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Jay Valentine: Guilt Trip · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

• 0:30
  Speaker 1: We've got Jacob from Guilt Trip. Super excited to chat
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: with you. Jacob.
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  Speaker 2: Guilt Trip, I'll say as a newer band for me.
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  Speaker 1: But when we saw the your band that we could
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  Speaker 1: potentially interview, Colin immediately jumped on it.
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  Speaker 2: He was like, this is a band that I've been
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  Speaker 2: listening to for a while.
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  Speaker 1: He really likes him, and so I started listening to
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: you guys, and I'm like, incredibly impressed. I know you
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: guys have been around for like nearly a decade. I'm
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: surprised that I haven't heard of you guys yet. Maybe
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: it's because of the y'all are in the UK, but regardless,
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  Speaker 1: very impressed, very impressed by the new music. So super
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: excited to chat with you. Well, obviously we'll talk about
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  Speaker 1: all things Guilt Trip, but before we dive into that,
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  Speaker 1: how are you doing it a Jacob?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm good.
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  Speaker 4: I'm happy to be here. Thanks for having me on here.
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  Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to.
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  Speaker 1: I Gotta Raiders had by the way, is yeah, are
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  Speaker 1: you are you an actual Las Vegas Raiders?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Well, my dad's a massive sport at so football and
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  Speaker 4: American football a big in our house.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, I've been we've been watching Raiders and that's
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  Speaker 3: this team.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's his team, the Raiders. He supported him since
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  Speaker 4: like the sixties, so.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, yes, way back in the the Los Angeles Raiders. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he's for a long time. Yeah, he's seen
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  Speaker 4: all that. So yeah, and you got you gotta follow
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  Speaker 4: the same sports team as your dad.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like that's right, that's right, that is a
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  Speaker 5: law if you ask me.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 5: I also got to say, I think this might be
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  Speaker 5: the first time we've ever had somebody sitting in what
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  Speaker 5: look appears to be like a Queen Anne or Victorian
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  Speaker 5: era style house, maybe flat, I'm not entirely sure where
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  Speaker 5: you're at while wearing a nickelback shirt.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's that's probably a first for that.
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  Speaker 4: But my mum's big on like Victorian era houses, so
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  Speaker 4: we've always lived in something like this.
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  Speaker 5: I love it.
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  Speaker 1: It looks beautiful, looks like what is about What is
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  Speaker 1: it about hardcore dudes from the UK that just looks
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  Speaker 1: so American to me?
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  Speaker 4: From I think this is like, this is like me
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  Speaker 4: and the rest of the guys in the band are
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  Speaker 4: like so American coded, like we grew up listening to
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  Speaker 4: American music. Watching American films. So this is a bad example. Like,
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure if you got someone that's more sort of
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  Speaker 4: accustomed to the UK culture and stuff, but.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like this kind of music.
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  Speaker 4: There's a lot of successful American bands, so yeah, a
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  Speaker 4: lot of people, so go down that route.
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  Speaker 1: Last year we interviewed Berry Tomorrow and it was the
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  Speaker 1: same thing, like all those dudes looked so American to so.
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  Speaker 5: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: Sweet. Well, let's talk about Guilt Trip.
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  Speaker 1: I would imagine even before you started Guilt Trip and
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  Speaker 1: were a part of Guilt Trip, you were probably you know,
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  Speaker 1: listening to hardcore, you were listening to metal. Yeah, what
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  Speaker 1: what got you inspired to play music?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? I started listening to probably like heavier music when
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  Speaker 4: I was super young, like a kid, maybe around five
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  Speaker 4: six years old, because my older brother used to listen
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  Speaker 4: to a lot and he had like a Waterman and CDs.
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  Speaker 4: So I used to go in his bedroom when he
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  Speaker 4: want in and take all his CDs and listen. And
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  Speaker 4: that was my sort of introduction to heavier music like
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  Speaker 4: linkin Park and Limb Biscuit and stuff. And then just
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  Speaker 4: through like the pipeline of metal, I sort of discovered
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  Speaker 4: other bands such as like mad Ball, for example, and
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  Speaker 4: that's what got me into the more hardcore style of
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  Speaker 4: the genre. And yeah, from there just fleshed out my
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  Speaker 4: sort of taste and listened to so many different bands.
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  Speaker 4: And it was actually Papa Roach was the first band
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  Speaker 4: that I listened to where I actually considered like I
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  Speaker 4: could do this with my life, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 4: Like that was the first time I know it. I
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  Speaker 4: was probably like twelve thirteen at the time, but yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I was just listening to him on the off chance,
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  Speaker 4: randomly and it just came to me like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's maybe I could do this one day, I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: and then it just sort of stemmed from there.
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  Speaker 5: Is Papa Roach maybe bigger in the UK or Europe
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  Speaker 5: as a whole than they are in America. Sometimes I wonder,
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  Speaker 5: because a lot of bands that we have on actually
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  Speaker 5: do recognize Papa Roach as kind of like their gateway
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  Speaker 5: drug into into the music scene itself, but they tend
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  Speaker 5: to be individuals from the UK or from Europe as
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  Speaker 5: a whole. Is that something that you would say is
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  Speaker 5: also the case? I'm curious.
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  Speaker 4: As an American, I guess they had They definitely had
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  Speaker 4: the Heyday in like the early two thousands, it was
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  Speaker 4: all over MTV, like Last.
