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Sharri | 1 April · Sharri

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Speaker 1: This is Shari.
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Speaker 2: We're going to Shari stea price looking after things for
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Speaker 2: a couple of nights on what is shaping up is
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Speaker 2: probably the most important twenty four hours since the US
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Speaker 2: and Israel decided to strike Iran and to once and
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Speaker 2: for all deny that terrorist regime the ability to construct
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Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon and unleash unspeakable destruction across the Middle
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Speaker 2: East and beyond. At the top of the last hour,
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Speaker 2: in an event not seen since the bad old days
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Speaker 2: of the COVID pandemic, we heard from our own Prime Minister,
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Speaker 2: Anthony Alberanisi in an address, a three minute address to
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Speaker 2: the nation. The guts of what he had to say
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Speaker 2: was have a good easter and catch trains and buses. Underwhelming,
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Speaker 2: you bet have a.
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Speaker 3: Look and overcoming weeks, if you can switch to catching
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Speaker 3: the train or bus or tram to work, do so.
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Speaker 3: That builds our reserves and it saves fuel for people
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Speaker 3: who have no choice but to drive, farmers and miners
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Speaker 3: and tradees who need diesel every single day.
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Speaker 2: Seriously, you shake your head. Since lunchtime today, Australians have
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Speaker 2: been waiting for an update. What they got was a
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Speaker 2: bunch of useless words. It seems aimed at the polling
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Speaker 2: numbers and the mirage of how everything is okay when
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Speaker 2: it comes to fuel. The pre recorded speech ignored completely
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Speaker 2: the fact that Western Australia has now gone into a
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Speaker 2: state of emergency. We didn't get even we might have
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Speaker 2: a later date, have to consider petro rationing, and amazingly,
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Speaker 2: aside from the reference to the Middle East war and
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Speaker 2: its effect on fuel prices, Prime Minister Albanize he didn't
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Speaker 2: even talk about the war. What a damp squib And
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Speaker 2: all these politicians now head off guess what on a
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Speaker 2: five week break. I'm serious, five weeks Okay, on that
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Speaker 2: non speech. First up tonight, one of Nations, Barnaby Joyce
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Speaker 2: on what he saw at the top of the last hour.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure he won't be complementary. And what Barnaby is
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Speaker 2: hearing from the regions around diesel fuel and importantly stockpiles
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Speaker 2: of fertilizer. As I mentioned Roger Cook in wa puts
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Speaker 2: his state into a state of emergency. Also on the
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Speaker 2: conflict itself in the Middle East, of what happens next,
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Speaker 2: plus reaction to both Donald Trump and Marco Rubio's criticism
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Speaker 2: of the NATO Alliance will catch up with Michael Schubridge
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Speaker 2: and Shari regular Kosher Garda as the world braces itself
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Speaker 2: for a midday our time tomorrow live here on Sky
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Speaker 2: an appearance in the Oval Office by Donald Trump and
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Speaker 2: with more on the fuel and fertilizer crisis that is
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Speaker 2: hitting regional Australia hardest. The nationals. Kevin Hogan will join
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Speaker 2: us on Shari first, and as I said, President Trump
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Speaker 2: will address the US and the world at midday tomorrow
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Speaker 2: our time, probably, you would think from the Oval Office,
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Speaker 2: and it's anyone's guess what comes next, which is problematic
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Speaker 2: for our own Prime Minister because he's now scheduled to
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Speaker 2: address the National Press Club in Canberra tomorrow with the
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Speaker 2: annual pre budget speech. Now you'd hope it would be
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Speaker 2: better than that little effort an hour ago. You'd think
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Speaker 2: that event the Press Club speech might be delayed fifteen
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Speaker 2: to thirty minutes to allow the Prime Minister to get
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Speaker 2: his head around the President's Oval Office address. And it
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Speaker 2: was there today that the President, again in answer to
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Speaker 2: report his questions he gives press conferences all the time,
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Speaker 2: made it clear he did not see the job of
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Speaker 2: policing the straits of Humus, through which twenty percent of
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Speaker 2: the world's oil flows daily, was the responsibility of him
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Speaker 2: or the US.
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Speaker 4: If France or some other country wants to get oil
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Speaker 4: or gas, they'll go up through the street and Hormos Street.
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Speaker 4: They'll go right up there and they'll be able to
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Speaker 4: fend for themselves. I think it'll be very safe, actually,
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Speaker 4: But we have nothing to do with that. What happens
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Speaker 4: with the street, we're not going to have anything to
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Speaker 4: do with because these countries, China, China will go up
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Speaker 4: and they'll fuel up their beautiful ships and they'll leave
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Speaker 4: and they'll take care of themselves.
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Speaker 2: There's no reason for us to do it now. Clearly
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Speaker 2: the US and the White House are filthy that NATO
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Speaker 2: allies like the UK, France and now Italy are simply
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Speaker 2: not pulling their weight. I mean something that should immediately
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Speaker 2: rattle Defense in camera and our government to the core.
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Speaker 2: I mean it's a Trump run America can start threatening
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Speaker 2: to abandon NATO. Not said in so many words, of course,
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Speaker 2: but clearly hinted at. Then what chance do we have
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Speaker 2: of the United States coming to aid us in the
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Speaker 2: event of, say, an aggressive China. The Secretary of State
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Speaker 2: Rubio who I think is a polished and sensible member
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Speaker 2: of the Trump team. He joined Sean Hannity on Fox
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Speaker 2: News today making it very clear the US doesn't really
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Speaker 2: trade that much through those straits.
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Speaker 5: The United States gets very little energy through the streets
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Speaker 5: of hormones. Our allies ship out a lot of oil
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Speaker 5: through there, meaning our golf allies and certainly countries in
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Speaker 5: Asia and Europe depend on it.
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Speaker 1: We depend very little on the streets.
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Speaker 5: So this, even factor Ryan decides to set up a toll,
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Speaker 5: even factor Ryan decides that they're going to do illegally
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Speaker 5: controlled the straits of Hormuzo decide they're.
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Speaker 1: Going to try to do that.
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Speaker 5: Look, I imagine that'll be the President's call whether he wants
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Speaker 5: to help.
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Speaker 1: But this is a problem for the world.
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Speaker 5: It's countries around the world should be stepping up and
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Speaker 5: dealing with that and saying that's.
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Speaker 1: Intolerable, and that's what we encourage them to do.
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Speaker 2: He's impressive now light of Ruby, I was making it
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Speaker 2: clear he agrees with the President about the lack of
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Speaker 2: will coming from their NITO allies.
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Speaker 5: But I do think, unfortunately, we are going to have
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Speaker 5: to re examine whether or not this alliance that has
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Speaker 5: served this country well for a while, is still serving
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Speaker 5: that purpose or has it now become a one way
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Speaker 5: street where America is simply in a position to defend Europe.
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Speaker 5: But when we need the help of our allies, they're
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Speaker 5: going to deny us basing rights and they're going to
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Speaker 5: deny us overflight. I think these are very legitimate questions
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Speaker 5: that we need to be asking, and this are going
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Speaker 5: to have to be very carefully examined after this conflict
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Speaker 5: is over.
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Speaker 2: He wasn't happy, and neither was the Secretary for War,
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Speaker 2: Pete Hikesith. He's also less than impressed with the traditional
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Speaker 2: European allies, and he's letting them know it.
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Speaker 6: As far as Neto is concerned, that's a decision that'll
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Speaker 6: be left to the President. But I'll just see a
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Speaker 6: lot has been lead bare, a lot has been shown
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Speaker 6: to the world about what our allies would be willing
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Speaker 6: to do for the United States of America when we
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Speaker 6: undertake an effort of this scope on behalf of the
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Speaker 6: free world.
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Speaker 1: You don't have much.
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Speaker 6: Of an alliance if you have countries that are not
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Speaker 6: willing to stand with you when you need them. He's
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Speaker 6: simply pointing that out and ultimately it'll be his decision
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Speaker 6: of what that looks like.
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Speaker 2: I'll have reaction on those sentiments to come on the program.
