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Laguna Talks with Marrie Stone and Barbara McMurray · Laguna Talks

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  Speaker 1: Because everybody all over the world should be joining a
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  Speaker 1: love train, and we have a love train this afternoon
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  Speaker 1: right here in our studio for a KX takeover. I'm
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  Speaker 1: back Billy Freed with the Laguna Talks Hour and our
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  Speaker 1: illustrious guest DJs today, writer, podcast host Maurice Stone, activist,
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  Speaker 1: and I would say political organizer, okay, writer, that's right, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: that's what she is. Ravel Rasel, Barbara Mick Murray, Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to the show. Hi, great to have you guys. Thanks
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  Speaker 1: for supporting Community Radio.
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  Speaker 2: Good to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're our guest DJs today. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: let's start by talking about what music moves you and why.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the last couple of days, I've been taking
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  Speaker 3: a lot of solace in music, and my playlist will
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  Speaker 3: reflect that as I look at it. Some of it's
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  Speaker 3: a little bit dark, but you know we can go there.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, this is a free speech it's savage. Didn't you
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  Speaker 1: know that free speech is a thing again.
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  Speaker 2: Barber's angry. Yeah, seize it while you can, Barbara, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: seize your free speech while you have it.
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  Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna, I'm gonna, but I know the
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  Speaker 1: free speech as long as you own the media.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly, and you don't swear right.
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  Speaker 1: So I do want to start off by saying congratulations
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  Speaker 1: because you were the organized the campaign manager for Halle Jones.
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  Speaker 3: I worked on Holle Jones's campaign.
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  Speaker 1: So there should be some solace there.
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  Speaker 3: There is a great deal of solace, right, So many
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  Speaker 3: many people texted me and said the one bright spot
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  Speaker 3: Zach Jones and Bob Whale and prevailed.
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  Speaker 1: It's a big bright spot because, as we were saying earlier,
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  Speaker 1: this is what really matters in our lives. That other stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I know, Okay, if you're a pregnant sixteen year old
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  Speaker 1: in Texas, it definitely matters. But in our world, right
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  Speaker 1: here in Laguna, in this bubble, what really matters is
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  Speaker 1: what happens locally. And we have a fine city council,
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  Speaker 1: probably the best we've had in years.
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  Speaker 3: It's true. I'm looking forward to seeing a functioning governing
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  Speaker 3: body that respects the staff and both the police and
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  Speaker 3: the fire department.
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  Speaker 1: And wouldn't that be refreshed.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody gets along and then cooking at each.
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  Speaker 1: Other, right would and even if they disagree, they do
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  Speaker 1: so civilly and all with the shared purpose of just
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  Speaker 1: improving our town.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever, and they will disagree. You can count on that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we've got strong personalities. That's what we want.
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  Speaker 3: They're smart people and they know how to do that.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely. Yeah, So tell us about your music selection. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we should at least play a start off with a
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  Speaker 1: song that reflects your current mood.
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  Speaker 3: Oh let's see. Well here, let's start with this one
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  Speaker 3: by Chicano Batman.
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  Speaker 1: Kano Batman. What's it called?
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  Speaker 3: You'll recognize the song, but Chicano Batman does it upright.
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  Speaker 3: It's called this Land.
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  Speaker 4: It's your land.
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  Speaker 5: I found love me but called the valley. The fland
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  Speaker 5: was made for your need.
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  Speaker 6: This land is your land.
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  Speaker 7: This land is my land.
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  Speaker 5: From California to the New York Gland on the way
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  Speaker 5: so reads to the cause you water.
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  Speaker 7: This land was made for you.
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  Speaker 4: And I brought the spell mold, and I bowed my
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  Speaker 4: bloods to the sparkling censer, the tanned desert roll me
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  Speaker 4: of sounds, the.
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  Speaker 5: Sun was made for me.
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  Speaker 6: Well you, assistant Man, for causing.
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  Speaker 5: Leave, Assistant gainst.
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  Speaker 4: Lsmaniday, Many Sland is your land.
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  Speaker 1: This Sland is my land, Camelson.
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  Speaker 5: Listen to the New York skyst.
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  Speaker 4: Rests to the country floors, a las Monday, many.
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  Speaker 1: Me and thank you for that. Barbara. What was that
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  Speaker 1: song again?
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  Speaker 3: This land is Your land?
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  Speaker 8: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Huh okay, still for another minute? Another minute? So how
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  Speaker 1: are you guys feeling? And then don't don't, don't hold back.
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  Speaker 1: You know, what's what's the current mood?
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  Speaker 2: Frustration? I think I'm feeling frustrated. I think I'm wondering
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  Speaker 2: what uh, free and fair elections mean when we don't
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  Speaker 2: have an informed public who was operating from the same playbook.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, I voted for democracy and we got democracy.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the people spoke, and I respect their opinion
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  Speaker 2: and I'm glad to I'm glad to stand behind this
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  Speaker 2: democratic system that we had, for all its flaws. But
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that we're all as informed as we
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  Speaker 2: need to be making anyway, We'll see what happens.
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  Speaker 1: I guess we'll see what happens. Do you feel like
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  Speaker 1: the job is just beginning again instead of us laying
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  Speaker 1: down and accepting this that we need to actually prepare
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  Speaker 1: for twenty twenty six and oh yeah yeah starting today? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: starting today?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: What about? I just want to throw this out there.
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  Speaker 1: I know Barbara knows how I feel about this. But
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  Speaker 1: does the DNC bear some responsibility for this lack of
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  Speaker 1: communication or good communication? Do you think.
