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The Late Debate | 27 April · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome the wait wait, hello, and welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Dankai Giorgio tonight, joined by Caleb Bond and Jebatonini.
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  Speaker 1: Hi to both of you, great, great to me.
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  Speaker 2: I can I just say that Caleb gave us a
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  Speaker 2: wonderful rendition of Chantilly Lace by the Big Bopper before
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  Speaker 2: we went to air tonight.
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  Speaker 3: It's the Big Boppers.
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  Speaker 4: If you can, I can give you more later, if
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  Speaker 4: you know, you give me a few drinks shots later.
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  Speaker 1: But boom. It was very jukebox Saturday night vibe.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I quite like it. Probably helped because I was
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  Speaker 4: off last week with a cold that my voice is
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  Speaker 4: just a little bit hoarse, so you can get into those,
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  Speaker 4: you know, hullo boomby anyway, the Big Bopper. Maybe I've
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  Speaker 4: got a new career on the horizon.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if this doesn't work out for you, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I feel like, you guys are just the epitome
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  Speaker 2: of optimism right now.
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  Speaker 1: I try and give we try and give Caleb the benefits.
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  Speaker 5: That participation meddal you just gave him.
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  Speaker 2: Always I always give caleber participation medal.
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  Speaker 3: I don't do any more of that, Lea.
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  Speaker 5: I was just impressed that a you knew the song
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  Speaker 5: and the words by wrote, and we joined.
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  Speaker 1: And we joined. It was very sweet.
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  Speaker 2: James, James has no idea, James, if it's not Billy
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  Speaker 2: Jarley's got no idea all right?
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  Speaker 1: Coming up on the show Night, rah.
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  Speaker 2: Dulls much loved classic for twits targeted by the left
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  Speaker 2: Ford get Ready for it discrimination towards men with beards.
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  Speaker 2: Will ask this bearded man on the paddel what he
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  Speaker 2: thinks are US Brewery, known for promising free beer when
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump dies, is under fire for a social media
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  Speaker 2: post after the assassination attempt, and would you buy this?
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 2: Is it a fluffy unicorn beast of a car? This
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  Speaker 2: is actually a new model V out of China first tonight.
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  Speaker 2: You may have noticed the Royal Australian Air Force an
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  Speaker 2: Zat Day flyover looked a little bit different this year
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  Speaker 2: because Defense has cut its participation in public air events
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  Speaker 2: because of fuel costs. Now, the flyover at the MCG
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  Speaker 2: ahead of the AFL match between Essendon and Collingwood in
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  Speaker 2: voted one aircraft from the rulettes instead of the full
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  Speaker 2: contingent of six. Spokeswoman confirmed to the Australian Defense remains
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  Speaker 2: committed to upcoming exercises such as Rimpack, which is a
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  Speaker 2: major bi annual maritime warfare training event held in Hawaii,
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  Speaker 2: and Exercise Pitch Black, a bi annual air warfare exercise
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  Speaker 2: in Northern Australia. But she said the cuts were quote
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  Speaker 2: to ensure responsible fuel usage in the current circumstances. Opposition
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  Speaker 2: Defense spokesman James Patterson said it would be deeply concerning
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  Speaker 2: for our military preparedness if the ADF were also forced
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  Speaker 2: to ration fuel for training exercises. Now Defense are also
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  Speaker 2: telling staff to cut back on work travel on commercial airlines.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm all for that, obviously.
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of companies around the country have
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  Speaker 2: had to make cuts here and there.
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  Speaker 1: Because of fuel. My concern is, and I don't like this.
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  Speaker 2: I think ANZAC Day is one day, one day of
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  Speaker 2: the year, where we get to stand remember in soity,
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  Speaker 2: those who fought for us, those who died paid the
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  Speaker 2: ultimate price, and.
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  Speaker 1: Also those who continue to do so.
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  Speaker 2: I think surely on one day of the year, notwithstanding
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  Speaker 2: the current fuel situation, that we can say no, you
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  Speaker 2: know what, let's have the full contingent, Let's do it properly,
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  Speaker 2: Let's honor everybody, the best that we can. Secondly, the
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  Speaker 2: other problem that I have with this is what sort
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  Speaker 2: of a message is this sending now to our enemies overseas.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure that China's not sitting there going, oh,
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  Speaker 2: we better cut back on one aircraft here or there.
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  Speaker 2: They're probably going fantastic. We know that Australia is really
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  Speaker 2: running lower fuel right now, terrific. And that's my worry, really, Caleb,
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  Speaker 2: that they might laugh at us, look at this and
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  Speaker 2: going that's a weak point in their defense.