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  Speaker 3: Result and that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I feel like there were a big world
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  Speaker 4: at that time. But since I don't know sort of
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  Speaker 4: the current state of that band and like what what
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  Speaker 4: sort of numbers pull, But maybe they are just a
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  Speaker 4: little bit bigger in Europe. This is the kind of
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  Speaker 4: music that Europe sort of glues to and like sticks to,
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  Speaker 4: so maybe maybe they do better over.
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  Speaker 5: It makes sense, makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: It is like funny, like you know, you're mentioning like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Lincoln Park, Olympiscuit, Paper Roach, like I'm telling you, like
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  Speaker 1: you you really should have been born in like California
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  Speaker 1: in the nineteen nineties or something, because like it makes
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  Speaker 1: no sense that, like I guess, like when I think of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, people growing up in the UK, it's just
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  Speaker 1: like I'm not I'm not expecting Poper Roach and Lincoln Park,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, those bands were like worldwide. But it's
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  Speaker 1: just like blows my mind that there are people in
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  Speaker 1: the UK that were listening to those bands regularly and
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  Speaker 1: became their favorite bait.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it was just MTV and like you know,
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  Speaker 4: the music channels like that were just so big over here,
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  Speaker 4: and it was always American bands and American TV shows
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  Speaker 4: and stuff, so we we I guess we kind of
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  Speaker 4: got Americanized through just that kind of media, and it
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  Speaker 4: just stuck with me, like, you know, how can you
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  Speaker 4: listen to hybrid theory when you're seven eight years old
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  Speaker 4: six seven eight and then not like it when you
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  Speaker 4: you're thirty years old?
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  Speaker 3: Like it it's an all.
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  Speaker 1: Timer, like America was playing the long game and just
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  Speaker 1: like eventually going to colonize Britain at least through our music.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly like that.
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  Speaker 5: So when so okay, so you're go ahead, Mace, I'm
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  Speaker 5: a little bit behind, so you go ahead on my.
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  Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, like, okay, so you know,
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  Speaker 1: you're listening to a lot of these bands growing up,
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  Speaker 1: and you know you're mentioning like you know, Poper Roach,
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  Speaker 1: slimp Biscuit, Lincoln Park. You know, those aren't like straight
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  Speaker 1: up like hardcore bands or like metal core bands. So
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  Speaker 1: like what got you into like the even heavier stuff.
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  Speaker 4: I guess probably Slipknot was like the gateway into sort
• 6:52
  Speaker 4: of more metal kind of music, And through Slipnot, I
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  Speaker 4: learned about bands like Machine Ed and Machine Ed We're
• 6:58
  Speaker 4: always touring with like hardcore bands, you know, like bands
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  Speaker 4: like Sick of It All and stuff like that. So
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  Speaker 4: from there I discovered like mad Ball and bands like Terror.
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  Speaker 4: A bit later on Hate Breed, and there are big
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  Speaker 4: influences for me and the rest of the guys in
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  Speaker 4: Guilt Trip mm hmmm.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, so like what did you know what like
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  Speaker 1: inspire you to like pick up an instrument and start,
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  Speaker 1: Like did you like listen to those bands and you
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  Speaker 1: know long enough or enough and you were like, I
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  Speaker 1: want to do that, Like I would imagine like that
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  Speaker 1: was kind of the the impetus to like, actually, you know,
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  Speaker 1: start start a band itself.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I don't have a musical bone in my whole body.
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  Speaker 4: I cannot play any sort of instruments. So it was
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  Speaker 4: never sort of that's what I mean when I say, like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the Papa Roach thing. I realized maybe I
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  Speaker 4: could do the singing or something like that. But the
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  Speaker 4: guitarist in our band, Jack, he's always been like musical.
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  Speaker 4: He was playing guitar for he must have been playing
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  Speaker 4: for almost twenty years now, so he was always in
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  Speaker 4: bands around around school. And I'd be a little bit
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  Speaker 4: jealous because it'd be like, you know, that's what kind
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  Speaker 4: of what I would like to do with him being
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  Speaker 4: my best friend, you know what I mean. So one
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  Speaker 4: day we're just like, like he tried doing like this
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  Speaker 4: screaming and stuff because we were getting onto like heavier
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  Speaker 4: bands then, and I was like, yeah, I'll give it.
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  Speaker 4: I'll give it a go, and then you know, just
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  Speaker 4: buy a miracle. I was pretty good at it straight away,
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  Speaker 4: and then we built a band from there, and then
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  Speaker 4: over time like somehow got worse at the vocals, and
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  Speaker 4: then the band got bigger. So I don't know how
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  Speaker 4: how exactly that works, but here we are.
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  Speaker 5: Uh, speaking of Jack. I do think it's kind of
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  Speaker 5: funny because you know, usually in America and elsewhere, hardcore
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  Speaker 5: bands don't generally have like guitarists that shred that ken shred, right,
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  Speaker 5: But Jack can like legit shred, and he like he'll
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  Speaker 5: he'll like throw like little pieces of that out in
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  Speaker 5: certain songs I've noticed, and it always like I'm like, WHOA,
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  Speaker 5: what was where did that come from? I think I
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  Speaker 5: think the song Broken Wings has like a little a
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  Speaker 5: little shred solough that just kind of like comes out
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  Speaker 5: of nowhere and it feels like such a breath of
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  Speaker 5: fresh air in oftentimes in the hardcore community, because it
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  Speaker 5: feels like hardcore oftentimes is kind of maybe you're you're
• 9:20
  Speaker 5: you're less talented guitarists and things like that that are
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  Speaker 5: that are helping to structure the songs. But it's clear
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  Speaker 5: that Jack can He's got chops, That's what I should say.