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  Speaker 2: I assume everybody bears some responsibility for for all of it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we're all I suppose. I wish Joe Biden
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  Speaker 2: had stepped down sooner so that we could have had
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  Speaker 2: a primary. Yeah, and indeed could have voiced their opinion, their.
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  Speaker 1: Democratic right to elect the official that would represent the party.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, so that was you know, didn't go
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  Speaker 2: the way I wanted.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, I read did you happen to see
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  Speaker 3: George Skelton's piece in the La Times today?
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  Speaker 4: He went way back.
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  Speaker 3: He blamed, Yeah, he blamed everybody. He blamed Barack Obama
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  Speaker 3: for not choosing Biden when he was more fit for
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  Speaker 3: office backing Hillary. Who else did he blame? He blamed
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  Speaker 3: pretty you know, he's like laid it on thick because
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  Speaker 3: he could. And he's George Skelton.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's in the winning lane now he can
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  Speaker 1: say what he wants.
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  Speaker 3: But of course Biden for you know, not being the
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  Speaker 3: transitional president that he.
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  Speaker 1: That he said he was going to be. But hubris
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  Speaker 1: is a thing when you get to be that old
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  Speaker 1: and you think that you're that you alone can fix it,
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  Speaker 1: you know, right, I you know, I look at the
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  Speaker 1: party and say, and it's not so easy to get
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  Speaker 1: him to step down. He has to agree to do it.
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  Speaker 1: But I also posit that this was a repeat of
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  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen in so far as it wasn't a nomination
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  Speaker 1: as much as a coronation. And you know, I was
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  Speaker 1: a very solid Bernie Sanders supporter because oh really.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know that about you. Oh yes, really did
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  Speaker 3: know that about it. Okay, yeah, well to.
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  Speaker 1: Me as recently as two days ago, okay, well about
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  Speaker 1: I still believe that the DNC in its Ivory tower
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  Speaker 1: missed what was going on on college campuses because I'd
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  Speaker 1: never seen that level of enthusiasm and passion for an old,
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  Speaker 1: krusty New York Jew living in Vermont who somehow took
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  Speaker 1: the sting out of the word socialism and made it acceptable.
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  Speaker 1: It was phenomenal.
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  Speaker 3: Arkansas would have really gone for that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know a lot of young people Swings Day
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  Speaker 1: voters now Republicans. Young Republicans were also backing Bernie because
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  Speaker 1: the message was by the was was you know, it
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  Speaker 1: was bipartisan, it was income inequality. He said it over
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  Speaker 1: and over again that the system was broken. Anyway, I
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  Speaker 1: posit that had he had a fair shot at it,
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  Speaker 1: we never would have had a Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 3: So there, I think a lot of there are a
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  Speaker 3: lot of variables that are unforeseen.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, definitely no hindsight's twenty twenty. I also say that
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  Speaker 1: if Joe Biden had invited Elon Musk to the Electronic
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  Speaker 1: Electric Car Summit in Washington, d C. We also wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have Donald Trump today. But who knows my biggest problem.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I had one hundred and one reasons why
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want Trump to win, but number one is
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want Elon Musk to think he could buy
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  Speaker 1: an election, and he has shown us that he can.
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  Speaker 3: He did, he did.
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  Speaker 1: He is our supreme leader right now, and we don't
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  Speaker 1: know if we're going to get the benevolent, you know,
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  Speaker 1: life saving elinor are we going to get the child,
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  Speaker 1: the manchild, vindictive, petty, ketamine driven Elon. Right, So on
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  Speaker 1: that note, though, I get how you guys are feeling.
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  Speaker 1: We're all kind of little spun And I mentioned earlier
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  Speaker 1: that this is where I think we focus our attention
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  Speaker 1: on community radio in Laguna where we live and we
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  Speaker 1: honor all these incredible voices that are gracing our airwaves
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  Speaker 1: for free, that know devote their time. Not only do
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  Speaker 1: we have an array of incredible talent and interests, you know,
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  Speaker 1: across the divide of sports, culture, art, environment. We even
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  Speaker 1: have shows on aging in place for our elder community
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  Speaker 1: and this can be the unifying force that anchors us
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  Speaker 1: in the good. And with that, I just want to say,
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  Speaker 1: people call in, give us some money, because we want
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  Speaker 1: to move the station. We want to sustain the station.
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  Speaker 1: This is the funky thing about nonprofit as you're always fundraising.
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  Speaker 1: And now I went around the country looking at others
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  Speaker 1: small nonprofit community Radioston to figure out what they do right,
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  Speaker 1: and the common thread is they have the community involved,
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  Speaker 1: and they have the community believing that it's their radio
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  Speaker 1: station and they're proud to have it. They're tickled to
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  Speaker 1: have it because it's cool. It's an old school media,
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  Speaker 1: but it's the only media today that's truly that can
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  Speaker 1: deliver such a vast amount of content locally. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the internet's eviscerated local newspapers. We do have our Independent,
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  Speaker 1: but they come out once a week with a few
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  Speaker 1: pages of editorial. We have twenty four hours of content
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  Speaker 1: a day, regenerating. So that's why I want you guys
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  Speaker 1: on the radio, because you have strong voices. Oh, somebody's
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  Speaker 1: calling in. Let's see if we can get them on
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  Speaker 1: the air.
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  Speaker 7: Here.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, you're on the air. Who's this? Hello?
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  Speaker 7: Hello?
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  Speaker 1: Are you there?
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  Speaker 3: Call back?
