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212. Kaisa Keranen, Fitness Coach & Co-Founder of Just Move · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 1: Look back and reflect at what you've achieved, be proud
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  Speaker 1: of that, use that as fuel to move forward. And
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  Speaker 1: you don't have to be like anybody else, because you're
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  Speaker 1: not like anybody else.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, EMILYA Badi here. You are listening to episode
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  Speaker 2: two hundred and twelve of Hurdle, a whileness focused podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Reconnect with everyone from your favorite athletes to top experts
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  Speaker 2: and industry CEOs about their highest hies, toughest moments, and
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  Speaker 2: everything in between. We all go through hurdles in life,
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  Speaker 2: and my goal through these discussions is to empower you
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  Speaker 2: to better navigate yours and move with intention so that
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  Speaker 2: you can stride towards your own big potential and of
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  Speaker 2: course have some fun along the way. For episode to twelve,
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  Speaker 2: I am chatting with Kaisa Karenin.
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  Speaker 3: She is a fitness a.
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  Speaker 2: Coach, co founder of Just Move, and known to her
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  Speaker 2: more than a million followers on Instagram as Kaisa Fit.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I feel like I've been following Kaisa for
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  Speaker 2: a really really long time now, and I am always
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  Speaker 2: astounded at both her positivity and also her dedication to
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  Speaker 2: her mission, which she talks about in today's episode is
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  Speaker 2: literally just encouraging people to move and meet themselves with
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  Speaker 2: where they're at now. If you listen to the show,
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  Speaker 2: you know that that is definitely something that I can
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  Speaker 2: get behind. In today's episode, Kaisa talks to me about
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  Speaker 2: her foundations playing soccer and running track growing up and
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  Speaker 2: navigating a battle with depression which she only recently opened
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  Speaker 2: up to her family about and then her community. The
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  Speaker 2: Seattle based wellness expert talks to me today about a
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  Speaker 2: whole bunch of things, from the moment that she knew
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  Speaker 2: that she wanted to dedicate her life's work to encouraging
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  Speaker 2: others to move, to the hard times that she faced
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  Speaker 2: during the pandemic only recently, she confesses coming back out
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  Speaker 2: of a really difficult time, something that I think a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people will be able to relate to When
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  Speaker 2: listening to this convo, Kaisa opens up about what her
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  Speaker 2: priorities are right now in terms of her movement practice,
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  Speaker 2: as well as how she takes care of herself, what
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  Speaker 2: her self care's routine looks like, and we talk about fueling,
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  Speaker 2: what she puts in her body, what she focuses on,
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  Speaker 2: plus what she's excited about coming down the pipe. Loved
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  Speaker 2: this conversation. We talk about how it's been a super
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  Speaker 2: long time coming, years in the making. In fact, I'm
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  Speaker 2: happy that we're able to connect and finally make it happen.
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  Speaker 2: And with that, let's get to Hurdling. Today, I am
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  Speaker 2: sitting down with Kaisakuran and that she told me not
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  Speaker 2: to say her last name.
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  Speaker 3: But I feel like you get both.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I like the Oprah vibes you're giving me
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  Speaker 2: with just the first name Basis.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't even intentionally do that.
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  Speaker 1: I just my I am looking out for you because
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  Speaker 1: the name is so hard to say that, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: just skip it.
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  Speaker 3: Don't worry about it.
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  Speaker 2: Girl, I get it. My last name is a body.
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  Speaker 2: I've heard a bata, a bait a baby. I'm just like,
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  Speaker 2: it's cool. Whatever works for you works for me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm kind of with that too. I don't even
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  Speaker 3: correct people anymore.
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  Speaker 2: So, well, welcome to the show. I'm so happy to
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  Speaker 2: have you here. I feel like this has been a
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  Speaker 2: long time coming. I don't know if you remember this.
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  Speaker 3: You might not. I'm gonna tell you though.
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  Speaker 2: Right before the pandemic, I was going to come to
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  Speaker 2: Seattle as part of like a crazy like tour I
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  Speaker 2: was doing with Hurdle and we were going to link
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  Speaker 2: and I had to cancel this trip, like I think
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  Speaker 2: I was.
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  Speaker 3: Supposed to be there on March sixteenth.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, when I got the email that I was. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, I know her from something somewhere at some
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  Speaker 1: point in time. But that's also the story of my
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  Speaker 1: life where I'm like, Guisie, you don't actually know that person,
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  Speaker 1: you just know them from social so you're not all.
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  Speaker 3: Well, here we are two and a half years later. Wow,
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  Speaker 3: meant to be.
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  Speaker 1: I'm really excited for this conversation, so thank you for
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  Speaker 1: having me.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, so happy to have you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure in the intro the hurdlers will know this
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  Speaker 2: about you by now, but you are the co founder
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  Speaker 2: of just Move, a personal trainer. You've got your MS
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  Speaker 2: and exercise science. You're all about the beauty of us
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  Speaker 2: moving our bodies. Yes, hashtag just move, hashtag just move.
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  Speaker 2: So something to kick us off here. I see you
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  Speaker 2: sitting here with this pretty microphone. You've been getting into
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  Speaker 2: the podcast game. How does that feel for you?
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  Speaker 3: And I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I am not getting into the podcast game. Okay, let
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  Speaker 1: me just say that I'm trying to dip my toes.
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  Speaker 1: I am trying to talk more. I think what I've
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  Speaker 1: curated on social media is an image of a woman
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  Speaker 1: that does crazy workouts, but there's so much more behind that.
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  Speaker 1: And if I don't talk about my why, then nobody
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  Speaker 1: gets to know why. And so I think, you know,
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  Speaker 1: having a podcast now and starting to open up a
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  Speaker 1: bit more has been the goal.
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  Speaker 3: Really very slowly.
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  Speaker 2: I get it, and you know, regardless of how people
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  Speaker 2: are creating, it is so impressive for anyone to be
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  Speaker 2: making content as regularly as you have gotten it down.
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  Speaker 2: So to see you branch out beyond the really informational
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  Speaker 2: and super expertly crafted stuff that you already have going
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  Speaker 2: on and like dip your toe in this new vertical,
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  Speaker 2: there's something to be said for that.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. I actually really appreciate that because I think
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  Speaker 1: a lot of times people think social media one like
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  Speaker 1: it's not a real job, or two like you just
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  Speaker 1: film stuff and put it up.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like those videos that.
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  Speaker 1: You see take me like two hours to edit, so
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  Speaker 1: like there's so much work that goes.
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  Speaker 2: Into making this all happen, but also like the programming
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  Speaker 2: that goes into the video before you even go to
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  Speaker 2: shoot the video. So to give some more context into
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  Speaker 2: what you do, Now, why don't we start there and
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  Speaker 2: then we'll rewind it back to talking about that why
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  Speaker 2: that you said is so important, So talk to us
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  Speaker 2: a little bit about what you're working on now and
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  Speaker 2: what maybe your day to day looks like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so no day to day is the same, but
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  Speaker 1: the overall, the biggest project that I'm working on is
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  Speaker 1: just Move, which is our platform that has movement for
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  Speaker 1: everybody and everybody, so we have anything from someone who
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  Speaker 1: is just starting their movement journey to advance movers and
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  Speaker 1: it's all in the just Move platform.
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  Speaker 3: So that was always my dream and so to be.
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  Speaker 1: In this space where it's actually happening and that's what
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  Speaker 1: I'm working towards every single day is amazing. And then
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  Speaker 1: where a lot of people see me as on social media,
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  Speaker 1: so you'll see a lot of my day to day
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  Speaker 1: in terms of the workouts that I'm doing and just
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  Speaker 1: like a day in the life of me on social
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  Speaker 1: But the work is always being done to build Just Move.