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  Speaker 5: Was that something that you recognized early on when when
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  Speaker 5: you and Jack were hanging out in the early years.
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  Speaker 4: I always knew he was he was great at guitar because, like,
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  Speaker 4: like I said, I can't play anything, So he could
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  Speaker 4: play the most basic riff of all time and I'd
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  Speaker 4: be like mind blowing the way he's doing it. So
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  Speaker 4: but I think that's something that I'd attribute our recent
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  Speaker 4: sort of success to is just the fact that the
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  Speaker 4: musicians in the band are like so so talented, Like
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the riffs that that Jack can play, and
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  Speaker 4: Tom on the drone kid, like I think, just some
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  Speaker 4: of the best musicians I've ever personally seen in my life.
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  Speaker 3: So I think that's sort.
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  Speaker 4: Of what has dragged us through this like recent period
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  Speaker 4: of like you know, a heavy touring schedule, a lot
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  Speaker 4: more success than we had in the first few years.
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  Speaker 4: I'd definitely attribute it to sort of talent within the
• 10:21
  Speaker 4: instrumental side of the band.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, incredibly tight as well, which is so important when
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  Speaker 5: it comes to a hardcore band, you know, being able
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  Speaker 5: to groove and remain tight in live performance as well
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  Speaker 5: as in the studio and everything like that. It's so,
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  Speaker 5: so so important. I've watched some videos. I haven't had
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  Speaker 5: the chance to see you guys live yet. I hope
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  Speaker 5: to change that this summer, But the tightness of everybody
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  Speaker 5: is just out of this world. If you watch a
• 10:48
  Speaker 5: live YouTube video, for example, of you guys playing as
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  Speaker 5: a vocalist, do you find that makes your job just
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  Speaker 5: like a million times easier?
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  Speaker 3: One hundred percent.
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  Speaker 4: I think we saw a bride ass Elves on the
• 11:00
  Speaker 4: live show. As of the last few years, we've made
• 11:04
  Speaker 4: it like we put at the forefront of our like repertoire,
• 11:08
  Speaker 4: as you could say, like just to make the live
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  Speaker 4: show so good that every time we kind of play,
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  Speaker 4: whether it's on like a big total loads of new
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  Speaker 4: people or a festival, we go home with people that
• 11:18
  Speaker 4: are impressed and want to listen to us Beyond that,
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  Speaker 4: So it's definitely something we've sort of consciously tried to
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  Speaker 4: become better at but like you say, for me, it's
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  Speaker 4: just so easy, like I know exactly what I'm doing
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  Speaker 4: at all times because the guys behind me are just
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  Speaker 4: like so cleaning up what they do. It's just late
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  Speaker 4: laser precision really in every beat and every sort of
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  Speaker 4: riff and stuff. So it makes my life a hell
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  Speaker 4: of a lot easier, and I'm sure it makes the
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  Speaker 4: lives of the people watching easier because you can hear
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  Speaker 4: exactly what's cotting arms, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, gets a moving too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we've all been to hardcore shows where yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's just like not maybe the best sound, and so
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  Speaker 1: it's just like it's just a wall of sound and
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  Speaker 1: you can't like really pick up.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think honestly, like metal is, it becomes a
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  Speaker 4: victim of its own sort of like aggressiveness in a way.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes and you hear a band who.
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  Speaker 4: You can tell they can play, and you can tell
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  Speaker 4: that they're killing it, but just the I don't know
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  Speaker 4: whether it's like the way they've got it set up
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  Speaker 4: or the tones or whatnot, and it just completely demolishes
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  Speaker 4: any sort of precision you can you can take from
• 12:28
  Speaker 4: the from the live setting at least, which is something
• 12:31
  Speaker 4: that we suffered with majorly back in the day, and
• 12:33
  Speaker 4: we've worked to sort of correct that, you know, whether
• 12:37
  Speaker 4: it's better equipment or just learning your equipment a bit
• 12:41
  Speaker 4: better to get that more accurate sound and make it,
• 12:44
  Speaker 4: you know, make sure people know exactly what's going on.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: One thing that I find interesting is like you guys
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: started what it was like fifteen sixteen, so about a
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: decade ago, and you kind of came in right at
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: this time where metal and hardcore was sort of resurging,
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: And now like some of the bigger bands in the
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: world are metal and hardcore bands, you know, probably you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe with Knock Looseing being maybe potentially the most famous.
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  Speaker 1: And so yeah, I'm like curious for you guys, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like how do you sort of see yourselves within that
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  Speaker 1: whole like world, Like is it something where and maybe
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  Speaker 1: maybe you have your own thoughts and like why that's
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  Speaker 1: the case, Like why are we seeing this resurgence of
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  Speaker 1: metal and hardcore? But I'm curious just kind of like
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  Speaker 1: your general thoughts and like the scene kind of growing
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  Speaker 1: in the way that it had.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think when we started there was good bands
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  Speaker 4: about and it well, i'd say it was healthy, but
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  Speaker 4: again it was like I don't really think anyone really
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: knew what was going on or what they were doing
• 13:43
  Speaker 4: or like anything like that. Like the shows we were
• 13:46
  Speaker 4: playing back then, no matter what band we were supporting,
• 13:48
  Speaker 4: it was like, you know, you'd be absolutely ex static
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  Speaker 4: at two hundred people then. And I mean we played
• 13:53
  Speaker 4: with Not Loose in twenty and eighteen one hundred cat
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  Speaker 4: venues in the UK, so it's like the sort of
• 14:02
  Speaker 4: size difference from then to now. And I liken it
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  Speaker 4: a lot to TikTok and social media. I think that
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  Speaker 4: the algorithms and stuff have really pushed metal in the
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  Speaker 4: last few years and people realize that it's not this
• 14:13
  Speaker 4: like genre forull of like weird emo people. It's actually
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: like listenable and there's there's there's.
