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Cardinals stop skid against White Sox, what's next? · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

• 0:06
  Speaker 1: This episode was going to go one of two ways.
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  Speaker 1: We were either going to talk about the Saint Louis
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: Cardinals riding their ship after a very much needed day off,
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  Speaker 1: or we were going to have to have a much
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  Speaker 1: more serious conversation about this ball club. Thankfully, for you
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  Speaker 1: Cardinals fans, it's the first one. Welcome back to Cardinal Territory.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Katie Wu. The Cardinals route the White
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  Speaker 1: Sox twelve to two in the first of three games
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  Speaker 1: in the South Side against the White Sox today. I
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  Speaker 1: am not with the team this series. I will meet
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  Speaker 1: back up with them on Friday at Bushadium. But you
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  Speaker 1: don't mean to tell you don't need me to tell
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  Speaker 1: you how important getting a win today was. Saint Louis
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  Speaker 1: coming into play today had dropped three of four to Milwaukee,
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  Speaker 1: lost seven of their last eight, ten of their last fourteen.
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  Speaker 2: You get the picture.
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  Speaker 1: It was pretty grim June so far, not great for
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  Speaker 1: the Cardinals. In fact, it's been their worst stretch for
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  Speaker 1: the team so far this season, and I thought it
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: was so so important coming back after he direly needed
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  Speaker 1: off day that pretty much everyone needed, gave the team
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  Speaker 1: an opportunity to reset, regroup, I thought it was so
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  Speaker 1: important that the Cardinals came out well rested and handled
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  Speaker 1: business against the White Sox today, and they did. Lars
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  Speaker 1: Newbar returned to the lineup after a mini hiatus.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get more.
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  Speaker 1: Into new Bar and what's been going on with him
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  Speaker 1: later in the show. He batted seventh today, and we'll
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  Speaker 1: also get to Allie Marmle's lineup configuration later in the show.
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  Speaker 1: But Brendan Donovan looks healthy after a minor scare with
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  Speaker 1: a toast brain. He missed four games but played again
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  Speaker 1: on Sunday. Looks to be all good there. Alec Burlison
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  Speaker 1: is heating up. All good signs. Big homer from Victor
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  Speaker 1: Scott the second today, who had been going through it
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  Speaker 1: offensively lately.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just break down the box.
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  Speaker 1: Score and we'll go and look at what changes Allie
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  Speaker 1: marmal made with his lineup. You'll start with Brendan Donovan
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  Speaker 1: batting lead off today, and you know, I think that
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  Speaker 1: worked out pretty well.
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  Speaker 2: He had a four hit day score two runs that'll
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  Speaker 2: play pubblo by Mason Wynn and his normal number two spot.
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  Speaker 1: Yvon Herrera bumped up to the three hole with Donnie
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  Speaker 1: and leadoff, Contra cleanup, Burlason, Aronado, new Bar down to seven,
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  Speaker 1: and then of course PAHs and Scott bringing up the
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  Speaker 1: rear in their usual roles. It's a different lineup than
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  Speaker 1: what we've seen pretty much all year. The results twelve runs,
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  Speaker 1: thirteen hits, multi hit games across the board. We mentioned
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  Speaker 1: Donovan's four hit game that was really exciting to see.
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  Speaker 1: At the top of the lineup, Herrera drove in four runs,
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  Speaker 1: got a home run taken away from him, continues to
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  Speaker 1: swing one of the most exciting bats on the team.
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  Speaker 2: Burlison goes deep. We talked about picture Scott leaving the.
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  Speaker 1: Yard and most notably for new Bar went hitless, zero
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  Speaker 1: for three, but he did walk and no strikeouts, so
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  Speaker 1: baby steps in the right direction for Newt. But honestly,
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  Speaker 1: while the offense was great and this is something that
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  Speaker 1: you're supposed to do against this White Sox team, what
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  Speaker 1: I was super encouraged by overall was Matthew Libertor coming
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  Speaker 1: out and posting a quality start. Here's the line from Libby.
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  Speaker 1: He went six in e ands, five hits, two in runs,
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  Speaker 1: no walks, four strikeouts.
