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Murder In Moscow: Bryan Kohberger And The Doordash Driver Who Claims She Is A Witness · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. Now look,
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  Speaker 1: I know we've been focusing a lot on Diddy, but
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean the other stories we've been talking about
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  Speaker 1: have been discarded. Just means they're put on the back
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  Speaker 1: burner for a minute. However, one case that is never
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  Speaker 1: on the back burner, as far as I'm concerned, is
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  Speaker 1: the Brian Kohlberger trial. And now that we're going to
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  Speaker 1: be winding down with the Diddy trial, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: be diving directly into what's going on with Brian Koberger
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  Speaker 1: and the murders in Moscow. And while we've been focused
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  Speaker 1: on what's going on with Diddy, we've had a few
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  Speaker 1: developments up in Moscow. And one of those developments has
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  Speaker 1: to do with someone who is a DoorDash driver who
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  Speaker 1: recently was arrested and was caught on camera talking about
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  Speaker 1: how she's going to be a witness in the Brian
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  Speaker 1: Koberger trial. And considering the gag order that's draped over
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  Speaker 1: this trial, it's not very often that we hear somebody
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  Speaker 1: who's involved having anything to say about what's going on. So,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to dive into an article from CNN, and
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  Speaker 1: we're going to get caught up. Headline, potential witness in
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  Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger murder case appears to say she saw him
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  Speaker 1: at the scene, police video shows. And look, I know
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of people out there that want to
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  Speaker 1: try and, you know, create controversy here, try and create
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  Speaker 1: an issue like you saw with like Karen Reed. But
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  Speaker 1: that just doesn't exist when it comes to Brian Kohlberger.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm telling you right now, there is going to
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  Speaker 1: be people who try and make it out to be
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  Speaker 1: something that it's not. And those people have been doing
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  Speaker 1: it since the very beginning. And frankly, I really don't
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  Speaker 1: have patience for it. It's one thing to question the
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  Speaker 1: prosecution and what they're doing and making sure they're doing
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  Speaker 1: the right thing. It's a whole ass other thing to
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  Speaker 1: come up with all kinds of wild ass scenarios that
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  Speaker 1: don't even fit into the story that we're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: And make no mistake, there's going to be a circus-like
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  Speaker 1: atmosphere surrounding this whole ass trial. But the good news is,
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  Speaker 1: like usual, we're going to cut through all that noise
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to stay on target here on the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: This article was authored by Andy Rose, Veronica Miracle, and
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  Speaker 1: Jack Hanna. Amid a critical hearing in the Brian Kohlberger
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  Speaker 1: murder trial, an eight-month-old police video is drawing attention for
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  Speaker 1: a woman who said she will be a key witness
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  Speaker 1: in the case. I'm a DoorDash driver, the woman told
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  Speaker 1: a police officer after an unrelated traffic stop in Pullman,
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  Speaker 1: Washington last year, then appears to say, I saw Brian there.
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  Speaker 1: So what people are going to try and say is
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  Speaker 1: that this woman... Shouldn't give this testimony now because she's
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  Speaker 1: talking out of school, which is crazy. Remember the whole
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  Speaker 1: prior bad acts thing we were talking about and how
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  Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger's team was making a big deal out of it?
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  Speaker 1: Sam applies here. Her getting pulled over for a DUI
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  Speaker 1: has no effect on the fact that she says, at
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  Speaker 1: least in this interview, that she saw Brian Kohlberger at
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  Speaker 1: the murder scene. But of course, the grifters and the
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  Speaker 1: bullshitters They're going to make more of it than there
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  Speaker 1: is here, and they're going to try and make it
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  Speaker 1: out like her testimony shouldn't be admitted. But that's as
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  Speaker 1: far away from the truth or as far away from
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  Speaker 1: how it's going to go down as it could possibly be.
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  Speaker 1: If this woman saw Brian Koberger at the scene, you
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  Speaker 1: better believe we're going to hear her testimony saying that.
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  Speaker 1: And if Ann Taylor and Brian Koberger's team wants to
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  Speaker 1: bring up the fact that she got pulled over for
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  Speaker 1: drunk driving, well, they're going to have to explain that
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  Speaker 1: to the jury how it's relevant and why it matters.