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  Speaker 4: I think they've been doing that for years. It probably
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  Speaker 4: made very little difference what happened on Anzac Day. I
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  Speaker 4: didn't think g woke up when we decided that we
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  Speaker 4: were going to lower the standards to let more women
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  Speaker 4: into the military and said, oh my god, how are
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  Speaker 4: we ever going to cope with this? I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's been going on for more than a decade, right,
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  Speaker 4: But I can understand why the boffins at the ADF
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  Speaker 4: might have run the ruler over it and gone, well,
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  Speaker 4: if we've got X amount of fuel available to us,
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  Speaker 4: why would we use that on Anzac Day?
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  Speaker 3: For what is a public display a bit of.
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  Speaker 4: Rah rah instead of something that otherwise might be useful
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  Speaker 4: for a defense capability, capability or a military exercise, or
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  Speaker 4: something that they actually have to do as opposed to
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  Speaker 4: a public performance. You know, I wish we weren't in
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  Speaker 4: a position where they had to make those decisions, and
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  Speaker 4: thanks to the federal government, successive federal governments, it should
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  Speaker 4: be noted. But I can understand why they've done it.
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  Speaker 4: Why would you fly an extra plane if you don't
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  Speaker 4: have to in a fuel crisis because you may need
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  Speaker 4: that fuel for something else.
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  Speaker 5: Because you're signaling to your enemies that as you're an
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  Speaker 5: absolute pain out of a state that can't you even
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  Speaker 5: make sure that there's a fuel supply. Everything you've said
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  Speaker 5: is rationally correct. Everything you've said is rationally correct. The
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  Speaker 5: one rule atte one of those flights over the ANZAC
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  Speaker 5: day Game. I know, I know that you know it's
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  Speaker 5: the cosmetic. I understand what you're saying, But I do
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  Speaker 5: think there's a time where you go, all right, instead
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  Speaker 5: of doing that, why don't we cut back on the
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  Speaker 5: government jet the government jets? There must be something No,
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  Speaker 5: I know, I know it's.
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  Speaker 1: Not the diffence.
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  Speaker 3: I've got to deal with what they've got in front.
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  Speaker 5: Of right, right, You're absolutely right, and so that was
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  Speaker 5: a terrible argument. I need to retract it. As you
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  Speaker 5: were reading that story, Janiko, as we were reading it before.
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  Speaker 5: Imagine if you're sitting like your point, you're sitting here
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  Speaker 5: in China, you're sitting in Russia, you're sitting in Iran,
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  Speaker 5: like we've expelled the Iranian ambassador, and they're sitting over
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  Speaker 5: there going they can't even guarantee enough fuel to do
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  Speaker 5: ceremonial crap, let alone defend their nation. Meantime, you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's been uncovered that the Iranian regime is trying to
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  Speaker 5: recruit martyrs from within Australia, and we're like, oh, I
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  Speaker 5: don't have enough fuel to make them, you know, to
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  Speaker 5: do the ceremonial stuff. And that speaks it's always the
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  Speaker 5: thing behind the thing. It's always the thing underneath the thing.
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  Speaker 5: It's not the that, Okay, we're cutting back and we're
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  Speaker 5: being responsible, it's the fact that we're in this position
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  Speaker 5: in the first place, which is such a failure of government.
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  Speaker 5: It's such a failure of management, it's such a failure
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  Speaker 5: of so many people.
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  Speaker 1: Totally, and I agree this is a perception, right.
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  Speaker 2: And the other issue is you've now got Pennywong who's
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  Speaker 2: traveling to China, Japan and Korea for part two of
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  Speaker 2: the Labor government's begging for fuel tour. I mean they're
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  Speaker 2: flying here, there, and everywhere on a jet engine trying
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  Speaker 2: to fill up our a cap exactly, cap in hand,
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  Speaker 2: literally begging, trying to shore up our fuel supplies. But
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  Speaker 2: we're now saying, well, that's okay, but we've got defense
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  Speaker 2: having to cut back. I honestly just think, Caleb, it's
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  Speaker 2: one day of the year, one day, one day where
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  Speaker 2: we can just pause. Why not just have the flyover properly.
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  Speaker 2: It's once, it's once.
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  Speaker 4: But from the military's perspective, from the eightyf perspective, what
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  Speaker 4: you are asking them to do is to effectively cover
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  Speaker 4: up for the failures of government.
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  Speaker 3: It's not their job to do.
