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Dirty Rush: Bad Decisions at the Frat House · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sorority life with
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  Speaker 1: your hosts me Gia Judice.
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  Speaker 2: Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Kessler.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to Dirty Rush.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Daisy Kent, and I'm here today with my co
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  Speaker 4: hosts Jennifer Wessler and Gia Judice. We are continuing to
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  Speaker 4: discuss the unbelievable crimes and darkest moments from inside sorority
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  Speaker 4: houses and fraternity walls. Okay, I actually remember this happening
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  Speaker 4: because all my friends were like sending it in our
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  Speaker 4: group chats.
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  Speaker 3: But basically it's like out of frat party.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if you can still like see the
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  Speaker 4: video online, but I remember when it happened. But it
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  Speaker 4: was Phi Kapasi and they were literally at like a
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  Speaker 4: party like imagine like Gia, You're at like a party
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  Speaker 4: in college, like a themed party or something like that,
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  Speaker 4: and they like had like the DJ sands like set up,
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  Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, this kid just like starts
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  Speaker 4: on fire. It was like crazy, he got set on fire. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: like literally his whole body goes up in flames. It
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  Speaker 4: was like insane. But it says I never really heard
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  Speaker 4: about what happened from it, but prosecutors charged to the
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  Speaker 4: four members of the Phi Kapaside fraternity in connection with
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  Speaker 4: a frat party skit conducted last year that involved lighting
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  Speaker 4: a fraternity pledges close on fire, which left him with
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  Speaker 4: third degree burns. Lars Larsen, the student that was sat
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  Speaker 4: on fire, filed lawsuit against the Phi Kappaside fraternity, the
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  Speaker 4: California State University System, and two of his co defendants
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  Speaker 4: in the criminal case, among others.
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  Speaker 3: Saint alleges in.
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  Speaker 4: His complaint that after the skit, the fell of fraternity
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  Speaker 4: members provided inadequate first day by putting him in the shower,
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  Speaker 4: wrapping him in an aluminum lanket, and waiting three hours
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  Speaker 4: before contacting emergency personnel. After the fraternity members allegedly instructed
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  Speaker 4: others to delete the video or group chats regarding the
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  Speaker 4: incident in order to conceal what happened. The complaint states,
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  Speaker 4: ares And suffered burns his legs back that required skin
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  Speaker 4: grass and long term treatment for scarring and neuropathy. Neuropathy
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  Speaker 4: is where you can't feel. So if you have neopathy
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  Speaker 4: in your fingers, you can't you have lost feeling.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like the.
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  Speaker 1: Burns are so deep, probably right, like no sensational touch,
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  Speaker 1: but he.
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  Speaker 4: Also alleges that one day before the skit, he took
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  Speaker 4: part in another skit that involved breaking a guitar over
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  Speaker 4: his head. At the time of the burning incident, the
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  Speaker 4: fraternity was on probation and connection to other a hazing
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  Speaker 4: related incidents, and Larsen claimed San Diego State failed to
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  Speaker 4: monitor the frat's activities and enforce sanctions against it. The
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  Speaker 4: laws who also alleges STSU has a long standing and
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  Speaker 4: well document sid history of dangerous fraternity related conduct, as
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  Speaker 4: cited in the twenty nineteen death of Dylan Hernandez, who
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  Speaker 4: was oh, okay, I do remember this, okay, who was
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  Speaker 4: consumed alcohol at a pledge party and then later fell
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  Speaker 4: from the top bunk of his dorm bed and struck
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  Speaker 4: his head. Okay, yeah, I remember this.
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  Speaker 2: There was.
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  Speaker 3: The guy was like at a frat party.
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  Speaker 4: And then he went home and like fell off of
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  Speaker 4: his bed because he was so drunk, and then someone
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  Speaker 4: went in to like wake him up, and he was
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  Speaker 4: just like blue.
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  Speaker 2: Oh god, I know, I remember well this one. They didn't.
