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Fact Checking The Misplaced Dodgers Hysteria, Oh And Sports Media Remains Unhinged · The Regulars

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  Holy shit. A trade deadline has come and gone.
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  People are pissed, and wrongly so. Holy hell.
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  So many people are showing their ass today, Tanya. Oh my God. And I really
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  can't wait to talk about it. I'm Cody Decker. I am Tanya Rae Fox.
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  We're about to talk so much baseball and so much media shit.
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  Let's do this. So.
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  Welcome all. It is a Monday night. You're in the right place around
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  friends. And frankly, if you're all pissed off, you're in the right place. If you're
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  in a bad mood or a good mood, you're in the right place. Just grab
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  yourself a drink with your buddies and let's get ready to talk a shit ton
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  of sports. Yeah, Tanya, this is one of those rare days where
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  we're not going to shoot too much of the shit. We're just going to get
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  right fucking into it. Oh yeah, because there's actually like too much fucking sports and
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  I dig it. And this is— I, this— I made sure I went back and
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  kind of did my research because there was only a couple times this could have
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  happened. Yeah, this is first time in the
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  Regulars history that we are opening the show with baseball.
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  Oh, baby. Baseball's back, baby.
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  We have a podcast, a very good podcast
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  with a former professional baseball player as a co-host,
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  and we rarely get to lead with the baseball. So actually,
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  we are getting into it. You and I have both spent the
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  majority of the last couple of days talking baseball on our
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  various platforms and then also on social media, I'm sure.
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  I've had to engage in my comments a lot on
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  my Tarik Skubal Dodgers video. I mean, it's— I
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  don't know. I don't understand the take people have right now.
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  It is absolutely mind-numbing because it's
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  unreal. I actually— I told people, if you want,
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  we— what we're going to do is for the first segment of
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  this show, it is going to be dedicated to getting the
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  facts straight. Yes. And, uh, either confirming or
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  debunking the most popular of all the takes,
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  uh, around social media, both for media and a lot of fans
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  who, by the way, aren't always at fault for their bad takes because they're getting
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  misinformation from other media sources, from people
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  who don't quite understand the business of baseball. Uh, because believe it or
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  not, some people who talk about sports for a living don't
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  talk about baseball that often. No. And they have no idea what they're talking about.
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  They don't know what they're talking about. Now, I'm not one of those. You are
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  not. You are not. But you are one of the very few
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  that truly— how do I put this— does research. So this is going
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  to be very fun. Yeah. And it helps that ever since I came into the
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  business, I was covering the— I was covering baseball as well. Yeah,
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  that was the lucky thing about me, Cody, is I was covering— I was— well,
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  that's what I'm saying. I was always covering all 4
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  of the major men's sports leagues, like, frequently. Right. So I
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  never— I was never, like, out of the loop on any of those. If anything,
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  I had to get into, like, other— like, I had to get into women's sports
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  and whatever because I spent so much time in these leagues. Yeah. But I give
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  you an example. I said you're from Boston. I mean that as an actual compliment
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  to this, because despite the horrible reputation that your fan base
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  does have and a lot of it rightfully deserved. Yeah. I will say as a
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  whole, when it comes to sports fans, I've always found Boston fans to be some
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  of the most informed sports fans when it comes to actual leagues and sometimes,
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  only sometimes, realistic nature of what their franchise actually is.
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  When they're good, they like to be assholes about it. When they're bad, they're very
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  honest that their team is bad. Yeah, I think actually in baseball,
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  and we're going to get into this, we might as well just kind of kick
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  off headline one. In baseball, a lot of times
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  fans of premier organizations,
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  big market teams, and also teams with
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  that not only have a lot of revenue but have the capability
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  of having a high payroll, fans of those teams are actually a lot more
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  realistic because there's— they've been— there's a proven
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  route for how you can be successful. You see it, whatever. The small
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  market teams with the owners that don't spend money but gaslight the fuck out
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  of them, yeah, that's, that's where things get tough. And I see the gaslighting,
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  and a lot of them will admit it too, but a lot of them just
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  can't see it. So Let's talk. Let's talk a little bit about this. Let's get
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  in the nitty-gritty. So just full transparency, if— unless you're living under a rock,
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  uh, Tarik Skubal was the very first domino to drop in this trade
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  deadline, which, by the way, this fucking trade deadline was bonkers. I was
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  shocked. Bonkers. I fucking love it. I don't know. I mean,
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  obviously the impending lockout is a big part of this. Yes.
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  Um, but like Passan had been saying, I don't know if this is going to
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  affect people being moved or not? Like, is it going to like
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  stop moves from happening? Or, you know, it was the opposite. They were like,
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  we're going to offload whoever if we don't think we're going to contend,
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  which a lot of these teams don't. Yeah, then we're going to offload everybody.
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  And so like, it's, it's pretty wild because we now have evidence
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  about of the like 8 teams that think they can win a title. Yep.
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  Chicago White Sox, Chicago Cubs, Los Angeles
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  Dodgers, obviously Boston Red Sox went all in on
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  that. Pirates went in a little bit. Brewers dipped their toes.
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  Padres went in late because who am I to ever fucking doubt AJ Preller
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  going in? Because that's what that motherfucker does. Yeah. So those are— oh,
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  and Tampa Bay Rays with Peralta. But like, which was interesting.
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  But I will say this all started with one very, very specific thing. This all
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  started with the name Tarik Skubal, the big name that
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  we knew was going to be dealt. So here's the thing. Tarik Skubal went on
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  Saturday night. 2 days before the trade deadline for
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  3 good prospects. I want to make this abundantly clear, they're all good prospects,
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  uh, except one is fresh off of Tommy John surgery. He's 27 years old,
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  he's just coming back right now, but he's been in AAA. He only has a
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  cup of coffee in Major League Baseball. River Ryan, another younger guy, 21 years
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  old, another pitcher who's apparently pretty good, sits around upper 90s. Cool.
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  And then the number one guy— well, not the number one guy, but the number
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  one guy, the, the piece in this trade that they really wanted— Zaire Hope,
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  who is a power-hitting monster. He's 20. He has 23 home runs. Zaire Hope.
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  Zaire Hope. He's in AA. Is he Black? He is sick.
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  He's fucking good. He's really good. He's hitting .233 in— .293
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  in AA Tulsa. The Texas League is not an easy league to hit in.
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  I played in that for 2 years. And I also have
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  heard that about— Yeah, it's a tough league to hit in. It is. And then
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  he's got 23 homers in that league right now. Yeah. So huge, huge pickup.
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  Here's the thing. He's the Dodgers' 5th prospect. The Dodgers didn't even have to give
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  up their top 4 prospects. It was only 3 guys they gave up, only with
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  1 month of service time in Major League Baseball. I couldn't believe how
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  cheap they fucking got him. It was like, I was blown away. I was like,
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  dude, I, I would have thrown in something to outbid the Dodgers.
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  No one wanted to at least drive the Dodgers' price up? How did this happen
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  on Saturday night? I feel like you and I could have put in a bid
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  for, a bid for Terrance I'm like, fucking blown away. Like, I'll give
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  you my Cadillac and yeah, you can babysit Franklin. We'll give
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  him— you get Mocha and a player to be named later. Mocha, you're going to
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  Detroit, baby. Like, no. So this was— I'm not going to lie to you.
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  This was fucking wild. I couldn't believe what they got him for. And then— but
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  then it happened. Like the inevitable meltdown. Yeah, the meltdown that happened.
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  We need this. We need a salary cap now. Tarik Skubal got traded for 3
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  prospects. What fucking salary cap? Yeah, well, this didn't affect any salary cap. Oh,
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  and we're going to like— we are literally going to break this down piece by
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  piece, the salary cap of it. All of it. We'll start with exactly what you
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  just mentioned, which is the Dodgers being cast as this major
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  villain, which you— this is not new. No, this is something that's been happening for
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  the last 2 years, but also specifically this season heading into lockout
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  looming. Right. And in this article
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  from CBS Sports, they wrote, the Dodgers aren't the biggest
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  villains in the Tarek Skubal trade. The cowardly teams who let it happen are.
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  And that is something that you and I have repeatedly said. So I thought,
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  okay, what a perfect article to draw from. It represents how we feel about
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  this. Starts out, and I love this.
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  The Brewers had the best record in baseball last season.
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  They've made the playoffs 7 of the last 8 seasons, winning the
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  NL Central each of the past 3 seasons and 4 of the last 5.
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  They are cruising to yet another division title, and they were
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  swept by the Dodgers in the NLCS last season. They haven't made the World
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  Series since becoming an NL team. They are one of the 5 MLB teams to
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  never win the World Series. It was If there was ever
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  a moment absolutely screaming for the Brewers to do absolutely whatever
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  it took to not only acquire Skubal but to make sure the Dodgers didn't,
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  this was it. Where were they? The prospect package the Dodgers
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  gave up was light and easily something the Brewers could have handled.
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  As Dodgers manager Dave Roberts said on Sunday night, there's nothing that we
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  did that no one else could have done. And I realize that there are
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  people who are listening to this who are going to They're going to run through
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  a laundry list of reasons that their team couldn't do it.
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  They're going to continue to say that regardless of the fact that, as you just
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  mentioned, as Dave Roberts pointed out, and as this writer of this article pointed
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  out, almost every single team in baseball could
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  have put together that package. By the way, this is written by Matt Snyder.
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  I want to— so I'm just telling you right now, this was— I was
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  blown away how little the package was. Yes. I was blown away.
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  If you have ever felt, as you and I have, if anybody
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  has ever felt that perhaps the owners are colluding
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  to just let the Dodgers have all the
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  best players in baseball that are available on trades and free agency,
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  this did not help disabuse you of that
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  notion. Really didn't. In fact, I— all it set off alarm bells.
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  By the way, I've been saying this exact thing for people are really coming around
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  to it now. No, you've been on it since far before the show started.
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  Yes, like I have been screaming this from the mountaintops. I'm glad
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  you've all made it. We were talking about it in preseason, you were talking about
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  it in pitchers and catchers. Yeah, I'm glad you all see it now because to
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  me this has been obvious and I've been saying this for so long so you
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  guys can recognize what's happening step by step, and each step has just
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  been further and further into that direction. Yeah, so this to the point where this
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  one was so fucking blatant that I'm like, you got to be kidding. Look what
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  Adley Rutschman just went for. Adley Rutschman just went for
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  a significantly better package than Tarik Skubal.
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  Huh? Fucking what? Huh? Now, granted, that was an inter— intra-division
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  situation. Sure, I'll give you that. You know, and so I will
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  say, like, for sure you can't be giving up,
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  uh, into another division rival for
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  less than what— but point taken. And not— and certainly is
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  not an argument against it. What we're going to do now, Cody, is we are
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  going to fact-check each of the most common arguments that we've been seeing across
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  social media comments, questions regarding Skubal, the Dodgers, and MLB business.
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  Bring it. Okay, bring it. Number 1, I'm going to read this to you as
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  a quote because these are things that people have said directly on the internet,
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  both to me and just to the ether. Okay, let's hear it. The Dodgers
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  are the only team that can do this because of ownership wealth,
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  revenue, TV deal, the $66 million per year break they get on their TV
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  deal taxes plus contract deferments.
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  Okay. Okay. Okay. So let's start with the idea
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  of their just overall wealth, revenue, and that TV deal.
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  Okay. We— I did a little bit of research
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  and I'm glad you did about this. In 2012,
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  the Yankees, the Yankees' entire salary,
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  their, you know, their payroll was about $200
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  and $20-something million.
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  That adjusted for inflation in 2026 is about $326
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  million, which would be the highest payroll in baseball and would outpace
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  the Dodgers by about $14 million. Sure would. In 2026. Yes.
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  We have seen exorbitant payrolls, deferments or
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  not, luxury taxes or not, however you want to fucking
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  do this. Many times across the course of the, of MLB history, the Dodgers
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  payroll right now is not even the most exorbitant payroll we've seen in the last
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  15 years. Nope. Okay.
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  Talk about the TV deal a little bit and whether or
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  not people have a fair point about the fact that the Dodgers, between their revenue
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  of over $1 billion in revenue and their TV deal,
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  have a leg up in what they're allowed to spend. I'll give you
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  on the revenue aspect, because you are right, the Dodgers made a lot of revenue
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  last year, but that's also a business and their business is booming and thriving.