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  Speaker 1: I agree. I'm not arguing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not arguing with what It's got nothing to do
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  Speaker 2: with defense. The errors made by this Labour government have
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  Speaker 2: nothing to do with the defense. This is a flow
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  Speaker 2: on effect from Labour's critical errors. I'm not saying that right,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm just saying it is one day now.
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  Speaker 1: I obviously do agree. I do agree with.
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  Speaker 2: James Patterson that if this turns into fuel rationing for
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  Speaker 2: the defense, we are absolutely buggered, right we may as well,
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  Speaker 2: it's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 5: Do we know for certain that the decision to not
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  Speaker 5: do the flyovers was material in the sense that if
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  Speaker 5: they did the flyovers the normal way that they did them,
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  Speaker 5: they would therefore not be able to participate in those
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  Speaker 5: military exercises. We don't know that they're just being cautious.
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  Speaker 5: An abundance of caution well.
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  Speaker 4: Of course, But I don't blame them for having an
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  Speaker 4: abundance of caution. Oh my god, abundance of caution.
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  Speaker 3: We don't pull that from those dews.
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  Speaker 4: Do not take me back. But we might be heading
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  Speaker 4: there if we have rationing. But you could understand why
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  Speaker 4: they would have an abundance of caution right now, because
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  Speaker 4: if we do go to fuel rationing, the military will
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  Speaker 4: have to think about every leta of fuel that it uses,
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  Speaker 4: because it too, presumably would face a level of respiptric
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  Speaker 4: like everyone else. So if they are saying, not firing
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  Speaker 4: up a few planes on Anzac Day means we'll have
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  Speaker 4: a few more thousand leaders in the tank if and
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  Speaker 4: when we get to that problem, I can totally understand
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  Speaker 4: why they've done it, and I fully support them in
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  Speaker 4: doing so. I have to say, of course, one of
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  Speaker 4: the other things we should talk about with Anzac Day,
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  Speaker 4: and I know it's been well talked about, but it
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  Speaker 4: is such a big issue that I think we should
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  Speaker 4: talk about it tonight is the booing of welcome to
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  Speaker 4: country ceremonies across the nation, of course, most notably in
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  Speaker 4: Melbourne and in Sydney.
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  Speaker 3: Now stupid questioning is have you seen this?
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  Speaker 4: Of course you've seen it, but a reminder of what
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  Speaker 4: happened thoughver the weekend.
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  Speaker 6: Would you please welcome Kabi Kabi and burham Man Pastor
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  Speaker 6: and Uncle Rey Minicon to deliver the acknowledgment of country.
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  Speaker 7: For thousands of years people have gathered in this place
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  Speaker 7: to share stories, to celebrate culture and to remember our ancestors.
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  Speaker 4: Now, would I know? Do I understand why they booed? Yes,
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  Speaker 4: it is well overdone. And if there is one day
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  Speaker 4: of the year where we're all united under one flag
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  Speaker 4: as one country to.
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  Speaker 3: Talk about all people who have served this.
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  Speaker 4: Country doing it for one country under one flag, it
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  Speaker 4: is an Zac Day. I thought it was interesting. An
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  Speaker 4: opinion piece by Luise Klegg in the Australian today. She's
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  Speaker 4: a lawyer also the wife of the Opposition leader Angus Taylor,
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  Speaker 4: and she points out that perhaps if you did them
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  Speaker 4: less often, you would not lead to situations like this,
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  Speaker 4: And she raises the example of in Golben where she lives,
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  Speaker 4: the RSLs, the roses across the country run the Dawn
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  Speaker 4: Services right, and she says that in Goldben they don't
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  Speaker 4: have and have made the decision for many years not
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  Speaker 4: to have a welcome to country because they don't feel
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  Speaker 4: it necessary. There's never been a complaint from the local
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  Speaker 4: indigenous people about it, because they're there to celebrate what
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  Speaker 4: people have done for Australia, not specifically people of Aboriginal origin,
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  Speaker 4: or Italian origin, or Greek origin or Russian origin or
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  Speaker 4: whatever anything else. It's what people have done to serve
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  Speaker 4: Australia under one flag, as one country. And I think
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  Speaker 4: she's got a point. There may be a place at
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  Speaker 4: special indigenous events for a welcomed country, but by and large,
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  Speaker 4: I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Think it's necessary. I think it's inappropriate.
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  Speaker 4: It's well overdone, and I understand why these people booed.