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  Speaker 3: Like extreme artistic value to all of it.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that it's good to push it onto
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  Speaker 4: new people and that they can actually understand, oh my god,
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  Speaker 4: this is actually really good. Like it's not just you know,
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  Speaker 4: screaming scream all music as they would say back in
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  Speaker 4: the day. It's like actually, like there's there's a lot
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: of value to it, and it's you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, it helps in a lot of different circumstances.
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: Like a lot of our fans listen to us in
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: the gym, We see us on a lot of gym
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  Speaker 4: playlists and stuff like that.
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: So it's everyday life.
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: You can you can get metal on and it helps
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: you through your workout or your day or whatever. So
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  Speaker 4: there's there's definite value to it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and to Colin's point, you know, I think the
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: fact that like you guys are obviously incredibly talented in
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: your your own instruments, and obviously you as a vocalist,
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: and you know, a lot of these other bands, like
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: bands like Knock Loose, I just think, like they're so
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: incredibly talented, they're they're incredibly creative. And so I would
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  Speaker 1: also attribute a lot of the growth in the scene
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  Speaker 1: just because like we're actually getting a saturation of really
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: talented bands.
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  Speaker 2: I think there was maybe a time.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: Where, especially when like Cullin and I were growing up,
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: you know, especially here in America, a lot of like
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: the metalcore bands, for example, they just kind of became
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: a derivative of each other and there wasn't a lot
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: of uniqueness or creativity amongst a lot of those bands.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that, you know, while a lot of those.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: Bands became very big for maybe a hot second, that
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: scene really died for at least some time. And so
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: I think the fact that we're seeing so many bands
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: kind of reseurge and grow again, I think is actually
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: a testament to their creativity and uniqueness.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, bands like Loath, you know another
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: UK band like just so incredibly talented, so unique, uh
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  Speaker 1: and uh, Like those are the kind of bands where
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm excited that those are like the big
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: bands within the scene because they are so different and
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: so creative. And so I think you guys are one
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  Speaker 1: of those, like, you know, one of those bands that
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: are just incredibly talented and incredibly creative.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And so it's exciting that those are the kind of
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: bands that we can put out in the music world
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: and say like these are these are the talented, amazing
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: metal and hardcore bands.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: I think that the talent and ability definitely is sort
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: of the bass for a lot of these bands. And
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, an algorithm can only push you
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: so far. You have to actually be good at what
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: you do for people for it to stick on people.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: You know what, I mean, so I definitely think that
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: the abilities sort of you know, it's a given you need,
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: you need that to progress for sure.
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's cool that the general music scene now
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: is recognizing a lot of these bands in that way.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: You know, I think like Turnstile just want a few
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: different Grammys. Uh, And so it's cool that you know,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: bands that you know a lot of us like you know,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: like when I think of a band like Turnstiles, you know,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: as big as they've gotten, their bands that we would
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: identify like they're they were in our scene, like they
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: weren't a band that you know, just started and immediately
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: started playing the biggest that kind of backing there, a
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: band that.
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: Forever doing different different things and stuff. So it's nice
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: to see bands sort of get that success from trying
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: so hard for so long, like the you know that
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: the kind of bands that deserve the platform that they've
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: that they've gotten to now.
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Jacob, are you the primary lyrical writer?
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: I am?
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, I've got to ask this question because I've
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: noticed like this trend within your songwriting, and that is
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: almost like a religious extent existentialism or maybe a spiritual existentialism.
