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- 0:09Speaker 1: Hey guys, it's Greg Nicotero from The Walking Dead.
- 0:11Speaker 2: This is Movie Meltdown.
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- 1:15Speaker 5: To your stations, we have a movie meltdown.
- 1:18Speaker 4: Anytime you got nothing to do, lots of time to
- 1:20Speaker 4: do it, come up.
- 1:31Speaker 6: What's up?
- 1:32Speaker 2: Welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian, and joining me this
- 1:34Speaker 2: week is... Ryan Case. And Dick Starr. And you're... we've...
- 1:41Speaker 2: In the past, as anyone who listens somewhat regularly knows,
- 1:44Speaker 2: I constantly rope artists in because I love visual artists
- 1:48Speaker 2: on the audio format. But usually I'll do that and
- 1:52Speaker 2: we'll go into like art inspirations and what led you
- 1:56Speaker 2: to art and that thing. But I think we've covered
- 1:58Speaker 2: that on both of you. So this week we were like,
- 2:01Speaker 2: let's hang out together and then we're just going to
- 2:03Speaker 2: see where the hell we go. So. I think the
- 2:06Speaker 2: only direction we had was maybe things that got us
- 2:10Speaker 2: interested in movies and that type of thing. But Lord
- 2:13Speaker 2: only knows where we're going. So thank you both for coming,
- 2:16Speaker 2: and Lord knows what we're going to fall into.
- 2:19Speaker 1: Thank you for having us.
- 2:20Speaker 6: Yeah, man, appreciate it.
- 2:22Speaker 2: Where would you like to begin?
- 2:26Speaker 6: Let's begin back at the beginning.
- 2:29Speaker 1: Before the beginning, the pre-beginning.
- 2:31Speaker 2: Before there was film. There was the, we need what, Nickelodeons?
- 2:35Speaker 2: Let's start with Nickelodeons. What's your favorite Nickelodeon reel?
- 2:39Speaker 1: Dude, the up-close shots of Ren and Stimpy.
- 2:42Speaker 2: Oh, hey, that is.
- 2:43Speaker 1: That was a life changer.
- 2:45Speaker 2: That was kind of R, actually. I don't know what
- 2:48Speaker 2: to do with those even now.
- 2:49Speaker 6: Oh, no, those were like probably the best parts of
- 2:52Speaker 6: the show because they were so detailed and gross.
- 2:55Speaker 2: And who like, again, that's one of those because we,
- 2:57Speaker 2: in just a recent episode, we like were diving into
- 3:01Speaker 2: the Are You Afraid of the Dark World? But then, like,
- 3:04Speaker 2: in general, I was like, nobody had any rules back then. Like,
- 3:08Speaker 2: it wasn't that long ago. It's in our freaking lifetime. But, like,
- 3:12Speaker 2: there was just, they let whatever go. And nobody was
- 3:15Speaker 2: sitting there going, whoa, whoa, wait, wait. Guys, guys, this cat.
- 3:18Speaker 6: He's really gross.
- 3:19Speaker 2: Like, why are you putting this on TV for children? Like,
- 3:22Speaker 2: this close-up with the litter box. Do we need that
- 3:25Speaker 2: in this episode?
- 3:26Speaker 1: Literally chewing on cat litter. And you can hear it.
- 3:30Speaker 1: I can still hear it now.
- 3:31Speaker 2: The gritty kitty. You know, you can hear the crunch
- 3:33Speaker 2: of gritty kitty.
- 3:33Speaker 1: It stays crunchy even in milk.
- 3:36Speaker 6: Well, even when they did the yogi bear, you know,
- 3:40Speaker 6: and they do the close-ups of the butt getting redder
- 3:42Speaker 6: as they slap you. It's just like, it's classic.
- 3:47Speaker 2: Oh, God. So, I guess what, as we're going into
- 3:53Speaker 2: what led us into this weird world that we currently
- 3:56Speaker 2: live in, what demented things led you down the road
- 4:00Speaker 2: to what you like, movie-wise and otherwise, I guess?
- 4:04Speaker 4: Movie-wise?
- 4:07Speaker 1: My dad took me to see Gremlins when it first
- 4:09Speaker 1: came out. And I think I was four or five
- 4:12Speaker 1: years old.
- 4:12Speaker 2: The reason PG-13 exists. That and indeed Gremlins.
- 4:18Speaker 1: I loved it because I always, I mean, I was
- 4:21Speaker 1: always drawing as a kid and always drawing monsters and
- 4:23Speaker 1: weird skulls and creepy stuff. And he took me to
- 4:27Speaker 1: go see it. And, you know, at the end when,
- 4:29Speaker 1: was it Jonathan Winters was the dad?
- 4:31Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 4:32Speaker 1: And he's saying, like, you know, if the lights go
- 4:34Speaker 1: out or, you know, you just might have a gremlin. Well,
- 4:37Speaker 1: in the house that I grew up at, to get
- 4:39Speaker 1: to my bedroom, I had to go up the stairs
- 4:41Speaker 1: and down this long hallway. And there were two light
- 4:44Speaker 1: switches there. So the second I would get to the
- 4:46Speaker 1: top of the stairs, my dad would flip the bottom
- 4:49Speaker 1: so that it'd be dark. So I'd have to run
- 4:51Speaker 1: to the end of the hall to flip this other
- 4:52Speaker 1: switch so that the gremlins wouldn't get me. So he
- 4:56Speaker 1: would do stuff like that and like hide under my
- 4:58Speaker 1: bed and grab my ankles. It was terrifying me and
- 5:01Speaker 1: I loved it.
- 5:03Speaker 2: Yeah. They might take you away if this were, you know,
- 5:05Speaker 2: growing up now, I think another parent would report you.
- 5:10Speaker 1: And like, yeah, there's stuff like that just brought me
- 5:13Speaker 1: into this weird world. I was like, wait a minute,
- 5:16Speaker 1: those are puppets that somebody made? How do I do that?
- 5:22Speaker 2: And we're still trying to get to that puppet point
- 5:23Speaker 2: right now.
- 5:24Speaker 6: Yeah, we're trying to get back to the puppet.
- 5:26Speaker 2: I've got a few of mine. I'm planning. That's the
- 5:30Speaker 2: continual threat because I don't have time to actually do it.
- 5:32Speaker 2: Because I did my test run videos on my puppets and.
- 5:35Speaker 7: I'm like, good Lord, this takes forever.
- 5:37Speaker 2: So now they're just in a tub and I'm like,
- 5:40Speaker 2: when I retire, I can make my puppet movies. But
- 5:43Speaker 2: it took so long, like.
- 5:46Speaker 7: Not just filming it, but then trying to edit things.
- 5:49Speaker 8: Oh my God.
- 5:50Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm all for the puppets. I want to
- 5:52Speaker 2: create my own puppets world as well.
- 5:55Speaker 6: But speaking of which, has anybody seen the new puppet master?
- 6:00Speaker 2: No.
- 6:00Speaker 6: I didn't know they made another one.
- 6:02Speaker 2: I knew they were bringing it back again.
- 6:05Speaker 6: It's surprisingly good. And I think the reason is, no
- 6:08Speaker 6: offense to Charles Band.
- 6:10Speaker 2: I was going to say, is it still Full Moon oriented?
- 6:12Speaker 6: He sold the rights to allow the movie to be made.
- 6:16Speaker 2: Always a businessman, Charles Band.
- 6:18Speaker 6: No, totally. But also, he's made like 13, 14 Puppet Masters.
- 6:22Speaker 6: Let somebody else. And this one stars Thomas Lennon. Lieutenant Dangle.
- 6:30Speaker 6: It's got a super dark sense of humor. It's surprisingly fun.
- 6:35Speaker 6: I watched it within the last week or two.
- 6:37Speaker 7: Did he write it?
- 6:40Speaker 2: Well, you know what?
- 6:41Speaker 6: I don't remember if I saw it.
- 6:42Speaker 2: That's one of the things. I love him anyway, but
- 6:46Speaker 2: it's so much more interesting hearing him talk about his
- 6:50Speaker 2: weird ride getting to where he was because if you
- 6:53Speaker 2: look at the stuff he's written... It's such like mainstream,
- 6:57Speaker 2: like it's night at the museum kind of like mainstream stuff.
- 7:02Speaker 2: And he and that other guy from the state are
- 7:04Speaker 2: just like, yeah, we know what it is. Like we
- 7:06Speaker 2: know what we're writing, but like it's a great business model.
- 7:10Speaker 2: And like we get paid way more for doing this
- 7:13Speaker 2: than going back and doing whatever dumb stuff we actually
- 7:15Speaker 2: want to do.
- 7:16Speaker 6: That's exactly the point.
- 7:17Speaker 2: It's the one for us, one for them game. And
- 7:19Speaker 2: he's done so many huge movies. And you're like, wait,
- 7:22Speaker 2: he wrote that?
- 7:22Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 7:24Speaker 7: Yeah, I would be thrilled if he wrote it, too.
- 7:26Speaker 6: I wouldn't be surprised if he had something, maybe, because
- 7:29Speaker 6: it was funnier than I was expecting. Yeah. But I
- 7:31Speaker 6: do not remember seeing his name listed as a writer.
- 7:33Speaker 6: I just remember being like, oh, wait, was that his name? Like,
- 7:36Speaker 6: Thomas Lennon showed up in the credits when the movie
- 7:39Speaker 6: was starting. And then, yeah, I had no idea. I
- 7:41Speaker 6: had not seen the trailer or anything. I think it
- 7:43Speaker 6: was on Shudder. I just downloaded Shudder.
- 7:46Speaker 5: What's that?
- 7:47Speaker 1: I just downloaded Shudder for the new Creepshow.
- 7:49Speaker 6: Yeah, that new Creepshow is so good.
- 7:52Speaker 2: I love it. I got goosebumps just thinking about it.
- 7:54Speaker 6: It's so fantastic, man. I think they've only done the
- 7:58Speaker 6: first four episodes by now, but man, I already want
- 8:01Speaker 6: them to announce season two and three. Just go ahead
- 8:04Speaker 6: and announce the next four seasons.
- 8:05Speaker 2: I probably would have had more issues with it because, again,
- 8:08Speaker 2: they always try to reboot whatever, but I was like,
- 8:12Speaker 2: As soon as I heard it, it immediately had Greg
- 8:14Speaker 2: Nicotero attached.
- 8:15Speaker 6: And I was just like, all right.
- 8:16Speaker 1: Well, at least the effects are going to be good.
- 8:18Speaker 2: Well, I mean, even outside of effects. As much as
- 8:20Speaker 2: I even had issues with the story arc of what
- 8:24Speaker 2: was going on in Walking Dead towards the end. But
- 8:26Speaker 2: I could tell when I'm watching one of the episodes
- 8:29Speaker 2: he directed. Because he ended up being.
- 8:31Speaker 6: A really great director.
- 8:33Speaker 2: And there were so many amazing visuals or weird story
- 8:36Speaker 2: turns that you could tell he was involved in the...
- 8:40Speaker 2: the writing for that episode too, because it would do
- 8:42Speaker 2: stuff weird and out of sequence and like just way
- 8:45Speaker 2: artsy-er than most of the other run of the mill episodes.
- 8:48Speaker 2: And I'm just like... Who would have known this guy
- 8:51Speaker 2: playing with latex most of his life is actually super
- 8:53Speaker 2: talented as a director. I guess that's how you graduate
- 8:56Speaker 2: to that point.
- 8:57Speaker 6: I was just going to say, you spend enough time
- 8:59Speaker 6: on sets, getting direction, being around talented directors, talented actors,
- 9:03Speaker 6: and things like that. Yeah, you're going to pick up stuff.
- 9:05Speaker 6: I mean, some people become directors by their third and
- 9:07Speaker 6: fourth feature. They're like, oh shit, I want to do
- 9:09Speaker 6: that too. But some people never. It's like, this is
- 9:13Speaker 6: my thing, I love my latex, and you never see anybody.
- 9:16Speaker 2: But there are the other ones that are just like,
- 9:18Speaker 2: You can see, yeah, they're probably taking notes.
- 9:20Speaker 7: They're picking stuff up.
- 9:21Speaker 6: Oh, man, Tom Savini's done everything from, I mean, he
- 9:24Speaker 6: still does masks and special effects, but then he also
- 9:27Speaker 6: does production. He does directing. He does acting.
- 9:29Speaker 1: He still does the teaching.
- 9:31Speaker 6: He still does what?
- 9:32Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, yeah.
- 9:32Speaker 6: He's got a school, yeah. Like, I mean, the guy,
- 9:35Speaker 6: you know, I do, I respect a lot of people
- 9:38Speaker 6: that throw on those extra hats and take that. Because,
- 9:41Speaker 6: I mean, like Rob Zombie, I'm not a fan of
- 9:43Speaker 6: a lot of his movies, but at the same time, Dude,
- 9:45Speaker 6: the guy is a machine. You will never be able
- 9:48Speaker 6: to say, oh, that guy's a fluke. Dude, he doesn't
- 9:51Speaker 6: stop touring. He doesn't stop directing. He doesn't stop writing.
- 9:55Speaker 6: I don't know what he would do if he wasn't
- 9:57Speaker 6: producing something.
- 9:58Speaker 1: My favorite thing. about the whole Rob Zombie experience is
- 10:02Speaker 1: that he's going to do whatever he wants and he
- 10:05Speaker 1: doesn't care– about the feedback and black.
- 10:07Speaker 2: That he doesn't have. Which in a way is how
- 10:08Speaker 2: you should do it. But I'm usually the one going,
- 10:11Speaker 2: I don't really like what you're doing. But at the
- 10:14Speaker 2: same time, I'm just like, but I respect you doing it.
- 10:17Speaker 2: I do think there's talent there, but sometimes you're not.
- 10:22Speaker 2: Doing it right but again that's my opinion so what
- 10:24Speaker 2: the fuck do i well hey.
- 10:25Speaker 6: I'm not the one making the movie so that's why
- 10:28Speaker 6: like i can sit and complain all i want shows
- 10:31Speaker 6: or acting or anything like that but i'm not the
- 10:33Speaker 6: one doing it so until i nut up and make
- 10:36Speaker 6: my own movie or whatever then i'm just gonna have
- 10:38Speaker 6: to keep it in my armchair you know and i
- 10:41Speaker 6: might bitch with friends and stuff like that like with
- 10:43Speaker 6: you guys but at the same time it doesn't mean
- 10:45Speaker 6: i'm not gonna watch the next movie it doesn't exactly
- 10:47Speaker 6: i mean it's the same thing i keep going back
- 10:50Speaker 6: to pro wrestling if Monday sucked, well, we'll see what
- 10:53Speaker 6: happens next Monday. You know what I mean? It's like,
- 10:55Speaker 6: it's the same thing with, with Rob Zombie, with any
- 10:57Speaker 6: of those guys.
- 10:58Speaker 2: Like, that's why I think it's more frustrating with Rob
- 11:00Speaker 2: Zombie is I do think he's talented. And even as,
- 11:03Speaker 2: as a filmmaker, like there are visuals that I think
- 11:06Speaker 2: are amazing. And then there are other stuff that he'll
- 11:09Speaker 2: throw in.
- 11:09Speaker 5: I'm like, wait, wait, wait, what is that?
- 11:11Speaker 2: Like I, he almost needs somebody to counterbalance him. He
- 11:13Speaker 2: needs to be part of like a production team. That's
- 11:16Speaker 2: like somebody else going, whoa, whoa, whoa, reel this party in.
- 11:18Speaker 2: Cause this is, I don't know what you're doing with
- 11:20Speaker 2: this here or the editing is ridiculous here, but he's
- 11:24Speaker 2: got great stuff in him. It just sometimes gets overwhelmed
- 11:28Speaker 2: by his other crazy shit that he does. But he
- 11:31Speaker 2: is talented. I won't talk shit about him across the board.
- 11:33Speaker 1: I love directors that recycle stuff. Taking stuff from their
- 11:39Speaker 1: first earlier films and putting it into their later films
- 11:42Speaker 1: and just using the same type of visuals. I dig
- 11:44Speaker 1: that shit.
- 11:45Speaker 2: Well, I like people and this has become something it's,
- 11:47Speaker 2: it's a weird dividing line too, is somebody who can, again, I,
- 11:51Speaker 2: I think I've brought it up recently because I think
- 11:54Speaker 2: it's a generational thing. I think, you know, those like seventies,
- 11:58Speaker 2: you know, era, huge directors, we're still kind of coming
- 12:01Speaker 2: out of sort of original creating their own thing. And
- 12:04Speaker 2: then you get to the Gen X kids that grew
- 12:06Speaker 2: up to become directors. So by the indie nineties world,
- 12:09Speaker 2: Every one of those kids grew up watching stuff on cable,
- 12:12Speaker 2: on videotape. So like they just became their own video
- 12:15Speaker 2: store in their head. And all so many of them
- 12:18Speaker 2: did was pull from other stuff.
- 12:19Speaker 1: Right.
- 12:20Speaker 2: So, like, that became the thing is can you do
- 12:23Speaker 2: that and make your own product by the end using
- 12:27Speaker 2: nothing but pieces of other movies? And, like, Tarantino's, like,
- 12:30Speaker 2: the top of that. Like, he, everything is stolen from
- 12:33Speaker 2: something else. And blatantly, and usually, he'll totally own up
- 12:36Speaker 2: to it.
