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- 0:00Speaker 1: Warning. The following podcast contains an entertaining look at astronomy, physics,
- 0:04Speaker 1: and space news throughout the known universe. Listeners have been
- 0:07Speaker 1: known to learn about astronomical phenomenon, the scientific method, and
- 0:10Speaker 1: expanded vocabulary to include terms like quasar asterism and uranus. Listen,
- 0:15Speaker 1: that's your own risk.
- 0:16Speaker 2: Go ahead. When made of stars, made them stars, madies, When.
- 0:29Speaker 3: Maida stars.
- 0:33Speaker 2: You could be from high they would New Mexicomus where all.
- 0:41Speaker 1: Stars, When.
- 0:54Speaker 3: We are made of stars. I'm West Carol, joined by
- 0:57Speaker 3: my good friend doctor Sean Cruising from column the State Universities,
- 1:01Speaker 3: Coca Cola Space Science Center.
- 1:03Speaker 2: Hay Sean, Good morning, West, good to be here today.
- 1:06Speaker 4: As we're getting ready to get started.
- 1:09Speaker 3: And I do like seven podcast shows a week typically,
- 1:15Speaker 3: like I have some weeks where I do more. Occasionally
- 1:17Speaker 3: I might do one less or something or if there's
- 1:20Speaker 3: a holiday, but overall I do.
- 1:22Speaker 4: About seven shows a week.
- 1:23Speaker 3: And as it turns out, this week you have these
- 1:27Speaker 3: milestone moments with we talk all the time about celebrations
- 1:31Speaker 3: and milestone moments like with space travel or with you know,
- 1:36Speaker 3: like we've got a significant anniversary for America this year
- 1:40Speaker 3: coming up very quickly it just hit me the other
- 1:43Speaker 3: day how quickly, like I started to notice in the
- 1:45Speaker 3: stores the red, white, and blue like coke bottles, and
- 1:47Speaker 3: I go, oh, okay, we're getting We're getting close to
- 1:52Speaker 3: July fourth, Like that's coming up faster than I realized.
- 1:56Speaker 3: But the way that anniversaries have certain numbers or celebrations
- 1:59Speaker 3: of numbers mean a little bit more. And when it
- 2:01Speaker 3: ends in a zero or ends in a five, like,
- 2:06Speaker 3: they tend to be a little bit more important. And
- 2:09Speaker 3: as it turns out, the way that this all dropped today,
- 2:13Speaker 3: this particular show is my two thousandth podcast that I've done.
- 2:18Speaker 2: Oh man, so this is the one that's a cool number.
- 2:22Speaker 3: This is a and it's just kind of like it
- 2:24Speaker 3: crept up on me. And then like in the last week,
- 2:27Speaker 3: I thought I may need to check on where I'm
- 2:29Speaker 3: at numerically, and I thought, I think this is going
- 2:32Speaker 3: to probably land on Made of Stars and it has. So, Yeah,
- 2:36Speaker 3: two thousand podcasts that I have produced and been a
- 2:39Speaker 3: part of. That's not counting ones where I've been a
- 2:41Speaker 3: guest or been interviewed or any of those kinds of things.
- 2:45Speaker 3: This is just shows that I've produced and been a
- 2:48Speaker 3: part of so.
- 2:50Speaker 2: I'm super excited to be the other half of that
- 2:53Speaker 2: well and a big part of it.
- 2:54Speaker 4: And if we can, I don't have it's.
- 2:56Speaker 2: Not that I have two thousand podcasts, but I'm just
- 2:58Speaker 2: happy to you know, share in your number and wish
- 3:01Speaker 2: you congratulations. That's that's a great achievement.
- 3:03Speaker 3: Well, and I certainly appreciate you and the show that
- 3:08Speaker 3: we do here, and this is you know, one of
- 3:11Speaker 3: the high points of my week is being able to
- 3:13Speaker 3: do this. I really love this show and this was
- 3:15Speaker 3: the flagship for when I said I'm going to start
- 3:19Speaker 3: a podcast company, and for a while I was doing
- 3:22Speaker 3: them for another company, and you know, that was what
- 3:25Speaker 3: the job was. And you know, those shows are part
- 3:28Speaker 3: of this number. And you know, it's just been a
- 3:35Speaker 3: fun ride.
- 3:36Speaker 4: That's all I'll say.
- 3:37Speaker 3: And I mean, I don't know, two thousand seems like
- 3:41Speaker 3: a lot, but I also feel like, you know, I got,
- 3:44Speaker 3: you know, at least eight thousand more in me, so
- 3:47Speaker 3: you know, we we can aim high. But really happy
- 3:51Speaker 3: to hit this number. And I thought was really cool
- 3:53Speaker 3: that it landed today.
- 3:54Speaker 2: So great. I mean, one one can imagine, like you know,
- 3:57Speaker 2: you're going to be talking anyway, so you might as
- 3:59Speaker 2: well hit the record button.
- 4:00Speaker 4: That's true, everybody know.
- 4:02Speaker 3: And this is my way of talking about stuff, especially
- 4:05Speaker 3: on some of the other shows. I do things that
- 4:08Speaker 3: maybe I'm not going to talk people's year off about,
- 4:10Speaker 3: like in public, and I get to get it out
- 4:12Speaker 3: of my system and then there's less temptation to you know,
- 4:16Speaker 3: Oh gosh, the number of times over the years, you know,
- 4:20Speaker 3: I would bring up some topic from the news and
- 4:24Speaker 3: my lovely wife.
- 4:25Speaker 4: Would just say say that for the show tomorrow.
- 4:28Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll hear it then, and I don't have to
- 4:32Speaker 3: hear it twice.
- 4:33Speaker 2: I would say that. People have that same kind of
- 4:35Speaker 2: reaction to me when I start telling them about some
- 4:38Speaker 2: you know, new story with black holes or you know,
- 4:41Speaker 2: you know the space time continuem. We're like, wow, that's
- 4:44Speaker 2: I'm going to go to the other side of the
- 4:45Speaker 2: room now, is that? And that's okay?
- 4:47Speaker 3: And that's fair sometimes and I sometimes when people come
- 4:51Speaker 3: up to me and want to talk about these things,
- 4:52Speaker 3: and I go, well, I do this on a show
- 4:55Speaker 3: and it's my job. And then not necessarily about this.
