The Messiness of Meaning | Satyan Devadoss & Stuart Firestein

The Veritas Forum · Mar 19, 2026 · 36m

Meaning can be straightforward — a red octagon means “Stop!”, a hand wave with a smile means “Hello,” or adding two and two equals four.

But meaning is often more complicated — a friend saying they’ll eat “whatever” for dinner or a significant other texting, “We need to talk.”

In this episode, our speakers invite you into the messiness of meaning — and discuss how best we can search for it.

You’ll hear a conversation between mathematician Satyan Devadoss (U San Diego) and biologist Stuart Firestein (Columbia). Satyan and Stuart bring their scientific backgrounds and religious perspectives as…