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Speaker 2: But what all of this has done is reveal the
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Speaker 2: lazy incompetence of the Australian federal governments of both political colors,
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Speaker 2: who just sat back in their cozy officers running around
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Speaker 2: Australia in their government cars and flying at taxpayers expense,
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Speaker 2: ignoring how vulnerable we were to what has happened in
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Speaker 2: the past two weeks. Those elected MPs just eluded themselves
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Speaker 2: that the Americans would come rushing across the horizon and
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Speaker 2: bail us out. The Prime Minister seems to still be
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Speaker 2: operating in some sort of vacuum, some parallel universe, kidding
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Speaker 2: himself that nothing has changed here. He was at the
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Speaker 2: start of question time today.
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Speaker 7: Yesterday the Prime Minister told ABC Melbourne, I quote, fuel
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Speaker 7: supplies have not been disrupted. Tonight the Prime Minister will
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Speaker 7: deliver an emergency address to the nation. Prime Minister, what
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Speaker 7: has changed since yesterday?
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Speaker 3: Nothing has changed since yesterday. Neither this government's resolve to
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Speaker 3: deal with issues of supply and cost of living, or
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Speaker 3: the oppositions are approach to these issues our leader.
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Speaker 2: I mean really, now you get a sense that what
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Speaker 2: will be said and what will happen at midday Australia
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Speaker 2: and Eastern Standard time tomorrow in the White House might
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Speaker 2: just be the most important fifteen or twenty minutes or
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Speaker 2: knowing Donald Trump, it could be an hour that we
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Speaker 2: have heard for a very long time. Now again as
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Speaker 2: the PM Albanese, he's gone to the nation, effectively lowering
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Speaker 2: expectations tonight, warning Australians that the months ahead will be hard.
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Speaker 2: I mean seriously, even as he announced a temporary fuel
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Speaker 2: exise cut and support for truckies, the core message was
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Speaker 2: you need to brace for pain. Joining me now one nation.
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Speaker 2: MP Barnaby Joyce, well here you go, free kick. What
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Speaker 2: did you make of our so called address to the nation.
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Speaker 8: I got a sense of a preliude to where we're
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Speaker 8: off to.
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Speaker 9: We're off to rationing. So if we're off to rationing,
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Speaker 9: let's arrive there now. You know people think that things
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Speaker 9: might get worse, Well think stuck a feather in the ground,
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Speaker 9: thought that grow chalk. If that's where you believe it
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Speaker 9: may end up, will you get there?
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Speaker 8: Now?
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Speaker 9: We have to understand that for a lot of people.
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Speaker 9: They are fearful. You have to understand for people who
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Speaker 9: are poor in regional areas, seventy kilometers to the grocery shop,
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Speaker 9: seventy kilometers back one hundred and forty kilometers. They can't
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Speaker 9: afford the groceries. Now they can't afford the fuel. See
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Speaker 9: it through their eyes. They don't want screeching cockatoos in
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Speaker 9: question time. They want to hear solutions. We don't need
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Speaker 9: a war cabinet. We certainly need a crisis committee. This
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Speaker 9: is a serious problem for Australia, a very serious I've
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Speaker 9: said that from the start. It's a very serious problem
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Speaker 9: for Australia. We've, in one nation, tried to do our
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Speaker 9: bit in making sure we were part of the legislation
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Speaker 9: that underwrites the risk to try and get more fuel
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Speaker 9: into Australia. You know who's responsible for this, The Labor Party,
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Speaker 9: the Liberal Party, the National Party. Me for being cowardly
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Speaker 9: enough to agree with climate change policy.
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Speaker 8: That was absolutely absurd.
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Speaker 9: We should be having that epiphany right now to remove
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Speaker 9: ourselves from climate change policy. Do you realize that refineries
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Speaker 9: are still covered by the safeguard mechanism. I haven't heard
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Speaker 9: anybody say, well, we've said it remove refineries.
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Speaker 8: From the safeguard mechanism.
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Speaker 9: The safeguard mechanism is actually there to put refineries in
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Speaker 9: Australia out of business. You realize that, don't you. You
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Speaker 9: must realize that. Let's hear people have that epiphany and
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Speaker 9: say refineries will no longer be in the safeguard mechanism.
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Speaker 9: In fact, we'll just get rid of the safeguard mechanism.
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Speaker 9: You know, And you know the scariest thing about this,
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Speaker 9: this is a dry run for the Taiwan crisis.
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Speaker 8: Get ready for that.
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Speaker 9: Then not only will there be no product coming in,
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Speaker 9: there'll be no product going out. How you reckon a
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Speaker 9: dollar's going to go? Then I really am concerned about
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Speaker 9: where we are.
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Speaker 2: What do you think the purpose of what the three
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Speaker 2: minutes the Prime Minister did tonight actually was. Look, I
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Speaker 2: know you had constructive discussions with him at the weekend
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Speaker 2: about this underwriting of imports and you have given him
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Speaker 2: praise for actioning that and not turning his back on
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Speaker 2: it because it was a one nation idea. But tonight
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Speaker 2: achieve nothing. I mean, he gave all Australians today, the
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Speaker 2: media in particular, a sense of you know, there was
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Speaker 2: going to be some grand solution to what was going on,
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Speaker 2: or at least we were going to try and do something,
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Speaker 2: but nothing came.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, you're right, okay, but the coalition has got most
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Speaker 9: of the questions and question times. Go to the dispatch
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Speaker 9: box with ideas, Go to the dispatch box.
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Speaker 8: With alternate policies.
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Speaker 9: Come up with ideas and challenge the government and say
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Speaker 9: I've got an idea, this will work, and show to
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Speaker 9: your constituency that you are not just a screeching cockatoo
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Speaker 9: in question time, that you have an alternate idea.
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Speaker 8: I think there's a lot of room for that, and
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Speaker 8: there's a lot of room for that.
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Speaker 9: There's a lot of savings that can be made by
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Speaker 9: jettising in the Climate Change Department and moving towards that
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Speaker 9: investment back into oil refineries, back into exploration for oil,
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Speaker 9: back into actually rebuilding a hell coopipouistations. Because this is
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Speaker 9: an energy debate, it's more than just a petrol debate.
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Speaker 9: And you know, we've got to get those alternatives. We've
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Speaker 9: got to see the Liberal Party in the National Party
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Speaker 9: on the balls of their toes with real alternatives. This
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Speaker 9: is a time where the nation, they are worried, and
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Speaker 9: they're rightly worried. And I know that the Prime Minister
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Speaker 9: in that speech, I mean, I don't know what to
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Speaker 9: take away from that that he wants us not to
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Speaker 9: be concerned.
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Speaker 8: Well, we are concerned. Of course, we're concerned.
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Speaker 9: We're concerned because there are so many towns without fuel.
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Speaker 2: Well, so on that. What are you hearing? I mean,
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Speaker 2: you've got your ead of the ground in Regional Australia.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about let's talk about fertilizer for a start.
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Speaker 2: How much how big a problem is that?
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Speaker 8: Well, the people have got to I've got Regional Australia
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Speaker 8: in my office. I'll tell you what. They've been there
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Speaker 8: all day. They've been at my desk.
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Speaker 9: I've got people, I've got independent fuel distributors are actually
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Speaker 9: saying I can't get product. I've been working with Minister Bowen,
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Speaker 9: with Jim Charmers out the afternoon trying to make sure
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Speaker 9: we can secure supply for these people, because if they
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Speaker 9: don't get supply, then the small fuel stations don't get supply,
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Speaker 9: which means my people don't have fuel to go and
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Speaker 9: do their grocery shopping. I'm worried about that and that
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Speaker 9: because that is their dignity, that is their life, and
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Speaker 9: I have to do something positive to try and bring
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Speaker 9: that about. Now you know what we're what we're hearing
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Speaker 9: out in regional Australia is okay, So your viewers understand
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Speaker 9: we need a product called urea to make crops grow.
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Speaker 9: Australian soil is deficient on so many things. If we
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Speaker 9: don't have you rear, we can't grow a crop. And
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Speaker 9: if we can't grow a crop, it means you don't
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Speaker 9: have grain to finish off your cattle so you can
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Speaker 9: eat beef, so you can get vegetables, so you can
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Speaker 9: get colieflowers, cabbages, zuchinis, whatever you like. And if we
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Speaker 9: can't get that product and have the diesel diesel is
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Speaker 9: a fuel stock. Diesel is it. If we don't have
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Speaker 9: that fuel stock, we can't produce the food for you
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Speaker 9: to eat.
