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Vladdy Jr. Might Pass on Free Agency · The 3-0 Take

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Three O Take, where we talk
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all things Major League Baseball.
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Here's Kyle Corwin and Nate Reyes it all.
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Starts. Right now.
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Welcome back to the Three O Take presented by Chinook Cedary.
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This is episode 521. I'll be your host, Kyle Korne.
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I'm here with my Co host Nate Reyes.
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Nate. Wild.
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How did that feel? That changed?
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I mean, that's a big Switcher. You've been saying the same
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intro a long time. How long have we been rolling
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with? Well, we've swapped.
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We've swapped some, yeah, some other things in there from time
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to time, but Chinook, baby Chinook, let's roll.
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Why get this? Why put the word out about this
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stream? Why don't you tell the folks
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about about Schnook? Tell them how much 'cause I, I
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love the Not that we got to make this whole thing about Schnook
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right off the top here, but I feel like it's worth announcing
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because I guess it's a big deal. And as much as I love the seeds,
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I think you love them even more. So why don't you tell the?
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Folks, dude, by this experience I feel like I'm promoting them a
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lot to friends and fam. These seeds are look how long
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have you been chewing? I've I've been chewing seeds
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since I was 5-6 years old. Six years old.
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Like, I remember being a kid and like, I, I couldn't wait to
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figure out how to put like a handful in your mouth and keep
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him on a cheek and then be able to like work out the seed on the
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other side of your mouth. Then I, I remember that day.
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Like, I remember being able to do it and being excited.
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I remember the weird phase you go through where you're just
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chewing them and you're not spitting them out.
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You're literally just chewing and tearing up your insides from
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eating blades of seeds. So it's awesome because like as
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a ball player, you have your seat, like you have your
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favorite seeds. You understand different brands
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and like the different flavors and you understand which ones
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are going to tear up your mouth. You understand that like, hey,
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this have this may have more flavor, but it, it ain't worth
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it. So to be able to like get to
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this, this partnership with Chinook is sick, man.
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Like these seeds are super, super high quality.
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I'm not just saying it like I I would whether they were involved
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with us or not, I'd be promoting these things.
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Speaking of promoting friend of the program Bobby Witt, if you
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follow Bobby Witt in any capacity, you know that Bobby
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Witt is a a big player in the Chinook Cedery game.
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That's right, big advocate, big promoter, his big partner for
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them. So we love that.
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I mean, we love anything Bobby Witt does.
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That's. Right.
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That's right. You just want to go ahead and
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drop the bomb on them. Now, about this particular
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flavor that I I don't think a lot of people know about.
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Yeah, I mean, look like you got your, you got your, your normal
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flavors for the most part, like your original, your dill, your
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BBQ, they're all in the mix. They start getting a little
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funky. They start mixing in some Hatch
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chili. They mix in some jalapeno ranch.
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They mix in some lemon pepper. Some parmesan and pepper.
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The parmesan and pepper is is low key money a banger.
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You guys don't know about the cinnamon toast dude?
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This. And I swear to you, I'm not
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just, I am not saying this. It is genuinely one of the best
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sunflower seeds I've ever had in my life.
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That's what I'm saying because. You, you, you look at it and you
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go. There's no way it works.
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Because we've only had salty seeds, like that's the only seed
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we've ever been given is like salty, spicy, like nothing sweet
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before. It's I, I gave it to, I gave
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Chinook hooked, hooked us up with they were generous and give
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us some, some samples. So I got a lot and I was like,
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there's no way I'm going to have all these.
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So I started giving a couple bags to some friends and yeah,
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he was like, did they like steal like the recipe from CT crunch?
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Like it's like unbelievable. It's so good.
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It shouldn't work. It shouldn't make sense.
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But these, I mean, they're, they're high quality seeds.
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They're made in the US, which I love.
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I think they're out of Texas and there's like, no, there's no
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like GMO or like MSG. There's none of that.
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Like stuff where you're just like sucking down water after
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you have a handful there. They don't destroy your breath.
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Like I you and I were talking about it.
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I drive a lot for work. So like I keep bags in my center
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console and it's it's the best, they're the best seeds I've ever
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had. I'm not just saying that I would
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be talking this way whether they were partnered with us or not.
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So go get you some. I love the little you can see
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over my shoulder. You can see over Kyle's shoulder
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the the singular tube that is very easy for what you can
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imagine is made for like the back pocket of a player on
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field. Just very easy to cut the
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corner, pop them in. But they do have the big bags
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too. The perfect serving size for
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just like an outing, like if you go to the park or you're at a
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ball game or driving home from work, you got a longer commute.
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The the perfect serving size. I'm all about it.
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Speaking of money, let's talk Vladdy junior again.
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Let's talk Vladdy junior again. Dude, I, I, I like to say that I
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have a radar for these kinds of things where, you know, games
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are being played, players just trying to work the team for this
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or that. I I still feel like I'm in the
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camp that Vlady Junior doesn't want to play for the Blue Jays,
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but some quotes have surfaced recently in the in the recent
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days that have me second guessing that.
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Hit me. All right, so ultimately, Blue
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Jays President Mark Shapiro comes out, says I think we're
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going to sign him. I think we're going to extend
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them. We have such a clear alignment
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on the desired outcome. Vlad wants to play his whole
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career as a Toronto Blue Jay. We want him to end his career in
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a Blue Jays uniform and be a true legacy player or the
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Toronto Blue Jays. That's a pretty good place to
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start. And then Vladdy comes out and
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says I've always felt good about the whole thing.
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I'm good with that. Just going to keep working very
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hard and be optimistic. Not going to shut the door on
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them. This was the one that got me, he
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said. I'm going to leave that to my
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agents to work with that if there's something there, they're
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going to continue to work with that.