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  Speaker 1: They want to talk to call back, call back, call Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I worked for a community radio station for years and years,
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  Speaker 2: and it was very heartening to see this grassroots sort
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  Speaker 2: of effort amongst that that was a college radio station,
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  Speaker 2: but the community really supported it.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, I think you were on the No, they dropped.
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  Speaker 1: I blew it. I didn't have it on. Actually, you guys,
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  Speaker 1: do you have headphones, because you might want to put
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  Speaker 1: them on. I think it might be the only way
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  Speaker 1: to hear the caller.
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  Speaker 3: We're on a shoe string over here, there's one pair.
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  Speaker 1: Of Yeah, we need people to call in, so we
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  Speaker 1: can afford one headphone wherever you are, and I'll put
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  Speaker 1: it on by that. Let me see if I can
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  Speaker 1: get them on the air.
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  Speaker 9: Hello, Billy, can you hear me?
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  Speaker 1: I sure can. Who is this?
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  Speaker 9: This is Joan Gladstone, John.
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  Speaker 1: Gladstone and that's Barber laughing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Joe.
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  Speaker 9: Of course they always laugh at me.
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  Speaker 2: These were laughing.
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  Speaker 7: I hear your voice.
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  Speaker 9: I just want to say, as everybody knows in town,
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  Speaker 9: these are two the most brilliant women that we have
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  Speaker 9: in our city.
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  Speaker 1: You're here, thanks and they're committees.
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  Speaker 7: Just support them and you and thank you Johan.
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  Speaker 1: And you know when we get knocked down, these two
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  Speaker 1: ladies they get right back up, brush themselves off, and
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  Speaker 1: they keep fighting.
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  Speaker 9: For the good they do. They bring us up right, Yep,
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  Speaker 9: they sure do.
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  Speaker 1: It's what's good about our community. We have voices, independent voices,
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  Speaker 1: and we honor them all.
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  Speaker 2: My first that's what she said.
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  Speaker 3: Joke there you go, yay dollar for me and that's Marie.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they bring you up well, John, that's my value.
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  Speaker 1: Add thank you for calling in.
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  Speaker 9: You are most welcome. It's my pleasure. Yeah, you're that
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  Speaker 9: you're you're going to be moving your offices.
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  Speaker 1: That is the hope. We got approval from the city
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  Speaker 1: and we have a downtown location right on Oak and
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  Speaker 1: Glen area that's on the ground floor, so we will
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  Speaker 1: be participating with the community. They can come and watch
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  Speaker 1: radio being made and you know it's and we're going
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  Speaker 1: to make it a little community gathering place. As I
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  Speaker 1: was saying earlier, this is what I think we need
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  Speaker 1: more than ever right now is places to meet, hang
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  Speaker 1: out and share what's good about our town.
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  Speaker 9: Fantastic. Yeah, well, best wish his ladies on a on
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  Speaker 9: your great show. You want to tune in and right.
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  Speaker 1: Back at you, Joan, Can we ask are you are
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  Speaker 1: you going to make a tax deductible donation today to
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  Speaker 1: the station?
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  Speaker 3: Time I did.
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  Speaker 9: Online? Yes, you are the best?
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  Speaker 1: Did we want to make sure that Barbara and Marie
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  Speaker 1: get credit for that so they can be in the
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  Speaker 1: running for the Silver Tongue Award They're going.
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  Speaker 3: To have to in your show?
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  Speaker 9: Is that the right way to do it?
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  Speaker 1: That certainly is.
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  Speaker 9: That's how thanks I did.
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  Speaker 1: So, You're so welcome, Thanks for calling in, Thanks for
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  Speaker 1: supporting Getting Sleep.
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  Speaker 9: You're welcome, all right, I hope, I hope they are.
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  Speaker 1: Are you guys getting Love to Sleep? And yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: Barbara was running the campaign of Hallie Jones, so she
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  Speaker 1: was working double d I know, I know she did,
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  Speaker 1: but she's got a big w in that column.
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  Speaker 9: That's absolutely right. Yeah, well, I won't keep you from
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  Speaker 9: the other callers. Just wanted to wish you all well.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much, thanks for calling in ye bye bye,
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  Speaker 1: sure bye? How about that?
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  Speaker 3: How about that? You know she's such a great artist too,
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  Speaker 3: I know, you know, like kind of her second act
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  Speaker 3: in life was teaching herself how to paint. Really and
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  Speaker 3: now and she's also now a docent at Laguna Art Museum.
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  Speaker 1: Oh cool.
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  Speaker 3: I think she'd be a terrific docent. She really interacts
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  Speaker 3: well with people and especially little kids. Yeah, I've seen
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  Speaker 3: her in action. She's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: That's a gift.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks to go back to Barbara working double duty. As
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  Speaker 2: my second joke.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of double duty, Marie, not only are you a writer,
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  Speaker 1: but you're a podcast host of a national show, not
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  Speaker 1: a local show, right international?
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, really, I don't know who else is Listen you
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  Speaker 3: never know?
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  Speaker 1: Now and tell us a little bit about that show.
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  Speaker 2: So we have been going twenty six years, I think
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  Speaker 2: to nineteen ninety seven. My partner started the show back
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety seven at KUCI at UCI And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so it's called Writers on Writing. We interview authors and
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  Speaker 2: agents and publishers about the business of writing. We sort
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  Speaker 2: of build it as a free MFA program, you know,
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  Speaker 2: with top authors.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, you really do when you say
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  Speaker 1: top authors, you're not kidding. Give us an example of
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  Speaker 1: some of the authors you've interviewed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we have Pulitzer Prize winners, we have Booker
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  Speaker 2: Prize winners, National Book Award winners, and then we do
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  Speaker 2: some debut authors. But you know, like George Saunders and
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  Speaker 2: Alice McDermott and Tim O'Brien and you know, certainly names
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  Speaker 2: that if you walked into your Barnes and Noble you
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  Speaker 2: would have seen all these guys on the front shelf.
