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IN LIMBO: Angels MGR Kurt Suzuki gets vote of confidence from an interim GM who won't have final say · Halo Territory: A Los Angeles Angels Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Say goodnight to the Angels. Well, Mark, the 2026 season
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: came to a merciful end on Sunday in Seattle with
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: the Angels losing 100 games for the first time in
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: franchise history. Triple figures, man. Great for an RBI season.
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure about team losses.
• 0:29
  Speaker 2: 100 wins for a Los Angeles team.
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: That's correct.
• 0:35
  Speaker 2: The Dodgers.
• 0:36
  Speaker 3: Wait.
• 0:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Dodgers were able to do it against the Giants.
• 0:40
  Speaker 2: Credit to Tony V for getting thrown out in the
• 0:43
  Speaker 2: last game of the season. I believe with the retiring
• 0:48
  Speaker 2: umpires last game too, Marvin Hudson. So that's not Angel news,
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: but I did find that always fighting till the end.
• 0:55
  Speaker 2: And I think that was partly why interim GM John
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: Moselak today had some comments about I guess the Angels,
• 1:05
  Speaker 2: in his opinion, always fighting for their manager and playing
• 1:08
  Speaker 2: hard and one of the things he really liked.
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in the wake of their 11th straight losing season
• 1:15
  Speaker 1: and 12th without a playoff spot, Mo met with the
• 1:18
  Speaker 1: media on Monday morning. Neither Mark nor I could be there.
• 1:22
  Speaker 1: I had commitments, but we did listen to an audio
• 1:25
  Speaker 1: of the press conference and we had three big takeaways.
• 1:29
  Speaker 1: The first one and the biggest, well, we'll just let
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: Sam Blum's tweet tell you about it. John Mozealek said
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: he wants to retain Kurt Suzuki back as Angels manager. However,
• 1:42
  Speaker 1: he said it's not his decision. It's up to the
• 1:45
  Speaker 1: next ownership group. Mozealek said he's been coordinating with Kevin
• 1:49
  Speaker 1: Demoff at Kroenke Sports Entertainment. And Kevin, of course, is
• 1:55
  Speaker 1: the president of the Los Angeles Rams. Mo added that
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: he's scheduled to speak with Demoff later on Monday. And
• 2:05
  Speaker 1: that Suzuki's future, that Mo's own future, and the short-term
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: and long-term baseball operations plans will be discussed further. So
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: we've made it pretty clear on HT how we feel
• 2:20
  Speaker 1: about Kurt Suzuki. And we want to reiterate, it's nothing personal.
• 2:24
  Speaker 1: I just feel like he did not do enough this
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: year to warrant returning after his one-year contract expires. But
• 2:33
  Speaker 1: Mo feels differently.
• 2:35
  Speaker 2: What do you think, Mark?
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't say we were surprised by this,
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: but it still seemed a little odd to hear today.
• 2:43
  Speaker 2: I wasn't too surprised. I found this on the web.
• 2:46
  Speaker 2: Sounds surprising. Let me know what you found on the web.
• 2:52
  Speaker 2: I think that these are things that are kind of
• 2:57
  Speaker 2: leading up to this for the last month and change,
• 3:00
  Speaker 2: really ever since Mike Maddox was dismissed. A lot of
• 3:04
  Speaker 2: praise for Kurt Suzuki. A lot of statements that indicated
• 3:08
  Speaker 2: he liked the job that he was doing. He liked
• 3:11
  Speaker 2: the leadership skills. He liked that he was able to
• 3:13
  Speaker 2: keep the clubhouse together, that nobody quit on him. That's
• 3:16
  Speaker 2: subjective and probably up for debate. I don't know if
• 3:21
  Speaker 2: I would exactly say, and the biggest gripe by far
• 3:24
  Speaker 2: all year was the lack of hustle. And that is
• 3:28
  Speaker 2: something that I will never get off of, even if
• 3:30
  Speaker 2: I'm long gone off this show. Uh, it just is
• 3:34
  Speaker 2: in professional sports. You hustle, you, you give your best effort.
• 3:37
  Speaker 2: And I think, uh, John Mosaic also agrees with that.