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  Speaker 1: Kohlberger is accused of murdering University of Idaho students Madison Mogan,
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  Speaker 1: Kelly Gonsalves, Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin at an off-campus
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  Speaker 1: home in Moscow, Idaho in November 2022. Not guilty pleas
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  Speaker 1: have been entered on his behalf. Yeah, on his behalf,
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  Speaker 1: not by him though. Remember, he stood in silence. And
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  Speaker 1: the reason is he wanted to keep his options open.
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  Speaker 1: And in Idaho, you're allowed to do that. So Brian Kohlberger...
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  Speaker 1: and his team made the strategic move for him to
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  Speaker 1: remain silent, and for his lawyers to answer for him.
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  Speaker 1: And then of course the judge was the one who
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  Speaker 1: entered the plea. But all of that was by design.
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  Speaker 1: Judge Stephen Hippler on Wednesday heard a new request from
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  Speaker 1: defense attorneys to delay the trial because of a recent
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  Speaker 1: episode of NBC's Dateline, which they argue included information that
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  Speaker 1: must have come from unauthorized leaks. Hipler said that he
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  Speaker 1: will write a decision in short order about the defense's
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  Speaker 1: request to delay Kohlberger's trial, but advised it's likely you're
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  Speaker 1: going to trial on the date indicated. And hallelujah. Enough
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  Speaker 1: time has passed here, folks. Enough is enough. And Brian
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  Speaker 1: Kohlberger has been given every opportunity to build a defense.
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  Speaker 1: So I've said from the jump that I doubt that
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  Speaker 1: Judge Hipler is going to give them the delay that
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  Speaker 1: they're looking for, and I think that decision would track
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  Speaker 1: with everything else we've heard from Judge Hipler. Seems to
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  Speaker 1: me that the judge is really gung-ho on getting this
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  Speaker 1: thing started on the date that it's scheduled to start on,
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  Speaker 1: and to get things moving. At the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: I understand that Brian Koberger has rights, but so do
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  Speaker 1: the victims, their families, and the taxpayers of Idaho. The
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  Speaker 1: videotaped interview with an officer dated September 4, 2024, shows
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  Speaker 1: the 44-year-old woman being questioned after an arrest for allegedly
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  Speaker 1: driving under the influence of prescription medicine. Bodycam video was
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  Speaker 1: posted on a YouTube channel last year but only recently
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  Speaker 1: gained attention after her reference to the Moscow murders was noticed.
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  Speaker 1: The woman's name, which CNN is not publishing because she
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  Speaker 1: has not been named in court documents in the Kohlberger
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  Speaker 1: case and has not publicly identified herself, matches initials listed
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  Speaker 1: in court documents for a DoorDash driver who made a
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  Speaker 1: delivery to Kern Odell early on the morning of November 13th, 2022.
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  Speaker 1: And we've been through the DoorDash warrant here on the podcast,
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  Speaker 1: and there's no doubt that a DoorDash driver was there.
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  Speaker 1: Was it this woman? I have no idea. But according
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  Speaker 1: to all of the facts that we know that are public,
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  Speaker 1: it all lines up. So again, people are going to
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  Speaker 1: try and demeanor, there's no doubt about it. Those weirdos
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  Speaker 1: that support Brian Kohlberger, they're going to try and make
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  Speaker 1: hay of it. But it's going to be dead on arrival.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not going to matter, in the grand scheme
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  Speaker 1: of things, as far as the jury's concerned. Final witness
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  Speaker 1: lists have been sealed by the court, so it's not
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  Speaker 1: clear if she will be called to testify. But Steve Gonsalves,
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  Speaker 1: Kaylee Gonsalves' father, told the Idaho Statesman Monday that he
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  Speaker 1: was informed by a private investigator that the DoorDash driver
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  Speaker 1: was a female. Steve Gonsalves did not return CNN's request
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  Speaker 1: for comment on Wednesday. I don't blame him. Why get
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  Speaker 1: yourself involved in this nonsense? Just be quiet about it
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  Speaker 1: and let things play out at this point. Because make
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  Speaker 1: no mistake about it, folks. Before you know it, it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be go time. and all the time for
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  Speaker 1: talking and bullshitting, and all the time for all the
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  Speaker 1: rumors and nonsense, it's going to be over. And once
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  Speaker 1: we strip away all the fat, and once we get
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  Speaker 1: rid of all the nonsense, well, we all know that
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  Speaker 1: credibility becomes the currency inside of that courtroom. So that's
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  Speaker 1: where this is going to be decided. And looking at
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  Speaker 1: the evidence that we know of so far, it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be an uphill road for Brian Kohlberger. The woman,
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  Speaker 1: who said that she took a prescription painkiller, told an
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  Speaker 1: officer that her fragile emotional state was due to stress
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  Speaker 1: over her connection to the extremely high-profile case, as well
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  Speaker 1: as physical ailments and what she described as PTSD after
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  Speaker 1: the killing of her husband in Moscow in 2013. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I would say that that would be a bit of
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  Speaker 1: a traumatizing situation, your husband being killed. Never a good
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  Speaker 1: thing in the best of circumstances, right? So to have
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  Speaker 1: all of that going on already and then dealing with
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  Speaker 1: this on top of it. Look, man, drug addiction is tough.