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  Speaker 5: I Actually, to be honest, I hadn't seen the vision
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  Speaker 5: fully until you have, you know, till just now. I
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  Speaker 5: went to a different dawn service on Saturday and then
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  Speaker 5: had a digital detox, believe it or not. So I'm
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  Speaker 5: watching that again really like it's the second time I've
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  Speaker 5: seen that, and it's quite I find that very I
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  Speaker 5: found that very upsetting. Like he's just started to say,
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  Speaker 5: for thousands of years, people have gathered in this place
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  Speaker 5: to meet.
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  Speaker 1: That's all all he said.
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  Speaker 5: And then they start launching at him, knowing that he's
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  Speaker 5: a veteran, knowing that he's a Christian pastor, knowing that
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  Speaker 5: he's not knowing what he's going to say, like they're
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  Speaker 5: anticipating something divisive. And I understand that what you're saying
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  Speaker 5: that the actual act of a welcome to country and
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  Speaker 5: acknowledgment of country on Anzac Day is considered divisive by some.
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  Speaker 5: I understand that I haven't actually unpacked it to the
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  Speaker 5: point that I have a firm view on it. But
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  Speaker 5: what I what I do know is that the one
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  Speaker 5: that I went to the North Sydney dawn service having
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  Speaker 5: acknowledgment to country, and it was really beautiful, It was welcoming,
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  Speaker 5: it was I don't know, a couple of minutes long,
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  Speaker 5: and it was it was It just felt like a
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  Speaker 5: natural part of the ceremony. I've been too welcomes to country,
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  Speaker 5: where it's been a lecture, it's been you know, you know,
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  Speaker 5: invite you to join, flagellation. You people are the cause
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  Speaker 5: of all our problems. It was an awful, awful, many
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  Speaker 5: awful avel experiences. I think that when done right and
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  Speaker 5: in the right places, like I've also in corporate life,
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  Speaker 5: I've been on zoom calls where everyone no exaggeration, everyone
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  Speaker 5: wants to make an acknowledgment to country before they start
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  Speaker 5: speaking on a zoom call. I mean, that's obviously the extreme,
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  Speaker 5: but it happens. So where do we find the balance.
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  Speaker 5: There's four or five very important points intention here.
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  Speaker 2: I am completely against welcome to country and any sort
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  Speaker 2: of acknowledgment to country. Okay, we talk all the time
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  Speaker 2: how it's overdone. It's completely overdone. I don't agree with
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  Speaker 2: the practice full stop. I don't think there should be
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  Speaker 2: I don't even think they should be at major events.
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  Speaker 2: I am not interested in a practice that only started
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  Speaker 2: in the nineteen seventies and became popular via Ernie Dingo.
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  Speaker 1: It is not inclusive.
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  Speaker 2: I think if anything to go by sixty percent of.
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  Speaker 1: Us said no to the voice.
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  Speaker 2: We don't want to be divided by the color of
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  Speaker 2: our skin. Now, I'm all for maybe perhaps at Anzac
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  Speaker 2: Day ceremonies, maybe if you know, an Indigenous person got
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  Speaker 2: up and maybe made a speech about the wonderful and
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  Speaker 2: tremendous Indigenous participation in the war, maybe come up and
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  Speaker 2: do a speech there. But we don't need to be
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  Speaker 2: certainly at at Anzac Day event welcome dior Act knowledge anything.
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  Speaker 1: I don't mind that. I don't mind. I don't mind.
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  Speaker 4: Do we have do we have an Italian get up?
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  Speaker 1: No? No, I don't mind this. Okay, I don't mind that.
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  Speaker 2: Part because that that in itself is because we shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: forget the enormous contribution made by Indigenous Australians.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 5: That is more than that they can stand up, they.
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  Speaker 2: Can stand up to a couple of minutes talk about
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  Speaker 2: this is what happened. Right, But do not welcome me
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  Speaker 2: to country. Don't welcome me at any time. I am
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  Speaker 2: quite frankly not interested. I'm sick to death of hearing.
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  Speaker 5: Back to Anzac Day. To your question, Caleb, why is
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  Speaker 5: it important on Anzac Dale'll tell you why. Because Indigenous
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  Speaker 5: and First Nations people served our country. They wait, they
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  Speaker 5: put their lives on the line. They came back to
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  Speaker 5: Australia and they couldn't even go to get a beer
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  Speaker 5: at a bar because they weren't allowed. They didn't get
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  Speaker 5: the same access to return soldiers schemes that white Australians got.
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  Speaker 5: They were treated appallingly by successive governments. That's the past.