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I'm just going to be on the field, focusing on my teammates,
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on my team, on my game. If that was the case, why set
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the dead? Why set the deadline?
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I never. Believe the deadlines have you?
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I've never bought into the deadlines.
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It made sense to me, and the only reason I bought it was
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because the way it aligned with the spring training schedule.
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I'm like, OK, he he just once, once, once he steps on the
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field, he doesn't want to, doesn't want to play any games,
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doesn't want to hear about it throughout the whole year.
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But then this comes out and I'm like, so it sounds like he's
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more than OK with his agent who is doing the work for him on his
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behalf anyway. Regardless if there was a
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deadline or not, he's OK with him handling business off to the
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side while he while he worries about his game.
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So ultimately he got Vladdy got what he wanted.
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He got he got the Blue Jays to come back to the table and not
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just throw in the towel and say, all right, fine, we'll, we'll,
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we'll try our luck in, in free agency.
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They're like, Vladdy got what he wanted.
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He's the Blue Jays come back saying no, no, no, we're going
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to make this work. We feel like we're going to sign
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you. So he got exactly what he what
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he wanted. Do I think he's going to do I
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think he's going to end up in in Toronto or he's going to stay in
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Toronto? I feel like the odds are are
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greater now based on these quotes.
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Do I think he wants to be there? Not entirely.
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But I think if the money gets to a point where he has no choice
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but to accept, I think that that that that's a likely scenario.
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Money talks, man. Money talks.
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Always does. I don't believe in the deadline.
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I think in my mind I feel like Vlad probably gave his agents a
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number and said don't bother me with this unless we are at or
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near this number. I think it also has to do with
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this this year's success of the team.
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I think that's going to be a part of it, right?
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Like I, I feel like it's a vibe thing.
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Like if the Jays are rolling, I'm rolling.
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Like all things are good. Maybe even if not, maybe if
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like, hey, I'm struggling and and I'm getting off to a slow
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start and the Blue Jays are getting closer to my number.
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Like maybe I don't put up the year that I want to put up.
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And I mean, like we saw it with like we we've seen it with guys,
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we've seen it with guys that maybe don't have the best
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walkier production wise and it cost them a significant amount
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of money. We've also seen that like a lot
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of teams calling players or agents bluff in a way, you know
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what I mean? Like I'm not going to go there.
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I'm sorry. We're out then.
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So it's interesting because I don't know where I don't know
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where the Blue Jays would be on this because we've talked about
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like they've been in on big names in the past, right?
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They've been in on Otani, they've been in on Judge,
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they've been in on these guys that are just Korea, like all
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these names that are like at the top of the free agent class.
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And they've just, you know, it's always been the bridesmaid,
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never the bride. So I feel like they have money
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to spend. I feel like they've renovated
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their park, you know what I mean?
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Like they've done the right things, they've made the right
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moves. I like that they still sneaky
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had a good offseason, you know what I mean?
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Like if you were to look at those moves and their
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improvements from last year, I think they're genuine
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improvements from last year. I think all of this is just like
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a a perfect mixture. They at least is in the ale in
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general is more up for grabs than it has been in the past.
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Like these are all good things and I feel like if things are
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going well, Vlad is feeling good.
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If if there's the right buttons being pressed all year, I could
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see a mid season extension. I could do.
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I think that's likely. No, I don't think so.
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I wonder if there's a scenario where the Blue Jays do not
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perform up to their expectations.
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I won't say our expectation or even my expectations.
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I don't know where you we've got our hot takes and predictions
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episode coming up next, so I don't want to speak for you
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necessarily. But if the Blue Jays don't live
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up to their expectations and Vladdy Junior ends up being one
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of the the lone bright spots of this, this 2025 Blue Jays team,
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does that, does that increase the urgency in that front office
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where they're like, this, this guy is the only reason these
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people coming to the ballpark? We've we've got to figure out a
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way to keep this guy around. We're we're, we're knocking on
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the door of an agreement here of an extension.
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Can't like we just got to make this work.
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Do you think that increases the urgency?
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Because ultimately that's what that's what Vladi wants.
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That's what Vladi and his camp wants.
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They want, they want the front office to panic a little bit.
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And again, if if Vladi goes out and has an even better year than
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he had last year, because we we've talked about it, he had a
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better year than I think people even remember he.
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Was really good last year. Yeah, if he goes out.
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And, and, and improves even upon that.
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And the Blue Jays are sort of like, you know, middle of the
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road, even bottom of the division.
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Does does the front office go if we want to compete at all moving
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forward? This is the guy that we've had
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our we've had him circled ever since he joined the organization
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that he was going to be a centerpiece of this.
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Or do they just look at it and go, is it, is it worth it?
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Because we, we, we have not. We have not done anything of
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note in recent memory and it doesn't look like anything.
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We, we went out and made additions this offseason.
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It amounted to nothing or at least to this point in the
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season. Assuming this conversation takes
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place around the break, is it even worth it?
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Like do we do we overextend ourselves to get a guy that A
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doesn't really seem that he wants to be here and B isn't
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going to make as much of a difference given he like he he
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is a difference maker. But if if he has nobody around
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him that's able to take them to the next level, is it even worth
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it? I think they have.
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I mean, I, I think the pressure is already there.
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I think their seat is already hot.
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I think it would be a mistake for the Blue Jays.
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It's already been a mistake. But I think it will be a mistake
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if they let him go have meetings elsewhere.
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If this gets to the offseason and he's meeting with other
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teams, I think it's a mistake. I think it's a missed
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opportunity. He's gone.
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Like I, I'm not trying to come down on the Blue Jays at all,
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but like they're, you got to assume there's a lack of, of
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Dominican culture up there. You got to assume that it's not
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the easiest thing in the world to live in Canada.
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You know what I mean? Like to go back and forth
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between the countries is not, it's not the easiest thing.
