the
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planet's biggest carbon sinks, right? So
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when it burns, uh, the, that stored
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carbon gas or goes into the stored carbon
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goes into the atmosphere and roughly a
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quarter of all human caused CO2 emissions
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gets absorbed by the ocean.
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Right? So, so there's a connection to the
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ocean here. And so more of that
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atmosphere carbon eventually means more
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ocean acidification. And of course that,
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that, that period was just taken up too
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much. They can't absorb anymore is coming
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even closer and closer.
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Now fire retardant and ash will run off
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into drain and drain into watersheds in
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Northwest Ontario waterways feed into the
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Great Lakes, which eventually connect to
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the Atlantic via the Gulf of St.
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Lawrence. So we eventually get into the
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ocean. And of course it can go into the
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Hudson's Bay. It can go into the Arctic.
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It can go into the West Coast when you
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have fires out the West.
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So it goes into the Pacific. So it goes
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into all of the oceans eventually, uh,
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you know, that, that surround Canada as
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well as the US and other places that are
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experiencing wildfires. Um, and then of
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course the smoke and heat domes are a
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land ocean atmosphere system story,
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right? That's what really, we're coming
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up with the same heat that, that of dome
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that's pushing smoke into the US is part
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of a broader ocean
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driven climate pattern.
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And, and the thing is too, is like,
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what's interesting is that there's an El
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Nino around, right? Scientists have
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reported El Nino, which makes things
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drier. So the cause of this is, is like,
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look, it's, it's not as humid, which it
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normally is humid. So you get more water
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in the air, which makes it a little bit
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harder to have fires. Uh, and then of
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course it has, you know, it has, so with
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less moisture, moisture makes it drier.
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So fire is easy to spread. There might be
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increased winds, which is
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easy to spread with the wildfire.
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Now, most of, of the, um, of the fires
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were caused by lightning, right? And so,
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um, you know, as these, as lightning
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strikes and then you get drier
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conditions, you get fires, the wind blows
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and you get, you know,
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these, these massive wildfires.
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When I look at the map, there are a lot
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of wildfires that are out of control.
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Some are being monitored, some aren't
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being monitored, but the most of the map
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is, is peppered with wildfires that are
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out of control in Canada. Right? That's
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not good. There are some in the States as
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well. There are some in Colorado, there's
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some out west. Um, and the ones in
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Colorado, the, actually the, the, the,
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the smoke from the one in Colorado, the
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ones in Colorado are actually coming up
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into Canada, into southern Manitoba and southern Saskatchewan province.
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In Canada and affecting in Canada. So
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here's, here's the thing about this whole
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wildfire and smoke going across borders.
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Smoke doesn't see borders. Wildfires
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don't see borders. They see heat. They
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see dryness. And when you get a lightning
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strike, you get this massive expansion of
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fires. You get the fire started and then
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you get wind and you get this, these dry conditions.
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Just allow these wildfires to spread.
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Right? And, and to cause the damage that
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we're causing right now. Being in an El
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Nino year, it makes it worse. Being in a
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super El Nino, uh, you know, sort of
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time. It is makes it even, even worse.
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And that is something that, um, is not a
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good formula for what we're doing here.
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You know, for what we're trying to live
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in and live across. So I think that's, uh, a good way to do it.
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I think that's unfortunate. And I think
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that's, that's really, it's, it's really
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hard. There were over 900 forest fires,
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wildfires in Canada as
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of Friday, July 16th.
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That's devastating. That's, that's sorry.
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16th. That's really devastating. That is
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something, you know, nobody wants to see.
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Uh, and, and it's going to get worse.
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We're going to see, we're going to see
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more of these, these wildfires climate
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change, increased weather, like increased
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intensity of weather systems changing in,
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in weather patterns and climate patterns.
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We're going to see all this with climate
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change. It just exacerbates everything
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that we are looking at. And
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unfortunately, there are many families
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that have been affected by these
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wildfires up north as well as down south
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where these, where these winds are blown.