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  So them making $1 billion in revenue— don't we kind of
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  assume that revenue is tied to success? Because I did notice that the Astros,
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  when they won their first World Series in 2017, were 13th in league
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  revenue. And by the time they won again, they were 4th.
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  Yeah. So we think that that's an accident. No, attendance is up all around.
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  Ticket sales are up. Let's see, TV ratings are up. International superstars.
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  International superstars. They're— oh my God. I don't know
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  if you guys know this, but Dodger Stadium is now called Uniqlo Field at Dodger
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  Stadium. Do you have any idea how much Uniqlo paid for that? Because I
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  don't. I bet it's astronomical. I bet it's fucking astronomical.
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  The first time they are finding revenue streams that they're creating,
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  revenue streams that have— I mean, revenue over $1 billion for a baseball team
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  is unheard of. So I apologize that because you are right, they made
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  $1 billion in revenue because they have an amazing product.
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  They also do have to acknowledge that like a significant
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  part of it is Shohei Ohtani. A significant— this would happen. This would happen
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  to revenue for Philly. For New York, for Boston, or for Chicago,
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  or for San Francisco, in all these other major markets,
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  the revenue would soar to this degree. And all it would actually— Uniqlo
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  deal doesn't happen without showing up in New York. Also, by the way, Shohei Ohtani
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  comes. Who's to say Yamamoto's here? Who's to say Rocky Sasaki's here?
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  So yes, sometimes every once in a while, a generational superstar
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  with that sort of worldwide appeal is going to fall into your lap
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  100%. And yes, That is an unfair advantage if you think
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  so. I think it's been unfair that some people get to have LeBron
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  on their team. Yeah. I mean, it's— I think it's unfair that the Patriots had
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  Bill Belichick and Tom Brady on the same team for 20 years. Some shit's just
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  fucking unfair. Like, I got nothing else to say for you. Yeah. This is a
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  brand that has been a well-run organization as
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  far as a business is concerned. Because here's one thing, as much as we
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  want to say, oh, Shohei Ohtani just prints that money. Sure as shit wasn't printing
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  the money in Anaheim. Yeah, he was doing the same shit in Anaheim and
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  it wasn't nearly as important. The Dodgers took something that was working and said,
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  okay, we're going to create a fucking multibillion-dollar empire off
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  this one guy. Something the Angels could have fucking done, by the
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  way. But great fucking point. Where was all of this revenue and
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  all of this absolute superstardom around Shohei Ohtani, who was a fucking star
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  and an MVP-caliber player playing with another MVP as
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  well, by the way? No, crickets.
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  Perfect. Okay, great. So just so we're all clear, the Dodgers are better
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  at doing business than every other team, right? So, okay,
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  that's a leg up. Fine. I'll just say sure. And $66 million
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  that they don't pay in taxes on this TV deal for the duration of this
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  TV deal is fucking pocket change to, by the way, not just to the
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  Dodgers, to every billionaire. I know the billionaires.
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  It's the dumbest argument. They also sign themselves up for massive luxury
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  tax. By the way, Jun Lee said that, and I like Jun Lee's work,
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  and I was blown away by this. I'm like, June Lee,
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  you think the Dodgers have a leg up because of $66 million?
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  They're worth $7.8 billion. Don't they?
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  That's like, that's like finding a $2 bill in your pocket, except maybe
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  not. A $2 bill might be more expensive. Like, it's— don't they pay like $46
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  million on luxury tax for Shohei Ohtani's fucking contract regardless of the fact
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  that he's paying $2 million every year? So like, yeah, they pay his— they pay
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  his payroll. His payroll is $2 million this year. But the luxury tax hit
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  is fucking crazy and they don't care because they're making billions. So like,
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  they're good business. So those 2 arguments are just, by the way, so fucking stupid.
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  $66 million in savings on a TV deal would,
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  would barely make a difference for the fucking Cincinnati Reds, let alone Dodgers.
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  And by the way, the Cincinnati Reds, who their main owner worth $600 million,
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  I agree, other 23 owners of the Cincinnati Reds. So like,
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  fucking shut up. Yeah, we don't even know Who fucking owns them at this point?
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  Maybe I do. You might. All right, next one.
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  We don't need to pretend the Dodgers ownership isn't wealthier than the Tigers.
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  So in the conversation around the fact that the Tigers didn't keep Tarik
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  Skubal, we've got a lot of people saying, what are you know, at the end
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  of the day, they don't have Dodgers money. Cody, would you like to know
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  where the Ilitch Family Holdings Group
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  ranks among owners in MLB wealth? I don't know where
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  it ranks, but I— let me just go through the list off the top of
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  my head of what I know. Okay. They own Little Caesars Pizza.
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  They own the Detroit Red Wings. They own significant
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  real estate downtown Detroit. They own 2 of the major
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  venues in Detroit where concerts are done. And that's only a
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  couple of them. And I think I'm probably forgetting one of the biggest ones.
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  Yeah, well, they also have a casino thing, which I think they're not allowed to
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  use that money toward MLB, but whatever. So you got it all.
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  They are, by most estimations, the 5th wealthiest
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  team ownership group, team, whatever. I'm actually shocked it's not higher.
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  And the only reason it's not higher is because they
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  have the— they've been leapfrogged by the Dodgers. They were one of them,
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  right? So the Dodgers are 2nd or 3rd, depending.
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  Steve Cohen is worth $23 billion. Not to mention the Yankees still have
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  a brand that is very, very significant. So, so Steve Cohen's
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  worth more than most owners across all sports, even like it.
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  So, okay, they don't have nearly the wealth
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  of the Dodgers. They actually literally do. They're actually one of the few teams
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  that literally do. Yep. And so we're not doing that.
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  Insane. Another insane, insane idea. This is all
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  right. Oh, you're going to love this one. Quote, this is all on Scott Boras.
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  He was never going to let Skubal sign with the Tigers. Scooble didn't actually
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  ever intend on staying in Detroit, and there's nothing the Tigers could have done.
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  They offered him an extension in 2024 and he turned it down.
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  Okay. This is on Scott Boras. Oh, the Scott Boras slander.
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  Like, like, I cannot tell you how many people— what the fuck is it on
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  Scott Boras? Because Scott, in their minds, Scott Boras as
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  an agent, as a hawk, would never have allowed
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  Tarek's— he was always going to want him to hit free agency. The— hit the
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  market and get as much as he possibly could from whoever was the highest bidder.
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  That's what Scott Boras does. Okay, well, that's actually not what Scott Boras does,
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  because if that was what Scott Boras does— did— if that's all he did,
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  literally anybody could be Scott Boras, you fucking dumb fucks. Secondly,
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  secondly, they're like, oh wow, what a fucking— what a theory.
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  Secondly, um, Scott Boras has— he
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  has a, a player on about 13
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  different teams that I could find. So he's, he's not just
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  bringing people to the Dodgers and the Yankees. He's got a player on the Rockies.
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  He's got a player on the, on the Orioles. He's got 2 players on the
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  Diamondbacks. Shut the fuck up. So that's not the issue. Tarik Skubal
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  would never have stayed in Detroit. That's interesting because Scott
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  Boras also has signed players to extensions
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  with their preexisting teams. Stephen Strasburg,
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  Xander Bogaerts, big contracts. Okay, so we've got that out of
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  the way. They offered him an extension in 2024
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  and he turned it down. That extension was fucking pathetic.
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  It was like $100 million. It was. It was low. It was very low.
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  It was an actual joke. A like, like a middle
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  finger of an offer. Yep. So yeah, the best agent
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  in baseball didn't accept the lowball offer that the Tigers only
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  gave so that you dumb fucks would say stuff like that. Also,
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  um, an agent is not a front office,
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  or trades happen between fucking teams.
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  Like, yes, but just so we're clear, you think Scott Boras
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  is so powerful, yeah, that he were, were to influence
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  the fucking Detroit Tigers to
• 20:13
  take a lesser deal than
• 20:17
  they could have gotten Because
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  Scott Boras wants him to be on the Dodgers.
• 20:25
  Fucking why? He's not— how?
• 20:28
  He never got— what? Not getting paid by the Dodgers. He's not. He didn't sign
• 20:32
  a new contract. And by the way, they're going to be in a lockout next
• 20:34
  year. So Scott Boras benefits. The best thing that could happen for Scott Boras is
• 20:37
  that his team, that Scuba wins a title and it's just more expensive by the
• 20:41
  time he hits free agency. But like, okay, he could— that's, that's— come
• 20:45
  on now. But it's not really going to make that much. It's, it's, it's,
• 20:48
  it's drops of water in the ocean at this point. He's won 2 straight Cy
• 20:51
  Youngs. He's fucking expensive. Yeah, like, I don't know what to say.
• 20:54
  He's expensive and they're offering stupid money. So the—
• 20:58
  there's— this is an issue across sports, Cody, but specifically
• 21:02
  with Scott Boras in the MLB, is that the— this idea
• 21:07
  that these greedy agents are manipulating
• 21:11
  everybody to get them— their job is to get their
• 21:15
  player the most money possible in the situation that their player wants to be in.
• 21:18
  Also, there's no money involved in this. The billions millionaires are
• 21:22
  not getting taken advantage, advantage of in
• 21:25
  these negotiations. They have more lawyers.
• 21:28
  You have to remember, they're richer with more lawyers than Scott Boris.
• 21:32
  As rich as Scott Boris is, he's not nearly as rich as the fucking Ilitch
• 21:36
  family, okay? You guys have got to stop being so
• 21:39
  worried about the greedy millionaires when the billionaires are on the other side
• 21:43
  of the table. You've got to chill. Yep. I promise you, Scott Boris is not
• 21:46
  sitting at home twiddling his thumbs with sitting
• 21:49
  on a stack of $10 billion that we don't know about.
• 21:52
  Next quote: Haven't the salary caps in the other major
• 21:56
  sports made it so that teams can be more competitive and faster? There are
• 22:00
  more talent to go— there's more talent to go around because nobody can just acquire
• 22:04
  it and build a dynasty. Pro teams have a short window if they get their
• 22:07
  draft development and trades/additions right. Isn't that better
• 22:11
  for the fans? So first of all,
• 22:14
  Which league are we talking about that doesn't have dynasties?
• 22:17
  Because haven't we just gotten out of— so the basketball is literally
• 22:22
  dynasty after dynasty after dynasty. Now this last couple years you have
• 22:26
  more parity, but not because the salary cap was new. But I didn't know the
• 22:29
  salary cap's been around, so I don't know what the fuck that's all about.
• 22:31
  Um, the NFL, y'all, boy, boy, no dynasties there.
• 22:35
  Directly from the Patriots to the Chiefs, 3 teams that have won championships in the
• 22:39
  last fucking 20 years. Um, and, uh, Hockey's got,
• 22:42
  got some parity for sure. But the part of that is also just that like
• 22:46
  hockey, but the nature of hockey is that like there's so much fucking injury.
• 22:50
  That's just fucking insane. And by the way, the Dodgers are the ones— and by
• 22:53
  the way, hockey also has dynasties. By the way, there's only been 2 teams ever
• 22:56
  to win 3 championships in a row in Major League Baseball. Dodgers are going after
• 22:59
  something very, very historic right now. There's more parity in— so it's just there's more
• 23:02
  parity in baseball than there's ever been in the NBA or the MLB.
• 23:07
  I'm sorry, the NBA or the NFL, there's more parity by far.