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  Speaker 2: Through eighty six pitches, fifty eight.
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  Speaker 1: For strikes, that to me looks a lot more Libby
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  Speaker 1: like than what we've seen over the last three starts.
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  Speaker 1: This was his first quality start since May twenty fourth
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  Speaker 1: against the Diamondbacks, so that had three straight starts where
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  Speaker 1: his stuff just wasn't there. The below wasn't sustaining. Looked
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  Speaker 1: much better today for Libby. So that is all things
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  Speaker 1: pointing in the right direction for a Cardinals team that
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  Speaker 1: really needed to pick up the win today. Now, I
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  Speaker 1: know what you're thinking. One win against the White Sox
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  Speaker 1: does not mean that the Cardinals woes are fixed to
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  Speaker 1: No means am I suggesting that, But I am saying
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  Speaker 1: when you take into consideration of what the team looked like,
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  Speaker 1: that was a really tough series against the Brewers. We
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  Speaker 1: talked to Nolan Arnaudo on Sunday at an American family Field
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  Speaker 1: and he said, I don't know why, but every time
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  Speaker 1: we come to this ballpark, it's really hard to win here.
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  Speaker 1: And it got me thinking, Yeah, I can't really remember
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  Speaker 1: the last time the Cardinals won a convincing series in Milwaukee. Now,
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  Speaker 1: certainly they've beat Milwaukee before, but that's bet at Bush Stadium.
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  Speaker 1: That happened this year Already, they I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: it is about this team playing an American family field,
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  Speaker 1: but that was a disappointing series loss those division series,
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  Speaker 1: especially when you see how the National League Central is
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  Speaker 1: shaping up. We always make jokes that it's not a
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  Speaker 1: super competitive division. Well jokes hype be on us, because
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  Speaker 1: it's shaping up to be pretty competitive between four teams here.
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  Speaker 1: It was disappointing, and the Cardinals knew that June was
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  Speaker 1: going to be a stretch. This is something that Allie
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  Speaker 1: Marmel had said when May ended, trying to avoid a
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  Speaker 1: June swoon, but the scheduling fate was not on their side.
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  Speaker 1: Cardinals have, as you know, just two off days of
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  Speaker 1: their last one of the month was yesterday, and they
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  Speaker 1: needed it across the board. No one's making excuses, though
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  Speaker 1: no one said after the game, yeah, no excuses. Every
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  Speaker 1: team has to go through a point of their schedule
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  Speaker 1: like this. We have to play better. We have to
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  Speaker 1: beat our division. Opponents couldn't agree more. They weren't able
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  Speaker 1: to do that against the Brewers. I felt like today,
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  Speaker 1: give them the circumstances. You got a lot of guys
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  Speaker 1: that were given days off or time to rest or
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  Speaker 1: coming back from injuries, you get an entire.
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  Speaker 2: Team off day, come in handle a team in the
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  Speaker 2: American League that just really is not performing well.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they're doing better than last year, but low bar
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  Speaker 1: and go out there and get a win. Start this
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  Speaker 1: next stretch because the Cardinals have I think until July
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  Speaker 1: third before their next off day, so important to start
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  Speaker 1: this next stretch off with a win, and they do that.
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  Speaker 1: So again, my beloved Cardinal territory listeners and watchers, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not at all but at any means suggesting the Cardinals
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  Speaker 1: are fixed. I just really want to overstate the importance
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  Speaker 1: of them winning today because if they had just dropped
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  Speaker 1: to the Brewers, you know, got set by Toronto, had
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  Speaker 1: the off day, and dropped to the White Sox, I
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  Speaker 1: think morale be in a dangerously low place.
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  Speaker 2: Instead, we have something to build off. So we'll get.
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  Speaker 1: Into a little bit more about what I'm looking at
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  Speaker 1: All right, So, like we talked about Tuesday's lineup with
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  Speaker 1: most of the regulars back, I believe all the regulars
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  Speaker 1: back actually looked much different than the lineup we've been
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  Speaker 1: accustomed to seeing all season long.