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And, but when the wind stopped blowing in
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the, in the direction where people are
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starting to notice, especially over like,
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uh, Queen's park, which is true. The
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capital, like in Toronto is the capital
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of Ontario where decisions are made
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policy decisions are made.
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You know, if those are gone, they're out
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of sight, out of mind. So people stop
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worrying. They're just happy that they
11:49
can actually do some, some work. Um, so I
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think that's, that's
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a big, a big problem.
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Now there are some conspiracies that
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arson starts a lot of this. And I wanted,
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I want to just kind of tell people that a
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quarter or less than a quarter. So a 4%
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of cases in wildfires are arson related,
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meaning that they're done on purpose.
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There are some that are started because
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people are maybe some careless or
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careless or they start a fire when they
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shouldn't be starting a fire. And then
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the fire continues. Most of the fires, a
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majority of the fires are started by
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lightning strikes in Ontario.
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And so, you know, I think that's, that's
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a really big problem. In the bigger
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picture, when we look at it, scientists
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are attributing the underlying dry, hot
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conditions fueling these fires to human
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caused climate change. Right. So that's
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what we're looking at.
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Now the, when we're looking at the
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consequences of this, the consequences
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are really a lot of the
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times we're looking at.
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And so the consequences of this is that more than 1600 first nation residents
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have already been displaced by wildfires
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this season and the season is far from
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over. And so it's unfortunately, these
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are the places that are most vulnerable
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in 2025 alone 44,000 over 44,000 people
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from 61 on reserve first nations were
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displaced by wildfire giving useful year
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over year context. Right.
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And so if you think about what you keep
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in your home, let's, let's bring it down
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to a personal level. Like if my home ever
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got burnt down, knock on what I hope that
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never, never happens.
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Pictures, memories, keepsakes that we
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have in our homes are gone, you know, and
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of course the home's gone. Right. And if
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it takes out an entire neighborhood,
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takes out an entire area town, entire
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town, that's devastating to the town.
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And so it loses the culture, loses the
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ability to rebuild in those areas, right?
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There's a lot of, you know, once you lose
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your homes, there's a lot of cleanup,
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there's long displacement timelines. The
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rebuild costs are expensive.
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Ensure having to deal with insurance and
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things like that. It's really bad. And of
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course, when you have wildfires, you have
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forest loss, you have reduced carbon sink
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capacity because we lost those forests.
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And then of course, it also meaning less
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CO2 absorption. And when forests burn,
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they put it, they give methane back into
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the atmosphere, which is even worse to
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the greenhouse gas effect.
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So that's always bad. And of course, the
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El Nino intensity through fall and winter
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raises the odds of continued heat and
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dryness, feeding future fire risk and a
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feedback loop worth naming explicitly.
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And a fear we're going to take that out
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and a feedback loop that is really not a
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good thing that happens.
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Now let's talk about the politics. Let's
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talk initially about the international
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politics because that's making big news
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right now. We had Donald, President
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Donald Trump and a couple of senators
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saying that Donald Trump said we're going
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to put, he's going to put tariffs,
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increased tariffs on Canada for not
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handling their wildfire, I guess,
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readiness and preparedness or ability to
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control those wildfires.
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So he's going to put tariffs on them
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because they're affecting the US air
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quality. And then there are some senators
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in the US that's federal senators in the
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US that said, hey, let's put sanctions on
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Canada for not being able to
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control their forest fires.
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Of course, it's a ridiculous statement,
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in my opinion, even from a scientific
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opinion, it doesn't make sense. On the
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one hand, climate change is real. I know
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a lot of people in the US don't think
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about it in the government,
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but climate change is real.
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We're seeing these these cases where
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these wildfires are popping up left,
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right and center from lightning strikes
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from whatever the cause and they're
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getting out of hand and they're really
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difficult to control.
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So it's not as if they're not trying to
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put together stuff. We have lots of
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equipment. We have a lot of equipment
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that we lend the US when they need help,
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which leads me to my second point.
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Canada and US are allies. I know a lot of
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times in the news and some politicians
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are making it look like we are not
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allies. We are allies. And when the US
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has problems with wildfires or any kind
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of problems, we send our best equipment
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and our best people over there.
