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Ghislaine Maxwell And Her Accuser "Jane" · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: Up everyone and welcome to the Epstein Chronicles. Yesterday marked
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  Speaker 1: day one of the Ghislaine Maxwell trial and I have
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  Speaker 1: to tell you I was caught a bit off guard.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting Larry Big Dog Vesoski to be put
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  Speaker 1: on the stand right away like that. I figured there
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  Speaker 1: would be some opening statements from both sides and then
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  Speaker 1: we'd get into the meat and the potatoes a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of the meat on the bone in the coming days.
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  Speaker 1: But they got right to it yesterday. And Larry Vysotsky
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  Speaker 1: is a major cog within the Epstein realm. He was
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  Speaker 1: Epstein's pilot. He was flying all of these people all
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  Speaker 1: over the world. And obviously, according to him, he'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you that he didn't know who was on all of
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  Speaker 1: those flights, especially the domestic ones. But You have to
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  Speaker 1: think that the government believes that he has something to
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  Speaker 1: add if they're calling him as their first witness. And
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  Speaker 1: it also makes me wonder if he cuts some kind
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  Speaker 1: of deal with the government. Now, again, there's zero evidence
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  Speaker 1: that Larry Vesosky was ever going to be indicted or
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  Speaker 1: anything like that. But it's pretty interesting that he's working
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  Speaker 1: with the government here. I mean, we're talking about a
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  Speaker 1: guy that Jeffrey Epstein gave a plot of land to
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  Speaker 1: right over there in his own ranch down in Stanley.
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  Speaker 1: And when I went down there to New Mexico, it
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  Speaker 1: is almost hard to explain just how vast this property
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  Speaker 1: is and just how desolate this property is. Jeffrey Epstein
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  Speaker 1: set up a nice little home away from home down
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  Speaker 1: there at Zorro Ranch and And the things he was
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  Speaker 1: doing down there were very secretive, right? It wasn't something
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  Speaker 1: that was well publicized. There was a reason he chose
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  Speaker 1: that spot in New Mexico. I mean, obviously, one of
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  Speaker 1: the reasons is the age of consent there. But there
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  Speaker 1: were other reasons why Jeffrey Epstein chose New Mexico. And
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  Speaker 1: the fact that he was able to get away with
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  Speaker 1: the things he was able to get away with in
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  Speaker 1: New Mexico... is just mind-boggling to me. But the point is,
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  Speaker 1: you don't give somebody a big fat chunk of land
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  Speaker 1: in a place that you're hoping to keep relatively private,
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  Speaker 1: or at the very least under a shroud of secrecy,
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  Speaker 1: a piece of land there, if you don't trust them.
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  Speaker 1: So my question is, what enticed him to offer up
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  Speaker 1: information for the government? Now again, I don't have any
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  Speaker 1: a lead saying that he had a proffer agreement or
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  Speaker 1: he was in any jeopardy of being indicted. But I
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  Speaker 1: just find it interesting that he is talking with the
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  Speaker 1: government now and not only just talking with the government, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: but taking the stand as a government witness. Usually that
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing doesn't just happen organically, right? The government is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they find ways to get people to do
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  Speaker 1: what they want them to do. especially if you have
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  Speaker 1: something that might be criminal hanging over your head. They
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  Speaker 1: will definitely leverage that. They'll use it in their favor
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  Speaker 1: and they'll get you moving in a direction that they
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  Speaker 1: want you to move in. So the Larry Vesosky on
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  Speaker 1: the stand, it's definitely very interesting. But as I ruminated
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  Speaker 1: on it last night and I let it marinate, I
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  Speaker 1: had some more questions, right? Like, did he get a
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  Speaker 1: proffer agreement? Is he working with the government? because he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't want to be charged himself? Or did they just
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  Speaker 1: turn him as a witness? So it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: very interesting to see all of the details, right? All
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  Speaker 1: of the specifics as we move forward. And with something
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  Speaker 1: like this, a trial, a case with just so much information,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be very fluid. Things are going to
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  Speaker 1: happen quickly and things are going to happen on a
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  Speaker 1: daily basis. Every single time that you have this jury impaneled,
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  Speaker 1: and the trial going on, you're going to have significant
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  Speaker 1: things coming out of those sessions. So, getting right off
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  Speaker 1: to a jump with Larry Vysotsky as witness number one,
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  Speaker 1: it just tells me that there's going to be some
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  Speaker 1: more surprises coming down the old chute here. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: very curious to see who else the government offers up
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  Speaker 1: As witnesses. And on the flip side of that. I'm
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  Speaker 1: wondering who the defense. Is going to pony up as
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  Speaker 1: a witness. Besides their paid for specialists. Are they going
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  Speaker 1: to have anyone show up. And you know. Polish. Ghislaine
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell's reputation. Is anyone going to step into that box.