• 23:10
  Yeah, it's just not even a question. It's just ridiculous. Um, the idea that,
• 23:14
  that, uh, you know,
• 23:19
  a salary cap would in some way, shape, or form stop
• 23:23
  bad teams from operating poorly and stop good teams from figuring out
• 23:27
  a way to operate at their highest levels isn't true because we see it
• 23:30
  in the NFL and the MLB. We see or the
• 23:33
  NFL and the NBA, we see teams like the Golden State Warriors,
• 23:36
  teams like the pre-private equity Celtics run
• 23:41
  really well all the time. We see that the Kansas City Chiefs operate at
• 23:45
  a higher level than, I don't know, the Oakland Raiders, right? Like, this is—
• 23:49
  no matter what system you put them in, they're going to be operating better because
• 23:53
  they're run better. Yep. Okay,
• 23:56
  next. So far, not one argument has fucking even made a
• 24:00
  dent. So, right, this one you are gonna love. Oh,
• 24:04
  I can't wait. The Brewers and the most mid
• 24:08
  and small market teams absolutely do not have the financial capacity
• 24:11
  to do what the Dodgers are doing. The Brewers' valuation
• 24:15
  is $6 billion less than the Dodgers. Their revenue is a little over $600 million
• 24:19
  less than the Dodgers. The Dodgers are willing to take paper losses and run
• 24:23
  almost 3 times the amount of ticket sales than the Brewers. The Brewers offering over
• 24:27
  $1 billion in contracts would equal damn near 3 years of their revenue stream,
• 24:31
  whereas that ability of the Dodgers to do so is eating up only 18 months'
• 24:34
  worth. So the idea is here is that the Brewers, no matter
• 24:38
  how you break down the finances, simply could not possibly operate like
• 24:42
  the Dodgers. Now what's interesting, Cody, I don't know if you noticed,
• 24:46
  but they have the same number of wins right now, the Dodgers
• 24:49
  and the Brewers. Sure do. They're the same. Yeah,
• 24:53
  exact fucking same. Yeah, actually, actually, but it's funny is
• 24:57
  They're also ahead of the Dodgers by a half game from their current record.
• 24:59
  Yeah, perfect. So the Brewers have the best record. Brewers have the best record in
• 25:03
  baseball, the best record in the NL, right? Yep. And they,
• 25:07
  they also, by the way, had it last year. Right now, they did get
• 25:10
  crushed in the playoffs by the Dodgers. 0-4. Okay. But as
• 25:15
  it stands right now, they are as competitive as any team in
• 25:19
  baseball by having brought up like,
• 25:22
  you know, they, they adjusted some of their prospect building, you know,
• 25:25
  their pitching and all that stuff and figuring out how to make their facilities better
• 25:29
  about 7 years ago. They've been doing pretty well building very good competitive
• 25:33
  rosters. And then the Brewers decide that they're not making the move to
• 25:37
  put them over the top. Right. We saw there was that move in— what was
• 25:40
  it, 2008 that they made with CC Sabathia? Right. Best move they've ever
• 25:44
  made. It was the first time I'd ever been excited for the Brewers. Right.
• 25:47
  Hasn't happened since. And we know what it looks like
• 25:50
  when a team is there, but they need to get over the hump. They need
• 25:52
  the pieces to get over the hump. We have literally seen it 1,000 times,
• 25:55
  have we not? Why? Why are we talking about the Brewers
• 25:59
  having to have the valuation and the revenue of the Dodgers to compete
• 26:03
  when they're competing in the regular season with the Dodgers without any of that?
• 26:07
  Am I missing something? No. Am I missing where they
• 26:11
  need $1 billion in revenue to compete because they have 69, 70 wins? What are
• 26:15
  they at? They seem to be competing right now. They have 69 wins. Like,
• 26:17
  what are we fucking talking about? No, they can't compete. So you're telling
• 26:21
  me that they couldn't possibly have afforded 3 prospects?
• 26:26
  No, can't compete, Cody. They didn't
• 26:31
  even have to give him a contract. They can't compete.
• 26:35
  3 prospects is just too much money. Okay.
• 26:38
  Even though it's not any money for the Brewers. Final one. Yep.
• 26:42
  Sure, the Mets have the same payroll as the Dodgers, actually more, and have
• 26:46
  virtually no deferrals on their payroll compared to the Dodgers with over $1 billion.
• 26:50
  The Dodgers payroll is not accurately reflected until you account for
• 26:53
  the absolutely enormous deferrals. So their
• 26:57
  payroll doesn't count because a bunch of money is deferred. So does
• 27:00
  that mean the luxury tax that they're paying doesn't exist? It does exist. It still
• 27:04
  exists even if they— with the deferrals. Yes. Even, even though they get Shohei Ohtani
• 27:08
  for $2 million a year and they pay all the luxury tax. Yes. They have
• 27:11
  to pay that all down. Right. So this is asserting that
• 27:15
  no matter what, They still have a more luxurious,
• 27:19
  deep, amazing roster on a,
• 27:22
  on a payroll similar to the Mets because they've done the deferrals. Now, do you
• 27:26
  know why they— the Mets don't have deferrals, deferred contracts?
• 27:30
  Why is that? Well, there's really 2 guesses. I'm going
• 27:34
  to guess one of them. One is the Yankees version, which is they just don't
• 27:36
  offer them. They would prefer to upfront pay what they're paying.
• 27:39
  They don't want to engage with deferred contracts because there are issues on
• 27:43
  the back end. The other is that players won't
• 27:47
  agree to them. Mostly with that part, I thought you were going to say because
• 27:50
  they've been embarrassed year in and year out. That's the best, the funniest deferred contract.
• 27:54
  Well, I mean, the Bobby Bonilla thing, but like, I think more than anything,
• 27:57
  why would you accept deferred money? Most guys don't want— they don't want
• 28:01
  deferred money. The Dodgers get deferred money, and I think the guys are trying to
• 28:04
  skirt it. Like, I don't know if this is even legal, uh, because they can
• 28:07
  get their money deferred and they move— they move out of California so it's not
• 28:09
  taxed as much. But I don't think that's actually No. And I— and, you know,
• 28:13
  that was a theory. Like, Shohei deciding to do this is like,
• 28:17
  again, you— if you have a really well-run business, you can get
• 28:20
  Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes to take really huge discounted contracts.
• 28:24
  Yeah, they're taking them because they play for such well-run organizations and
• 28:29
  they want to win that they will do that and they make money. The Mets
• 28:32
  have not earned that credit. Not even a little. Not even a little. But what
• 28:35
  I will say, Cody, what I will say If we're going to keep talking about
• 28:38
  wealth, if Steve Cohen doesn't
• 28:42
  want to do or cannot do deferments, he could,
• 28:46
  he could do everything that the Dodgers are doing twice over,
• 28:50
  twice over, and still have money left
• 28:54
  over to say, just fuck you, throw a fuck you party to the Dodgers.
• 28:57
  Sure could. He has so much more money than the Dodgers in his personal
• 29:01
  checking account, like, than the Dodgers. Are higher ownership than
• 29:05
  they're worth. Yeah, he could have a $700 million payroll
• 29:10
  and pay for all of the fucking luxury taxes. Sure could.
• 29:14
  And he would still be richer than most of these motherfuckers
• 29:18
  combined. I don't care about the deferments.
• 29:22
  There are— that, like, what are we doing anymore? You're going to tell
• 29:26
  me the Mets don't have a leg up on the Dodgers if they don't want
• 29:29
  it? The Mets have a leg up on the fuck— on, on on
• 29:33
  the fucking Yankees, on the Cowboys. They can give the Clippers a
• 29:37
  run for their money. Yeah. Like, holy fuck. Not really. Ballmer's worth that much.
• 29:42
  Ballmer's like actually worth like 3 fucking Steve Cohens. I think he's
• 29:45
  worth like, yeah, $85 billion. Yeah, something insane. But like, let's be fucking
• 29:49
  real. Like, Steve Cohen's $25 billion is not small. I just want to make that
• 29:52
  about— No, it is not. It's very big. So what I find is really fascinating
• 29:57
  is like, well, he doesn't have the deferments. He could have a payroll twice the
• 30:01
  size of any of these people. He could have the payroll literally the the price
• 30:04
  of owner— like full teams if he wanted to. Like, he could pay
• 30:08
  all the luxury taxes. No deferments are only going to work
• 30:11
  occasionally with these types of players. But like, people like,
• 30:15
  okay, I'm sorry. Once again, at the end of the day, here's the thing.
• 30:18
  Just simply not making— do we think that the Dodgers couldn't just
• 30:21
  be like, if you really want to be honest, they could be paying Shohei $70
• 30:25
  million right now a year. It would change almost nothing.
• 30:28
  They'd still— they'd be the first highest payroll instead of the second highest payroll.
• 30:32
  Yeah. What's your fucking point? It doesn't matter. And by the way, the Dodgers payroll,
• 30:36
  even though technically right now, if you count all the luxury taxes and everything right
• 30:40
  now, they're high. They're actually the highest payroll right now, but it's by 15%.
• 30:43
  And the second one would be the Mets. They're the closest to them.
• 30:47
  That being said, 15% discrepancy is not all that
• 30:51
  crazy. Can I give you an example? 2005. You know what it was between the
• 30:54
  Yankees and the second team then? What? 70 fucking percent.
• 30:58
  70%. 70%. 70%. 7-0.
• 31:01
  7D, 7%. So just so
• 31:05
  we're clear, that was 2000 fucking 5. The idea that— the idea
• 31:09
  that the Dodgers are this like boogeyman entity
• 31:12
  that the— that Major League Baseball has never seen when we lived through the
• 31:16
  Yankees absolutely just fucking demolishing
• 31:21
  an entire decade, just so much
• 31:24
  more money spent than anybody could. And then there'd be a few teams that would
• 31:28
  come in to compete like the Red Sox. Like the sometimes the
• 31:32
  Mets or the Giants or whoever the fuck was sometimes the Phillies later
• 31:36
  on in the, you know, by the way, the Yankees did lose some of those
• 31:39
  World Series. They lost to the Diamondbacks. They lost to
• 31:43
  the fucking Marlins. They lost to the— I
• 31:47
  mean, I just lost to the Red Sox. I just told you about that,
• 31:49
  that 2012 team with a $220-something million
• 31:53
  payroll in 2012. What did they fucking do in 2012? They definitely didn't
• 31:57
  win the World Series, I can tell you that much. Don't remember, but they didn't
• 32:00
  win the World Series. So I know who won it the next year though.
• 32:03
  It was the Boston Red Sox, also spending a shit ton. And then all hell
• 32:07
  broke loose after that. Yeah, well, then they won another one. Yes. And then,
• 32:12
  then, yeah. Okay. And then, yeah, you guys got 4.
• 32:16
  Shut up. Yeah. So, um, how does everybody feel about,
• 32:20
  you know, how are you feeling about the, the— we hit all the points you
• 32:23
  wanted to hit. It's just, it's just— is there any other major points? There isn't.
• 32:26
  It's just you guys they're mad that they got them. I, I get that.
• 32:29
  I get that. That fucking makes sense. I, you know, I think it is— I
• 32:32
  will say, to people's credit, I do think that they are genuinely frustrated because
• 32:37
  they are given so much misinformation about what these owners
• 32:40
  are capable of. Oh my God, they're capable. Genuinely feel like
• 32:43
  this is— they're not seeing the bigger picture. And even people, like you
• 32:47
  said, in the media, even June Lee, see, some of these people are like falling
• 32:49
  for these little like traps, these bait traps that are being
• 32:53
  set by owners and the people who— and, and GMs and the people who are
• 32:57
  trying to like control the narrative. And the reality, the reality is that
• 33:02
  you could take the Dodgers, like take, take everything
• 33:06
  else that they do and look at it because we just
• 33:10
  saw, we just saw what they gave up. This very much feels like Luka
• 33:14
  going to the Lakers. This feels like Adelson allowing
• 33:19
  his team, like You don't understand. Like, that didn't have to happen.
• 33:22
  Private equity didn't have to let Jaylen Brown just go to the fucking Sixers.
• 33:26
  These teams don't give a fuck. You need to understand. And then when
• 33:30
  teams do, they have such a massive advantage. The just giving a fuck
• 33:34
  and wanting to spend your money and wanting your team to become a source of
• 33:37
  actual revenue is such a leg up. Remember how— remember when those Padres,
• 33:41
  you know, the small market Padres sold for $4 billion and people are like,
• 33:44
  well, they had to take out a loan to make their payroll 2 years
• 33:48
  ago. Do you remember that time that small market Padres team sold
• 33:52
  for $4 billion? Yeah. Fuck how you're paying your
• 33:56
  payroll. You sold for $4 billion. By the way,
• 33:59
  borrow, borrow on the net worth of your $4 billion.