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: Would you mind maybe walking us through that a little
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: bit for for you, Yeah, because I've noticed that this
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: it's a theme that you tend to come back to
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: very often, and it's something that for Mason and I especially,
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: I think we both resonate with quite significantly. And I'm
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: really curious to hear your thoughts on this and maybe
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: your journey that at least lyrically. It seems very very
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: clear that you have been going down for a while now.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, Well, I'm a very religious person. I brought
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: up with a really religious mother, she's a Lasist, and
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: so I was around religion all the time growing up.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: And I had the phase where I went to a Church.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: Of England school high school and nobody there was religious,
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: and it just like totally blew my mind out, Like
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: you know, we were all in this school and I
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: seemed to be the only one that was religious, and then,
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: you know, with friends around me that didn't really feel
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: that way, I sort of lost the faith I had
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: at that time as well. And then only after leaving
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: school was when I started leaning back on it and
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: got sort of back into it. And that's something that
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: really it helps me sort of because I don't feel
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: like I'm that much of a creative person.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: I was never creative growing up.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: I was always more sporty, like I'd be involved in
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: the sports side of things rather than the sort of
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: fine arts and stuff. So our religious sort of upbringing
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: really helps me, you know, dissect what I'm feeling and
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: put it into words and then put it onto the songs.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: So it's a it's really important to me to have
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: that because I'd just be.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Writing absolute nonsense without it. I feel like, does.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: It feel like for you guys, or maybe for you specifically,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: like you know, with your faith being such an important
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: part of who you are and obviously your music, you know,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: like Colin and I we like grew up in like
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: with a lot of like the Christian music paints, you know,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: like you know, a solid State records and Tooth and
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Nail Records and and even like kind of the more
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: like ministry based bands, if you will, like from like
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: face down records, Like is there like do you have
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: like a sense of like having that do you like,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: do you feel like Guilt Trip is kind of in
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: that vein of those types of bands or is it
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: something where it's like very just like personal for you,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: like your faith is really personal for you, and it's
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: not like something where you're gonna write about that naturally,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: because it's personal. But it's not something where it's like
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: we're trying to be this type of band that's like
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: trying to you know, make this like a ministry or whatever.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're not a religious band at all.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: Really, I'm the only person here that's that's religious, and
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: the guys just sort of give me the freedom to
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: be able to write about that and talk about it
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: in the way that I want. And you know, I'm
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: super thankful for that because there's a lot of people
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: sort of in this day and age that like Gnaw's
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: faith and don't I don't want anything to do with it.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: But you know, I'm lucky enough to be around people
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: that are very open and very like accepting of my
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: beliefs and the and the way I feel and what
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: I sort of believe in. So and that really helps
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: me manically, because without that, I'd, like I say, I
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: wouldn't know what what I can write about, how to
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: write it, or it wouldn't have the same effect on
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: me to do this. This music wouldn't be as much
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: of an outlook for me. If I had to you know,
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: make stuff up from something that I haven't experienced, you
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: know what I mean. But guilt, it's not really just band.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't put us in that bracket of sort of
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: Christian bands or anything like.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: That's just just me.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a lot of those bands can like
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: tend towards like using music as a gateway for something
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: beyond music, and like, you know, there's lots of bands
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: that will do something along those lines or whatever, and
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I get that, but at some point it feels like
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: the art of the music matters less then, and so
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: a lot of times, a lot of those bands, not
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: all of them, but a lot of those bands really
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: just struggle, in my opinion, they struggle with the actual
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: art of music. Like they're they're not actually the best,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: you know, they're not creating the best or more interesting
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: creative music. Yeah, and so yeah, I think like you
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: being able to like talking about something that's very important
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: to who you are, like obviously that's naturally going to
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: come out and any writer, I think, like any writer
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: is going to talk about.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Like what matters to them.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: But if it like became something where it's like the
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: music is actually secondary to this primary purpose, it oftentimes
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: devalues the actual music itself. And so yeah, I think
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: you guys are able to then avoid that because you're
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: just talking about something that's going to naturally come out
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: of you. But if the point isn't we're trying to
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: be this sort of religious thing and that's primary, and
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: then the music is secondary. Like, I think that's part
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: of the reason that like you guys are able to
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: sort of avoid the gimmickiness. I think that sometimes a
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: lot of those bands fall into.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you know, for all of us, it's
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: still about the music first and foremost, and you know,
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: being the person that asked to write the sort of
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: lyrics that's just why and lean on and take inspiration
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: from rather than you know, forcing an a gender on anyone.
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: That's not what I'm trying to do. And a lot
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: of my lyrics I like to leave sort of metaphorical
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: and open ended for people to take their own sort
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: of spin on it, and if if they think it's
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: about a certain thing, that helps them, you know, relate
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: to it, and that's that's good for me, because you know,
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: I don't have the same experience as everyone out there,
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: and people might not relate to some of the things
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: that I'm talking about, so I like to leave it
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: sort of open and not so much on the nose
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: for people.
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I can really appreciate that because it feels like,
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: you know, our spirituality is something that every human tends
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: to have to kind of contend with as time goes
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: on throughout their life, and there's going to be these
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: catalyst moments that are going to kind of change, you know,
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: their viewpoints on spirituality, on God.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: On.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: Their own beliefs, and it also kind of sets up
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: their entire identifying systems. For most people, I would say.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: At least yeah, I think yeah you finished.
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: Sorry sorry yeah. In in in a hardcore band, I
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: think that that's such an essential aspect of musical songwriting
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: because it's saying, this is what I'm relating to at
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: this moment, These are some of the struggles I have,
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: These are some of the this is where I place
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: my foundation of my life. But that doesn't mean you
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: have to, but maybe we can kind of go on
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: this journey together. I think that's such a beautiful thing
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: that hardcore in particular does better than just about any
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: genre on the planet.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: If you ask me, yeah, I'd agree definitely. I think
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: like the sort of biggest element of hardcore for me
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: was the way that they're talking about their experiences and
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: it means something to them, you know, I mean, it
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: comes out in the energy of the songs and especially
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: in a live set in And I think that you
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: can't be a hardcore band if you're writing about stuff
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: that you don't actually believe in or feel. And whether
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: that's religion, whether it's something else, whatever it might be.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: It might be it might be writing song ung's denouncing
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: religion and you know, saying how much you hate it,
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: but that's you know, that's your experience, and if that's
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: the way you feel, I'd rather someone be sort of
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: real in what they say than then just go along
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: with this, like you know, pulling shit off the top
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: of the head, making stuff up and it not really
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: mean anything to them, right right?