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  Speaker 2: And then some people that are you know, just doing
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  Speaker 2: their first debut novel. We don't do any self published authors.
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  Speaker 2: We only do you know, people that you would find
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  Speaker 2: in Barnes and Noble.
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  Speaker 1: But interesting you say that because of the consolidation of
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  Speaker 1: public publishing houses. I mean, what is going on there?
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  Speaker 1: Isn't there a merger that's still being scrutinized.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and don't don't quote me on how many of
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  Speaker 2: these are in play right now, but I know, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Random House Penguin are really Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: There isn't that from a writer's perspective, bad for the industry.
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  Speaker 2: I think from everybody's perspective it's bad. YEA from the
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  Speaker 2: book perspective.
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  Speaker 1: It's bad. Yeah, lack of competition means that the writers
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  Speaker 1: have less of a chance to reap the best financial
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  Speaker 1: reward they.
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  Speaker 2: Can, right right, No, it's uh, you know, it's going
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  Speaker 2: the way of all big corporations that there's you know,
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  Speaker 2: competition for money and the big guys are winning.
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  Speaker 1: And has mighty find your podcast are all the major parts?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, writers on writing dot.
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  Speaker 1: Com, Writers on writing dot com, find us there, and
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  Speaker 1: also on the platforms.
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  Speaker 2: Spotify, all your podcast platforms.
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  Speaker 1: And what keeps it stimulating for you after all these years?
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  Speaker 1: You haven't burned out on it?
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  Speaker 6: You know?
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  Speaker 2: Writers are like movie stars to me. So if I
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  Speaker 2: can call up a movie star and they are going
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  Speaker 2: to agree to talk to me for an hour on
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  Speaker 2: the air, Yeah, and we just have these very intimate,
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  Speaker 2: cool conversations, it must mean it's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: I would imagine it's it's interesting for them too, because
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  Speaker 1: most of them are probably introverts and it's not their
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  Speaker 1: natural medium to be.
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  Speaker 2: Walking, right, And I think it's I think it's fun
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  Speaker 2: for them because they don't often get to talk about
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  Speaker 2: the craft of writing. They're usually hawking their book or
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  Speaker 2: they're you know, going on a Terry Gross or a
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  Speaker 2: you know bookworm show like that, And the bent of
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: our show is just a little bit different, So we're
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: really covering the craft of writing.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Rather than the yeah, the creative process, the creative process.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: So it never gets old. Every conversation surprises.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Me, which is what's her name, Elizabeth Big Magic?
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes, yes, Elizabeth. Oh my god, I threw out
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: of my head.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Gilbert gil She did that book, Big Magic, which was
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: all about where does where do creative ideas come from?
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: And her literary hero was Ann pat and she tells
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: this story about meeting her for the first time at
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: a writer's conference and they hugged, and then they went
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: off in their separate journeys and ended up writing this
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: very esoteric story that nobody could have cooked up, let
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: alone two people when they circled back. What are you
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: working on? I'm working on this book about this woman
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: who in the nineteenth century goes to Brazil and marry somebody.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: And she goes, that's my book. And she believes that
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: that moment that they hugged, there was an exchange of energy,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: of energy of the and she's a big proponent of
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: and you have an idea, it's not coming from you.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: It's somewhere in the ether and you grab it and
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: you harness it.
• 19:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Fascinating, Yeah, yeah, yeah, both of them guests on the show.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: What do you oh? Cool? What do you guys think
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: of our show? On writing? Have you listened to? Everyone
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: has a story? John Tynan, I love John.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: John is first of all, he's hilarious and he does
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: a great job of moderating all of those Third Street events. Yeah,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: he is. He's a great interviewer.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: We were really fortunate to lend him after you turned
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: us down. He's awesome because he's so cool and he
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: really is natural at this I find and I don't
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: know if you know this is kind of big news,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: but we're applying for a grant from the National Endowment
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: of Arts that he's helping shepherd. It's you know, it's
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: a long shot, but we have to submit an idea
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: and we want to do a long form podcast on
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: what's in the water in Laguna that makes it such
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: a creative vortex, from the beginning of the homesteaders, to
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: the artists, to the actors, all the way up to
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: the surf industry. So we think we have the talent
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: here with Greg McGillivray and some of the elders that
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: are still around to tell this story. So maybe you'll
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: help it in some way. Yeah, we just got Lojo's
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Lojo to tell us she'd love to participate in something
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: like this, and she's got a lot of archival foot
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: isn't natural.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a great, great course.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she's another one. At the end of her
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: show this morning, we asked her to get up in
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: front of the camera and say a few words about
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: the importance of community radio. She goes, I don't know
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: how to do this. She's an amazing writer, but you know,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: but being on her feedex tamporaneously not her thing. But
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: she did fine, I'll bet she did. Yeah, and Barbara
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: will now now that you now that you have a
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: W in in the political realm, what's next for you?
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: What do you?
• 21:36
  Speaker 10: I know?
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: You my third W. Thank you third W. And you
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: have you have a PR firm?
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: Is that what? Yeah?
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I work from home and I do PR
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: and marketing and writing.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: What are you writing?
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: Uh?