• 34:03
  Borrow on the net worth of your $2 billion or $6 billion. Like, what is
• 34:06
  this? It's a business. Run your business. Every other business
• 34:10
  is like— and meanwhile, I've got people telling me that
• 34:14
  the owner of the fucking Brewers can't afford, can't afford this, right?
• 34:18
  That's so interesting because the, the owner of the Brewers went
• 34:23
  and bought a majority stake in Norwich City, an English Premier League
• 34:27
  team. Oh, interesting. So he's got a controlling stake, about 85%
• 34:30
  of that team. While he was building up equity in that team
• 34:34
  till he was a majority owner, he was making sure that the state
• 34:38
  of Wisconsin was going to give him nearly $500 million to build a new park.
• 34:42
  That's, that's so interesting. Doesn't have money for that.
• 34:45
  Buying a team in England. Doesn't have money to pay.
• 34:49
  Weird. Doesn't need money for Tarek Skubal.
• 34:52
  Won't pay it. Buys a— are we, are we fucking
• 34:56
  joking? Oh, and by the way, he's going to be exhausted. By the way,
• 34:59
  just, just as a, just as a little side note, the owner of the Brewers
• 35:03
  is also on the, on the, the labor board that
• 35:07
  is currently considering across the board the salary
• 35:11
  cap. Oh, how nice is that? God,
• 35:14
  those It's like C-League all over again.
• 35:18
  How do you feel about a salary floor, no salary cap, and fuck the owners
• 35:21
  forever? I— that sounds great. How do you feel? Of course.
• 35:25
  Yeah. What we don't need— we don't need a salary cap. We've never needed a
• 35:28
  salary cap. We need a salary floor that holds billionaires accountable
• 35:32
  to spend as much money as we can possibly make them spend so that they
• 35:35
  no longer have these excuses. And then if they can't afford that, guess what?
• 35:38
  You sell the team to somebody who can. How do you, how do you feel
• 35:42
  about the idea? Stop, stop. Need to address this now. I addressed this already in
• 35:45
  the show. You're driving me nuts. This exact thing. All these owners are not liquid
• 35:48
  billionaires. The Reds owner is not a billionaire, nor the Marlins owner.
• 35:52
  The Reds have 23 fucking owners.
• 35:55
  Yeah, their net worth— the team is worth over a billion dollars.
• 35:58
  Actually, we don't even actually know what they would actually sell for. But you're telling
• 36:01
  me right now the Reds couldn't take a loan and make a higher payroll?
• 36:04
  They could borrow against their own team. I don't care how you do it.
• 36:07
  It's a fucking business. If you can't live in the business, you shouldn't
• 36:12
  be in the business. It's just that simple. All these guys who have made all
• 36:15
  these billions of dollars and are worth hundreds of millions of dollars and billions
• 36:19
  of dollars didn't get it because they were part of these lovely systems.
• 36:23
  They're fucking billionaires and now they're in a system that they're just
• 36:27
  trying to turn into an ATM for themselves. Don't fucking let them.
• 36:30
  It's a business, a business that you have a personal,
• 36:34
  like romantic, and personal, like, emotional stake in.
• 36:38
  And you don't seem to get it that they don't have that emotional stake
• 36:42
  in it. Fucking figure it out. Also, don't be stupid. Bob Castellini
• 36:46
  is worth $400 million. Like what Cody said, that's one,
• 36:50
  one guy in a group of minority owners worth $400 million. I need you
• 36:54
  to do the math. Now, the reason you don't know what the entire ownership group
• 36:58
  is actually worth is because they don't want you to, because The— oh,
• 37:02
  their owner is only— no, he's just the one who represents like
• 37:06
  the managing partner. He's like the head of the board. He's the managing partner,
• 37:09
  and he alone is worth $400 million. I want you to do the
• 37:13
  math now. Okay, thank you very much. God, you guys are killing me.
• 37:17
  How do you— this isn't hard. Do you think
• 37:20
  that a system where they restructure the
• 37:24
  deferments so that something like the Shohei Ohtani thing can't
• 37:28
  happen with $2 million. That's fine. Like, I would— that's more than
• 37:32
  reasonable. I think that that's a reasonable— tie that in. Only because, only because if
• 37:36
  we do no salary cap and we continue to do guaranteed contracts, something that is
• 37:40
  specific only to the MLB, fully guaranteed contracts for everybody and all of
• 37:44
  these and no salary cap, then okay, you give a little and you say the
• 37:48
  deferred, the deferred payment. Like, I even have something
• 37:51
  else I'd even be willing to give up, in my opinion. And the Players
• 37:55
  Association would be very mad at me for this. Oh, don't. Well, then don't say
• 37:57
  it. But don't undermine a union. No, no. No, no, no, no. They, they have
• 38:01
  their problems. They need to get— they need to get some things right. Okay.
• 38:04
  Okay. Um, limiting contract lengths, I'd be willing to, uh, talk about as well.
• 38:08
  But I will say, I don't understand the issue with, uh, long contracts.
• 38:12
  Like, if we're doing— like, a lot of people have talked about Tarik Skubal wanting
• 38:15
  a 10-year deal or whatever, right? I also understand the idea of people paying
• 38:19
  that 10-year deal, that 10-year deal. But it's just— isn't it just a, like— I
• 38:23
  mean, at that— the— again, these are guaranteed contracts. Who fucking cares how long
• 38:27
  they are? It's not like the NFL. You're right. But it's just It is a
• 38:30
  thing where like every player has such diminishing returns in those final 3 years.
• 38:34
  It's just— but they're going to get paid. I know. I know. I'm just— rather
• 38:37
  it be the same amount or just 7 years so that to make everyone feel
• 38:40
  better. The reason why I'm throwing it out there. Yeah, actually, yes, I was going
• 38:43
  to say 7 years. I was— players are going to have to give
• 38:47
  up something, period. They are. Well, then fine. Give that up and just
• 38:51
  don't give up the amount of money you're asking for in contracts. No, no,
• 38:53
  I agree. No, it's $200 million, 7 years instead of $200 million. That being said,
• 38:57
  I don't know if that's the right answer. Yeah, I'm not on these conversations,
• 39:00
  I actually legitimately have not sat down and be like, what should the players give
• 39:04
  up? And yada, yada, yada. It's just I know what they're not going to give
• 39:07
  up, and that's the salary cap. It's not going to happen. Yeah,
• 39:10
  that's just not going to happen. And they can't give up guaranteed contracts either.
• 39:13
  They can't. No. God, no, no, no, no. Guaranteed contracts never going. Like, that's my
• 39:17
  point is like these 2 things are non-negotiable. So,
• 39:20
  all right. Is there any other trade that happened that you really want to highlight
• 39:25
  from today? I do like the Adley Rutschman trade. I think it's fascinating seeing it
• 39:29
  from the Orioles, from the Orioles to the Red Sox. And the reason why I
• 39:31
  love it. Catcher. It's a catcher. You know, he goes back and forth with
• 39:35
  his offense, but he's an all-star. He's shown what he can do. He's young,
• 39:38
  so he's going to be playing for a long time. And to see an
• 39:42
  in-division team trade over their,
• 39:46
  like, franchise— most competitive division, by the way. Yeah. Their franchise
• 39:50
  catcher who's supposed to be like the guy of like the next
• 39:54
  decade is so fucking fascinating to me that
• 39:58
  I said there's about 8 teams that think that they can win and everybody else
• 40:01
  is playing this fucking game of I'm interested, man. I think, I think it's going
• 40:05
  to be fun. I think the Rushman trade is something that makes me feel really
• 40:09
  good as a Red Sox fan. I also like the Robbie Ray trade to the
• 40:12
  Padres. I knew you were kind of waiting to see where Robbie Ray would go.
• 40:16
  And that also you're a big fan of the Padres in general as an organization.
• 40:20
  I am. I really like how they do things. Not as— I know you're a
• 40:22
  Dodgers fan, but like, I'm not a Dodger fan. Well, kind of. I was growing
• 40:26
  up, but I— Yeah, you're right. My perspective is I just like good baseball.
• 40:30
  You're not a— you're too in baseball to be a fan. And to be fair,
• 40:33
  like, I just— I mean, it's hard not not to like the Dodgers. They do
• 40:36
  everything right. And also you're in Los Angeles and get to go to games.
• 40:38
  So it's just like if you're going to go to a game, you get to
• 40:40
  enjoy it. How do you feel about Garcia to the Yankees?
• 40:45
  I thought it was a solid pickup because they need some power with Judge out
• 40:49
  and it works playing him at first base. It makes
• 40:53
  sense. They're seriously lacking power right now. People seem to be pretty high on it.
• 40:56
  That's a good one in general. I wish— I do think the Yankees needed to
• 41:00
  do way more than that, though. Oh, you think they didn't? I thought I was
• 41:04
  kind of waiting for them to do something more. Okay. And how do you feel
• 41:06
  about Arias to the Phillies? Good move. But I thought the Phillies really dropped
• 41:10
  the ball by not going to get another arm. Really? I thought they needed another
• 41:13
  arm. Okay, well, this feels like— I love this. This does feel like the Phillies
• 41:17
  are saying, we do believe we can do something. No, they should. Luis Arias is
• 41:20
  a great pick. I feel happy. And by the way, he's a great pickup to
• 41:23
  the point where, like, okay, this is a bat-the-ball guy. He's a great guy for
• 41:26
  the playoffs. He's going to get on base for all your power guys. I love
• 41:29
  the move. I just was thinking, man, if they can just add a 3rd head
• 41:32
  to that 3-headed monster. Yeah. And it's going to be huge in October. All right.
• 41:36
  Okay. So of all the deals today, you like the Red Sox one
• 41:39
  the best? Probably the Red Sox one the best.
• 41:42
  I thought they did some really good stuff today. So good for you guys.
• 41:45
  Good for you guys. Thank you so much. I also liked what the White Sox
• 41:49
  did, by the way. Oh, yeah, you did? Yeah. Luis Castillo and Boyle
• 41:53
  as an outfielder from the Rockies. No, you might not know who Boyle is.
• 41:56
  Exactly. It's because he's on the Rockies. No one knows about the Rockies. There's a
• 41:59
  couple of guys on the Rockies that are going to make some impacts this year.
• 42:01
  Well, good for them. I'm glad they're out of Colorado. Congratulations.
• 42:04
  We're going to head over to the NBA, and I'm kind
• 42:09
  of excited to talk to you about this because I think it's really nuanced.
• 42:11
  The NBA is disputing a study that links Achilles injuries
• 42:15
  to increased playing time. And this has been a conversation
• 42:19
  that you and I have actually had before around Achilles injuries and some of the
• 42:23
  stuff people have been saying. We've talked about your experience with injuries in Major
• 42:27
  League Baseball and just fatigue in general. The study found some correlation
• 42:31
  between Achilles tears and higher minutes played in 10- and 15-game samples
• 42:35
  preceding that injury relative to the player's season average. The paper was published
• 42:39
  last month in the Orthopedic Journal of Sports Medicine by doctors and researchers affiliated with
• 42:43
  the University of California, San Francisco. It sought to see if there was
• 42:47
  a reason behind Achilles tears in the NBA after a dramatic spike 2 years ago
• 42:50
  when 7 players tore their Achilles tendons including 3 in
• 42:54
  the playoffs. Um, one last year, uh, Dante DiVincenzo
• 42:58
  tore his Achilles. The paper examined 19 Achilles tears over
• 43:02
  an 11-season period. Um, so they looked at these causal relationships,
• 43:06
  and then the study did not find any association between
• 43:09
  the other variables outside of time, like, um,
• 43:13
  from a specific, uh,
• 43:16
  injury suffered in early age or anything like that. Significant work
• 43:20
  upload spikes were found in 10 to 15 games preceding Achilles ruptures
• 43:24
  for NBA players. Veteran players carried heavier cumulative workloads, whereas younger
• 43:28
  players ruptured tendons under lighter use. The NBA is disputing this conclusion,
• 43:32
  saying, over the past year, we have worked to better understand Achilles
• 43:36
  tendon injuries through a tendon health working group and additional research,
• 43:39
  said John, uh, DiFiori, Dr. John DiFiori, the NBA's
• 43:43
  director of sports medicine. While we welcome continued learnings, we believe the recent
• 43:47
  paper on this topic has important methodological limitations.