- 4:58Speaker 4: Because this is a little different.
- 5:00Speaker 3: It's you know, when there's opinions involved, that's when it
- 5:04Speaker 3: starts to get a little bit, you know, maybe yeah
- 5:07Speaker 3: that's right, and you know, yeah, you know, there can
- 5:10Speaker 3: be opinions when it comes to science too, so it's
- 5:14Speaker 3: just what it is. But anyway, I don't take for
- 5:17Speaker 3: granted the fact that we have people that listen and
- 5:20Speaker 3: make this possible. And I hit the ground running with
- 5:24Speaker 3: this whole podcast company just because of supporters, listeners, advertisers,
- 5:30Speaker 3: people that came with me when I started doing that,
- 5:33Speaker 3: because you know, the other job just kind of stopped
- 5:37Speaker 3: being a job for almost everybody and this was the
- 5:40Speaker 3: way to go forward with it. So anyway, I'm blessed
- 5:44Speaker 3: to be in this position, and to do two thousand
- 5:46Speaker 3: shows is humbling and I go, well, let's just let's
- 5:49Speaker 3: see how many more we can do. And I do
- 5:51Speaker 3: think I got eight thousand.
- 5:52Speaker 2: More in me.
- 5:52Speaker 3: So anyway, pretty cool that that happened today and that
- 5:56Speaker 3: this is where it landed. And I'll definitely be talking
- 5:59Speaker 3: about this more on on the other shows as well.
- 6:02Speaker 3: So first thing I want to talk about today, we
- 6:05Speaker 3: got some some Artemis follow up stuff, and I know
- 6:08Speaker 3: there's a there's a law right that says within what
- 6:11Speaker 3: six months of them getting back, they've got to release
- 6:14Speaker 3: everything we saw bits of things, we saw video, we
- 6:17Speaker 3: saw pictures, and there's a lot more things for them
- 6:22Speaker 3: to release there. They were kind of limited on I
- 6:25Speaker 3: guess bandwidth when it came to releasing photos and things,
- 6:28Speaker 3: just because you know, you don't you're not going to
- 6:30Speaker 3: send those things all in real time. We were very
- 6:33Speaker 3: blessed to get a lot of the Artemis mission in
- 6:36Speaker 3: real time, and so we're kind of in that early
- 6:40Speaker 3: phase of like information coming out, and it will be
- 6:43Speaker 3: coming out more obviously over the next five months, will
- 6:45Speaker 3: be getting a lot more I guess all of it
- 6:47Speaker 3: by then. But one of the things before we get
- 6:50Speaker 3: started into the science on a side of it, is
- 6:54Speaker 3: that we have something that did happen in real time
- 6:57Speaker 3: and I saw this and I thought, okay, we have
- 6:59Speaker 3: to talk about this moment, this absolute perfect moment in
- 7:06Speaker 3: time for one company in particular, and this to anyone
- 7:12Speaker 3: watching it, you might have had the same reaction that
- 7:16Speaker 3: I did when I saw it, or you might have
- 7:18Speaker 3: just had a you know what, it just happened and
- 7:20Speaker 3: no big deal, and maybe you noticed it but didn't
- 7:24Speaker 3: think much of it. But it has become a viral
- 7:28Speaker 3: thing because this absolute perfect moment in time.
- 7:33Speaker 4: As the crew.
- 7:36Speaker 3: Was being live streamed working aboard, you know, on the mission,
- 7:42Speaker 3: and their floats by a jar of nutella, and it
- 7:50Speaker 3: was like something out of a Michael Bay movie. If
- 7:53Speaker 3: you're not familiar, Michael Bay makes these movies. Lots of
- 7:56Speaker 3: explosions and doves and all these things happened, but he's
- 8:00Speaker 3: known for working in product placement so that, you know,
- 8:03Speaker 3: some of the movie can maybe get paid for. He
- 8:07Speaker 3: famously changed some of the cars in the Transformers movie
- 8:10Speaker 3: to make them more in line with a sponsorship that
- 8:13Speaker 3: was done by you know, the company that was on board.
- 8:16Speaker 3: So you take, you know, a Volkswagen Beetle and you
- 8:18Speaker 3: make it into a Camaro or whatever, and.
- 8:20Speaker 4: It's like this, it's not even the same guy, but
- 8:22Speaker 4: okay for.
- 8:23Speaker 3: The purposes of money. Or my personal favorite from those
- 8:27Speaker 3: movies was when he had a mountain dew drink machine
- 8:30Speaker 3: transform into a robot and I went, okay, this is ridiculous,
- 8:33Speaker 3: Like this is really really pushing it. But this is
- 8:38Speaker 3: what it felt like because we're watching them do their
- 8:41Speaker 3: work and then all of a sudden, this jar floats
- 8:43Speaker 3: by and it doesn't just float by, it floats by
- 8:47Speaker 3: and it spins and gives us a perfect look at
- 8:49Speaker 3: the label and just this branding moment that just happened
- 8:56Speaker 3: for this company.
- 8:57Speaker 2: So I'm looking at this video as you're describing it,
- 9:00Speaker 2: and the interesting thing is I can see all four astronauts, Yeah,
- 9:06Speaker 2: and none of them are paying attention to this jar.
- 9:09Speaker 3: So apparently somebody has been into this thing, and or
- 9:13Speaker 3: I would assume they've been into it if it's been
- 9:15Speaker 3: taken out of storage, and maybe it's just conveniently available.
- 9:21Speaker 2: Again, I'm looking at I'm looking at the images and
- 9:24Speaker 2: video of this. There are scrape marks on the inside.
- 9:28Speaker 4: Somebody's had a finger in there.
- 9:29Speaker 3: Nobody's hitting this nutella already, there has been a finger
- 9:33Speaker 3: in there, you know this.
- 9:36Speaker 2: I hope this doesn't lead to conspiracy theories that, you know,
- 9:40Speaker 2: a fifth party caused the nutella jar to fly by,
- 9:44Speaker 2: so therefore we're not really going to the moon. I
- 9:46Speaker 2: hope that's not. I hope it's just taken for what
- 9:48Speaker 2: it really is, which is, Hey, these folks just like nutella,
- 9:51Speaker 2: and they're it's so readily available that it's just drifting
- 9:54Speaker 2: around the cabin as they're working, so they can just
- 9:58Speaker 2: take that lid off and hit the nutella jar any
- 10:00Speaker 2: time they want.