• 3:40
  Speaker 2: Hence why he had a meeting with the shortstop a
• 3:43
  Speaker 2: while back to discuss this. I think that partly what
• 3:46
  Speaker 2: I heard when I listened to the transcript of the
• 3:48
  Speaker 2: audio today, uh, it wasn't so overt, but a lot
• 3:52
  Speaker 2: of the blame, uh, needs to be put. And I
• 3:55
  Speaker 2: would put it also there on previous general manager, Barry Manassian, uh,
• 4:01
  Speaker 2: for poor leadership, a very bad job with infrastructure. It
• 4:06
  Speaker 2: seems like there were very qualified front office people that
• 4:09
  Speaker 2: were not allowed to do their job to the best
• 4:12
  Speaker 2: of their ability, hindered the ball club. The draft strategy
• 4:17
  Speaker 2: was addressed to a long-term plan, not the draft and rush.
• 4:22
  Speaker 2: And as far as managing the bullpen, I think we'll
• 4:25
  Speaker 2: get into that too. That was one of the things
• 4:27
  Speaker 2: that was not a strength, but How much of that
• 4:29
  Speaker 2: was Kurt's fault, and how much of that was the
• 4:31
  Speaker 2: roster construction, do you think?
• 4:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was an interesting thing to me, one of
• 4:37
  Speaker 1: Mo's most interesting comments. The Angels lost 22 games this
• 4:41
  Speaker 1: year when tied or leading after eight innings. But when
• 4:46
  Speaker 1: Sam Blum of The Athletic asked Kurt, asked Mo, specifically
• 4:50
  Speaker 1: if Kurt should be blamed for a bulk of those losses,
• 4:53
  Speaker 1: Mo Zalock said, quote, who should he have pitched in
• 4:56
  Speaker 1: those moments? We traded some bullpen pieces, and I don't
• 5:00
  Speaker 1: think he had the tools to successfully navigate a lot
• 5:04
  Speaker 1: of those games. I don't think he was making poor decisions.
• 5:08
  Speaker 1: He didn't have people available on given nights, and he
• 5:11
  Speaker 1: understood the hand he was dealt. I mean, certainly in
• 5:15
  Speaker 1: these last few weeks when they did lose some bullpen pieces,
• 5:19
  Speaker 1: whether it was Silseth via trade and Kirby Yates, my
• 5:25
  Speaker 1: favorite guy on the team, And then there were some
• 5:27
  Speaker 1: injuries to Sam Bachman. Even though Ben Joyce came back,
• 5:33
  Speaker 1: I don't think any of us, I don't think either
• 5:35
  Speaker 1: of us really thought he was 100% or totally right.
• 5:38
  Speaker 1: That bullpen was severely handcuffed over the last two months.
• 5:42
  Speaker 1: So yeah, maybe he wasn't given the pieces, but there
• 5:46
  Speaker 1: were a lot of games early in the season where
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: I questioned a lot of his late game bullpen moves.
• 5:52
  Speaker 1: Once again, how many of those moves were made by
• 5:55
  Speaker 1: Mike Maddox, the former pitching coach who was fired in
• 5:57
  Speaker 1: early August. Kurt always said he had the last, you know,
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: the last decision, or he made the final decision on these.
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  Speaker 1: But we've speculated on this show that Mike Maddox might
• 6:09
  Speaker 1: have had a much bigger hand. Are you buying what
• 6:12
  Speaker 1: Mo said about specifically the bullpen management and how Kurt
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: didn't deserve a lot of the blame?
• 6:21
  Speaker 2: I think I am. I think that The key part
• 6:26
  Speaker 2: of that phrase was the hand that he was dealt,
• 6:29
  Speaker 2: paraphrasing possibly. But I think Fletch is the big poker player.
• 6:33
  Speaker 2: But are we saying this is a Devin Deuce offsuit?
• 6:39
  Speaker 2: I think that's what I'm kind of hearing. A team
• 6:42
  Speaker 2: that really lacked depth up and down, especially going into
• 6:48
  Speaker 2: the we didn't. I mean, we were speculating as to
• 6:50
  Speaker 2: who the closer was going to be. in spring training
• 6:53
  Speaker 2: where the games were not televised. And that's all we
• 6:57
  Speaker 2: could do was speculate. And I think I had thrown
• 6:58
  Speaker 2: out Kirby Yates and ended up being Romano, who I
• 7:02
  Speaker 2: thought actually looked pretty good. In hindsight, yeah.