• 43:51
  There's a graph that shows the spike that we saw in 2024 and 2025,
• 43:56
  or 2024 into 2025, and then kind of like where the average
• 44:00
  kind of line lands. So we— what year
• 44:04
  is this? This other big spike was 2019,
• 44:08
  2020. Okay. So Cody.
• 44:13
  Yeah. I think that in this particular
• 44:17
  situation, the NBA has said, and they continue— they continually actually are looking
• 44:21
  into if there's an— if there's a correlation, if there's causation happening,
• 44:25
  what's happening. They don't like their superstars. No, not at all. So it's like,
• 44:28
  nor should they. Yeah, I do believe Adam Silver and the, and the, uh,
• 44:31
  sports medicine doctor in the NBA when they say like, we're not ignoring this,
• 44:35
  but there's some, there's some limitations to what this— and I think that's actually fair.
• 44:38
  I actually completely— I, I saw like you know, I love,
• 44:42
  I love that they're looking into this, and I think it's probably really great preliminary
• 44:47
  information. But at the end of the day, this is a very
• 44:51
  small sample size. You know what we're
• 44:55
  talking about? What did they say, 19 players? That's just not
• 44:59
  enough. It's just, it's a slow— and like, I'm not, I'm not saying
• 45:03
  that it's, that it should, it should be ignoring it. But I also,
• 45:06
  I don't know that it should even be disputed. I don't like that the NBA
• 45:09
  is disputing it. I do wish that they were saying, hey, we're, we're gonna kind
• 45:13
  of look more into this with alongside— isn't that kind of what they're a little
• 45:17
  bit saying? Well, they're sort of saying like, yes, kind of. I think that
• 45:22
  they're— that them saying it has methodological—
• 45:26
  I thought they were just trying to quell— quench down like the panic of it.
• 45:28
  Like, this is because this— and they're like, we see your graph, but I'm gonna
• 45:32
  tell you— well, I'm gonna tell you why I think I wish the NBA was
• 45:34
  like a little more open to this conversation. I did my, did my own
• 45:37
  research, just like a vaccine denier, just like Aaron Rodgers. Yes.
• 45:41
  And who we are going to talk about. I'm aware. Um,
• 45:44
  and something that Tyrese Halliburton,
• 45:49
  Jason Tatum, uh, Kobe Bryant when he tore his
• 45:53
  Achilles in 2013, in April of 2013,
• 45:57
  have in common. Um, again, some of these Achilles tears are like,
• 46:01
  you know, uh, outside the scope of, um,
• 46:05
  players that we like would talk about, but these like superstar Achilles
• 46:10
  tendon tears. KD. KD. But I'm going to talk specifically
• 46:13
  about those 3 because they have something in common. I'm listening.
• 46:16
  Jayson Tatum went from the NBA Finals to the Olympics
• 46:21
  into a season. Tyrese Halliburton went from
• 46:26
  the Eastern Conference Finals to the Olympics into a season. Kobe Bryant
• 46:30
  went from the semifinals of the playoffs into the Olympics into a regular
• 46:35
  season. There's fatigue there right
• 46:39
  now. Again, this is not scientific, but what I am saying is that
• 46:42
  I do not think we should be putting players
• 46:46
  who have gone through the playoffs in any meaningful way, then played
• 46:50
  an entire Olympics, and then have them
• 46:53
  playing regular minutes in the, in the regular
• 46:57
  season as when they come back. I do— I am starting to think that there's
• 47:01
  causal correlation there because those are really
• 47:05
  like— that's, that's a lot. And if we looked into it more, if I looked
• 47:09
  more at who— at where the Achilles tears were across the board, those are just
• 47:13
  the 3 biggest examples. I found that in 4 minutes.
• 47:17
  That's a lot. Like, there's definitely fatigue happening there.
• 47:21
  That makes a lot of sense, but nobody's talking. You're— oh, well, that's not like
• 47:25
  a part of this conversation. There's certainly got to be fatigue. There's got to be
• 47:29
  also, you know, maybe there's an equipment issue that's also maybe factored in.
• 47:33
  Maybe there's also the courts themselves. You have to remember, like, I mean, part of,
• 47:36
  part of the thing that we don't talk about as much with NBA players as
• 47:39
  we should is that it's not— you know, when we talk about fatigue, we're also
• 47:42
  talking about their, their physical frames. Yeah, they're not normal.
• 47:46
  No, no, that's a lot of pressure to be put on, on certain body parts.
• 47:49
  Why do you think cringe every time fucking Wemby falls. Yes. So you add
• 47:54
  that much into a fucking, like, player's workload. Yeah.
• 47:57
  So, like, I mean, we— the fact that LeBron's Achilles are still intact,
• 48:01
  actually, is he a real human being? It's insane. He a real human being?
• 48:05
  No, that's very fair. No, it's— listen, man, it's, it's, it's one of those things.
• 48:08
  But it's— I know I'm glad they're constantly looking into it.
• 48:12
  I always wonder if there's a correlation on equipment, but, you know, because there was
• 48:15
  something that happened in baseball a few years back that was a correlation. What are
• 48:18
  you saying? What kind of equipment in baseball you're talking about. Yeah, spikes.
• 48:22
  There was an issue. Spikes are way different than— I, I agree, I agree.
• 48:26
  I'm not saying that anyone's fucking up. I'm, I'm just saying there's a lot of
• 48:30
  equipment. I'm just saying that's— I'm— there's a lot of difference. Like, when we're talking
• 48:33
  about football, baseball, there was one brand when I was in 2 particular
• 48:37
  years where everyone coincidentally got the exact same injury, and they were all of
• 48:41
  the same brand. And it was like, let's, let's see what shoes these dudes are
• 48:44
  wearing in that one season where there were 7 Achilles injuries, which there was likely
• 48:48
  Maybe a mild— if they were all wearing the same shoe, like if they
• 48:52
  were all wearing Air Maxes, yeah, we got a problem. Yeah, but that wasn't— we
• 48:56
  got to go back to those Converse they wore in the '60s. That's the only
• 48:58
  way. It's the only way. Not against it, man. I know, the old Star.
• 49:02
  Come on, baby. Before we start talking absolutely crazy shit in
• 49:06
  Media Corner, it's nuts. I do want to point out, how could we not
• 49:10
  say that Mauricio Pochettino is returning as the USMNT head
• 49:14
  coach? Welcome back, Poch. Uh, through 2030 World World Cup. He is going
• 49:17
  to be back for the 2030 World Cup. We now know FIFA is not going
• 49:20
  to privatize into obliteration, so that's good. We're gonna get the Women's World Cup next
• 49:24
  season. And now Infantino is about to be ousted, so great job. So that's awesome.
• 49:28
  Good job for showing your ass. Uh, we did not think this was going to
• 49:30
  happen because it did very much seem like Poch wanted another job. I guess he's
• 49:33
  just not going to get that job, so he was like, all right, I'll come
• 49:35
  back. Great. I'm bummed that he didn't get the job he like might have
• 49:39
  wanted in Premier League, but I— he was very gracious about
• 49:43
  getting, you know, uh, signing this new deal, saying now it's a fresh start,
• 49:46
  it's a good moment to refresh that mindset, to refresh that culture and philosophy,
• 49:50
  and to start to create a new era of U.S. Soccer, U.S. men's national team,
• 49:53
  thinking that every player will have the possibility to join us if they perform.
• 49:56
  By the way, can we also, uh, can he also fix our entire youth system?
• 49:59
  So he is actually— they said, um, in this that he is,
• 50:03
  and his staff will advise and support U.S. Soccer on the broader development of the
• 50:07
  full national team pathway, youth soccer coaching education, professional league
• 50:10
  collaboration, and other league, uh, technical facets across the soccer community. So there
• 50:14
  you go. Now we're cooking. Yeah. Yeah. So now we're cooking with
• 50:19
  gas. Yeah. So we couldn't let the episode go by without saying it because you
• 50:22
  and I are big POTS fans. We're not going to abandon soccer just because World
• 50:25
  Cup's over. No, baby. Pop in. Fucking. Yeah. Man U.
• 50:29
  Yeah. Everton. Man U,
• 50:32
  baby. Okay. Over to Media Corner
• 50:36
  where it's batshit. Everything is fucking weird.
• 50:40
  Kicking things off, is this the beginning of the end of Tony Romo's
• 50:44
  career after he was arrested on an OWI?
• 50:48
  Dan Le Batard made an interesting point that I thought I kind
• 50:53
  of agreed with. You can tell me if you do. He said,
• 50:56
  like, Tony Romo has been put on leave by CBS, which is at least a
• 50:59
  little curious because there are no games right now. So there's really no necessity
• 51:03
  to put him on leave. They could just do an internal investigation. And so J.J.
• 51:05
  Watt evidently is going to replace him much cheaper while he's on leave for preseason
• 51:08
  games. And one of America's preeminent broadcast teams is going to be disrupted
• 51:12
  for at least the near future and maybe longer. He said Romo is
• 51:16
  making more with CBS than he did during all of his seasons as the— all
• 51:20
  but one of his seasons as the Dallas Cowboys quarterback. And as one of the
• 51:22
  faces and voices of the league and the top network broadcaster,
• 51:26
  Le Batard believes the arrest puts his job in jeopardy more than if he were
• 51:30
  just a starting quarterback, because if Romo were arrested on suspicion of DUI, he probably
• 51:33
  returns without missing a game. I actually— I do
• 51:38
  think that that's a possibility. I agree with that. Yeah. Yeah, I agree with that
• 51:40
  wholeheartedly, actually. He also said this might be the beginning of the end of Tony
• 51:42
  Romo and one of America's premier broadcast teams. And I assume that contractually they
• 51:46
  might be able to fire him for cause and get out from underneath that money.
• 51:49
  My guess is the delay of all of this is putting him— by putting
• 51:53
  him on leave is at least in part so they can figure out what they
• 51:55
  want to do, because the only thing that saves or eliminates Tony Romo's job right
• 51:58
  now is if the bosses were happy with him before this happened.
• 52:02
  I find that part of this really fascinating because I
• 52:06
  have personally been thinking that the entire time, which is that I think the
• 52:10
  only way they let go of Tony Romo is because they needed an excuse
• 52:14
  to let go of Tony Romo. Yes. Okay. And he's been getting a lot of
• 52:18
  shit for a lot of years. And he, he started off as the darling of
• 52:22
  everybody in this industry, and then it dissipated fast. Right.
• 52:26
  He was good that first couple of years. Yeah. And then he stopped. I think
• 52:30
  maybe he got on the bottle. Maybe he was drunk on those. Who knows?
• 52:33
  I don't know. Who knows? I do. I will say— I have no problem.
• 52:36
  I will say there's been a significant difference in his
• 52:40
  performance from those first couple years. He was also like— he's been a— he's been
• 52:43
  like a notorious asshole to like his girlfriends in the past and stuff. So yeah,
• 52:47
  at one point he told, uh, Jessica Simpson that she couldn't like weigh more than
• 52:50
  135 pounds. And I was like, well, I mean, you got to put a
• 52:54
  woman in her place. Yeah, with your face though. Like, not— not yours, with Tony
• 52:58
  Romo's face. Tony Romo's face. Like, come on, bro, you got to know where you—
• 53:02
  where you stand. What are you going to do? Listen, um, Um, told her not
• 53:05
  to be about 135 pounds. Yeah, which she wasn't ever anyway,
• 53:10
  so I was like, okay, but that's neither here nor there. Yeah, no, it's fucking
• 53:13
  crazy. It's fucking nuts. Um, so I'm out. I can't date Tony Romo.
• 53:16
  Uh, thank God. Yeah, that's fucking— um,
• 53:20
  yeah, sorry Tony Romo. Uh, it's been nice knowing you. Yeah, I,
• 53:24
  um, I tend to like— I think this is going to be really interesting because
• 53:27
  if he gets fired, people are going to be like, see, he was held accountable.
• 53:30
  No, he wasn't. They wanted him— they wanted him gone. They don't give a fuck.