- 10:01Speaker 3: Well, Nutella noticed, and they went to social media on
- 10:07Speaker 3: x back on April sixth, they posted honored to have
- 10:11Speaker 3: traveled further than any spread in history, taking spreading smiles
- 10:16Speaker 3: to new heights. Well done, way to seize the moment.
- 10:21Speaker 3: They also had another post the next day, Houston, we
- 10:27Speaker 3: have nutella in space. Then it says, tell us one
- 10:30Speaker 3: thing you'd bring into the cosmos for a chance to
- 10:32Speaker 3: have your name written on jars or on a custom
- 10:34Speaker 3: nutella jar, and it's got an image that they've created
- 10:37Speaker 3: where it's on board. And then another same day, shall
- 10:44Speaker 3: shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land
- 10:46Speaker 3: among the nutella jar.
- 10:52Speaker 2: Another one Mars ain't the kind of place to raise
- 10:55Speaker 2: your kids. In fact, there's no nutella. You gotta take
- 11:00Speaker 2: your own.
- 11:01Speaker 3: Apparently, here's a welcome back heroes. You went farther than
- 11:05Speaker 3: any humans in history. Thanks to you, we got to
- 11:07Speaker 3: come along for the ride. Congratulations on a journey the
- 11:10Speaker 3: world will never forget. Uh. And then there's a looks
- 11:15Speaker 3: like it's a you know, finger drawn outline of a
- 11:18Speaker 3: nutella jar on the surface of the moon, obviously done
- 11:21Speaker 3: with with CGI or AI. But it says, there are
- 11:25Speaker 3: moments that leave a mark. Thank you for all the love.
- 11:31Speaker 4: Well done, Nutella. Way to seize the moment.
- 11:34Speaker 3: I mean, that is what a fantastic just accident that
- 11:39Speaker 3: happen for them. And you know the fact that you
- 11:41Speaker 3: can see all four of them means that one of
- 11:44Speaker 3: them didn't just kind of spin it and let it
- 11:47Speaker 3: go so that it would fly by. It was genuinely
- 11:51Speaker 3: just flying around inside the ship.
- 11:53Speaker 4: So I'm glad we.
- 11:55Speaker 2: Could get rid of the brand recognition kickback stories. Maybe
- 11:59Speaker 2: maybe that because you can see all four, no one
- 12:02Speaker 2: spun it into view. It just was floating around.
- 12:05Speaker 3: Just that perfect moment for Nutella, and we like to
- 12:10Speaker 3: welcome them on board as a sponsor of mate It.
- 12:12Speaker 2: No they're not.
- 12:12Speaker 3: I'm just kidding if only Hey, does this count as
- 12:16Speaker 3: product placement?
- 12:17Speaker 2: I don't know what do you think?
- 12:19Speaker 3: So kudos to Nutella for this moment in time.
- 12:23Speaker 4: Way to pounce on it.
- 12:24Speaker 3: That's exactly what you're supposed to do when a moment
- 12:28Speaker 3: like that just gets handed to you.
- 12:29Speaker 4: It's just laid out for you.
- 12:31Speaker 3: You know, occasionally the table is set, you got to
- 12:34Speaker 3: sit down and eat, and that's what they did. So
- 12:38Speaker 3: delicious hazelnuts spread proud sponsor of Mate. Now they're on
- 12:43Speaker 3: maybe we should figure out how to make that happen though,
- 12:45Speaker 3: Let's see, so let's get into the science. I think
- 12:49Speaker 3: the standout thing for our first official story other than
- 12:54Speaker 3: the Nutella one, is this. We talked a little bit
- 12:58Speaker 3: in the last couple of shows about the fact that
- 13:02Speaker 3: there's an importance to sending people on these missions, and
- 13:06Speaker 3: people say, well, why do you send people? Why not
- 13:08Speaker 3: send robots? And first of all, you send robots out,
- 13:12Speaker 3: maybe they go into deep space, find another colony of
- 13:15Speaker 3: robots and they come back and kill us all. I mean,
- 13:17Speaker 3: that's one reason I wouldn't do it. But we talk
- 13:20Speaker 3: about the human side of it. That's the real reason.
- 13:22Speaker 3: You have people that have these stories and these experiences.
- 13:26Speaker 3: And then in the midst of like, one of the
- 13:27Speaker 3: first things we find out when they come back and
- 13:30Speaker 3: we've got all these new images and then people talking
- 13:33Speaker 3: about it is cameras can't pick up colors on the Moon,
- 13:37Speaker 3: but the human eye can. That's a reason to not
- 13:39Speaker 3: send robots.
- 13:41Speaker 2: So they it's not that cameras can't pick it up
- 13:45Speaker 2: the colors, but they don't. They're not as sensitive to
- 13:48Speaker 2: the colors.
- 13:49Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go.