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: So would you would you consider yourself still part of
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: the Anglican Church or would it be sorry, the Church
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: of England or would it be or is it non
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: denominational for you or or I was.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: I was a Protestant growing up Protestant Christian, so just
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: simple Church of England. It's not Catholicism a sort of
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: anything sort of a little more extreme. It's very sort
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: of like I don't really know what what you'd call it,
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: but you know, it was like we go to church
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: every week or so maybe we don't even go every week.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: It wasn't it wasn't really strict or anything like that.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: It was just sort of moral based. I guess, like
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: that's you know, how you want to live your life.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: Be a good person is the forefront of that. And
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: and that was all it was. It was never sort
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: of anything like you know, you're going to the megachurch,
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: paying a subscription and anything sort of like that. And
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: religion is totally different in the UK from America. I
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: realized that when when we told there last year that like,
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: I can understand why so many people have the backup
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: about it and why they sort of really don't like
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: it because of the way, you know, people take advantage
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: of it over there. And it's it's it's nothing like that,
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: that's all. It's a totally different experience.
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: Absolutely absolutely so.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: You guys recently got a new Bishop of Kingtonbury. Right,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: It's like it's like the first woman who is a
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: bishop of Canterbury, right.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, making moves, Yeah, progressing incredible.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the new music, you know, obviously, the
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: new EP. Yeah, love to just talk about like, Yeah,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: is there are there like sort of new sounds or
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: new ways of writing, or is there something new that
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: you're trying to do in some of this new music
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: that may be different than your previous Guilt Trip music
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: of the past.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Honestly, we're not tried to change at all. It's just
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: the progression sort of just come naturally, and I'd say
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: it's just become heavier. Really, I don't really think there's
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: much difference there from the three track EP to what
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: we had on sever and so I think that the
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: songwriting's improved because I think we just naturally become better
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: at doing that from doing it so much, And then
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: just the breakdown's got heavier for whatever reason, you know,
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: they just came out a little bit better.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: I guess.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, what I've noticed is a lot more refining, and
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: I think you kind of alluded to this earlier. It
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: feels more much more refined. It also feels like it's
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: going to translate so much better to a live show
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: than maybe some of your earliest records, and it packs
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: so much more of a punch. I mean, the old
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: stuff was was certainly punchy, but this is like so
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: much more on your face. It feels like even listening
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: to the record, it feels like you're at a hardcore show.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: And that makes me extremely excited because I want to
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: I want to see these songs live bad.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I was saying before about the live show
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: being the forefront of what we're trying to do. Of
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: every song, we sort of envision what it would be
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: like live and if it go down well, and if
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: like the Breakdown's gonna do well in a live setting,
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: if the song's long enough, or if it's too long,
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: So it's it's always the live show is always at
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: the front.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Of our sort of writing style.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: I guess to make sure that you know, we know
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: people are going to enjoy it when we play it
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: on the stage rather than just listening to it through
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: their headphones or whatever.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, you're gonna make Colin want to get back in
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: the pit.
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: On a stage dive. I wanna cave some skulls in.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Yes, and my guess man getting there.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's just it sounds so yeah, it's
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: just so again, like Colin mentioned before, like, you guys
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: just sound so tight, and you know that. I think
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: the new music is a great representation of that. Is
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: the EP like maybe like a little teaser for like
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: an album later on this year, next year, Like is
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: it a little teaser or is it just something where
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: it's like, all right, we just had three songs, let's
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: put it out and then we'll figure out new music
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: after that.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Do you know when this is gonna go live? This show?
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Probably like in a maybe in a few weeks.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: All right, we are announcing our record on the thirtieth
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: of this month. So yeah, the single the EP was
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: like we had these three singles. We did this last
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: time where we recorded two or three tracks prior to
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: recording the whole album and we watched a drip feed
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: them until the album was ready and then announced the album.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: But we're going to do that this time.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: But we had this idea of doing like the double
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: video and stuff like that, and between us and the label,
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: we just start doing like a little EP would be cool,
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: just three tracks, but all three of the songs will
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: be on the record. It was there was supposed to
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: be three singles, but because we wrote them first. They're
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: not as good as the rest of the album. So
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: now we're in this position where we got like a
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: bunch of other tracks that we wish would have been
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: the singles, but it's still it was cool to do
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: it that way and like have a little ep and
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: get people talking about us before we sort of revealed
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: the big one.
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: That's a great salesman line too. You heard the CP
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: it's really good, but they're way worse compared to the
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: rest of the album that's going to be coming.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: That should we get into top five?
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Mays, Yeah, let's do it all right, let's do it.