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  Speaker 5: They were told to delete their messages. And I remember
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  Speaker 5: also with the Penn State that poor kid Piazza what's
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  Speaker 5: his first name, Timothy, that they didn't they he had
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  Speaker 5: fallen and like nobody wanted to call the cops. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: and then I don't know, I feel like I remember
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  Speaker 5: them saying delete everything or you know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so crazy.
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  Speaker 4: I remember even in like group chats though, like some people,
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  Speaker 4: like some fraternities had like different words they would use
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  Speaker 4: for things to like code like name things.
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  Speaker 5: I remember at UT when I was there, so the
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  Speaker 5: two frats that we were off in match with ZBT
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  Speaker 5: and Sammy. But ZBT was well known to be the
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  Speaker 5: one that like if you wanted to pledge, like you
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  Speaker 5: were going to go through it, like there were paddles,
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  Speaker 5: like you were gonna get your ass kicked, and it
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  Speaker 5: was like the fooler boy fraternity, right mm hmm. And
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  Speaker 5: I'm just thinking, like, you know, in these these my friends,
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  Speaker 5: you know they play they wanted to be in the
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  Speaker 5: cool boy frat, yeah, knowing that they were about to
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  Speaker 5: go through absolute hell, and then like the nice boyfrat.
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  Speaker 5: I mean this so I sound so ridiculous, but they
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  Speaker 5: just warn't his heart on the on the guys.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely is really hard and I was just so sad.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, even that kid having those like like those burns,
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  Speaker 4: like he has that forever.
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  Speaker 1: So he he went along with these skits like he
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  Speaker 1: knew they were happening, Like was he kind of like
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  Speaker 1: you know, I mean maybe he was rebellious in that
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  Speaker 1: way where he thought this was entertainment.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Did he know he was getting set on fire?
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  Speaker 4: I honestly, I don't remember completely how it happened.
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  Speaker 3: I can probably find a video like somewhere in my group.
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  Speaker 4: Chats, because whenever anything happens at like San Diego State,
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  Speaker 4: like I have like a group chat with like all
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  Speaker 4: my guy friends and girlfriends from college, and in.
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  Speaker 3: A frat party fire skit.
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  Speaker 5: Those are words that you'd never want to hear a
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  Speaker 5: frat party fire skit.
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  Speaker 3: That's very weird.
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  Speaker 1: The criminal cases have been dismissed against the four San
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  Speaker 1: Diego State fraternity members who were charged with intentionally setting
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  Speaker 1: one of their defendants on fire during a skit performed
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  Speaker 1: at the fraternity house.
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  Speaker 3: Prosecutors charged the.
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  Speaker 1: Four members of Pie Cap of PSI fraternity and connection
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  Speaker 1: with a frat party skit conducted last year that involved
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  Speaker 1: lighting a fraternity pledges clothes on fire, which.
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  Speaker 3: Left him with third degree burns.
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  Speaker 1: So I think in a weird, twisted way, he knew
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  Speaker 1: this was happening.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like that he knew he was going to be
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  Speaker 3: set on fire.
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  Speaker 1: But he probably figured, okay, my clothes like stop, drop
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  Speaker 1: and roll.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah awful.
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  Speaker 4: If I remember the video, there's like a bunch of
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  Speaker 4: people around him too.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, okay, I'm gonna you know, if this
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  Speaker 1: goes If this goes right, everyone's gonna probably think I'm
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  Speaker 1: so cool. Da da da da, you know, like it's
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  Speaker 1: it's who knows what was going through his brain at
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  Speaker 1: that time.
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  Speaker 5: The boy's brain doesn't develop fully the frontal lobe until
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  Speaker 5: they're twenty six, so I mean, which I think a
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  Speaker 5: women's brain develops going way before that.
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  Speaker 3: But you think about.