- 13:50Speaker 2: So we have to remember in this moment that a
- 13:53Speaker 2: very limited number of people have even seen the backside
- 13:57Speaker 2: of the Moon. It's only been the Apollo cruise plus
- 14:00Speaker 2: now this Artemis two crew, and and that's a place
- 14:04Speaker 2: that you simply can't observe from the Earth. And remember,
- 14:07Speaker 2: there's no dark side of the Moon. I know, Pink Floyd,
- 14:09Speaker 2: I get it, But there's there is a far side
- 14:13Speaker 2: of the Moon. There's a far side of the Moon
- 14:15Speaker 2: that's never visible from the Earth. And now you have
- 14:19Speaker 2: a spacecraft that's going around the backside with cameras from
- 14:24Speaker 2: you know, the present eras technology, and they're pretty good cameras,
- 14:28Speaker 2: but they're not as good as the human eye. The
- 14:32Speaker 2: human eye can actually see more detail, and the human
- 14:35Speaker 2: eyes not just fixed on one position or location like
- 14:38Speaker 2: a camera would be. People can kind of look around
- 14:42Speaker 2: and they can kind of notice something and then pay
- 14:45Speaker 2: more attention to it. And so the human observer is
- 14:49Speaker 2: just in some cases a better instrument of observation than
- 14:53Speaker 2: these digital cameras. And so this story is really all
- 14:57Speaker 2: about what the Artemis two astronauts saw from a geological
- 15:02Speaker 2: standpoint on the back side of the Moon. The stories
- 15:05Speaker 2: from LiveScience dot com. There's a specialist by the name
- 15:09Speaker 2: of Gordon Ozinsky. Gordon Ozinsky is with the Canada's Western
- 15:14Speaker 2: University and he's a planetary geologist and a crater specialist
- 15:19Speaker 2: in particular. And so Gordon Ozinsky has kind of analyzed
- 15:23Speaker 2: all of the crew comments that were coming back in
- 15:26Speaker 2: real time from the Artemis two mission. He listened to
- 15:29Speaker 2: what they were saying about what they were seeing, and
- 15:32Speaker 2: there are two things that really stand out in terms
- 15:36Speaker 2: of they're just off the cuff immediate observations that were
- 15:39Speaker 2: just released on the public communication bands. The first thing
- 15:43Speaker 2: is Reid Weisman and Jeremy Hansen reported seeing five impact
- 15:49Speaker 2: flashes during their lunar fly by. Five impacts on the
- 15:55Speaker 2: back side of the Moon. Well, that's amazing, right, because
- 16:00Speaker 2: their vehicle just simply wasn't on the back side of
- 16:03Speaker 2: the Moon for that long, and so in that short
- 16:06Speaker 2: period of time they saw five new craters being formed
- 16:10Speaker 2: on the Moon. Now, these might not be very big craters,
- 16:13Speaker 2: but they're substantial, a substantial enough impact that the flash
- 16:19Speaker 2: was visible from the Artemis two vehicle that gives planetary
- 16:23Speaker 2: geologists a at least a snapshot into the instantaneous rate
- 16:29Speaker 2: at which rocks were coming in from space and hitting
- 16:32Speaker 2: the surface of the Moon. So that's kind of interesting.
- 16:34Speaker 2: Another thing is that the Artemis two crew reported seeing
- 16:39Speaker 2: colors on the Moon. Now, when we think of the Moon,
- 16:41Speaker 2: we think, well, it's kind of a gray white color.
- 16:44Speaker 2: It's actually really more gray than you realize. It looks
- 16:48Speaker 2: kind of white to us because we see it in
- 16:50Speaker 2: a nighttime sky lit up by the sun. You can
- 16:52Speaker 2: imagine putting a gray ball in the sky and hitting
- 16:55Speaker 2: it with a bright spotlight, it might look kind of
- 16:57Speaker 2: whitish in color. That's kind of what happening with the Moon.
- 17:00Speaker 2: It's a gray ball in space being hit by the sun,
- 17:03Speaker 2: so it looks, maybe to our eye on Earth a
- 17:05Speaker 2: bit more white than it really is. But here's the thing.
- 17:10Speaker 2: When the Artemis two astronauts were very close to the Moon,
- 17:14Speaker 2: they reported seeing green patches and brown patches, and those
- 17:21Speaker 2: are invoking part of the color spectrum that we don't
- 17:24Speaker 2: usually think about when we think about the surface of
- 17:27Speaker 2: the Moon. And what that tells geologists is, hey, those
- 17:32Speaker 2: colors that you're seeing, it's not due to some surface
- 17:37Speaker 2: growth like it could be on the Earth. You're not
- 17:39Speaker 2: talking about like a moss or a lichen or something
- 17:41Speaker 2: growing on a rock. These are actual geological compounds that
- 17:47Speaker 2: are causing that green or that brown appearance, and therefore
- 17:52Speaker 2: it's telling you something about the surface geology of the Moon.
- 17:55Speaker 2: So even from these comments from human beings going around
- 17:59Speaker 2: the backside of the geologists have learned more about both
- 18:03Speaker 2: the infall rate of meters and potentially the chemical composition
- 18:08Speaker 2: of various patches on the surface of the Moon. Why
- 18:11Speaker 2: is it important to send human beings, Well, listen to
- 18:14Speaker 2: last week's podcast. We talked about it a lot, but
- 18:17Speaker 2: this is one more reason, right, This is one more
- 18:20Speaker 2: because human beings who are trained in geology, they're just
- 18:24Speaker 2: gonna notice things that a camera just pointed at a
- 18:28Speaker 2: certain location wouldn't necessarily notice. The human experience is broader
- 18:33Speaker 2: than any kind of digital experience that we have. In
- 18:36Speaker 2: the year twenty twenty.
- 18:37Speaker 4: Six, more made of stars right after this.
- 18:59Speaker 3: A significant We talked about anniversaries at the beginning. This
- 19:02Speaker 3: is a pretty cool anniversary that we just had for
- 19:06Speaker 3: the Space Shuttle Columbia.
- 19:09Speaker 2: Let's remember friends that again in the mode of Artemis.
- 19:14Speaker 2: Let's remember that many of the components of the SLS
- 19:18Speaker 2: vehicle Space launch System vehicle that took the Orion capsule
- 19:21Speaker 2: to the Moon were basically old Shuttle parts. They have
- 19:25Speaker 2: a reconditioned Shuttle fuel tank which is the main core
- 19:29Speaker 2: stage body. They have solid rocket boosters that are reconditioned
- 19:34Speaker 2: Shuttle SRBs on the outside, and they have those RS
- 19:39Speaker 2: twenty five engines at the bottom of the SLS, which
- 19:41Speaker 2: are reconditioned old Space Shuttle engines. And so when we
- 19:46Speaker 2: think about Artemis, Artemis is was possible in part because
- 19:50Speaker 2: we had a thirty year very successful Space Shuttle program,
- 19:54Speaker 2: and so we really got used to that vehicle, used
- 19:58Speaker 2: to its components. We knew how they worked. And that's
- 20:01Speaker 2: one of the reasons why you can have a successful
- 20:04Speaker 2: Artemis mission with a rocket that seems very different than
- 20:07Speaker 2: Shuttle but actually has a legacy heritage built in Shuttle components.