- 12:36Speaker 6: He's like, oh, yeah, obviously, this is what I'm doing.
- 12:38Speaker 2: Well, he's a student. But he will take all those
- 12:41Speaker 2: and make his own original thing. And you can't call
- 12:43Speaker 2: him out for, like, oh, this is so hacky because
- 12:45Speaker 2: it's so original and And it's so of his own
- 12:48Speaker 2: creation by the time he's done. And then there's all
- 12:52Speaker 2: these other guys that like grew up seeing that and
- 12:55Speaker 2: trying to do it and do it badly. And it
- 12:56Speaker 2: does feel like they're just stealing parts of other things
- 12:59Speaker 2: and slapping them all together.
- 13:00Speaker 7: So that's become, I think in.
- 13:02Speaker 2: This new, especially moving into this new post two thousands
- 13:06Speaker 2: thing is like everybody like that. Everybody has everything at
- 13:09Speaker 2: their fingertips. You can Google any movie ever made and find.
- 13:13Speaker 5: Out what you want.
- 13:13Speaker 2: So yeah, Nobody's coming in blind anymore with their own
- 13:16Speaker 2: original ideas. So this, yeah, I feel like now we've
- 13:20Speaker 2: got a whole new wave of kids growing up that
- 13:22Speaker 2: are like, what the hell are they.
- 13:24Speaker 4: Going to do?
- 13:25Speaker 6: Like, I don't know.
- 13:25Speaker 1: It's like with the rise of comic book movies. Like,
- 13:29Speaker 1: I've had to basically reprogram my brain to be like, okay,
- 13:34Speaker 1: going into this movie to watch it, you will forget
- 13:36Speaker 1: everything you know right now. Like, you will go in,
- 13:38Speaker 1: you will sit down, you will watch a movie, you'll
- 13:40Speaker 1: be entertained. You're not going to pick it apart.
- 13:43Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
- 13:43Speaker 1: Because that's what I used to do, and I would
- 13:44Speaker 1: hate everything. And then, I mean, I still hate everything,
- 13:48Speaker 1: but I'm nicer about it.
- 13:50Speaker 6: But I was going to say, you're not like the
- 13:52Speaker 6: Jennifer Anistons or the Martin Scorsese. Or, no, was it
- 13:55Speaker 6: Steven Spielberg, right, that said that Netflix movies are killing
- 13:58Speaker 6: the industry?
- 13:58Speaker 7: Killing the entire industry.
- 14:00Speaker 4: Fuck that. No, no, no, no, no.
- 14:01Speaker 2: I mean, again, I respect him as a director, but
- 14:03Speaker 2: it's just an old guy talking.
- 14:05Speaker 7: Yeah, that's way too old school.
- 14:06Speaker 2: It's a new world.
- 14:08Speaker 7: People are going to be.
- 14:09Speaker 2: Equally as creative, if not more so, than what you
- 14:12Speaker 2: started out with because they have so much more at
- 14:14Speaker 2: their fingertips now.
- 14:15Speaker 4: Right.
- 14:15Speaker 6: You just have to evolve. You have to move along
- 14:17Speaker 6: with it.
- 14:18Speaker 2: And the industry always did that. I mean, the stuff
- 14:20Speaker 2: he was doing in the 70s is not what they
- 14:21Speaker 2: were doing in the 30s. The whole system had morphed
- 14:25Speaker 2: into a new thing, so that didn't make you wrong
- 14:27Speaker 2: in the 70s and 80s.
- 14:28Speaker 1: Why would Hollywood remake a bunch of movies from the
- 14:31Speaker 1: 30s and 40s?
- 14:31Speaker 7: I mean, didn't he?
- 14:33Speaker 2: I mean, half of what he's doing, especially Indiana Jones,
- 14:36Speaker 2: is nothing but stolen from old.
- 14:38Speaker 7: Again, that's one that was done well.
- 14:39Speaker 2: It took a lot of... b-movie stuff and and like
- 14:43Speaker 2: slapped it together and stole from that old charlton heston
- 14:46Speaker 2: movie where he's wearing the leather jacket and the hat
- 14:49Speaker 2: and like it's like it's so completely stolen but it's
- 14:53Speaker 2: such nobody even realized then again because we didn't have
- 14:55Speaker 2: the internet but like you just watch it and it
- 14:58Speaker 2: was so of its own it was so lucas and
- 15:00Speaker 2: spielberg like morphed together and made this amazing thing and
- 15:04Speaker 2: everybody loved it but yeah you totally just stole a
- 15:06Speaker 2: bunch of other stuff And repurposed it and put your
- 15:09Speaker 2: own spin on it. And that's art. That's all these
- 15:13Speaker 2: kids moving forward are going to do. So you can't
- 15:15Speaker 2: shut down the system. It's just going to change. It's
- 15:18Speaker 2: constantly going to change.
- 15:19Speaker 6: I feel when people start bitching about one type of
- 15:22Speaker 6: movie being popular, like the whole, well, we need less
- 15:25Speaker 6: Marvel movies. It's like, well, you don't have to watch
- 15:28Speaker 6: Marvel movies.
- 15:29Speaker 2: I went my entire childhood without them.
- 15:31Speaker 6: That's the whole thing. I don't own a Marvel movie.
- 15:35Speaker 6: But at the same time, I'm still watching all my
- 15:37Speaker 6: favorite horror films. I'm still seeing any movie that comes
- 15:40Speaker 6: out that I want to see. I don't see what
- 15:43Speaker 6: the problem is. And they're making a billion dollars a piece.
- 15:46Speaker 6: Who's going to stop making that kind of money?
- 15:48Speaker 2: On both? sides there i'm like number one i do
- 15:51Speaker 2: like them and i think they've gotten so much better
- 15:54Speaker 2: like there's ones now that i'm like this is a
- 15:57Speaker 2: legitimately good movie take the comic book element out all
- 15:59Speaker 2: you want like winter soldier is a fucking awesome movie like.
- 16:02Speaker 6: Look at the first x-men yeah compared to Yeah, I mean,
- 16:06Speaker 6: it's a world of difference.
- 16:08Speaker 2: So it's like you can't just write it off just
- 16:09Speaker 2: because it came from a comic book.
- 16:11Speaker 6: Also, look at stories like Watchmen. There's a lot of things.
- 16:16Speaker 6: The Crow. I mean, Deadpool was a great example of
- 16:21Speaker 6: of an anti-comic book movie that was still a very
- 16:23Speaker 6: much so comic movie.
- 16:24Speaker 2: That would have never... You would think that's never going
- 16:27Speaker 2: to get transferred into a movie. It took such a
- 16:30Speaker 2: fight to get that.
- 16:30Speaker 4: It did.
- 16:31Speaker 2: And eventually they were like, oh.
- 16:33Speaker 7: No, this is how it needs to be. It wouldn't
- 16:35Speaker 7: have worked any other way.
- 16:36Speaker 6: And you know, part two... did you see part two yes.
- 16:39Speaker 2: I like it again i think that one has a
- 16:41Speaker 2: good story like the first one's just sort of fun
- 16:43Speaker 2: yeah but once you get the cable aspect i'm like
- 16:46Speaker 2: this is a legitimately good story.
- 16:48Speaker 1: Then they made the uh the pg-13 version i watched
- 16:51Speaker 1: that too i got that for the kids they loved
- 16:53Speaker 1: it i.
- 16:54Speaker 6: Was dying the fred the fred savage stuff the like he's.
- 16:58Speaker 2: Got him bound to the bed like yes and he's
- 17:00Speaker 2: like wait princess did you recreate the entire room.
- 17:03Speaker 6: For princess bride he's like Yeah, shut up. Yeah, it's great.
- 17:08Speaker 6: I mean, some of the word changes, some of the
- 17:10Speaker 6: way they cut the movie. I mean, it was still hilarious.
- 17:12Speaker 6: It was good. You still got it. Again, yeah, I
- 17:15Speaker 6: don't agree with all... It's the same group of people
- 17:18Speaker 6: that say, oh, all music sucks now. Or, oh, they
- 17:21Speaker 6: don't make any good movies anymore. It's like, fuck off.
- 17:24Speaker 6: You are one of those people that gave up.
- 17:26Speaker 2: And you put no effort in. If you don't like
- 17:29Speaker 2: Marvel movies, there's a ton of weird foreign movies that
- 17:32Speaker 2: you have never heard of that are probably way better
- 17:35Speaker 2: than anything you could even comprehend. But you're not going
- 17:38Speaker 2: to watch them because you're also too close-minded to go
- 17:40Speaker 2: over there either.
- 17:41Speaker 1: Did you see the Russian-type version of guardians of the
- 17:45Speaker 1: galaxy i can't remember the name of it but now
- 17:48Speaker 1: i think instead of having ricky rocket it's got like
- 17:50Speaker 1: this giant bear okay wait i saw the trailer yeah
- 17:54Speaker 1: do you know the name of it i can't think
- 17:55Speaker 1: of the name of.
- 17:55Speaker 2: It i did see the trailer for it it's it
- 17:58Speaker 2: looks it's well worth watching is this like a like
- 18:00Speaker 2: a netflix thing it's.
- 18:01Speaker 6: Kind of like uh is it on youtube i think
- 18:03Speaker 6: it might be on.
- 18:04Speaker 1: Netflix i'm not sure but uh it's kind of like
- 18:07Speaker 1: that uh not blind fury.
- 18:11Speaker 6: Wait, Kung Fury?
- 18:12Speaker 1: Kung Fury. It's kind of along those lines. Like, super
- 18:16Speaker 1: over the top. Like, everything's green screen. The effects are awful,
- 18:20Speaker 1: but it's so awful, it's good.
- 18:21Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 18:22Speaker 6: Oh, well, Kung Fury 2 just finished filming.
- 18:25Speaker 2: Oh.
- 18:26Speaker 6: And they've got everyone from Michael Fassbender to, I want
- 18:30Speaker 6: to say Arnold Schwarzenegger is in it. I think he
- 18:33Speaker 6: plays the president.
- 18:34Speaker 2: I'm not joking.
- 18:35Speaker 1: The guy that played Thor was on my Facebook friends list. Oh, really?
- 18:39Speaker 2: Andreas Colling, I think that's his name.
- 18:41Speaker 6: Okay.
- 18:41Speaker 1: He's an old weightlifter dude.
- 18:43Speaker 6: Dude, see, and I've got Edwin Wright on my face list.
- 18:46Speaker 2: The guy that is Skeletor, or Skeletron?
- 18:49Speaker 6: Skeletron? From Turbo Kit.
- 18:52Speaker 4: Oh, nice.
- 18:52Speaker 2: Yeah. Which was amazing. Dude, I love Turbo Kit.
- 18:56Speaker 6: See, that's another one.
- 18:57Speaker 2: Like, that is one that they took everything 80s, crammed
- 19:00Speaker 2: it into a blender, and put it on high, and
- 19:03Speaker 2: was just like, okay, this is what spilled out, and
- 19:05Speaker 2: it's fucking awesome.
- 19:07Speaker 1: But then you have the opposite end of that spectrum with, like, pixel.
- 19:10Speaker 1: Where they take everything 80s and put it in that
- 19:12Speaker 1: same blender and it's just a big old hot turd.
- 19:14Speaker 2: But again, it's like that is like that. And I
- 19:18Speaker 2: don't want to be that way.
- 19:18Speaker 7: Again, I feel like that's almost the same thing as
- 19:20Speaker 7: like all studios are stupid.
- 19:22Speaker 2: But I'm like, you see the bigger it gets and
- 19:25Speaker 2: the more studio involvement and producers behind the scenes like
- 19:29Speaker 2: pulling strings, how much everything gets watered down and dumbed
- 19:32Speaker 2: down and like everything becomes just that big middle of
- 19:35Speaker 2: the road mess. Whereas you let, obviously nobody was paying
- 19:39Speaker 2: attention to what the hell they were doing on that one.
- 19:42Speaker 2: Like they like they're just killing kids and nobody cared
- 19:46Speaker 2: like so i'm just like this obviously was indie to
- 19:49Speaker 2: the point that it had freedom to do and that's
- 19:52Speaker 2: when you get great indie movies like yes it suffers
- 19:55Speaker 2: from like budget but who cares like the effects still
- 19:59Speaker 2: look great to me in a cheesy way and i
- 20:01Speaker 2: love it more because of that so I don't know.
- 20:04Speaker 5: It's weird.
- 20:06Speaker 7: But yeah, so I don't want to, again, for someone
- 20:08Speaker 7: who loves Marvel.
- 20:09Speaker 2: Movies, like you can take those big budget movies and
- 20:12Speaker 2: that huge budget and put it into good special effects
- 20:15Speaker 2: and whatever and make a good movie. But at the
- 20:18Speaker 2: same time, it can totally kill your movie. So it's
- 20:20Speaker 2: like that's become the game. It's like if you're director
- 20:24Speaker 2: or producer or running an entire series of movies now,
- 20:27Speaker 2: it's like how do you walk that line and not
- 20:30Speaker 2: let their money ruin your movie?
- 20:32Speaker 4: Right.
- 20:34Speaker 5: It's a fight.
- 20:36Speaker 4: Oh, man.
- 20:36Speaker 6: I mean, I listen to a lot of podcasts and,
- 20:38Speaker 6: you know, commentary and stuff. And I hear that from
- 20:40Speaker 6: directors a lot. Like, they all bitch about how the
- 20:43Speaker 6: more production or the more, you know, like the higher
- 20:45Speaker 6: the level, the more input everybody has. And then they've
- 20:49Speaker 6: got to just, okay, well. You've got your input, your story,
- 20:52Speaker 6: but then you have to include this guy's thing because
- 20:54Speaker 6: he's putting up most of the money.
- 20:55Speaker 2: I mean, I kind of get it, though. Like, as
- 20:58Speaker 2: much as I want it to live in a vacuum
- 21:00Speaker 2: and have the director make their vision, if I was
- 21:02Speaker 2: throwing millions of dollars into something, I'd be like, hell no,
- 21:05Speaker 2: I'm going to make a call on what I think
- 21:06Speaker 2: needs to be done. So, like, I get it, but
- 21:10Speaker 2: it's a horrible system to be in, but yet this
- 21:12Speaker 2: is what, you know, we get so many great things
- 21:14Speaker 2: that come out of it. So, to me, it's amazing
- 21:17Speaker 2: that anybody makes a good movie. Think about how many
- 21:19Speaker 2: things are working against you. And yet the fact that anybody,
- 21:24Speaker 2: which I feel like as many as I see a year,
- 21:26Speaker 2: I still see a lot of really good ones. So
- 21:28Speaker 2: I'm like, we're lucky that somehow people have learned how
- 21:31Speaker 2: to fight the system enough that we get so many
- 21:34Speaker 2: solid movies every year. Again, the people that are complaining
- 21:37Speaker 2: there's nothing out there, I'm like, you're just not looking.
- 21:40Speaker 2: There's so much stuff, again, at our fingertips now.
- 21:43Speaker 4: You can.
- 21:44Speaker 2: google up any number of streaming services that have everything
- 21:48Speaker 2: so i'm like you you're just not putting any effort
- 21:51Speaker 2: in if you don't think there's anything good to watch
- 21:52Speaker 2: because i'm the other way i can't keep up like
- 21:55Speaker 2: i'm like i want to watch the new creep show
- 21:57Speaker 2: series i don't have time like there's nine other series
- 22:00Speaker 2: i wish i could watch and a movie i need
- 22:01Speaker 2: to watch for next week's episode and i'm like there's
- 22:03Speaker 2: too many things i can't.
- 22:06Speaker 1: You're just going to be sitting back in this big
- 22:07Speaker 1: Matrix chair with screens all over the place.
- 22:10Speaker 6: It's like content overload. You're just going to be Clockwork Orange.
- 22:13Speaker 6: Turn them on!
- 22:15Speaker 9: No!
- 22:16Speaker 6: It's a sin!
- 22:20Speaker 2: That's where we're headed. Yeah.
- 22:23Speaker 6: Well, there was a good story on... Shudder has a
- 22:29Speaker 6: show called Picard. And they basically just delve into everything horror.
- 22:34Speaker 6: So they'll go into how they do this, how they
- 22:36Speaker 6: do this, how they go about writing this and that.
- 22:38Speaker 6: And they do a spotlight on Halloween in one of
- 22:43Speaker 6: their episodes. The movies or the holiday? The movies, yeah.
- 22:48Speaker 6: Both are interesting. They're talking about the evolution of the mask.
- 22:52Speaker 6: And when they get to H2O, the funny story about
- 22:56Speaker 6: that was That the producer was watching in the theater.
- 23:01Speaker 6: Have you heard the story? And the director wanted a plane.
- 23:07Speaker 6: Like said that he wanted to start from the beginning.
- 23:10Speaker 6: One of the most basic white masks you could ever have.
- 23:13Speaker 6: And so they show this mask. And it looked like
- 23:17Speaker 6: a Wallace and Gromit character. Which are awesome, by the way.
- 23:21Speaker 2: But not what you want crammed in your Halloween.