• 7:07
  Speaker 1: In hindsight, he looks really good.
• 7:09
  Speaker 2: Small sample, and then he was kicked to the curb.
• 7:12
  Speaker 2: And we don't know why. I don't know why. Nobody does.
• 7:16
  Speaker 2: But Perry, the guy that did it. So, Kurt didn't
• 7:20
  Speaker 2: have the weapons. I mean, this comes down to a
• 7:23
  Speaker 2: lack of talent. And that's really, you know, it's going
• 7:27
  Speaker 2: to sound somewhat harsh or very harsh, but why does
• 7:30
  Speaker 2: a team struggle? And I think that inexperience is part
• 7:33
  Speaker 2: of it with this team. But you can argue, and
• 7:37
  Speaker 2: I think he did, that on the pitching side, that
• 7:39
  Speaker 2: you almost have to build in some regression looking towards
• 7:43
  Speaker 2: the future, which to me means that these teams especially
• 7:46
  Speaker 2: the starters performed in that sample the last couple of
• 7:50
  Speaker 2: months better than you can reasonably expect. Absolutely on fire.
• 7:54
  Speaker 2: And I think it's unfair to the players too. Urania,
• 7:58
  Speaker 2: for example, if you expect him to put up those
• 8:01
  Speaker 2: numbers every year, which he might, he's got incredible stuff,
• 8:05
  Speaker 2: but that, that creates a lot of you know, I
• 8:09
  Speaker 2: got to throw sub three ERA you know, innings. for
• 8:14
  Speaker 2: the entirety of a season. And I hope he does. Um,
• 8:17
  Speaker 2: Reed Detmers had a fantastic year. He could even get
• 8:19
  Speaker 2: better in some categories. Ryan Johnson. Uh, is it for real?
• 8:23
  Speaker 2: I I'd like to think it is. It's an odd
• 8:26
  Speaker 2: kind of mix. It's it's the, well, everything's odd about
• 8:29
  Speaker 2: watching him, but, um, you know, he, he did a
• 8:32
  Speaker 2: much better job. It looked very good. They got some
• 8:34
  Speaker 2: young arms too that are on the way, but I
• 8:37
  Speaker 2: also think that this team is going to have more
• 8:40
  Speaker 2: losing seasons, uh, to come. And I think that, The
• 8:44
  Speaker 2: main thing behind that is the poor defense and the
• 8:47
  Speaker 2: lack of offense, lack of pop in the offense. Just
• 8:51
  Speaker 2: not enough power from the positions that you rely on
• 8:54
  Speaker 2: for power. What do you think?
• 8:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, offense is a huge question mark and hole. There's
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: so many holes in that lineup going in the offseason.
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: I think Mo was asked today about how many offense
• 9:10
  Speaker 1: and bullpen, two main problem areas. That's pretty clear. He
• 9:15
  Speaker 1: was asked, well, how quickly can we expect to see
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: some major improvements in these areas?
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 9:24
  Speaker 1: Offensively, I'm not seeing a ton. We've talked about this
• 9:27
  Speaker 1: on the show before. Neither of us have seen much
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: in the free agent market. Offensively, that's going to turn
• 9:33
  Speaker 1: your lineup around. To me, the only area where you
• 9:36
  Speaker 1: can make some significant headway is in the bullpen, but
• 9:39
  Speaker 1: you're going to probably have to overpay for, you know,
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: Early 30s relievers who are, you know, coming off good years,
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: but we know how unpredictable the reliever market is. Just
• 9:52
  Speaker 1: look at so many of these angels signings in recent years.
• 9:57
  Speaker 2: You mentioned overpay, but these guys are going to have choices, too.
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: if they are. And how are you going to convince
• 10:04
  Speaker 2: quality players that are maybe prime a little past, but
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: still very capable of putting up numbers to come to
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: a place that are they going to be able to
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: compete immediately? And should they try and compete immediately in trade?
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: the farm system, which Mo is adamant today that that
• 10:22
  Speaker 2: is not a sound strategy. He doesn't want to have
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: another barren farm system ranked last or near the last.
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: I think that he's quite happy with their progression there,
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: and he should be because having a lousy major league
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: club and a lousy farm system is a bad recipe.
