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SMNTY Classics: Women and Happiness (Part 4) · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
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  Speaker 2: I'm welcome to stuff I Never told you.
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  Speaker 3: Production to buy urry to you, and we're back with
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  Speaker 3: our final classic and the four parter that we did
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  Speaker 3: of Monday minis on women in Happiness and this one
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  Speaker 3: we kind of talk about the future and what that
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  Speaker 3: could look like and the importance of parody and things
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  Speaker 3: like that, and we do have some ideas of visiting
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  Speaker 3: some places, maybe doing some interviews around this what it
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  Speaker 3: could look like and where what it does look like
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  Speaker 3: in other places. So if you have any suggestions about that,
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  Speaker 3: please let us know. But in the meantime, please enjoy
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  Speaker 3: this classic episode.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
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  Speaker 2: I'm welcome to stuff I Never told re production of
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  Speaker 2: iHeart Radio.
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  Speaker 4: And Welcome Back. I guess we're doing a small mini
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  Speaker 4: Monday mini series.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there we go.
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  Speaker 4: Like that did not make sense in my head because
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  Speaker 4: it kind of brought back some conversations when we had
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  Speaker 4: the original. We were a little sarcastic in the first
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  Speaker 4: episode about what was happy, and then we talked a
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  Speaker 4: little more about what was actually being said, it's being
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  Speaker 4: happy or unhappy. We did talk about people who were
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  Speaker 4: unhappy in this third part, if you just listen, we
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  Speaker 4: talked about couples and who were the happiest couples and
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  Speaker 4: just talking about what some of those characteristics look like.
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  Speaker 1: And before we start, I do need to know.
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  Speaker 4: Where's the last place you went when we were traveling.
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  Speaker 2: It was Canada? Canada?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because I was in Florida at the same
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  Speaker 4: time and everything was slowly shutting down.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought I might not be able to get
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  Speaker 2: out of Canada.
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  Speaker 4: Oh that was Oh yeah, you were like I might
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  Speaker 4: be stucky.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, I forgot about it.
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  Speaker 2: About it now I was. I mean, of the places
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  Speaker 2: to be stuck.
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  Speaker 1: Who's not bad because you were in Quebec.
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  Speaker 3: No, I was in Uh oh my god, what did
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  Speaker 3: I say? I was in Montreal. I was in Montreal.
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  Speaker 4: I was very jealous because I wanted to come and
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  Speaker 4: I didn't get it invite. But it's okay, it's it's okay,
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  Speaker 4: it's okay. I got to hang out with some of
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  Speaker 4: our cold people's ease Anna Holly, so.
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  Speaker 1: You know, at least I got to do that.
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  Speaker 4: The reason I wanted to ask, because I don't know
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  Speaker 4: if it's anybody else.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody started to slowly travel.
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  Speaker 4: I've seen it, and I've been very jealous of that,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm still kind of weary, especially now all the
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  Speaker 4: mass mandates are gone. I'm like, yeah, I don't I'm
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  Speaker 4: gonna still wait. But people are traveling and it happened
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  Speaker 4: to be a conversation that when we talk about happiness,
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  Speaker 4: whe are some of the happy places. Because I was
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  Speaker 4: just like women in happiness. That's how I started googling it,
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  Speaker 4: and then it showed happiest cities, happiest countries, happiest places
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  Speaker 4: for women. I was like, okay, well, now we got
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  Speaker 4: to talk about that obviously.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, so we.
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  Speaker 4: Have a few articles and we're not going to read them,
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  Speaker 4: but we'll let you know it to articles that talk
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  Speaker 4: about the happiest countries in the world.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Yes, So we wanted to start with this
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  Speaker 3: article from afar dot com and the twenty twenty two
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  Speaker 3: World Happiness Report, and so we're just gonna read off
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  Speaker 3: the top twenty happiest countries in the world according to
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  Speaker 3: this report. Number one Finland, followed by Denmark, Iceland, Switzerland, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Sweden, Norway, Israel,
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  Speaker 3: New Zealand, Austria, Australia, Ireland, Germany, Canada, United States, United Kingdom, Chechia, Belgium, France.
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  Speaker 4: Finance is twenty. That's surprising. Wait, Italy's not on the
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  Speaker 4: list at all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some surprises.
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  Speaker 1: Here, some surprises.
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  Speaker 4: So I will say I have only been to two.