- 23:23Speaker 6: You don't necessarily want to be stalked by Gromit. Crack
- 23:29Speaker 6: a knife wound, Gromit. Apparently, while they were screening the movie,
- 23:33Speaker 6: the producer stood up and said, That's not fucking Michael Myers!
- 23:38Speaker 6: And he made the director reshoot every single close-up with
- 23:44Speaker 6: a new... So apparently, if you watch.
- 23:45Speaker 7: So now it's got that weird fright wig thing?
- 23:47Speaker 2: Because there's way more hair in that one than.
- 23:49Speaker 4: I'm used to.
- 23:49Speaker 2: That's the thing.
- 23:50Speaker 6: If you watch every scene where he's walking from a
- 23:53Speaker 6: distance and walking across, that's all the dumb-looking, dumb masks.
- 23:58Speaker 6: But then you got all the close-ups are reshoots. And
- 24:01Speaker 6: I'm like, how did a director... Because again, without a
- 24:04Speaker 6: producer stepping in, how did a director get tapped to
- 24:07Speaker 6: do Halloween and not know what the fuck Michael Myers
- 24:11Speaker 6: looked like? Or not know that you need to have
- 24:13Speaker 6: Michael Myers?
- 24:16Speaker 1: Now you put it in my head that there's a version...
- 24:18Speaker 1: Of Halloween H2O that's like Wallace and Gromit.
- 24:21Speaker 2: Dude. And it's got to be seen.
- 24:22Speaker 6: I don't want to watch that. You have to look
- 24:24Speaker 6: up this mask. Like, when I saw that mask, I
- 24:26Speaker 6: started laughing.
- 24:27Speaker 2: I was like, no.
- 24:28Speaker 6: They did not film this.
- 24:29Speaker 2: Super weird timing, because I watched H2O last night. Oh,
- 24:32Speaker 2: did you really? Because I was going through, like, as
- 24:35Speaker 2: we coming out of Halloween, like, this, I was like,
- 24:37Speaker 2: I have not watched... And then the more I thought
- 24:40Speaker 2: about it, I was like, there's a couple of those
- 24:41Speaker 2: last ones I don't even know if I saw. I
- 24:43Speaker 2: remember them coming out, but I was like, I know
- 24:46Speaker 2: the basic plot line, but that's just because I'm a geek.
- 24:48Speaker 2: I was like, did I ever sit down and watch them?
- 24:50Speaker 2: So I went back, and then I found a cheap
- 24:53Speaker 2: version of Two, because I think I haven't seen Two
- 24:55Speaker 2: since like.
- 24:55Speaker 6: 20 years ago or something.
- 24:57Speaker 7: Oh, Two's one of my favorites.
- 24:58Speaker 2: Yeah, Two's pretty solid. Again, pretty minimal. I'm so just
- 25:02Speaker 2: in love with that first movie that it sits on
- 25:05Speaker 2: a pedestal on its own.
- 25:05Speaker 7: Oh, dude, it's one of my favorites.
- 25:07Speaker 6: It is perfect.
- 25:08Speaker 2: A perfect horror movie. It really is. So, like, anything
- 25:11Speaker 2: else you do, I'm like, well, I can't compare it
- 25:12Speaker 2: to that because that's its own thing. So, like, you
- 25:15Speaker 2: get through and it's like, two is pretty solid, but then, like,
- 25:18Speaker 2: I skip, because I'd watched four and five, I think,
- 25:20Speaker 2: when I talked to Danielle years ago. So, I'm like,
- 25:21Speaker 2: I kind of remember those. Five goes on a weird tangent. Yeah.
- 25:25Speaker 2: But then.
- 25:26Speaker 6: See, I've watched one through five, including three, within the last,
- 25:30Speaker 6: I don't know, month and a half, you know?
- 25:32Speaker 1: Like, I love those movies, but.
- 25:34Speaker 6: Yeah, once you start getting up in that.
- 25:36Speaker 2: Well, it's such a weird trajectory, like, all the way through,
- 25:38Speaker 2: because they keep, like, and what's funny is it is
- 25:42Speaker 2: the same producer, because I keep watching it, whatever that
- 25:44Speaker 2: weirdo's name is, that I'm just like, how are you
- 25:47Speaker 2: still running these, and you're, like, this storyline makes no
- 25:50Speaker 2: sense anymore. Like, they keep painting themselves into a corner,
- 25:54Speaker 2: and then they get to the next movie and go, no, anyway,
- 25:56Speaker 2: never mind about that. Yes, yes.
- 25:59Speaker 7: Uh-oh, we just looked at the, oh.
- 26:01Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no hair. I mean, it's there, but you
- 26:04Speaker 2: can't see. Which is funny, though. The eyebrows. We're looking
- 26:08Speaker 2: at this horrible mask from the non-reshooted version. But that's
- 26:13Speaker 2: what's weird. I noticed it last night.
- 26:17Speaker 6: Hold on, hold on.
- 26:17Speaker 2: I'm watching it last night and there's ones where he's
- 26:20Speaker 2: from a distance and it does. It looks like a
- 26:23Speaker 2: fright wig because it's sticking up everywhere. And I'm like,
- 26:26Speaker 2: that's not what the old mask did. So I'm like,
- 26:28Speaker 2: where the hell did they get this mask?
- 26:29Speaker 1: This is the one, the studio release that you can buy.
- 26:33Speaker 6: Sorry.
- 26:35Speaker 2: Go get yourself one.
- 26:36Speaker 6: Oh, okay. I was going to say, that's not, dude,
- 26:38Speaker 6: the one I saw was so bad. That's so good.
- 26:43Speaker 2: But that's what I think is like watching something like that,
- 26:46Speaker 2: like being a horror geek and just loving the concept
- 26:49Speaker 2: of Michael Myers in that first movie. And then watching,
- 26:52Speaker 2: this is maybe the perfect example of watching a studio
- 26:56Speaker 2: or producers just run with it and do whatever the
- 26:59Speaker 2: hell they want. And like, so by two, we're already like,
- 27:03Speaker 2: It's still pretty solid. It's still following legitimately the same night,
- 27:06Speaker 2: the same story, the same people. Again, 3 is its
- 27:10Speaker 2: own weird thing, and now people love it.
- 27:12Speaker 7: At the time, they were like, what the fuck are
- 27:13Speaker 7: we watching?
- 27:14Speaker 1: They're like, where's Michael Myers?
- 27:15Speaker 2: Where's Michael Myers, and why are we watching this dumb
- 27:17Speaker 2: movie about masks? And now people have changed their mind
- 27:20Speaker 2: on that.
- 27:21Speaker 4: Oh, man, yeah.
- 27:21Speaker 1: I'm all for a season of The Rage.
- 27:22Speaker 6: 3 is such a great movie. It's one of my favorites.
- 27:24Speaker 2: And that's the thing. Everybody's coming, well, it's just insanity.
- 27:28Speaker 2: When I went back and watched it, I was just like, wait, what?
- 27:31Speaker 2: Why are there like ancient robots and Stonehenge? And this
- 27:35Speaker 2: is insanity.
- 27:37Speaker 7: And I love it. So it's its own beautiful, messed
- 27:41Speaker 7: up little thing.
- 27:41Speaker 6: Well, and it was supposed to be, you know. And
- 27:43Speaker 6: it was going to be in different stories. I was
- 27:45Speaker 6: just going to say, yeah, every year was supposed to
- 27:47Speaker 6: be something new. And then Michael Myers proved to be.
- 27:50Speaker 2: And I think that's when that producer comes on board
- 27:53Speaker 2: is by four. Because four, everything from that point becomes
- 27:56Speaker 2: its baby.
- 27:56Speaker 4: Okay.
- 27:57Speaker 2: So like four is when we get which again i'm
- 28:00Speaker 2: like by the end of two because i kind of
- 28:03Speaker 2: forgot the end of half of these movies i'm like
- 28:05Speaker 2: he's pretty much dead because he's still a real guy
- 28:09Speaker 2: essentially he's not like by jason eventually he's like a
- 28:12Speaker 2: zombie or some sort of supernatural something or other we
- 28:15Speaker 2: don't know but like with michael myers he was still
- 28:17Speaker 2: a guy through most of the series except it didn't
- 28:20Speaker 2: make any sense anymore yeah because two they said i
- 28:22Speaker 2: mean he should be blind And they set him on fire.
- 28:28Speaker 2: And Loomis is also dead. So I'm like, the man
- 28:30Speaker 2: who's in every freaking movie is dead by the second one.
- 28:33Speaker 6: But remember, he only got a burn on the side
- 28:35Speaker 6: of his face.
- 28:36Speaker 2: Except we watch him explode. But he just got a
- 28:40Speaker 2: little burn.
- 28:41Speaker 6: It's fine.
- 28:42Speaker 1: He'll be okay.
- 28:45Speaker 2: So yeah, by that one I was like, well, okay,
- 28:47Speaker 2: obviously they painted themselves in this corner. But again, that's
- 28:49Speaker 2: what Carpenter wanted. He was done with it. He was
- 28:51Speaker 2: just like, I told that story. I wrote the second half.
- 28:54Speaker 2: Good enough. Somebody else made it. Let's do something else.
- 28:57Speaker 2: By fourth, somebody else gets a hold of the rights.
- 29:00Speaker 2: I'm sure he's still making money because, again, always an
- 29:03Speaker 2: awesome businessman. John Carpenter always made sure. That's what's weird
- 29:07Speaker 2: is even later, they didn't.
- 29:08Speaker 6: Even use his music.
- 29:09Speaker 2: Like, he distanced himself so much at some point, I
- 29:12Speaker 2: was like, the theme's not even in it.
- 29:14Speaker 6: Well, they started redoing the theme every time.
- 29:16Speaker 2: So they would add more of a.
- 29:18Speaker 6: Techno-y sort of a thing in one of them.
- 29:20Speaker 1: But he would.
- 29:20Speaker 2: Also be getting... Brought back in and getting paid every time.
- 29:24Speaker 2: He's super smart.
- 29:25Speaker 6: Dude, he was also consulted. Even Rob Zombie tried getting
- 29:30Speaker 6: his blessing and he was like, no. He hates those
- 29:34Speaker 6: fucking movies.
- 29:34Speaker 2: I mean, I kind of do too.
- 29:36Speaker 6: Oh, dude, no, no, no. But for different reasons, maybe.
- 29:39Speaker 6: Those are my least favorites. Halloweens dude I will watch
- 29:41Speaker 6: Resurrection before I watch Rob Zombie's Halloween which.
- 29:44Speaker 2: Is where I'm going that's next on my list oh man.
- 29:46Speaker 6: Resurrection is my least favorite wait wait wait you're talking
- 29:49Speaker 6: about Busta like when Busta when Busta Kung Fu fights
- 29:54Speaker 6: Michael Myers and wins that's how we all do it
- 29:57Speaker 6: you know yeah who wins in a kung fu fight
- 30:01Speaker 6: against i totally forgot about that scene oh man tyra
- 30:03Speaker 6: banks and him are making like lattes in a haunted
- 30:06Speaker 6: dilapidated house they are literally putting whipped cream.
- 30:09Speaker 10: Like i can smell the 90s what's that i can
- 30:12Speaker 10: smell the 90s oh no that's h2o oh yeah i
- 30:14Speaker 10: watched that and i'm just like shit this is like
- 30:17Speaker 10: knee deep at night i'm like it's got the cast
- 30:19Speaker 10: of dawson's creek We're rocking out to Creed on the radio.
- 30:22Speaker 6: It's like Josh Hartnett.
- 30:25Speaker 2: LL Cool J.
- 30:26Speaker 6: And it's the writer of Scream, which if you watch
- 30:29Speaker 6: H2O now, it is very Scream.
- 30:31Speaker 2: Well, I mean, that's, again, you see it changing hands
- 30:33Speaker 2: because then the Dimension logo came up.
- 30:35Speaker 7: I was like, well, no wonder it's so Scream. Because
- 30:38Speaker 7: they're watching Scream 2 in the movie.
- 30:40Speaker 2: The kids are watching Scream 2.
- 30:42Speaker 6: That's right. and that's just it kevin williamson was all
- 30:45Speaker 6: the rage at that point and he he did i
- 30:47Speaker 6: know you did.
- 30:47Speaker 2: And he's not a bad writer but i mean it
- 30:50Speaker 2: is so identifiable like it is it is he is
- 30:53Speaker 2: one of those kids that grew up with nothing but
- 30:55Speaker 2: references dude absolutely so that's all he did was load
- 30:58Speaker 2: everything from dawson's to his movies like everything was just
- 31:01Speaker 2: tons of references crammed in so like It works in
- 31:05Speaker 2: its own weird way, which is why watching it, I
- 31:07Speaker 2: was like, coming out of six, I'm like, at least
- 31:11Speaker 2: H2O is a movie. I'll watch that again somewhere down
- 31:14Speaker 2: the line.
- 31:14Speaker 6: Well, now six, I have not seen the director's cut.
- 31:17Speaker 2: I specifically got the other one because I'm like, I
- 31:20Speaker 2: want to see what they put out first.
- 31:22Speaker 7: Because that was the one I was like, I don't
- 31:23Speaker 7: think I.
- 31:24Speaker 6: Oh, man, I saw that one in the theater. That
- 31:26Speaker 6: was Paul Rudd.
- 31:26Speaker 2: The answer to your question is who can kick Michael
- 31:28Speaker 2: Myers' ass is Paul Rudd. Nobody is more badass than...
- 31:33Speaker 2: I mean this legitimately. I love the man. But it's
- 31:36Speaker 2: so funny watching teenage Paul Rudd going toe-to-toe with Michael
- 31:41Speaker 2: Myers and kind of, again, bests him at.
- 31:44Speaker 7: One point by the end there. So I'm just like.
- 31:46Speaker 2: Kick his ass, Paul Rudd. Without the Ant-Man suit. Fuck yeah.
- 31:50Speaker 6: I remember going to see that specifically because, first of all,
- 31:53Speaker 6: I'm a lifelong Myers fan. Went to school on Halloween.
- 31:57Speaker 2: As much as I wanted to. He's my go-to. As
- 31:59Speaker 2: much as everybody else wants to love Jim. Well, I
- 32:00Speaker 2: love Freddy, too. But Freddy was, again, in his origin,
- 32:04Speaker 2: a different thing than what he became.
- 32:06Speaker 6: Absolutely.
- 32:07Speaker 7: But Michael Myers is.
- 32:08Speaker 2: So good and was before so many of the other knockoffs.
- 32:12Speaker 6: And with... What was the... Oh, well, now I just
- 32:16Speaker 6: lost my train of thought.
- 32:18Speaker 2: Going to see Six. Oh, yeah.
- 32:20Speaker 6: Halloween Six had the Halloween 666 ads. Oh, yeah.
- 32:22Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
- 32:24Speaker 6: And they tied it in.
- 32:25Speaker 2: Roped in by the devil. Yeah. Well, they tied in
- 32:28Speaker 2: the whole devil background with like a cult. That's the
- 32:32Speaker 2: only thing that comes out of this is that weird
- 32:34Speaker 2: story arc. Because I watched it again. I was like
- 32:38Speaker 2: trying to go back. So I watched Six and I'm
- 32:39Speaker 2: just like... nothing really happens in this one like they
- 32:42Speaker 2: just drag everything out again another two hours and like
- 32:46Speaker 2: the only addition to anything is the weird cult sort
- 32:50Speaker 2: of like and again that's the part where it's like
- 32:52Speaker 2: okay now we're getting to the point he's not just
- 32:54Speaker 2: a guy anymore like now like we've put all the
- 32:57Speaker 2: evil in the world into this being and like he's
- 32:59Speaker 2: born as of the i don't know whatever i mean
- 33:02Speaker 2: ruins are thrown out and all kinds of crazy.
- 33:04Speaker 6: At this point though he had been back five times
- 33:07Speaker 6: I mean, so he, he better not be a human.
- 33:10Speaker 2: But it doesn't like, they never address it like that.
- 33:13Speaker 2: Like if not, it's always just like, and he's, but
- 33:15Speaker 2: that's what I think is so insulting as this producer
- 33:18Speaker 2: takes over because it's like, You killed him in the
- 33:20Speaker 2: last one.
- 33:22Speaker 7: You were the one that did it.
- 33:24Speaker 2: And you come back the next time. And he just
- 33:26Speaker 2: walks in again. And you're like, no, no, no, no, no.
- 33:29Speaker 2: You're the one that let the writer end it this way.
- 33:32Speaker 2: You produced it. You put it out that way. And
- 33:34Speaker 2: you're not going to address the fact that you killed
- 33:36Speaker 2: him off. Or this person should be dead. Or they
- 33:39Speaker 2: just kept retconning whatever the hell they wanted. Because then
- 33:43Speaker 2: they get to, even by... Again, I keep going through
- 33:46Speaker 2: every time watching one going, okay, now wait, where is this?
- 33:49Speaker 2: Each one would like, I'm accepting this exists, but not
- 33:52Speaker 2: this one, but this one does, but not that one.