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  Speaker 3: That's really the big goal. Got it? Got it?
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  Speaker 2: And so for you when it comes to your programming,
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  Speaker 2: how are you focusing your training these days? Like what
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  Speaker 2: is maybe your main focus when it comes to you
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  Speaker 2: and your body.
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  Speaker 1: My main focus these days is one to feel so
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  Speaker 1: good in my body because, as we all did, we
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  Speaker 1: went through a pandemic and I just felt so disconnected
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  Speaker 1: to my body for you know, two and a half years.
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  Speaker 1: So number one, just feel so damn good in my body,
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  Speaker 1: and then two, just to feel like the most badass
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  Speaker 1: version of myself. I'm training like a hardcore athlete right
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  Speaker 1: now because one, that's just what makes me feel good
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  Speaker 1: and it's what I enjoy the most. So for the
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  Speaker 1: past four months, that's what my training has entailed. And
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  Speaker 1: I feel great and I'm loving it. And that's the
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  Speaker 1: season I'm in. I know seasons we ebb and flow,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm just really embracing a season of just feeling
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  Speaker 1: like a badass and training like one.
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  Speaker 2: So you haven't always been stringing together like broad jump
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  Speaker 2: after broad jump after broad jump and really speedy fast
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  Speaker 2: fashion and people are like, how the hell do you
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  Speaker 2: do that?
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  Speaker 3: You haven't always been able to perform like this.
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  Speaker 2: Talk to me a little bit about what movement was
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  Speaker 2: like for you from a young age.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Emily, well, one, thanks for watching that Instagram video.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate that. So movement for me at a young
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  Speaker 3: age started.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, We're going to go all the way back because
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  Speaker 1: I do like I feel like it pairs two things together,
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  Speaker 1: which is my obsession with shoes and my love for movement.
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  Speaker 1: So it all started when my mom put me in
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  Speaker 1: a race at Norstrom and I want a pair of
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  Speaker 1: shoes by crawling and I wasn't even.
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  Speaker 3: Able to crawl.
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  Speaker 1: I pull I like Army crawled, pulled myself across I
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  Speaker 1: want a pair of Nike shoes, and that was my
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  Speaker 1: first race, and then from there I had a lot
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  Speaker 1: of energy as a kid I still do as an adult,
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  Speaker 1: and my mom just had me in all types of movement,
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  Speaker 1: but I never committed to a specific type of movement
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  Speaker 1: until my eighth grade year when I committed to soccer,
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  Speaker 1: and then I was on a club team and then
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  Speaker 1: that really became my sport. Coincidentally, I did track in
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  Speaker 1: college because I ended up wanting to go to Division
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  Speaker 1: one instead of Division two, which was my soccer opportunity,
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  Speaker 1: and then from there I became a trainer. So I've
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  Speaker 1: always been about movement in some way, shape or form,
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  Speaker 1: because it's always been the thing that helps me connect
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  Speaker 1: back to myself and ultimately take care of myself.
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  Speaker 2: Very important. But taking care of yourself, especially in high school,
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  Speaker 2: took out a whole new meaning when you had to
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  Speaker 2: work your way through some anxiety, a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: mental health troubles.
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  Speaker 3: Talk to us about that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I wouldn't say a little bit. It was
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  Speaker 1: a lot of mental health. And I realized, I don't
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  Speaker 1: talk about this enough, but I deal with As much
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  Speaker 1: as I work on my physical health, I'm working on
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  Speaker 1: my mental health. I mean, I've seen therapists for many,
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  Speaker 1: many years. I constantly value where my mental state is
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  Speaker 1: at because my mental health is really important to me.
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  Speaker 1: And I am somebody who can tend to go into depression.
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  Speaker 1: And I didn't recognize that until my freshman year in
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  Speaker 1: high school, which was just it was a really difficult time.
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  Speaker 1: There were so many things that were going on for me,
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  Speaker 1: and so as I look back now, I know it
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  Speaker 1: was you know, family life. It was going into from
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  Speaker 1: a very tiny private school to a big high school,
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  Speaker 1: not feeling like I fit in, not feeling like I
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  Speaker 1: found my people, And so I definitely went through a
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  Speaker 1: really deep dark time and ultimately contemplated leaving this earth.
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  Speaker 3: And I ended up thinking.
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  Speaker 1: To myself, which is crazy because as a freshman you
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  Speaker 1: are twelve or thirteen, But I remember this moment like
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  Speaker 1: it was yesterday, and I remember thinking because every single
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  Speaker 1: day I would walk down to the park at the
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  Speaker 1: bottom of my hill with my soccer ball and I
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  Speaker 1: would just go spend some time there, and I remember thinking,
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  Speaker 1: one day, I have to make a decision. I can't
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  Speaker 1: keep being in this space and I have to decide
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  Speaker 1: what I'm going to do. And if I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: stay here, what is the one thing that's going to
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  Speaker 1: kind of keep me anchored to this earth and that
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  Speaker 1: movement And for me at that time, movement was soccer.
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  Speaker 1: And so I was a freshman in high school, and
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  Speaker 1: I that was the moment that I decided, like, I
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  Speaker 1: want to stay on this earth, and I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: dive straight into the one thing that makes me happy,
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  Speaker 1: which was being a soccer player. And so I dedicated
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  Speaker 1: my life for the next four years to soccer, and ultimately,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that is the thing that saved my life.
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  Speaker 1: And then it was also through that time that I realized,
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  Speaker 1: like I, movement means everything to me, Like my love
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  Speaker 1: for movement helps me connect to my body, helps me
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  Speaker 1: work through very very difficult dark times, helps me have
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  Speaker 1: fun and enjoy life. And so I think that's where
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  Speaker 1: my deep appreciation for movement and for my body started
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  Speaker 1: to develop.
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  Speaker 2: I think that something that can be helpful for a
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  Speaker 2: lot of individuals is when someone kind of paints the
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  Speaker 2: picture of what their personal depression looked like. So would
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  Speaker 2: you mind maybe talking a little bit about what that
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  Speaker 2: looked like for you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, My personal depression at the time when I was
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  Speaker 1: a freshman looked like severe anxiety. Like working up to
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  Speaker 1: going to school every morning was like like going to battle.
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  Speaker 3: Having to prep. I just having to prep.
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  Speaker 1: What I would do when I didn't have something to do,
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  Speaker 1: like lunch breaks caused me a ton of anxiety. I
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  Speaker 1: would make up things to do or pretend like I
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  Speaker 1: had to go run an errand and go walk to
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  Speaker 1: a store. Like it was constantly having to think about
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  Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do day to day, step to step
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  Speaker 1: in my life to distract myself. And so I was
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  Speaker 1: very goal oriented. I mean I always have been, but
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  Speaker 1: I was goal oriented in like, Okay, lunch is at
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  Speaker 1: eleven forty five, you're gonna walk to Bartel Drugs. You're
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  Speaker 1: gonna pretend like you have to get this. Lunch ends
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  Speaker 1: at twelve thirty, you're gonna Like. That's where it was
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  Speaker 1: for me. And it was constantly a deep dark place
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  Speaker 1: like there was no I couldn't see an out to
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  Speaker 1: anything that I was doing. And I think because my
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  Speaker 1: own the only time that I hadn't out was soccer,
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  Speaker 1: that I knew that there was some escape at some
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  Speaker 1: like things would get better at some point in time,
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  Speaker 1: if there was one moment in my life where things
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  Speaker 1: were better, and I just had to keep going towards
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  Speaker 1: that and doing it more and more. I mean I
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  Speaker 1: was someone who spent hours upon hours. I mean from
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  Speaker 1: the outside world, everybody felt like this girl is so
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  Speaker 1: dedicated at thirteen years old. I mean she's out at
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  Speaker 1: the soccer field for like two to three hours. You know,
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  Speaker 1: she's on the weekends. She doesn't go anywhere or do anything.