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  Speaker 5: That's a reflection of the past and it is to
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  Speaker 5: our great shame, and that is why it needs to
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  Speaker 5: be acknowledged on ANZAC Day. Because people like my grandfather,
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  Speaker 5: who I never knew, other veterans, they came back, they
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  Speaker 5: were helped, they were honored, they were acknowledged. Indigenous and
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  Speaker 5: First Nations Australians did the same work in the same
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  Speaker 5: trenches with the same blood, sweat, tears, death and grief
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  Speaker 5: and came back to this country and they were treated
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  Speaker 5: like pariahs. It was wrong. That's why it's important to
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  Speaker 5: acknowledge it on Australia on ANZAC Day. Excuse me to
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  Speaker 5: your point about welcome to country. I understand what you're saying,
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  Speaker 5: but that's a different thing from your question. Why on
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  Speaker 5: Anzac Day.
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  Speaker 4: That's why I take your point. And yes, I have
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  Speaker 4: no problem with acknowledging the wrongs of the past, But
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  Speaker 4: are we going to embark on a lifelong thing in
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  Speaker 4: this country of self flagellation, where we have a black
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  Speaker 4: armband view of history, where we have to constantly beat
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  Speaker 4: ourselves over the head because of things we've done wrong. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: they ought to be acknowledged, and the totality of this
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  Speaker 4: country's history ought to be acknowledged. But if we start saying, well,
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  Speaker 4: so now we're going to have someone stand up and
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  Speaker 4: talk for a few minutes about this, I mean we
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  Speaker 4: could talk about the fact that women who did work
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  Speaker 4: in the war as well, who obviously those times weren't
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  Speaker 4: serving in the front lines, but maybe they're involved in
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  Speaker 4: catering calls or whatever. I mean, they were also subjugated
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  Speaker 4: in this country. There'd only been the.
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  Speaker 2: RSL stands up and does a speech every year, and
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  Speaker 2: they do mention these things.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing and I'm not talking about.
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  Speaker 2: And and to your point, we're not talking here about
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  Speaker 2: the wrongs of the past. I mean, none of us
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  Speaker 2: can be blamed for what happened, even though it gets
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: you know, shoved down our throats all the time. It's
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  Speaker 2: not I'm not saying for somebody to stand up on
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  Speaker 2: ANZAC Day and talk about the wrongs.
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  Speaker 1: Of the past.
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking about this is how many Indigenous Australians served
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  Speaker 2: in the war. This was their contribution, and that is it.
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  Speaker 2: It is a couple of minute speech, just like what
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  Speaker 2: the RSL does, and that is it.
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  Speaker 1: That's it. I'm not talking about, you know, another lecture.
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  Speaker 4: But what I'm saying though, is that if you want
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  Speaker 4: to single out one race of people who serve the country,
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  Speaker 4: you could then feasibly do that for other races of
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: people who serve the country.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: I think that goes that goes too far.
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's not but it's also not the same.
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: Like my family is Italian, as you know Tanika's family,
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: it's not the same Italian Australians. What many were Italian
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: Australians were interred in this country during the Second World
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: War because of the access of evil. And I mean
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: it's I think there are two different things being spoken
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: about here. In terms of a welcome to country on
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: ANZAC Day, that is for other people to decide. I'm
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: not a veteran. In terms of welcome to country or
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: acknowledgment to country. Where I sit right now is it's
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: not it's as much as frequency as it is about
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: the way that it's done. I again, I've been to
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: so many corporate life guys. I mean, they're every waking
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: moment of every event, and I don't and I don't
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: agree with the frequency. I think Louise Cleggen her column
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: makes an excellent point. It's like it's like, in some
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: ways having that extra day off ANZAC Day, we talked
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: about it last week, it diminishes the significance of what
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: it's into. Anzac Day is not just about another day
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: off for a long weekend.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Wooh.
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: It's supposed to be a sacred day for Australians. And
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: if this welcome to country or acknowledgment of country is
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: part of our I mean, is part of our national healing?
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: Is it part of our reconciliation process? I actually believe
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: that to a point. But when it becomes so onerous
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: and overlays everything and becomes something that is obliged rather
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: than engaged in, I think that's where the problem generates.