• 53:33
  They want that shit off their books. That's all they wanted. Yeah, like I I
• 53:35
  promise you, I promise you that Mike Tirico and Chris Collinsworth
• 53:39
  could be caught speeding, drinking, getting like blowjobs
• 53:43
  from people who aren't their wives at the same time, all of it. And they're
• 53:46
  back on. It's not— they're not getting fired. Like, I promise you,
• 53:51
  if he gets fired, it's because they already wanted a reason. That's it. I agree
• 53:54
  wholeheartedly. All right. On to the
• 53:58
  fucking premiere part of our media corner. Aaron Rodgers
• 54:01
  went on Pat McAfee and went on one of his more insufferable
• 54:06
  tirades, which is saying something. Remember how great it was not hearing from him?
• 54:09
  Career of insufferable tirades. It was so great not hearing from
• 54:13
  him for a while. At a time when Aaron Rodgers was seemingly creating a kinder,
• 54:16
  gentler vibe as he embarks on his final year in the NFL, Rodgers brought the
• 54:20
  knives out during a Monday appearance on ESPN's The Pat McAfee Show.
• 54:23
  Rodgers started by taking the Fifth Amendment in response to McAfee's first question
• 54:27
  to mock Dr. Anthony Fauci, who last week repeatedly invoked the Fifth
• 54:31
  in testimony before the Senate Committee on Home Homeland Security and governmental affairs regarding the
• 54:35
  COVID-19 pandemic. You got a pardon and you're in front of— and you plead
• 54:39
  the Fifth over 100 times, Rogers said. What are you scared of, Tony?
• 54:43
  I thought you were the science. That's literally what he said. I thought you
• 54:46
  were the science. You know what's funny about that? I thought you were— I am
• 54:49
  science. And you get up there and you can't answer a question.
• 54:52
  Remember, he did actually. He gave a full opening statement and
• 54:56
  actually explicitly said what he was about to do and why he was about to
• 54:59
  do But did you hear that part at all, or did you just go off
• 55:03
  the headlines that he pled the Fifth because you're a fucking idiot?
• 55:07
  I think it might be the latter, Cody. Just checking.
• 55:10
  The vitriol extended to ESPN, and I think this is really fascinating.
• 55:14
  The owner of the channel on which he was speaking. How much
• 55:18
  time did the network spend on that? On Anthony Fauci?
• 55:22
  Why the fuck would they spend any time on Anthony Fauci? I hate to
• 55:26
  break it to you, but it's just simply not a fucking joke. It's not a
• 55:28
  sports story. How much time do they spend on my responses every week on
• 55:32
  my vaccination status. There it is. We all remember
• 55:36
  when he was immunized and he got like, listen, you didn't want to
• 55:40
  get vaccinated. You didn't want to pay the consequences of it. So you lied that
• 55:44
  you didn't have— no one was going to legally force you to be vaccinated,
• 55:46
  but you were. It was going to affect your job. This is one literal— you
• 55:50
  did not want the accountability. Okay.
• 55:54
  How much time is spent on my vaccination status? On Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce's
• 55:58
  wedding, did they even do a minute it? Did they even do a minute on
• 56:00
  Tony Fauci? No, I bet they didn't. So he's saying this again on ESPN.
• 56:05
  Rodgers then made reference to ESPN's conspicuously scant coverage of
• 56:09
  the Mike Vrabel-Diana Rossini situation. Then there was another scandal this offseason
• 56:13
  too involving a voter for MVP for Coach of the Year. How much time
• 56:17
  did your network spend on that? Later in the segment, Rodgers returned
• 56:21
  to the Rossini story. Rossini story— like, you have literally an individual that
• 56:25
  maybe you that maybe used to work at ESPN. No, she did. She did.
• 56:28
  That covers our league at the highest level. And there's a major scandal and it's
• 56:32
  just like nobody can fucking talk about it. What are we even doing here?
• 56:34
  It's affecting certain things. If there's leaks going on, if there's tampering going on,
• 56:37
  if that person is an MVP voter and a Coach of the Year voter.
• 56:40
  Rodgers also referred to ESPN as a gutless organization with no integrity.
• 56:44
  Well, he's right about that last part. I do find— I'm with you on that.
• 56:47
  I do find it fascinating, though, that he's repeatedly calling ESPN
• 56:52
  a gutless organization with no integrity. He's repeatedly talking about Diana
• 56:56
  Rossini specifically as the one reporting
• 56:59
  story that he seems to have a problem with. Interesting that ESPN won't cover.
• 57:03
  Really interesting. That's super fascinating considering Adam Schefter just ignored
• 57:07
  an entire NFL coach almost dying. Yeah, by the way, still,
• 57:09
  still have no information about that. Yeah, very fascinating. So that's interesting,
• 57:13
  but he has a real problem with Diana Rossini. I don't know, I think that
• 57:16
  there's something personal going on there. Definitely. You think maybe?
• 57:20
  I think maybe. Yes, because I've—
• 57:24
  I think maybe. Yeah. And calling— listen,
• 57:28
  if you want to call ESPN gutless or not having integrity,
• 57:32
  okay, but you are on ESPN right now.
• 57:35
  So why are you taking a paycheck to go on the Pat McAfee Show?
• 57:39
  Why are you promoting yourself on the Pat McAfee Show on ESPN if they're so
• 57:42
  gutless with no integrity? Why is it that you want to use that platform
• 57:46
  to have your voice heard so you can bitch and moan about Anthony Fauci on
• 57:51
  such a gutless platform. You're telling Pat McAfee that
• 57:55
  his employers are gutless losers with no integrity. And honestly, I kind
• 57:59
  of agree that because they employ Pat McAfee, the person
• 58:03
  whose show you're on. At what point do
• 58:06
  you think Aaron Rodgers lost any level of self-awareness? Was it like
• 58:10
  10 years old? Do you think he was born without it? What do we think?
• 58:13
  You think? I don't know. I, I started really noticing it about— fuck,
• 58:17
  I'd say halfway through the, the Packers years. I started
• 58:22
  noticing it the day that— during the draft. Did you really? I didn't
• 58:26
  notice it. I've been talking shit about Aaron Rodgers.
• 58:30
  I should have seen it. No, no, you shouldn't. I'm not gonna put this on
• 58:33
  you because I was gaslit for about a decade about— I
• 58:37
  was like, you guys don't under— don't know that this guy's a fucking like narcissistic
• 58:43
  racist dick. Like, you can't tell? I was on this from before I was in
• 58:45
  the media. Like, he— like, I clocked his shit during
• 58:49
  that draft when he was a little pissant about the fucking draft.
• 58:53
  So I have been— like, when I tell you I am an OG
• 58:57
  Aaron Rodgers hater, not as a quarterback, as a person,
• 59:02
  I promise you, I, I think I'm out there. If they had had Twitter in
• 59:05
  2005, I'd have— I'd have had my post up.
• 59:08
  I'm, I'm just— it was so exhausting. It was. I, I expected
• 59:13
  nothing less. It was exactly what— when I saw everything he was saying,
• 59:16
  I was just like, Jesus Christ, this ill-informed stupid—
• 59:20
  what do you think about, uh, by the way, this guy who— this ill-informed twat
• 59:24
  who is good friends with fucking RFK Jr.
• 59:28
  Sure. Refers to him as Bobby and actually said on Pat McAfee,
• 59:31
  yeah, wait till Bobby gets in front of him, he's so Did you see Bobby's
• 59:35
  interview yesterday? Bobby is a fucking joke. We're having measles
• 59:38
  spikes. We've eradicated diseases that are back because of your fucking smart
• 59:42
  guy Bobby, yet you're gonna talk shit about Tony Fauci?
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  Fuck you. Narcissists really hate when people
• 59:50
  are more intelligent than them, so they will intentionally prop up people who are stupid
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  in order to feel more intelligent than people around them. And that's what he does.
• 59:57
  I will say, heroin addict who eats roadkill. I don't fully understand,
• 1:00:01
  um, how ESPN is super comfortable
• 1:00:05
  with this while they are laying off some of their best talent.
• 1:00:09
  They're totally comfortable with letting Pat McAfee bring on Aaron Rodgers
• 1:00:13
  to talk as much shit as humanly possible about them. This is not the first
• 1:00:17
  time he's done this, and you're laying off all your talent and you
• 1:00:21
  are like hamstringing what they're allowed to say on television. They have
• 1:00:25
  multiple people who have moved on from ESPN, many of them not
• 1:00:30
  white people, have said that like there it was constant every
• 1:00:34
  day after, after their show. You can't— you got it in their ear all the
• 1:00:38
  time. This motherfucker saying whatever he wants. Oh my God. You're telling me that
• 1:00:42
  the shit that was said in my ear of the things I couldn't say
• 1:00:46
  was fucking staggering on Fox Sports? I know. Staggering production
• 1:00:50
  meetings. I know. Staggering. Did you ever get the pamphlet of all the names you're
• 1:00:54
  not allowed to make fun of? Of? Well, I'm— I was instrumental
• 1:00:58
  in trying to combat that list. Yeah, that, that list was 5
• 1:01:02
  pages long, by the way. I was trying very hard to make sure
• 1:01:05
  that— listen, I leaned in about to make a Sean Payton joke. Careful, Cody,
• 1:01:08
  friend of the network. I can't fucking make fun of Sean Payton. I got
• 1:01:12
  called in the office because I said butt fumble. Like, he's a friend of the
• 1:01:15
  network. I got actually scolded for saying butt fumble. Butt fumble,
• 1:01:19
  tried to kill a guy. Fucking tried to stab a guy, and I'm apparently an
• 1:01:22
  asshole for mentioning the butt fumble. What the fuck is wrong with this fucking dick?
• 1:01:25
  I bet you they talk about the butt fumble now. Speaking of
• 1:01:28
  people ESPN's laid off, our final media corner story— Cody,
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  I can't. Carl Ravitch, who was
• 1:01:36
  laid off by ESPN.
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  Everybody— sorry, everybody was bummed. 33 years at the network.
• 1:01:45
  He's, he's been calling MLB games. So is he working pro bono?
• 1:01:48
  Like, what's going on? Well, here's what ESPN said.
• 1:01:52
  They confirmed that Ravitch will have additional assignments with the network this year via
• 1:01:56
  awful announcing. What remains unclear is whether these summer assignments
• 1:02:00
  fall under Ravitch's original contract or if there's some sort of
• 1:02:04
  like, I don't know, a contractor.
• 1:02:07
  He's been there for like 40 years.
• 1:02:11
  All right. It's hard to fathom this on both ends for ESPN and Ravitch.
• 1:02:15
  It's simply not a good look for a network to cut an employee, then have
• 1:02:18
  to to have that employee appear on their network with no reason given.
• 1:02:21
  Moreover, Carl Ravitch's situation reflects how
• 1:02:25
  messy ESPN's layoff rollout has become this cycle. It is a credit to Ravitch to
• 1:02:29
  accept the work despite knowing his future with the network is likely done. For Ravitch,
• 1:02:32
  it means one final stretch calling the sport that defined his 33 years.
• 1:02:36
  This is one of the more cravenly
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  fucked up layoff rollout Layoff
• 1:02:45
  experiences that I have ever seen in sports media, and I
• 1:02:49
  was a part of one that was pretty fucked up. Yeah, like really
• 1:02:53
  fucked up. I was laid off. I was mass laid off on Zoom with
• 1:02:57
  dozens of other people in a— and they were doing Zoom
• 1:03:01
  calls all day to everybody that they were laying off in the mass layoffs because
• 1:03:05
  it leaked that our shows were essentially canceled overnight and they knew they had to
• 1:03:09
  like lay us off immediately. So I was in there watching
• 1:03:12
  names pop up, looking at everybody who was getting laid off with me.
• 1:03:15
  We didn't even get individual meetings until weeks after with HR.
• 1:03:20
  It was a fucking nightmare. My friend texted me the news
• 1:03:23
  before, and then I got an email that there was an emergency call I had
• 1:03:27
  to be on. It was Bad News Bears. This shit is fucking crazy
• 1:03:32
  because this is exactly what happened, is a bunch of people made a
• 1:03:36
  decision, a bunch of money people made a decision about who was going to get
• 1:03:39
  cut or how much needed to be cut, then they go to the
• 1:03:43
  people who decide who's going to be cut to make up that money,
• 1:03:46
  right? That's how this works. Yeah. So they decide, okay, we need
• 1:03:50
  to cut this much money from our talent roster, so we're going to cut Ryan
• 1:03:53
  Clark and Tom Pelissero and,
• 1:03:57
  you know, fucking Carl Ravitch, and we're gonna get rid of all these people.