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  Speaker 1: She's playing soccer, she's practicing, she's training. I was a
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  Speaker 1: thirteen year old that was like out running stairs and
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  Speaker 1: getting it, you know, like working on things that I
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  Speaker 1: wish someone would have looked at and said like this
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  Speaker 1: isn't this, this isn't this isn't normal, and this isn't okay.
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  Speaker 3: Did you talk to anybody about how you felt? No?
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  Speaker 1: Never, never. Wow, I didn't tell my mom, who I
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  Speaker 1: was really close to. I never told her until NASM
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  Speaker 1: about four or five years ago, asked me to do
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  Speaker 1: the keynote, and I was going to tell my story
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  Speaker 1: to my peers for the first time. And a huge
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  Speaker 1: piece of the story is why I'm so in why
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  Speaker 1: I'm so obsessed with movement is because it saved my life.
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  Speaker 1: And my mom was going to be there, and so
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  Speaker 1: I had to tell her my story before she heard.
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  Speaker 3: Me tell it live. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, And that must have been like such an interesting
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  Speaker 2: and introspective moment for her, uh, you know, with the
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  Speaker 2: questions that she had for herself.
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  Speaker 3: Where was I What was I paying attention to?
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  Speaker 2: And I can sympathize as someone who's been on both
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  Speaker 2: sides of the coin, feeling as though you wish that
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  Speaker 2: you could have been there for someone who was struggling,
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  Speaker 2: but without knowing, without establishing you know, that open communication,
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  Speaker 2: it can just be really hard all around. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I always say to my mom, my mom, there
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  Speaker 1: were four of us siblings, you know, like, and my
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  Speaker 1: mom was a very young parent and she was trying
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  Speaker 1: to survive. And so I also hid it, like I
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  Speaker 1: hid everything that I was doing and massed it with perfectionism,
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  Speaker 1: Like I worked my ass off as a student, you know,
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  Speaker 1: as an athlete. I don't think. I think you could
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  Speaker 1: have tried to be aware that I was doing a lot. Maybe,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't think I didn't have the quote unquote
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  Speaker 1: typical symptoms of depression. And now we know there aren't
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  Speaker 1: any typical symptoms. But I don't know that you would
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  Speaker 1: have ever known.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So for you, as you graduate high school, you
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  Speaker 2: go on to college, did you think that you would
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  Speaker 2: become a professional athlete?
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  Speaker 3: Did you think that you were going to go pro? Okay, yes, Emily,
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  Speaker 3: But I don't even know.
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  Speaker 1: When I look back, I'm like, cause, what, like, what
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  Speaker 1: did that mean for you?
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  Speaker 3: Because what did that mean for you? I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I just never saw my life beyond athletics. I never
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  Speaker 1: saw my life past college.
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  Speaker 3: All I ever.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Wanted from the moment that I realized I could play
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: sports in college was to play sports in college. And
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: then apparently like life ended after that. I never thought
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: beyond that. And so and then what professional would mean.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: At the time, I don't know that I was, you know,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: a track athlete or a soccer player and getting paid
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: to train.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I was so young. No, and what
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: track are you running? Process? I was doing the heptathlon.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, wow, see out of the box event there, yes,
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: almost see.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, everything about my life is out of the box.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: So the story is really that I Soccer was the
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: sport that I that I gravitated towards and I loved
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: because I really loved being around a team. But I
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: ended up being better in track, and so I had
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: an option for D two soccer or D one track
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: and you know, ego at eighteen, I wanted to go division.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Once I went to the University of Washington and did
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: the heptathlon.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Wow, wow, favorite part of the heptathlon.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: The javelin by far and away. Wow, that is.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Not I don't know if we've ever had anyone on
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: the show who considered themselves a good javlin thrower.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, qull it happened to be pretty much my best event.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: But the javelin. The way that the scoring works, you
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: get points for each event, but the javelin is an
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: event that you get a lot of points in, so
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: it you know, it didn't really work out your favors
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: absolutely shirks.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, So I mean, after being a stellar heptathlete at
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: the University of Washington, then where does your mind go?
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Because you are thinking, okay, like I'd love to play pro,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: but like, did you think that you were going to
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: start training to go to the Olympics and do like
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: at that point, who knows to kathlon? No?
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, correction, Emily, I was not stellar. This is
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: where this is where the whole thing takes a turn.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Like Kaisa, you have gotten here, You've worked your ass
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: off to get here, you think you're going pro, you
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: think this is the rest of your life, and you're
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: just broken like I wasn't. I wasn't good because I
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: was broken every single year overtraining to the max. I mean,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: I had never ever lifted a weight until I went
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: to college. And when you go to Division one, when
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: you go to college, but when you go to Division one,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: they don't necessarily care about you a lot as an individual.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: You just are part of the masses.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: So there was not a lot of like detailed oriented
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: programming towards Kaisa. It was fit in with the masses.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: So I was broken every single year. So when I
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: graduated from college, I just had this moment of knowing
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: how much movement meant to me and knowing that I
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: needed to be able to move for the rest of
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: my life. There was no way I could be twenty
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: three and broken and injured and in pain and not
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: being able to move.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: And so I went to go.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I got certified as a trainer, but not the train
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: I never had any intention of training individuals. And I
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: know this is crazy, Like when you look at it now,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Kaisa, how did you not think that the
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: thing that you loved so much you wanted to do?