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: Take it away.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, let's.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Hear your top five most influential album So albums that
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: have shaped you as a person or a musician. You know,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: you mentioned some bands at the top of the show.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Maybe we'll hear a few of them, but yeah.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: It's a tough one.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: I'd say Lincoln Park, Irrid Theory was my introduction to
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: heavy music, so that's definitely got to be in there.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: That might be the most cited one at this point.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think everyone's gateway music.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, truly, it's and it's still like that album
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: still slaps, Like I listen to that album all the
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: time when I work out.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such an incredible.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: It's still the test of time. Definitely aged really well.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: It still yeah, it has aged so well, and it's
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: just one of those things where, like like you said before,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: it like introduced so many people to to heavy music
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: and truly like, yeah, some of the some of the
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: first music I think a lot of people heard where.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: They're screaming like very like very frequently involved.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just such an incredible album they did such
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: it's it's like amazing that a band like that ever existed. Yeah,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know if we'll ever I mean obviously, like
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: we talked about before, like knock Loose and Turnstile or
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: getting uh two levels of popularity. But but yeah, like
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know if anything's ever going to come to
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: come as close as like the level of popularity that
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Hybercuriy had but also primarily had screaming in it.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a one time thing. Definitely.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: We won't see a linkin Park that that version of
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: Linking Park ever.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Again. I think it's it's definitely a one and done type.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, all right, number two.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: Number two probably Burn My Eyes Machine Ed Machine needs
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: the biggest influence for Guilt Trips, So yeah, I'd say
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: that's probably their best album between that and The Blackening.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: One of the two, I'd probably go with Burn My
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: Eyes though, because it's it's a little more hardcore.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: I guess.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: So that's that's definitely up there for us. God, I
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: guess like a mad ball album, say off, hardcore still lives.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: Something like that was really important to me growing up.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Colin's a big mad ball thing here because you saw
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: them like twice.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: That for an ass, right, Colin.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, great. We just told with them last year.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: Insane still to this day, one of the best bands
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: I've ever seen.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: It was it one of those moments where meeting your
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: heroes was actually an al right thing.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean I've met him a couple
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: of times. We did tour with them, like we did
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: a little UK run back in twenty seventeen, maybe, so
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: we go kind of way back at this point, but
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: it was sick to do a full tour with them
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: and just see how they operate and the way they
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: approach what they do, and it's still so like, you know,
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: it's not you think a band of that sort of ill,
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: they've been around so long they maybe get kind of lazy,
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: stop giving a folk just sort of you know, but
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: it's not like that. It's like they're still as amazing
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: now as they were twenty thirty years ago and it was.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's inspirational to see and it's a privilege
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: to get to tour with a.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Band like that.
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they always seem like I.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Mean, they've been around longer than probably a lot of
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: you guys in the band.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. Yeah, they're older than me for sure, Like
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: the band itself is definitely older than me.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: They always seem like such a like the most down
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: to earth people in hardcore music.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, straight up, just super nice guys, normal guys. Yeah, crazy.
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: I appreciate that, all right. Number three.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Or maybe.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, number number four, I'd say, honestly, like iowa
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: Slipno like that that was sort of the first heavy
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: heavy music that I listened to, because obviously like Limp
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Biscuit and Rage Against Machine and stuff like that's definitely
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: not in the same brackets as slip No, I don't think,
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: and especially them first two Slipno albums, So i'd go
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: with Iowa Slipknot because it's just like the heaviest album ever.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that that definitely you guys pushed me into
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: a more heavy guy.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: I've ever played in Iowa. Sorry, have you guys ever
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: played in Iowa?
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: No?
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: We we We didn't play in Iowa.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Now if you ever, if you ever play in Iowa,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be like, this is worse Slipnot.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: From a lot of people that like nothing good does
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: of Iowa over than slip There's.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Just like nothing. It's literally it's pigs and corn.
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: That's it.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Uh, It's incredible that a band like Slipknot came out
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: of a place like there.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, insane really, I mean, well inspired by pigs
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: and corn.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Crazy.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Actually, what's interesting I mentioned before we uh talked with
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Barry Barry Tomorrow last year and they actually came through.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I live in the Twin Cities in Minnesota, and they
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: came through and one of the opening bands that played
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: with them at that show, like, it's like all of
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: the kids from the like from the guys from Slipknot,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: It's like their kids are in a band.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: I forget what the name of the band is, but
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: all of those all those kids are now in a
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: band together, and they're so talented, they're almost equally as
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: a talent waned as as their dads.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: It's yea insane crazy before just runs in the family
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: for some people.
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, truly. Before we get to number five, I do
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: have to ask this question just because, especially from artists
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: that we have on from other countries, I'm always curious
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: to know regionally or maybe geographically for you, what do
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: you think is kind of like the defining aspect of
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: of you as a person, you as a songwriter or
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: you musically is maybe connected to your geographical understanding of
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: your existence.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: I guess like being from Manchester.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: Manchester is such a musical but not not really for
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: metal but more like indie, like you know, Oasis and
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: that kind of thing, like one of the you know,
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: so many huge, huge bands have come out of Manchester.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: So I guess that's kind of like you get that
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: feeling of sort of expectation that you know, if you're
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: a musician from Manchester, you better be good or you
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: better hang it up. It's one of the two. You
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: can't you can't embarrass the city like that. So I
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: think that that's definitely something that sort of like resonates
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: in us. Is like the bands that came before us,
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: even though they're completely different genres, completely different style of music.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: But you know, you got on a the City and
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: that in that way, like just like they.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: Did, so the City sets a high bar for you.
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: It's basically what you.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Say, Yeah for sure, and yeah, definitely I love.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: That cool, cool, cool, all right.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: And then I would imagine you guys are like outliers
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: in the sense that, like, you know, I would imagine
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: like a beand like Oasis really pushes that kind of
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: more indie britpop kind of style. So I would imagine
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: like you guys are kind of outliers in the sense
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: that you guys play heavy music and have obviously grown
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: up listening to heavy music.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we're all we're all massive Oasis fans
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: as well, so it's not like we we sort of
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: picked one or the other. But it's the musician and shit,
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: more than anything, that's like inspirational and you want to
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: you want to do do it justice. Being from Manchester,
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: you can't you can't like be that band that people
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: are saying, Oh this this band's absolute dog shit and
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: the front Manchester, Like those two things can't go with
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: the same sentence.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: So you got you got to pull up and do it.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Right, love it. I get that.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: All right, let's hear that last favorite album, so you're
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: you're number five.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: Maybe something more modern like Secrets of the World by
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: Trapped on the Ice. They're a massive inspiration for for
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: me just before the band started, so you know, around
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: like twenty twelve, between twenty eight and twenty twelve sort
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: of that era was like monumental in shaping my taste
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: in music. I guess so, and that that was one
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: of the albums I listened to all the t UI
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: discography back then, but maybe that's the one that stands
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: out the most.