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In fact, unfortunately in Colorado, there
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was a Canadian firefighter who passed
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away trying to fight the fires in
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Colorado because Canada sent them there
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to help them out, right to help the US
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out. So the fact that and of course, I've
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mentioned earlier that the fires in
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Colorado, the smoke actually goes up to
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Canada because of the wind.
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And so we're all feeling the effects
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here. The big thing is is like when when
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these disasters come across, the big
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thing that we need to do is really stick
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together and help each other out. It's
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not a matter of who's to blame and what
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we need to do. We need
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to help each other out.
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You know, lend equipment, lend people and
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resources if we can, and then not vice
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versa. We help each other out because
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it's to be honest, we all benefit from
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helping each other out. Plus, it's a good
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thing to do with our allies and our
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neighbors. And that's what we
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that's what we do as Canadians.
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And I hope the US I know the US has done
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in the past. I hope they continue to do
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that in the future because we need to
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help each other out. It's just in Mexico
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as well in the Caribbean. We need to help
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each other out. We need to lend each
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other our resources and our people.
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That's what we do. We've always done that
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and we'll always continue to do that.
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Now, what's interesting from an Ontario
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perspective from what I've looked into is
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that the Ontario government spent 271
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million on emergency firefighting in 2025
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and 2026. But the budget but only
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budgeted 150 million for 2026 and 2027.
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So they actually reduced the baseline
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budget by quite a bit.
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And in 2024, Ontario budget 135 million
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but spent 171 million and 2025 the budget
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stayed the same while actually spending
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271 million. So there's obviously they're
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always going to spend more and the base
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budget is there to make sure that the
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people who are fighting fires and the
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firefighters as well as the forest
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managers have the means to prepare
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proactively prepare to
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manage these forest fires.
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So if they're not if they're just not
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there, they can't get specific equipment.
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They can't get specific resources. So
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when wildfires do come up, that money has
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to be given extra money has to be given
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lickily spit because the people aren't
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prepared. The divisions that need to go
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out and fight these fires and control
18:27
these fires and help with the managing of
18:30
the forest at that time in a reactionary
18:33
mode, then there's increase in budget.
18:36
And Doug Ford, who's the premier of
18:38
Ontario for those in the US, it's like
18:40
our governor for Ontario. They, you know,
18:43
he said, he said, look, he's like, we
18:45
always he goes, I always support our
18:47
firefighters. He kind
18:48
of took insult to it.
18:49
And he said, look, the base budget was
18:51
this, but we spent 271 million in 2025
18:53
and 2026 to fight these fires. But again,
18:57
it's version, it's reactionary versus
18:59
proactiveness, right? It's better to be
19:01
proactive and prepare for the worst
19:03
because we're seeing
19:04
the worst than it is.
19:05
To just give money. Obviously, you're
19:08
going to give emergency funding when it
19:09
needed, but to make sure that these the
19:12
people that need to fight these fires and
19:13
can help control these fires have the
19:15
equipment and the people and whatever
19:17
else they need to help get out there as
19:19
quickly as possible and even prevent like
19:21
manage these a lot better. So yes, from
19:25
the US saying we need to enter.
19:26
And we have to make sure that we don't
19:37
have to spend too much money on this all
19:39
every year because we may not need it
19:41
every year, but I'd rather be prepared
19:43
and spent overspend
19:44
than not prepared at all.
19:47
So yes, I think it's a weird situation to
19:49
be in, especially when you have neighbors
19:50
who are trying to put sanctions and or
19:53
tariffs on it. Now, will those go
19:54
through? Probably not. I feel like it's
19:57
just the US trying to help protect the US
20:01
citizens. But
20:02
unfortunately, that's just the way it is.
20:05
I'd love for us to control these fires
20:07
better, but with climate change, low
20:09
budgeting for preparedness, it doesn't
20:11
really make sense in a lot of ways. And I
20:13
have a feeling that the US is in the very
20:16
similar situation. So that's a really
20:19
difficult thing to do.