- 33:55Speaker 2: So by two, okay, one and two go together. Three
- 33:58Speaker 2: is in its own universe. Four comes back in, and
- 34:01Speaker 2: I guess it's still on that same path. Five is
- 34:04Speaker 2: going down the insane road that leads to six. But
- 34:07Speaker 2: even by the time we get to H2O, it already
- 34:10Speaker 2: is throwing out four and five, even though it's the
- 34:12Speaker 2: same producer making it.
- 34:13Speaker 6: But we threw out four, five, and six.
- 34:15Speaker 2: Because they don't acknowledge that she ever had a daughter,
- 34:17Speaker 2: which is the entire run of four and five. So
- 34:20Speaker 2: I'm like, so now all she did was change her
- 34:23Speaker 2: name and move. But two still exists because she talks about.
- 34:28Speaker 2: They referenced, like, they kept bits and pieces because they
- 34:31Speaker 2: still kept the car wreck story, which was part of four, right?
- 34:34Speaker 7: That's what happened to mom.
- 34:35Speaker 2: But then, like, so they kept a piece of it,
- 34:38Speaker 2: but they got rid of the main purpose, which was
- 34:40Speaker 2: having a daughter and following the bloodline or whatever.
- 34:43Speaker 6: Because I know one and two technically in the mythology
- 34:47Speaker 6: happen on the exact same night.
- 34:48Speaker 2: Yeah, it picks up the second that the first one.
- 34:51Speaker 2: There's an overlap of him falling out the window.
- 34:53Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 34:54Speaker 6: But then, yeah, man. Even with the newest Halloween, they
- 34:58Speaker 6: threw out everything else. They went back to one.
- 35:01Speaker 2: So then H2O didn't happen.
- 35:04Speaker 7: We already had Jamie back once.
- 35:06Speaker 2: I loved the newest Halloween.
- 35:08Speaker 6: The newest one, dude, I have watched it three times.
- 35:10Speaker 2: I had a lot of issues with it, but I
- 35:12Speaker 2: still think it's better than a lot of horror movies.
- 35:15Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm like, it's a fun Halloween movie
- 35:18Speaker 2: if that's all you want. Story issues, I'm just like...
- 35:22Speaker 2: I don't know, whatever.
- 35:23Speaker 7: But like, again, I think I pulled your game.
- 35:25Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm just going to stop overthinking it and
- 35:27Speaker 2: try to enjoy it for what it is. And then
- 35:29Speaker 2: when we sat down, I still complained about it a lot,
- 35:31Speaker 2: but I'm like, but I don't out and out hate it.
- 35:33Speaker 2: I think it's still really well made. I think there's
- 35:36Speaker 2: some really great scenes in there, but do I love
- 35:38Speaker 2: it overall? But you know, it's, it's better than most
- 35:43Speaker 2: of the others. Like, I don't know that that's saying much, but. Yeah.
- 35:47Speaker 1: My issues with it were greatly overshadowed with the things
- 35:50Speaker 1: I love. So that's one of my favorites.
- 35:53Speaker 2: Well, it's another one of those you're watching because I
- 35:56Speaker 2: said this on that episode. I'm like, you're watching somebody
- 35:59Speaker 2: who grew up loving it. You're watching those kids that
- 36:02Speaker 2: grew up watching Halloween on VHS.
- 36:04Speaker 7: Or going to rent it at the video store.
- 36:06Speaker 2: Get to make their own fan film, essentially. So it's
- 36:09Speaker 2: the same thing they're doing with, you know, the directors
- 36:11Speaker 2: were tapping out to make Star Wars.
- 36:13Speaker 7: It's like, you get to make your.
- 36:14Speaker 2: Own multi-million dollar fan fiction version, whatever the hell you want.
- 36:19Speaker 2: Go to town. So like, that's what we see them
- 36:21Speaker 2: doing in that new Halloween. It's just like, now if I.
- 36:24Speaker 6: Was making a Halloween, this is a six-year-old version of him,
- 36:26Speaker 6: going like, I'd have him come out of the closet.
- 36:29Speaker 2: You know, so like, you're watching somebody else do a
- 36:31Speaker 2: version of what they saw Carpenter do when they were
- 36:33Speaker 2: a little kid. And that's... okay i guess but then
- 36:37Speaker 2: like it's hard to put them together so that's what
- 36:39Speaker 2: i think is weird and i think that was my
- 36:41Speaker 2: big watching these ones over the last few days i
- 36:45Speaker 2: also had an issue with when they get to the
- 36:46Speaker 2: new one because we canceled out everything i'm like you're
- 36:50Speaker 2: also canceling out the the like legend of michael myers
- 36:54Speaker 2: like we've built 40 years of this character even if
- 36:57Speaker 2: it's not on screen even if it's not within the
- 36:59Speaker 2: same timeline of your films We, the audience, have 40
- 37:03Speaker 2: years of this guy in a mask slaughtering people. He
- 37:06Speaker 2: was the biggest.
- 37:08Speaker 7: Badass on the planet.
- 37:09Speaker 2: Now he's killed three people. This makes it pretty low
- 37:14Speaker 2: stakes again.
- 37:15Speaker 6: You reset to the point of... They do address that.
- 37:19Speaker 6: And I feel like if you were to go back
- 37:20Speaker 6: and watch Halloween 1, the original, and then the newest...
- 37:25Speaker 6: it actually fits pretty well because you can do that
- 37:28Speaker 6: right now.
- 37:28Speaker 2: Well, but I was like, to me, I like, it's
- 37:31Speaker 2: hard for, again, it's only in the real world version.
- 37:34Speaker 2: As an audience member, I'm like, I know this character
- 37:37Speaker 2: now to be like this huge mass murderer that may
- 37:42Speaker 2: not even be a human being. Now he's just a
- 37:44Speaker 2: guy who's been sitting in a hospital for most of
- 37:47Speaker 2: his life. He killed three people a long time ago.
- 37:50Speaker 2: Like it just takes it down to like, Oh, this
- 37:52Speaker 2: is kind of sad, actually. Like, he's not cool anymore.
- 37:55Speaker 2: It's just a sad story of this mentally insane person.
- 37:58Speaker 6: I took it totally different. Yeah, like, I took it as, like,
- 38:01Speaker 6: this guy was, like, literally didn't say a word. Everyone
- 38:04Speaker 6: out in the mental institution was affected by him. Everyone
- 38:07Speaker 6: stayed away from him. He was literally chained up standing
- 38:10Speaker 6: by himself. And, like, as soon as the mask was
- 38:12Speaker 6: brought out, he didn't even see it. He just knew it,
- 38:15Speaker 6: you know. To me, they still kept the myth. They
- 38:18Speaker 6: still kept him the boogeyman-ish. Because you didn't get any explanation.
- 38:23Speaker 6: It wasn't Rob Zombie going, well, he had a rough childhood.
- 38:27Speaker 6: That's a whole other... You know what I'm saying? They
- 38:30Speaker 6: still kept him a mystery.
- 38:33Speaker 2: It's still putting too much in it, I think. That's
- 38:35Speaker 2: why I love that first one. And why I think
- 38:38Speaker 2: it exists on its own little universe. In its own thing.
- 38:42Speaker 2: Because it is.
- 38:43Speaker 7: You don't know.
- 38:45Speaker 2: Almost anything other than the killing his sister at the beginning.
- 38:48Speaker 2: You know nothing about him. You don't know anything about
- 38:50Speaker 2: the Myers family and the whole strobe bullshit that gets
- 38:54Speaker 2: roped into all these other ones. I'm like, that first
- 38:56Speaker 2: one is just, he is the boogeyman. He is just
- 38:59Speaker 2: the personification of evil that Loomis is talking about. And like,
- 39:03Speaker 2: that's all we get out of it. And that's why
- 39:05Speaker 2: it's so freaking scary. And like why that character is
- 39:08Speaker 2: so creepy. And like, it leaves it at that where
- 39:11Speaker 2: the more and more we dig into it, And again,
- 39:13Speaker 2: the more and more we humanize him, I'm like, that
- 39:16Speaker 2: just kills the boogeyman thing.
- 39:17Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I don't like the humanizing thing, but I mean, again... Especially, yeah,
- 39:21Speaker 6: the Rob Zombie humanizing.
- 39:22Speaker 2: Well, making him giant.
- 39:23Speaker 6: Making him, yeah.
- 39:24Speaker 2: Oh, dude.
- 39:25Speaker 6: Like, you don't go to prison at 13 when you're
- 39:27Speaker 6: this tall, and then six, seven years later, you're... eight
- 39:30Speaker 6: foot three. Like.
- 39:31Speaker 1: Trying out for a saber tooth in the new X-Men movie.
- 39:35Speaker 6: Yeah, again.
- 39:36Speaker 2: It's just.
- 39:37Speaker 1: I would love to see them, like, make from, well,
- 39:41Speaker 1: I guess from four on to be his memories.
- 39:44Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 39:44Speaker 1: While he was incarcerated.
- 39:45Speaker 2: Like delusions yeah just having these all these scenarios in
- 39:49Speaker 2: his head i mean like find like dr loomis's notes
- 39:51Speaker 2: of like yeah i like that like again as movie
- 39:55Speaker 2: geeks like you can make your own method because again
- 39:58Speaker 2: it's it's the star wars machete order like you can
- 40:01Speaker 2: you can make your own rules about it and as
- 40:03Speaker 2: long as it gets out there to everyone else it
- 40:05Speaker 2: becomes its own little tangent universe so yeah you can
- 40:09Speaker 2: pitch that and everybody needs to come on board Good evening.
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- 41:02Speaker 3: Don't be afraid. Unless you're beautiful and in your bedroom
- 41:10Speaker 3: and alone. National General Pictures presents Knife for the Ladies.
- 41:16Speaker 3: The day Jack the Ripper came west, terror strikes again
- 41:22Speaker 3: and again as a psycho killer stalks his female victims
- 41:26Speaker 3: in a western town where violence breeds violence and the
- 41:30Speaker 3: hand of death reaches from beyond the grave.
- 41:36Speaker 9: To all women, warning.
- 41:39Speaker 3: Come prepared to scream.
- 41:42Speaker 9: But don't. Don't come alone.
- 41:45Speaker 3: Knife for the ladies. Rated R. Number 17, not admitted
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- 44:57Speaker 2: It had to be you.
- 45:01Speaker 9: It had to be you.
- 45:05Speaker 2: I wandered around and finally found the somebody who.
- 45:10Speaker 6: It's part of your problem, you know.
- 45:13Speaker 4: You haven't seen enough movies. All of life's riddles are
- 45:16Speaker 4: answered in the movies. And now, on with the show.
- 45:48Speaker 1: I think we can all agree, though, you're not a
- 45:50Speaker 1: horror legend until you go to space.
- 45:53Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 45:54Speaker 1: So far we've got Leprechaun and Jason.
- 45:57Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 45:58Speaker 2: They make that joke, though. In six. Again, because it's
- 46:03Speaker 2: the guy on the radio and he's just like, one
- 46:05Speaker 2: of the random crazy people that calls has something. He's like,
- 46:08Speaker 2: Michael Myers in space.
- 46:10Speaker 7: What did they come up with? He makes that joke.
- 46:12Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, you almost get points for
- 46:14Speaker 2: making the reference because that must have been right after
- 46:16Speaker 2: Jason X. Or maybe they were just throwing the script
- 46:21Speaker 2: out there or something. They're already making the space references.
- 46:25Speaker 6: Well, Jason X, I did not see that movie for
- 46:28Speaker 6: a while.
- 46:28Speaker 7: I just watched it recently.
- 46:30Speaker 6: It was one of those things where it was on
- 46:33Speaker 6: DVD by the time I finally saw it. Somebody handed
- 46:37Speaker 6: it to me at a convention and it was like, dude,
- 46:40Speaker 6: he swore by it. And, and I think I might've
- 46:42Speaker 6: even told you the story in the past. I wouldn't
- 46:44Speaker 6: have believed him, but it was Brad Miska from bloody disgusting.
- 46:48Speaker 6: And so if you have a guy who is like swearing,
- 46:51Speaker 6: he's like, you need to see this movie. I was like, okay.
- 46:54Speaker 6: And I legitimately, I've seen that probably 20 times. It
- 46:58Speaker 6: is one of those movies that it, it's not trying
- 47:01Speaker 6: to be anything but Jason in space.
- 47:03Speaker 2: Again, like it's fantastic.
- 47:05Speaker 7: It just gets points for being.
- 47:07Speaker 2: Like, I don't care what anybody wants. Like we're going
- 47:10Speaker 2: to jump, way into the future for no reason because
- 47:13Speaker 2: we wanted to like.
- 47:15Speaker 6: Absolutely yeah it was just like what else we went
- 47:17Speaker 6: to hell last time let's just fucking go that that is.
- 47:20Speaker 2: One of those moments when a producer should have went
- 47:22Speaker 2: away wait wait wait what we are not paying you
- 47:25Speaker 2: to send jason to space and somehow it felt like
- 47:28Speaker 2: somehow it missed that meeting and they got it made
- 47:31Speaker 2: so like anytime that something that crazy gets made i'm
- 47:34Speaker 2: just like All right, bonus points to you. Good or bad,
- 47:37Speaker 2: you got it made.
- 47:38Speaker 6: It went to theaters.
- 47:39Speaker 2: It went to theaters. And that's one of my favorite kills.
- 47:42Speaker 6: When they bash that lady's face after she had frozen
- 47:44Speaker 6: in the liquid nitrogen. That is one of the greatest
- 47:47Speaker 6: kills of a Jason movie.
- 47:49Speaker 2: My favorite's in the little dream world. Where they send
- 47:53Speaker 2: the two girls. Smash the camper with another camper. It's
- 47:56Speaker 2: already making fun of the legend that is Jason.
- 48:01Speaker 7: So then we get the sleeping bag, which is one
- 48:03Speaker 7: of the best kills ever.
- 48:04Speaker 6: Oh, it's classy. It's just so fun.
- 48:07Speaker 1: And the fact that they had that super futuristic machine
- 48:12Speaker 1: to rebuild him, and it rebuilt him futuristically.
- 48:16Speaker 3: Yes!
- 48:17Speaker 11: Somebody found a way to write that in there.
- 48:21Speaker 6: Well, it is.
- 48:22Speaker 2: It's that Terminator thing almost of like, we built this
- 48:25Speaker 2: to make this thing so good. Too good because it's
- 48:29Speaker 2: going to kill everyone. So it really is like the
- 48:33Speaker 2: technology got smarter than the people who created it. And
- 48:36Speaker 2: then it created this perfect killing machine to go out
- 48:39Speaker 2: there and kill all the people who eventually came or
- 48:41Speaker 2: started the machine. You know, it's like it's a terrible
- 48:44Speaker 2: idea to be that smart.
- 48:46Speaker 1: But it's okay because he just wanted his machete back.
- 48:48Speaker 6: Well, sure.
- 48:50Speaker 2: Don't take his stuff, man.
- 48:51Speaker 6: Don't take his mask or his machete.
- 48:52Speaker 1: I love any movie that's in space that has fiery explosions.
- 48:56Speaker 6: Well, yeah.
- 48:57Speaker 2: It's... That's what happens in space.
- 48:58Speaker 6: Well, I think that's every space movie.
- 49:01Speaker 1: Even as a little kid, I'm like, that doesn't happen.
- 49:04Speaker 2: But this is awesome. How many times have you been
- 49:07Speaker 2: to space?
- 49:08Speaker 4: Right.
- 49:08Speaker 2: Maybe it does happen.
- 49:09Speaker 6: That's mine.
- 49:10Speaker 2: I'm like, as many times as I've been to space.
- 49:13Speaker 2: So I guess, I don't know.
- 49:14Speaker 6: Sure.
- 49:15Speaker 2: They're right. That's how TIE Fighters blow up. I don't know.
- 49:17Speaker 6: Whatever. Well, but it's the same as anytime. somebody's on
- 49:20Speaker 6: a computer.
- 49:21Speaker 2: Even now.
- 49:22Speaker 6: Even now. It's like, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing.
- 49:25Speaker 6: And then they hit enter, and it's like, calculating, calculating.
- 49:28Speaker 6: I'm like, you don't need to have a stupid sound
- 49:32Speaker 6: effect for Internet 2. you know, like surfing.
- 49:34Speaker 2: My favorite is like, it's always a visual because it's
- 49:37Speaker 2: a visual medium. So like we have to like, it
- 49:39Speaker 2: was the worst in the nineties, but even now they
- 49:42Speaker 2: still do it. Like nothing looks like a normal, like
- 49:44Speaker 2: database or screen you might actually be typing on. It's
- 49:48Speaker 2: always visually like zooming through the internet, looking at things
- 49:52Speaker 2: or like it's a visual representation of it. I'm like, no,
- 49:55Speaker 2: you just type in words and other words come up
- 49:58Speaker 2: and maybe you find a picture or something, but it
- 50:00Speaker 2: doesn't go zooming through a network.
- 50:03Speaker 1: There's one movie. I can't think of the name of
- 50:05Speaker 1: the movie right off the top of my head, but
- 50:06Speaker 1: it starred.
- 50:08Speaker 6: Sandra Bullock.
- 50:09Speaker 7: Oh, that's a classic.
- 50:11Speaker 6: And I love it.
- 50:13Speaker 1: One of the guys from Harold and Kumar. But his
- 50:17Speaker 1: daughter went missing. And like the entire movie is.