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Actually, I just tried my hand in Marie and Rina
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Palumbo's class that was given at the Suzi qu called
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: flash fiction. What a riot. I never did before. I
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: didn't know you could just make stuff up. You can
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: just make things up out of your head, and anybody
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: fantastically could. It's fantastically Nobody knows if it's real, if
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: you really experience that, or if you dreamed it, or
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: if it happened to somebody you know, or you just
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: like made it up.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: So what you do it right on the spot.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: I've never done fiction before. I always you know, I've
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: written for the indie you know, kind of your stories
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: about people. But yeah, that's I think that might be
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: the new direction. Now that I don't have campaign duties,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: I've got a little more time on my hands.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: And did I hear something that you guys were getting
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: into the death duel of business or something?
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: I am you know, Marie might be a might be
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: a client. I mean someday I'll die, Yes, yes, so
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: hopefully I'll be her client.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: But are you really learning the craft of comforting people
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: at Death's Store?
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: And yes, yes, there's a lot to it. There's a
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: lot of different directions you can go. You support the
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: family and you support the dying person, sometimes more one
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: than the other. And I've just kind of start with
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: this I'm just I just have a couple of clients
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: right now.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Is Andrea dear Heart a part of this, uh No,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: but she.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Is part of something I put together because so many
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: people are so interested in this right now, including Ricky
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Redman who's at the suzi Q and is also a
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: death doula who learned under doctor dear Heart. I put
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: together all these people that are interested in the in
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: the positive, the death positive movement as it's called. I
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: didn't know that, and we're you know, it's the the
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: OC Death Workers Alliance.
• 23:31
  Speaker 10: Wow.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: So you know, there's always more to learn. There's always
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: new even technologies coming out. I don't want to go
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: way down the death space.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: But the thing is it's always been a taboo subject.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: It's something that nobody wants to address. And when you
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: find somebody like doctor Dearhart, who has a show here
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: once a month called Death Demystified. She's a light worker
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: and the idea that she can provide comfort. You know,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: you have hospice. They come in and provide the physical
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: side of dyeing, but nobody's coming in with the spiritual
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: emotional support, right and.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Even like things like reminding people that you know where's
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: the pink slip to your car because nobody knows where
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: that is. You're the only one that knows it. Or
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: you know, what's the past code, what's the you know,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: what's your what's your password for your Facebook account? So
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: you know, can you you know, you can memorial You
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: can do this today and I would advise everybody to
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: do this right now if you're on Facebook or other
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: social media platforms, is to pick somebody to memorialize your
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: account so that it doesn't pop up after, you know,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: five years after your dead, which has happened to me
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: in the past week. Oh it's so and so's birthday today.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: It's like, oh no, it's not.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: So you're giving them access to your accounts so they
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: can modify.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: It, and they can modify it and say, oh today
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: we remember.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, so and so. Those are the things
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: you just don't think about. Yeah, but like important, you can.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: You live on in the ether, but not always in
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: the best way unless you take care of these things
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: in advance.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Did you guys know Lisa Marx any chance?
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: I knew her a little bit, Yeah, through impact giving.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: She was a remarkable person and she got some sort
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: of brain cancer and perished very quickly. And in the
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: last month we were able to go visit her, but
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: she had no function. She was what do they call
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: it a fasic? I think she couldn't talk, and you
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: didn't know if she was hearing you. But after she passed,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: they kept her body in her bed refer in some
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: way cooled for three or so days, so people they
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: invited her friends and family to come and be with her.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: And I thought, yeah, the home funeral movement is it's
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: going to take off.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: It should And then I went back and why don't
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: we do this?
• 25:37
  Speaker 8: Oh?
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: It was the uh, the industry of you know, what
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: are they when they preserve the body embombing. It was
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: a movement by embombers to convince the public that as
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: soon as somebody dies, you know, they're in the hospital
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: with clean and then they're gone and you never and
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: you never see them again. Yeah, and I thought this
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: was such a human And of course other cultures do this,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: not truly, So we have a lot to learn.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: We do have a lot to learn.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we do.
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: Client.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Well, I see you're looking at your uh at your Spotify.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: List seeing I'm seeing if I have any songs about death?
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: I'd be surprised if I don't.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Let's see Death of Democracy. Is that a song?
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Well, I uh yeah, Let's do courage because that's what
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: we need right now. And this is actually by a
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: band from Canada called the Tragically Hip. And this song
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: holds up really really well. It's a wonderful song. And
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: there it is.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: All right. We're putting it up here. KXFM call in
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• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Watch the band.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Munch follow it, no.
• 27:01
  Speaker 11: Bot the mail here, Queen Lake, something from Madre.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: Turning my word, make the Blader.
• 27:23
  Speaker 11: Sleep walk, soup fast asleep, motail, the Castle, lad ball.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: In the PS song.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: Un of the Bad Rap.
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: And p song.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: All it's a ram dag turd my word, don make
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: up the.
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: Bader courage, your word.
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: The lad.
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: Courage my.
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: Don't get to the man.
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: Courage.
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: It couldn't come over.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: Time, sample.
• 28:27
  Speaker 11: Explanation or anything important.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: Any of us do.
• 28:38
  Speaker 8: Have a human man.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Tragedy consis n sasty.
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: Of living with.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: The consequence and the press.
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: And the press.
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: Tembile become It is mad.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: Tver yubble. Income is mad.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: Tevern MyBO become it doesn't Mad Covet Good Connaas Stand
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  Speaker 5: the Conna Ways Standing, Connados.