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Speaker 8: And that is a huge, huge problem.
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Speaker 9: And I asked this question of the Agricultural Minister and
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Speaker 9: I didn't get an answer. I've got a fairy floss response,
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Speaker 9: just awful of sugar, awful of sweetness, and no addressing
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Speaker 9: the fact. Do have you got a game plan for
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Speaker 9: a few food crisis? Are you absolutely certain that we
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Speaker 9: can get groceries to the supermarket for the people of
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Speaker 9: Sydney and Melbourne who we loved early.
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Speaker 8: That's our job in the country to feed you that
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Speaker 8: you will get food.
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Speaker 9: Because at this point in time, we're making these decisions
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Speaker 9: like even me, I'm in the cattle game, so I
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Speaker 9: got to make a decision like, okay, how much is
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Speaker 9: it going to cost me to move those cattle to
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Speaker 9: the market?
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Speaker 8: How much?
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Speaker 9: What wears my p and l on this? And am
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Speaker 9: I banking a winner a banking a loss? And we're
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Speaker 9: at the small end for a big For the grain producers,
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Speaker 9: they're saying, what's my price of fuel to get this
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Speaker 9: crop in? What's my price of fuel? Incrrept expenses? And
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Speaker 9: have you got the fuel so I can strip it
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Speaker 9: at the end, because if I can't take it off,
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Speaker 9: does I'm about to make an old big hit.
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Speaker 2: Doesn't seem to me anyone in government understands any of that. Barnaby,
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Speaker 2: thank you for sticking around for us. Appreciate it very much.
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Speaker 2: I should point out by the way that Barnaby's still
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Speaker 2: there in Canberra, but the rest of his colleagues are
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Speaker 2: all off on a five week break now. So they
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Speaker 2: all fled Canberra today and there's no sitting in Parliament tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: You would think in the middle of a fuel crisis
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Speaker 2: we might get a few politicians to stick around and
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Speaker 2: address the problems of the country. Let's bring in our sky.
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Speaker 2: On News contributors tonight, Joe Hildebrand and Kosher Gata, get
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Speaker 2: some more reaction from you both on the PM's address
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Speaker 2: to the nation. But first, and more importantly, Joe, we've
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Speaker 2: played some of what the Secretary of State Rubio and
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Speaker 2: War Secretary Pete Hesker said today about NATO. How does
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Speaker 2: that make our alliance and how much we can rely
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Speaker 2: on the Americans. Look, when they're talking like that about NATO.
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Speaker 10: I think, and I certainly hope, that what we are
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Speaker 10: seeing is in fact classic Trump brinksmanship. So this is
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Speaker 10: Trump doing you know what we've all done in the
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Speaker 10: middle of a haggle, which is the walk away, say right, okay,
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Speaker 10: if you won't meet me where I want to be,
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Speaker 10: I'm out of here. And you've got to be prepared
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Speaker 10: to do that or at least very much look like
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Speaker 10: you're doing it. And so Trump has basically said, well, look,
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Speaker 10: I started this thing. I bombed a run into the ground.
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Speaker 10: They've shut the straight of her moors. But if you're
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Speaker 10: not going to help me keep it open, I'll end
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Speaker 10: the war tomorrow and it can just stay shut because
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Speaker 10: we don't need what's coming out of it. And already
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Speaker 10: you've seen, within pretty much a day of it being
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Speaker 10: leaked to the Wall Street Journal that that is what
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Speaker 10: Trump was telling his aids. We saw the United Arab
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Speaker 10: Emirates come out and say, who no, we'll do it.
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Speaker 10: We're coming in. We're coming in. We'll do it too,
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Speaker 10: as long as you don't shut the straight. And presumably
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Speaker 10: if people think that America is not going to clean
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Speaker 10: up its own mess and everybody's mess for them, then
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Speaker 10: they will suddenly flip and they will come rushing to
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Speaker 10: the standard, which is what Trump wants, and hopefully that
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Speaker 10: is his long game, because if he is just seriously
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Speaker 10: planning to drop this giant sort of rock in a
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Speaker 10: puddle and then just walk away when everyone gets where,
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Speaker 10: that would leave the world in a far worse position
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Speaker 10: than before this war started.
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Speaker 2: Kosher, I'm going to ask you something probably no one
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Speaker 2: in the world except Donald Trump can answer, But what's
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Speaker 2: your gut feel about what the president will be actually
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Speaker 2: saying tomorrow. I mean, his constant media updates, it seems,
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Speaker 2: are aimed at at his enemies and allies in the
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Speaker 2: Middle East. How's this going to play out. He's going
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Speaker 2: to address the American people, so he's got to have
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Speaker 2: presumably he's not going to start talking about ballrooms at
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Speaker 2: the White House again. This will be a very serious speech.
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Speaker 2: I'd imagine.
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Speaker 11: Yes, lucky me, Steve, I've got to get inside Trump's
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Speaker 11: brand and try to predict what he might be seeing. Look,
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Speaker 11: he is aware of the situation that he's in, which
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Speaker 11: is this war remains and has always been extremely unpopular
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Speaker 11: with seventy percent of the American electorate, and we're just
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Speaker 11: a few months away from the midterms. He is acutely
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Speaker 11: aware of that fact. He's also obviously done something that
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Speaker 11: has completely shocked energy markets and global supply chains and
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Speaker 11: everything that we've been talking about. So he's going to
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Speaker 11: try to balance both of those things. I think he
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Speaker 11: has to speak to multiple audiences at once, which is
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Speaker 11: always something that's difficult to do and what US presidents
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Speaker 11: are always doing at any point in time. So he's
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Speaker 11: going to try to soothe the nerves of the electorate
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Speaker 11: that does not want quagmire, doesn't want to see boots
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Speaker 11: on the ground. They're very nervous at the fact that
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Speaker 11: marines are being deployed there. What does that mean? Coupled
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Speaker 11: with saying, well, you know, we've come this far where
18:37
Speaker 11: we're not going to just abandon this mess now, and
18:39
Speaker 11: we're going to finish the job, even though the job
18:41
Speaker 11: has never been perfectly defined. So I think we're going
18:43
Speaker 11: to see a little bit of sort of classic Trump,
18:46
Speaker 11: giving different bits to different pieces of the audiences and
18:50
Speaker 11: leaving a little bit of that element of surprise and
18:52
Speaker 11: unpredictability that he is known for because he does not
18:54
Speaker 11: like to completely put his playbook on the table. And
18:58
Speaker 11: I think, unfortunately, we are still going to be d
19:00
Speaker 11: by D as the sin falls.
19:03
Speaker 2: Joe, We'll get to the Prime Minister's three minutes at
19:06
Speaker 2: seven o'clock to night Eastern Standard time in a moment
19:09
Speaker 2: which was very underwhelming, but you'd think his office would
19:12
Speaker 2: have organized things a bit better. For a start, you know,
19:15
Speaker 2: we found out that Donald Trump was going to speak
19:17
Speaker 2: at midday tomorrow. Why would the Prime Minister go out
19:19
Speaker 2: at seven o'clock tonight and why would he be bothering
19:23
Speaker 2: going down to the National Press Club tomorrow unless he's
19:26
Speaker 2: going to sort of sprouk the budget, I mean, the
19:28
Speaker 2: timing out of his office on what the PM should
19:32
Speaker 2: be saying and to whom seems to be all out
19:34
Speaker 2: of whack to me.
19:36
Speaker 10: Yeah, Look, it's an interesting one.
19:37
Speaker 8: I mean, I for one, am glad.
19:38
Speaker 10: I'm very much of the opinion that no news is
19:40
Speaker 10: good news, and there was certainly not much news in
19:42
Speaker 10: what the PM had to say. I think it was.