- 50:20Speaker 6: It's recent. Yeah.
- 50:21Speaker 1: Screens on the computer and like video chats and messaging.
- 50:25Speaker 1: And when I first heard the concept, I was like,
- 50:27Speaker 1: this is going to be great.
- 50:28Speaker 2: It sounds like a terrible idea, but.
- 50:30Speaker 6: It looks good.
- 50:31Speaker 1: The way they do it, it's great.
- 50:33Speaker 6: Okay.
- 50:33Speaker 1: It keeps you going on. I'm not going to give
- 50:36Speaker 1: any of the story away, but I'll figure out the name.
- 50:38Speaker 6: Wait, it's already out?
- 50:39Speaker 1: It's out, yeah.
- 50:40Speaker 2: Oh, okay, okay.
- 50:41Speaker 1: I think it might be on Hulu.
- 50:42Speaker 6: Oh, all right, sweet.
- 50:43Speaker 1: I can't think of the name of it.
- 50:45Speaker 6: But it's got, what, the John Cho or something?
- 50:48Speaker 2: Yeah. It's funny that that's still how a lot of
- 50:51Speaker 2: people reference him. But he's turned out to be this
- 50:53Speaker 2: amazing actor. I've seen him in so many movies now.
- 50:58Speaker 6: And I'm like, this guy is a legitimately good actor.
- 51:00Speaker 6: Even Cal Penn did time in the White House. You
- 51:03Speaker 6: know what I mean? Dude, again, I like when actors... Because,
- 51:08Speaker 6: first of all... whenever I hear somebody go, man, that's
- 51:11Speaker 6: an actor.
- 51:11Speaker 2: Shut up.
- 51:12Speaker 6: Don't talk about your opinion. I'm like, well, you realize
- 51:14Speaker 6: they're a person. I mean, you share your opinion and.
- 51:17Speaker 2: You're just a Facebook user, you know, like again, movies
- 51:21Speaker 2: called searching, searching.
- 51:22Speaker 6: Okay.
- 51:23Speaker 7: Oh, Hey, it did look really good.
- 51:25Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 51:26Speaker 6: But yeah, I don't know. Like I, that kind of
- 51:28Speaker 6: stuff bugs the crap out of me because, uh.
- 51:31Speaker 2: Which part of it that, that, uh, Actors shouldn't have
- 51:35Speaker 2: any opinions or that this guy gets to voice his
- 51:38Speaker 2: and nobody else does.
- 51:40Speaker 6: It frustrates me that people think musicians or actors or
- 51:43Speaker 6: whatever shouldn't have opinions because they all say, oh, well,
- 51:46Speaker 6: you just say lines on a paper or whatever. It's like, okay, sure.
- 51:51Speaker 6: But they're also affected by human existence. And, dude, a
- 51:55Speaker 6: lot of these actors go to different countries and different
- 51:58Speaker 6: places around the world. And they meet all kinds of people.
- 52:01Speaker 6: Or they do research for a role that changes their life.
- 52:04Speaker 2: And they go, whoa.
- 52:05Speaker 6: You know what, dude? I was a fucking idiot. I'm
- 52:07Speaker 6: going to dedicate my time to this. And then people
- 52:10Speaker 6: want to joke on them because one time they played
- 52:12Speaker 6: a slut in high school. Or in a high school movie.
- 52:15Speaker 6: And you're like, well, who gives a shit?
- 52:17Speaker 2: Like, that was a job. Once again, you go, they're
- 52:20Speaker 2: an actor. You turn that back around and be like,
- 52:23Speaker 2: that's not actually who they were. You're now confusing the
- 52:26Speaker 2: role with who the person is. And this person's probably
- 52:29Speaker 2: done way more stuff in their life than you've ever done.
- 52:32Speaker 2: That's what I mean. If you sit behind your computer
- 52:33Speaker 2: bitching about things.
- 52:35Speaker 1: Somebody posted a photo of Ashton Kutcher and reading the comments,
- 52:38Speaker 1: people were like, well, he had an opinion about something.
- 52:41Speaker 1: And people were just bashing him for it. I'm like,
- 52:44Speaker 1: but their bashings were just like, go back to that
- 52:47Speaker 1: 70s show and you're an actor, go make bad movies.
- 52:50Speaker 4: I'm like.
- 52:50Speaker 1: Have you seen the amount of good work this dude
- 52:52Speaker 1: has done for human sex traffickers?
- 52:55Speaker 6: Sex trafficking, dude. I was just going to say.
- 52:56Speaker 1: If it wasn't for him, he's one of the top
- 53:00Speaker 1: dudes that are finding out where these things are.
- 53:02Speaker 6: Dude, and he's 100% invested in it. He is an
- 53:06Speaker 6: active member of donating, looking, searching. And that's another thing. Yeah,
- 53:11Speaker 6: I've seen that too. People are like, man, fuck Ashton Kutcher.
- 53:13Speaker 6: And I'm like, yeah, okay. You don't have to punked.
- 53:17Speaker 6: To fucking appreciate human lives. Dude, I'm glad he grew
- 53:23Speaker 6: up and he started doing shit. That kind of stuff annoys.
- 53:27Speaker 7: The hell out of me.
- 53:29Speaker 2: The one thing you do in your life doesn't define
- 53:31Speaker 2: you for the entire rest of your life.
- 53:34Speaker 6: I think some people assume that because you're a public
- 53:37Speaker 6: figure that they have some sort of stake in what
- 53:40Speaker 6: you do.
- 53:40Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
- 53:42Speaker 2: I paid $ 9 for this movie.
- 53:43Speaker 1: You owe me.
- 53:44Speaker 6: Again, I've been a fan of yours since I was
- 53:47Speaker 6: a kid. How dare you say it? It's like, fuck off.
- 53:49Speaker 2: That's our culture now. It's like everyone feels entitled. Everyone
- 53:53Speaker 2: has a voice and an opinion and a platform to
- 53:56Speaker 2: yell it from.
- 53:58Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know that most people have earned that.
- 54:01Speaker 2: But it doesn't stop anyone. And myself included.
- 54:05Speaker 7: I do it every week.
- 54:07Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't know that I've earned it,
- 54:08Speaker 2: but I've certainly tried to counterbalance it and try to
- 54:12Speaker 2: invest time into talking about these things from a different
- 54:16Speaker 2: perspective or look at both sides of it.
- 54:18Speaker 7: I at least attempt to have.
- 54:20Speaker 2: Some sort of opinion that's balanced or I wouldn't go
- 54:24Speaker 2: so far as to say educated. But balanced, I hope.
- 54:28Speaker 12: Yeah I don't feel like you shit on things you
- 54:30Speaker 12: know what I mean I mean even stuff that's bad
- 54:32Speaker 12: I will like delve into the things I either love
- 54:34Speaker 12: about it or the things that are amazing about the
- 54:36Speaker 12: fact that it got made there's so many upsides to
- 54:40Speaker 12: these things that I love can.
- 54:41Speaker 6: We maybe talk have you guys seen The Fanatic.
- 54:44Speaker 1: I haven't seen that yet but it looks like a
- 54:47Speaker 1: great movie and it's getting so much shit just because
- 54:50Speaker 1: of who directed.
- 54:50Speaker 6: It oh and the actor who made the choice to
- 54:54Speaker 6: star in it as he did yeah Have you heard
- 54:58Speaker 6: of this movie?
- 54:58Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember which one it is.
- 55:00Speaker 6: It's the Fred Durst written and directed film starring... See,
- 55:03Speaker 6: that's my reaction too. I just picture him behind the
- 55:07Speaker 6: camera with his baseball cap. Oh, no, no, no.
- 55:09Speaker 2: It gets ten times better. Again, I'm doing the same
- 55:11Speaker 2: thing everybody else does.
- 55:13Speaker 6: John Travolta is the star and he plays an autistic
- 55:17Speaker 6: man who weaponizes his autism to stalk his favorite horror
- 55:23Speaker 6: celebrity and.
- 55:27Speaker 6: The character's name is Moose, okay? And the horror celebrity
- 55:31Speaker 6: is played by Devin Sawa. And so, dude, it is
- 55:36Speaker 6: knuckle-bitingly cringeworthy. I watched it two times in a span
- 55:40Speaker 6: of 24 hours when I rented it because one of
- 55:43Speaker 6: my buddies came over, and this was like three or
- 55:45Speaker 6: four hours after Jess and I had watched it.
- 55:48Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 55:49Speaker 1: I was like, okay, we have to watch this again.
- 55:51Speaker 6: You need to see this. And by the time the
- 55:54Speaker 6: movie was over, he was even like, dude, I'm going
- 55:56Speaker 6: to buy this movie. Because this movie is baffling. The
- 56:04Speaker 6: way that John Travolta decides to play an autistic character,
- 56:09Speaker 6: I will just say, is something to behold.
- 56:13Speaker 2: I mean, that is one of those that like... They're
- 56:16Speaker 2: these people, you know, all of these people out there
- 56:19Speaker 2: and like that's part of it is like picking and
- 56:21Speaker 2: choosing who makes this movie and then you pick and
- 56:24Speaker 2: choose who you watch. But like some of these people like.
- 56:28Speaker 2: John Travolta has made some odd decisions. You know, he
- 56:31Speaker 2: was supposed to be. Across the board. But sometimes there's times,
- 56:34Speaker 2: you know, like, no, no, wait. He's amazing in this. Like, yes,
- 56:39Speaker 2: he's made some questionable calls over here in this. But, like,
- 56:42Speaker 2: he's still.
- 56:42Speaker 7: Wait, which one?
- 56:44Speaker 2: Battlefield. Yeah. Well, I mean, like, what was the... From
- 56:47Speaker 2: Paris to Love or whatever. I'm like, I'm just watching
- 56:50Speaker 2: the trailer going, what are these choices you're making right now?
- 56:53Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't... I don't understand what you're doing
- 56:56Speaker 2: right now. But then, like... These last couple of things
- 56:59Speaker 2: he's done. I'm just like, you're really putting some effort in.
- 57:03Speaker 2: Hit or miss. He is swinging for the fences these days.
- 57:06Speaker 6: Oh, yeah. When you see this character, the haircut alone.
- 57:12Speaker 2: This is what I've seen.
- 57:13Speaker 1: I'm like, this makes me uneasy.
- 57:15Speaker 6: Oh, it's horrifyingly uneasy. Dude, I was uncomfortable through 90%
- 57:20Speaker 6: of the movie. I love it when a movie can
- 57:23Speaker 6: make you feel that way. Dude, listen. There's even a part.
- 57:26Speaker 6: There's a part that I will cherish forever. And I
- 57:31Speaker 6: want to record it. I don't know if you can
- 57:32Speaker 6: have audio on your Facebook photos. But I want this
- 57:36Speaker 6: video because Devin Sala is driving with his son. And
- 57:40Speaker 6: he goes, hey, man, you want to listen to some
- 57:42Speaker 6: Limp Bizkit? And he throws in a CD. And he goes, oh, man,
- 57:45Speaker 6: I used to listen to Limp Bizkit all the time. Ooh,
- 57:47Speaker 6: that's nice. Man, that's nice. And he's just rocking out.
- 57:52Speaker 6: I shit you not. All I could imagine was Fred
- 57:57Speaker 6: Durst writing the dialogue.
- 58:00Speaker 2: Then he says.
- 58:02Speaker 6: Oh shit, yeah, that's nice. Man, that's nice.
- 58:07Speaker 2: That's a questionable decision. Dude, it is incredible. But I mean,
- 58:10Speaker 2: it's not like... Again, I am at least enough of
- 58:13Speaker 2: a geek to know that's not his first movie. He's
- 58:16Speaker 2: been doing this for the last 15 years or so.
- 58:19Speaker 2: He's been a director for a long time.
- 58:21Speaker 6: He's made eHarmony commercials.
- 58:24Speaker 2: He's just not ever going to live down what he
- 58:26Speaker 2: used to be. He still tours as Limp Bizkit.
- 58:30Speaker 1: Have you seen photos from their latest?
- 58:32Speaker 6: Yes.
- 58:33Speaker 1: It's a massive crowd.
- 58:34Speaker 6: Huge.
- 58:35Speaker 2: It was overseas, though, too.
- 58:37Speaker 1: But they said merch sales? Or, like, almost non-existent. Oh, wow.
- 58:40Speaker 2: Nobody wants to walk around claiming that they're Olympic. No shit, man.
- 58:45Speaker 6: I do not doubt that. Like, nobody's buying the shirts,
- 58:48Speaker 6: but they're all there rocking out.
- 58:49Speaker 2: Everybody's at the concert.
- 58:50Speaker 6: Nobody wants to.
- 58:51Speaker 2: Oh, man.
- 58:51Speaker 6: Because, you know, Wes Borland. I still follow him on Instagram. Like,
- 58:54Speaker 6: that guy's always been, like, one of my.
- 58:56Speaker 7: I mean, he's always a.
- 58:57Speaker 2: wait, what are you doing? Every decision he made is like, wait,
- 59:01Speaker 2: why are you in this band? You should be in
- 59:03Speaker 2: six other bands over here. How did you end up
- 59:05Speaker 2: in this band?
- 59:05Speaker 6: I feel like he's the Thomas Lennon of bringing it
- 59:09Speaker 6: back to our world. earlier because i mean he makes
- 59:11Speaker 6: his money in this shit lead band and then he
- 59:15Speaker 6: goes off and does the albums like big dumb face
- 59:17Speaker 6: where it's like he does all the singing all the
- 59:19Speaker 6: music all the everything you know and it's like yeah
- 59:21Speaker 6: i feel like he just gets to live his life
- 59:23Speaker 6: and make all the money he needs off of that
- 59:25Speaker 6: limp biscuit.
- 59:26Speaker 1: Bullshit that's That's exactly why some of us artists take
- 59:29Speaker 1: on projects we're not maybe 100% for. Because that'll afford
- 59:34Speaker 1: us to do a couple things that we're 100% into.
- 59:37Speaker 6: Or it'll pay the rest of rent.
- 59:39Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 59:40Speaker 6: And that means I get to still draw.
- 59:41Speaker 2: It's still a job. Yeah.
- 59:44Speaker 6: It's pay the bills. I cannot count how many times.
- 59:47Speaker 6: It's like a pet portrait or like a kid or something.
- 59:49Speaker 6: You know, you're like doing something for somebody's like. sweatband
- 59:52Speaker 6: company and you're like what is this like yeah i've
- 59:56Speaker 6: never done anything for a sweatband company but what i'm saying.
- 59:58Speaker 2: Is but you're hoping that the ever dude yeah you'll
- 1:00:02Speaker 2: cash that check send it on.
- 1:00:03Speaker 6: Over yeah exactly i'm like if any sweatband company is
- 1:00:07Speaker 6: listening uh i'm open for business.
- 1:00:09Speaker 2: We're also looking for sponsorship so feel free to we'll
- 1:00:12Speaker 2: run those sweatband ads.
- 1:00:13Speaker 1: All day long movie meltdown brought to you by dick stars.
- 1:00:15Speaker 6: Sweatbands i am a sweater That's true.
- 1:00:20Speaker 7: I think it's hot all the time.
- 1:00:22Speaker 2: Sweatbands would be handy for me.
- 1:00:24Speaker 6: I am heat sensitive. I am one of those guys
- 1:00:26Speaker 6: that is in the AC when it's like February 10th
- 1:00:30Speaker 6: and it's already.
- 1:00:31Speaker 7: Mine's gotten worse.
- 1:00:32Speaker 2: I'm like, I've realized, I'm like, I think as I
- 1:00:34Speaker 2: got older, my thermostat just broke. So now it literally,
- 1:00:39Speaker 2: like right now, it's like well in, like we're heading
- 1:00:42Speaker 2: out of October and.
- 1:00:43Speaker 7: And I'm like, I was cranking the AC today.
- 1:00:45Speaker 1: I was setting up for an outdoor art show. And
- 1:00:48Speaker 1: I was like, it's going to be nice and warm.
- 1:00:50Speaker 1: I'll set my table out. I'll do a bunch of
- 1:00:52Speaker 1: little paintings. The paint will dry fast. I ended up
- 1:00:55Speaker 1: being pissed off and sweaty the entire day. I got
- 1:00:58Speaker 1: sun poisoning and ended up selling like maybe $ 15 worth
- 1:01:02Speaker 1: of art. I was like, this is the worst decision ever.
- 1:01:04Speaker 6: And then you don't even want to paint at that
- 1:01:05Speaker 6: point because you're just like greasy.
- 1:01:07Speaker 2: I got like two of them done and I'm like.
- 1:01:09Speaker 6: Fuck this. I'm just going to sit here and be angry.
- 1:01:12Speaker 6: I'm going to sit back here.
- 1:01:13Speaker 2: I'm going to fold my arms.
- 1:01:14Speaker 6: I remember seeing you at that one show.
- 1:01:16Speaker 2: That's the one I'm talking about.
- 1:01:18Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
- 1:01:18Speaker 11: Okay, no shit then. Dude, you were in direct sunlight.
- 1:01:23Speaker 11: I remember seeing him. I don't want to go outside, period.
- 1:01:26Speaker 11: Let alone to be forced to sit out there for
- 1:01:28Speaker 11: a long time.