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolute legends, absolutely.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: Yes, with the the the best like modern hardcore band
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: ever straight so go Yeah.
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's I don't think you're gonna get much disagreement here, No.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: I mean that's pretty much where like I mean, because
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Turnstiles from Baltimore and and Trapped under Ice is like,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: I mean that's where like I mean, that's like Turnstiles
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: like roots right there. Yeah, I mean those guys had
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: to have grown up going to Trapped under Ice shows.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think that the singer turnstyle is the
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: drummer of Chops and Ryes.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: I forgot about that.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so I don't know if he still does,
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: like with Turnstile being busy and Chopped and Drys don't
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: really play anymore, so I don't know what happens if
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: they do play wherever he still plays, But yeah, I
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: mean he was, he was in that band, so they
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: definitely definitely close.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's sick cool.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: That's a great list, and you can obviously hear a
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: lot of like Guilt Trips influences in that. And obviously
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I would imagine that, you know, the rest of the
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: band have their own kind of influences as well, similar
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: or even different. But you can definitely hear a lot
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: of your your own influences in Guilt Trip which is
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: always cool.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: I'm glad I appreciate that.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: That that sort of the goal we want people to sort
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: of hear the influences through through our band.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Definitely.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sweet, wonderful. Well, Jacob, what do you want
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: to plug? Obviously new EP out? Yeah, what do you
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: want to play?
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, We've got an album coming out in the next
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: few months, probably in summer. We're going to announce it soon,
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: so please check it out with the singles that come
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: with it and let us know what you think. We're
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: touring the States throughout the entirety of April with our
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: friends in Malevolence, So come to a show if it's
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: coming close close by to your city or whatever, and
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: then yeah, just give us, give us a chance. If
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: you've not heard a Guilt Trip or listen to us before,
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: just give us a go and you might you might
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: like it.
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: Hell yeah, Yeah, you guys are touring quite a few
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: dates this summer in the States, aren't you.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, we're doing We're doing some festivals.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: We're doing Sound and Fury, which is something that we're
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: really looking forward to. Incarceration as well. Yeah, yeah, a
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: couple more so that's that's really exciting as well.
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So there's plenty of chances to go see a
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: Guilt Trip this summer if if your states, and we're
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: super excited. We're hoping that we can make one of
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: those work for sure.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: So sweet wonderful, Jacob. Anything else you'd like to plug?
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, did you ever see the movie Twisters back in
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: the day?
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like the like the like the Oklahoma, like the
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: one where the tornadoes.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, where he's chase.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: It's actually a true story, and my dad was one
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: of the storm chases that the story is basically, Yeah,
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: he used to used to drive around America chasing tornadoes.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: How crazy is that?
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: You guys probably don't get a ton of those, and you.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: Know, we don't get we don't get any Wow.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: So does he have any like gnarly stories of like
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: getting like taken.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Up into a tour.
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: No. Never. I think the film sort of dramatized it
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: a little bit in the sense that like, you know,
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: they get taken up inside the car and stuff.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: It was it was not like that.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: But he said he's had a couple of close calls
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: where he's he's at a shelter in you know, god
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: knows where.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: So so you're saying, like there that was a true
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: love those adrenaline junkies that are into that kind of thing.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: That was yeah, crazy.
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: I didn't realize that was a true story. So, like,
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: was your dad like depicted by one of the characters
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: in the film.
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: No, not, not not by name, but like you know,
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: he was part of the sort of the crew of
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: people that like because they have all these different kind
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: of like groups of people who kind of compete with
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: each other for like the best footage or the best
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: kind of stuff like that, and he was he was
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: part of the group that it's like the film's actually
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: following him based.
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: Off just for my own just for my own self,
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: I just want your dad to be like Philip Seymour
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: Hoffman's character.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: And he is called Philip.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: So yeah, there we go.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Maybe go dang.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know, there is something really cool about chasing
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: a storm. You know, Colin and I grew up in
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: the Midwest where there are a ton of tornadoes time,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: and so we definitely have like the kind of dad
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: that like if a nice storm is coming in, if
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: a tornado's coming in, like our dads were going out
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: on the porch and just like watching the whole thing
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: go down. Yeah, so not quite the same as like
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: actually chasing the storm something you're right in the eye.
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: Something cool is I have many fond memories growing up
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: where either me and my dad, or me and my uncle,
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: or just me. I don't know if Mason, if you
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: ever came with me once, but anytime there was a
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: tornado going on, we would try to go find it.
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: We would try to go and watch it the spout
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: come down and touch down and see if we could
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: see a cow flying across the road or something.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's probably where the All Star at all,
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: the storm chases, just the needs to saw see that
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: cow flying up into the sky.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean, that's the classic that's the classic image.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: So you got it.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: That's that's really what you're chasing. Not really chasing the storm,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: you're chasing that image.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're chasing the image definitely.
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the story that you can change.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Well, that's right.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Well, Jacob, thank you so much for chatting more about
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Kill Trip again. Just really excited about the new music.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll be able to catch you sometime this summer
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: and in the States, So thanks so much for chatting.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: Moore, thank you for having me. It was a pleasure.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Nice to meet you guys.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: And yeah, I'm hopefully we get to do it again
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: in the future once the album's out.
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: Hell yeah, we'd love to love it.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Sick