- 20:12Speaker 2: And as Wes just said, this week, we celebrated both
- 20:15Speaker 2: the launch and touchdown of STS one, the very first
- 20:21Speaker 2: ever Shuttle flight which came back and land on April fifteenth,
- 20:26Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one. That was Space Shuttle Columbia, and so
- 20:31Speaker 2: that launch took place on April twelfth of nineteen eighty
- 20:35Speaker 2: one and concluded on April fifteenth, nineteen eighty one. And
- 20:39Speaker 2: so that was the very first shuttle flight. It had
- 20:42Speaker 2: only two astronauts aboard. John Young was the commander. That
- 20:47Speaker 2: guy went to Georgia Tech, by the way, just a
- 20:50Speaker 2: little bit of a local tie right there. John Young
- 20:53Speaker 2: a Georgia Tech guy. But he actually had five different
- 20:57Speaker 2: flights to space, and that included Gemini three, Gemini ten,
- 21:02Speaker 2: Apollo ten, and then John walked on the Moon during
- 21:05Speaker 2: Apollo sixteen. So then when they selected the first ever
- 21:10Speaker 2: commander of a Space Shuttle, they picked that space veteran.
- 21:13Speaker 2: So that was Space Shuttle flight was his fifth flight
- 21:16Speaker 2: to space. Then the pilot of that vehicle, Robert L. Crippen,
- 21:21Speaker 2: Bob Crippen, was that was his first flight to space.
- 21:24Speaker 2: So he was a straight up rookie right the first
- 21:26Speaker 2: time he ever had ever gone. Later, Crippen made this
- 21:30Speaker 2: comment looking back on STS one. He said, quote, one
- 21:33Speaker 2: of the things that the Shuttle really allowed us to
- 21:36Speaker 2: do is to fly a diverse group of people into space.
- 21:41Speaker 2: We didn't need just test pilots anymore. It opened the
- 21:44Speaker 2: field in the astronaut core and brought us a broader
- 21:48Speaker 2: range that we've ever had before. It allowed us to
- 21:50Speaker 2: fly an enormous amount of people in the space, much
- 21:54Speaker 2: more so than any of our previous vehicles unquote and friends.
- 21:58Speaker 2: That included three and fifty five astronauts from the US
- 22:03Speaker 2: and sixty different countries. So it's broader than just a
- 22:08Speaker 2: diversity within the US, it's a global diversity that actually
- 22:11Speaker 2: flew to space on Space Shuttle, and of course Space
- 22:14Speaker 2: Shuttle was NASA semi truck. It was the vehicle that
- 22:17Speaker 2: actually took heavy payloads to low Earth orbit and allowed
- 22:21Speaker 2: us to do things like place the Hubble Space Telescope
- 22:23Speaker 2: in orbit, place the Chander X ray observatory in orbit,
- 22:26Speaker 2: place the International Space Station and its components in orbit.
- 22:31Speaker 2: So that was a very successful program, and we mark
- 22:34Speaker 2: forty five years ago today from the very first Space
- 22:38Speaker 2: Shuttle flight.
- 22:39Speaker 3: We've been talking about all the fireballs and all the
- 22:43Speaker 3: things in space and how we got intoto the season
- 22:46Speaker 3: of the fireball, and now we got a little bit
- 22:50Speaker 3: more information about the March fireballs as we're now halfway
- 22:54Speaker 3: through April, but we're getting some more information about that,
- 22:58Speaker 3: and then also another story about the one over Texas.
- 23:03Speaker 3: So let's dive into some fireballs, so.
- 23:07Speaker 2: Really interesting stuff. And so, first of all, if you
- 23:10Speaker 2: haven't heard, within just a very short period of time,
- 23:15Speaker 2: there were two major fireball events over the continental United
- 23:19Speaker 2: States week apart. One of those was a seven ton
- 23:24Speaker 2: asteroid that exploded basically over Cleveland, Ohio that area with
- 23:31Speaker 2: an explosive force of two hundred and fifty tons, So
- 23:34Speaker 2: that'll get your attention. The second one was smaller, but
- 23:40Speaker 2: it happened over the third largest city in America, which
- 23:43Speaker 2: is Houston, Texas, And that event was a significant number
- 23:49Speaker 2: of tons of TNT, but not two hundred and fifty,
- 23:52Speaker 2: but it sprayed debris all over the city of Houston.
- 23:56Speaker 2: And what's interesting about both of those events, they took
- 23:59Speaker 2: place and what now seems to be a surge of
- 24:04Speaker 2: bright fireballs that occurred worldwide within the month of March
- 24:10Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, and really throughout the first quarter of
- 24:15Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, so January, February, and March all three
- 24:21Speaker 2: saw some interesting increases in the number of the brightest
- 24:25Speaker 2: kinds of fireballs. Now, shooting star. What's a shooting star.
- 24:29Speaker 2: It's a piece of debris from space that comes in
- 24:32Speaker 2: and hits the Earth's atmosphere. It superheats when it hits
- 24:35Speaker 2: the Earth's atmosphere at a very high rate of speed,
- 24:38Speaker 2: and it burns up generally in the upper atmosphere. And
- 24:41Speaker 2: you see a bright flash, you say, oh something, it
- 24:44Speaker 2: was a shooting star, something zipped across the sky. Well,
- 24:48Speaker 2: what those are, again, is our debris. We have over
- 24:51Speaker 2: one hundred tons of meteoritic debris that fall on the
- 24:54Speaker 2: Earth every day, but they don't usually come in in
- 24:58Speaker 2: big chunks. That's a tad more rare. So the American
- 25:02Speaker 2: meteor Society AMS has been looking at the reports of
- 25:09Speaker 2: bright the brightest fireballs and they saw this surge in
- 25:13Speaker 2: the data that occurred in the early part of twenty
- 25:16Speaker 2: twenty six and mostly in the month of March. And
- 25:19Speaker 2: what this is this is a kind of a selection
- 25:22Speaker 2: of all the mediators that are reported. These had persistent
- 25:28Speaker 2: streak in the sky that lasted for more than four seconds.