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  Speaker 1: The United States is on there.
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  Speaker 2: We've got some questions and follow up.
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  Speaker 1: I have questions. I have a lot of questions.
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  Speaker 4: We thought this was interesting because this is non gender based.
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  Speaker 4: It just says happiest countries in the world. So essentially
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  Speaker 4: they asked people on a scale of zero to ten,
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  Speaker 4: with the best being best possible life for them and
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  Speaker 4: zero being the worst possible, and trying to rank where
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  Speaker 4: people would put themselves. So obviously that means this is
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  Speaker 4: going to be very very very very very biased, which
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  Speaker 4: is why I'm very surprised that the United States is
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  Speaker 4: on this list for twenty twenty two. Don't get me wrong,
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  Speaker 4: I'm grateful for where I am. Feel very thankful and
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  Speaker 4: privileged to be at this place that I am.
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  Speaker 1: Being able to be on a.
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  Speaker 4: Podcast and talk about why are we on this list
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  Speaker 4: is a privilege in itself. But we know things are
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  Speaker 4: happening to the point that many people outside of the
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  Speaker 4: country are like, are you all okay?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they asked me that when I was in Canada.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, everything all right, are you good? Are good?
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  Speaker 4: There was one country that did score the lowest at
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  Speaker 4: I guess the way they ranged it was two point
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  Speaker 4: four oh four and then Finland was the top at
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  Speaker 4: seven point eight two one out of ten. So that's
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  Speaker 4: a lot of well I really need to know, and
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  Speaker 4: it does. It's a Gallop World poll that they use,
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  Speaker 4: so I guess we could go look at it and
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  Speaker 4: break down the numbers and who they asked. But I
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  Speaker 4: have questions. I don't doubt that Finland is on that list.
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  Speaker 4: I don't doubt that Canada has been on that list.
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  Speaker 4: They've been through some things, Ireland has been doing some
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  Speaker 4: big changes.
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  Speaker 1: I really want to go.
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  Speaker 4: This is the next adventure I want to have outside
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  Speaker 4: of trying to get an RV.
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  Speaker 1: I really want RV. Y'all went to look at one
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  Speaker 1: this weekend too.
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  Speaker 2: It was nice. Oh really, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It was nice because I had this thing happening there
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  Speaker 4: our neighborhood and I was like, oh, well you have airstream,
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  Speaker 4: you have you have RBS, let me go look.
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  Speaker 1: I digress.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, so yeah, I'm surprised Italy is not on here.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe Italians are a lot more honest than the rest
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  Speaker 4: of us.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I know, like obviously we don't have the numbers
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  Speaker 3: in front of us, but there have been correlations, are
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  Speaker 3: not correlations, but there people have looked at like these
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  Speaker 3: kinds of numbers and then put them side by side
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  Speaker 3: with something like gender equality or even parity in government
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  Speaker 3: to see how that might the linguage that might be there,
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  Speaker 3: the linkage that might be there. We talked about that
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  Speaker 3: a little bit in our part two of this Happy
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  Speaker 3: Many Monday mini series.
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  Speaker 4: It is.
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  Speaker 3: So there's just so many factors that go into too
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  Speaker 3: happiness for sure, and especially this being twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 2: I what a year to ask. I mean, I guess
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  Speaker 2: you could say that about pretty much any year, but twenty.
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  Speaker 4: Twenty two, the last three years is pretty much all those.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So these are based entirely on self perceptions, so that
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  Speaker 4: says a lot. And they said they bring in factors
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  Speaker 4: like strong social support systems among friends and family life, expectancy,
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  Speaker 4: traid to make choices, absence of corruption and government, and
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  Speaker 4: generosity when it comes to donating to charity.
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  Speaker 1: So an interesting.
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  Speaker 4: Report for sure, but you know, we had to take
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  Speaker 4: it another step and talk about what are the best
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  Speaker 4: countries for women not just people women. So we have
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  Speaker 4: a top ten list from usnews dot com, and essentially
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  Speaker 4: they're not the US DLDR. This is a twenty twenty
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  Speaker 4: one list, so it is a year behind. I do
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  Speaker 4: need to try to see if you can find it
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  Speaker 4: at number five.
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  Speaker 1: We're going backwards on this one. It's okay.