• 1:04:02
  Nobody figured out who was gonna call the games,
• 1:04:05
  Cody. That's a real thing. They really laid
• 1:04:09
  him off without ever having a replacement for who was going to call those games.
• 1:04:14
  What the fuck? I know what the fuck, Cody. I realize
• 1:04:18
  I know what the fuck. I know you know what the fuck, but I don't
• 1:04:21
  think people understand. You— this is not normal.
• 1:04:25
  And the reason that this is happening is because,
• 1:04:28
  as Cody so eloquently points out both on and off camera,
• 1:04:32
  Everybody in these positions is really fucking
• 1:04:36
  stupid. And I realize this isn't a great thing for
• 1:04:40
  me to say as somebody who needs to be gainfully employed in some way,
• 1:04:43
  shape, or form in order to do my work. But they are. But they're—
• 1:04:47
  I listen, I'm not saying every single person who's ever
• 1:04:51
  done the job is stupid. I think the smart people who used to do the
• 1:04:54
  jobs have been laid off or died. I would actually agree with
• 1:04:58
  that. We have stupid people because I worked in this industry in 2010,
• 1:05:02
  2011, 2012, 2013 when people knew still what
• 1:05:05
  the fuck they were doing. There was about 45% of people who sucked
• 1:05:09
  and about 55% of people who kind of sucked but knew what they were doing.
• 1:05:12
  Now no one knows what they are doing,
• 1:05:15
  and this is fucking crazy. One of your most senior
• 1:05:20
  MLB talents, somebody that we have grown up watching,
• 1:05:24
  you lay off And then you have nobody to cover.
• 1:05:27
  And I mean, I hope he's making $10,000 a
• 1:05:31
  minute. So what's funny is like, it's not just that they're stupid. It's not
• 1:05:35
  necessarily— it's the people that are running it now are not
• 1:05:39
  stupid. They are stupid, but they're good at something. They're good at one
• 1:05:43
  thing. What do you think it is? They're good at keeping their
• 1:05:47
  job. That's what everyone that has a job in this industry— but do you think
• 1:05:51
  the person who didn't schedule Carl Ravitch's replacement has a job? Because I don't don't
• 1:05:55
  think so. They might have fired the person. They might have— they might have laid
• 1:05:59
  off the person that was scheduling everything that was taking place, to be fair.
• 1:06:02
  To be fair, that's— I'm not kidding, I bet that's why it actually happened.
• 1:06:06
  Yeah, probably. Uh, the people that, like, that survive in this
• 1:06:09
  industry, that are— whenever somebody's at a company for a very long time
• 1:06:13
  and I have never heard of them, like, as, like, a producer outside of the
• 1:06:17
  industry, and I find out they— oh yeah, they've been here for 10, 12,
• 1:06:19
  15 years— I immediately look at them going I'm like, uh-huh,
• 1:06:22
  good to know. Because you're a job keeper. That person has
• 1:06:26
  got— has gotten very good at one thing: keeping their job. It usually
• 1:06:30
  doesn't mean they're good at their job. Yeah, it means they're good at keeping their
• 1:06:34
  job, which means they either have somebody that keeps them
• 1:06:37
  in their job, or they're good enough at blowing
• 1:06:40
  somebody that keeps them in their job. Sure. Uh,
• 1:06:44
  I've met the most sycophantic yes-men.
• 1:06:47
  And by the way, in my life, when you say blowing somebody Wait, you are
• 1:06:50
  not being— you're not being gender-specific there. No, no, no, it's— I mean that gender—
• 1:06:55
  I mean that very figuratively. Uh, everybody, they're figuratively blowing
• 1:06:59
  them, not literally. They might be literally blowing them too, I don't know. I can't
• 1:07:02
  say. And you know what, consensually, do what you got to do. Not my problem,
• 1:07:05
  not my business. No, all cool. Um, that being said,
• 1:07:09
  I mean more the fit, like the non-physical blowing that,
• 1:07:12
  that happens. Sure. It's— they're— I— the most
• 1:07:16
  sick— there's one producer specifically in my head that is just so comically
• 1:07:20
  embarrassing, who, who has sold off any semblance of whatever
• 1:07:24
  morality they once had. And I had to work with this guy, and I'm telling
• 1:07:27
  you, just so, so sad.
• 1:07:31
  Yeah, just so sad to watch this person laugh
• 1:07:36
  so loudly so many times at
• 1:07:40
  nothing that was funny. Just to appease the host that was
• 1:07:44
  there. It was like, it was cringeworthy. Like,
• 1:07:47
  yeah, I like literally, I think I physically recoiled 40%
• 1:07:52
  of the time just going like, oh, this fucking guy.
• 1:07:55
  Oh, it is. And I know I have resting like, I don't
• 1:07:59
  give a fuck about you face when it comes to like people at work.
• 1:08:02
  So like we used to have our, um, work parties at O'Brien's.
• 1:08:06
  Um, I remember I actually went to one of them. What year?
• 1:08:09
  Uh, right after I left Fox. Literally right after
• 1:08:13
  I left Fox. What year was that? 2023. I was
• 1:08:17
  there. We were there. What? How did we not talk? I don't know.
• 1:08:21
  I popped in real— I popped in real quick because, um, I, I was— I'm
• 1:08:24
  a regular at O'Brien's. I happen to be in town and Willie's like, hey,
• 1:08:28
  uh, I know you just left Fox. Fox about to have like their holiday party.
• 1:08:31
  Yeah. I'm like, no way. So I start to leave and then, uh, Whit gives
• 1:08:34
  me a call because I— by the way, I love Whit. Actually,
• 1:08:37
  Whit's That's like one of the guys I really like. Yeah, yeah, uh, it was
• 1:08:40
  always nice to me. Yeah, I've always really liked Whit. He always seemed scared of
• 1:08:42
  me, but that's not surprising. I mean, you are scared. I am a little scary.
• 1:08:46
  You are scary. But I'm not. But people do— men do think I'm scary.
• 1:08:48
  But I will tell you, like, I really— he was very nice though. So I
• 1:08:51
  guess Willie told him, and Whit texted me. He's like, Cody, come to the party,
• 1:08:53
  you absolutely should be here. I'm like, all right, I'll be there. I only stopped
• 1:08:57
  by for like 20 minutes. He would always stand at the front and like welcome
• 1:08:59
  everybody, and he was always super— he was like, great to have you here,
• 1:09:01
  Tanya. Like, he was really, really sweet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I always liked him a
• 1:09:03
  lot. There were other people. Other people I do not— there were other people.
• 1:09:07
  And so I would, I would walk— it was almost like I'd walk in and
• 1:09:11
  they'd be like, oh my god, Tanya's here. And like, but all the people,
• 1:09:13
  other people there were fine. My producers, the people, you know, the people who I
• 1:09:17
  was friends with. What is this with you? Like, you are not that— you are
• 1:09:20
  a very friendly, outgoing person. That's the craziest part, is like, I am so
• 1:09:24
  nice. But that's what I'm saying, everybody else that I actually worked with was like,
• 1:09:26
  Tanya, Tanya. And I love everybody, and I made all such good friends. The people
• 1:09:30
  who are my bosses, it's a totally different thing because when I
• 1:09:34
  come into a meeting, they are so used to a specific way
• 1:09:38
  that a woman behaves in their presence. And I don't mean this that I don't
• 1:09:43
  even think a lot of times they know that they are being put off by
• 1:09:46
  my energy. So it either really works for men or it really doesn't.
• 1:09:49
  Men in power or people who would be my bosses, because like the guy who
• 1:09:52
  hired me there, he was like, you are exactly what I need. But outside
• 1:09:57
  of Whit, who was always very nice to me, other people who don't need to
• 1:10:00
  be named were always really like— like they would
• 1:10:04
  say to my face everything was fine, and then they were— and then they would
• 1:10:08
  email my boss and be like, hey, what's Tanya doing here? And what's
• 1:10:12
  it— I would have just seen them. They wouldn't talk to me. They would— and
• 1:10:15
  this wasn't a chain of command situation. This was a, you talk to Tanya
• 1:10:19
  because we don't want to. And And it's really interesting because it's like, yeah,
• 1:10:22
  I stand up for myself, but I'm not gonna punch you in the face.
• 1:10:24
  They do— the idea that like I would stand up for myself was really scary
• 1:10:29
  to these dudes. And those are the people who are laying people off, just by
• 1:10:32
  the way. Yeah. So I guess I'm not surprised that you guys
• 1:10:36
  had no plan to replace Carl Ravitch. What do you mean
• 1:10:40
  you had no plan to replace Carl Ravitch before you
• 1:10:44
  fucking laid him off? Like you didn't put like Eduardo in the spot. You didn't
• 1:10:46
  like call Xavier Scruggs, have him take over? Nothing. You guys were like,
• 1:10:50
  we gotta tell Carl he's out, tell him he's out. Wait,
• 1:10:53
  did we, uh— yeah, we got, we got Cubs-Dodgers on Sunday. What do we
• 1:10:57
  got? And they were like, no one. You laid him off and didn't give us
• 1:11:01
  a plan. Call Carl and tell him provisionary.
• 1:11:05
  Like, I really— I, I would love to— I wish
• 1:11:09
  I had like some sort of connection to Carl Ravitch. Maybe I do because I
• 1:11:12
  have a lot of friends. I can't wait to read it, but I love to
• 1:11:15
  like ask him, like, please tell me you made them pay you $30,000 a game.
• 1:11:19
  Like, please tell me you are getting an insane amount of money, you know what
• 1:11:23
  I mean? Like, I hope he did that because that's really funny.
• 1:11:27
  Anyway, I'm really happy that we're going to get a little more Karl Ravitch at
• 1:11:29
  least. I've listened to— I'm a big fan of Karl Ravitch, so I'm really happy
• 1:11:33
  he's still— so, and hopefully after that he is able to— he'll,
• 1:11:37
  he'll like get on with like— he'll be like— because he's not old enough that
• 1:11:39
  he shouldn't be broadcasting. No, no, he'll— you know what he'll do? Like, I,
• 1:11:42
  I, I see like the Dodgers or the Mariners or like a team just like
• 1:11:46
  Carl Ravitch. Here's like a sweet little deal. Why don't you come over and like
• 1:11:50
  live out— come to— not San Diego, their broadcasting's so good.
• 1:11:53
  Go to Denver, take over the Colorado Rockies for like— why do you keep—
• 1:11:57
  don't stick him. Well, Denver's really pretty, but don't— no, but Denver's, uh,
• 1:12:01
  it's not— they play against good teams. Would you want to live in Denver?
• 1:12:04
  I'm not against Denver. You would be. It's not my first choice. I have a
• 1:12:07
  lot of news for you about Denver not gonna like. Oh, goddamn it. Never mind.
• 1:12:10
  I guess Denver's out. Yeah, but I can get weed there. You— well, you can
• 1:12:14
  get weed here. I mean, I smell it a lot when I'm here, so— well,
• 1:12:17
  that's because my mom's a pothead, right? So I normally— I don't smoke. Getting weed?
• 1:12:21
  Yeah, slow down. I don't smoke before our shows. No, no, that's not what— that's
• 1:12:24
  not what I was— I'm gonna smoke right after this. We are getting like— we
• 1:12:27
  get hammered on every show. You're like, yeah, I come in like— I
• 1:12:31
  come in— yeah, I come in straight. Leave glazed. Oh yeah, we leave glassy-eyed
• 1:12:35
  and fucked up. Yeah, and we got to do it before we name names.
• 1:12:38
  Names at Fox. Well, exactly right, because I, I did name the people we liked.
• 1:12:42
  Whit, we do like. I do like Whit a lot. Yeah, we will— we're gonna
• 1:12:45
  be more positive on the show and say the few people we like. I like
• 1:12:48
  Jacob Bollman a lot. Uh, I've always liked Jacob. I, I never really worked
• 1:12:52
  with him though. Yeah, I didn't really ever work with him either. No, I just
• 1:12:55
  know Jacob. Yeah, and I like Jacob. Yeah, so luckily I can't say anything about
• 1:12:59
  you, Jacob. You might, you might be getting away with more. I only know secondhand
• 1:13:03
  things, and I, I try very hard unless that secondhand has come from like several
• 1:13:06
  people to say things. So, um, I just— yeah, I just love
• 1:13:10
  that. I just like to love that. Um, who else did I— yeah, I don't
• 1:13:14
  think there's anybody else that I liked enough at Fox to shout out right now.