• 29:47
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• 30:53
  Speaker 2: We're so lonely, call us call.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Us us seven one five, nine three six. Don't be afraid,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: We're we won't bite. We were just talking about the
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Coast Film Festival, Coast Film and Music Festival. We also
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: have art and nature going on right now.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Today's the last day. Unfortunately it's the last day right
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: about now.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, is there have you? Did you go down and
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: see it at the beach?
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: I did.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: I saw some of the installations along Heisler Park.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Is it only they don't light it up at night?
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Well, it requires dozens to be there, so nobody messes
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: around with it.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, So you know it was.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Volunteer heavy, a volunteer heavy event from what I can surmise.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: And the Saturday was the main day. They had a
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: dance exhibition.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Got it at Main Beach. So it's just one weekend.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lot to mount. It is a lot
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: of activity.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I mean I've been to the you know a few
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: times in the past where I thought it was so
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: good that they needed to extend it at least through
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: the following weekend, because when the word gets out, it's
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: already too late. Shame.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: But I know, you know, they do their best. As
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: a mark a tear myself. I know, you work and
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: work and work, and then people are like, oh I
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: didn't hear about that.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: It's like, I know, it's so true. Well, turning to
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: local stuff, what do you guys, what do you guys
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: so specially appreciate about living in Laguna?
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Oh man, where do you start?
• 32:18
  Speaker 11: Well?
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: People, the people. I mean I've always said, like you know,
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: as you said, it's like such a hotbed of people
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: who are well read, well traveled, well educated, and you know,
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: fun interesting.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: It's really the people, isn't it.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Even That's what makes a radio station like this work,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: because I think if you did this radio station like
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: and I mean I shouldn't pick on, you know, but
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: random like Garden Grove or something, you're not going to
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: get this. Okay, it's Garden Grove is awesome. But also
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying this particular community, you're right, is just
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: this distilled concentration of really interesting people who I think
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: like living in Laguna is is like a verb more
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: than a place to live. You know, you really have
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: to actively want it. And it's not for place people
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: who are just going to sit by and you know,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: watch life go by. It's it's a really get involved place.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: And what about the problem that it's getting older and
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: more affluent and harder for young people to live here.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: How is that affecting things?
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: Well?
• 33:23
  Speaker 8: It is.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how you solve that problem.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Barber's working on that very hard.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I know, what are you doing?
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Oh well, I wish I could solve it. I wish
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: I had.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: And your kids here.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm on the Housing and Human Services Committee. I'm
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: an appointee in my third year doing that and it's
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: been a real education. I would you know anybody who
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: is sitting back and complaining, And there are just a
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: few of.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Those about about affordable housing.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: No, not about about the way, you know, the way
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: the city is run or whatever. My point is, if
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: you get under the hood of any particular thing you
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: might be slightly interested in and you start to learn
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: about it, everything is very complicated. Everything is very driven
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: by a lot of different factors that most people don't
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: have any idea how it works. And this has been
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: a you know, it's been a real education for me,
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: a real eye opener to see how housing might work
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: and how people might support or not support affordable housing projects.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: And there's you know there, as you know, there is
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: one on the table.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to ask you how you felt
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Neighborhood Congregational Church has been I mean, imagine
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: getting a congregation all moving in the same direction to
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: take their church down and to replace it out of
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: an altruistic desire to provide housing for people and to
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: keep their spiritual center, going to downsize their physical property
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: for themselves and make it into housing for other people.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: All of those people in that congregation said yeah, yeah,
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: let's let's do this because it's the right thing to do.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: And they're you know, facing, as you say, some headwinds.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: But I think ultimately it's one of those things that
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: you know, lagun is very good at, is absolutely losing
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: their minds over something and a few years later they
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: can't imagine it not being there.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Imagine that like the promenade. But you stated that very eloquently,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: and I wonder if you, if you wrote that in
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: a column, because of course, the neighborhood reacts in a
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: way that you would expect, which is it's too big,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: it's too much intensification, it's going to create traffic problems,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: and this, that and the other, and the usual nimbi
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: and you know, but I think you know, what you
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: just articulated about how phenomenal it is for congregation to
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: agree to downsize and to do something altruistic is really notable.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: I'll say, yeah. And I think, you know, once people
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: really look at it and look at it from a
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: variety of viewpoints and see all the facets that it
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: could present to us as a community, I think it
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: will be good.
• 36:18
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: The thing the problem is people don't like change here
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: to close a block of Forest Avenue, as you know,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: because you were one of the early proponents of the
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Forest Avenue promenade.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: And we're still not done at the finish line.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Nope, you know, you know we'll get there. It just
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: takes a long time to get there. And you know,
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: we we can do this. We can do hard things.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: And one of the hard things we need to do
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: is to somehow come up with, you know, to plan
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: for by twenty twenty nine, which is nipping at our
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: heels now three hundred and ninety six additional housing units. Yes,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: the HCD is breathing down our.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Necks and god, I can't wait for twenty twenty nine.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Fun And that's that is uh? That and that year
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: is significant because it's the end of the housing element.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: The housing element is an eight year cycle that the
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: state looks at its housing needs and has It's always
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: been kind of a not It didn't have any teeth
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: in it before. And this is the first year that
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: the state that Sacramento has said absolutely everybody in the
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: state has to.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Increase their their and what's the penalty if you don't
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: meet it? What happens?
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: We could lose grant funding there, you know, we could
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: get sued. There's a number of daggers hanging over our heads.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Uh that would you know be the impetus to get
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: us got it moving?
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: And is there in your mind should we stick with
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: the planned amount of residences or should we in order
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: to assuage the neighborhood, you know, cut it back a
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: little bit. What's the best strategy to get this done?