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  Speaker 5: That, like not even you know, until you're until a
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  Speaker 5: guy is twenty six, his brain is not done developing
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  Speaker 5: bad decisions.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now he filed a lawsuit against the fraternity.
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  Speaker 5: So many of these are so recent, you guys, I
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  Speaker 5: don't remember hearing about all of these me.
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  Speaker 1: And you don't. That's the scary part, you know. I
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  Speaker 1: think a lot of it is protected to some degree.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and like I'm sure like the schools too, like
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  Speaker 4: as much as like the news and stuff that covers it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure because like the schools don't want like eating
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  Speaker 4: bad like this happening, and like want anything out in
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  Speaker 4: the media about the school too, So I'm sure like everyone.
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  Speaker 3: It's just sad though.
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  Speaker 1: But now moving on to something that's not as not
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  Speaker 1: as intense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a Georgia sorority.
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  Speaker 1: Girl seen smiling and mugshot arrested again weeks after her
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  Speaker 1: first run in with the police. Fox News reported this
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  Speaker 1: on March twenty third, twenty twenty five. The University of
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  Speaker 1: Georgia sorority girl, who was nicknamed Miss America after her
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  Speaker 1: smiling mugshot went viral, she was arrested again for the
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  Speaker 1: second time in weeks. Lily Stewart, a sophomore at Alpha
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  Speaker 1: Qui Omega at the University of Georgia, was arrested for
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  Speaker 1: the second time in a month after her first arrest
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  Speaker 1: at the beginning of March for excessive speeding. An officer
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  Speaker 1: pulled Stuart over for going seventy nine miles per hour
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  Speaker 1: in a fifty five mile per hour zone, and then
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  Speaker 1: she was pulled over again for going eighty four miles
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  Speaker 1: per hour in a fifty five mile per hour zone.
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  Speaker 1: Stuart was found speeding in her twenty twenty one Volvo,
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  Speaker 1: and when she was speeding both of these times, she
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  Speaker 1: was allegedly going allegedly going to a fraternity party that
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  Speaker 1: was being thrown at Georgia College in State University. She
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  Speaker 1: even then took her speeding cases to TikTok to address
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  Speaker 1: her arrest and shared some of the most unhinged comments
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  Speaker 1: in her video. Yeah, I do have to say I
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  Speaker 1: looked at the if you click the link and look
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  Speaker 1: at this article, she's a beautiful girl. Like she really
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  Speaker 1: did look like Miss America in her mugshot. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think I've everristen a book shot like that before.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to look right now.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it kind of sounds like she's just like
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  Speaker 4: doing it for attention.
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  Speaker 1: AI. Yeah, And I mean there's nothing bad happening.
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  Speaker 2: There's no party, guys, as you know that important.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, it's like there's nothing waiting for you at the
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  Speaker 5: other end of this, but like bad news.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm surprised she wasn't drinking.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, she wasn't drinking. She was literally just speeding
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  Speaker 1: to get to this party. And I think we could
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  Speaker 1: all understand that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, even being in the back of an uber
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  Speaker 1: when you're really trying to get to a party or
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  Speaker 1: a bar and you're like, oh my gosh, this uber
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  Speaker 1: is driving so slow, like imagine being being in control
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  Speaker 1: of the wheel. And she probably just wanted to get
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  Speaker 1: to this party. But like you said, Jen, no party
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  Speaker 1: is that important.
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  Speaker 5: You're pulled over once and you think, all right, well
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  Speaker 5: for get now that I've been pulled over, Now I
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  Speaker 5: can really go fast.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeahmy.
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  Speaker 1: No, this was just stupid.
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  Speaker 2: Be better. Honestly, I don't even feel bad for her.
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  Speaker 6: This is was stupid, just dumb, dumb, dummy.
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  Speaker 5: Now. People reports on March eighth reported on March eighth,
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  Speaker 5: twenty twenty five, a man was charged with manslaughter after
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  Speaker 5: a student twenty died in an alleged off campus fraternity hazing.