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  Speaker 4: Build up's Netherlands, which apparently rate thirty one out of
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  Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty six countries in the Global Gender
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  Speaker 4: Gap Report in twenty twenty one. So apparently I think
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  Speaker 4: I've never been. Have you wanted to go to the Netherlands.
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  Speaker 1: I've never been.
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  Speaker 2: I've been to the Netherlands.
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  Speaker 1: Your thoughts Did you feel like it was a great
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  Speaker 1: country for women?
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I should put a caveat here.
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  Speaker 3: I worked for the European Union for a time for
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  Speaker 3: like eight months, and through that I've been to pretty
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  Speaker 3: much every country in Europe. Every country is part of
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  Speaker 3: the European Union as well, which I guess obviously, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but I a lot of times I spent like I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, two or three days at a time in
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  Speaker 3: a place. So it was sort of I was there
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  Speaker 3: and I liked it, but I didn't get any sense
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  Speaker 3: of like, wow, this women.
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  Speaker 1: But it was nice.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, apparently some of the things that are great for
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  Speaker 4: women includes, uh, maternity leave, great place for new mothers.
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  Speaker 4: They're completely covered by entrance, so that's nice to see.
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  Speaker 4: We know that they're a little more socialists, a lot
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  Speaker 4: more socialist than the US and a lot of the
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  Speaker 4: countries and offer a lot more, especially when it comes
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  Speaker 4: to universal healthcare.
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  Speaker 1: So I feel like.
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  Speaker 4: That's gonna be why it tops a lot of it off.
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  Speaker 4: But maybe that's just me reading into things at where
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  Speaker 4: we don't have that number four Canada, which you were
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  Speaker 4: just that So did you feel like, once again I
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  Speaker 4: tell you it'll be the expert.
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  Speaker 1: Now this was a big country for women.
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  Speaker 2: Really, I have no space to be the expert.
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  Speaker 1: Really, since you've been there and I have not, this
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  Speaker 1: is where it's at.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I was there for a very specific conference. I
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  Speaker 3: happened to Canada multiple times, but this last time I
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  Speaker 3: was there for a very specific conference and it was
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  Speaker 3: a puppetry festival and it was lovely and again I
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  Speaker 3: had a wonderful time and I felt like in the
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  Speaker 3: specific venues and events I went to, it was very.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, fifty to fifty or maybe a little
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  Speaker 2: more women than men. So that was I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what that really means.
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  Speaker 1: But so I've also been in Canada.
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  Speaker 4: I do have a friend who lives in Canada, and
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  Speaker 4: I have gone to see her and really loved like
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  Speaker 4: hanging out with her.
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  Speaker 1: It was in Ontario.
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  Speaker 4: I think she's about to move to like Halifax, and
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, I gotta go see and green Gables
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  Speaker 4: home place. Obviously Prince Edward Island, I have to go
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  Speaker 4: to there, but yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously I wouldn't know this either because we didn't live
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  Speaker 4: in that area and get the benefits of the gender
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  Speaker 4: gap being fairly close, as well.
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  Speaker 1: As health care and all of that. But it seems nice.
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  Speaker 1: I would love that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like this is the problem we're going
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  Speaker 3: to run into with this, Samantha, is that we don't
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  Speaker 3: live in these places, right.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So.
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  Speaker 4: If in these places, please tell us about it and
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  Speaker 4: how you love it or don't like it or feel
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  Speaker 4: like it is.
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  Speaker 1: Great, sonets us to move there. Please. It doesn't take much, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: it won't take us, it won't take much. I will go,
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  Speaker 1: I will go there.
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  Speaker 4: Number three was Norway and I think we three out
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  Speaker 4: of one hundred and fifty six countries like day that's
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  Speaker 4: number three. It says generous paternally leave mothers can take
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  Speaker 4: thirty five weeks at full pay or forty five weeks
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  Speaker 4: at eighty percent pay, according to the World Economics Forum.
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  Speaker 1: So they have a.
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  Speaker 4: Really big appreciation for understanding that being a mother and
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  Speaker 4: giving birth is taxing and deserves to be paid.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, that would be nice to see.
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  Speaker 2: It would be.
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  Speaker 1: Number two is Denmark. I want to go. I want
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  Speaker 1: to go to the Denmarks. It moved down.
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  Speaker 4: It was apparently number one at one point, but now
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  Speaker 4: it's at number two. The government promotes gender quality by
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  Speaker 4: offering an earnings related daycare system and parental leaf policy
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  Speaker 4: that is probably one of the most flexible in the EU.