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: There was a presentation in the Multipurpose room at the
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: elementary school about five weeks ago, and they Bill Whittie,
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: who's the developer with Related California, he talked about that
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: and they did reduce it. It's being submitted this month.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: I think it was reduced by something like twenty four percent. So,
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: you know, at some point there has to be a
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: happy medium, and I think, you know, he needs to know.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: My personal opinion is he needs to stick to his guns.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: And do you know you at some point you can't
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: build a building and have it pencil out unless you
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: have a certain number.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Of units, right, And most savvy developers know that. They
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: go in asking for the impossible and know that they
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: can settle on something that so they feel like it
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: looks like they've compromised, but they're still getting what they
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: hope to get. I don't know if that's true in
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: this case. As you said, there has to be certain
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: economics to make it pencil.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Well, there's some wonkiness involved there. There was a point
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: at which they were going to be getting a certain
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: uh they were going to they were eligible for grant
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: funding for a certain type of housing, and then they
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: took that away and it made it more doable from
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: you know, they had less money to work with. But
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: it probably, as you say, assuaged the naysayers. So I
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: think it'll be fine. I think a lot of people
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: who are worried about it will eventually find out that, hey,
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: it's nice to have, you know, your nanny living across
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: the street or the apartment.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Or or you're a police officer or fireman.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Police officers probably do pretty well, and they probably wouldn't qualify,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: but that's a nice thought.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, we need our service people living there.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: Are you know those volunteers that you know direct the traffic,
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: they're volunteers. Those people, yes, and young people and artists
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: and elderly people who you know are being priced out
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: of Laguna. We all know somebody who had to move
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: out of town because they couldn't find an apartment.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: And quickly, what about Saint Catherine's what's the best use
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: in your mind, if you if you you could craft
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: and curate the whole thing.
• 40:03
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of debate, you know you yeah, no, I.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Think I think that's a nice creative space. I heard
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: George Dubin actually come up with a nice argument of
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: artists workspace. You know, I don't think there's a lot
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: of places where you can have a kiln anymore or
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: have I mean, I don't know how we feel about
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: having you know, firing fire, but well the fire department
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: can be based there, so there are farmsrue, that's true. Yeah,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: but having you know, some of those spaces I think
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: would serve well for that dance space. Bob Oylan had
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: a long list of ideas at the were going to
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: be Charts Alliance meeting.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: And this is a problem, you know, for artists. People
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: forget that not only did they need a dwelling, but
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: they need a studio to work in. And you know,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: the artists live work that was out in the canyon
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: that was somewhat controversial. We all know it didn't really
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: turn into an affordable artists live work. I have something
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: to say about that, but please go ahead.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: Oh well, you know, the the myth is that that
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: was paid for by somehow by public dollars, not a
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: single public dollar. When no, but they did make to
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: make the medicine go down a little better. The developers
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: did agree to have I believe it. I believe it
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: hasn't twenty eight or twenty nine units, and nine of
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: those are affordable, and they're always they're always full because
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: of course there's all CAAD students that live there. There's
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: one gentleman who's an artist who was living in his
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: van for a couple of years and he lives there now, right,
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: And you do have to submit your portfolio. Portfolio. You
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: have to be, you know, an actual artist of some sort.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: They've expanded that that definition, but you know, it's it's
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: a cool project, but it's not it's not a public
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: you know. People need to get that out of their heads, right,
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: you know, oh that that didn't work out because that's
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: not what that ever was.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: And the original developer, Lewis Launei, who bought the property
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: twenty years ago, but was not a quote unquote developer.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: He was a sculptor who had a dream, you know,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: he had. He spent more than a decade fighting for
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: this with the opposition and being every time he got
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: a win with the Coastal Commission, it was appealed and
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: he ran out of money and he had to bring
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: in a real developer who you know, basically is going
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: to make money on this thing. He's not going to
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: do anything for charity. So it's just a reality it's
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: we live in a capitalist society.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it is a very cool space. Lewis Landji
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: gave me a tour. Yeah, it's it's incredible.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: It's really cool.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: It's very beautiful.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: But it would not work for an artist of the
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: stature of a George Dubin because he needs his own
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: space for you know, the guy works in ceramics, in oils, acrylics,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: giant installations. He's a welder. I mean, you know, these
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: guys need their own dedicated workshop, and and.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: So many of those are going away. I mean, not
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: only his development I know is going away, but that
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: guy owns another.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: He passed away, so his family is.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: But y'all know Cad bought Andrew Meyers that whole space.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: That's right. Taking that back, Yeah, Elcat seems to have
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: some funding and you know, reimagining that quarter, especially if
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: we're able to underground the power lines and create a
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: real pedestrian quarrider with a bike lane, would really do
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: something positive for as we call it, East lagoona liberation front.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: That's George's words, not all for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: do we have time for one more song that really
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: captures the spirit of the day.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: Let's see. How about a song by Pink.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Oh Pink, Yes you know. Michael Ray's partner is Pink's wardrobes.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: What's her name, British woman kim Bowen, kim Bowen. She
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: does all the wardrobe for Pink. So there you go.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: There's a local connection, as there usually is with laguna.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Is this playing through mine or three years? What's playing
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: right now? It's this Cool Country by Wilco.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Cool Country by Willcoe, cruel country. Yes, and you're listening
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: to KXFM Radio with Barbara McMurray and Maurice Stone. Soon
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: an internal.
• 44:02
  Speaker 7: Oh boy, right ample, I love my country.