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  Speaker 2: We'll start with the leadoff spot.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, we know that Laras Newbar has been going through
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  Speaker 1: it lately, probably one of the worst slumps of his career.
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  Speaker 1: It got so bad on Friday against the Brewers, a
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  Speaker 1: three to two loss for the Cardinals. Lars went zero
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  Speaker 1: for five with four strikeouts, including the strikeout that ended
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  Speaker 1: the game with runners and scoring position. First credit to Newbar,
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  Speaker 1: who made himself available after the game full uniform. We
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  Speaker 1: come in the clubhouse, He's sitting at his locker and
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  Speaker 1: doesn't shy away from the moment. He owns it.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: He said I wasn't there for it, and I was
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  Speaker 1: doing a different interview, but I did acknowledge that he
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  Speaker 1: did make himself available to reporters.
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  Speaker 2: Told the other reporters that, you know, hey, this is.
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  Speaker 1: Something I'm going through. It's difficult. Obviously he wants to
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  Speaker 1: be doing much better. But I thought it was very
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  Speaker 1: commendable that new Bar, as soon as we came in,
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  Speaker 1: when media opened to the clubhouse, was there ready to
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  Speaker 1: talk about it. Not every single player does that. The
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  Speaker 1: Cardinals have done a really nice job across the board
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  Speaker 1: with that. This is the first time that I can
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  Speaker 1: remember Newbar being in a position where he'd been struggling
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  Speaker 1: this poorly to have to.
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  Speaker 2: Be in that situation, but he did.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, it's always appreciated, I think, from both media
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  Speaker 1: and fans alike when players can be accountable for that.
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  Speaker 1: But back to why we're talking about Lars in the
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  Speaker 1: first place. The slump in June got so bad, I'll
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  Speaker 1: read it here coming into play today, So these stats
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  Speaker 1: do not include today's game. New Bar from June first
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  Speaker 1: was hitting. This is a slash line one fourteen, two
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  Speaker 1: thirty five one fourteen. Yes, that's a one fourteen slugging percentage,
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  Speaker 1: just an ops of three forty nine, no homers, no
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  Speaker 1: runs batted in, a whopping nineteen strikeouts, And to me,
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  Speaker 1: that is the teller that Lars.
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  Speaker 2: Newbar is not going well, because.
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  Speaker 1: Something that makes him so effective as a hitter, especially
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  Speaker 1: a lead off hitter, is his plate discipline. And this
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  Speaker 1: is something I talked with Ali Marmal about as well.
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  Speaker 1: He's searching and you can tell that he's not feeling
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  Speaker 1: right in the box because he's swinging to a lot
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  Speaker 1: of pitches outside of the zone that has never been
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  Speaker 1: the type of hitter that Lars Newpar has been in
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  Speaker 1: the major leagues. It's led to a huge amount of
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  Speaker 1: strikeouts and swing and miss not a lot of contact.
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  Speaker 1: He walked six times in those thirteen games, so the
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  Speaker 1: walk numbers are.
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  Speaker 2: About the same, but the strikeouts were really alarming.
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  Speaker 1: So long winded explanation of saying, after that Friday game,
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  Speaker 1: while there's I think an intent to play these players
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  Speaker 1: through their slumps because this is about the runway and
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  Speaker 1: opportunity year right, it got to the point where playing
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  Speaker 1: new Bar every day was actually going to be detrimental
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  Speaker 1: to his mental health and his progress. So Olie Marvel
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  Speaker 1: took him aside and said, hey, we're going to give
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  Speaker 1: you Saturday off, and we're ideally going to give you
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  Speaker 1: Sunday off, so that you have three days included in
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  Speaker 1: the off day on Monday to get right, mental reset,
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  Speaker 1: get your head in a better spot, and we'll play
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  Speaker 1: you on Tuesday. Now, he did say, we will use
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: new Bar as a defensive replacement or a pinch runner
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  Speaker 1: if the situation allows. They ended up doing that both
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday and Sunday, but it was so important for
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  Speaker 1: the Cardinals and for new Bar that he did not
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  Speaker 1: take any advance until Tuesday. They hope that this will
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  Speaker 1: help him find his budding back in the batter's box because,
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: as Ali Marmal has said, for this group to work
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  Speaker 1: for this idea of twenty twenty five to be both
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  Speaker 1: about runway and results, Lars Newfar has to be a
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  Speaker 1: key person in that. They need him to get right
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  Speaker 1: and they need him at the top of the order.