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You're talking, you know, you're talking, you know, taxes being
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an issue. Like there's a lot of other
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factors outside of just how the Blue Jays perform, how the how
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the roster is organized, who's in the managerial seat, Because
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let's face it, that seat has been a little hot lately too.
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So it's tough man. But like if they let him go and
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have other meetings and and get to flirt with other teams and
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other organizations, I I can't see him returning.
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I cannot. And being good friends with Soto
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and seeing how negotiations can have other things involved
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outside of just your salary. Other factors at play.
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think that can can,
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can definitely play a role. I think you can definitely play
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a role and I I wouldn't be surprised if if the Mets because
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of that, that Pete Alonzo deal did included a club option,
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right. So I wouldn't be surprised if
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they don't pick that up if, if Pete is anything less than, you
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know, 35. Dollars this.
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Year. I think it was a club option.
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What? Was it?
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I think if it's anything less than 35 home runs a year out of
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this year, out of Pete Alonso, they're not picking that up and
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Soto's going to heavily recruit Vlad.
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Yeah, it's going to eat that up. Well, I don't want to belabor
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it. We've we've talked about bloody
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a lot this offseason. There hasn't been much progress,
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but there has been back and forth, which I feel like we have
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to have to keep the folks updated on.
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So that is the latest on Vladdy Junior Tokyo Series in the
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books. Dodgers go out and do exactly
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what I think people were anticipating.
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They go out and take two of two and you know, you see a little
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bit of everything you see you see some some flash from Otani.
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Otani goes deep controversial call, albeit you see some you
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see some depth out of their bullpen.
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It was Scott had to save in game one and then I think it was
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Vesia in game two had to save. So you're already seeing a
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little bit of that versatility at work and, and some of their
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depth pieces showing up. I think TKT KS got what, 2 Jacks
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now he's got I think 2 on the year coming home.
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I think I saw I and I think the reason that I think that is
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because I, I think I saw a tweet where he's talking about how
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he's going to, he's going to take the week and enjoy it as
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like the league leader in home runs or something like typical,
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typical TK fashion. But yeah, you know, I mean, I
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caught a total of, I'm not, I'm not going to sit here and lie.
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I caught a total of maybe 5 innings between the two games
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because I was being on the East Coast.
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You're able to catch a little bit more than than the Dodgers
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fans out West, assuming they're not waking up at 3:00 AM.
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But some of them were, I'll give him credit, but you know, it's
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it's awesome. It's it's anytime you get to see
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Major League Baseball be soaked up by an audience outside of our
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own it, it's awesome. So I'm not I've I have nothing
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wrong to say or nothing bad to say about that in in any way
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shape or form. Yeah, the only camp we've been
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in is that the fact we just don't like it for opening day.
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It's the timing of it, man. It's just, it's weird.
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It's weird, but the one, one of the things that I thought was
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interesting is it wasn't like a major talking point, but I, I
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didn't see many folks talking about it, but it was, I want to
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say it was game one. Yeah, it was Game 1.
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I had the broadcast on. I think it was Chicago's
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broadcast and they're talking about how the cheerleaders who
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are usually there because it's big and MPB, they got the
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cheerleading squad there. They're leading all the chance
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and and the, you know, they incite a lot of the rowdiness
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that you see take place at those Japanese games.
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But they said that they intentionally, for lack of a
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better way of saying it, they essentially sat out the games
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because they wanted they as they were under the assumption that
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Major League fans wanted to enjoy your traditional MLB
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experience even though they were in Japan.
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And I go, you know what that. Little little show respect to
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the MLB fans that are either there or watching the game.
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Yeah, from arguably the most respectful culture in the world.
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And I said, I said something along the lines of like, we
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could learn to or we could afford to learn a thing or two
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from from the Japanese culture when it comes to respect, not
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just some baseball, but, you know, just as human beings.
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But yeah, sort of that combined with the the passion energy they
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showed, I'm all for Major League Baseball continuing to grow it's
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brand over there. Given how much of an impact
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they, I mean, I don't, I don't remember what the final numbers
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were, but a lot of people, a lot of people watch these games over
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there both I can only imagine streaming and in person.
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But then you go back to like the numbers where they were carried.
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They were pulling the weight for the World Series viewership
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numbers last year with Otani and and all that.
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So anytime, anytime, like I said, baseball, Major League
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Baseball can make its way over there.
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I love it. But it all comes back to us with
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a timing thing. And, and I know logistics aren't
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easy and it's easy for us to sit here and go, well, why don't
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they do it this time or or this time, but just read the room a
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little bit like, you know, that's all, that's all.
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Yeah, I agree. I'm with you.
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I think we've probably beat that up enough.
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Yeah, correct matchup as well. Very cool just to be able to see
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Imanaga on the mound. Obviously, you know, Otani,
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Sasaki, Yamamoto, like correct matchup.
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I feel for the Cubbies a little bit for losing a couple home
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games. Which is weird.
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Like who are we fooled? Who are we fooled?
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Just give LA the home. Yeah, I don't, I don't
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understand why you wouldn't give them that.
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That's it's just strange, like I'm I'm thinking of like like a
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season ticket holder in Chicago, you know, like getting robbed of
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two games out of Wrigley. Like, no offense to, you know,
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no offense to the stadium out in LA, but it ain't Wrigley, you
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know? So I think, yeah, it's it was.
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Maybe just upset some people with that I'm.
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Sure I did, but I'm sure I did. But it ain't Wrigley and we all
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know it. And it was obvious that, like,
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the cheering was a lot louder for the Dodgers.
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So, yeah, kind of strange there. But touch on a little bit of,
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you know, what you were talking about.
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Like, I think this is a very good look into the way the
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Dodgers are likely going to operate this year because we we
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saw, you know, no Freddie, no Mookie.