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, plus I think it depends where you get certain
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: guys in their careers. Like there may be a reliever
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: or two guys who have– had great careers and they
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: have not made the playoffs or they haven't won. And
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go to a team I know I
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: can make the playoffs with. So that's the guy you
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: have to overpay for a lot to get on a
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: team like the angels. So each, you know, a lot
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: of individual cases, but you know, just the bullpens relievers
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: being so much more available and, so much of a
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: variety of guys, lefties. There's some pretty good lefties on
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: the market. There's some guys who have clothes that are
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: going to be on the market. There's some decent arms
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: that are going to be available. To me, you have
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: to get at least two to three of those guys
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: somehow into your bullpen. I'm not going to say they're
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: going to lose 100 games again next year, but, yeah,
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: it's going to be really tough to have a winning season. Hey,
• 11:34
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  Speaker 1: And welcome back to Halo Territory with Mark Trumbo, the
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• 13:25
  Speaker 1: we did want to mention some of the fan reaction
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: to the news that Mo wants Kurt back. Here's some
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: of that on my Twitter from Kevin McIntyre. Would be
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: a horrific mistake. From 13 Shades of Grey, this only
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: solidifies my wish for a new GM and a new manager.
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: Fully flush and start from square zero. I didn't know
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: there was a square zero. And from TKD, dude, what?
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  Speaker 1: So I think that sort of gives you a pretty
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: good feel, sample size, small sample size, granted, but of
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: how the fans feel about Kurt Suzuki. And I want
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: to reiterate, you know, this is nothing personal. I really,
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  Speaker 1: in hindsight, I think I have more respect, Mark, for
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: Kurt even taking this job when you knew you were
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: walking into almost a no-win situation with a team that
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: wasn't going to compete with a one-year contract. And when
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: you look at some of the personalities they had in
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: the team, you know, Jorge Soler, Yuan Mankata, guys who
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: just weren't the type of, let's just say they weren't
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: the Wade Meckler types of guys who you know are
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: going to just run through a wall for you.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying my feelings about Kurt have changed. I
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: think there was a lot of things that he just
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: wasn't very good at as a manager, and some of
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: those happened in the first half of the season before.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: Mo was here.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of that had to do with managing the clubhouse,
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: nipping some of these things in the bud in terms
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: of the lack of hustle. But I don't know. Do
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  Speaker 1: you view Kurt any differently just knowing how difficult the
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: situation really was. And maybe, I don't know, maybe I
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: have a little more understanding of why most sort.
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: Of feels about, feels how he does about Kurt. Go
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: back to the beginning of the year, Sam Blum, I
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: think the took the under on 65 wins and he
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: was right about that. And then, you know, there was
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: some other rhetoric that it was foolish to dismiss this
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: ball club so soon. It's just ridiculous. to write them off.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: And what was it? I don't think it was. I
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: think I was being too nice when we did our
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: preseason predictions. I didn't see a good team. I don't
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: think you did either. It was, if everything goes right,
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: maybe we can sniff 500 and buy everything, literally everything.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: And to be honest, the starting pitch, Jose Soriano was
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: incredible for us, Decent sample size. Reid Detmer's had a
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: fantastic season. You have Walbert Urania. You had a healthy
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: Mike Trout. We'll talk about him in a second. But
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: he was as available as he has been in many years.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: OPS over 800, 100-and-something walks. The defense has declined. But
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: it's hard to say that this was not– I mean,
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: I think this was a win for Mike Trout in
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: terms of battling the injuries and– you know, mentally there's
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: a ton that goes into that too. Trusting that the
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: knee is going to hold up. And he was out
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: there minus the last game, which some people had opinions
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: about too, but I'm not surprised. Uh, that's a veteran courtesy, uh,
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  Speaker 2: to me. And people that get hung up on this
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: 100 games, it's just silly. It's silly. What is 99 losses?
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: It's equally as garbage. Uh, there's no difference to me
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: at all. Um, if, if it's, why would you even
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: want to mention that, uh, to anyone anyway, as a
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: point of pride, Hey, we've never lost a hundred games.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Like who people would laugh in my, I would laugh.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Somebody dropped that on me. Well, how much have you won?