- 25:32Speaker 2: So that's not typically how a shooting star behaves. So
- 25:35Speaker 2: when one of those larger ones come in, we call
- 25:37Speaker 2: it a bowlide and it can leave a bright light
- 25:41Speaker 2: that glows in the sky that persists and you can
- 25:43Speaker 2: actually turn around and show your friend and go hey,
- 25:46Speaker 2: look over there, and they have enough reaction time they
- 25:48Speaker 2: can go, oh, yes, I still see the cloud of
- 25:51Speaker 2: smoke or the bright kind of glowing air column up there,
- 25:55Speaker 2: and you can actually share those experiences. Those are rare
- 25:57Speaker 2: shooting stars, right. The second selection effect was that they
- 26:02Speaker 2: looked at objects that created a sonic boom. So these
- 26:07Speaker 2: are objects big enough, moving fast enough that they created
- 26:11Speaker 2: a sonic boom, and people on the ground heard these
- 26:13Speaker 2: things and reported them. So they have criteria about the
- 26:19Speaker 2: number of people that report these objects. Obviously, the more
- 26:22Speaker 2: people that report it, the more the larger the event
- 26:27Speaker 2: likely was, right, And so obviously this can vary a
- 26:30Speaker 2: bit by where it's reported because of urban areas versus
- 26:33Speaker 2: non urban areas, that kind of thing. But so these
- 26:35Speaker 2: are some of the criteria that they decide what was
- 26:37Speaker 2: a large one. And so given that, okay, more than
- 26:41Speaker 2: fifty people reporting persistent air glow more than four seconds
- 26:46Speaker 2: and some kind of a sonic boom, there were thirty
- 26:49Speaker 2: three of those events in the month of March globally,
- 26:54Speaker 2: And you might say, okay, well, how many Normally usually
- 26:57Speaker 2: in single digits five to six, seven, not thirty three.
- 27:05Speaker 2: Thirty three is a major statistical anomaly for a one
- 27:09Speaker 2: month period of time. So there's a gentleman by the
- 27:13Speaker 2: name of Mike Hanky. And by the way, I pulled
- 27:15Speaker 2: this information on spaceweather dot com. There's a great story
- 27:18Speaker 2: the day we're recording this year on spaceweather dot com
- 27:21Speaker 2: on April sixteenth. You can look it up in their
- 27:23Speaker 2: archive if you hear the story later. But Mike Hanky
- 27:27Speaker 2: from the American Meter Society had this quote quote during
- 27:30Speaker 2: the month of March, reports of very bright fireballs to
- 27:33Speaker 2: the American Metior Society suddenly doubled. Many of them were
- 27:38Speaker 2: visible in broad daylight and created loud sonic booms unquote.
- 27:44Speaker 2: So this this included a daytime fireball over western Europe
- 27:48Speaker 2: that happened on March the eighth, and according to the
- 27:51Speaker 2: American Meter Society that had thirty two hundred witness reports,
- 27:55Speaker 2: that is a very large one. Now that was only
- 27:58Speaker 2: nine days before the seven ton asteroid exploded over Cleveland,
- 28:04Speaker 2: and then just another week until a fireball occurred over Houston.
- 28:09Speaker 2: And actually one of those fragments went through the roof
- 28:11Speaker 2: of a house. So all of this stuff is very interesting.
- 28:15Speaker 2: So again Mike Kankey from American Media Society goes on
- 28:20Speaker 2: to say this quote. The total number of fireballs people
- 28:23Speaker 2: saw was not dramatically unusual, but the fraction of big
- 28:27Speaker 2: fireballs really surged. And here's an interesting statistic. More than
- 28:34Speaker 2: eighty two percent of the forty events in the first
- 28:38Speaker 2: quarter of twenty twenty six produced sonic booms, indicating the
- 28:43Speaker 2: objects were penetrating much deeper into the atmosphere and they
- 28:47Speaker 2: were moving at speeds fast enough to produce these sonic booms.
- 28:51Speaker 2: So this is a really strange statistical anomaly. And now
- 28:57Speaker 2: the American Meteor Society is looking into, well, what were
- 29:02Speaker 2: the numbers like last year at this time, what have
- 29:04Speaker 2: they been over the last five years during this period
- 29:07Speaker 2: of March in the first quarter of the year, because
- 29:11Speaker 2: this could be a new meteor stream that the Earth
- 29:16Speaker 2: is running into for the first time. It runs into
- 29:18Speaker 2: that metter stream at the same time every year, so
- 29:22Speaker 2: this could be a new March phenomenon that the Earth
- 29:25Speaker 2: is going to be experiencing. So this is an ongoing investigation.
- 29:29Speaker 3: All right, let me ask a quick dumb question. Okay,
- 29:32Speaker 3: And this is one of those moments where I go
- 29:33Speaker 3: I feel like a dumb guy, but the curiosity in me.
- 29:36Speaker 4: It feels like I have to ask the question.
- 29:38Speaker 3: So when we talk about the size of these things
- 29:40Speaker 3: in the sonic boom, the smaller objects would also create
- 29:43Speaker 3: a sonic boom, right, They're just not going to be
- 29:45Speaker 3: heard from as far away because of their size, Is
- 29:48Speaker 3: that right?
- 29:49Speaker 2: Yeah? Certainly when a smaller object is it's moving fast
- 29:53Speaker 2: enough to make a sonic boom. What it doesn't have
- 29:56Speaker 2: is the amount of it doesn't produce the amount of
- 29:58Speaker 2: sound energy to propagate as far. So those sounds an
- 30:04Speaker 2: actual If you think about what a sound wave is,
- 30:07Speaker 2: it's air running into other air, and that air running
- 30:10Speaker 2: into other air moves through the atmosphere. Well, that energy
- 30:13Speaker 2: doesn't go forever. The friction within the atmosphere causes that
- 30:17Speaker 2: energy to be lost and it simply dies out. So
- 30:20Speaker 2: small sounds are lost in a pretty short span of distance,
- 30:25Speaker 2: whereas these larger booms, as you point out, has the
- 30:28Speaker 2: energy to propagate for a much longer distance, and therefore
- 30:32Speaker 2: you can hear them longer. Actually, I've actually heard what
- 30:35Speaker 2: I would consider a small meator, not a fireball like this,
- 30:38Speaker 2: but I've heard them crackle before, so you can't occasionally
- 30:41Speaker 2: hear the sounds from smaller shooting stars or smaller meteors
- 30:46Speaker 2: up in the sky that aren't like a chest rumbling
- 30:50Speaker 2: sonic boom. The ones we're talking about in this story
- 30:54Speaker 2: were more along the lines of the chest rumbling sonic booms, well.