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And it doesn't matter because they just, they have all of
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these other roles that are just better filled than any other
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roster I've I've ever seen, to be honest.
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You know, we see Conforto playing a solid left field and
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we've already, you know, we've already mentioned, I think he's
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making the 17,000,000 this year. It's like, you know, Kiki's in
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the mix. You know what we like we
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sometimes overlook Max Muncie in this lineup.
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We overlook a Will Smith and it's it's the same type of
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ideology in the bullpen as well, right, Because like it do you
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want to go Trinon? Do you want to go Tanner Scott?
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Like it just depends on the tunnel, depends on what starter
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was was working that day. Depends on where you're at in
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the lineup. It depends on, you know, that
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and then you have Vesia and it's just like they have 4 closers.
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You can argue like it's, it's crazy, man.
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They have guys that are, you know, starting in the infield
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for them. That or, or I should say, they
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have guys in the infield that would be on a bench and, and for
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them, most of the time that would be starters elsewhere.
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Like it's just, I think you're going to see a very spread out.
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Let's not over extend our superstars during the regular
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season. I think you're going to have to
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get used to this team almost being NBA ish with their with
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their health management, their time management, their playing
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time. Like, it's going to be very
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spread out and it's different, man.
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It's different for baseball. You know, anything had happened.
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Yes, we're going to look at this team on paper and be like we've
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already said it, like this team should win 100 games no problem.
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But at the same time, like when you have all these players, as a
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manager, you got to assume that you got to ride the hot hand.
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You know what I mean? If Kiki's hitting 600 this week,
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like, it's hard to sit a guy like that.
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But it's also hard to say like, OK, well, we're paying a Tommy
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Edmond to get, you know, more time.
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We're paying a Mookie Betts to be able to get at the top of
25:34
that lineup and not have days off.
25:36
So it's it's going to be interesting how they manage it.
25:40
But yeah, man, their benches deep, their bullpens deep.
25:44
Obviously the rotation is deep and they don't have to
25:49
overextend anybody. Nobody has to overdo it.
25:54
Joey doesn't even really need to pitch for them.
25:57
That's what, you know what I mean?
25:58
Like it's. Just Nah, it doesn't.
26:03
But yeah, the Dodgers are are just the Dodgers, the Cubs.
26:10
Ripped the Segway right out from underneath me.
26:12
You got it. You're moving on to the Cubs.
26:14
Yet again. I thought we were thought we
26:18
were still there. No, I mean, we, we can mention
26:21
the Cubs, but I mean, again, nothing of note really to
26:24
discuss there. This was the series went exactly
26:26
the way we anticipated. Fair enough.
26:31
No, I was just you were talking about what were.
26:33
You What? Are you moving out of the Tokyo
26:35
series? Because I didn't want to ask you
26:36
something. Sure.
26:37
Yeah, I mean, I was, I was, but go for it.
26:40
What do you think of this weird like replay 360?
26:43
Dude, I was trying to make sense of that.
26:45
I. It doesn't compute in my in my
26:48
head, yeah. I'm like what am I?
26:51
How are? You getting this?
26:53
How are you getting this? Where are the cameras?
26:55
Where are the sensors? 'Cause we first saw like.
26:58
Is this real? Am I real?
27:01
Yeah, we first saw like the the Dansby dive going to his left
27:05
and it was like behind it comes up and throws takes, you know,
27:08
and you see like the fist bump when I was like, this is sick.
27:11
But then, like when you look at the crowd behind, it's like a,
27:16
like a video game. Yeah, like I don't.
27:19
And then you can kind of see like it.
27:20
It's almost like green screen. I I don't know how I how I feel.
27:26
It's strange. I mean, I'm all for, you know,
27:33
different angles, different new technology to enhance the
27:36
viewing experience. But yeah, and again, I didn't
27:39
see enough of it to really be able to form too strong of an
27:42
opinion. But anything like that, just
27:44
make sure you got it tightened up before you roll it out
27:46
because then yeah, I don't sorts of blowback.
27:50
But I can't imagine it's an MLB thing, right?
27:54
No, but I'm sure they they saw it and were like, whoa, what can
27:58
we do with this? Japan's built different, bro.
28:00
I just, I think they're they're ahead of the game.
28:03
They're ahead of the game. I saw something on TikTok the
28:07
other day that their sidewalks have like pedals that when you
28:11
walk along the street, like in like busy parts of the city, the
28:15
kinetic energy from the pedals of the walkway is creating
28:20
electricity. And they said that every
28:23
footstep can give like 7 light bulbs, like 30 seconds of light.
28:29
So they have millions of people just walking on the streets, but
28:32
they're made of these little pedals.
28:34
I'm like, y'all are different out there.
28:37
You got you're ahead of the game.
28:39
We don't know what we're doing. Your Wi-Fi is a mess.
28:43
Dude, I don't know what's going on here.
28:45
I'm going to. I'm about to throw my computer
28:47
out the window. Yet they are doing that.
28:51
They got it. They got electric walkways.
28:54
It's just, it's just wild. Man, maybe I need to go hook up
28:57
my Wi-Fi to their sidewalks. It's possible.
29:01
It's possible. She's ahead of the game bro.
29:06
Well, I lost my segue, so let's just transition here.
29:10
Alex Verdugo, the the sought after the the free agent of the
29:18
offseason. Big time.
29:20
The superstar Alex Verdugo finally lands a one year, one
29:26
and a half, $1,000,000 contract with the Braves.
29:30
Tell me about your boy. My boy.
29:35
Why is he my boy? I think he's more your boy.
29:41
I don't know, he got World Series ABS and pinstripes, so
29:43
you tell me. That's fair.
29:48
I don't know, man. I don't know.
29:53
I think he'll play it. He's going to play good defense
29:57
and he's going to give you interesting moments below the
30:06
average output at the plate. Yeah.