20:20
Now, I don't want to just kind of come
20:22
here and be like, hey, you know what,
20:23
like we need this is it. There's nothing
20:25
you can really do. There is some stuff
20:27
that you can do. So I want to talk a
20:31
little bit about that. Right.
20:33
So the first thing is, is your personal
20:34
safety. Look and check your air quality.
20:38
Right. So Environment Canada or air now,
20:41
if you are spending extended time
20:42
outdoors, especially with kids or older
20:44
adults or with pets, things like that, or
20:47
anyone with asthma or heart conditions,
20:48
make sure you check the air quality, make
20:50
sure it's safe for people to go out.
20:52
There's always indexes, whether it's on a
20:53
phone app or whether it's on the AQI
20:55
website, you can go in and you can check
20:58
that out and look at that.
21:00
And if you're in or near a fire zone, you
21:02
know, I want you to, I want you to look
21:04
and make sure you understand and follow
21:06
the evacuation orders immediately rather
21:09
than waiting. Like several evacuees this
21:11
season had to self evacuate because of
21:13
this last minute. Some of these evacuees
21:16
had to be airlifted out. Some went by
21:18
boat, depending on where they live. So
21:20
these, these fires, they travel quickly.
21:23
So making sure that you have a 72 hour go
21:26
bag ready when they
21:27
tell you to have it ready.
21:54
That's always a good precaution. And then
21:56
when they tell you to get out, you get
21:58
out as soon as possible.
21:59
And then of course, like when it comes to
22:05
government, you want to push for real
22:06
accountability on wildlife budgets or
22:09
wildfire budget. Sorry. Contact your
22:11
provincial MPP if you're in Canada or
22:13
your government representative, if you're
22:15
somewhere else, if
22:16
underfunding frustrates you.
22:18
And this is a policy choice, of course,
22:19
it's not just like an act of nature
22:20
alone. So this is something that, you
22:22
know, we can have policymakers step up to
22:25
do. And I think that's really good.
22:26
And of course, you know, looking at
22:28
climate change in general, reducing your
22:29
own carbon footprint is still one of the
22:31
few levers individuals have like the
22:33
control of on the underlying warming
22:37
trends of driving both worse, like it
22:39
drives both worse fire
22:40
seasons and ocean acidification.
22:41
So if you're looking to protect the
22:43
ocean, you're also looking to protect
22:45
people, reducing your footprint for
22:47
climate change and making sure that you
22:50
are pushing your elective members of
22:53
government to do the same thing. I think
22:55
that's, that's really important.
22:57
But that's it for today's episode. I want
22:59
to go over that. I know it's not directly
23:01
related to the wildfire or to the ocean,
23:04
but it is affecting oceans at some point
23:07
in time. So I felt like it was important.
23:09
It was in the news. It was big news. And I think that's important.
23:10
It was big news. And I feel like it needs
23:12
to be addressed. Look, the big message is
23:14
we are all in this together to fight each
23:17
other on who gets sanctioned or who needs
23:19
terrorists because
23:20
they can't manage things.
23:21
We should be working together and finding
23:23
out how to better manage our force.
23:24
There's no doubt about that. But on both
23:26
sides of the border, any side of the
23:28
border, it's something that we're going
23:29
to have to do. It's something that is
23:31
changing all the time, especially when
23:33
we're in El Nino situations
23:35
or we're in climate change.
23:37
And obviously we're in both. So that's
23:39
something that's in this apparently it's
23:41
could be like a super El Nino and some of
23:43
the worst ever. So it's going to happen
23:45
again next year. If we continue with
23:46
these dry conditions and we're going to
23:48
need to be prepared, better prepared this
23:50
year than we were or next year than we
23:52
were last year. And of course the year
23:54
before. So that's what I have to say. I
23:57
would love to hear if you have any
23:58
questions or comments. Let me
24:00
know in the in the show notes.
24:04
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24:06
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24:19
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24:21
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24:23
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24:24
Lewin. Have a great day. We'll talk to
24:26
you next time and happy conservation.