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  Speaker 1: But him being the leadoff man right now is not
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  Speaker 1: helpful for both him or the team.
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  Speaker 2: So need to get him back of the lineup because
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  Speaker 2: he needs to play.
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  Speaker 1: But dropping him down to seven, where he's a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more protected, makes a lot of sense. Who are
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: you going to step up in that moment, ce Brendan Donovan.
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  Speaker 2: Because of course, of course he is.
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  Speaker 1: He has been the Cardinals' most valuable player this year,
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  Speaker 1: and you look what Brendan Donovan does as a hitter.
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  Speaker 1: The only reason I didn't like him in the leadoff
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  Speaker 1: spot was because I like him so much in the
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  Speaker 1: three hole, and that's coming from someone who did not
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  Speaker 1: like him the three hole when the season started.
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  Speaker 2: So he just goes ahead and shows you what I know.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for subscribing, But when it came down to
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: know each player in their strengths, I'm not sure there
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  Speaker 1: was a better option there.
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  Speaker 2: You could maybe argue Mason Winn and I wouldn't.
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  Speaker 1: Disagree, but I saw what the organization, what Ali was
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  Speaker 1: thinking putting Donovan in the leadoff role. I'm not just
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: saying that because he got four hits today. I think
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: his overall skill set, his ability to make contact. We
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  Speaker 1: know he hits the ball, we know he gets on base,
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: we know he doubles a ton. Those are all good
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  Speaker 1: characteristics of a leadoff hitter as well. So that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: But if you have Donovan out of the three hole
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  Speaker 1: and batting leadoff, well, you need someone with just as
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  Speaker 1: much power and impact in that three hole spot. That
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  Speaker 1: to me was made a lot of sense. I mean
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  Speaker 1: that one was not hard to figure out. Who would
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  Speaker 1: backfill Donnie.
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  Speaker 2: It's Herrera.
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  Speaker 1: Yvon Herrera just continues to be such a professional hitter
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  Speaker 1: for this lineup. He's transformed what this Cardinals offense can
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  Speaker 1: do and in a way has made things a little
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: bit more complicated for the overall roster construction.
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  Speaker 2: We talked about this up on the Athletic after the
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  Speaker 2: Brewer series. Nolan Gorman, who has.
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  Speaker 1: Done a really nice job, has a nice June, has
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  Speaker 1: one of the highest ops's on the team in June,
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  Speaker 1: he's been relegated back to the bench. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: fair to question why he did not start today against
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  Speaker 1: a righty starter for Chicago.
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  Speaker 2: I two would that if I was there.
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  Speaker 1: But you look at what the Cardinals are trying to accomplish,
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  Speaker 1: and Ali Marmal is trying to accomplish. The plan was
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  Speaker 1: Herreeric to be the everyday catcher, Gorman to DH Donovan
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  Speaker 1: at second to new barn Walker in the corners right.
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  Speaker 2: However, this is no knock on Herrera.
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  Speaker 1: Pedro Pahes has emerged as the far superior defensive catcher
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  Speaker 1: and the pitching staff and overall game planning and overall
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  Speaker 1: defensive alignment that is not measured in the box score
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  Speaker 1: or measurement Baseball Savant or fangrafts, really and however you
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  Speaker 1: want to look at it, but it means so much
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  Speaker 1: to this pitch to contact staff that the Cardinals feel
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  Speaker 1: like they need to play him every day. But at
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  Speaker 1: the same time, they are not taking Herrera's bat out
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  Speaker 1: of this lineup, so he becomes the mostly everyday DH.