30:10
I mean, like, I I do think last year was a down year.
30:13
I think he's better than what he he's gotten worse.
30:16
Every year since for like the last four years.
30:20
And I hear you. I, I don't know, man.
30:23
I, I, he's seems like a good clubhouse guy, kind of.
30:27
I he has like these weird clutch moments that are like, it's like
30:32
these big moments and then he has.
30:35
Here you go. Is really low.
30:39
OPS plus sorry y'all I'm fighting a fighting a sinus
30:45
thing or allergies or something so I'm fighting through this for
30:48
you guys so bear with me. Forgive me 2020 I can only talk
30:56
so loud I'm I'm quickly realizing so hopefully I don't
31:00
get too fired up about any of this. 2020 OPS plus of 1/23/2021
31:07
OPS plus of one O 720-2210 two 183.
31:18
See, that's, I mean, that's a big dip.
31:20
That's what I'm saying. Are you not an OPS plus person
31:22
or do you prefer the OPS? If so, let me read you those OPS
31:26
numbers. OPS in 2020, 840-4777,
31:32
732-740-5647. Yeah.
31:39
Quite literally below the average.
31:44
Yeah, you're not wrong. You're not wrong.
31:47
I think he can. And can I just give you league
31:51
average? I think I, I don't think there's
31:53
expectations of him being any better than that.
31:56
And it's also like now we're seeing potentially a new role
32:00
because he's not going to be an everyday outfielder for the
32:02
Braves. I, I see him as like a safety
32:07
net to Kelnick. If Kelnick comes out and is
32:10
hitting $1.20 for six weeks, it's like.
32:16
That may happen. We've seen it and like the
32:19
Braves fans are in the chat, Like I, I think there's, I think
32:23
he's somewhat polarizing. I think there's a lot of fans
32:25
that are for him. There's a lot of fans that
32:27
aren't. I mean, you got him for a bag of
32:28
chips. Like that's cool.
32:30
Like it was a it was a high reward, low risk kind of thing.
32:34
It just doesn't seem like it's it's coming out.
32:38
I don't know how he's looked this spring, or I don't know,
32:41
but that seems like a safety net to him.
32:45
Am I wrong in saying that? No, I think it's fair.
32:47
I just for Verdugo's sake though, I think he's run out of
32:50
time to like to pounce on the whole like chip on your shoulder
33:01
narrative. Like he's, I feel like he's had
33:04
multiple seasons now where it's like, OK dude, a lot of talk, a
33:08
lot of noise coming out of your camp.
33:10
Yeah. It's time to like show up.
33:13
And he he he shows up literally like he shows up to the
33:19
ballpark. But beyond that, how much is he
33:23
really giving you? And he was supposed to be like
33:26
better than league average and he hasn't really been that.
33:29
So like, I don't know how many more year, like yeah, I don't, I
33:32
just don't. I guess what I'm trying to say
33:34
is I don't want to see any attitude coming from Verdugo
33:36
this year where it's like, oh, nobody believes me.
33:38
It's like, well, for good reason, dude.
33:40
Like you, you just haven't been good so.
33:42
Like I get, I get what you're. Saying and you've had.
33:45
You've. Really had and I know he's he's
33:47
only what 2829? But it's like you're not this
33:51
like you're not this blue chip prospect like you, you've,
33:56
you've been around for a minute now and you've had multiple
33:59
opportunities where it's like, OK, take the ball and run with
34:02
it essentially. And he he's just sort of stood
34:07
there. Yeah.
34:08
I mean, it's unfortunate that he is is always going to be
34:12
attached to the Mookie trade and.
34:20
Yeah. But like that excuse runs out.
34:21
Like from his perspective that that runs out real quick because
34:25
it's like, OK. I think it runs out because he's
34:28
such a loud player. Like he's, he's just very
34:31
charismatic, right? Like it's big chains.
34:34
It's a lot of chains. It's it's tattoos.
34:37
It's I play loud, I play with swagger.
34:40
I and it if you don't do well, it's just it's not a good look.
34:44
You know what I mean? If you don't perform, it doesn't
34:46
look the best. I think those two things sum up
34:52
Alex Rodugo. No, I'm just saying like from
34:56
his perspective, though, if he's like, man, I got, I got way too
34:59
much pressure on me, man. People want me to be like Mookie
35:01
Betts. It's like, no, we're well past
35:03
the point of thinking that's even remotely a possibility,
35:07
even like a fraction of movie bets.
35:09
We just want you to be like a little bit better than league
35:11
average because we think your skill set with your skill set
35:15
that you're capable of doing that.
35:16
And he just hasn't really been. Yeah.
35:18
So that's, that's all I'm saying.
35:19
I don't know. Yeah.
35:21
Anyway. This Braves do this and they
35:24
turn, they turn guys around and you fight.
35:27
You squeeze every ounce of potential out of them.
35:31
Sometimes it's just what they do and it's it's a high reward, low
35:38
risk yet again. Him and Pro Far are going to
35:41
have a grand time with one another, I know that much.
35:46
Yeah. I know that much.
35:48
Jose Trevino 3 year contract extension with the Cincinnati
35:53
Reds through the 2027 season. Thoughts on your boy?
36:00
Good for Trevi man. I like Trevi.
36:02
Like if if you haven't gotten a chance to see any like
36:07
interviews with him or oppressors with him, like he's
36:10
he's a really good dude. I like what he I feel like he
36:15
always says the right stuff, Very, very good behind the dish
36:22
when it comes to framing. I think pitch calling, you know,
36:26
handling a staff, all those types of things are good.
36:29
Is the arm better? I hope so, because like if
36:35
you're committing three years to a guy and and his arm is what it
36:38
was last year, look out. He's a good dude and he seems to
36:47
be like a, a very humble all except whatever my role is kind
36:51
of guy and you love that and I I, I think it's cool.