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  Speaker 1: And say hey look. Ghislaine Maxwell is a good person.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't do this. And I think that she's innocent. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't heard that they're going to have anybody up
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  Speaker 1: there to do that, but you would think, right, if
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  Speaker 1: you're the defense, one thing you want to do is
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  Speaker 1: try to establish that your client has, you know, is
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  Speaker 1: a person of character, is somebody who this is below
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  Speaker 1: and somebody who would never engage in behavior like this.
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  Speaker 1: And if your client is somebody like that, it stands
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  Speaker 1: to reason that you'd be able to find a few
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  Speaker 1: people that are willing to, you know, go on the
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  Speaker 1: record and testify that she's a good person. Or that
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  Speaker 1: she's somebody of upstanding character. So I'm interested to see
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  Speaker 1: what sort of trick the Maxwell team pulls out of
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  Speaker 1: their hat. When it comes to establishing her as a
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  Speaker 1: credible person. Or somebody who should be believed. Because you
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  Speaker 1: know that the prosecution is... They're coming hard. Obviously if
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  Speaker 1: Vysotsky is the first witness. You gotta think that there's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be a litany of people. trotting up to that
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  Speaker 1: box that have damning statements about Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey
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  Speaker 1: Epstein and the way they were conducting themselves. And who
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  Speaker 1: better situated than the guy that was flying them all
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  Speaker 1: around the world? Now, last night, I updated and I
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  Speaker 1: uploaded an episode about the other pilot that was brought
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  Speaker 1: up at this trial, David Rogers. You might want to
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  Speaker 1: check that out as well. But with Larry Vesosky taking
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  Speaker 1: the stand here, it's pretty significant. For those of us
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  Speaker 1: who have been following the case especially, I was talking
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  Speaker 1: with some of my colleagues who follow the case yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: and it was pretty much a unanimous consensus that this
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  Speaker 1: is probably going to lead us to even more explosive
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  Speaker 1: witnesses hitting that stand. So I'm very interested to see
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  Speaker 1: where things go today, and I'm interested to see what
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  Speaker 1: sort of strategy the defense is going to use when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to cross-examining Larry Vysotsky. We can definitely expect
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  Speaker 1: more of Vysotsky today. And, you know, we'll see what
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  Speaker 1: comes of it. But I think it's very, very interesting
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  Speaker 1: that he was the first witness. And I think it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be interesting to see how it all breaks
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  Speaker 1: down from here. So... Today, what we're going to do
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  Speaker 1: is we're going to take a look at some of
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  Speaker 1: the headlines from overnight and, yeah, take a look at
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  Speaker 1: what's going on. We have a headline over here from Slate,
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  Speaker 1: and this is an article that was published by Seth Stevenson.
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  Speaker 1: The headline, Glenn Maxwell's trial opens with her lawyer diving
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  Speaker 1: straight into the muck. And he goes into what's going
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  Speaker 1: on like outside of the courthouse and all of that jazz.