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  Speaker 1: So that's good to know.
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  Speaker 4: Again, there's a lot to be said about women feeling like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna be taking care of for these inconvenience. It's
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  Speaker 4: not that being pregnant it's an inconvenience, but it can
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  Speaker 4: be Let's be honest, it's not it's not a beautiful
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  Speaker 4: it's not always a you know, it's not glowy.
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  Speaker 1: Happy times for most women. It's hard.
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  Speaker 2: It is very hard.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: And then number one Sweden, uh moved up one position,
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  Speaker 4: so they they out did did Mark Ooh I.
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  Speaker 1: Want to see I want to see Sweden? And did Mark? Well,
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  Speaker 1: just fight. I'm just kidding, don't just kidding, just kidding,
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  Speaker 1: just kidding.
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  Speaker 4: But this is twenty twenty one, so the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 4: two report will be interesting. It was the most progressive
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  Speaker 4: attitudes towards gender quality, which was according to a report
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  Speaker 4: released by you gov, a UK based market research firm.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, apparently a lot of the Nordic countries really
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  Speaker 4: top this list. And I think that says a lot.
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  Speaker 4: How cold is Sweden?
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  Speaker 2: Though it's pretty cold. I had a friend who looked
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  Speaker 2: for a couple of.
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  Speaker 1: Years see I would like it, but it's too cold.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true. I find that really interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I did find this was like at least ten years ago,
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  Speaker 3: so please don't quote me on this, but I did
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  Speaker 3: find a really interesting article once I was talking about
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  Speaker 3: possible link between fashion and happiness for women and in
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  Speaker 3: colder countries, like you're covered up in your body might
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  Speaker 3: not be as objectified. Not to say that you can't
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  Speaker 3: be objectified in anything, but that was just an interesting
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  Speaker 3: I never really thought about that before, right, Yeah, this.
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  Speaker 2: Is way back in my brain, so.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, now it's in my brain too. So they have
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  Speaker 4: more of the rankings in here if you want to
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  Speaker 4: go and look at it. And yes, New Zealand does
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  Speaker 4: make it in the top ten in Switzerland, because I
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  Speaker 4: would have thought Switzerland would have been higher, but they
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  Speaker 4: were like the number seven. So yeah, they have definitely
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  Speaker 4: a lot of rankings. And if you want to keep
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  Speaker 4: looking at this list if you're wondering, Ireland's at thirteen,
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  Speaker 4: Italy is at sixteen on this list, and the United
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  Speaker 4: States is at eighteen. I have more questions, but moving on,
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  Speaker 4: because we are in the US and we were kind
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  Speaker 4: of interested. We did want to look at to see
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  Speaker 4: the happiest cities in the US, and I think I
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  Speaker 4: told you, ay, it was like fourteen out of twenty
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  Speaker 4: five was California based, right, So we're looking at this
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  Speaker 4: list from Mental Flaws, which was released March twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 4: so just recently they took data from finance sites from
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  Speaker 4: the US Census Bureau, the Bureau of Labor Statistics CDC,
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  Speaker 4: so several different organizations they took it out and did
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  Speaker 4: this whole metric system based on that. And yeah, California
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  Speaker 4: was at the top, including the number one city being Fremont, California.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't see many like southern states on here.
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  Speaker 4: I see Texas technically not southern, but kind of southern.
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  Speaker 4: I guess it's southern, but it's definitely towards west. Arizona
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  Speaker 4: I guess would be a part of that list as well,
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  Speaker 4: But those are the only two that I see. Definitely
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  Speaker 4: nothing from the southeast, which is where we're from in Atlanta.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not very surprised by that any on here. So
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  Speaker 4: it's all this list, Like I said, that's fourteen, that's California.
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  Speaker 4: There's one from Wisconsin, a couple from South Dakota and
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  Speaker 4: North Dakota. I was like, okay, there's one from Texas. Plano,
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  Speaker 4: Texas was at twenty two, which was a surprise. Scottsdale, Arizona.
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  Speaker 4: No shade to Scottsdale, but Arizona is like huh, there's
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  Speaker 4: a lot of ups and down, so it's interesting to see.
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  Speaker 4: And then Madison, Wisconsin, I can see that, and Seattle, Washington,
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  Speaker 4: Oregon is not on here.