36:59
I think him I think Tito probably likes him.
37:01
I think that's that's something of like he's he's just a gamer.
37:04
He's a ball player. He's and he has clutch moments
37:08
sometimes and you could have worse as a backup catcher.
37:16
Should you be catching 100 and 15120 games?
37:19
No. Well, he'll with with Tyler
37:26
Stevenson out, though he'll be he'll be the guy for a little
37:28
while until he gets back. Yeah, Yeah.
37:33
I think I'm I'm just saying like in the length of this.
37:36
Long term, yeah, yeah. This three-year period, yeah.
37:40
But to your point with with Tito, I think this is I think
37:44
this is a guy that's going to mesh real well with the style of
37:47
baseball that that Tito likes to push forward with whatever team
37:52
he's at the helm of. I think that I think that'll
37:54
play well. So I think that's a good, that's
37:56
a good move on on behalf of the Reds.
37:59
Well done. Yeah, don't.
38:01
Be surprised if you like we could Fast forward someday and
38:04
see Jose Trevino catching. I mean coaching at some point.
38:08
Like he's, he's that kind of guy.
38:13
Yeah, good for him. It's exciting.
38:20
Let me switch gears here. And I didn't even have it on the
38:22
list, but I know I'm going to forget it if I don't bring it up
38:25
now because I just happened to see a post mentioning his name.
38:30
This whole Jose Altube thing I don't think we've talked about.
38:35
I don't think we've followed up on the whole move to left field
38:38
thing. Have you seen some of the?
38:41
Woof. I mean, what are we doing there?
38:44
I, I don't understand. And they, they asked me this,
38:51
It's sort of fresh on my mind because they asked me this on
38:54
Friday when I was on ESPN Las Vegas.
38:58
Little shameless plug, good guys over there, shameless flex.
39:03
They said, shameless flex, shameless plug.
39:06
They said, do you think he's do you think he's there at the end
39:11
of the year? And I said I'm leaning towards
39:14
no. And before I even got to that
39:16
point, I was talking about how it just confused me why he's
39:21
even out there in the 1st place. Like, do do the Astros somehow
39:24
think that they're getting Alex Bregman back and that he's still
39:27
going to play second, necessitating this move?
39:32
Yeah, I'm kind of confused by it too, I'll be honest with you.
39:35
Because Mauricio Duban, I think, is slated to be their second
39:38
baseman. And I'm like, this guy actually
39:40
plays in the outfield and has played in the outfield.
39:43
Right. That's what I'm not.
39:45
I mean, I get that. Like he didn't have a very good
39:48
year last year defensively. But I'm not going to put a guy,
39:52
I'm not going to put like the face of my franchise in left
39:55
field after being a second baseman for 14 years.
39:58
What are we doing? Yeah, I, I understood it when,
40:02
like, Bregman was still a free agent and that was kind of on
40:04
the table of like, hey. Like we've already committed to
40:07
esock parades, like if Bregman comes back and you know, we have
40:11
to make parades play 2nd and like all move like that.
40:16
I understood like that's just buying in being a leader like.
40:20
Even then, but they're out there shouldn't have been the guide to
40:23
budget. This is strange.
40:25
It's strange. I I get, I think Dubon looked he
40:29
look, he's good. Dubon's athletic.
40:31
He's going to play a good second base, but at what cost?
40:34
You know what I'm saying? Like can Duban play a a better
40:38
left field then then Altuve? Like what's the point of taking
40:47
two guys and moving them versus just one guy?
40:50
You know what I'm saying? Like but.
40:54
That's the thing, you're not moving any guy if you keep Du
40:57
Bond in the outfield in Altuve in second.
41:00
That's what that's the whole point.
41:01
Like I I genuinely do not understand this move at all.
41:05
I don't either. And the more clips that I keep
41:06
seeing of Altuve dropping routine cans of corn out and
41:10
left, I'm like, I don't know what we're doing here.
41:12
I didn't understand the Esock Pereides move.
41:14
Like I I I feel like they're just trying to make stuff work
41:20
with guy's out of position. It just doesn't make a ton of
41:22
sense. I got some thoughts on this in
41:25
our Hot Takes episode coming up on Sunday, Craig Kimbrel back
41:33
with Atlanta. Heard of him?
41:35
Yeah. Minor league deal.
41:41
I'll be honest with you, I'm I'm out.
41:45
Yeah, I'm out. I'm.
41:47
So out I'm I'm over it. I'm all done.
41:49
I mean, how many man? I'm I'm fighting for my life
41:54
over here, struggling. It's hitting me now.
41:58
Is it the meds are wearing off? Throats are throat is raw we'll.
42:02
Get you out of here. How?
42:05
How many more? Like how many teams can you
42:08
bounce around too and try to make it work?
42:10
And I get it, you're going back to Atlanta, so maybe there's
42:13
something there. But dude, that was like that was
42:17
when was he there? O 8 is what, 17 years ago?
42:24
Was it really? I got to look it up now.
42:27
Wasn't that O 8? Tell me it was O 8.
42:32
Braves fans yelling at us for sure.
42:35
Do I know ball or do I know ball?
42:40
Just hit us with a cool -1.1 war last year.
42:49
Was he 2014? Why did I set?
42:52
He wasn't even in the league and.
42:54
OK, I don't know where I saw him.
42:56
I guess I don't know Ball. No, but I'm just like, how many?
43:03
How many teams? Yeah, I was going to say I was
43:04
like that that math doesn't add up.
43:08
How many teams can we make this? Can we make a go at it with
43:11
before you're just like, I just don't have it in the tank
43:13
anymore. I just don't have it in the
43:16
tank. Yeah.