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: It's about the winning and, uh, just being, you know,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: a team that has not gotten there. And I think
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: that's part of it too, that they didn't really capitalize
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: on the draft picks, uh, when they were this new
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: format doesn't reward the big tankers like, like they used to,
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: but this is a team that at least has a
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: strategy now, as far as whether or not people agree
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: with John Moselec's comments today, that's for them to debate.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not surprised by what I heard. I think that
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: there were a few things that didn't get any coverage
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: that surprised me. I think one of which is he
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: made a little footnote at some point that what the
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Best thing for some of these players, and I think
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: two in particular I thought about, might be a little
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: more seasoning down on the farm. I believe he might
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: have been talking about second and third base. I don't
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: know if you heard that part. Yeah, I heard him.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: He was saying that Guzman at 22 would have been
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: a college senior this year. So that's a lot, obviously.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: I'm going to infer that Christian Moore was also part
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: of that too. And I think about myself at that age, 22,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: I was playing in the fall league, 23, I was
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: in the Dominican Republic and 24 after I'd already played, uh, uh,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: September and the big leagues, I was on my way
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: to Venezuela. And I think that's the big difference today.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: A guy like Christian Moore, uh, where does he go?
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: I am. If it were me, uh, I would, you
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: want to figure it out in the game in, in,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: and I think that's where Venezuela gave me a huge
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: confidence boost going into my, uh, full-fledged rookie season, uh,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: where I was able to hold my own facing good competition.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: The fans absolutely bring it. You're going to face pressure.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: And I think he needs to face, uh, pressure because
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: what does more seasoning look like in Salt Lake city?
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: That's not a great recipe. Uh, maybe someone can argue
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: that it is and convince me that, um, they could
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: benefit from that, but it's almost like they don't have
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: this in between stage for guys that aren't, um, you know,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: working their way up from a ball, double A, triple A,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: that is the sequence. So a couple of questions that
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: are intriguing. Maybe success can be found in a facility somewhere.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: I'd like to see it.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's still the case, but I
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: know at least when you were coming up and 20,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: 30 years ago, didn't they always send kids like Christian
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Moore and Guzman down to Venezuela or the Dominican so
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: they can learn to hit breaking balls? It just seemed
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: like there are a lot of older pitchers down there
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: throwing a lot of junk a lot of off speed
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: and boy if there's one thing both these kids need
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of work on is hitting breaking balls I.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Think it yes the answer is yes especially Venezuela a
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: lot more off speed Dominican has more uh hard throwers
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: uh And that was at least my observation, although Venezuela
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: has their fair share too. But that's where I got
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: a lot better at hitting the breaking ball. I think
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: I touched on that before. But also, you're going to
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: hear it. You're going to hear fans that are on you.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: You're going to have crowds that are much bigger than
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: maybe that you're used to. And there is a pressure
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: to perform because down there, they do not mess around.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: If you are below the Mendoza line, they're going to
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: catch it. And they don't care about your prospect status,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: your draft. No, I'm serious. Your draft status. You put
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: up or you don't and they'll find somebody else. And
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: they've done it for. And I think that's a very
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: interesting element. I got fired down there in the Dominican
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: and I deserve to be fired. I wasn't playing well.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: When they did it, I said, yeah, of course I
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: would fire me. So that is partly why I'm very
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: interested in today's world with the player development, more scientifically.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: All the numbers, but how do you create that confidence
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: for guys that could really use it going into, you know,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: next year's big league season? Yeah.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Let's turn to another huge takeaway from today. And this
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: one I was really glad to see. We'll go to
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Jeff Fletcher's tweet. Mo also said Mike Trout came to
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: him about playing left field and more DH next year.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: And Mo Zaloc called that a win-win for Trout and
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: the Angels.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: Boy, I.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Think we talked about it on our last show.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: It was, what, four or five years ago when we
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: got to spring training and Joe Maddon said Trout was
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: going to move to a corner. Trout responded very negatively.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: And within, what, two or three days, Trout was back
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: in center field, sort of like, how dare you? I
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: don't know if, I can't remember if they made that
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: move without consulting him first and if that's what he
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: was pissed about. But either way, he was not happy
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: with that. But boy, this year, whole nother story. first
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: of all, it's great that Mike Trout was healthy enough