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: And perhaps that's where we need to start looking at
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: these things and saying does it have to be at
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: every moment of every event.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: No, that's why people have had enough. I don't agree
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: with the booing. For the record, I do not agree
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: with what happened. I think that it's entirely disrespectful.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: But enough is enough.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: And I also make the point I think that Australians
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: we are very tolerant and I think we're very respectful.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: And I do think we just stand there and we
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: take it because that's just what we do. We go
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: to sporting events. Yep, correct, here we go again. We're
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: very very tolerant.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: All right, let's move on.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Because I don't know about you at home, but I
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: used to love row our dull novels when I was
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: in school.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: I feel like it was almost a rite.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Of passage to read the likes of, you know, Charlie
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: and the Chocolate Factory.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: James and the Giant Peach, and of course The Twits.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: I've got to say that The Twits was actually one
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: of my favorite. Of course, this is about a vile and.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Awful couple who torment animals, and then the animals sort
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: of bound together and get revenge on the two twits,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: and it turns the whole chapters and turns the novels
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: upside down.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: It's actually a fantastic little story.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: But I've got some really bad news if you have
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: a beard, because the Left want to cancel this novel
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: now because of its quote anti beard stance, which is
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a problem for one member of
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: the panel this evening.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Can you guess who it is?
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: This man right here? Oh no, and the bearded man
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: on the panel. Look out, the Left are coming for
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: your beard, Caleb. This is an absolute disaster anti beard bias.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: So the criticism has come from a woman by the
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: name of doctor Mellie Green. She is from the Faculty
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: of Education at Southern Cross University. Now she has researched
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: The Twits, and this is what she has come up with.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: She says, While framed as humor, it constructs facial hair
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: as suspicious, unhygienic, and morally suspect, inviting readers to participate
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: in the ridicule of an entire group. In The Twits,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Missus Twit's appearance is repeatedly and viciously attacked by her husband.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Have you ever seen a woman with an uglier face
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: than that? I doubt it?
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Now ver in mind that this book has sold sixteen
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: million copies and has been translated into forty one languages,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: but it doesn't deter dr Green. She says it showed
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: a lack of inclusion, resilience on ridicle stereotyping and the
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: normalization of cruelty as humor. In particular, she said, the
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: book contains derogatory stereotyping of men with beards. So look,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: just this is just absolutely ridiculous. And can I just
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: say it is more offensive to be going after you know,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: it's the words ugly, the words twits or whatever the heck.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: This ridiculous report has suggested that the actual censorship itself.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I think this is utterly ridiculous.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Raba duhll charmed a generation of children and continues to
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: do so. I mean, these novels have spanned generation after generation,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: and it's the humor, it's the cruelness. It's that sort
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: of you have to laugh at it. But that's what
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: engages children. That is why these novels have stood the
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: test of time. And if we're so concerned about anti.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Beards, I mean we're literally just may as well say
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: the next generation Caleb be a bunch of snowflakes.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Wait till they actually enter the workflor force and life
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: gets tough, They're going to go, Gee, that anti beard
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: bias maybe wasn't so.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: Bad after all, it got to be. I mean, you,
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: two ladies of style, would you say that I am
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: a suspicious, unhygienic and morally suspect.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: No, you have a lot of cans on your desk
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: about that's about.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: I'm just I'm building up for my ten cent collection.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: I have to say, that doesn't mean that you are
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: any of those things.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm gage to say because I also loved The Twits,
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: and I loved roll Dale as a kid.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: Some of the best books I read as a kid
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: were by Rolled I love the whole lot of it.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: And I was thinking today back to when I was
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: reading The Twits, whether in of this, any of this
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: sort of subconsciously seeped into my mind, and I thought, well,
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: clearly not, because I have a beard. And one of
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: the other things she points out is that his beer drinking.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Mister Twitt's beer drinking is a problem. She said it
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: was an established risk factor for domestic and family consumption
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: of beer. And then I thought, oh, maybe I took
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: up drinking beer because I read it in The Twitch
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: when I was sub teen years old. And one of
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: the other ones that you raised is about missus Twitt
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: being referred to as ugly. And when I read that,
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: I thought, has she actually read the book, because if
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: she'd read the book The Twits, she'd know why missus
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: Twit is ugly because she makes this reference. As you
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: said to she's sort of repeatedly told off by her
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: husband for being specifically ugly. Well, I'll just read to
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: what was this academic's name again, doctor Millie Green. If
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: you've not read, if you've not read The Twits, this
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: is the bit that you should have read if you've
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: wanted to know why Missus Twitt is described as ugly.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: It says, have you ever seen a woman with an
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: uglier face than that? I doubt it. But the funny
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: thing is that Missus Twitt wasn't born ugly. She'd had
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: quite a nice face when she was young. The ugliness
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: had grown upon her year my year as she got older.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: Why would that happen? I'll tell you why. If a
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: person has ugly thoughts, it begins to show on the face.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: And when that person has ugly thoughts, every day every week,
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: every year, the face gets uglier and uglier, until it
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: gets so ugly you can hardly bear to look at it.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: A person who has good thoughts cannot ever be ugly.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: You can have a wonky nose and a crooked mouth,
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: and a double chin and stick out teeth, but if
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: you have good thoughts, they will shine out of your
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: face like sunbeams, and you will always look lovely. So
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: what role Da was actually writing about is that it
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: doesn't matter how you look physically, if you are a
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: good person, you will always be a beautiful person. But
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: we have this academic telling us the exact opposite and
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: saying that the references to ugliness are a bad thing.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, my god, he's trying to.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Tell kids be a good person. I mean, is that
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: now bad?