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  Speaker 1: And I know people want to, you know, look down
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  Speaker 1: on people who are addicted to drugs, but it's a
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  Speaker 1: trap a lot of people could fall into. You go
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  Speaker 1: to the doctor, you have an injury, they prescribe you
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  Speaker 1: some painkillers. And before you know it, you got a Jones.
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  Speaker 1: And when you can't get them painkillers anymore from your doctor,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think your addiction says? Ah, you know what?
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  Speaker 1: We'll give it a rest. Of course not. So it
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  Speaker 1: becomes a thing. And it's a trap that a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people can fall into, and unfortunately a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people have fallen into. Now I have to testify in
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  Speaker 1: the big murder case too, because I'm a DoorDash driver,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, she said. When the officer asked her to
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  Speaker 1: clarify which case, the woman replied, the murder case with
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  Speaker 1: the college girls. The woman was released from custody and
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  Speaker 1: assigned a court date, court records obtained by the Idaho statesman,
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  Speaker 1: confirmed statements from the video that the woman had been
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  Speaker 1: pulled over for driving with expired tags. Pullman is about
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  Speaker 1: 10 miles from Moscow. How can you drive DoorDash with
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  Speaker 1: expired tags though? Isn't there like some kind of checks
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  Speaker 1: and balances for that? And that's a legitimate question. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. I've never driven DoorDash or anything like it,
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  Speaker 1: but I would think that you have to have functioning
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  Speaker 1: insurance and, you know, tags and shit, right? Then again,
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  Speaker 1: we are talking about Idaho. The defense objected last year
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  Speaker 1: to introducing DoorDash records into evidence at the trial. Prosecutors
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  Speaker 1: said in a response last year that the evidence regarding
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  Speaker 1: a delivery made to the scene of the crime on
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  Speaker 1: the morning of the murders was important because it provides
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  Speaker 1: a timeline of events before the homicides and corroborate state
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  Speaker 1: witness testimony. Well, there you go. Corroborate state witness testimony. Look,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to say that it's very likely that this
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  Speaker 1: DoorDash driver is going to give testimony at the trial.
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  Speaker 1: And on cross-examination, of course, and Taylor and company, they're
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  Speaker 1: going to look to you know, destroy her credibility, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to be able to bring
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  Speaker 1: up this DUI. And the reason is, it's not relevant.
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  Speaker 1: How's her having a DUI relevant to what happened at
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  Speaker 1: 1122 King Road? The driver's testimony may be critical because
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  Speaker 1: a court document from prosecutors says says Kernodle is believed
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  Speaker 1: to have been the only person awake in the house
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  Speaker 1: when the DoorDash order was delivered just before 4 a.m.,
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  Speaker 1: minutes before investigators believe the killings began. CNN reached out
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  Speaker 1: to email addresses associated with the woman for comment. There
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  Speaker 1: was no answer on her home phone Wednesday and her
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  Speaker 1: cell phone was disconnected. DoorDash did not respond to a
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  Speaker 1: request for comment from CNN on Wednesday and the local
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  Speaker 1: court clerk's office said and Whitman County, Washington, Prosecutor Dennis
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  Speaker 1: Tracy declined to share information on the outcome of the
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  Speaker 1: driver's DUI case. And a lot of times they won't
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  Speaker 1: share that information anyway, so I'm not shocked by that.