- 1:01:28Speaker 2: But the best part was.
- 1:01:29Speaker 7: We're indoor kids, man.
- 1:01:30Speaker 2: What do you want?
- 1:01:31Speaker 1: You brought me food from Morel's, and it was the
- 1:01:32Speaker 1: spicy chicken. So I'm like sitting there with sun poisoning, sunburned,
- 1:01:37Speaker 1: like eating this delicious food that's spicy. And I'm like,
- 1:01:40Speaker 1: I do not care. This is the best part of
- 1:01:42Speaker 1: my day right now. It's making me hotter.
- 1:01:44Speaker 6: But then one of the worst things was, if I
- 1:01:46Speaker 6: remember correctly, didn't you stand up to say goodbye and
- 1:01:49Speaker 6: knock the food off?
- 1:01:50Speaker 2: I knocked the macaroni over.
- 1:01:52Speaker 6: That's what it was.
- 1:01:52Speaker 2: It was the macaroni.
- 1:01:53Speaker 1: And I was like, I ate my sandwich and I
- 1:01:56Speaker 1: was saving the macaroni for later.
- 1:01:57Speaker 6: I felt so bad. And I was just like.
- 1:02:00Speaker 2: Well, that's my day. Pretty much a representation of how
- 1:02:04Speaker 2: everything's gone.
- 1:02:05Speaker 1: Seriously, my first thought was like, how much gravel can
- 1:02:08Speaker 1: I eat?
- 1:02:10Speaker 6: Or how much can I get off the top that
- 1:02:12Speaker 6: hasn't touched the ground?
- 1:02:13Speaker 2: It's good to have a little in your gizzard, I believe.
- 1:02:15Speaker 2: So you got to, yeah, it's handy. Go ahead and
- 1:02:17Speaker 2: have some.
- 1:02:18Speaker 1: I remember doing another art show and my entire purpose
- 1:02:22Speaker 1: was there was a booth right across from me that
- 1:02:24Speaker 1: sold funnel cakes. And I was like, all right, cool.
- 1:02:27Speaker 1: Once I make a booth fee and make a little
- 1:02:29Speaker 1: bit of money, I'm going to go get me a
- 1:02:30Speaker 1: funnel cake. So a couple hours went by. I did.
- 1:02:33Speaker 4: Walked over.
- 1:02:34Speaker 1: Got me a giant funnel cake. Walking back to the booth.
- 1:02:37Speaker 4: Trip.
- 1:02:37Speaker 1: Falls on the floor.
- 1:02:40Speaker 2: It's not funny, but it's... It's totally funny. I packed
- 1:02:42Speaker 2: my shit up and I left.
- 1:02:44Speaker 1: It was like halfway in the afternoon. I was like, nope.
- 1:02:48Speaker 2: It's done.
- 1:02:48Speaker 6: Yeah, you win today. You win.
- 1:02:51Speaker 2: I'll be back, funnel cake.
- 1:02:53Speaker 6: I'll be back.
- 1:02:57Speaker 2: As I said, God knows where we're going to end up.
- 1:03:00Speaker 2: Funnel cakes on the ground, eating gravel. This is where
- 1:03:02Speaker 2: we landed. That's art life.
- 1:03:04Speaker 6: I was doing a show at Full Moon. And a
- 1:03:09Speaker 6: kid walking in front of me, I thought it was
- 1:03:11Speaker 6: part of his costume. He just starts throwing up as
- 1:03:13Speaker 6: he's walking because he was dressed as a zombie. And
- 1:03:16Speaker 6: I was like, whoa, dude, look at that kid. and
- 1:03:18Speaker 6: then I'm like those special effects are great no the
- 1:03:21Speaker 6: smell was overwhelming dude I literally was dry heaving while
- 1:03:27Speaker 6: I was trying to do I'm like I'm like okay
- 1:03:29Speaker 6: you know what and I threw a cover over my
- 1:03:32Speaker 6: booth and I just put a thing we'll be back
- 1:03:34Speaker 6: when the puke is gone and I left dude it
- 1:03:37Speaker 6: was over an hour before they got it was so
- 1:03:40Speaker 6: packed and we even watched people slip and fall on
- 1:03:44Speaker 6: puke dude it was horrifying horrifying.
- 1:03:52Speaker 2: This is why i don't want to go out into
- 1:03:53Speaker 2: the world most of the time like just sit at
- 1:03:56Speaker 2: home and watch movies and play with my toys i
- 1:03:59Speaker 2: don't want to go out and where there's people and
- 1:04:00Speaker 2: puke and heat.
- 1:04:02Speaker 6: Oh no it's why i only leave the house to
- 1:04:04Speaker 6: do podcasts this is the important thing like kroger's a
- 1:04:10Speaker 6: two minute drive up the road that's.
- 1:04:12Speaker 2: Most of my week now it's just i i yeah
- 1:04:14Speaker 2: i come home and work on the show and eat
- 1:04:17Speaker 2: some food and watch a movie.
- 1:04:18Speaker 7: Like that's, that's my.
- 1:04:20Speaker 2: Week right there.
- 1:04:21Speaker 6: That's all I need.
- 1:04:22Speaker 2: I realized I don't like as antisocial as I am,
- 1:04:26Speaker 2: but also I was saying the, I'm like, I don't
- 1:04:30Speaker 2: care being an old man. I don't want to go
- 1:04:32Speaker 2: out in those people. They were trying to these, these
- 1:04:35Speaker 2: parties that shall remain nameless. We're trying to be like,
- 1:04:37Speaker 2: come on. It was like somebody's birthday. Like we're going out.
- 1:04:39Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm, I don't want.
- 1:04:41Speaker 6: To go to a bar ever.
- 1:04:43Speaker 2: Ever I occasionally force myself if there's a band I
- 1:04:47Speaker 2: want to see that's about.
- 1:04:48Speaker 7: The only excuse or again an art show there are
- 1:04:51Speaker 7: a few that.
- 1:04:51Speaker 6: Take place there's a.
- 1:04:53Speaker 2: Few that take place in bars and I'll go there
- 1:04:56Speaker 2: but like normal bar club bullshit I'm like no thank
- 1:04:59Speaker 2: you and they're like come on you're going now we're
- 1:05:02Speaker 2: meeting up at 11 o'clock I'm like p.m.
- 1:05:05Speaker 7: I'm like I won't be asleep.
- 1:05:06Speaker 2: By then I'll tell you now I'll have started a
- 1:05:09Speaker 2: movie and fallen asleep on it I can tell you
- 1:05:11Speaker 2: how my night's gonna go and like without trying that's
- 1:05:14Speaker 2: exactly like it was like 10 30 you know and
- 1:05:17Speaker 2: like i'm old and boring and i don't really.
- 1:05:19Speaker 13: Care and it's perfect yeah i don't want to do
- 1:05:22Speaker 13: any of that nonsense like i i found the things
- 1:05:25Speaker 13: i like and it's not that like more power to
- 1:05:28Speaker 13: you if that's your thing go for it but i'm
- 1:05:30Speaker 13: like that's not what i want.
- 1:05:31Speaker 14: To do and i've just never been a big drinker
- 1:05:33Speaker 14: and like i mean i i literally i i sit
- 1:05:35Speaker 14: around i draw smoke and then i watch tv i
- 1:05:39Speaker 14: mean like i i'm the most boring person Like.
- 1:05:42Speaker 6: All my friends, anytime a friend goes, Hey man, we're
- 1:05:45Speaker 6: going out. It's like, cool dude, send me pictures, you know,
- 1:05:48Speaker 6: like I'll go to a wrestling event, but then that's, yeah.
- 1:05:52Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 1:05:52Speaker 1: If you see me out anywhere, look around, because I've
- 1:05:55Speaker 1: got a table set up with art selling somewhere.
- 1:05:58Speaker 2: That's my, like, I will go to places and see
- 1:06:01Speaker 2: people and do an event, but it's usually because I've
- 1:06:04Speaker 2: tied it into an episode. And, like, and even, like,
- 1:06:06Speaker 2: when there's, like, a guest, I'm like, oh, well, now,
- 1:06:08Speaker 2: you know, you've been on the show. You're cool. I'll
- 1:06:10Speaker 2: go see your band. Or, like, I'll go watch this movie,
- 1:06:12Speaker 2: because you, but, like, without a tie-in, I'm just like,
- 1:06:16Speaker 2: I don't know, what? Like, it's the only way I
- 1:06:18Speaker 2: process things anymore, because I'm just, I'm working three episodes out.
- 1:06:21Speaker 2: What's the next thing I have to do?
- 1:06:22Speaker 1: Like, That's like the way my brain works. Like the
- 1:06:25Speaker 1: second the kids go in bed, I'm like, all right, cool.
- 1:06:27Speaker 1: Time to make art. Like three or four o'clock in
- 1:06:29Speaker 1: the morning, still making art.
- 1:06:31Speaker 6: Dude, you and I, we'll message each other in the
- 1:06:34Speaker 6: middle of the night. Like, I mean, and I'm the
- 1:06:36Speaker 6: exact same way. Like Jess, she gets up first thing
- 1:06:39Speaker 6: in the morning for work, you know? And man, I mean, she,
- 1:06:42Speaker 6: she goes to bed and I'm just like, all right,
- 1:06:44Speaker 6: what am I getting into as far as movies for
- 1:06:46Speaker 6: the rest of the night while I paint? You know, like,
- 1:06:48Speaker 6: Or sometimes it'll just be YouTube videos or whatever the
- 1:06:51Speaker 6: hell is thrown on the back. But yeah, it's painting
- 1:06:53Speaker 6: and drawing all night long.
- 1:06:54Speaker 1: I had to take the streaming services out of my
- 1:06:57Speaker 1: art studio. I had the little Chromecast thing where you
- 1:06:59Speaker 1: could get Netflix and Hulu. But it would be like
- 1:07:02Speaker 1: a half hour, 45 minutes later, and I'm still scrolling
- 1:07:05Speaker 1: through and picking. I'm like, I've got a wall of VHS.
- 1:07:08Speaker 1: I mean, I can look at that at a glance
- 1:07:10Speaker 1: and pick something out and be happy with it.
- 1:07:11Speaker 2: Yep. That's as, as we referenced earlier, we almost have
- 1:07:15Speaker 2: too many options. Like there's too much stuff to scroll
- 1:07:19Speaker 2: through and be like, I don't know. I don't know that.
- 1:07:23Speaker 2: And anytime there's something specific I have in mind, it's
- 1:07:25Speaker 2: never there. That's what pisses me off is like when
- 1:07:28Speaker 2: I had more than one, now I can't even afford
- 1:07:30Speaker 2: to keep more than one streaming service. But when I
- 1:07:31Speaker 2: had an extra one that I ended up with out
- 1:07:34Speaker 2: of both, I'd be like, I have one movie I
- 1:07:36Speaker 2: have to watch for the show next week.
- 1:07:38Speaker 7: Neither has it, really?
- 1:07:39Speaker 2: I'm like, why am I paying for these things? The
- 1:07:41Speaker 2: one thing I want's never there.
- 1:07:43Speaker 1: I don't know how many emails I've created just to
- 1:07:45Speaker 1: get almost a year's worth of seven-day free trials.
- 1:07:49Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
- 1:07:52Speaker 1: Like, why pay? Here's a new email address.
- 1:07:55Speaker 2: Cool.
- 1:07:56Speaker 6: That's pretty genius.
- 1:07:57Speaker 7: You're letting them in on your loophole.
- 1:08:00Speaker 2: This is our columbia record and take scam all over
- 1:08:03Speaker 2: again how much do we all owe them now let's
- 1:08:07Speaker 2: be let's be honest because i and again more so
- 1:08:10Speaker 2: maybe for the movie went no i don't know i
- 1:08:11Speaker 2: got a lot of.
- 1:08:12Speaker 6: Cds and the blowfish cost me so much money as much.
- 1:08:17Speaker 1: As i hated that scam it turned me on to
- 1:08:20Speaker 1: so much cool shit on accident because i ordered uh
- 1:08:24Speaker 1: i don't even remember what it was some fucking 90s
- 1:08:26Speaker 1: crap But they accidentally sent me a metal blade sampler
- 1:08:30Speaker 1: and King Diamond the Graveyard.
- 1:08:32Speaker 4: Nice.
- 1:08:33Speaker 1: And I put them in, and I'm like, this is
- 1:08:34Speaker 1: the first time I heard guar. I was like, this
- 1:08:37Speaker 1: is the first time I heard Merciful Fate, King Diamond.
- 1:08:40Speaker 1: And I'm just like, okay, this is worth the penny
- 1:08:43Speaker 1: that I'm never even going to pay. This is worth
- 1:08:45Speaker 1: the hit on my credit when I'm 17.
- 1:08:48Speaker 2: What's weird, and again, this is the level of geek
- 1:08:50Speaker 2: that I was, and it was pre-internet, or certainly maybe
- 1:08:54Speaker 2: the early days of it, but like, No, it was
- 1:08:56Speaker 2: even before that because it was like the cassette tape
- 1:08:58Speaker 2: version of it so long ago. ago but I remember
- 1:09:01Speaker 2: like because I was just such a geek and I
- 1:09:03Speaker 2: liked like again like looking for the same thing that
- 1:09:06Speaker 2: led me to looking for weird movies and like And
- 1:09:08Speaker 2: there weren't internet formats to find these things. So like
- 1:09:12Speaker 2: that one was such a music portal that I would
- 1:09:14Speaker 2: just sit and look at the catalog.
- 1:09:16Speaker 9: Yeah.
- 1:09:16Speaker 2: And like I, to this day, there are bands that
- 1:09:19Speaker 2: I've probably never heard, but I can name three or
- 1:09:22Speaker 2: four tracks because it was the things they listed next
- 1:09:25Speaker 2: to that album title.
- 1:09:26Speaker 4: Right.
- 1:09:26Speaker 2: Because I was just a dumb kid sitting there going, oh, that, okay,
- 1:09:29Speaker 2: that sounds interesting. I couldn't even physically go listen to
- 1:09:32Speaker 2: it because there's no internet. Like I didn't get the
- 1:09:33Speaker 2: cassette in the mail yet. so like i just would
- 1:09:36Speaker 2: sit there and look at those damn books and be
- 1:09:38Speaker 2: like oh yeah okay need to check this band out
- 1:09:41Speaker 2: so like that was the level of geek when there
- 1:09:43Speaker 2: was no way to actually like follow through with it
- 1:09:45Speaker 2: without sending your penny off it's like.
- 1:09:47Speaker 1: Scamming them the first time you ever got like a
- 1:09:49Speaker 1: rockabilly magazine and you're like going through like all the
- 1:09:53Speaker 1: band shirts ever and you can get the band shirt
- 1:09:56Speaker 1: the belt the pins the wallet the toboggan hats everything.
- 1:10:00Speaker 2: That's again that's like kids today can't even fathom like
- 1:10:04Speaker 2: that being the movie geek and I started a whole
- 1:10:07Speaker 2: like an extra little portal on our website about this
- 1:10:11Speaker 2: because like I was a super movie geek that loved
- 1:10:15Speaker 2: to have movie geek t-shirts and when they were impossible
- 1:10:18Speaker 2: to get. Yeah. This is why, like, when I watch, like,
- 1:10:21Speaker 2: the Goldbergs now, I'm like, bullshit, that kid's got way
- 1:10:24Speaker 2: too many cool shirts, because there was no way to
- 1:10:26Speaker 2: get the, that's, I mean, I know it's a fictional world. Well,
- 1:10:28Speaker 2: even with Stranger Things, I've thought the same thing. It's
- 1:10:30Speaker 2: a memory, yeah, it's a memory version.
- 1:10:32Speaker 4: Right, right.
- 1:10:32Speaker 2: Because there's no cause yeah he's like every week got
- 1:10:35Speaker 2: a new thing I'm like they didn't have those shirts
- 1:10:37Speaker 2: then like you were lucky if it was like Star
- 1:10:39Speaker 2: Wars because they made shit for that cause they had
- 1:10:42Speaker 2: money behind it but you're not gonna have a princess
- 1:10:44Speaker 2: bride shirt the year it came out bullshit now you
- 1:10:48Speaker 2: can have 20 of them same with even.
- 1:10:50Speaker 1: Just like a regular shirt with a skull on it
- 1:10:52Speaker 1: like if If we wanted that or if I wanted that,
- 1:10:55Speaker 1: I had to get a white T-shirt and a Sharpie
- 1:10:56Speaker 1: and draw.
- 1:10:57Speaker 2: A skull on it.
- 1:10:57Speaker 6: Well, or sometimes at one point in my childhood, skateboard
- 1:11:01Speaker 6: shops started getting a lot of like Palparolta, Bones Brigade,
- 1:11:05Speaker 6: things like that, Vision. Like I had a pair of
- 1:11:07Speaker 6: Vision streetwear pants that were blue with black skulls all
- 1:11:11Speaker 6: over them. And I remember getting them because my mom– okay,
- 1:11:14Speaker 6: this is a little inside info. I used to take
- 1:11:17Speaker 6: dance lessons with a friend of mine. But we got
- 1:11:20Speaker 6: to do, we did that so that we were allowed
- 1:11:22Speaker 6: to go skateboarding. Because, you know, if we did something.