- 30:56Speaker 3: Especially when it lands in your living room and comes
- 30:59Speaker 3: through the room and before and I want to talk
- 31:01Speaker 3: because we want to do a little bit more on
- 31:02Speaker 3: the Texas one, because there's more to that, but also
- 31:06Speaker 3: just kind of tying back to the five impacts that
- 31:08Speaker 3: they saw, you know, while they were on the back
- 31:11Speaker 3: side of the Moon, potentially like this is happening because
- 31:16Speaker 3: of an increased frequency in.
- 31:18Speaker 2: That that is certainly a question to ask, right if
- 31:22Speaker 2: the Earth is somehow being bombarded by a few extra
- 31:27Speaker 2: larger chunks of rock, could that be a similar influx
- 31:33Speaker 2: to what the astronauts were seeing when they were on
- 31:35Speaker 2: the back side of the moon. It's a very reasonable question.
- 31:38Speaker 3: So potentially if they did the Artemis mission a year ago,
- 31:41Speaker 3: they might not have had an opportunity to see five
- 31:43Speaker 3: impacts that way, because but I don't know, that's what
- 31:45Speaker 3: they're researching. They want to know how many happened, you know,
- 31:49Speaker 3: last year.
- 31:50Speaker 4: More made of stars. Right after this.
- 32:12Speaker 3: I want to talk about more about the one in
- 32:15Speaker 3: Texas because there's some more to discuss there.
- 32:19Speaker 2: Yeah. So Rice University is a very famous university in
- 32:23Speaker 2: the city of Texas, and ABC News thirteen, a news
- 32:27Speaker 2: station in the Houston area, is reporting that Rice University
- 32:32Speaker 2: is now dedicating a specified team of researchers to try
- 32:37Speaker 2: to gather as much information as they can about the
- 32:41Speaker 2: airbursts that took place over the city of Houston, because see,
- 32:44Speaker 2: because it fell in over a very populated area, there
- 32:47Speaker 2: are more people looking for fragments and actually finding fragments
- 32:53Speaker 2: of this meteorite that exploded over the city. So there
- 32:58Speaker 2: are a dedicated team now at Rice University that are
- 33:02Speaker 2: encouraging the public to share those samples with them so
- 33:06Speaker 2: that they can get a better analysis about what this
- 33:08Speaker 2: object was and that allows us to understand the surge better. Now.
- 33:13Speaker 2: They did that also in Cleveland to some degree, there
- 33:17Speaker 2: were samples that were recovered and analyzed. What they're finding
- 33:20Speaker 2: out about both of those events, and these are not
- 33:23Speaker 2: the typical kinds of meteorites that get found on the ground.
- 33:27Speaker 2: The typical kind of meteorite that's found on the ground
- 33:29Speaker 2: by someone. Doesn't look like a rock. It looks like
- 33:32Speaker 2: a piece of metal. And so those kind of iron
- 33:35Speaker 2: meteorites that tend to survive the trip through the atmosphere
- 33:38Speaker 2: and look different enough on the ground that people discover them,
- 33:41Speaker 2: they're usually the ones that get turned in. But these
- 33:44Speaker 2: two meteorites are these two events I should say that
- 33:46Speaker 2: took place over Cleveland and Houston. They're producing little fragments
- 33:50Speaker 2: of what are called chondridic meteorites, which means it's more stone,
- 33:56Speaker 2: it has these little spherals in it. The are chondric,
- 34:00Speaker 2: but it's also material that looks like it came from
- 34:03Speaker 2: a body out in the early part of the Solar
- 34:06Speaker 2: System that formed a planet and went through this process
- 34:11Speaker 2: called differentiation that means all the heavy stuff sunk to
- 34:14Speaker 2: the middle, all the lighter stuff got pushed to the
- 34:17Speaker 2: outer edge. And this material is kind of that lighter
- 34:20Speaker 2: stuff from the outer layers of a long dead protoplanet
- 34:26Speaker 2: that is more of an asteroid like Vesta, which is
- 34:29Speaker 2: a fragment from a previously formed world. So all of
- 34:32Speaker 2: this is very interesting. We're going to keep our eye
- 34:34Speaker 2: on this story because this is a clearly an unfolding
- 34:37Speaker 2: story in Space News, and so this is something that
- 34:41Speaker 2: we'll be watching as the mystery unfolds.
- 34:44Speaker 3: All Right, we have a story that does not involve
- 34:47Speaker 3: asteroids or impacts on the Moon or any of that stuff,
- 34:50Speaker 3: or even Nutella.
- 34:51Speaker 4: I don't think.
- 34:52Speaker 2: I don't know.
- 34:52Speaker 3: Maybe there's a way to tie Ntella into this. But
- 34:56Speaker 3: something moving faster than the speed of light? How is
- 35:00Speaker 3: that possible?
- 35:01Speaker 2: Yeah? So this is this is We spend a lot
- 35:04Speaker 2: of time on the show talking about looking up. This
- 35:06Speaker 2: is a story that looks down. And this is a
- 35:10Speaker 2: story that was discovered with electron microscopy rather than using
- 35:15Speaker 2: telescopes to observe the sky. So and so instead of
- 35:18Speaker 2: looking at very big things very far away, we're looking
- 35:21Speaker 2: at really tiny things that are very close by. Okay,
- 35:24Speaker 2: so this is a group of scientists that we're investigating
- 35:30Speaker 2: what they call a phonon polarotron wave. Phonon polarotron wave.