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  Speaker 1: Then what do you do with Gorman. You can put
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  Speaker 1: him at second base, but Donovan is the superior second
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  Speaker 1: basement defensively, and you lose a lot of defensive value
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  Speaker 1: at second base if you put Gorman there and you
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  Speaker 1: put Donovant in the corners, you also lose defensive value
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  Speaker 1: in the corner outfield spots if you have Donovan.
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  Speaker 2: There over someone like new Bar.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of a wash with Donovan and Walker. I
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  Speaker 1: don't have the exact stats in front of me, but
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  Speaker 1: the eye test will tell me it's about the same.
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  Speaker 1: But the overall best defensive outlook for this club as
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  Speaker 1: Pedro Pa has behind the plate, Brendan Donovan at second
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  Speaker 1: Lars Dubar had left von Herrera as the DH. Nolan
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  Speaker 1: Gorman then gets left to the bench. Now don't love
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  Speaker 1: that for Gorman, of course, because I do think he
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  Speaker 1: is part of the you know, was named part of
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  Speaker 1: this transition season.
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  Speaker 2: It was him and Walker the defining names here.
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  Speaker 1: But when you look at how the bench is currently constructed,
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  Speaker 1: stay with me. The Cardinals don't have an impact bat
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  Speaker 1: off the bench outside of Gorman right now. Everyone else
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  Speaker 1: on the bench or they're pretty much role players. That's
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  Speaker 1: what happens when the Cardinals carry essentially three catchers, and
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  Speaker 1: you know Poso is the best right handed bat off
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  Speaker 1: the bench there, but Barrero his entire role is to
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  Speaker 1: offer protection for the middle end field, specifically Mason Win
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  Speaker 1: and go out and pinch run if needed. So you
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  Speaker 1: don't really have a lot of depth in your bench
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  Speaker 1: as currently constructed until you bring Gorman there, Walker off
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  Speaker 1: the bench.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes you can have Burleson off the bench.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes just having an impact bat off the bench will
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  Speaker 1: make this lineup a lot more dynamic. They didn't have
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  Speaker 1: that because New bar had that two day hiatus, because
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  Speaker 1: Donovan was dealing with stuff. He missed three of the
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: four games against Milwaukee, because Jordan Walker missed two of
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: the four games against Milwaukee, their bench was really thin.
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  Speaker 1: So for all of the clamor on why Nolan Gorman
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  Speaker 1: was not in the lineup today and I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what the exact playing time role will be for him
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  Speaker 1: going forward, I get it, it's valid, but you think
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  Speaker 1: about what would it happen, the impact it would have
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  Speaker 1: in late inning games to have someone like Gorman's bat
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  Speaker 1: off the bench.
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  Speaker 2: I like it.
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  Speaker 1: I understand it again, It's not perfect. Nothing about this
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  Speaker 1: roster was ever supposed to be perfect. We knew that
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  Speaker 1: on opening day, but today it worked out. I'll be
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: interested to see how this continues to go forward. I
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: don't expect Lars Newbar to bat seventh forever, but I
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  Speaker 1: imagine some version of this lineup going forward in the
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  Speaker 1: near future as the Cardinals works to get a new bar.
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  Speaker 1: Right of sure, seems like they have a pretty viable
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  Speaker 1: replacement right now.