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: It's just the I just broke my pen.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: It's just I'd be a man too.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: I'm so cross, I broke my stationary. It is the
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: obsession with the academic class and those who call themselves
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: educators with this sort of stuff that I think leads
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: me to, you know, intermittent bouts of despair. This is
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: a child's book with incredibly wholesome, comical messages and you
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: know you said just before Caleb, you know, what's this
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: woman's name? Again? Good point. Everybody knows who rolled. I've
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: forgotten her name already.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well we should leave it.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: For The left have been going after rod dal for years.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: They've been trying to cancel.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: All those great as well, I think everything under the sun.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: They're trying to find all these little nonsensical things again
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: about books that have inspired a generation.
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: Do you remember a couple of years ago, guys, there
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: was a unimala to call you guys. A couple of
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: years ago, there was a movement in America to get
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: rid of To Kill a Mockingbird because they said some
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: of the text was racist. That is the point of
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: the book. The book is one of the most impacting
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: modern pieces of literature that deals head on with racism
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: in the South at that period of time. And it's
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: amazing how these people seem to I mean, how do
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: you misappoint that widely? How do you misappoint that spectacularly? Well,
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: canceling a book that is actually confronting racism in such
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: a powerful, poetic, and impacting way. Papuli's been dead for
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: a very long time. That's her, you know, Opus and
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: still we talk about it, and yet people have such
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: a narrow view of what it means to be educated
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: and challenged in thought.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: Well, it's the same as you know, imagine if they
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: try to make like alf Garness or something right right, right,
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: which the whole point was that he was an idiot,
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: he was a love ardent backwards.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: You create that character.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: So the viewers can then look at it and the
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: humor is that he's stupid. Right, But now they tell all,
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: we can't, you know, have a racist character because someone
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: might watch it and go, oh, I kind of identify
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: with that guy, and it's not the point. It's called satire, right,
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: Just honestly anyway, speaking of things that maddening, as you
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: would know, anywhere there is government money, there is also
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: a rought, and it would seem that this is precisely
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: what is going on with the federal government's solar battery
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: rebased scheme. Now, this thing came in last year and
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: it has already had more than two hundred and fifty
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: thousand homes get on board with it. So these batteries
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: have been installed all over the country. But a little
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: mob called the Clean Energy Regulator, they decided that they
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: would go around and check out a few of these
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: batteries that have been installed with the government rebate. Thirty
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: percent off is what you get courtesy of the Albanesi government.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: And in the nine hundred systems that they took as
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: a sample around the country, more than sixty percent were
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: found to be substandard. This is what the federal government
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: is paying for. More than half of the batteries they
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: tested were either the substandard themselves or had been installed
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: in a substandard way.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: Now we're not just talking about, you know, any old
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: piece of equipment here.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: It's not like, you know, there was a sort of
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: a substandard installation of your dishwasher and maybe there's some
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: water leaking out of the back. We're talking about power,
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: two hundred and forty volt of power.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Flowing in and out of these things.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, this is potentially deadly if you don't do
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: it correctly. And look, I mean, it may well be
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: that they only looked at really dodgy ones across the country.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: But if they did a random sample of nine hundred
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: across the country and sixty percent were substandard, you'd head
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: to our serious questions about the other two hundred and
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: fifty thousand odd that have been installed, how many of
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: them are legit and what dangers might be lurking in
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: people's house.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Well, it's three and four that are substandard, but that
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: is a very phenomenal number.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: And yet you know we've got.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Chris Bowen who wants one of these in every single
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: home across the country. Now, my concern, my first thought
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: actually initially when I read this, was I hope this
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: is not a pink bat scheme two point zero. But
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: the problem is is we've got Labour's absolute race to renewables,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: rush to renewaballs, and clearly it is proving very, very
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: dangerous because Labour hasn't thought of the fallbacks. Labor hasn't
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: thought of all the environmental issues which we hear time
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: and time again, to marine life, to wildlife, to natural habitat.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Of course the waste sol of waste.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Is a big problem too. Labour doesn't seem to want
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: to talk about either. But what about the cost of