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: to play over, I think it was over 100 games
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: in center field. However, Trout, according to Fangrass, had a
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: minus eight defensive runs saved. That was 14th out of
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: 17 qualifying center fielders. He had a minus five outs
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: above average. That was 16th and an overall defensive rating
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: of minus 5.7. And that was 16th, the only Other
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: center fielder who is considered worse was Trent Grisham of
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the Yankees. So the eyeballs tell you what the numbers
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: don't need. The numbers back up what the eyeballs have
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: seen all year. Mark, I don't know if physically it's
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: going to help him that much to move to a
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: corner or be that big a difference. But if the
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Angels can upgrade defensively as center fielder, preferably with a
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: guy who who can bring something on the offensive side,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: that's a win-win in my mind.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: I think that it is, it needs to be said.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I think that Mike, if he, I'm not going to
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: say if this seems to be how it went down,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: if he is saying it himself, then he knows, um,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: the reality of it. You can't beat father time. I
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: believe there were only two center fielders, um, Mike and
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Frederick Mullins that were 30 plus years old. Oh, 30 plus.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: If I, if I'm wrong, um, Correct me. Correct me
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: all you want. But let's say that that is true.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: That's very indicative of the way the game is going
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: as a whole. Center field is a position that has
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: got to be manned by someone with excellent speed, excellent
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: ability to save runs on extra base hits come in.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: And I think that that's probably the area. Well, going
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: back wasn't a strength either. I think the balls coming in,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: there were a lot that fell. A lot of people
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: thought he played too deep. Uh, but if, well, that's
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: the dilemma, but I think the sound strategy is, is to,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: when you get older and you know that things are declining,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: you want to limit the extra base hits more than
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: the dink singles. They're both going to hurt, but you're
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: giving up two, uh, you know, doubles, triples. Um, those
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: really sting those. I saw something where, um, you know,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: these defensive runs saved, there was a number attributed to, uh,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: I can't remember who it was, but an ill-advised attempt
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: at a ball that got by for a triple, and
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: it was almost a full run value. So that at
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: least opened my eyes to how important it is. And
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: it's not going to be the same for infielders, and
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: they don't grade it the same. But all of these
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: things matter. Why left field over right field, do you think?
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I think left field is a little less demanding, although
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: in Anaheim, Angel Stadium, I'm not sure that's the case
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: because anything over your head in right field in Anaheim
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: is probably going to hit off that big wall or
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: be a home run.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: I think the throw is a third. We'll have to
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: ask somebody who's played both of those. Yeah, I think
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: the throw is a third.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Wait. All right, we'll get to that in a sec.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: You ask me, I'm going to give you my answer.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I think the throws from left field are a lot
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: easier to third base. You don't need a Vladdy Guerrero-like
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: cannon to play left field. I think you can get
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: away with a little bit more there. And I think
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: left field, uh, let's just say Mike Trout cannot be
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: any worse than Jose Siri out there.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: I'll, I'll, I'll put it that way.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: That's a whole nother can of worms, but Mark, since
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: you have played both corner spots and the corner infield spots,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: including third base and a no hitter, what is the difference, uh,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: I assume the angles are similar from a lefty, you know,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: in left field, the righty slicing to the right field.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: They're not.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Do educate us. This is my opinion, and I don't
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: have and didn't have the athleticism that some of these
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: guys do. Although, Siri's got the athleticism, and, you know,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: we saw. He did pop a home run. I think
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: that we'd be remiss not to mention that big contribution. But, yeah.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: right field to me came a lot more naturally. I
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: always advocated, um, when I could let Seattle, for example,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: it always stick me in left field. Uh, I was
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: no good out there. I don't know what it was,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: but I was not very good on the left side
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: of the field. I think we, you know, LOL, um,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: as I do to the third base play, but I,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: it just, um, and I had some arm strength, but
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: it wasn't something that, uh, I gunned to my head.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: And I think that at some point, I know the
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: NFL has done this, but, eye dominance. It's going to
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: sound very geeky, but LSU really leaned into having receivers
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: run routes that only favored their dominant eye and the
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: catch percentage. I remember talking to Jack Marucci about this
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: years ago, bat maker and head athletic trainer. But I
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: think that for me, it probably came down to the
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: fact that I got much better reads in right field
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: and I wasn't as apt. In left field too, you got...