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: I didn't put all of that together.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I mean one also in my depression, like I think
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of me is just trying to survive and
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: put one step in front of the next. Right I
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: knew was that I wanted to become a social worker.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: So I did know deep down that I did want
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: to work with humans. And so to carry on with
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: this story, the reason I'm a trainer now is because
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I was nanning at the time, getting ready to go
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: back to school to get my master's in social work.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: And the woman that I was nanning for said, can
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: you since you're becoming a trainer, can you come run
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: a boot camp? And I was like, Leslie, I'm not
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: becoming a trainer. I'm just learning about my body right now.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: So no, and all somethher long, she asked me, and
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: finally I said yes. At the end of the summer,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: and I coached one boot camp with probably like five
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: of her friend's. Best moment of my life. It was like,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: you know, the sun was just shining down and it
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: like made me so aware of what I wanted to
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: do for the.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Rest of my life. But that's what I knew.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I wanted to be a trainer, and that's when I
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: knew I wanted to bring movement to the masses.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: How did you even know like about what formatting or
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: whatever the hell you wanted to do with this group
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: of five six women.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Emily, I didn't, okay. I was like, Guisa, just make
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: it through. I have now recently been diagnosed with like anxiety,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: and so now I know that like all of the
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: preparation for everything and all these stories that I tell myself,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: like I'm like, okay, well now I can like attribute
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: it back. But I probably didn't sleep for like a week,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: like I was trying to do everything perfect. I was
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: probably at the time there was no social media, so
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I was probably looking at like every YouTube boot camp
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: video to figure out like how do you have them
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: move and how do you have them work out? But
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I did know it was a group of like thirty
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: to four year old women, and I just wanted them
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: to have fun with movement, Like I've always had that
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: in me that I just want people to have a fun,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: good experience. And so somehow we made it through and
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: they had a good time. And I ran that boot
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: camp at Green Lake for Pro for months for a
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: long time until I decided to commit to an actual
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: gym and be a trainer.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you commit to being an actual trainer at
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: a gym, and how do you feel about some of
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: the rigidity that came with that.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, looking back, it's all one big it's like
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: all hilarious.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: So I became a trainer at a gym and I
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: was so excited to help encourage people to move, and
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: time and time again, every single client that came in
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: for a consultation was.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Here to lose weight.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: And so I was like, oh, wow, Okay, I guess
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I'm not the trainer for you, but you can go
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: train with them or train with them, and I'm like
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: waiting for the client that comes through and is like
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I'm so excited to learn how like you know, be
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: a better version of myself or learn how to squad
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: and do push ups. Well, months and months go by
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: and I have no clients, so I had to have
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: like a reevaluation of there are so many people. The
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: majority of people that come into movement is because they
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: want to change the way that they look, and if
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I discourage that or don't meet them where they're at,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: then I'm not doing my part. And so I decided
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: to not okay and not co sign the message that
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: they were initially coming in with, but just not discourage it.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: So I started to pull clients in. I started to
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: create really really fun and encouraging programs for them to do,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: and I would allow them to tell their own stories,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: but I would never co sign it. And then six
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: years later I had formatted and created my own business
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: all around performance training, and it was mainly middle aged
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: women and it was incredible.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: So, like ten years ago, women in performance training, like
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: ten years ago is like kind of the beginning of
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: the middle of the CrossFit phase. It's like, there aren't
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: a ton of women that we're seeing in conventional media
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: that are doing explosive movements, that are lifting barbells, that
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff. So you were really a little bit
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: ahead of feeling as though like this is like something
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: that we all need.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: To be doing.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, And thank you for saying that, because I do
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: think it's important to note. And this was even before CrossFit,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: because there was no social media. Crossbit was around, but
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't blown up the way that it's
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: very different. Yeah, and they're the only thing that I
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: saw was Jillian Michaels on The Biggest Loser because the
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: only platform for fitness and movement was TV and that
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: was the only show. And so and I just knew
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: absolutely no, not to Jillian because she has done her thing,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: but I just knew that wasn't That wasn't my message,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: and that wasn't what I wanted to do, and that
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: wasn't how I wanted to encourage people to move. And
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: because I had always had an experience of being proud
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: of what my body was physically doing as an athlete,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I wanted to start bringing that to other people, and
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: really to women. I just I loved training women and
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: having them come in and think that they were not
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: capable of doing anything in their body, and then starting
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: to train and starting to get them to squad and
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: lift weight and do a push up, and you know,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: like it was just the most incredible experience to witness
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: them start to just really appreciate their body and become
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: empowered in their body.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: So when then do you make a little bit of
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: the transition over to putting some of your programming and
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: getting more involved in social media.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Well, so I took a little detour. So I was
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: running my own business.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I was having a great time, but my depression came
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: in again, like really intensely. I was overworked. So from
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: the outside like very successful, but I was overworked. I
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: was extremely tired, and I had no energy to do
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: anything except for to get to the training sessions. And
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: so at that time, I thought like, Okay, I still
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: want to be in this world, but maybe this isn't
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: the spark that I want.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Maybe I'm missing something.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: And so that's when I went back to school and
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: decided to get my master's in sports performance because I thought, Okay,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: the thing that's gonna, you know, bring you back to
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: life is going to be training athletes. Day one of
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: my internship, so I had to quit. I put my
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: entire business on hold to go back into an unpaid
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: internship and to take out a loan for like sixty
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: or seventy grand to go back to my master's program.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Day one in the internship, I'm like, oh shit, like
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: what did I just do? I don't think this is
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: the right thing. So slowly, over time I had an
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: incredible experience, because not every choice in life takes you
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: to the next perfect step. I think sometimes a backward
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: step is also an actual forward step, and so I
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: just recognized, like it showed me so much, how it
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: showed me how much I loved training general population, and
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: how much I loved training all the women that I
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: was training, and how much I loved encouraging them to
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: start moving.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: And so it solidified that.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: But I went through the whole program, got my master's
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: in sports performance, and then social media started coming around
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: at the time, and a friend wanted to be on
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: the cover of a magazine and we were already training together,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: and she was like, well, you start creating content with me,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: and so.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: We did you make it sound like so effortless. It's like,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: so we did at the beginning, knowing your background, and
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: you articulated it this way of perfectionism. How did you
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: feel about creating content from the get go awful.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I did not want I was I didn't want to
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: be on social media. I didn't want people to see me.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I liked to live my life behind the curtains. I
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: wanted nothing to do with it because I didn't I
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: think because I couldn't vocalize at the time. But the
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: fear of judgment and criticism was I was putting myself
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: on display for that. But my friend at the time
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: wanted the cover of a magazine so bad, and I
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: was like, Okay, if this is what you want, Like,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: if this is what you want to do, I will
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: show up and I will do this for you. In
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: the back of my mind, I've also always loved business,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: so when we started creating content really quickly, I was
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: seeing like, okay, one, this is the way that you
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: speak to the masses. Because when we were on Instagram,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: it wasn't big, it wasn't like this huge thing. We
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: were before the wave of Instagram. But I could see
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: right away that it wasn't just our friends and family
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: that were paying attention to what we're doing, Like this
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: was starting to grow and months in we had people
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: all around the world seeing what we were doing and
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: repeating our workouts, and so for me, I was like, oh, okay,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: one my mission of getting the world to move, this
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: is going to be a huge factor in it. And
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: then two, like, this is becoming business. We were getting
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: approached by companies and that's when my light bulbs kind
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: of turned on. So and that's when I started having
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: really a lot of fun with it.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: So, when you start to get approached by companies, what
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: did those conversations look like and where did you get
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: you articulated being really interested in the business side of things,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: But did you have anyone that was a mentor for
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: you when it came to figuring out how to go
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: about establishing these relationships price costing, quoting, prices and whatever
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: comes with that.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: No, And this is where I love talking to like
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: influencers now or people in this world now. I'm like,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: it was literally a shot in the dark for every
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: single thing that we were doing. But it was a
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: shot in the dark for me, and it was a
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: shot in the dark for the companies as well. Because
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: social media was so new, nobody really knew how to
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: regulate anything, nobody knew what to charge for things, and
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: that ended up being a short lived So my friend
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: and I had started Two Bad Bodies that ended up
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: being short lived because she didn't really want it to
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: explode the way that it was, and I was loving it.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: So we went our separate ways, and then I got
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: the taste of being able to do something and really
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: encourage the world to move and turn it possibly into
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: a business, and so the rest is history for me.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: That's when kaisa fit started on social media and it
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: has been a roller coaster ride. It's really testing a
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: lot and seeing what works and figuring out what your
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: worth is. I have a good friend who's in the
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: business as well, and so he's helped me a lot
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: on you know what he charges for things, So it
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: was like we grew up together in this, but there
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: was there were no rules, there was no guidelines, there
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: was no you know, handbook to follow.
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  Speaker 3: What would you say was the biggest challenge at first?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, so many challenges. One the biggest misnomer is
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: that it worked right away. I put my entire business
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: in life on hold for a year and a half.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: I created my own content every single day, So I
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: was working like eighty plus hours a week unpaid because
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: when we went our separate ways, I didn't have a
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: big enough platform for anybody to want to care or
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: pay me anything.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: But I had a vision and a goal. I edited
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: my own content.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: I created all of it, and that was all unpaid,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: And that was all like not a lot of eyes
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: were on me. I go back and I look, and
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: I was so motivated, and like three people saw the video.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: But like, so that was for me. My goal was
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: never to have the biggest following in the world. My
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: goal was always to be able to have a platform
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: that my message could reach more people. And because I
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: was so anchored to that, I was so motivated.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: For so long.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: When I got none of the reward, nothing was coming
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: back to me. I was just still out there every
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: single day asking people favors, like can you film this
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: for me?