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  Speaker 1: All right, all right, all right. So the Cardinals did
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: what they were supposed to do. They got a much
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: needed win to open the set against the White Sox.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: Now what's next, It's a very fair question. They need
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: to keep it up.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Obviously, taking a series from the White Sox, it has
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: to happen. I'm not over here asking for a sweep
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: sweeps so hard, but taking two of free from this team,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: it's a must. Cardinals have their race in sunny gray pitching.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: On Wednesday, Eric Funny makes his return to the White
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Sox that's being traded almost a year ago to close
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: out the series on Thursday, you hope that at least
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: one of your top two pitchers can go ahead and
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: shut down this White Sox offense. And to be fair
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: of the Chicago team that has not really had a
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: lot of problem with their pitching, it's been the other
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: side of the ball, the offensive production that has really
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: plagued them.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: So you feel confident.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: About at least one of Sunny Gray and or Eric
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Fetti posting against this White Sox team and putting the
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Cardinals in a position to take home a series win.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: They really need it, because when the Cardinals come.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Back to Bush Stadium on Friday, first very important Cole
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Swindell concert. That's what I'm looking at postgame concerts either.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: But on a real note, three games against the Reds
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: and then four at home against the first place Cubs
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: this homestand I don't really think it's out of the
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: question or dramatic to say that this upcoming homestand can
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: really start to cement the immediate future of this club
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: as we shift to July and as we shift to
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: the two scariest words of the summer trade deadline. And
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: I've been getting a lot of questions about what are
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: the Cardinals going to do with the trade deadline. Are
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: they buyers, are they sellers? Are they holders? What about
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: the future? Are they going to go for it? Who's
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: in charge? So much remains unknown because it's going to
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: depend on what this team does in the next two
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: three weeks leading into.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: The All Star Break.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: But this stretch right here, seven consecutive games against division opponents,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: will say so much about this Cardinals club. Let's pull
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: up these standings in the NL Central recordings at around
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: ten PM on Tuesday night, I think all of the
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: games are done. Yeah, they're for the Cubs running away
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: with it. They're forty five and twenty eight. They have
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: a six and a half game lead over the Brewers,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: so they're in second place, and the Cardinals and the
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Red thirty eight and thirty five, seven games back.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: In that division. You let this division spiral.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: If you're the Cardinals, you let this this gap between
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: them and the Cubs get to double digits at the
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: end of June.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: That is I think.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: I don't think that can happen if you are looking
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: to be buyers at the deadline. There's also another thing
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: to weigh, as you know, is the organization going to
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: consider playoff contention overall. At the Cardinals are still in
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: it for the wildcard spot come the trade deadline, would
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: they go for it? Or is this just strictly divisional matchup?
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Let's check the wildcard standings because that's fun to do
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: in June. Really means something right now, Wow, the Cardinals
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: would be two games out of a wild card spot.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: There'd be Phillies, the Giants who did some crazy things
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: over the weekend trading for Raphile Devers Bester Posey went
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: crazy for that, and the Padres would get the last spot.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: It'd be the Brewers, Reds and the Cardinals, O go
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: figure fighting to get in there, all separated by half
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: of a game. So clearly this division is already shaping
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: up to be super important. And you know what, it's
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: about time that we had a competitive NL Central where really,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think the Cubs. I don't want to
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: go out and say they're running away with it on
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: June seventeenth, because we still have over half of the
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: season to play. But when you're looking at where the
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Brewers and the Cardinals and the Reds all stand up
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: next to each other, I think they're really close.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: And that's going to be intriguing to watch.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: So this next homestand first things first, get through the
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: White Sox series, get a series win, get everyone feeling
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: a little bit better about the situation. Then when you
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: come home, handle business against the Reds and handle business
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: against the Cubs.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: See where you stack up at the end of the
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: month after that homesta. And because then you.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Have another ten game trip on the road. Oh it's
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: not just seven games, it's ten. Yeah, ten games in
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: the next two weeks against division opponents. Because the Cardinals
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: go three in Cleveland, three in Pittsburgh, and then three
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: right back in Chicago Rigley Field from fourth of July weekend,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: So that will be insane. Yeah, a lot can happen
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: in the next two weeks. And I don't want to be,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: you know, the bearer of dramatic news, even though I
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: love drama. But we have just a limited amount of time,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: less than a month before the All Star break, and
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: so many division games in between those timelines. We could
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: be having two entirely separate conversations about the trade deadline.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: With this team, it all depends on how they perform.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: So that's what.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at over the next two weeks or so
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Bernie and I. We've had some weird scheduling things going on,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: but he and I will be back to preview not preview,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: recap the White Sox series on Thursday, and we'll get
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: a series recap about the Reds as well. I am
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: going to kick back, relax and listen to Chip Carry
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: and Brad Tom on the next two days from home,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: and hopefully when the Cardinals come back to Bush Stadium
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: they're in a much better spot than when they left
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: American Family Field, because that was grim.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: All right, Cardinal.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Territory fans, be back with you later in the week.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Thanks as always for watching Talk Soon