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  Speaker 1: During a brief proceeding on Wednesday, lead defense attorney Ann
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  Speaker 1: Taylor listed challenges and difficulties over the two and a
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  Speaker 1: half years of the case, telling the court, the record
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  Speaker 1: is replete with notice that we're not prepared to go
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  Speaker 1: to trial. Hey, look, you've had plenty of time. Enough
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  Speaker 1: is enough now. I mean, what are we going to
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  Speaker 1: wait forever? Another five years, six years? Oh, Brian's still
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  Speaker 1: not ready. Not only has he been provided with very
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  Speaker 1: competent counsel, he's had plenty of time to challenge all
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  Speaker 1: of these motions that have been put forward. And every
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  Speaker 1: single time, for the most part, they've been slapped down.
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  Speaker 1: So I think the record's complete for moving forward as
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  Speaker 1: far as your appeal goes, because let's be honest, that's
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  Speaker 1: what all of this is about. this is all about
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  Speaker 1: the appeal. So in my opinion, the record has been
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  Speaker 1: memorialized and it's time to get going. Venue issues, media coverage,
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  Speaker 1: and what she says is 68 terabytes of information to
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  Speaker 1: review are just some of the issues Taylor said her
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  Speaker 1: team has contended with while defending Kohlberger. Kohlberger's trial, which
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  Speaker 1: has gone through numerous delays due to disputes about evidence
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  Speaker 1: and witnesses, as well as the change of venue to
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  Speaker 1: the state capital of Boise, is currently scheduled to start
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  Speaker 1: on August 11th. Taylor specifically referenced the Dateline episode, saying
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't just a one-time deal back in May, it
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  Speaker 1: continues to be talked about. Oh, they're really latching on
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  Speaker 1: to that, huh? Oh, Brian Kohlberger can't get a fair trial. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: all these other high-profile cases have kicked off. Karen Regis
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  Speaker 1: had a trial. Donald Trump had a trial. You see
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  Speaker 1: where I'm going with this, right? This is nothing more
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  Speaker 1: than a delay tactic and enough is enough. Last month,
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  Speaker 1: Hitler ordered prosecutors and defense attorneys to preserve records after
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  Speaker 1: the apparent leak and said at the time that it
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  Speaker 1: was imperative to attempt to see that the source of
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  Speaker 1: such leaks is identified and held to account. And I
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  Speaker 1: agree with that. If you're leaking information, you need to
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  Speaker 1: be dealt with. And depending on who did the leaking,
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  Speaker 1: there might be other consequences for the prosecution if it
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  Speaker 1: came from their camp. And frankly, if there was a leak,
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  Speaker 1: whatever punishment, if punishment's coming, is justified. Manage your house better.
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  Speaker 1: Make sure nobody on your team is talking out of school.
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  Speaker 1: And if you can't do that, well, there's going to
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  Speaker 1: be consequences, especially in Idaho. We've already seen Lori Vallow
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  Speaker 1: get the death penalty taken off the table because of
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  Speaker 1: prosecutorial misconduct. So if there's some sort of issue here,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure it'll be addressed. In addition to what's going
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  Speaker 1: on with what happened with the Dateline episode, that's not all.
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  Speaker 1: There's a book set to be released just a few
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  Speaker 1: weeks from now to be followed by a docuseries on
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  Speaker 1: Amazon Prime about the murders, Taylor said. She argued that
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  Speaker 1: the jury pool will likely be tainted due to the
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  Speaker 1: media coverage. Enough with the tainted jury pool nonsense. Everybody
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  Speaker 1: knows what the case is. Everybody knows who Brian Kohlberger is.