19:45
Speaker 10: And this is very in keeping with his character that
19:48
Speaker 10: he was just trying to reassure people. He was trying
19:51
Speaker 10: to calm people down at least there isn't well, I
19:55
Speaker 10: suppose there was speculation that, you know, fuel rationing was
19:57
Speaker 10: just around the corner. That's I've been raging obviously for
20:01
Speaker 10: some days, and especially today there was another report, and
20:04
Speaker 10: I think he just wanted to kind of calm everyone
20:06
Speaker 10: down about that. I mean, I was speaking to a
20:08
Speaker 10: friend of mine just on the way in tonight whose
20:11
Speaker 10: parents are driving around with a Jerry can full of
20:14
Speaker 10: petrol in the back of their car. That obviously is
20:17
Speaker 10: not helpful in the middle of a fuel crisis. Having
20:19
Speaker 10: a whole bunch of petrol that you might not even
20:21
Speaker 10: need to use and for what purpose anyway, are dangerous
20:24
Speaker 10: and it's just dangerous as silly. And that's an example
20:27
Speaker 10: I think of the sort of panic behavior that we
20:31
Speaker 10: don't want to see. And I think the PM is
20:33
Speaker 10: just trying to throw a blanket of calm across the
20:35
Speaker 10: whole situation and make sure everyone has a happy Easter
20:38
Speaker 10: and doesn't start stressing out and hunkering down, which would
20:41
Speaker 10: be even worse for the economy and worse for the regions.
20:44
Speaker 10: And I don't mind that. I don't have a problem
20:46
Speaker 10: with that. Better that than running around like chicken little
20:48
Speaker 10: saying it's the sky's going to fall in.
20:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, but you've got the West Australian Premier
20:53
Speaker 2: Roger Cookie's now called a state of a fuel emergency
20:56
Speaker 2: in wa Koshit. I mean, the PM's up there saying, oh, well,
21:00
Speaker 2: you know, I have a nice Easter. If you're going
21:03
Speaker 2: on a little trip, try and take public transport. I
21:06
Speaker 2: don't know when the last time he went on an
21:08
Speaker 2: Easter holiday on public transport. I when you're going to
21:10
Speaker 2: catch a train to the Central Coast or something. I mean,
21:13
Speaker 2: it's just impractical. He doesn't seem to I don't think
21:19
Speaker 2: understand the feeling out in the suburbs. I mean, I
21:22
Speaker 2: was at petrol stations today wear one and it was
21:26
Speaker 2: packed with people. They were accues of people still buying petrol.
21:29
Speaker 2: So Kocher his demands for people not to panic. People
21:33
Speaker 2: are not panicking, but they're just being realistic in filling
21:36
Speaker 2: their cars up.
21:39
Speaker 11: Yes, you know, I think I was right that he's
21:40
Speaker 11: trying to soothe the nerves. But I would say he's
21:42
Speaker 11: trying to sue the nerves without see shedding the stomach.
21:45
Speaker 11: And what I mean by that is it's sort of
21:46
Speaker 11: like words and platitudes and stay calm and we're okay,
21:49
Speaker 11: and we've got a plan, but nothing substantive really. And
21:52
Speaker 11: in fairness to the PM and the current administration, they
21:55
Speaker 11: are not architects of the position that we're in. They're
21:57
Speaker 11: the current custodians of it. Nothing in their policy agenda,
22:00
Speaker 11: either pre crisis or currently in crisis, suggests anything creative
22:05
Speaker 11: or bold that would change the direction of Australia towards
22:09
Speaker 11: greater self reliance as it comes to energy. That's where
22:12
Speaker 11: of a long term goal, there are things you can
22:13
Speaker 11: do short to medium term on the pathway to that.
22:15
Speaker 11: There's nothing like that that we've seen. I don't expect
22:18
Speaker 11: that we're going to see it under this administration. But
22:20
Speaker 11: they are the product of multiple administrations over the last
22:23
Speaker 11: quarter century that have all led us into this decision,
22:26
Speaker 11: and so I guess in that sense it's not surprising.
22:28
Speaker 11: And there's almost you know, I almost can't expect anything
22:31
Speaker 11: more from the PM, which would look like if you
22:34
Speaker 11: were to be bold, you know, taking more radical announcements
22:37
Speaker 11: and doing some policy shock and saying things like we're
22:39
Speaker 11: going to really build up our reserves. That's going to
22:42
Speaker 11: mean cutting down spending or having austerity and other measures
22:44
Speaker 11: to account for that. We're going to build a pipeline
22:46
Speaker 11: from Western Australia so that we can get domestic supply
22:50
Speaker 11: more towards the East coast. Hey, maybe we should cut
22:52
Speaker 11: down immigration right now when we're talking about demand control,
22:54
Speaker 11: that would be a good lever to cut down demand
22:57
Speaker 11: on the infrastructure, things like that. That's what he should
22:59
Speaker 11: be saying, But I don't think he will, because again
23:01
Speaker 11: he's not the architect of the position that we're in,
23:03
Speaker 11: and he's going to probably kick the can down the
23:05
Speaker 11: rud on those types of policy decisions.
23:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, instead he's telling us to get on buses and trains,
23:09
Speaker 2: which is quite remarkable. I mean, Joe, do you think,
23:13
Speaker 2: like the rest of us, the PM might have COVID
23:16
Speaker 2: PTSD that he doesn't want to give the impression to
23:20
Speaker 2: Australians with this national address that oh, here we are.
23:24
Speaker 2: We're back with Dan Andrews in his puffer jacket and
23:27
Speaker 2: people being told, you know, they can't walk around the
23:30
Speaker 2: street with a straw and a cup and I can
23:32
Speaker 2: only have two people in your house at any one time.
23:35
Speaker 2: You think he's trying to put the lid on that.
23:38
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think the whole Nathan's got COVID PTSD, and
23:41
Speaker 10: so it should, and especially in Victoria. And he's right
23:46
Speaker 10: COVID Again, a lot of the measures were fueled not
23:49
Speaker 10: by science, not by rationality, but by panic. Panic parents
23:53
Speaker 10: pulling their kids out of schools and suddenly everyone thought,
23:55
Speaker 10: oh no, schools aren't safe and they were shut down,
23:57
Speaker 10: when in fact they were safe. But now, as a
23:59
Speaker 10: result of that panic, we've got thousands of kids who
24:02
Speaker 10: have slipped through the cracks and have not been seen
24:04
Speaker 10: in the school system ever since. I mean, that is
24:06
Speaker 10: an absolute disgrace, and yet when people were calling that
24:09
Speaker 10: out with the facts, like myself and others, they were
24:13
Speaker 10: shouted down by this very same type of panic. And again,
24:17
Speaker 10: if people are driving around with jerry cans in the
24:20
Speaker 10: back of their car and not even knowing how to
24:22
Speaker 10: use them, then that is clearly an irrational response to
24:26
Speaker 10: what is a serious problem and a serious crisis, but
24:29
Speaker 10: one which is really only going to be solved if
24:32
Speaker 10: the straight reopens. I mean, everything apart from that is
24:35
Speaker 10: a stopgap measure. And you know, of course, yes we
24:38
Speaker 10: should be looking at more fuel sovereignty if you like,
24:43
Speaker 10: but the time to do that was years and decades ago,
24:46
Speaker 10: and Coach is absolutely right. Previous governments should have done it,
24:48
Speaker 10: so we could have been there. Now it's too late
24:51
Speaker 10: now to stop that crisis. We can do it to
24:53
Speaker 10: safeguard ourselves from future crisis, but that is not going
24:56
Speaker 10: to do anything over the next few months, and so
24:59
Speaker 10: we need to make make sure firstly that there is
25:01
Speaker 10: a solution to what's happening in homes and secondly that
25:05
Speaker 10: we don't go around losing our heads and making a
25:07
Speaker 10: crisis even worse by panicking about it. And you know,
25:10
Speaker 10: again he's not saying take public transport on your ASA holidays,
25:13
Speaker 10: saying go away, enjoy it as normal. Then when you
25:15
Speaker 10: get it back, if you can take public transport instead
25:17
Speaker 10: of driving around, do that. Don't freak out.
25:21
Speaker 2: You are so generous when you're talking about your natural
25:24
Speaker 2: lot now kosher. Just briefly, Donald Trump says he's building
25:29
Speaker 2: the greatest ballroom in the world. I wonder if the
25:32
Speaker 2: French running the Palace of Versailles think about I think
25:35
Speaker 2: that going to be the greatest ball room in the world.