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  Speaker 1: That's surprising.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's one thing we haven't talked about.
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  Speaker 3: But there's definitely intersections of like race involved in all
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  Speaker 3: of this. Just so many, so many, so many factors,
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  Speaker 3: especially like any kind of self reported thing that happiness
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  Speaker 3: is pretty hard to quantify a lot of times.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So of course, again, like the statistics is based on
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  Speaker 4: economic status, so that says a lot of self CDC.
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  Speaker 1: That says a lot of itself. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: This article, if you're wondering what it is, is the
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  Speaker 4: twenty five happiest cities in America. You should go check
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  Speaker 4: it out in Mental Flaws, But within this article talks
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  Speaker 4: about if you can't move to this new city, you
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  Speaker 4: should try this science backed ways to feel happier. In
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  Speaker 4: a twenty fifteen article, it talks about ways to be happy,
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  Speaker 4: including we've talked about it, kind of the self care stuff,
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  Speaker 4: sweat it out, sleep more, go outside, get hobbies, turn
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  Speaker 4: out the.
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  Speaker 1: Tombs, write it down. It talks about sex.
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  Speaker 4: No essentially said even if it's a solo session. So Anie,
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  Speaker 4: you're doing great on that. You're doing great on that.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Congratulations.
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  Speaker 4: So they have all of these kind of backed up.
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  Speaker 4: And we talked about these lists before about how content,
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  Speaker 4: how to.
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  Speaker 1: Care for yourself, and how to de stress. It's kind
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  Speaker 1: of those same levels about if you can't go to
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  Speaker 1: these cities.
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  Speaker 4: And of course I would love to travel more, but
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  Speaker 4: I still have a little bit of fear, and I
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  Speaker 4: think that's going to be a whole thing that we
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  Speaker 4: need to go back and talk about the fear of travel. Now,
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  Speaker 4: me as an Asian woman, traveling seems scary.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: I don't want to go to New York. I don't
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: want to go to.
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  Speaker 4: California, although I love both of these states.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: However, the rise of Asian.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: Hate crimes, and again, I know it's more that I
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: see on the news and it's not as common as
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: I feel, but the fear alone is enough for me.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: I feel the same way about Florida. I go to
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: Florida just to see family and that would be it.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: But I definitely don't want to travel right now for
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: so many reasons, and no incidents have ever happened to me,
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: but just the fear that it's going to happen has
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: been a lot of trauma and wariness in traveling alone,
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: but one day I would love to travel again. And
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: I know we've talked about before we were having a
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: conversation with a wonderful traveling agency that we were going
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: to go to Portugal.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Which was not on these lists.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: Not we might need to rethink our lists, but going
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: to Portugal and trying out.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: But because of.
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: The pandemic literally I think it was twenty nineteen, in
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: the twenty nineteens when we started talking about it, twenty
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: twenty or like maybe by October it did not happen. Y. No,
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: they are wonderful and have contact with us, but almost
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: at the beginning of every year to be like how
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: about this year, yeah.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Or like the sales pandemic goes right and.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Still no right.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: Running away from your problems will never, ever, ever solve anything,
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: except for if you have legitimate reasons to leave, whether
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: it's you know, jobs or whatever whatnot.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: And that's not what we're saying.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: But it's interesting to see who is on these lists
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: and how these lists are made, and how realistic these
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: lists can be for women, non binary, queer people's and
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: marginalized peoples in general, because I don't know how much
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: that accounts for it, and I think we've talked about
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: it before about traveling, finding people who are going out
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: and really having the real conversations about feeling safe as
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: a black woman, or I follow an Asian woman who
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: travels as well and saying these are the places that
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: I felt safe, these are the experiences that I've had.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: But that's very important for us to really see beneath
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: just the statistics that's for the status quo.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Right right ray, And as we've said before, happiness is
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: really important. Stress does impact your physical and mental health,
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: and it can impact your lifespan. So this is like
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: a I mean, it can seem frivolous, it's very important.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: So that obviously we've thought so because we've had four
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: very long Monday meetings on it.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Now we have it's like we would love to hear
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: from you.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: Tell us what you think. Have you been in these places?
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: Do you live in these places? And you re disagree?
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: What do you see?
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Any of that?
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: Or tell us if you disagree with the list that
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: we're like, yeah, no, you're wrong, this is another happy
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: place that you didn't talk about.
• 20:07
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