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  Speaker 1: From the article, Outside the Thurgood Marshall Federal Courthouse in
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  Speaker 1: Lower Manhattan this morning, the media throng assembled to cover
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  Speaker 1: day one of the Ghislaine Maxwell trial. Print reporters, newsletter writers, podcasters,
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  Speaker 1: and television crews coalesced into the strangely glamorous frenzy that
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  Speaker 1: seems to accompany the launch of every high-profile criminal proceedings. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the reason I bring this headline up is I talk
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  Speaker 1: a lot about how it's Carnival Barker City right now.
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  Speaker 1: And you're definitely seeing it out in front of the courthouse.
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  Speaker 1: There are people of all stripes showing up and making
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  Speaker 1: their voices heard. And you have a lot of misinformed
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  Speaker 1: people as well. But one thing is very apparent to me.
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  Speaker 1: And it is that there is a lot of anger
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  Speaker 1: on both sides of the political fence. And it's not
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  Speaker 1: very often that you see that. Now, of course, there
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  Speaker 1: are the yahoos that are using this as a political
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  Speaker 1: cudgel to beat their political opponents over the head. And
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  Speaker 1: I'd be very cautious of any of these pundits that
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  Speaker 1: are talking about this case from either side of the conversation.
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  Speaker 1: I'd be very cautious about what sort of rhetoric they're
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  Speaker 1: spinning towards you. Because this is much bigger than that.
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  Speaker 1: This is so much bigger than Republican and Democrat. This
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  Speaker 1: is so much bigger than left and right. You have
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  Speaker 1: to understand that this was people at all levers of
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  Speaker 1: power from both parties who were enabling this and facilitating
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  Speaker 1: this for decades. So to try and penetrate... it on
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  Speaker 1: one party or the other is a great disservice to
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  Speaker 1: those who were actually abused by this scumbag. So while
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  Speaker 1: the circus-like atmosphere is to be expected, I think that
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  Speaker 1: it is one of the most gross ways to go
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  Speaker 1: about things when you're using this as a political cudgel. Now,
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  Speaker 1: of course, there's a political angle to it, right? Definitely.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of the people involved had ties to politicians
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  Speaker 1: or were politicians themselves. But it's very apparent when someone's
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  Speaker 1: trying to harness this as a political weapon. And I
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  Speaker 1: would just caution you to be very, very wary of that.
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  Speaker 1: He goes on to say, I've seen it before. It
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  Speaker 1: always starts this way. No matter the trial, when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to a high-profile one, it's always going to have
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  Speaker 1: a cast of characters, right? So, I just, it's one
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  Speaker 1: of those things where I just, I witness and I
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  Speaker 1: observe and shake my head. You know, you have like,
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  Speaker 1: like he says here, when Michael Jackson's trial for child
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  Speaker 1: sexual abuse charges was getting underway, the media revved up
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  Speaker 1: to cover the bizarre tale of an eccentric global superstar.
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  Speaker 1: And then the trial began and we met a dim,
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  Speaker 1: lonely drunk who liked to show porno mags to little boys.
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  Speaker 1: So I guess what he's trying to say here in
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  Speaker 1: this article is the perception of what a trial is
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  Speaker 1: going to be and then the reality of it are
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  Speaker 1: usually two very, very different things. And I think we'll
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  Speaker 1: see a lot of that in this case as well.
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  Speaker 1: There are a lot of misinformed people when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to the Jeffrey Epstein case, the Ghislaine Maxwell trial. and
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  Speaker 1: all of the players on the stage. And hopefully, when
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  Speaker 1: we're done here on the podcast, we can try and
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  Speaker 1: clear a little bit of that up. And my suggestion
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  Speaker 1: would be to all of you out there who are
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  Speaker 1: new to this case, who have just found the Ghislaine
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell trial or have just gotten interested in this, I
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  Speaker 1: would suggest that you go onto social media and you
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  Speaker 1: seek out some of the survivors from this case and
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  Speaker 1: follow them on social media. And listen to them in
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  Speaker 1: their own words. That way there's no background noise. There's
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  Speaker 1: no middle man. And one thing that these survivors did
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  Speaker 1: that was pretty much groundbreaking. Was they skipped the legacy media.