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  Speaker 1: Present your evidence and let's get going. The prosecution argued
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  Speaker 1: that delaying the trial would put them at the whim
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  Speaker 1: of the media. We know there's going to be a
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  Speaker 1: lot of publicity, regardless of when the trial happens, said
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  Speaker 1: prosecutor Joshua Hurwit. The issue is whether the court, using
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  Speaker 1: the procedures it has established, or maybe even modifying them
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  Speaker 1: as the court wants to, can seat a panel of
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  Speaker 1: impartial jurors. And that is possible in this case, despite
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  Speaker 1: the challenges. In addition to the potential pushback of the
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  Speaker 1: trial start date, Hippler is set to consider a defense
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  Speaker 1: request to allow them to introduce evidence of an alternate
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  Speaker 1: perpetrator in the killings. The judge sealed the details of
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  Speaker 1: the defense request. And y'all, I'm telling you right now,
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  Speaker 1: if these YouTube lawyers show up to this case with
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  Speaker 1: their bullshit like they did with Karen Reid, it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be a whole problem for them because they're all
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  Speaker 1: going to get the smoke. I have zero tolerance for
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  Speaker 1: that kind of bullshit. And it's one of the main
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  Speaker 1: reasons I stopped covering Karen Reid. I mean, the circus
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  Speaker 1: was just too much. It's not about justice. It wasn't
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  Speaker 1: about any of that. It was about a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: people with main character syndrome thinking that they're the story.
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  Speaker 1: And while I think that the verdict was correct when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to Karen Reid, because as I've said from
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  Speaker 1: the very beginning, the investigation was shit. I certainly don't
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  Speaker 1: buy into the whole alternate perpetrator theory that these idiots
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  Speaker 1: in Canton were engaged in some grand conspiracy. Like they
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  Speaker 1: were the fucking Gambinos. It just doesn't track. Now, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what happened to John O'Keefe, but I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you this much. I highly doubt that he was killed
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  Speaker 1: inside that house. And if you want to prove it,
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  Speaker 1: then let's see some evidence. Now that Karen Reid's no
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  Speaker 1: longer on trial, you can't use the excuse of, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: the burden of proof is on the state. If you're
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  Speaker 1: making these accusations, remember, big accusations require big evidence. And
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  Speaker 1: so far, I've seen zero evidence that there was some
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  Speaker 1: grand conspiracy. What happened in Canton was a terrible-ass, disgusting investigation,
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  Speaker 1: and Karen Reid ended up walking because that investigation was
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  Speaker 1: so shitty. And even Karen Reid's own team didn't go
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  Speaker 1: too hard trying to, you know, push this theory during
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  Speaker 1: their closing statements. Now, don't get me wrong, it was
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  Speaker 1: a good lever to pull on to try and get
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  Speaker 1: Karen Reid off, and it was effective. But it was
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  Speaker 1: effective because there was a lot of reasonable doubt there.
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  Speaker 1: When it comes to Brian Kohlberger... It is not the same. Remember,
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  Speaker 1: there was a knife sheath found underneath Madison Mogan with
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  Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger's DNA on it. There is no explanation for it.
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  Speaker 1: And until I have an explanation for how that sheath
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  Speaker 1: got there underneath Madison Mogan, I will continue to think
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  Speaker 1: and say that Brian Kohlberger is on a fast track
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  Speaker 1: to being convicted. Now, look, we have to go through
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  Speaker 1: the evidence, right? We have to go through the trial.
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  Speaker 1: And like usual, I'm going to look at all of
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  Speaker 1: the evidence that comes our way. And just like I
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  Speaker 1: did with Diddy, we're going to have a series where
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  Speaker 1: we defend Brian Kohlberger as the trial is going on.
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  Speaker 1: Because I like to wear both hats. I want you
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  Speaker 1: to have the perspective of both sides. We're not here
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  Speaker 1: to pitch narratives. We're not here to, you know, try
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  Speaker 1: and promote, oh, I hope Brian Kohlberger gets the death penalty.
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  Speaker 1: I don't hope that. I hope that justice is served,
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  Speaker 1: and if that means that Brian Koberger gets the death penalty,
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  Speaker 1: then so be it. But in this case, when we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about Brian Koberger, I don't think he's going to
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  Speaker 1: have anywhere near the success that Karen Reid did when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to the alternate perpetrator, for all of the
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  Speaker 1: reasons we just discussed. So we'll see how it works out, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll see what Judge Hippler has to say. But
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion, Brian Koberger and his team better have
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  Speaker 1: a different strategy that they plan on using once this
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  Speaker 1: one fizzles out. Alright folks, that's going to do it
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