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  Speaker 3: Real quick? Like it was a hustle and it was
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: a grind. It was not glorious.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: How did you get over the hurdle of becoming the
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: person in front of the camera. I would imagine this
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: also relating to this idea of having so many eyes
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: on you on social media these days, especially with over
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: a million followers, how have you dealt with maybe unsolicited
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: feedback or the just pressures that.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Can go with people having an opinion on your body.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: So I'm going to take you back a little bit.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: I think my entire life, I knew I had depression anxiety,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: but it was not labeled, and so I had tactics
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: and skills to deal with things. Growing up, I was
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: known as a bitch just because I created a shell
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: that I wanted no one to approach me. I wanted
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: no one to talk to me. I wanted to just
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: go about and do my own thing because it was
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: so much anxiety about how I would show up, how
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: they would judge me, what would I say? And so
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: I literally like, that's what I was known for in
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: high school and in college, and so taking that in
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: a positive spin to it, when I went on social media,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: I created an alter ego.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: So kaisafit is my alter ego. It's like my Sosha fears.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: And so she was something that I could like stand
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: behind and she was like the best.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: She still today is the best version of myself.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I try to live up to be kais of fit
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: in all of my life, but she is the best
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: version of myself. So I think for me, I started
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: to learn ways to cope with how I was going
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: to handle all the pressure. But I was not going
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: to allow it to hold me back. And that is
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: one thing I'm always so proud of, and so I
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: knew I had to have tools in my belt to
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: like be able to work through this. And it was
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: definitely it was creating the ulter ego. And I didn't
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: realize that until recently when I've started to do a
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: lot more deep diving work into myself. But yeah, it's
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: been the alter ego and she's been there this whole time.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I feel like someone listening to this, here's the deep
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: dive work into myself and wants to know more about that.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Can you talk about that a little? Yeah.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: The deep I mean deep dive work for me is therapy.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: We all went through a difficult time during the pandemic.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I went through a very difficult time both family, life, business,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: all of the things. And I kind of just came
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: out of that in January of this year and just
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: recognize like I know now when I start to spiral,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I've done enough work to start to realize, like things
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: are getting dark and they can get really dark, and
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: before they get really dark, you got to start pulling
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: yourself out and having the tools to do that.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: And so the deep dive has.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Been in more therapy and more regular therapy every single
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: week and really working on that, and also just very
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: intentional movement and being in a space where I feel
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: very taken care of right now now. The place that
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: my coach and the place that I move is amazing
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: and has been life changing for.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Me during the pandemic.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Reflecting on how difficult it's been, you mentioned having a
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: hard time talk to us about where you were with
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: your business at the beginning of twenty twenty.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: So the beginning of twenty twenty, just Move actually wasn't
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: even created. It was still the vision, but we were
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: selling single products of me in hopes to kind of
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: like be able to put my products out there and
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: have people interested in what I was doing before we
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: went to a full platform. And then twenty twenty happened
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: and everybody wanted to work out at home, and we
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: were perfectly set up for that to happen, and so
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: for the next two years, I was experiencing life very
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: different than my family and my friends and most of
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: the world around me because I had never been busier,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: and so it was such a disconnect.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: I had never been busier. Nobody could relate.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I had never been busier, So I'd never been more
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: unhealthy because I had no time to take care of myself.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: And so just this massive separation of my body and
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: myself started to happen. And it wasn't until late late
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: last year. It wasn't until I got COVID in December
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: of this past year that things had to stop and
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: I had to be like I am so I am
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: in a dark place like this, I am not healthy.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: This is not good.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: And if I don't recognize that, I'm in a place
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: that can go deeper. Right now, like this is going
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: to get bad and I have to make some adjustments.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: And so that's when I started making some adjustments, and
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: we're coming out of it. We're coming out of it.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: What did not healthy look like for you? Absolutely no
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: energy to do anything. I'm very extreme in general, but
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: when I have no energy and no motivation to even move,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: then I know that things are going not so well.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: But because I am moving twenty four to seven, It's
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: like you could have seen this happening a mile away,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You could have seen this
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: all happening, And it wasn't until COVID where I wasn't
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: allowed out of my house so I wasn't allowed any
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: distractions and I had to sit there with myself. And
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: you could say I didn't have energy because of COVID,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: but I didn't have energy before that to do anything.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: And also there's a lot of pressure on social media.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I want to show up for people as the best
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: version of myself every single day. If I'm putting content
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: out there, I want that content to be uplifting, and
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: I had no energy to put content out and I
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: think all of it started to be massive red flags
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: for me.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and as someone who feels so passionate and is
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: such an authentic human, I would imagine that that felt
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: really frustrating and challenging to feel as though you can't.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Show up so icky. It felt it felt false, It
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: felt so fake. And I feel like I've prided myself
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: over the course of being on social being just real
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: and just showing up as myself and so yeah, it
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: felt it felt like I needed to have like a
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: come to Jesus moment with myself and with the team
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: on Social and just be like, here's really where I'm at,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: and we're gonna work through this together.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: You're gonna watch my journey. You know.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: People have an expectation of how I am and think
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: that that's just like so easy for me to show
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: up every single day, work my ass off with a smile,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: and it's so it's important to start getting real.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Oh so, you're so much more relatable when you're real.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: That's the other thing. I'm like. That was what started
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: to get so frustrated with me.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: I'm like, how are you showing up every single day
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: with a fake smile and trying to act like everything's
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: okay when the rest of the world is also probably
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: dealing with shit, Like, show up real, Kaisa, tell them
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: that you're.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Dealing with shit.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Tell them that shit's hard right now, Like, be real,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: how did that go for you?
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: Great?