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  Speaker 5: Caleb Wilson, twenty, was a student at Southern University and
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  Speaker 5: A and M College in Baton, Rouge. He attended an
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  Speaker 5: off campus frat hazing ritual connected to the Omega Sci
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  Speaker 5: Fi fraternity. During the ritual, he was allegedly punched multiple
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  Speaker 5: times in the chest while wearing boxing gloves as part
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  Speaker 5: of the hazing.
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  Speaker 2: Process.
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  Speaker 5: He collapsed after the assault and later died as a
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  Speaker 5: result of the injuries.
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  Speaker 2: I could cry.
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  Speaker 5: This is just so yeah, said people involved initially lied
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  Speaker 5: and claimed Wilson lapsed while playing basketball, which investigators later
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  Speaker 5: determined was false.
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  Speaker 2: Authorities discovered the.
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  Speaker 5: Incident actually happened at a warehouse used for the fraternity
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  Speaker 5: hazing event. I cannot believe this happened in twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: What is going on? Like twenty twenty five?
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  Speaker 5: People are these frats are taking people to warehouses and
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  Speaker 5: punching them And.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, like come on, yeah, this is
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  Speaker 1: again just so stupid. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Caleb McCrae turned himself in. He was a Southern University
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  Speaker 5: graduate an Omega Sci Fi member, and was charged with
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  Speaker 5: manslaughter and criminal hazing. Police said additional arrests were expected
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  Speaker 5: and more than a dozen people were interviewed. Southern University
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  Speaker 5: suspended all fraternity intake and activities after Wilson's death.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't that happen?
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  Speaker 5: That happened just recently in another school, maybe Maryland, where
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  Speaker 5: all Greek life was suspended. I could be making that up.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like that's kind of like common for like
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  Speaker 4: Greek life to be suspended as sad as that it is,
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  Speaker 4: but because I remember we went on like multiple suspensions
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  Speaker 4: when I was not like our sorority, but like the
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  Speaker 4: whole Greek life had to go on like a two
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  Speaker 4: month suspension.
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  Speaker 3: I don't remember why, but.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, punch multiple times in the chest. You have
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  Speaker 5: got to be kidding me.
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  Speaker 1: It's also like after some time, you don't realize that
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  Speaker 1: enough is enough. Yeah. Yeah, and me to have been
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  Speaker 1: like punched multiple like they probably heard like crazy things
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  Speaker 1: happening to his chest like how like for him to
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  Speaker 1: have died like they probably cracked, that's so bad.
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  Speaker 2: It's sick. I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I I hope you guys did. And I never knew
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  Speaker 5: frat boys like this. No, I mean this is another level.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, if I like, it's just just me like thinking.
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  Speaker 4: But for me, I thought, like if somebody kills somebody
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  Speaker 4: like that, like, shouldn't they be like prison for Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I guess it's I don't know, I'm just making this up,
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  Speaker 5: but I think it's probably what kind of murder were
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  Speaker 5: you charged with? Right, like first degree? Second degree? Did
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  Speaker 5: you mean for him to die? You know, did you
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  Speaker 5: go in there with the intent to kill?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Ways in it on it all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah crazy, but also like the fact that he would
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  Speaker 1: come back after being an alumni and right, this is
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  Speaker 1: what he does on his free time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so apparently it's all been alleged. They're still trying
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  Speaker 4: to figure out everything out, which is sad too, and
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  Speaker 4: that the family can't have any type of closure.
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  Speaker 1: Also yeah, yeah it said. The death of Caleb Olson
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  Speaker 1: has been ruled a homicide by the Corner with the
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  Speaker 1: cause listed as commoshio corbis blunt chest trauma from punches
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  Speaker 1: during the alleged hazing. Five individuals have been in in
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  Speaker 1: connection with his death, including charges of manslaughter, criminal hazing,
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  Speaker 1: and obstruction of justice for some of the suspects. As
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  Speaker 1: of the most recent reports, there has not been a
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  Speaker 1: public criminal conviction or sentencing announced yet. The criminal cases
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  Speaker 1: are still moving through the legal system. No final trial
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  Speaker 1: results have been reported in the news.