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: Stood, bid and cruel, bember.
• 44:30
  Speaker 7: Ah.
• 44:30
  Speaker 10: You have do.
• 44:33
  Speaker 8: See the quiet, kill yourself every long s wild.
• 44:46
  Speaker 10: Let's see and the quiet. All you have to do,
• 45:13
  Speaker 10: scene in the choir, Set.
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: Yourself on five. Everyone in a love.
• 45:26
  Speaker 10: Scene in the choir.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: With me.
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: With me, I love my country.
• 45:43
  Speaker 10: Like a little child, red fla and blue.
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: I love my country student, been and cruel, read white.
• 46:12
  Speaker 9: All you have to do.
• 46:15
  Speaker 10: Is see and quiet.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: All you have to do, see and quiet.
• 46:29
  Speaker 9: All you have to do.
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: The same.
• 46:34
  Speaker 10: Quiet with me.
• 46:40
  Speaker 8: With me?
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: There we go, There we go. All right, Well we're
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: closing in on the hour. And if people want to
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: give to KXFM in honor of our two illustrious ladies today,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: you can go to Kxfmadio dot org and click on
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: the donate button and then there's a drop down on
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: the left, which we call our leader board, and you
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: go to Laguna Talks with Billy Freed and your girls
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: will get credit for this. So I know they're just
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: chomping at the bit to win the Silver Tongue Award.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: It's all they can talk about any partying words, Marie.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Anything you want to share with our community, the little
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: community that could. You want to shout out to your
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: husband Jeff, who were waiting to have a show on
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: the station.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just waiting for him to call in
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: with it.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: I forget his show. Just yeah, we want your money, Jeff, Jeff.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: No, I just you know, another plug for community radio
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: and a plug for everything you've done here. I mean,
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: it's such a an active courage. And as we're all
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: looking for these moments of resistance and strength and ways
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: we can use our voice, what better way to use
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: your voice than on the radio. And I really commend
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: you for doing this because you're giving You're giving literal
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: voice and amplification to a lot of the really cool
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: people in our community. There's so many people here who
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: are so talented, and you gave them, you know, a
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: way to share that with the rest of us.
• 48:27
  Speaker 9: Cool.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Gave is a nice word. I coerced, however, you everybody
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: said yes. About five people said no. But you know,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: I pushed because I really did think we had collectively
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: a great voice. And you know, we're resilient. Yeah, you
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: remember after twenty sixteen, the Women's March, we all came together.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: You remember when the Nazis came to town and we
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: we outnumbered them when it was unpleasant, a thousand to one,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: and we just show them that, you know, hate is
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: not welcome in our town.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: We'll probably have to do that again.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: So we'll get our we'll get our pink hats.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Out, yes, hat in your armor, and we're ready. We're
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: ready for it.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: You see, it's already happening in some cities. Yeah, yep.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: So we'll we'll wait for the call from you too,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: and then we'll be ready to be We will not
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: go quiet into that good night, Barbara, any any final
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: words before we on.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: I'm just really proud of you and of the community
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: for you know, stepping up with all these interesting, eclectic shows.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: I think it's fun. I hope people are listening and
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: paying attention because it's a it's a unique footprint that
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: you've got going. Thank you, so congratulations. When's the move,
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: by the way.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Well, as soon as the next week, we're going to
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: take an engineer over to the new location figure out
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: what it's going to take, because it's not a simple
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: thing to move all this equipment to a new location
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: and wire it. And I'm hoping soon after that, you know,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: realistically Q one. But the sooner we get out of
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: here the better because this rent is is really ridiculous.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: And also also it's a better location to involve the community.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: And we don't want to just be a broadcaster. What
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: we want to be a podcas castor as Marie knows,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: that's the platform that's everybody's accustomed to now and it's
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: still the hottest platform there is in media. So we
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: got to get all of our all of our somebody's
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: calling hang on, we put them on, Really, Jeff, is
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: it Jeff?
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: It could be better be hang.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: On afford to move if Jeff doesn't call in.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: We're not Hello, You're on the air.
• 50:23
  Speaker 9: What did I win?
• 50:24
  Speaker 7: Oh?
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Who is this?
• 50:26
  Speaker 6: Hey, guys?
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: This is Anthony, Anthony Schlaba. You guys know anthwer No,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Hi Anthony.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we love him already, Yes, we love you Anthony.
• 50:37
  Speaker 9: Is that Carol are one of those female voices Carol?
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: No, we have Marie?
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, Kennedy Carol, I'm Carol with an E
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: and this is Carol without any yeah.
• 50:48
  Speaker 9: Oh okay, okay, So maybe I'm a little premature.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: I was calling in for the four o'clock segment with
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Carol and David Virgie.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, you just so so so let us down.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: I can't tell you. I'm just kidd come on. Punctuality
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: paced absolutely, no, no, no, But we do want you
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: to call back in about ten minutes if you were,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: We're going to wrap this show up. And we do
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: appreciate you. I know who you're calling for, Carolyn, She's
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: a force of nature.
• 51:14
  Speaker 9: That's right, all right, Okay, we want.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: To put you in the air then, so call back
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: in five ten minutes and we'll get you on the
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: air and thank you for calling.
• 51:21
  Speaker 9: Absolutely, have a good one.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: This is humiliating, really humiliating. This is worse than you.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Guys are hilarious. You don't need any more props. You're
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: you get it every day. Try it anyway. Thank you
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: again for coming on and uh supporting us on community radio.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Take I'm going to put another song on here and
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: we'll see you around the corner, all right.
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: Thanks,