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: it's changed with the, with the change of hit, the
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: style of hitting, but there used to be a lot
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: more little left-handed guys that would hit those bloopers. Um,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: and kind of just kind of like what Arias does,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: does kind of like what Shauna will does, uh, and
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: punch it down the line. And I was coming in
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: being a right-hander trying to go across the body. Um,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: and usually if I was coming in and across, not
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: a lot of good things happened. So, You got to
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: pick your spots. I know Meckler had a couple kind
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: of clunk. I think in Sacramento, he just something about
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: the lights. He's a better defender than that. But at
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: the end, there were a couple of plays. So I
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: was curious as to kind of what was going on.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Part of it, too, and this is going to sound stupid, but,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: you know, running out every day to your position in
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: between innings. Sometimes it's the shorter route. Depends where your
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: dugout is, right? It does depend where your dugout is,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: but I have to assume Mike came up, and I
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: believe when he got called up, he was playing left field.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: He got hit 19. That was his first, I believe,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: his debut was in left field.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Now, why was that? Maybe because the arm at that
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: time was not strong, and it was adequate, but below average.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: They also had a guy who might have won nine
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: gold gloves in center field, a guy by the name
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: of Torrey Hunter.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: They had plenty of depth. Peter Borges played a great
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: center field, too. Oh, my God. Go ahead.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I'll never forget the game in Baltimore where Trout made
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: that insane catch with half of his body above the
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: wall and right center. And later that game, he was
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: replaced by Borges for defensive purposes.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: I don't think J.J. Hardy will forget that game either.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: Oh, I know.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: That was amazing. Why was he... taken out i was
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: i was in left field if i'm not mistaken i
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: should have been long gone before.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: He maybe he i i'm gonna go back and look
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: at the box for when we're done he might have
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: got moved to left is my guess because yeah that
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: was the second year he was still playing some left
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: field all right our third takeaway and this one is
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: not that surprising uh from monday's presser with john mosey
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: luck mo said in terms uh of the.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Gm search it's now on pause What that means.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: And he also said that his own status with the team,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: and we've speculated that he sure is speaking and acting
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: and maybe sounding like a guy who doesn't want to
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: leave but ultimately this is going to be the the
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: decision of the cronky group they may have somebody completely
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: else in mind to run the team, to be a
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: president of baseball operations. That person would pick a GM.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Those two people would probably pick a new manager. All
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: this speculation about Kurt Suzuki could be moot if Mo
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: is not back. So Mo doesn't really have any more
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: clarity on his status. That's going to probably be decided
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: over the next few weeks. Remember, his contract goes through December.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: He's still considered interim GM and a consultant. Um, any
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: other takeaways, Mark, from today's presser?
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I think that it was, I'm going to go back
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: and listen.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: What was it?
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: About 25 minutes or so. There was a lot said,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: and I don't know how the media as a whole,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: you could answer this obviously, but you, how do you
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: choose what parts to cover? Uh, probably obviously the ones
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: that are going to get the most looks, the most reactions,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: but there was a fair amount of things buried in
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: there too. One of them was, uh, Shauna Wells, uh,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: inability to stay on the field for the entirety of
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: the season. And I think that that is something that
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Mo is clearly stating he would like to see improved.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: He talked about Zach Netto's maturation and really impressing him.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: I guess they've had a number of conversations. I'm not
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: surprised that he's followed up beyond the one because I
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: think that Zach strikes me as a guy that might
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: need general reminders and some positive reinforcement from time to time.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: And that's a good thing. And I think that they're
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: going to really need him to continue to do that.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: As Joe Adele, I think was somewhat, or did a
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: nice job as a vocal leader, let's call it. And
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: then probably a little bit of a void after that.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: And overall, I just, when you put up those stats earlier,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, looking at the offense, it was, you talk
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: about why this team struggle. I can't get off of
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: some of these things and led the league in strikeouts
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: and lowest OPS, lowest slugging percentage, not a lot of doubles,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: not a lot of triples. 29th in runs, yeah. Yeah,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: the RBIs, I think that that's one thing too. When
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: evaluating players sometimes, and that would be my last point,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: guys get very attached to their hometown players or the
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: players they root for. Comparing them to players on their
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: own team, And when you're comparing guys to players on