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  Speaker 1: And they went directly to social media. To independent content creators.
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  Speaker 1: And independent journalists to get the story out. And once
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  Speaker 1: there was such a swell from all of you people
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  Speaker 1: out there who have been following this case. They were
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  Speaker 1: forced to act, right? And it's been pretty crazy to
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  Speaker 1: watch it all unfold. Because it has been time and
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  Speaker 1: time again where not only were these girls, women... Victimized
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  Speaker 1: by Jeffrey Epstein and allegedly Maxwell. But by our very
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  Speaker 1: own justice system. By the people who were put in
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  Speaker 1: place to make sure that the most vulnerable amongst us
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  Speaker 1: are protected. Those very people failed these girls. And you
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  Speaker 1: heard it yesterday in the trial. And it's something I've
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  Speaker 1: been punching home for a long time here. They chose
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  Speaker 1: girls from broken homes. Girls who come from Low income families.
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  Speaker 1: Girls who don't have as many prospects on the horizon.
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  Speaker 1: And they specifically search these kinds of girls out. And
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  Speaker 1: that just makes it even more draconian to me. As
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  Speaker 1: if it's not hard enough. Being broke. Being poor. Coming
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  Speaker 1: from a broken home. Now you have this multi hundred
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  Speaker 1: million dollar predator. And his co-associate. His underboss. Bringing you
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  Speaker 1: in to groom you and molest you. It's absolutely horrendous
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  Speaker 1: to think about. And the fact that they preyed on
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  Speaker 1: the most vulnerable amongst us. It just makes me so mad.
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  Speaker 1: I really dislike bullies. And I really like people who
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  Speaker 1: punch down. I really dislike people who punch down. And
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein was all of that. And Ghislaine Maxwell. She
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  Speaker 1: went right along with it. She was right there making
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  Speaker 1: decisions with them. And... helping him facilitate all of this
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  Speaker 1: according to multiple, multiple survivors. He goes on to say
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  Speaker 1: that he suspects that the trial of Ghislaine Maxwell, who
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  Speaker 1: stands accused of helping Jeffrey Epstein sexually abuse minors, will
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  Speaker 1: follow a similar arc to those other trials, meaning, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the whole entire circus atmosphere, etc., etc., He says the
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  Speaker 1: media has revved itself up to cover the story of
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  Speaker 1: a stylish jet-setting socialite who broke fantastically bad. But over
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  Speaker 1: the coming long courtroom days, chances are we'll hear less
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  Speaker 1: about how she graduated from Oxford, speaks several languages and
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  Speaker 1: can pilot helicopters, and more about how she allegedly took
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  Speaker 1: teenage girls on Florida shopping mall excursions as a means
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  Speaker 1: of prepping them for molestation. Yeah, well, anyone who's showing
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  Speaker 1: up here thinking that Ghislaine Maxwell is just some you know,
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  Speaker 1: shrinking violet socialite, you're in for a rude awakening because
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  Speaker 1: that is not the case. Ghislaine Maxwell is not that, okay?
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  Speaker 1: She knew exactly what she was getting into. Well-educated lady,
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  Speaker 1: comes from money, comes from power. And to think that
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  Speaker 1: she was just along for the ride is absolutely ridiculous. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, again, When we talk about the overall atmosphere
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  Speaker 1: around this trial, there's going to be some wildness. There's
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  Speaker 1: no doubt about it. And there's going to be a
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  Speaker 1: ton of carnival barkers and a ton of disinformation agents.
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  Speaker 1: But one thing that is going to be constant, one
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  Speaker 1: thing that you can guarantee is the profile that's going
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  Speaker 1: to be painted of Ghislaine Maxwell is going to be
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  Speaker 1: less than flattering. By the prosecution. And not only that.
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  Speaker 1: But those assertions. Well they're going to be backed up.
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  Speaker 1: By evidence. And the statements from the survivors. Themselves. So.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be. A very very interesting. Few weeks.