25:41
Speaker 11: Trump would give them a run for their money in
25:43
Speaker 11: terms of his love of gold and gold pleading. I
25:45
Speaker 11: think that's well reported. He's run into a little bit
25:47
Speaker 11: of a hitch with that. A federal judge issued a
25:50
Speaker 11: temporary restraining order on it because the National Preservation Society
25:54
Speaker 11: filed some sort of paperwork lawsuit alleging that the processes
25:58
Speaker 11: weren't properly followed. For that, it'll probably be appealed and overruled. Plus,
26:02
Speaker 11: the East wing has been destroyed and there's a hole
26:04
Speaker 11: in the ground, so it's probably on everybody's best interest
26:06
Speaker 11: to see that completed. And he will be leaving his
26:08
Speaker 11: mark on the White House for years to come for
26:10
Speaker 11: better for worse.
26:12
Speaker 2: Joe Kosher, always a pleasure to catch up with us,
26:14
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Former Deputy Chief Medical Officer nixt
26:18
Speaker 2: Nick Kosworth. Did you see him last night? He got
26:20
Speaker 2: right to the heart of Anthony Albanesi's crisis problem, telling
26:24
Speaker 2: Chris Kenny that the Prime Minister looks irritated under pressure
26:28
Speaker 2: instead of getting ahead of the game.
26:31
Speaker 12: My concern with Bondai, my concern with the fuel crisis,
26:35
Speaker 12: is that there's a lot of reaction, there's a lot
26:36
Speaker 12: of catchup, and in those press conferences it looks like
26:40
Speaker 12: someone who's getting irritated with the questions rather than rather
26:44
Speaker 12: than leading the country along. And I think if that's
26:47
Speaker 12: the persona that's being projected during times of crisis, not
26:50
Speaker 12: now just with one, but with two consecutive crises, then
26:55
Speaker 12: in these times of uncertainty, that's a deep worry for
26:58
Speaker 12: the country.
26:58
Speaker 2: I want to see irritate. I have a look at
27:01
Speaker 2: the press club tomorrow once the Prime Minister's speech is
27:04
Speaker 2: over and he starts getting some tough questions from people
27:07
Speaker 2: like Andrew Clenell, that's where you'll see irritation. Now the
27:10
Speaker 2: pressure pressure obviously is widening, warnings now that the fertilizer
27:14
Speaker 2: shortage right around the country, particularly in place like Wa
27:18
Speaker 2: has hit quote a natural disaster level and could threaten
27:22
Speaker 2: food production for years to come. Joining me now, Deputy
27:25
Speaker 2: Nationals Leader Kevin Hoden, Good to see you. Thanks for
27:28
Speaker 2: sticking around for us. Kevin, do you think the PM's
27:31
Speaker 2: looking rattled?
27:34
Speaker 13: Yeah, he is, Steve, and he is looking annoyed. I mean,
27:37
Speaker 13: we obviously ask a lot of questions in question time.
27:39
Speaker 13: He gets cranky. He's always had a glass jaw and
27:42
Speaker 13: always very sensitive about criticism. But yeah, that's showing. But
27:45
Speaker 13: Steve to go to tonight as well. I mean, what
27:48
Speaker 13: was that about. I mean a national address, pretty serious stuff.
27:51
Speaker 13: Everyone's like, Okay, Prime Minister's got something pretty serious to
27:54
Speaker 13: tell us here. Told us nothing. He hasn't been saying
27:57
Speaker 13: all day every day. So look, you know, yeah, not good.
28:00
Speaker 13: And I agree with the coast Worth I think he
28:02
Speaker 13: you know, I don't think there's a lot of leadership
28:03
Speaker 13: coming here.
28:05
Speaker 14: Nothing about the plan.
28:07
Speaker 1: Now.
28:07
Speaker 13: My concern is that the information we're trying to get,
28:09
Speaker 13: for example, is we all know what we what we
28:11
Speaker 13: get told, not from the government, but all the all
28:14
Speaker 13: the oil, all the petrol come into Australia right now
28:17
Speaker 13: is stuff that came out of the Middle East before
28:19
Speaker 13: the crisis began, and around middle of April is when
28:23
Speaker 13: that oil, you know, is all going to have been
28:25
Speaker 13: used up, refined and have arrived here. So what's the
28:28
Speaker 13: plan and why is he needs to much more transparent?
28:30
Speaker 10: Mate?
28:32
Speaker 2: When you talk to the colleagues tonight after the seven
28:34
Speaker 2: o'clock appearance, what was the feeling among everybody as to
28:39
Speaker 2: what he was actually trying to achieve tonight?
28:43
Speaker 13: Universally it was almost ridicule. It was like sort of
28:46
Speaker 13: you know, Bozo the clown type stuff. It was like,
28:48
Speaker 13: you know what it was like. You know, one person
28:50
Speaker 13: you know, rang me straight away and said, look, they
28:51
Speaker 13: felt like they had been spoken to like a patronizing
28:54
Speaker 13: school headmaster, you know, like we know and just talked
28:57
Speaker 13: in a tone and you know, I know, and you
29:00
Speaker 13: don't know, and they didn't really.
29:01
Speaker 1: Tell us much.
29:02
Speaker 13: So look, I think you know. And the problem about that, Steve,
29:05
Speaker 13: is people are rightfully anxious. People rightfully are concerned about
29:10
Speaker 13: the way forward with US fuel fertilizer very important to
29:13
Speaker 13: our economy, very important to a whole lot of facets
29:17
Speaker 13: of our life. So they know, it's not you know,
29:19
Speaker 13: this government's fault what's going on in the Middle East,
29:21
Speaker 13: But we do need the Prime Minister to take leadership.
29:24
Speaker 13: We do need them to tell us much more about
29:26
Speaker 13: what's going on and the plan. If you know, if
29:29
Speaker 13: the straits don't open in the next two or three weeks,
29:31
Speaker 13: what's the plan. I mean, we have to be prepared
29:33
Speaker 13: for that. What type of things do we look forward to,
29:36
Speaker 13: or do we have to plan for, or do we
29:37
Speaker 13: need to compensate with And he needs to tell us
29:40
Speaker 13: that well in advance. If you're transparent, It's like you know,
29:43
Speaker 13: when you're talking to people, If you get the more
29:44
Speaker 13: information you give them, the more respect they will have
29:47
Speaker 13: for you, and they'll respond accordingly. But you know, tonight
29:51
Speaker 13: was a bit weird really.
29:54
Speaker 2: I filled up at Shell in suburban Melbourne Today's Shell
29:58
Speaker 2: station and the unleaded I used was cheaper than it
30:03
Speaker 2: was two days ago. Diesels also gone down a bit.
30:07
Speaker 2: That would appear to be the big oil companies, the
30:09
Speaker 2: big retailers actually passing on the fuel ex sise. But
30:14
Speaker 2: does that fuel excise actually solve a problem for anyone
30:19
Speaker 2: who can't get a supply? I mean, it doesn't matter
30:21
Speaker 2: how cheap it is, if you can't get it, it
30:23
Speaker 2: doesn't help.
30:26
Speaker 13: Yeah, look, two distinct problems we've got, Steve. Obviously, the
30:29
Speaker 13: price is too high. That feel that foot feeds through
30:32
Speaker 13: to inflation. You know, we're talking about an inflation rate
30:35
Speaker 13: maybe going to six percent in this country over the
30:37
Speaker 13: next couple of months. That's going to have ramifications for people, mortgages,
30:41
Speaker 13: et cetera. So, as you well know, we led the
30:43
Speaker 13: charge on that. It was our policy that we announced.
30:45
Speaker 13: We said the government should lower the x scise. We
30:47
Speaker 13: had a plan about how to fund that. So while
30:50
Speaker 13: they took the weekend to catch up, they obviously implemented
30:52
Speaker 13: our idea. So we obviously supported that. So that's the
30:55
Speaker 13: price side. There's a little bit of help we can
30:57
Speaker 13: give there, which is important. But yeah, it's a supply now, Steve.
31:00
Speaker 13: I mean, as I said, my understanding not that the
31:02
Speaker 13: government talked this bluntly to us. Our understanding is mid
31:05
Speaker 13: April the work it changes a bit. You know, all
31:07
Speaker 13: that crude it's been refined in Southeast Asia, has made
31:10
Speaker 13: its way here. That stops and all that is then
31:14
Speaker 13: used up, so it's only stuff posts that that and
31:18
Speaker 13: there hasn't been a lot coming through the straits from
31:19
Speaker 13: as as we know. There's other supply channels that we're
31:22
Speaker 13: trying to get fuel through. But we need to be
31:24
Speaker 13: told what's going on, what's the plan where adults, we
31:27
Speaker 13: want to know what the plan is. We want to
31:29
Speaker 13: know in real terms what the situation will be then
31:33
Speaker 13: and how we can all you know, make this work
31:35
Speaker 13: as best we can for our country.