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: I mean the team on Social I have the best
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: community on Social. People are incredible, Like that's the thing
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I always am, Like, my mind is blown by how
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: supportive the team on Social is. They are the reason
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: why I've gotten through so many things in my life
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: and they will never know, but like they are always
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: so powerful and so supportive and I wouldn't be here
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: without them.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, can you give us some insight as to how
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: that conversation went and maybe what's some of the feed.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just the conversation. I think it
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: has started throughout the pandemic. I started talking about self love.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: I thought, I started talking about going through a hard time,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: and I started opening up a bit more. And for me,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: it's I'm connecting in the way that they're commenting or
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: direct messaging me, and so that's how I'm connecting, and
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: that's how I'm seeing and I'm just answering back and
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: I'm talking to people. And that's when I really started
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: to realize, like people need to hear this message because
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: they're we're all going through this together.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: We're all going through this.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: And when somebody can out loud say this is where
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I'm at and you can connect with them, you then
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: feel connected. You don't feel like you're on your own,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: like isolated on an island. And so I think for me,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: I realized like I felt alone a lot. I know
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: this might sound crazy, but I feel I felt so
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: much more connected to people even though it was through
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: a screen, even though it was through Instagram, and that
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: started to help me pull out as well.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: I love that. I love to hear that.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally co sign this idea that like perfection
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: isn't relatable, vulnerability is relatable. So getting to this place
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: where we step down and like sometimes it can get
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: easy to like put this front on because it's easier
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: than confronting how you really feel.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's for me, the thing is I
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: have to go back and be okay with it all
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: because I wasn't ready. I wasn't in a space to
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: be able to actually deal with you know, how dark
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: things were what I was going through, And so I
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: know now I just have a little grace for myself
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: and you go through it when you're ready to go
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: through it. But it's a reminder to me to always
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: be as open and honest as I'm comfortable being. And
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: the team has always been there to support and friends
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: and family are always there to support as well.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: So as you're going through these health struggles of sorts,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: what's your relationship.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Like with your diet? So my relationship with my diet.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: I always say like I don't care, I'll eat whatever,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: whatever is in front of my face, I'll eat. But
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: during the pandemic one, I don't really enjoy cooking. And
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: during the pandemic, when I was so busy, I was
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: eating out like uber eating uber eating every single day,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: sometimes twice a day, which no matter what you're getting,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: like it's that's just not a healthy way to eat.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: And so that was really difficult. My body didn't feel
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: good with all of that. And then also I like
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: to escape. I like to drink, and I like to party,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: and when things are getting really rough, like that's also
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: something I turned to. So for me, it's like I
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: know when my behavior starts to change in this way,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: I know what's coming. It just takes a lot for
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: me to then have a moment to pause and reflect
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: and look at it.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: But I know all the trickling effects of everything.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: So one thing for me that when I start to
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: spiral that way, like alcohol, like I start to just
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: try to remove one thing. Alcohol is an easy thing
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: for me to remove and to start looking at things clearly.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: I started having somebody help me with food, so I
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: have food in my fridge, so I'm not uber eating. Like,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: it's just tools that I have in my tool belt,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: and they're different for everybody, but it's just things that
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I can go to to help kind of like pull
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: me out of where I'm headed.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because that like hurtle moment, that turnaround point that
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: you turn can be really debilidating.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and and it takes me a long time
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: to get there. I will know in my mind, like
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: I will be like, oh, oh oh, we're spiraling right now,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Like we are spiraling, this is this isn't going good.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: It could be a year like I knew I was spiraling.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: It takes a long time to get to the point
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: where like something is either the final straw or there's
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: enough thing's going on. A lot of times it's my
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: body feels something, so I'm like in pain or I'm tired,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I don't have and I like get sick of that feeling.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: But there's a lot of those like kind of bottom
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: moments for me that start to realize I got to
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: change something.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: Also change one thing. That's what I've learned over the years.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Do not change everything, change one thing and start to
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: see how like pay attention to how that starts to
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: either give you more energy or creates a rippling effect
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: of things. Alcohol for some reason, like because it's such
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: a go to that was an easy thing for me.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: But it's also kind of protecting my space, not going
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: out as much, staying home more and just trying to
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: work through some things on my own.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and as you mentioned, the idea of the toolkit
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: is really really important when you reflect on your current toolkit,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: what's in there to help you show up regularly, whether
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: it's journaling or like even specific products.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Where would you.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Get My toolkit right now is movement, which is my
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: coach and going to that space. And I have a
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: coach because I know that there's a lot of pressure
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: around creating my own programming, and then also accountability. My
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: life is very very busy, and it's really easy to
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: not show up for myself. It's really easy to put
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: myself last. And so I have a coach because I
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: am accountable to him and I will show up for him.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I have therapy, Like I said, that's been huge for
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: me the past four months. I've had therapy throughout my
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: entire life, but for the past four months that's been
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: a game changer nutrition for me. I have someone helping
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: make me food, which is huge.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Sleep.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Like, there's a lot of easy things that we can
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: do tools that don't require you know, money, sleep, hydration.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: So it's like, I really just try to focus on
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: the daily things, the simple things that I can do.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: I am trying to work on sitting still a little
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: bit more. But I'm not a meditator. I think I
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: meditate through movement. I'm not a calm person. So that
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: doesn't that's not going over so well, not going over
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: so well.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, So a lot of really basic things in the toolkit,
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: and to your point earlier, one thing at a time.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: If all of these things sound like they could be
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: beneficial for you, the listener and spoiler alert, they are,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: there's no need to implement them all at once.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: So if you want to get better with your sleep,
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: start there before.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: You also pick up your journal, pick up a movement practice,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: think about what's in your fridge, break things up into
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: little doables so that they don't feel completely overwhelming.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's huge because you can tend
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: to make like somebody could make up a whole story
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: about like I've got it all perfectly and I'm doing
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: it right.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: Like because you could see that from outside world, not
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: at all. I'm working on one thing at a time.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Once I get that one thing and it's going well,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to add one more thing. Like for minor
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: little example supplementation, I've been knowing I need to add
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: a few more things, but it's overwhelming. It has been
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: to look at all the supplements. But now that I
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: have my food, now that I have my sleep, now
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: that I have my movement, the past few months, I've
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: been like, I can add my supplementation. That's something I
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: can handle right now. So it's really just about knowing yourself,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: knowing what you can do. My first step is always
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: into movement, but that might not be your first step,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Like maybe it is sleep, maybe it's better nutrition or
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: proper hydration. Like just find something that's doable for you
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: and not overwhelming. What does supplementation look like for you
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: these days?
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: Oh it's a lot.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: But I'm working with thorn supplements and like I'm always
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: have been so hesitant about supplements because I just it's
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: very gimmicky and I'm just not about that. And I
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: think you can get a lot of your nutrients from
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: your food. But thirty six. I want to stay moving
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: and feeling good forever, and Thorn has just continuously come
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: highly recommended. So I've been working with them now for
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: the past four months on supplementation and I can't give
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: them all the credit because I think it's a handful
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: of things, but I feel phenomenal and it's made a
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: huge difference. But I've also you know, added more movement,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: better nutrition and hydration, all the things, but supplementation has
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: been at the top of the list in.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Terms of like what types of supplement are supplements are
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: you taking? Are you taking like a multivitamin, are you
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: taking fish oil?
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: Like what are we leaving?
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: So I'm taking a lot And because it's overwhelming, I
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: actually created a page on my website to have the
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: top five that are recommended from their brilliant team, and
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: so we have them like I have their recovery protein,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: their catallite which is their electrolytes, their multi vitamin, their
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: amino complex, and they're creating are the top five if
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: you are a big mover, and then from there it's
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: all going to be suggested out. But because supplements are like,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: oh my god, it's so debilitating, Like am I supposed
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: to take a million things.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: No, you don't have to start there at all. Right,
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: And I see you sitting there with a C four can.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: What's the deal with the C four I feel like
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: I've been seeing a lot about it on social.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: I know everyone's like, how do you get through your workouts?
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, my C four Energy, I just am
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: somebody like I have the brand C four in general.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: They are so fun to work with and their product
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: I've been using for years and so it's like a
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: perfect partnership for me. And they're just a really fun brand,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Like we meet energy to energy and their products are awesome.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Obviously I love them. You'll see them in all my
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: videos and so I've gotten the whole team on our
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: C four Energy. But you know, we're trying to do
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: a lot in life and I need some energy to
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: carry me through.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: I was like, I just need to comment on this can.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Now I'm seeing you sip as we sit here. You're like,
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: this is actually my secret super power drink that helps
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: me get through everything everything I have going on. So,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: like we said, pandemic was a hard time, lots of
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: challenges coming out of it. Now, when you think about
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: what excites you for you and your business at this point,
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: where are you going?
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: What's on deck?