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: this team, it's not the highest bar. So I think
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: that people can get a little bit annoyed. Is there
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: a best contact hitter? And it's like, well, that may
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: be the case, but how does he compare to the
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: rest of the league? If you were to take trade
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: calls today, how many people would want this player? Would
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: the phone be ringing off the hook? Would it be
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: kind of silent? So when I look at some of
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: these things, One last point, I guess, too, is I
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: saw a footnote. I don't think we've covered it since,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: but they are going to encourage him to get into
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: better shape. And I think that's something that you advocated, too,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: to be able to catch more games.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think if he's going to be an
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: asset offensively, if you can have that offensive asset behind the.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Plate, look at what Cal Raleigh did for.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: The Mariners last year.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, you like that one, huh, Mark? No pun intended.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I think, I think physically he, you know,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: he is athletic. I think he will have a lot
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: better chance than the angels apparently agree with this of
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: catching 80 to 90 may a hundred might be a reach,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: but you know, more than 80 to more than half
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: the games. If he, if he thins up, if he,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: if he leans up a bit and is not carrying
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: that much weight because it's, It's a brutal position to play.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: It's the most demanding, grueling position in baseball, one of
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: the more grueling positions in all of sports. And if
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: he's worn down physically from trying to catch too much
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: because he's carrying a little too much weight, I can't
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: imagine that not affecting him at the plate. We'll just
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: leave that at that.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: I think it was well said. I think that– I
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: don't know if he's verbalized that he– I haven't seen
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: anything related to the fatigue. I just think the overall–
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: athleticism and saving some runs, uh, if needed, but I
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: like him as a player. The numbers were somewhat modest,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: but I look at the, uh, what stands out. I
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: see premium bat speed and I see very good hand eye.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: And I think that this is a guy that could
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: really contribute and has got that thump, uh, weird to
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: talk about this team because that's what they were known
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: for a couple of years ago, but, uh, not so
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: much now. Um, so we did the best we could with,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: with what we had today. I think next episode, Maybe
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: we'll have more clarity. I doubt that we'll get some
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: concrete answers on these things. And feel free in the
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: comments section. I think somebody told you to get an
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Otani angel bobblehead.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, I forgot to put that up there. I'm sorry.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I'll get that for the next show. Hey, one last
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: thought on today's presser. One thing that also stood out
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: to me was if Mo does stay, he does seem
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: to have developed a pretty good working and personal relationship
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: with Zach Netto. his actual quote to me, he really
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: grew up and his teammates started to look at him
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: as a leader. I was impressed with how he grew
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: as a player. He's a talented guy. And I don't
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: think either of us have ever questioned his talent. It's
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: a matter of consistent focus of attitude of effort. And
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It leads me to believe that if
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Mo does stay on board, I think Zach Netto is
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: going to be here to stay as well, that he, Yeah,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: he is clearly the best player on this team right now,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: and he can do a lot of things. What was it,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: 60-something extra base hits, 20-something stolen bases, led the team
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: in homers, had a pretty good year, especially when, you know,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: in the last two months, last 40, 50 games of
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: the season. So moving forward, maybe Zach Netto can feel
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: a little more loved. Maybe he gets that contract extension
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: we think he wants.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Maybe with....
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: With that feeling of security, he'll feel more wanted and,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: and just, just feel more reasons to, you know, put
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: his best effort forward every night and, and maybe grow
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: up a little. So I thought that was a positive
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: coming out of today as well.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: I agree.
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  Speaker 2: Anything else, Mark? No, I think that, uh, I guess
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: a question, if you've made it this far, uh, what
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: would you like us to, uh, try and tackle? We
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: have some options. We're going to get player interviews, uh, Ex-player,
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: more likely. We will try for some current players. Maybe
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: some front office executives. Maybe even, well, he's not a
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: former owner, but part owner. Long shot. Very long shot.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: But I know Ben Golfs wanted to hear from some
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: of the gritty guys from the O2 team. I'd like
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: to hear more from some of the guys from my
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: era that are in between and maybe a little bit
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: forgotten at times with, you know, didn't win a World Series,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: but the Howie Kendricks of the world and Guys like that.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: So we'll do the best we can. Let us know.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: And I've got to go to lunch. See you.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: That'll be all for Halo Territory today. Thanks for listening.
• 37:09
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• 37:12
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