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  Speaker 3: Wow awful.
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  Speaker 5: You guys are gonna end up not sending your kids
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  Speaker 5: to college. Mind, I know, I'm like homeschool for their right.
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  Speaker 4: So two Dartmouth fraternity members and a sorority have been
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  Speaker 4: charged in the death of a student. This is from
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  Speaker 4: NPR on a November twenty fourth twenty twenty four, so
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  Speaker 4: two years ago, but two members of Dartmouth College fraternity
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  Speaker 4: and sorority have been charged in the death of a student.
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  Speaker 4: It was found dead in a river over the summer
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  Speaker 4: after attending an off campus party where alcohol was allegedly
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  Speaker 4: served to people who are under twenty one. Juan Jang,
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  Speaker 4: a twenty year old who was a student at the
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  Speaker 4: college and a member of the Beta Alpha Omega fraternity,
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  Speaker 4: tended a party off campus in July held by Alpha
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  Speaker 4: Fi and the Hanover Police Department in New Hampshire said
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  Speaker 4: in a statement. The department said Jang and most of
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  Speaker 4: the other attendees were under twenty one drinking alcohol that
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  Speaker 4: was brought by the Beta Alpha Omega members who were
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  Speaker 4: over twenty one, which always happens at sororities these. I
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  Speaker 4: feel like people bring alcohol because I mean, you go
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  Speaker 4: into college and you're like, what like eighteen. But after
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  Speaker 4: the party, several attendees decided to go for a swim
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  Speaker 4: in the Connecticut River, but when a heavy range storm occurred,
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  Speaker 4: many of them left in groups. Known in these groups
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  Speaker 4: noticed that Jang was unaccounted for. It was confirmed to
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  Speaker 4: be a multiple interviews to include Jang's family that he
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  Speaker 4: could not swim in. An autopsy report later determined the
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  Speaker 4: cause of death was drowning and his blood alcohol level
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  Speaker 4: was zero point one sixty seven. Two members of the
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  Speaker 4: Beta Alka Alpha Omega fraternity were charged with a misdemeanor
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  Speaker 4: of providing alcohol to persons under twenty one.
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  Speaker 3: The Alphae sorority was.
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  Speaker 4: Also charged with a misdemeanor violation of facilitating facilitating underage alcohol.
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  Speaker 4: I Startmouth College said both the Alphae chapter on campus
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  Speaker 4: and Beta Alpha Mega were immediately spendered after Jang's death,
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  Speaker 4: and an internal investigation was launched.
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  Speaker 5: So it just it curs to me, like so interesting.
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  Speaker 5: It doesn't matter. This is like an IVY Star Dartmouth
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  Speaker 5: IVY League. I think Dartmouth is IVY League school. Yeah matter,
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  Speaker 5: I think it's right, like stupidness does not like, like
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  Speaker 5: doesn't matter how hard your school is to get into
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  Speaker 5: drinking and pure pressure.
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  Speaker 2: No one escapes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah hard.
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  Speaker 1: You know, when you're obviously all under the influence, you
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  Speaker 1: are not as attentive as you would be if.
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  Speaker 3: You were sober. So obviously all of these.