31:38
Speaker 2: Chris Bowen keeps telling us he's doing deals, making phone calls,
31:42
Speaker 2: lining up ships. Do we believe him?
31:47
Speaker 8: Well?
31:47
Speaker 13: I try to, I want to. I mean, he hasn't
31:50
Speaker 13: got great form on that. You know, let's go back
31:52
Speaker 13: to other promises he's made that never happened. But look,
31:54
Speaker 13: obviously one of the things I think the government would
31:56
Speaker 13: be doing we would be encouraging them to do it
31:58
Speaker 13: is you know, we are an energy producer. We are gas, coal,
32:03
Speaker 13: et cetera. Were very big energy producer. So people still
32:05
Speaker 13: need that, especially gas in some of these processing reforms
32:09
Speaker 13: or processing processes that use for liquid fuels, et cetera.
32:13
Speaker 13: So now obviously there's deals and agreements that we can do.
32:16
Speaker 13: They're off takes that we give them that they give us.
32:18
Speaker 13: This I would certainly be encouraged the government at very
32:21
Speaker 13: senior levels to be talking to you know, leaders, prime ministers,
32:25
Speaker 13: energy ministers in other countries to start to have those
32:27
Speaker 13: type of agreements. So I'm hoping they're doing that for sure.
32:31
Speaker 2: Kevin's pleasure to catch up with you, mate, Thank you
32:33
Speaker 2: very much. I appreciate it now if you haven't yet
32:36
Speaker 2: had your fill of uninspiring labor leaders addressing their country Tonight,
32:41
Speaker 2: Secure Starma, UK Prime Minister. He's delivered a national address
32:46
Speaker 2: in his country, continuing to urge de escalation in the
32:50
Speaker 2: conflict in Iran. Here he is, this is not our war.
32:56
Speaker 14: We will not be drawn into the conflict that is
33:00
Speaker 14: not in our national interest.
33:02
Speaker 2: And the most.
33:03
Speaker 14: Effective way we can support the cost of living in
33:06
Speaker 14: Britain is to push for de escalation in the Middle
33:10
Speaker 14: East and a reopening of the straight uphole moves.
33:14
Speaker 2: Can you only imagine what Donald Trump's going to do
33:16
Speaker 2: to Keir Starmery in his address at midday tomorrow. You'll
33:19
Speaker 2: see it live here on Sky. I'll bring you more
33:21
Speaker 2: of that speech a little later when I chat with
33:24
Speaker 2: Spiked online editor Tom Slater. Plus, could Donald Trump be
33:28
Speaker 2: planning to send troops to Iran over the Easter weekend
33:32
Speaker 2: someone has talked about on Good Friday. Michael Schubridge will
33:35
Speaker 2: analyze that with US up next Welcome back to sleep
33:42
Speaker 2: Price in for Shari for the next couple of nights. Now.
33:45
Speaker 2: US Marines, paratroopers and special forces are all now reportedly
33:49
Speaker 2: moving into place in the Middle East. We're told that's
33:52
Speaker 2: the biggest troop movement that they've had there for a
33:55
Speaker 2: very long time. Now. Share markets have eyed off the
33:59
Speaker 2: long Good Friday weekend and the big question tonight is
34:03
Speaker 2: will Donald Trump? Is he bluffing or is he secretly
34:06
Speaker 2: preparing for a ground invasion of a run? Joining me
34:09
Speaker 2: now is Strategic Analysis Australia Director Michael Schubridge. What do
34:14
Speaker 2: you make of those troop movements? I mean, why would
34:17
Speaker 2: you send that many resources to the region if you
34:21
Speaker 2: weren't going to use them?
34:25
Speaker 8: Steve, I think you're right.
34:26
Speaker 15: President Trump has a history of if he puts forces
34:29
Speaker 15: in place, then he does something with them. He's got
34:32
Speaker 15: about seven thousand Marines and airborne troops in place. Now,
34:37
Speaker 15: that's not enough to do much against a country of
34:40
Speaker 15: ninety million people, but something symbolic and a little bit
34:44
Speaker 15: showy that changes the storyline of just more bombs looks
34:49
Speaker 15: absolutely well like what he might have in mind.
34:54
Speaker 2: Maybe that island that hosts Run's export utilities forgetting they're
35:02
Speaker 2: oil out of the region, Maybe that carg Island might
35:05
Speaker 2: be his target.
35:06
Speaker 15: You think, well, that makes sense from that point of
35:11
Speaker 15: view of what's symbolic and very showy and something different
35:15
Speaker 15: to just the continued bombing campaign. It's not going to
35:19
Speaker 15: reopen the Strait of Hormus, but it is Iran's major
35:24
Speaker 15: export terminal, and seizing it or destroying it would be
35:29
Speaker 15: a symbolic act. Of course, it'll worsen the global energy
35:33
Speaker 15: crisis too.
35:36
Speaker 2: I saw Marko Rubio quite a bit on Sky today.
35:39
Speaker 2: He's given a public address and he's laid out plainly
35:42
Speaker 2: why the US and Israel actually went in and struck
35:45
Speaker 2: Iran and how close they were to nuclear weapons. I
35:51
Speaker 2: think he pointed out that they've got sixty percent of
35:55
Speaker 2: uranium that is ready to be enriched on the way
35:58
Speaker 2: to ninety Is that the common view of strategists like
36:03
Speaker 2: yourself around the world that they were really close.
36:08
Speaker 15: No, and I don't think the US intelligence community thinks
36:12
Speaker 15: that either. Marco Rubio is referring to the sixty percent
36:17
Speaker 15: and enriched uranium. The Iranians had about four hundred kilograms
36:21
Speaker 15: of that and it probably was either moved or buried
36:26
Speaker 15: back in June last year when the Americans struck those
36:29
Speaker 15: nuclear sites, but Iran was probably still a long way
36:35
Speaker 15: from getting an operational bomb and a missile to put
36:38
Speaker 15: it on top of. They have intent though, to get
36:42
Speaker 15: a nuclear weapon.
36:45
Speaker 2: We saw that in the Australian newspaper, I think it
36:47
Speaker 2: was yesterday, those graphics that show that these massive underground
36:53
Speaker 2: drone and bomb storage cities is what you have to
36:56
Speaker 2: call them. There's underground railways and all sorts of technology
37:01
Speaker 2: in there, and it's secreted underneath a huge slab of
37:06
Speaker 2: mountain with granity in it. And even these bunker bombs
37:10
Speaker 2: that the Americans have that they used in Iran before
37:14
Speaker 2: can't get to that depth. Is that your understanding as well?
37:20
Speaker 15: Yes, So just think about this. The Israelis pounded Gaza,
37:25
Speaker 15: creating sixty eight million tons of rubble, and Hermasa's tunnel
37:29
Speaker 15: network still let Hamas keep doing the fighting. Iran knows
37:34
Speaker 15: everything about that tunnel network in Gaza, and they've built
37:38
Speaker 15: much deeper, more extensive underground networks for their missiles and drones,
37:43
Speaker 15: and they also knew the penetrating effect of those bunker busters.
37:48
Speaker 15: So yes, just like Hamas, Iran will be able to
37:52
Speaker 15: pop out of those tunnels and keep fighting.
37:56
Speaker 2: I mentioned NATO earlier. I'd just like to get your
37:59
Speaker 2: view on this. Those means today by Hescathan Rubio about
38:04
Speaker 2: not being helped by France the UK, and we just
38:07
Speaker 2: saw Kirstarma there repeating that it's not our conflict, We're
38:11
Speaker 2: not going to get involved. What's the future of NATO.
38:16
Speaker 15: Well, this looks like something that could break NATO because
38:20
Speaker 15: the American position is hardening along the lines of well,
38:25
Speaker 15: NATO's offer, Europe's benefit not ours, and where are you
38:29
Speaker 15: when we want you? Even though the Americans didn't consult
38:33
Speaker 15: or work with their NATO allies before starting this war,
38:37
Speaker 15: and the Europeans are looking at the American position around
38:41
Speaker 15: Russia and the Ukraine War and saying, well, you don't
38:44
Speaker 15: want to help us here either, you want to sign
38:46
Speaker 15: business deals with Moscow. So the foundations of NATO are
38:50
Speaker 15: being broken as we watch.