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing that excites me is getting
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: the world to move and getting more people into movement
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: every single day.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: That's always been the thing that's excited me.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: It's always been the thing that's gotten me out of
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: bed every single morning.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: It's also for me really.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Recognizing that in as an industry as a whole, we
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: don't help encourage people to start their movement journey. And
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: so that's really what I'm focusing on as well, is
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: helping people understand you have a body, you are a mover.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: And I think in general, the fitness industry tends to
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: focus on people that are already moving, and I love
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: focusing on those people, but I really want people who
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: have never moved before, who are possibly in pain, who
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: don't know what to do. I want them to have
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: a place to go to. And that is what we're
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: trying to build with Just Move and my start Moving level.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: I want to.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Ask you on like a woman to woman level female
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: entrepreneur level, I to can sympathize and relate to this
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: idea of putting myself last, it gets.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: To be really easy.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: How do you find the time or make the time
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: to give back to you, and what do you feel
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: like maybe something that you've sacrificed when it comes to
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: building your brand.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to start with the sacrifice. I've sacrificed everything.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: I think this is the thing where when people from
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: the outside world and you can tell yourself your own
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: stories and they maybe look at what I do and
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: think that they want that. I've given up almost everything
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: in my life to be here, like relationships. So you know,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: my siblings are all married and there's children and everything
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: going on, and then they look at my life and
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: I'm like, my business is my baby.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: It has been my entire life.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: I work twenty four to seven, so you know, my
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: friend group is very small. I get to travel a
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: little bit, but I don't do a ton of crazy
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: things just for pleasure, even though I love what I do,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: So that is what brings me a lot of joy.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: But I've sacrificed.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: I would say everything, everything to be at this point,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: and I would do it again.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: It's not a negative. I would do it again.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: I would do it over and over and over again
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: because I absolutely love what I do and I love
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: the challenge of trying to get more and more people
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: into movement, and I love what it means when people
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: start their movement journey and how much that transforms their lives,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: and I'm motivated by that every single day. I think
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: in terms of prioritizing myself again, it goes back to
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: I hired a coach because I know that I will
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: be accountable to him. I think when it's prioritizing yourself,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: you have to be very realistic with yourself.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: You have to know yourself.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: I will not make time for myself unless it's on
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: the calendar and I'm accountable to somebody because at the
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: end of the day, every damsels to end my day
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: with a ten minute don't do anything, just breathe for
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: my therapist, and I don't do it because she's not
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: here leading me through it. And so like, now I
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: know myself and rather than beating myself up, I'm like,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: I have now scheduled and a point with her every
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: single week. I have my trainer every single week, I
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: have somebody helping with nutrition. So I just do what
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: I set myself up for success. I do what works
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: for me, and I try not to judge it and
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: I try not to analyze it, and I just know
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: what works for me, and I stay moving with that.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: For someone listening to this who resonates with your message
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: of the importance of just beginning, of just starting, they
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: may feel a little intimidated on it, but they really
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: do want to give it a whole hearted go. What
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: advice do you offer to that.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: I I first want to say, you go, and you
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: got this, and it is just about getting started. The
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: number one thing I say is, even though you want
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: to start your movement journey, not every single day do
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: you have to move. But what you have to do
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: is carve out two minutes three minutes every single day
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: to just take a minute. You can be sitting in
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: your chair, you could be stretching, you can be breathing,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: but you have to start forming the habit and then
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: from there the habit will grow. And when you are
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: ready for that habit to grow, go to start moving
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: dot com because I've got.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: You covered like I am here for you.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: And the number one thing with moving is most of
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: the time people who are not moving a lot are
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: in pain. And the misnomer here is that if you
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: start moving, you're gonna be in more pain.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: But it's exact opposite.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: You're probably in a lot of pain because your joints
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: are not moving, and so we're gonna start moving very gently.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Most of our workouts start actually in a chair, so
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: I've got you covered, and then from there you're gonna
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: build up your strength and you're gonna be really empowered
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: and what your body can do, and the rest is history.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: You can do anything you want. Who empowers you aside
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: from your community.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say it's the team. It's the team
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: on social media. I get so much energy from that team,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: and I'm so motivated to continue to show up for them.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: I'm so motivated to be my best version, the best
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: version of myself for them.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: So it's one hundred percent of the team hand in
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: hand with building your business.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of people you turn to every
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: now and again for advice. If you have to reflect
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: on the best advice that you've been offered as an entrepreneur,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: what comes to mind.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: I think the best advice I've gotten is there's no
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: right way. So for me, as a perfectionist, I'm constantly thinking.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: I'm constantly thinking I'm dumb. I don't have the answers
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: I can't do this. What am I doing? How did
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: I get here? I shouldn't be here? And the best
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: advice that I keep getting from somebody that's very important
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: to me is there's absolutely no right way. You're here
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: for a reason. You've gotten this far. There's more to go,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: and you're doing it right. Like, look back and reflect.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Don't keep looking forward all the time. Look back and
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: reflect at what you've achieved, Be proud of that, use
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: that as fuel to move forward. And you don't have
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: to be like anybody else, because you're not like anybody else.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: You touched on before, the idea that the journey isn't
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: necessarily linear, I would assume, and I know because this
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: is how it is.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: That there have.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Certainly been some tear filled professional setbacks as you've been
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: building your brand. What did you look to How have
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: you had to pick yourself up when those difficult moments
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: have struck for you?
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: That is an awesome question.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: I think the truth is is that I'm so anchored
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: in my purpose, in my mission that the entire roller
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: coaster ride is worth it, and that when it gets really,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: really low, I just go back to that. Like, when
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: it gets low could mean a deal fell through. Could
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: mean you know, sales are not what they should be.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: It could mean so many things. But if my ultimate
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: goal is to get the world to move, and I'm
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: attached to that always, and I can attach back to
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: that as fuel, then I can weather any storm and
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: I can get through anything. And I think for me,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: that's just kind of always been that anchoring part that
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: pulls me through.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: The most important takeaway that I offer to whoever will
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: listen is that getting through doesn't mean not having those
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: moments of sadness or giving yourself a second to mourn
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: your hard work that didn't pan out as you'd hoped.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: You get to do that, but then you also get
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: the opportunity to pick yourself up and keep going.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and there are lessons I really try to look,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: I mean pause when something happens.
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: I go through all the emotions. I do not try
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: to ignore them.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: I definitely go through being super upset or disappointed, but
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: I also try to reflect on like what is this
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Am I supposed to go through a different door? Is
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: this trying to lead me somewhere else? And just like
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: I said before, I've had so many opportunities in my
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: life where you would think that a forward step looked
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: like this, and you would think that a backward step
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: looked like this, But what looked backwards was propelled me
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: like slingshotted me so far forward. So I do try
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: to look at things in life as like lessons, and
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: once I've gotten through the emotion, try to analyze them
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: and just see if it's trying to push me in
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: a different direction.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: Right, like why is this happening for you?
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: As a question, I'm always asking myself, even when what's
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: happening is nothing that I wanted.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: It was so much of what we've envisioned. I know
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: where I want to go, I do not know how
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: I'm going to get there. Like I say all the time,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: I know the type of cake I want to bake,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: I have no idea what the recipe is, And I'm
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: okay with it switching up and I'm okay as long
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: as I'm anchored to the right end point. I'm okay
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: with things taking a lot of detours or going a
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: different route because I've started to realize it's only my
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: ego in here that says the route has to be
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: this way. So I'm starting to be a lot more
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: flexible with We're gonna bend and turn and twist and
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: go all over as long as we all know we're
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: going for this end goal.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: When someone comes to your Instagram page, they see a
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: woman that is followed by many, who loves to work out,
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: has her ms and exercise science. When you look in
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: the mirror, what is it that you see looking back
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: at you.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's gonna make me emotional.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: Well, when I look in the mirror, in all honesty,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, we got a lot of work to do.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: We're trying to get the whole world to move.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: We're not there yet, but I do try to reflect,
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: and in moments like this, I do appreciate you bring
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: that up because I do reflect on like I never
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: in a million years would have thought that I would
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: have been here through everything that I've gone through. I
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: never in a million years could say, I mean, technically,
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: I am a professional athlete because I move and I
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: get paid for it.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: So that is like one bucketless item that I'm always like.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh, you had no idea how it was
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: going to happen, but you are officially here and I'm
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: so proud of that. And then also just that I've
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: I've created a platform that encourages the world to move,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: which was always my goal and my passion, and that
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: is what I'm going to continue doing.