43:19
The only thing, the only thing that I like about the move is
43:22
that he's joining a team that is looking to reassert itself as a
43:28
force in this league. And I think the mission of the
43:32
Atlanta Braves coming into 2025 of being a team that wants to
43:36
reassert itself aligns with I think the mission of Craig
43:39
Kimbrel where he's looking to be like, hey, like, whereas you and
43:44
I don't think there's anything really left in the tank.
43:48
He's probably of the belief where he's like, no, I still got
43:50
a little something left. And I think that aligns well
43:53
with what the Braves are looking to do this year of trying to,
43:57
and sure that people have not forgotten about them after last
44:00
year, but that's all I really had on the matter.
44:04
Do you remember him being a Dodger in 2022?
44:07
Yeah, he was with the Dodgers. He they they tried to put him in
44:12
him and Liam as like Co closers in Chicago.
44:16
I remember that. He was with Boston, obviously
44:19
with Baltimore, with Philly. He was.
44:28
He was never with San Diego, was he?
44:30
One year, 2015. Early, Yeah, I was going to say
44:32
it wasn't with the new, the new IT.
44:34
Was in between, in between Braves and and Boston, Yeah.
44:40
Who else coming in? It's it's, it's just hasn't, it
44:44
hasn't looked good for a while now.
44:49
And it's not like that, that's the thing.
44:50
It's not just like going back to our whole like league average
44:54
conversation. It's not like he's just league
44:55
average. Like he's, he's been genuinely
44:57
awful. This is these are the types of
44:59
move that moves that just make me question like you really not
45:03
have anyone else in the organization that you want to
45:05
see? Like, are you wanting to see
45:09
what you got in some of your young guys?
45:13
Give them a shot. I know we talked about this a.
45:15
Minor league deal, but like, come on.
45:18
I know we talk about it all the time, but maybe this is just one
45:20
of those like we got to get the veteran, got one of the veteran
45:24
presences in the clubhouse and this is the guy that's been here
45:26
before. Who knows?
45:28
Whatever. Who knows?
45:32
All right, two more. Let's make it.
45:35
Let's. Make it.
45:35
Let's make it through this, Jared Jones.
45:40
I feel like I'm screaming right now.
45:43
You're not. But I'm not.
45:44
I'm not screaming at all. Jared Jones, I hate to say this
45:52
because I drafted him in fantasy potential TJ looming, and I'm
46:01
not here for it because I was very much excited.
46:04
I was excited. About watching Sherrod Jones
46:08
encore from last year, watching him in him in skiing's go 1-2
46:14
again. I know.
46:16
Yeah, I know. And I'm not saying that that's
46:19
going to happen, but it's just as as you as you hear with these
46:22
things, it's always a possibility.
46:24
When you hear it, when you hear it, there's there's typically
46:27
some some fire with that smoke. Yeah, I agree.
46:31
It's tough. I think he's going to be I think
46:33
he's going to be really good. I think he's going to have a
46:35
really good career. It's just, I mean, I I guess
46:38
it's good to get this just out of the way.
46:40
I think the Pirates are somewhat on the come up, but I don't
46:43
know. Did you?
46:45
Have you heard of this other kid they have?
46:48
Bubba Chandler, Yeah, who's, like, nasty?
46:51
Who's like, yeah, Skeens won't be the opening day starter for
46:56
forever. No, I thought that was Jared.
46:58
It wasn't. That was Jared Jones saying
47:01
that, I thought. I thought Bubba Chandler.
47:06
Oh, he was. I thought he was ribbing Skeens
47:09
about himself. Being no, he was saying that
47:11
about. Him.
47:12
Oh, that's funny. I mean, yeah, but adds up.
47:15
Yeah, this so it's just like they're they're producing man,
47:18
which is good because like they've had like a tough they've
47:21
had a tough rap for the for the last few years of, you know,
47:24
having some some dudes coming in and and not being able to take
47:28
it advantage of them, you know, with coal and and glass now and
47:33
guys like that so. Or no, it, it wasn't, it wasn't
47:39
Jared Jones. I think he, I think he straight
47:42
up told Skeens. Is that what it was?
47:47
Bobby Chandler said that. Schean says.
47:49
Schean says. The cool thing is he sent me a
47:51
text when the video came out today, meaning the announcement
47:55
that he was going to be the opening day starter, and said
47:56
it's going to be tough next year when you're starting Day 2.
48:02
That guy's a real deal, too. Like, yeah.
48:05
So I think the pirates are on the come up, man.
48:06
I I think this is going to be, this is going to be good.
48:10
Just Jared Jones, if you need it, just get it out of the way,
48:13
man. Like I, I think that's what we
48:15
can all pick up on at this point is that like the guys that try
48:19
to work their way through it or rehab, it's just like it's
48:22
inevitable for pretty much every pitcher, man.
48:25
Just go get it done, get the rehab done and and come back
48:29
next year when the when the Pirates have, I hope they
48:32
continue to just take steps in the right direction.
48:36
So. I'm with you, I'm with you.
48:41
I don't know if it it does much to change my thoughts.
48:44
Even if Skeens comes out and wins every game he starts.
48:48
I don't know if it's doing much to move the needle for me with
48:50
the pirates, but we'll save that for next episode.
48:54
Our hot ticks and breaks episode lastly here.
49:00
Oh. Well, I'm I'm you're almost
49:04
there, guy. I'm almost there.
49:06
Let's let's compose ourselves here.
49:10
All right. I mean, it feels like I'm.
49:14
I believe. You we mean I'll hold him out on
49:16
top. Angels, specifically Ron
49:21
Washington, are banning cell phones in the Angels clubhouse,
49:31
a plan that he is aiming to uphold throughout the regular
49:36
season. This is also something that he
49:38
did when he was with the Rangers.
49:43
And when was he with the Rangers?