38:54
Speaker 2: Should that concern us in regard to Orcus?
38:59
Speaker 15: Absolutely, the NATO alliance is a deeper, broader, alliance system
39:05
Speaker 15: than the Australia US Alliance, and we have far less
39:09
Speaker 15: military capability than the NATO partners. So when you look
39:14
Speaker 15: at the other Orchest partner, the UK under Keir Starmer,
39:18
Speaker 15: looking incredibly weak and confused, and then you look at
39:22
Speaker 15: mister Albanezi pretending he has no interests involved in this war,
39:28
Speaker 15: even though he's just told the nation will be walking
39:30
Speaker 15: everywhere from Washington, it looks like both its Orchest partners,
39:35
Speaker 15: the UK and Australia, are no longer on site.
39:42
Speaker 2: Horrible to contemplate that, but you're always right, Michael. Thanks
39:45
Speaker 2: for your time, Michael Schubridge. There now still to come.
39:48
Speaker 2: Labour has cut the fuel exiles, as we know, but
39:50
Speaker 2: now the government is facing wrath from economists who say
39:54
Speaker 2: the move will actually make inflation worse? Will it? Dmitri
39:58
Speaker 2: Burstein will unpack this and more up next plus we
40:01
Speaker 2: go to London to Tom Slater, who will have the
40:04
Speaker 2: latest on that speech. That remarkable speech we showed you
40:08
Speaker 2: a little bit of earlier from Sir Kias Starmer. Welcome
40:15
Speaker 2: back to Shari. I take you to the UK in
40:16
Speaker 2: a moment and that remarkable speech by Sakias Starmer. I
40:20
Speaker 2: want to go back, though, locally, to the economics of
40:23
Speaker 2: what is happening around this fuel crisis. Now the government
40:27
Speaker 2: has harved the fuel excise, and the PM's now brushing
40:30
Speaker 2: off all these warnings from economists who say the cut
40:33
Speaker 2: will actually add demand, blunt the price signal, and risk
40:37
Speaker 2: making inflation worse. Let's go to someone who knows about economics.
40:41
Speaker 2: Joining me now is Eminence Advisories Dmitri Berstein. Good to
40:45
Speaker 2: catch up with you. The PM didn't talk about this tonight,
40:49
Speaker 2: but he insists the fuel cut is not inflationary. Who's
40:53
Speaker 2: right and who's wrong.
40:55
Speaker 16: Well, I'd suggest the Prime Minister is not right. There's
40:58
Speaker 16: no doubt that cutting the exercise will be inflationary in
41:02
Speaker 16: the absence of other forces, for example, the reduction compensating
41:07
Speaker 16: reduction in government spending. So yeah, you know, the Prime Minister,
41:11
Speaker 16: you know, with his degree in political economy, has not
41:15
Speaker 16: got it right this time.
41:18
Speaker 2: Degree in political economy. I love that. Look, it's really
41:21
Speaker 2: just a sugar hit. It has worked, petrol prices have
41:24
Speaker 2: started to go down today. But how does that feed
41:28
Speaker 2: into inflation? I mean, have we seen a dollar value
41:32
Speaker 2: put against what this is actually going to cost? The
41:34
Speaker 2: tax payer by cutting this in half for three months.
41:38
Speaker 16: Well, it's a function of how much petrol there is
41:40
Speaker 16: in the system to start with, so I'd be surprised
41:42
Speaker 16: if there's a dollar figure put against it. But what
41:46
Speaker 16: it does, it just allows consumers. It just leaves more
41:50
Speaker 16: money in their wallets to spend on other things, including
41:55
Speaker 16: pushing up the price of other goods and services. Inflation
41:58
Speaker 16: is just the you know, you more money chasing the
42:02
Speaker 16: same volume of goods and services. You know, we haven't
42:05
Speaker 16: you know, inflation is an imbalance and supply and demand,
42:09
Speaker 16: and there's no change to the supply. In fact, supply
42:12
Speaker 16: is being constricted. And as the Prime Minister has warned,
42:15
Speaker 16: so all they're doing is just adding more demand into
42:18
Speaker 16: the system.
42:20
Speaker 2: And you've got a budget next month and you know
42:22
Speaker 2: that Jim Chalmers will want to again be handing out
42:25
Speaker 2: more money. So that's just going to flow throw more petrol.
42:29
Speaker 2: I shouldn't use the word petrol probably onto the inflation inferno,
42:34
Speaker 2: isn't it.
42:35
Speaker 16: Yes, the you know, the economics the government's economics team
42:39
Speaker 16: thinks you can fix inflation by you know, by giving
42:42
Speaker 16: out money to suppress the price signal, when it's actually
42:45
Speaker 16: quite the contrary. It makes it, It makes it, it
42:47
Speaker 16: makes it worse. You knows, as has been said, only
42:51
Speaker 16: government can cause inflation. Preserved monopoly in Franished enterprise, you know,
42:56
Speaker 16: inflation is not a private sector force. It's caused when
43:00
Speaker 16: by government intervention into the market.
43:03
Speaker 2: I lived in New South Wales when Mike Baird was
43:06
Speaker 2: the premier and I thought he did a pretty good job.
43:08
Speaker 2: Certainly he got a lot of big projects underway and
43:11
Speaker 2: they were finished off under subsequent labor labor governments. But
43:16
Speaker 2: he's out there warning the destruct today. The warning in
43:18
Speaker 2: Australia is no longer a load debt country and the
43:21
Speaker 2: pressure is now on charmers ahead of that budget. What
43:24
Speaker 2: does Bed mean by us not being a low debt country.
43:29
Speaker 16: Well, he's pointing out, he's pointing for research commissioned by
43:31
Speaker 16: the think tank he's currently involved with that shows that
43:35
Speaker 16: Australia's debt to GDP has gone up from government perspective.
43:41
Speaker 16: So the Commonwealth just let me set the scene here.
43:43
Speaker 16: The Commonwealth as at today sits on nine hundred and
43:47
Speaker 16: ninety four billion dollars of gross debt now for all
43:50
Speaker 16: intents and purposes, that was zero in two thousand and
43:53
Speaker 16: six two thousand and seven, so we've accumulated close to
43:56
Speaker 16: a trillion dollars of debt in the course of twenty
43:59
Speaker 16: just under twenty years. Now add on top of that
44:03
Speaker 16: state and territory debt, so there's probably another six hundred
44:06
Speaker 16: to six hundred and fifty billion dollars of that. So
44:08
Speaker 16: as a nation, our governments have wrapped up a one
44:12
Speaker 16: point six one point seven trillion dollar debt, which on
44:16
Speaker 16: a per person basis comes to around sixty to sixty
44:18
Speaker 16: five thousand dollars per head. Now add on top of
44:21
Speaker 16: that household debt, where Australia is the second most indebted
44:25
Speaker 16: nation households in the world. You know we're living well
44:29
Speaker 16: beyond our means.
44:33
Speaker 2: You're not sending me off to Easter with any great
44:36
Speaker 2: thoughts about how we're going to go in the next
44:38
Speaker 2: couple of years. But I appreciate you joining us. Thank you, dmeet.
44:40
Speaker 2: You appreciate it very much. There you go, don't go
44:43
Speaker 2: anywhere there. I'll take you live to London. In a moment,
44:45
Speaker 2: Tom Slater's going to unpack this speech by UK Prime
44:49
Speaker 2: Minister kirstarm If you thought Anthony Albanesi was bad at
44:52
Speaker 2: seven o'clock tonight. You wait till you see a bit
44:54
Speaker 2: more of this. Go back toua price with you. If
45:01
Speaker 2: you thought the Prime Minister's addressed to the nation as
45:04
Speaker 2: it was grandly called tonight, which ran around seven o'clock
45:07
Speaker 2: as a niece's standard time, was bad, well you haven't
45:11
Speaker 2: seen anything yet. The UK Prime Minister also decided he
45:14
Speaker 2: was going to address the United Kingdom and he's made
45:18
Speaker 2: it clear, very clear that he won't be joining the
45:22
Speaker 2: Uranian conflict.