- 35:36Speaker 2: Now that might not mean anything to you by name,
- 35:40Speaker 2: but I can describe it to you. It is looking
- 35:43Speaker 2: at a material that has both photons, which are light particles,
- 35:48Speaker 2: but then also is producing little vibrations which are more
- 35:52Speaker 2: like a sonic wave a sound wave. So this is
- 35:55Speaker 2: kind of a combination between a light wave and a
- 35:58Speaker 2: sound wave. That wave is moving through material. When that
- 36:03Speaker 2: wave moves through the material, we can examine those ways
- 36:06Speaker 2: with an electron microscope. As it moves through it kind
- 36:10Speaker 2: of creates these little locations where there is a temporary
- 36:15Speaker 2: whirlpool or a vortex, or in other words, a location
- 36:20Speaker 2: in the material where there's really nothing. It's more like
- 36:24Speaker 2: a structure than it is a particle. But here comes
- 36:27Speaker 2: the weird part. This team from the Technotron Israel Institute
- 36:34Speaker 2: of Technology, they're the ones performing the experiment. They found
- 36:38Speaker 2: that these little whirlpools, these little vortices in their material
- 36:42Speaker 2: were actually traveling faster than the speed of light. And
- 36:48Speaker 2: the interesting thing is the vortex structures were being formed
- 36:52Speaker 2: in more than one location, and they tended to pull
- 36:56Speaker 2: toward each other, and when they pulled each other together,
- 36:59Speaker 2: those sies moved faster than the speed of light. Now
- 37:04Speaker 2: we know from general relativity that nothing is supposed to
- 37:07Speaker 2: travel faster than the speed of light. The speed of
- 37:09Speaker 2: light is the universe's speed limit, and this is where
- 37:14Speaker 2: we have to be very careful. So the interesting thing
- 37:17Speaker 2: is that these objects are nothing. They're not matter. In
- 37:23Speaker 2: other words, So when we say that nothing can move
- 37:27Speaker 2: faster than the speed of light, we mean no thing,
- 37:31Speaker 2: no thing, nothing with mass.
- 37:35Speaker 4: That's the technicality.
- 37:37Speaker 2: So if something has mass, or it contains information, or
- 37:42Speaker 2: it contains matter or energy, that object or structure cannot
- 37:47Speaker 2: move faster than the speed of light. But these little
- 37:51Speaker 2: empty whirlpools, these little singularities within this phonon polartron wave,
- 37:58Speaker 2: they actually contain none of those things. They don't contain information,
- 38:02Speaker 2: they don't contain matter, they don't contain energy. They're a void.
- 38:05Speaker 2: They're an empty piece. And what the researchers at the
- 38:11Speaker 2: Technion Israel Institute of Technology have found is that these voids,
- 38:15Speaker 2: these little whirlpools, these singularities, can actually exceed the speed
- 38:20Speaker 2: of light. And it does not violate the laws of
- 38:22Speaker 2: general relativity because it does not contain information, matter or energy.
- 38:27Speaker 3: Because nothing can go faster than the speed of light.
- 38:29Speaker 4: They just proved it again.
- 38:31Speaker 2: Nothing can, nothing in a positive sense, can actually go
- 38:36Speaker 2: faster than the speed of light.
- 38:37Speaker 3: Oh, I love it. I just love the semantics twist
- 38:41Speaker 3: in it right. It's just you don't see it coming.
- 38:42Speaker 3: You go, wait a minute, how is this possible? Because
- 38:45Speaker 3: it's nothing.
- 38:47Speaker 2: That's why a researcher by the name of Edo Kaminer
- 38:51Speaker 2: from the Technion Israel Institute of Technology had this quote quote.
- 38:55Speaker 2: We believe these innovative microscopy techniques will enable the study
- 38:59Speaker 2: of and processes in physics, chemistry, and biology, revealing for
- 39:03Speaker 2: the first time how nature behaves in its fastest and
- 39:07Speaker 2: most elusive moments. So there we go. We've developed new
- 39:11Speaker 2: technologies that allow us to examine material in a new way,
- 39:15Speaker 2: and here we found something new, a structure in the
- 39:19Speaker 2: universe that travels faster than the speed of light without
- 39:23Speaker 2: actually breaking the laws of general relativity. There you go, friends,
- 39:26Speaker 2: that's why you listen to this podcast so you find
- 39:29Speaker 2: out about things like this. Check out LiveScience dot com
- 39:32Speaker 2: if you want to know more about that story.
- 39:34Speaker 4: More made of Stars. Right after this.
- 39:56Speaker 3: You guys, have a next month, first Tuesday of May,
- 40:02Speaker 3: the final music under the Dome for this school year.
- 40:08Speaker 3: Because that's the way it works, that's the way the
- 40:09Speaker 3: calendar breaks down for it.
- 40:11Speaker 4: And this is the one.
- 40:13Speaker 3: That I often forget about, and I shouldn't forget about
- 40:15Speaker 3: it because it's a I mean, they're all great, but
- 40:18Speaker 3: this is an extra cool one, because this one's the
- 40:21Speaker 3: one where you have the show being created while the
- 40:25Speaker 3: music's being played.
- 40:26Speaker 2: Yes, it is actually real time graphics creation on our
- 40:31Speaker 2: planetarium dome that's being generated by the music being played. Now,
- 40:38Speaker 2: if you want to know how all of that works,
- 40:41Speaker 2: you should really come to Music under the Dome. It
- 40:43Speaker 2: is on May the fifth, Tuesday. We're going to be
- 40:46Speaker 2: featuring Dan Tepfer. Dan Tepfer is one of the world's
- 40:49Speaker 2: leading experts in interfacing musical instruments with large format theater
- 40:55Speaker 2: projection systems and creating original graphics that are being generated
- 41:00Speaker 2: in real time. So that is what's going to be
- 41:02Speaker 2: taking place. Typically, our Music under the Dome concerts featured
- 41:07Speaker 2: the performances of the Shob School of Music faculty and students. Well,
- 41:11Speaker 2: this time that'll be no exception. Even though Dan Teffer,
- 41:15Speaker 2: who's a New York City artist, is coming to visit us.
- 41:18Speaker 2: He will be joined on stage by faculty and students
- 41:22Speaker 2: from the Shop School of Music who will be joining
- 41:24Speaker 2: him to play instruments and engage in this site and
- 41:28Speaker 2: sound extravaganza being generated in real time, being visually being
- 41:36Speaker 2: visually produced on the dome by the actual music itself.
- 41:42Speaker 2: And again I'm reaching the limit of my personal words
- 41:45Speaker 2: to be able to describe this as you can probably see,
- 41:48Speaker 2: but I just want you to know that you can
- 41:50Speaker 2: come down and actually experience that event by buying tickets
- 41:54Speaker 2: for that concerts. Tickets are still available for the May
- 41:56Speaker 2: fifth show, at least at the time of the recording
- 41:58Speaker 2: of this show. Jump in buy your tickets. Come see
- 42:02Speaker 2: Dan Tepfer and the Schwob School of Music faculty performing
- 42:06Speaker 2: Music out of the Dome May the fifth at the
- 42:09Speaker 2: Coca Cola Space Science Center in Columbus, Georgia.
- 42:12Speaker 3: Sean and I thank you for listening, and we will
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