• 1:13:17
  That was— that's, that's like a— that's, you know, I had a bunch of producers
• 1:13:20
  and stuff. I'm not gonna start shouting them out on— they don't need to— they
• 1:13:23
  don't— they are— it's so funny because a lot of the producers are like anti—
• 1:13:27
  literally exactly what you'd think. They don't want to be talked about. They don't want
• 1:13:30
  to be on it. So they don't want people to know what they're doing.
• 1:13:32
  Yeah. It's really funny. Some of the best producers I've ever worked with are
• 1:13:36
  just deeply not wanting to be like acknowledged at all for
• 1:13:40
  their work, and it's really funny. Yeah, I get that. I get it. It's really,
• 1:13:43
  really funny. Good producer. Alex Buford was a young guy. I thought, yeah, I used
• 1:13:46
  to email with him a lot. Yeah, he got a kind of raw deal,
• 1:13:49
  I thought. Yeah, I thought he should have gotten a better shot. I mean,
• 1:13:52
  I thought I should have gotten— you should have gotten a better shot. I thought
• 1:13:55
  I should have gotten— I will say I was— I was a lot of talent.
• 1:13:57
  Of people over there they did not utilize. They didn't let me do anything on
• 1:14:00
  that show. No, they didn't let me do a lot of things in production meetings
• 1:14:03
  either. That's why I always liked Colin, because he never— like, he let me do
• 1:14:07
  what I needed to do in production meetings. And, um, and that's why I always
• 1:14:10
  respected him. But man, is he not— is he bumming me out. He's letting me
• 1:14:14
  down these days. Shall we hit a pop culture corner real quick? Yeah, what do
• 1:14:17
  you got? What do you got? I know that you— Loki, you see Spider-Man
• 1:14:21
  yet? Yeah, Spider-Man thoughts, dude. Unfortunately,
• 1:14:24
  we're both not having seen Spider-Man Um, yeah, me and Mocha are
• 1:14:28
  going together without you. Um, hurtful? Not really, but, um, I will tell you,
• 1:14:31
  I just thought you'd have a bigger reaction. It's fantastic. It's fantastic.
• 1:14:35
  It's fantastic. Did you like it? It's fantastic.
• 1:14:40
  I— did you see the meme? I should have sent
• 1:14:43
  you this meme. Did I send it to you? No. Where he was like— some
• 1:14:47
  guy was like, the World Cup is over, I already watched The Odyssey. And then
• 1:14:50
  he posted a clip of James Franco from the other
• 1:14:54
  Spider-Man where he He's like, now all I have is Spider-Man.
• 1:14:58
  And I was like, that's how I feel, because it's like
• 1:15:02
  the last big thing of the summer. I thought it was the last big thing
• 1:15:05
  of the summer I had to look forward to. As, um, so Game of Thrones,
• 1:15:08
  uh, House of the Dragon premiere— not for me, but we got something else.
• 1:15:11
  Okay, but hold on, I'm about to say. So House of the Dragon premiere is
• 1:15:15
  next weekend. Um, huge— I'm not— premiere finale
• 1:15:18
  is next weekend. I'm really excited about that.
• 1:15:21
  Really good. I don't know why you don't watch House of the Dragon. You watched
• 1:15:24
  Game of Thrones, right? Yeah, they had their chance. They had their chance.
• 1:15:27
  And the baby scene ruined it for you? The baby scene? Wasn't it you that
• 1:15:30
  said the birthing scene? Oh no. Yeah, that was— it was just like, I'm not
• 1:15:34
  getting back in. Okay. And also, there's also— it's like that— it's like the,
• 1:15:37
  um, the Paramount universe from Taylor Sheridan. Like,
• 1:15:41
  I don't need to see the same location 100 years beforehand.
• 1:15:45
  Like, you know, I actually would rather know what happened after Game of Thrones.
• 1:15:49
  I'd rather them do Game Series 8 of Game of Thrones. You think that?
• 1:15:52
  Yeah, I'm telling you, even knowing— like, even knowing that, like,
• 1:15:55
  dragons don't survive this, it's fucking good.
• 1:15:58
  Anyways, so that's coming up, and then I have Spider-Man. And I
• 1:16:01
  thought that that was it. I thought that's all I had to look forward to
• 1:16:03
  until you so generously, as the excellent friend that you are,
• 1:16:08
  reminded me there was a final trailer that had dropped.
• 1:16:11
  Lanterns, baby! For the Green Lantern on HBO,
• 1:16:14
  the series with the great and powerful Kyle Chandler,
• 1:16:17
  who I don't I don't— does anybody not like Kyle Chandler? He's the fucking best.
• 1:16:22
  And so you and I watched it together before the show, and I like,
• 1:16:25
  I was like locked in. I was fucking locked in. I was like, I— this
• 1:16:28
  is a Western DC
• 1:16:32
  superhero, like it's everything. Also, did I see Nathan
• 1:16:36
  Fillion? Yeah, he's playing Guy Gardner with the haircut, right? He played,
• 1:16:40
  he played that. I meant to ask you that when I was— yeah, did you
• 1:16:42
  not see Superman? No, I, I hate the Superman Do you—
• 1:16:46
  did you not see the new Superman? It's a brand new full universe.
• 1:16:50
  All, um, David Corenswet. David Corenswet. You didn't see it? Not seen it,
• 1:16:53
  no. Should I? So Nathan Fillion plays Green Lantern in that.
• 1:16:57
  He plays Guy Gardner. So I'll see that, who's one of the Green Lanterns.
• 1:17:00
  Okay, so I think I should watch that. You need to watch Superman. You will
• 1:17:04
  fucking love Superman. I don't like— I haven't liked the other Superman movies,
• 1:17:08
  but I'm— I, I actually think you're right that I will. James Gunn. I really
• 1:17:12
  like David— exactly, I like James Gunn and I like David Corenswet. The way that
• 1:17:15
  he did all his promo was very cute. I will tell you, he plays—
• 1:17:20
  you're gonna love this movie. You're gonna love this movie. Maybe I will do
• 1:17:23
  that this week because
• 1:17:27
  then— when does Green Lantern start? This next week? This Sunday?
• 1:17:31
  I think next week. I think like August 6th, right? So that's— oh,
• 1:17:35
  Friday. Well, let's find out. When does it— August 6th is actually—
• 1:17:39
  because I have to watch Superman before that. Green Lantern
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  release date.
• 1:17:48
  You're gonna— are you gonna pop out of— oh, you're in YouTube.
• 1:17:52
  Oh, are you on? I'll tell you right now,
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  it comes out 8-episode series through October
• 1:18:00
  4th. What? It debuts on August 16th.
• 1:18:03
  Oh, 16th. Okay, so I have time. You got time. I will
• 1:18:07
  watch it while you're abandoning us. Oh, by the way, yeah, Note, we'll have
• 1:18:11
  to make that all at some point. I'll make the note that we are gonna
• 1:18:13
  have a week off. Yes, we're gonna have a week off. This is your first
• 1:18:17
  time taking time off from the podcast. I'm taking time. I have taken— I have
• 1:18:20
  taken— I took my Disney week off. Yeah, I need to— I'm taking a week
• 1:18:23
  off of all of the media for an entire week. I'm so proud of
• 1:18:27
  you. Going to Hawaii. Yeah, that's gonna be really, really nice. And I'm
• 1:18:31
  annoyed because you're gonna come back even more tan. Annie's gonna be super fucking tan.
• 1:18:34
  Yeah, everybody's gonna be tan. I need to figure something out. I'm getting I'm getting
• 1:18:38
  sunrashes. I'm trying to give you the pool for that week. You are trying.
• 1:18:41
  I am trying to give you the pool. I'm trying to get you tan.
• 1:18:43
  150-pound dog. I'm trying to get you tan. I'm just trying to get you tan.
• 1:18:47
  You're trying to— hey, all you have to do is wrangle the biggest dog
• 1:18:52
  in America. Think of all the content you can do in the studio. He's a
• 1:18:54
  sweet boy though. Think of all the content you could do. I could. I would
• 1:18:56
  be laid up in here. I could do my OnlyFans from here. I don't have
• 1:18:59
  OnlyFans. Finally. But the people— everyone's gonna be so excited. People are constantly— they're constantly
• 1:19:04
  accusing me of it. I might as well Well, I don't know what I would
• 1:19:06
  do though. I'm not gonna lie. You know what, I, I really—
• 1:19:10
  shots, knee shots, dude. You know what's so crazy?
• 1:19:14
  You know what's so crazy? That would probably still get me money if there were—
• 1:19:18
  if I was just like, I'm gonna show you sensual videos of my knees,
• 1:19:22
  there'd be at least 4 people who would pay it, like, no question, $20 a
• 1:19:25
  month for that. They'll be sending you knee pads to put on, like, wear this
• 1:19:29
  knee pad and send it back to me. Yeah, $100. Here's $1,000.
• 1:19:34
  I, I'm not— I think I might have just talked myself into it.
• 1:19:38
  Uh-oh. Uh, sorry, Chris. But yeah, we'll see. We'll see if I'm—
• 1:19:42
  if you guys see a shit ton of content from me in the middle of
• 1:19:44
  August from this studio for no reason, if I'm just like sitting in those chairs,
• 1:19:47
  it's because she's watching my dog. It's because I'm watching Cody's massive horse-sized
• 1:19:52
  dog. But he has a best friend that is a very small sweet girl,
• 1:19:56
  and so we love her too. Yes, that is. And we love Franklin. Yes,
• 1:19:58
  he is a good boy once he stops trying to put my whole hand in
• 1:20:02
  his mouth. Yes, he's a big fan of that. Yeah, he does that. He does
• 1:20:04
  that to Mocha too. Yeah, he wants— he's just got that, uh, because he is—
• 1:20:08
  what is he? Great Dane Pit Bull mix. Great Dane Pit Bull, that's right.
• 1:20:11
  And my, um, my mom's dog has Pit Bull in her as well, and she
• 1:20:15
  just— they want stuff in their mouths. Yep. He just— I don't know what it
• 1:20:18
  is. He just opens his mouth and he just like— he makes me put my
• 1:20:21
  forearm in it. It just— he doesn't like— yeah, he just puts his arm like
• 1:20:23
  that. He's just— I put my whole foot in my dog— my mom's dog's
• 1:20:28
  mouth. Like, she'll just be on the floor trying to bite it, and I'm like,
• 1:20:30
  here, then have the whole foot. And she's like— and she'll just let it sit
• 1:20:33
  in there. I'm like, you're gross. That's Franklin, man. He loves it. He's— all right,
• 1:20:36
  well then we could have foot-in-mouth time. Me and Franklin, we did it all.
• 1:20:40
  We figured out, uh, Tanya's upcoming, uh, OnlyFans.
• 1:20:43
  Finally, finally. Only knees. Only knees.
• 1:20:47
  It's gonna be amazing. And, uh, listen, we'll be back here on Friday doing our
• 1:20:51
  normal thing. We'll have Mocha, we'll have Tanya, we'll have myself, and of course hopefully
• 1:20:55
  we'll have all of you. Oh yeah, we have to make sure Mocha knows you're—
• 1:20:57
  what week you're off too. Yes, yes, Mocha, in 2 weeks I'm going to Hawaii.
• 1:21:00
  Although Mocha, I might need you here shooting my, uh, Only Knees. So, you know,
• 1:21:04
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• 1:21:14
  Friday. And, um, on Friday is when we're going to talk about, uh, Curt Schilling
• 1:21:17
  and the bloody sock. But finally we're gonna get to it. Yeah, yeah, because I
• 1:21:20
  always— baseball news now. We're in baseball news now. So now it makes more sense
• 1:21:24
  than ever. But until then, until that, uh, make sure—
• 1:21:27
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• 1:21:30
  We're constantly talking about stuff between these shows. And, uh,
• 1:21:33
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• 1:21:37
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