49:46
I had the same exact thought. It was at a time when cell phone
49:50
culture was not what it is now. Correct?
49:52
Did I just say cell phone culture?
49:54
What? You get, I think that adds up.
49:56
I think it's just culture. But.
49:57
Phone culture. Hit me on my cell.
50:01
Hit me on my cellular phone SMS. Yeah, dude, it's going to be
50:07
tough, but. I bet the people, I bet when
50:11
people heard me mention the angels are banning cell phones,
50:14
they're like, oh, these two old heads are going to be all for
50:18
this. I want to go on record as saying
50:22
that I don't think this is a great idea.
50:23
And to be honest with you, I love Ron Washington.
50:28
Me too. And I'm not saying that it's the
50:32
same here, but a decision like this to me, I think if the
50:39
angels, if they if he implements this rule and they still come
50:42
out and suck, which is very likely, you're going to see Ron
50:47
Washington start creeping into like Tony Larussa territory from
50:51
the perspective of fans. Not not like maybe not
50:55
necessarily within the clubhouse, but it's possible.
50:58
They'll still respect him and all that.
51:00
But. There could be a pretty big
51:02
disconnect there. Yeah, where people are going to
51:05
be like, what does this dude know he like?
51:08
And I'm just I, I'm fearful for for.
51:11
Want to We talked about this when he took this position, man,
51:15
like he had it made in the shade.
51:17
It made in the shade. He was a fan favorite in
51:20
Atlanta. He got to work with infielders
51:22
every day. And I get it that there may have
51:25
been just like this monkey on his back of like, I need a
51:27
redemption of being at the helm considering the way things ended
51:32
last time. But it's just it's hard to
51:36
imagine this working. It really is.
51:39
I see what you're doing, but I think it's it's hard to imagine.
51:47
I think they'll have guys there that'll help.
51:49
You know, Mike Trout, I think is going to make sure that this is
51:54
implemented like, not that he's, you know what I'm saying?
51:57
Like I. I don't know if you're if you
51:59
read this or if you're just speculating, but it in the
52:01
report that I read, it's going to be him and Kyle Hendricks
52:04
that are going to be the two that are are enforcing.
52:07
It Yeah, see, it's just, it's a weird place to put these
52:12
players. It's a weird place to put these
52:15
guys. You know what I mean?
52:18
I like the intent behind it. I I like we talked about.
52:21
From a good place. Yeah, it's just it's we're
52:24
talking about two different times here.
52:26
Like you, you can't just think back to when you were with Texas
52:28
and be like, oh, this will work. It's just, it's just a different
52:32
time. It's a different time.
52:34
I think the angels knew what they were getting themselves
52:37
into and they brought them in, though.
52:39
And if this is about shifting culture, if this is about taking
52:46
the blows, taking the punches, and if Ron Washington's going to
52:49
be the one that, you know, has to kind of lay down the law and
52:53
say this is how we have to build a winning culture here.
52:57
And the entirely focusing on baseball, it's just it's tough,
53:01
man. It's tough.
53:02
You're talking about you're talking about grown men that
53:07
should be able to be responsible with phones.
53:10
You're talking about grown men that are taking months away from
53:13
their families and now you're taking away, you know, their way
53:17
of communicating Sound like these guys are showing up an
53:20
hour before game time. You know what I mean?
53:21
These guys are locking in four, 5-6 hours before game time
53:25
sometimes. So it's weird.
53:30
You can have like a box outside the clubhouse doors you got to
53:32
drop it off into. It's just it, it's kind of odd.
53:36
It's kind of odd. It's coming from the right
53:39
place. I just, it's hard to imagine
53:41
this not this is going to get blown up and the second they
53:45
come out slow, the second they come out, you know, sliding a
53:49
little bit, it's going to be like, oh, you change your mind
53:51
about the phone. Like fans are not going to be
53:54
great about this. You know what is going to be
53:58
great though? Nate is our hot takes and
54:01
predictions episode, and I want to close by letting you just
54:06
hype it up, give a little bit of preview, a little bit of promo
54:10
as to what folks can expect this Sunday.
54:13
Yeah, it's lawless, that's for sure.
54:16
If you're if you're joining in for the first time, this is
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54:22
This is the most listened to episode each and every year.
54:27
So we're, you know, going to run through our predictions, We're
54:31
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54:35
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54:37
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54:42
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54:47
We're going to have kind of a mix of of our own things.
54:50
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54:52
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54:55
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54:58
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55:00
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55:04
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55:08
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55:11
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55:15
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55:20
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55:21
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55:25
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55:29
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55:47
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56:00
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56:05
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56:12
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56:17
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56:19
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56:21
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56:23
So Nate and I are going to figure out a time that works,
56:28
and then we're going to we're going to be deep.
56:31
Prepare yourselves or anyone that plans on.
56:33
Grab. Grab a beverage.
56:35
Grab your lunch. Grab.
56:36
A lunch, yeah, but we I think last year was three hours
56:40
wasn't. It well, we had Ryan on there
56:42
and I think Ryan was a little bit.
56:44
Under the influence. Under the influence.
56:46
Yeah, I told him to have some tequila before we started and I
56:49
think he got too much. But yeah, so keep an eye out for
56:55
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57:01
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57:03
But just keep an eye out for that and make sure to bring your
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57:12
We may even have, it's like Nate said, it's lawless.
57:16
We may even just open it up while we're recording for some,
57:21
for some takes. But other than that, that about
57:27
does it. I got to get, yeah.
57:30
Yeah, you got to get some soup in ya.
57:31
Go to bed, give. Me some tea.
57:36
It's like that line in friends where they're like, what does he
57:38
say? He's like quit your yap it and
57:40
make us some tea. Yeah, is when they're is when
57:46
they're dressing. Up they make the.
57:47
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57:50
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58:40
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