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  Speaker 1: Students decided to go to this river, and they all
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  Speaker 1: jumped in a rainstorm happened, Okay, it started raining. They
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  Speaker 1: all rushed off and they left one behind, and like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's terrible, but yeah, I think that I
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  Speaker 1: truly believe that this again was a horrible accident. But
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  Speaker 1: this is when you know, this is when you just
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  Speaker 1: have to realize that, no matter what, when alcohol is involved,
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  Speaker 1: the situations are always heightened and they're never as accurate
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  Speaker 1: as they would be if you were sober. So oh
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  Speaker 1: for sure, That's why it's hard. It's always always being
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  Speaker 1: control of yourself. I think that's the biggest lesson from
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  Speaker 1: all of these stories. No matter what, whether you're being
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  Speaker 1: peer pressured, whether you think it's cool, any of that,
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  Speaker 1: you can always fake drinking. And I think that's one
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  Speaker 1: of the biggest things. Even if you're rushing for a
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  Speaker 1: fraternity anything, you could always fake it. Yeah, like you
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  Speaker 1: like you're never and you're also not like you do
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  Speaker 1: not have to consume the alcohol if you do not want.
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  Speaker 5: To, do you guys have like at your age, like
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  Speaker 5: I do remember saying this to my kids, but like
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  Speaker 5: being so scared that like especially Rachel was gonna get
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  Speaker 5: like somebody's gonna slip something in her drink. You know,
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: cover your drink when you walk away or always I
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  Speaker 5: mean and now too, I mean whatever is in the city.
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  Speaker 5: But also like I would always just don't you can't
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  Speaker 5: leave alone. No, I mean that's like the.
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  Speaker 1: Buddy system that was always like freshman year, I feel
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: like that was so stilled. But even now, it doesn't
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: matter how old you are, Like walking home anywhere alone,
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  Speaker 1: you should always go back with somebody and because you
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: never know what could happen.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I have all those They didn't have the stuff
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  Speaker 5: back in my day. Like I don't remember every college
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  Speaker 5: tour we went on with both my kids. I saw
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: the blue light right like exactly, like where to probably
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: were talking about that where to press the blue light,
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  Speaker 5: And they talked about if you ever anywhere, you could
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: call campus security to pick you up. Yeah, right, like
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: that was like a huge thing at all. We visited
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: a lot of colleges. Yeah, I don't know if we
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: had that when I was in college. Which is great.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's good that they're like making these things to
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: like people safer, but also how much is still happening.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it really is. I didn't know before this, I
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: didn't realize so much of this.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't re say, I haven't heard of anything in
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: a while.
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  Speaker 2: I know. I think that's very sad.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all these stories are very sad. I think the
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: biggest takeaway is to always be in control. You don't
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: have to do anything you want to do. Yeah, and
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: just never feel pressured.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and definitely like don't peer pressure other peoples, especially
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: when it comes to drinking, Like that's not something anyone
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: should be doing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you always have a choice. Of course, you know,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: you can have fun with alcohol, but I also alcohol
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: is also the devil. Yeah, can nothing good to ever have?
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: This is like my mom always nothing good ever happens
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  Speaker 1: after twelve.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, wait, that's what my mom told me angering up
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  Speaker 3: to listen.
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: This is a lot of this what we talked about,
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: it's just stupidity.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: A lot of it is evil.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: Punching someone in that chest like that feels it's all alleged, but.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: You know, being in a violent relationship with somebody and
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: has alcohol problems, like you always you know, if you
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: have a bad feeling, if you have something deep down
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: telling you, like, always.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Believe your gut always.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like you're instinct, because nine times out of ten
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: it's correct. Just you know, if you ever need help,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: just contact somebody, Contact somebody that you trust. But there's
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: there's always another way.
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: Just and it's not they guess what being in a
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: fraternity and sorty is not. And we're doing a we
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: have a podcast called Dirty Rush so because we loved
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: Greek life and story life. But it is not the
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: end all be all. There are more important things and
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: you know, no, I just think about again, like Sammy
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: and ZBT, like it was ZBT was known that if
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: you're gonna pledge, you can get the speed out of
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: you and like Sammy was like not as rough. Like
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: I don't know, I'd want my kid to pick the
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: one where it was not going to be as rough.
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: But yeah, scary stuff. You guys, well, happily you guys
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: are also both out of college, so don't have to worry.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean too.
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