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: You're wearing a sweatshirt right now that says I am
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: more than my body.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: If you had to call out some of the characteristics
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: that you have that make you truly proud of who
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: you've become, what would those be?
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think my biggest characteristic is the fact
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: that I never get up give up. I think my
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: biggest characteristic is that I'm a hard worker. At the
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: end of the day, I don't take no for an answer,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: and I believe in myself. It's been many, many years
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: of working on myself, but I believe in myself. And
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: I think I'm you know, uniquely me and starting to
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: become more and more proud of that. But yeah, I
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: think I've gotten to where I've gotten today because I.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: Have a tough shell.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: I have a very very soft right below the shell
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: is very soft and very sensitive. But I'm willing to
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: put in a lot of work. I'm willing to do
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of the things that a lot of people
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: don't want to do because I am so attached to
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: my mission and my purpose and why I think I'm
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: even here on this earth.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: The last thing that I want to touch on with
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: you here today is injury. I know that you have
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: gone through a few major ones as someone who is
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: so passionate about movement, who really credits it as the
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: thing that keeps her saying, talk to me about how
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: challenging some of these major injuries have been for you
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: and what were they?
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so injuries have always been have always plagued me.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: The more you move, the more you're going to have injuries.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: But there always something that allows me to have a
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: total shift in what's going on in my life. So
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: I think the biggest injury for me was when I
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: broke my leg, and that was that was like six
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: or seven years years ago, and it was just when
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: social media was starting and I was on my own,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: and I was thinking, this is over, Like everything I've
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: worked for is over if I can't if I don't.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: Have a leg that works right now, how am.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: I going to create workout videos? So at a very deep,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: dark moment, and then I realize I can do a
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: lot of movement on one leg and with my corn
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: with my upper body, and that ended up kind of
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: catapulting me, because then I became the crazy lady with
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: a pink cast that was doing you know, movements. But
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: in that moment, I had a conversation with myself that
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: recognized that I was not listening to her, I was
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: not taking care of her. My leg was broken because
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: that was a final thing for my body to get
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: me to sit down on my couch and listen to her.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: But there were a lot of things that were happening
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: before that, and so I literally had a conversation with
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: my leg and I said, if you heal faster than
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: the doctor said you're gonna heal, I promise I will
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: take care of you. I will listen to you, I
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: will do anything that you need, and I will put
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: you first for the rest of my life. And I
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: have done that and I have taken care of her.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: And I just had this conversation where I looked at
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: my body as something other than me, and I looked
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: at like, she is my best friend and I need
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: her to get through this life. And if I don't
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: start honoring her and listening to her and taking care
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: of her, she will not be able to show up
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: for me. And so that was the biggest turning point
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: for me. And then I've had many injuries along the road,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: nothing as major, but I just think injuries now, like
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're like positive, but they are a
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: moment to reflect. There are a moment to look at
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: some other things that are going on in life. There
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: are a moment, you know, where your body just gets
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: to slow you down and have you, you know, look
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: around and see what else you could possibly be working on.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: I've been dealing with a little bit of like planter
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: fasci itis, which is like the sexiest term, isn't it
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: like planter or fasci itis. But I feel like I
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: have been thinking of her as you put it the
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: same way. And also you know how people talk to
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: plants and they grow better. I'm like, oh, if I
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: just speak kindly toward the direction of my right heel,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: then we're gonna be all good. Emily, that like totally
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: makes my day.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: It is. It is why I started the eye am
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: more than my body.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: And I know that sounds like a negative, but it
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: was to help I use it for me, but it's
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: to help people understand that you are one thing. Your
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: body is another thing. She it They are always listening
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: to you. So when you have this negative self talk,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: whatever's going on in your head, when you define your
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: body by simply what it looks like all of these things,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: your body is absorbing all of that. And so I
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: actively have my client's practice, and not in a gimmicky way,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: not in standing in front of the mirror and being
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: like I love myself, not that, just like one positive
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: thing you can say, or if a negative thought goes through,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: then can you switch that and say something For me,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: I have some big ass arms. It's always a thing.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, those arms are huge. And then
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, and that's why you can do these
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: crazy pull ups and push up. You know. It's like
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: changing that thought process. And just like I do reps
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: in the gym, I do reps with my positive self
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: talk all the time. But I think it makes a
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: huge difference. So I would say, keep on with that.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: We love a positive self talk rep, but not in
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: a gimmicky way.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: That's where I'm like, it's not calling you, no, I'm
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: with you. I'm with you because i I'm with yeah.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: Because I'm like, the whole self love culture turns into
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: this like where it just becomes fake and you're not
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: actually connected. But I think if you can start to
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: appreciate your body as like your best friend, I think
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: that relationship really takes a turn in a positive direction.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: All right, Guisa, Right now you have an opportunity to
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  Speaker 2: give yourself a piece of advice, looking back at the
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  Speaker 2: hurdle moment, which was back in high school, pulling yourself
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  Speaker 2: out of that negative self talk spiral, finding some purpose
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  Speaker 2: with the knowledge that you have. Now, what advice do
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  Speaker 2: you give yourself that is so hard?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think I would have just given myself
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  Speaker 1: a hug. I would have just given myself some love.
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  Speaker 1: I would have just showed up for myself in a
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  Speaker 1: very different way. And I always look back at young
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  Speaker 1: Kais and I'm like, oh, always feel so I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: oh God, it's so dark and sad. I'm like, I
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  Speaker 1: wish I could have just been there to be like,
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  Speaker 1: you are going to make it, and you are going
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  Speaker 1: to do epic things, and you are so worth all
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  Speaker 1: of this, and the journey is so incredibly hard right now.
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  Speaker 1: But because you're going through these low lows, you are
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  Speaker 1: going to be able to go to some high highs.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna be able to take that story with you
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  Speaker 1: and show up in so many different ways for people.
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  Speaker 1: So just like, stay with this, just stay with this,
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  Speaker 1: because I wouldn't, honestly, Emily, I wouldn't go back and
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  Speaker 1: change anything because all of those lessons taught me so
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  Speaker 1: much about myself, taught me what I could work through,
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  Speaker 1: what I could go through. It taught me to relate
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  Speaker 1: to other people in a very different way. So I
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  Speaker 1: think I would just I would just give her the
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  Speaker 1: biggest hug and say, like, you're gonna make it, just
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  Speaker 1: like keep going one step in front of the other.
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  Speaker 2: One step in front of the other. Kaisa, I'm so
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  Speaker 2: glad that we were able to do this. If they
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  Speaker 2: don't follow you yet, how do the hurdlers keep up
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  Speaker 2: with you?
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  Speaker 3: How do they follow along with you? Give me all
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  Speaker 3: the details.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you can come move with me on just move
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  Speaker 1: dot com, and you can come hang out with me
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  Speaker 1: on social media, which is caise of fits, and if
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  Speaker 1: you have any questions, like, I am the one that
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  Speaker 1: runs my social I'm in my DMS all the time,
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  Speaker 1: so just hit me up if any questions or you know,
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  Speaker 1: want to talk to me about something, just hit me up.
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  Speaker 2: I'm over at Hurdle Podcast and at Emily a Body,
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  Speaker 2: another hurdle conquered.
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  Speaker 3: Catch you guys next time.