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  Speaker 1: To see which way Maxwell's team. Goes with all of this.
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  Speaker 1: Now we already know. That their strategy so far. has
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  Speaker 1: been to come out and blame the girls, basically, right?
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  Speaker 1: Saying that, you know, Maxwell was just someone who was
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  Speaker 1: around for Epstein's run. She didn't have anything to do
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  Speaker 1: with it. And, you know, the girls are liars. They're
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  Speaker 1: really above the age of consent. So, you know how
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  Speaker 1: it goes. This is the typical defense when you see
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  Speaker 1: a case like this. You know, they try and impugn
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  Speaker 1: the reputation of the accusers. They try and set them
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  Speaker 1: up as if they're money hungry or they're prostitutes or
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  Speaker 1: whatever it may be. But they've been doing this forever.
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  Speaker 1: It's like when you're in the NFL and you fire
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  Speaker 1: your coach and you think it's a good idea to
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  Speaker 1: bring in Wade Wilson again. Bro, why are you bringing
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  Speaker 1: in the same guy with the same playbook? And that's
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  Speaker 1: what the Maxwell team is doing here. And I've been
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  Speaker 1: pretty steadfast in my opinion that it's not going to
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  Speaker 1: work out. You're not going to paint Maxwell as a scapegoat.
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  Speaker 1: She's not a stand-in for Epstein's crimes. None of that.
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  Speaker 1: And I really hope that the prosecution punches that home.
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  Speaker 1: Now again, not very confident. in the, the prosecution in America,
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  Speaker 1: the prosecutors in America, when they're going after high profile people.
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  Speaker 1: Oh sure. When the federal authorities are going after you
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  Speaker 1: or me, it's a home run for them, right? Slam
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  Speaker 1: dunk city. But when they're going after their own friends,
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  Speaker 1: the other, uh, members of so-called elite society, it usually
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  Speaker 1: turns out a little bit different, doesn't it? But hopefully
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  Speaker 1: there's enough, um, interest and enough anger around this case
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  Speaker 1: that they can't pull any of those nonsensical moves that
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  Speaker 1: they usually like to pull. So, I hope that the
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  Speaker 1: prosecution continues to beat home the fact that Ghislaine Maxwell
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  Speaker 1: was not a passenger on this ship. She wasn't just
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  Speaker 1: somebody who was stowing away. She was, in fact, piloting
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  Speaker 1: the ship sometimes. She was in the navigation room. She
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  Speaker 1: knew how the engine worked. And she certainly, most certainly,
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  Speaker 1: knew what was going on. And for her to set
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  Speaker 1: it up as if she had no idea what was
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  Speaker 1: going on, you know, that she was just completely taken
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  Speaker 1: off guard by what happened here, is just an absolute
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  Speaker 1: ridiculous leap that they're asking people to take. And I
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  Speaker 1: honestly doubt anyone's going to be willing to take that leap. So,
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  Speaker 1: there you have it, folks, for the morning. Now, trial's
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  Speaker 1: getting ready or is back underway as we speak. It's...
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  Speaker 1: 6 a.m. here in Las Vegas as this episode's about
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  Speaker 1: to be dropped. So we got a whole day ahead
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  Speaker 1: of us. We're going to keep an eye on things.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty much locked into the studio watching the live
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  Speaker 1: streams happen with the updates, live updates, not phone or
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  Speaker 1: you know, digital or anything like that. But there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of live threads on like Twitter from inner city press.
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  Speaker 1: Adam Classfeld has a real good live feed that he's
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  Speaker 1: been doing. So I'll be following those all day and
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  Speaker 1: preparing to come back tonight and do a wrap up
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  Speaker 1: show and talk about what occurred throughout the day in
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  Speaker 1: the trial and what, if any, surprises or curve balls
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  Speaker 1: were thrown our way. If you'd like to contact me,
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  Speaker 1: you can do that at bobbycapucci at protonmail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I
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