45:24
Speaker 14: Clear and calm leadership, that is what this country is
45:28
Speaker 14: ready to provide, because my guide from the start of
45:33
Speaker 14: this conflict has always been the British national interest.
45:39
Speaker 2: Joining me now, Spiked Online editor Tom Slater, who's just
45:42
Speaker 2: so inspired by what he saw from his Prime minister
45:45
Speaker 2: that he's thinking about going down and volunteering to join
45:48
Speaker 2: the British Navy. What the hell is he on about?
45:52
Speaker 17: That's a very good question. I mean, this is one
45:54
Speaker 17: in a long line of kind of non announcement announcements
45:57
Speaker 17: from the Prime Minister in response to this war, but
45:59
Speaker 17: also generally he restated his position that the UK didn't
46:02
Speaker 17: want to get dragged into this war. He announced a
46:05
Speaker 17: series of economic measures which had already been announced as
46:08
Speaker 17: a supposed reassurance to the British public. And I think
46:12
Speaker 17: you just underlined that in these times of conflict, energy crises,
46:15
Speaker 17: war all sorts, having Kirsarmer's primise with the UK is
46:19
Speaker 17: like bring a spoon to a knife fight. He's not
46:21
Speaker 17: made for these times. And I think he's just made
46:23
Speaker 17: that abundantly clear with another kind of sleep walking address
46:27
Speaker 17: that he's just given him down Winning Street.
46:30
Speaker 2: I think him and Anthony Alberezia are mates. Tom. They
46:33
Speaker 2: must have been trading how to come their various electorates
46:39
Speaker 2: around the world, because our Prime Minister came out tonight
46:42
Speaker 2: at seven o'clock and did basically the same thing. He said,
46:45
Speaker 2: have a happy Easter and make sure if you can
46:48
Speaker 2: you catch buses and trains and use public public transport.
46:55
Speaker 17: No, it's incredible if you think about the enormous gap
46:57
Speaker 17: between the obvious crisis that confronts us, both in terms
47:01
Speaker 17: of the Middle East, but also the knock on impact
47:03
Speaker 17: on energy prices, on the cost of living, and the
47:05
Speaker 17: sort of rhetoric you're getting from alban Easy or from Starmer.
47:08
Speaker 1: It's staggering.
47:09
Speaker 17: And the thing about the position that a lot of
47:12
Speaker 17: shall we say, kind of middle powers have taken in
47:14
Speaker 17: response to this war. In some respect reflects the different
47:19
Speaker 17: role that we play in global affairs, the huge footprint
47:23
Speaker 17: of America completely casting a lot of us into the shadows.
47:26
Speaker 17: But you can still kind of play that in a
47:27
Speaker 17: slightly different way. I think the thing with Keir Starmer
47:29
Speaker 17: is he's played a bad hand, very badly.
47:31
Speaker 1: We're already very.
47:32
Speaker 17: Exposed to economic and energy shocks. His piddling measures around
47:35
Speaker 17: the edges aren't going to make any difference to that. Meanwhile,
47:38
Speaker 17: what we've seen here is the kind of doubling down
47:40
Speaker 17: on the green agenda, even at a time where it's
47:41
Speaker 17: become abundantly clear that cheap and reliable fossil fuels or
47:44
Speaker 17: if anything, more important, at a time when the geopolitical
47:48
Speaker 17: picture is a lot more uncertain. So yeah, very similar
47:51
Speaker 17: that we've seen from the two labor premieres there, And
47:53
Speaker 17: I think another sign that they just don't have the
47:55
Speaker 17: answers to the issues that are confronting us because of
47:58
Speaker 17: the sort of ideology on the center left that has
48:00
Speaker 17: existed for some time now.
48:03
Speaker 2: I must say I feel sorry for King Charles and
48:06
Speaker 2: Queen Camilla. I mean, they're being pushed off to go
48:08
Speaker 2: to the United States on an official royal tour. Imagine
48:12
Speaker 2: how that's going to work out when they turn up
48:15
Speaker 2: at the White House and Donald Trump sees what Starmer
48:18
Speaker 2: said last night. I mean, he wouldn't be implied enough.
48:20
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, I don't think to have a crack at
48:23
Speaker 2: the King. But it doesn't make that too very easy
48:25
Speaker 2: for anybody, doesn't.
48:27
Speaker 17: It certainly doesn't. And it's very clear that this tour
48:30
Speaker 17: has been sort of hastened as an attempt to get
48:33
Speaker 17: back onside with the Americans. The relationship between Kirstarmer and
48:37
Speaker 17: Donald Trump is completely broken down. King Charles despite the
48:40
Speaker 17: fact that kind of privately is clearly not a Trump
48:42
Speaker 17: kind of guy, and I wonder what kind of sly
48:47
Speaker 17: criticisms he might try and air in that speech he
48:49
Speaker 17: gives to Congress and whatnot. Clearly Trump is still a
48:51
Speaker 17: big fan of his. He likes the pomp and ceremony.
48:54
Speaker 17: And it's another sign of how bad these the transatlantic
48:57
Speaker 17: relationship has become that the King he's been wheeled out
49:00
Speaker 17: once again. We've had kind of two state visits so
49:03
Speaker 17: far in the UK. We're now returning the favor and
49:05
Speaker 17: this is reflective of the fact that the government is
49:08
Speaker 17: increasingly adrift from what America is asking from us and
49:11
Speaker 17: what we can provide in the midst of this conflict.
49:15
Speaker 2: As a proud member of the Commonwealth, the Australia has
49:18
Speaker 2: always had great regard for the British Navy. We now
49:20
Speaker 2: see Donald Trump saying well, the UK's aircraft carriers are toys,
49:25
Speaker 2: saying they're no match for America's fleet. I mean that
49:28
Speaker 2: sort of stuff wouldn't go down well with the average
49:31
Speaker 2: Britain I wouldn't have thought.
49:34
Speaker 17: No, it hasn't, and that's one thing if you look
49:35
Speaker 17: at public opinion, it certainly has soured even more towards
49:38
Speaker 17: the President the midst of this conflict, and also going
49:40
Speaker 17: to previous comments downplaying the role that not just Britain
49:43
Speaker 17: but Australia and other allied countries played in previous conflicts.
49:47
Speaker 17: But as ever with Donald Trump, he's always got a
49:49
Speaker 17: bit of a point. I mean, the British armed forces
49:51
Speaker 17: are a shadow of what they once were when this
49:55
Speaker 17: conflict kicked off. It took us three weeks to get
49:58
Speaker 17: a warship over to the Middle East in order to
50:01
Speaker 17: defend our allies and our own military installations and whilst
50:05
Speaker 17: and if you look at just the armed forces more generally,
50:07
Speaker 17: you know, you could fit the British Army into Wembley
50:09
Speaker 17: Stadium with space to spare. At this point, it's not
50:12
Speaker 17: said that Keirstimer can magically solve those problems, but it's
50:15
Speaker 17: a reminder that we've allowed ourselves to become a hell
50:17
Speaker 17: of a lot weaker over many decades. And then Donald
50:20
Speaker 17: Trump shows up and he's very kind of blustering, sometimes
50:22
Speaker 17: over the top fashion, and it's just called our bluff,
50:24
Speaker 17: as he has with many other different countries.
50:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean, it doesn't do much for the
50:30
Speaker 2: NATO alliance, and he's having a crack at the French
50:32
Speaker 2: and now the Italians have turned on him as well.
50:34
Speaker 2: I mean, the whole thing seems to be a one
50:37
Speaker 2: hell of a miss. Tom Thank you very much for
50:38
Speaker 2: joining us. I appreciate it very much. Now Donald Trump
50:41
Speaker 2: is obviously going to address the American public tomorrow. That's
50:46
Speaker 2: going to happen at midday our time. Sky of course
50:47
Speaker 2: will cover it completely live. Run's got no idea how
50:51
Speaker 2: long it will be, and no one really knows exactly
50:54
Speaker 2: what Donald Trump's going to and announced but it's probably
50:57
Speaker 2: the most important ten fifteen, twy, maybe even sixty minutes
51:01
Speaker 2: that we're going to hear out of President Trump since
51:04
Speaker 2: he's been president. We'll see it at midday tomorrow. I'll
51:06
Speaker 2: see you tomorrow night.