- 1:11:24Speaker 6: Good counterbalance there.
- 1:11:26Speaker 2: And excuses.
- 1:11:27Speaker 6: Dancers. No, no, no. It was fine. You know, we
- 1:11:30Speaker 6: were like 12, 13 years old. And so right next door, though,
- 1:11:34Speaker 6: was the skate shop. And so our parents would drop
- 1:11:36Speaker 6: us off at dance class. And we would do the class.
- 1:11:39Speaker 6: And then right next door, while we were waiting, we
- 1:11:41Speaker 6: would go over there. And I bought these pants with
- 1:11:44Speaker 6: my own money. And I stuffed them into my sweatshirt
- 1:11:48Speaker 6: or whatever. And I was like, I am not letting
- 1:11:50Speaker 6: my mom see this because there's skulls all over them.
- 1:11:53Speaker 6: And then I wore them. And my mom was like.
- 1:11:55Speaker 2: Where did you get those pants?
- 1:11:57Speaker 6: Because I think she picked me up from school. And
- 1:12:00Speaker 6: I had brought them and put them on. And it
- 1:12:03Speaker 6: was just one of those things where she was not thrilled. But, man, skulls,
- 1:12:07Speaker 6: that was it. It was skate clothing. It was the
- 1:12:10Speaker 6: only place I could find it. Like rat bones.
- 1:12:12Speaker 4: Sorry.
- 1:12:13Speaker 2: Well, no, I was like, I was just thinking like, again,
- 1:12:15Speaker 2: one of my favorite shirts and it was one of
- 1:12:18Speaker 2: the handful of ones like this that I would have
- 1:12:20Speaker 2: even had. Cause again, they were all just normal dorky
- 1:12:22Speaker 2: crap that, you know, people just gave you clothes when
- 1:12:25Speaker 2: you were a kid and you just had to wear
- 1:12:26Speaker 2: them cause it's.
- 1:12:26Speaker 7: What you had.
- 1:12:27Speaker 1: They hand me down.
- 1:12:28Speaker 2: But at some point I got one and this tells
- 1:12:30Speaker 2: you how far back it was. Cause first of all,
- 1:12:31Speaker 2: it was a muscle shirt, which again is just sleeveless
- 1:12:35Speaker 2: if you weren't in the eighties. But for some reason,
- 1:12:37Speaker 2: that's what we call them. None of these kids had
- 1:12:38Speaker 2: muscles by the way that we're wearing them. But it
- 1:12:40Speaker 2: was like a gray sleeveless shirt and then right in
- 1:12:44Speaker 2: the center it had a skull. But to this day
- 1:12:47Speaker 2: I find this cool.
- 1:12:49Speaker 7: It was glow in the dark.
- 1:12:50Speaker 1: Nice.
- 1:12:51Speaker 2: I'd never seen, like, I mean, again, this very moment,
- 1:12:54Speaker 2: I'm like, shit, if you bought me a big version
- 1:12:56Speaker 2: of that right now, I would put it on. I
- 1:12:58Speaker 2: think the tie-in was like rock and roll.
- 1:13:00Speaker 7: Or, you know, they would do the generic, like, rock
- 1:13:02Speaker 7: and roll forever. And I was like, fuck, I don't care.
- 1:13:05Speaker 7: That skull glows in the dark.
- 1:13:06Speaker 2: This is the best shirt I've ever seen. So, yeah,
- 1:13:09Speaker 2: I wore that one forever because it had... Thinking how
- 1:13:11Speaker 2: much I got into skulls later, I'm like, I wonder
- 1:13:14Speaker 2: sometimes where all that started. And sometimes I do think
- 1:13:18Speaker 2: back of, like, weird little skull toys and skeletons and
- 1:13:20Speaker 2: stuff that I had. Then I'm like, then, like, 20
- 1:13:24Speaker 2: years later, I'm doing nothing but painting skulls.
- 1:13:26Speaker 6: Every day of my life.
- 1:13:27Speaker 5: So, yeah.
- 1:13:29Speaker 2: It's weird how these things domino and lead to the
- 1:13:31Speaker 2: rest of your life.
- 1:13:32Speaker 6: Like, my family was very religious growing up. And so, like,
- 1:13:36Speaker 6: I was in church a lot. Well, I got away with,
- 1:13:39Speaker 6: and this was my, I thought it was genius. Okay.
- 1:13:42Speaker 6: Because it says it was supposed to be like Smokey
- 1:13:44Speaker 6: the Bear, but it had a big picture of the devil,
- 1:13:47Speaker 6: just a big face of the devil. And it said,
- 1:13:49Speaker 6: only you can prevent forever fires. I didn't give two shits.
- 1:13:54Speaker 6: I was like, I really want that shirt. You know,
- 1:13:57Speaker 6: I got the shirt and I was like, my mom
- 1:13:59Speaker 6: thought I was wearing this like awesome procreate.
- 1:14:01Speaker 2: And I'm like, I have the devil on my shirt.
- 1:14:06Speaker 6: It is bold-faced, big, red devil with horns. And I
- 1:14:10Speaker 6: was like 12, 10. I don't know.
- 1:14:13Speaker 2: See, like now when I see those shirts, I find
- 1:14:15Speaker 2: them so annoying. But that's because now it's in a
- 1:14:18Speaker 2: world where you can get whatever the hell you want.
- 1:14:20Speaker 2: And someone chose to wear this. But for you, it's like...
- 1:14:22Speaker 2: This is the first time I've seen a shirt with
- 1:14:25Speaker 2: a devil on it.
- 1:14:25Speaker 6: Oh, dude, as a kid, I would have never been
- 1:14:29Speaker 6: able to get away with wearing the devil on anything.
- 1:14:33Speaker 2: Unless it was Halloween. no no no not even that.
- 1:14:37Speaker 6: Halloween's evil for a lot of people anyway well like
- 1:14:40Speaker 6: it wasn't necessarily evil but my mom would always you
- 1:14:42Speaker 6: know oh the church is having a nice Halloween party
- 1:14:45Speaker 6: funk and we're like no no no no no we
- 1:14:47Speaker 6: want to go trick-or-treating no we're gonna go to the
- 1:14:49Speaker 6: church and bop for apples and it's like fuck you
- 1:14:53Speaker 6: suck mom but no I mean we definitely did trick-or-treating
- 1:14:56Speaker 6: as we grew older yeah but yeah early early on
- 1:14:59Speaker 6: it was very religious you know and so yeah that
- 1:15:01Speaker 6: devil was everything.
- 1:15:02Speaker 2: For me but but that's what i think of is
- 1:15:05Speaker 2: like i remember like so much of my i mean
- 1:15:11Speaker 2: pre-teenage maybe definitely the entirety of my teenage years was
- 1:15:15Speaker 2: like all catalog based yeah so like because there was
- 1:15:19Speaker 2: nothing in stores like there were a handful of things
- 1:15:22Speaker 2: i ever got in a store that was cool and
- 1:15:24Speaker 2: then i discovered like mail order before the internet so
- 1:15:27Speaker 2: i was just like holy shit, look at this. Like,
- 1:15:30Speaker 2: and then we're like, I was getting like tons of
- 1:15:32Speaker 2: like catalogs that like a company in England was making
- 1:15:36Speaker 2: these awesome shirts that like, we certainly weren't getting at
- 1:15:38Speaker 2: the mall here, but like, yeah, only a handful could
- 1:15:42Speaker 2: I ever afford to order. But like, there were a
- 1:15:43Speaker 2: few that I'm just like, okay, I obviously need this.
- 1:15:46Speaker 2: And like, So it became like by the time I was,
- 1:15:48Speaker 2: you know, in my late teens, I really had like
- 1:15:51Speaker 2: put together this huge.
- 1:15:52Speaker 7: Assemblage of Movie Geek shirts.
- 1:15:55Speaker 2: But it took the entirety of my teenage years to
- 1:15:58Speaker 2: do it. And every bit of little bit of money
- 1:16:00Speaker 2: I had to pay for shipping from another country probably. Definitely,
- 1:16:04Speaker 2: at least from L.A., to get something good. So it's
- 1:16:08Speaker 2: funny now that you can just get anything. And it's
- 1:16:10Speaker 2: so easy. And not only is every version of a
- 1:16:14Speaker 2: thing that you're into available, but six crossovers of nine
- 1:16:18Speaker 2: other things are available now.
- 1:16:20Speaker 1: And it's there on your doorstep the next day.
- 1:16:22Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely.
- 1:16:22Speaker 1: It's not like three months waiting.
- 1:16:25Speaker 2: I was thinking the other day. Six to eight weeks.
- 1:16:28Speaker 6: Do you remember no COD? Oh, yeah. Because CODs existed.
- 1:16:34Speaker 6: They had to specify.
- 1:16:35Speaker 7: Yeah, just go ahead and send it to me.
- 1:16:37Speaker 6: I'll pay you. I'll pay. Dude, it's so crazy to me.
- 1:16:41Speaker 7: What a weird system, too. The postman just carrying around
- 1:16:44Speaker 7: cash for somebody.
- 1:16:45Speaker 6: I know. What an inefficient system. Do you remember Ear Ecstasy? Oh, yeah.
- 1:16:52Speaker 2: I actually met Rob Zombie there.
- 1:16:53Speaker 6: Oh, what?
- 1:16:55Speaker 2: What was it?
- 1:16:55Speaker 6: The Bardstown Road location?
- 1:16:57Speaker 2: Bardstown Road.
- 1:16:58Speaker 1: He was having an in-store. I think it was when...
- 1:17:01Speaker 1: maybe hellbilly deluxe first came out and he was doing
- 1:17:03Speaker 1: like an in-store little acoustic show and uh i was
- 1:17:06Speaker 1: hanging out out front it was when i first moved
- 1:17:07Speaker 1: to louisville right out of high school and uh he
- 1:17:10Speaker 1: was just hanging out i was like hey how's it
- 1:17:12Speaker 1: going man because he had a fucking misfit shirt on
- 1:17:14Speaker 1: and i was like nice shirt we started talking a
- 1:17:17Speaker 1: couple minutes i had never seen a picture of him
- 1:17:20Speaker 1: and he's like.
- 1:17:21Speaker 2: Yeah i'm talking to some dude.
- 1:17:24Speaker 1: Wearing a misfit shirt and he's like yeah i'm doing
- 1:17:26Speaker 1: in-store uh uh signing and a little acoustic show in
- 1:17:29Speaker 1: a minute he's You should check it out.
- 1:17:31Speaker 4: I was like, oh, cool.
- 1:17:31Speaker 5: I did.
- 1:17:32Speaker 1: Went inside, checked it out. I was like, oh, fuck.
- 1:17:35Speaker 2: That was Rob Zombie.
- 1:17:37Speaker 1: Damn.
- 1:17:38Speaker 6: Wish I would have had a disposable camera for a
- 1:17:40Speaker 6: blurry selfie.
- 1:17:42Speaker 2: My Polaroid I brought with me. Hold on.
- 1:17:46Speaker 6: Your ecstasy used to have, you would go in and
- 1:17:49Speaker 6: order music and albums and stuff. And I remember I
- 1:17:53Speaker 6: was really into Garbage, the band Garbage. They would always
- 1:17:56Speaker 6: release a foreign single. With one or two unreleased songs.
- 1:18:01Speaker 6: I gave him so much money for that game.
- 1:18:03Speaker 2: That used to kill me, man.
- 1:18:05Speaker 6: Because I got a job the day I turned 16.
- 1:18:08Speaker 6: So I was working at Burger King. that day you
- 1:18:10Speaker 6: know what i mean and so all my money would
- 1:18:13Speaker 6: go towards getting albums and everything i want that's why.
- 1:18:16Speaker 2: I don't have any money now i've blown it all
- 1:18:18Speaker 2: on again i have import cds and i have vhs
- 1:18:22Speaker 2: tapes and still to this day blu-rays and i'm buying
- 1:18:25Speaker 2: lego sets of shit like no no normal human being
- 1:18:28Speaker 2: should have this much crap but i am still doing it.
- 1:18:31Speaker 6: Yep oh dude i still have my stack because i
- 1:18:34Speaker 6: refuse to get rid of those garbage imports because i'm
- 1:18:36Speaker 6: like no I spent $ 20 on just those two songs
- 1:18:40Speaker 6: and they both sucked.
- 1:18:41Speaker 2: I still, like, I still want, like, I have all
- 1:18:44Speaker 2: of my CDs because I'm like, I still don't trust
- 1:18:47Speaker 2: the streaming world. I'm just like, I always. want to
- 1:18:50Speaker 2: know that i have a physical version and i know
- 1:18:53Speaker 2: that super cool geeks like vinyl i still don't i
- 1:18:55Speaker 2: i was not thrilled with vinyl as a kid so
- 1:18:58Speaker 2: i'm just like i liked that it was in a
- 1:19:00Speaker 2: nice little format it was digital but it's like it's
- 1:19:03Speaker 2: convenient my CD player is getting a little iffy these
- 1:19:07Speaker 2: days but I'm like I still have a version of
- 1:19:09Speaker 2: it that like when my phone dies and I need
- 1:19:13Speaker 2: to reload it I don't have to go download it
- 1:19:15Speaker 2: again or find where it got lost as a file
- 1:19:18Speaker 2: it's sitting on my case with all my CDs how
- 1:19:20Speaker 2: many times has.
- 1:19:21Speaker 6: Your computer crashed and you've lost everything it's like I
- 1:19:24Speaker 6: fucking hate that.
- 1:19:26Speaker 2: The first few times I downloaded something when I was
- 1:19:29Speaker 2: like oh you can just pay a buck and get
- 1:19:30Speaker 2: this song and then like Six months later, it like
- 1:19:34Speaker 2: quit working.
- 1:19:35Speaker 7: I'm like, my CD never quit working.
- 1:19:37Speaker 2: Screw you guys. I want a physical version of this.
- 1:19:40Speaker 2: So I'm still looking for CDs. Like the handful of
- 1:19:43Speaker 2: bands that are still putting... I'm like, nope, I'll take that.
- 1:19:44Speaker 6: Oh, I definitely still... Oh, all the bands that I
- 1:19:47Speaker 6: still listen to, I mean, I buy the CDs from them.
- 1:19:50Speaker 6: Or if I can. That's the only way bands are
- 1:19:51Speaker 6: making money these days. Yeah, well, and merch. Merch is, yeah.
- 1:19:55Speaker 6: If you buy a t-shirt from a band, that gets
- 1:19:57Speaker 6: them cash.
- 1:19:58Speaker 2: Usually they don't get anything off of the recording deal.
- 1:20:00Speaker 2: But yeah, merch money is all theirs.
- 1:20:02Speaker 6: Unless you buy the album first.
- 1:20:03Speaker 2: From them when they're, again, if it's a smaller that,
- 1:20:06Speaker 2: that they're walking around, like standing at a table after
- 1:20:09Speaker 2: there's that.
- 1:20:10Speaker 6: But I mean, even like, like bands like dog fashion,
- 1:20:12Speaker 6: disco or polka dot, you know, like, I mean, they'll,
- 1:20:14Speaker 6: they'll release a CD and they'll pump the shit out
- 1:20:16Speaker 6: of it on Facebook. And then you go right to
- 1:20:18Speaker 6: their razor to risk records. And then that's owned by them. Yeah.
- 1:20:22Speaker 7: Which is the way a lot of it is now.
- 1:20:24Speaker 6: Absolutely.
- 1:20:25Speaker 7: So many, because again, the system's changed so much.
- 1:20:28Speaker 2: Now, the only way to survive sometimes is to just
- 1:20:30Speaker 2: do your own thing. And, hope you find your audience.
- 1:20:33Speaker 2: So yeah, definitely like go straight to the source and
- 1:20:36Speaker 2: give them the money.
- 1:20:37Speaker 6: If you can do it, man, I try to, I
- 1:20:39Speaker 6: don't have a ton of like disposable cash these days
- 1:20:41Speaker 6: as far as like for, for my nerd and for
- 1:20:43Speaker 6: like my hobbies and stuff. But at the same time,
- 1:20:45Speaker 6: I mean, I would, I'd say like, you know, I've
- 1:20:47Speaker 6: purchased a couple of new albums this year, you know,
- 1:20:49Speaker 6: and like, like the new creature feature that came out
- 1:20:51Speaker 6: last Halloween. I remember being like, like, you know, I
- 1:20:54Speaker 6: still listen to that a lot. Uh, this time around, like, uh,
- 1:20:57Speaker 6: I don't know. I, I definitely love, uh, Supporting physical
- 1:21:01Speaker 6: media instead of just the digital stuff. Because I fucking
- 1:21:05Speaker 6: hate losing that stuff.
- 1:21:06Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
- 1:21:07Speaker 1: I'm a vinyl nerd. If I go to an actual
- 1:21:11Speaker 1: show and the band has a vinyl, I'll pay a
- 1:21:15Speaker 1: little bit extra for that than a CD.
- 1:21:18Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 1:21:19Speaker 2: I mean, that is a... It's a different thing now.
- 1:21:22Speaker 2: It has been upgraded to a bigger, more impressive format.
- 1:21:26Speaker 1: Especially if it's a different colored vinyl.
- 1:21:28Speaker 7: I've seen those. I like those just from the geek angle.
- 1:21:31Speaker 2: There's one, too, that I'm like, I'll never play it,
- 1:21:34Speaker 2: but I kind of want one of those because it
- 1:21:35Speaker 2: looks cool.
- 1:21:36Speaker 6: Dude, the Bloodhound Gang put out their last album a
- 1:21:39Speaker 6: few years ago. It was called Hard Off. They put
- 1:21:43Speaker 6: that on vinyl, and it had a jizz-looking stain built
- 1:21:48Speaker 6: into it.
- 1:21:48Speaker 7: That does sound like them.
- 1:21:50Speaker 2: It totally was.
- 1:21:51Speaker 6: I saw a picture of it, and I'm like, I
- 1:21:52Speaker 6: don't even buy vinyl, but I want this vinyl.
- 1:21:55Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:21:55Speaker 6: Because it's so ridiculous that they did it.
- 1:21:58Speaker 1: My newest thing is a buddy of mine sent me
- 1:22:00Speaker 1: a Kadabra record. Have you heard of them?
- 1:22:02Speaker 6: Who?
- 1:22:03Speaker 1: It's a record company, or a record label, but they do... Basically,
- 1:22:06Speaker 1: there are audio books and a lot of Lovecraft stuff,
- 1:22:09Speaker 1: but it's all on multicolored vinyl. And it's really well made.
- 1:22:12Speaker 1: The production value is amazing. And that's my new obsession. Like,
- 1:22:17Speaker 1: I just got the Canterville Ghost, and it's on this
- 1:22:20Speaker 1: green marbled vinyl. And I'm like, this is so beautiful.
- 1:22:23Speaker 6: That's crazy.
- 1:22:24Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:22:25Speaker 1: And it's all audio books.
- 1:22:27Speaker 2: It's just too physical for me. And again, going back
- 1:22:30Speaker 2: to growing up with that. That is what I started
- 1:22:33Speaker 2: listening to. And it was just fighting with that damn needle.
- 1:22:37Speaker 2: I hated that as a kid. Even cassette was like.
- 1:22:40Speaker 6: This is great.
- 1:22:40Speaker 2: I just push play. It's portable. It's fast forward.
- 1:22:43Speaker 6: I can record off the radio.
- 1:22:45Speaker 7: And the first time I saw CDs.
- 1:22:47Speaker 2: It was just... You don't touch it. It's a laser.
- 1:22:51Speaker 2: This is space age technology. I want that. There's fingerprints
- 1:22:55Speaker 2: on it.
- 1:22:55Speaker 4: So, yeah.
- 1:22:57Speaker 2: Now people act like that's old-timey bullshit, which it is.
- 1:23:00Speaker 7: But I'm still, like, I'm partial.
- 1:23:01Speaker 1: Vinyl sales are outselling CDs.
- 1:23:03Speaker 6: Oh, yeah. I saw it. This is the first year in, like,
- 1:23:06Speaker 6: 30 years or something.
- 1:23:07Speaker 7: Vinyl sales is, like, continually skyrocketing.
- 1:23:10Speaker 1: It's like all those kids in the 70s and 80s now.
- 1:23:13Speaker 1: They're grown-ups, and they've got jobs and money, and they
- 1:23:16Speaker 1: want to buy their childhood again.
- 1:23:17Speaker 6: Plus, we.
- 1:23:19Speaker 2: created this super hip version of kids that are younger
- 1:23:23Speaker 2: that are just like, oh, I only listen to vinyl.
- 1:23:25Speaker 2: So it became its own weird thing. I think that's
- 1:23:28Speaker 2: when all those record stores kicked into high gear is
- 1:23:31Speaker 2: because it became a trendy thing.
- 1:23:34Speaker 7: And then I think all the older people were like.
- 1:23:35Speaker 2: Well, shit, I got that at home.
- 1:23:37Speaker 6: Hold on.
- 1:23:37Speaker 2: So then they're like, wait, I can go get new stuff?
- 1:23:40Speaker 2: So I think it reignited all the people that already
- 1:23:43Speaker 2: had all their old vinyl and then created a whole
- 1:23:46Speaker 2: new market too.
- 1:23:47Speaker 7: So there's a reason it's making so much money.
- 1:23:49Speaker 6: I feel like that's one of the benefits of all
- 1:23:51Speaker 6: the digital stuff is that we'll look at nowadays in
- 1:23:54Speaker 6: a lot of horror films, they go practical. Like a
- 1:23:57Speaker 6: lot of directors and even actors and stuff, are swearing
- 1:24:01Speaker 6: by working with practical effects as opposed to digital. And
- 1:24:05Speaker 6: everyone knows it, but it's so much easier now to
- 1:24:09Speaker 6: do digital because it's so accessible. It's cheaper.
- 1:24:11Speaker 2: Absolutely.
- 1:24:12Speaker 6: Easier, cheaper, yeah. Way faster, all that stuff. But it looks,
- 1:24:16Speaker 6: the final product looks so good that you are just
- 1:24:19Speaker 6: now getting a lot of current horror films that are
- 1:24:22Speaker 6: going back to that practical.
- 1:24:24Speaker 7: I think that's what we needed.
- 1:24:25Speaker 2: We need to see the terrible early 2000s Everything CG
- 1:24:30Speaker 2: badly slapped together. And just like, what the hell?
- 1:24:34Speaker 7: We needed to get the worst to be like.
- 1:24:36Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no.
- 1:24:36Speaker 2: That stuff that we thought was cheesy in the 80s
- 1:24:39Speaker 2: is pretty great, actually. Let's go back to that.
- 1:24:41Speaker 6: Well, and with any new technology.
- 1:24:43Speaker 2: I think we needed to slingshot back to it.
- 1:24:45Speaker 6: Well, I feel like people always just delve right into it.
- 1:24:48Speaker 6: So when CG is easy or when digital blood gets
- 1:24:52Speaker 6: popular and accessible, it's going to be.
- 1:24:55Speaker 2: Used in everything.
- 1:24:56Speaker 4: But.
- 1:24:57Speaker 6: But I feel when you have an artistic director or somebody,
- 1:25:01Speaker 6: for instance, if you listen to Eli Roth in the
- 1:25:03Speaker 6: first Hostel or whatever, he'll point out there's two or
- 1:25:06Speaker 6: three scenes in that entire movie where there's CG. And
- 1:25:08Speaker 6: one of them is where the kid bashes the guy's
- 1:25:11Speaker 6: skull with a rock. And they only used a little
- 1:25:14Speaker 6: bit of a shadow to make it look like that
- 1:25:16Speaker 6: part dented in. Then they replaced it with a practical
- 1:25:19Speaker 6: head and had him beating. And then another CG part
- 1:25:21Speaker 6: was just putting a smokestack in the background of a
- 1:25:23Speaker 6: scene that didn't exist. Because, dude, you use CG and
- 1:25:27Speaker 6: you use it effectively. It changes everything and you'll never
- 1:25:30Speaker 6: notice it. Like the first season of Mindhunter was all
- 1:25:33Speaker 6: like the whole background. It was all green screen? Apparently
- 1:25:36Speaker 6: like 90% of the backgrounds of all like the outdoor
- 1:25:39Speaker 6: shots were green screened. And I didn't know that. And
- 1:25:43Speaker 6: I'm like, wait, I sat and watched that entire show
- 1:25:46Speaker 6: and it didn't annoy me. Like that wasn't... So I
- 1:25:49Speaker 6: feel like if you use technology... Along with everything practical
- 1:25:53Speaker 6: and everything you know and whatever, you can get a
- 1:25:56Speaker 6: great result.
- 1:25:57Speaker 2: I think that was one of those early things that
- 1:26:00Speaker 2: really worked well going back to Nicotero, like The Walking Dead.
- 1:26:04Speaker 2: They still... There were times when it was a little iffy,
- 1:26:07Speaker 2: but as they progressed, they found.
- 1:26:09Speaker 7: This art and this balance to.
- 1:26:12Speaker 2: so much of what we're doing is practical and then
- 1:26:14Speaker 2: we dress it up a little bit here and there
- 1:26:15Speaker 2: with some blood or whatever which again blood's the hardest
- 1:26:18Speaker 2: thing to do but some of the gore effects they
- 1:26:20Speaker 2: would mess with a little bit but like majority of
- 1:26:23Speaker 2: what they were doing on there was was practical i.
- 1:26:25Speaker 6: Mean you mix a practical effect of a head coming
- 1:26:28Speaker 6: off with a digital effect of the blade on there
- 1:26:32Speaker 6: yeah and then it looks seamless absolutely and so that
- 1:26:35Speaker 6: that's where if you don't just rely on the new
- 1:26:38Speaker 6: technology to make everything easy and quick and you just
- 1:26:42Speaker 6: make it, you know, like put everything together, you know,
- 1:26:45Speaker 6: and then, then you're going to get a well polished
- 1:26:46Speaker 6: looking thing. I think people, if they know how to
- 1:26:49Speaker 6: do it, they can get something good.
- 1:26:51Speaker 1: I remember when, uh, like Xena and Hercules were coming
- 1:26:55Speaker 1: out and the sci-fi channel was putting out movies and
- 1:26:57Speaker 1: thinking like, wow, these are computer effects and they're amazing.
- 1:27:04Speaker 2: And you look back now and you're like, Oh, not
- 1:27:08Speaker 2: only the CG.
- 1:27:08Speaker 1: Effects are bad, Not nearly as bad as Kevin Sorbo.
- 1:27:12Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 1:27:14Speaker 2: But there was part of that that I was like,
- 1:27:16Speaker 2: even then, I think I remember recognizing, but they're kind
- 1:27:20Speaker 2: of doing their own thing. They were never network. They
- 1:27:23Speaker 2: always got picked up on syndication. And you could tell
- 1:27:26Speaker 2: because they would do weird stuff that you're like, no
- 1:27:29Speaker 2: network would approve this. But you're here and you're bringing in,
- 1:27:33Speaker 2: you've got freaking... Bruce Campbell. You're letting Bruce Campbell come
- 1:27:38Speaker 2: on and do his own weird goofy thing. He was
- 1:27:41Speaker 2: kind of popping about all over the place. He would
- 1:27:43Speaker 2: be part of their little shared universe. Everything about that
- 1:27:48Speaker 2: was so weird and off from everything else in the
- 1:27:51Speaker 2: norm that I was like, I still appreciate this for
- 1:27:53Speaker 2: being the weird thing that it is. thinking back even
- 1:27:57Speaker 2: then i was like i'm pretty aware this is not
- 1:27:59Speaker 2: great but like i think we're all again bonus but
- 1:28:03Speaker 2: and again like xena got better like hercules was kind
- 1:28:06Speaker 2: of rough from the get-go but like xena was pretty
- 1:28:08Speaker 2: entertaining as it went on so.
- 1:28:10Speaker 1: Yeah i think we're all pretty much owed a uh
- 1:28:12Speaker 1: revamp of briscoe county junior.
- 1:28:15Speaker 2: Oh god they missed the ball and again that was
- 1:28:18Speaker 2: just groundbreaking yeah let me People just did not. And again,
- 1:28:24Speaker 2: it ended up on the fourth network that nobody cared
- 1:28:26Speaker 2: about then and maybe still don't. But like it was
- 1:28:30Speaker 2: like it was shoved off on another network and nobody
- 1:28:33Speaker 2: knew what to do with it. And the people who
- 1:28:35Speaker 2: cared about Bruce Campbell didn't know it was on.
- 1:28:37Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 1:28:38Speaker 7: It was already over by then.
- 1:28:39Speaker 2: Yeah. else who saw it was like what the hell
- 1:28:42Speaker 2: is this so like yeah it's like that's one of
- 1:28:44Speaker 2: those that had it an extra season or two it
- 1:28:46Speaker 2: might have built up the fan base that it deserves
- 1:28:49Speaker 2: and yeah it just missed its windows i'm.
- 1:28:52Speaker 1: Gonna go ahead and say that that spawned the whole
- 1:28:54Speaker 1: steampunk revolution.
- 1:28:56Speaker 5: I can see that.
- 1:28:58Speaker 7: Thanks to that, we got Wild Wild West.
- 1:29:01Speaker 2: It all comes full circle. The masterpiece that is Wild
- 1:29:05Speaker 2: Wild West.
- 1:29:06Speaker 6: It's beautiful.
- 1:29:10Speaker 2: Alright. As I said, where will we end up?
- 1:29:16Speaker 6: Wild Wild West. Starring Kevin Kline and Will Smith.
- 1:29:20Speaker 1: It's beautiful. I need to start collecting that in the
- 1:29:24Speaker 1: Great Gatsby.
- 1:29:26Speaker 2: Just as many. We'll do that Jerry Maguire video store
- 1:29:31Speaker 2: just with nothing but Wild Wild West. VHS copies of
- 1:29:34Speaker 2: Wild Wild West.
- 1:29:35Speaker 1: Nothing's for rent.
- 1:29:36Speaker 2: Don't even touch it. It's just a concept piece. It's
- 1:29:41Speaker 2: a traveling show, if you will.
- 1:29:44Speaker 7: Which is what that's become at this point.
- 1:29:46Speaker 2: You can do that. That can be in your future. Alright,
- 1:29:50Speaker 2: well I think we've covered a lot of bases here.
- 1:29:54Speaker 2: A lot of area of geekdom.
- 1:29:56Speaker 6: Yeah, have fun editing.
- 1:29:58Speaker 2: There is no editing.
- 1:30:00Speaker 7: We started, and this is where we've ended up.
- 1:30:03Speaker 6: Record, play.
- 1:30:04Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:30:06Speaker 7: You're welcome, everyone.
- 1:30:08Speaker 2: This is what comes together when we sit down. So
- 1:30:11Speaker 2: I think we should do this more often.
- 1:30:14Speaker 5: Definitely.
- 1:30:14Speaker 1: I'm all down.
- 1:30:16Speaker 2: So if you'd like that, just let us know.
- 1:30:18Speaker 7: If not, we'll probably still do it anyway.
- 1:30:20Speaker 1: We're doing it anyway. The public has no say.
- 1:30:23Speaker 2: But I'm trying to get people more interactive. I think
- 1:30:26Speaker 2: for as much options of that is out there on
- 1:30:29Speaker 2: the internet, it's so rare that I see people do it.
- 1:30:32Speaker 2: Or definitely people doing it here. There's a handful of
- 1:30:34Speaker 2: people I actually talk to semi-regularly. And then a lot
- 1:30:38Speaker 2: of other people that don't interact. So I'm like, I
- 1:30:40Speaker 2: would like to hear if there's other people out there.
- 1:30:43Speaker 2: And be like, no, that guy was awesome. Have him
- 1:30:45Speaker 2: back on. So if you've got nice things to say,
- 1:30:48Speaker 2: let us know. If not, shut up. We don't want
- 1:30:50Speaker 2: to hear it.
- 1:30:51Speaker 1: That's what the internet's for.
- 1:30:52Speaker 2: Take that to somebody else's show and complain to them. Alright,
- 1:30:58Speaker 2: well thank both of you for being here and.
- 1:31:00Speaker 6: Everyone else for putting up with our rambling.
- 1:31:05Speaker 1: Anytime I can sit around with two guys that I
- 1:31:07Speaker 1: dig and talk about nerdy stuff, I'll always do it.
- 1:31:11Speaker 2: That is what this show is created for. So we
- 1:31:16Speaker 2: will do it some more in the future.
- 1:31:18Speaker 7: But otherwise, that about does it.
- 1:31:20Speaker 2: We will return next time. Same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
- 1:31:51Speaker 8: Even though we sometimes, we're not gonna make.
- 1:31:54Speaker 2: We were happy with the joy that we had.
- 1:32:18Speaker 8: Find your best to bring the water to your eyes.
- 1:32:21Speaker 8: Thinking it might stop her from whooping your behind.
- 1:32:26Speaker 2: I face those days.
- 1:32:27Speaker 4: Good.
- 1:32:29Speaker 1: Come back for smoke.
- 1:32:30Speaker 2: Why did those days end?
- 1:32:54Speaker 8: Brother said he's telling aren't you playing doctor.
- 1:32:59Speaker 2: With that nerve?
- 1:33:02Speaker 8: Just don't tell him I'll give you anything you want
- 1:33:07Speaker 8: in this old white world. Mama gives you money for
- 1:33:14Speaker 8: Sunday school. You trade your spaghetti after church is through.
- 1:33:21Speaker 8: Smoke I did something nasty on the wall. You nasty boy.
- 1:33:30Speaker 8: He just sent it to the principal's office down the hall.
- 1:33:39Speaker 1: You go up and learn.
- 1:33:41Speaker 2: That kind of.
- 1:33:42Speaker 8: Thing is right.
- 1:33:44Speaker 6: But while you.
- 1:33:45Speaker 8: Are doing it, it's shrugged out on the side. I
- 1:33:48Speaker 8: wish those things.
- 1:35:23Speaker 2: Figure we better wrap up or we'll be here for
- 1:35:25Speaker 2: hours and hours.
- 1:35:27Speaker 6: I was just going to say, I totally forgot what
- 1:35:29Speaker 6: time it was and I still have to go to
- 1:35:30Speaker 6: my mom's.
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