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: rolling out this these batteries I was looking at for
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: a typical home, a battery cost between ten to thirteen
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: That is very expensive.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: So if three and four are faulty, gee, you'd be
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: pretty angry, wouldn't you? And again Labor is racing to
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: roll this out, this cheaper home batteries program. It's already
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: blown out from two point three billion dollars to seven
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: point two billion dollars, but Labor is calling this an expansion,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: expansion over four years. It's blowing our money on what's
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: clearly not working.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: I mean, the keyword here is unsafe. It's called it's
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: found that they were unsafe. So that then speaks to
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: things like liability risk governance. Who is going to pay
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: if they found out to be unsafe? And they were
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: administered during a government program. And let's just say something
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: goes terribly wrong and someone someone's house is burned down,
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: some structural damage, but worse still, someone is injured or
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: killed God forbid. Then what then, you know, what is
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: the government going to hide behind? You know, it's ideological
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: capture by the renewables industry. This is a great slash,
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: terrible example of these schemes when there's the governance is
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: not quite right and the governance allows such shocking Let's
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: let's pretend this was a private sector organization and they
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: were regulated by a government organization, and they came through
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: and as you said, it was a three and four
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: and then three and four of their installed product was
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: found to be unsafe. Could you imagine how quickly they'd
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: be shut down. Absolutely, it would be front page news everywhere.
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: It would be you know, scandal, scandal, scandal. But no, no,
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: it's we're going to expand it because you know, this
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: is the way these things run, which just blows my mind.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: When in need you indas childcare, Yes they could, they
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: be doing it in the in the the soul, so true.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: They not like we know, when you throw a lot
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: to public money at a scheme like this, you know,
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: businesses pop up out of nowhere and everyone is in
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: to make a back out of it. As exactly that.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Come on, it's from tay, it's the it's the battery.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Now look, let's move on because obviously we need to
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: address the attempted assassination of Donald Trump over at the weekend,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: and we've spoke spoken a lot about the inflammatory language
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: that has been used by the left and the Democrats
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: in particular, and all it takes is one nut job
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: to take it as a call to arms and take
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: matters into their own hands. But have a look at
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: this bar, this is a bar in Wisconsin. They are
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: known for promoting free beer when Donald Trump dies already
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: a big problem, but they're under a renewed scrutiny for
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: posting on Facebook after the event. After the attempted shooting,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: they've put well we almost got hashtag free beer day.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Either a brother or sister.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: In the resistance needs to work on their marksmanship, or
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: he faked another assassination to get a positive news cycle.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Will never know now the owner of the Minoqua Brewing
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Company is owned by.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: A get ready for it, drum roll please.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: A Democrat correct by the name of Kirk Bangstad, a
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: former state Assembly candidate who has repeatedly used the breweries
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: brand to attack Donald Trump and Republicans. What did I
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: just say there about the temperature and tone right now
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: from the Democrats? But we also heard today the manifesto
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: by the alleged government was released and he went on
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: a very deranged, clearly anti Trump but also anti Christian
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: rant in this one thousand page manifesto, which he actually
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: gave to family before he allegedly carried out this attack.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: But in it he also makes a lot of false
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: accusations about the President, calling him a rapist. The President
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: did an exclusive in You with sixty Minutes, and it
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: was raised, and I think that Donald Trump was right
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: to push back on the journalist. Here have a look
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: at this exchange.
• 32:09
  Speaker 8: I'm not a raapist. I didn't reap anybody.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: You think he was refused to excuse me.
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: I'm not a pedophile. You read that crap from some
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: sec person. I said to myself, you know, I'll do
• 32:22
  Speaker 8: this interview and they'll probably read the manifest or you
• 32:25
  Speaker 8: know he's a sick person. But you should be ashamed
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: of yourself reading there because I'm not any of those things.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, good on him for pushing back against
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: the liberal media. And don't forget it was the same
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: liberal media that were in that event and all had
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: to be safely evacuated by the people who are employed
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: to keep the man that they consistently keep criticizing safe.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: The other point that I will make is Donald Trump
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: has been banging on about wanting a ballroom for a
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: very very long time in the White House.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: And I think this is further evidence as to.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Why he really really needs it, because this has happen,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: but at a hotel, we can't let this happen again,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: and the acting Attorney General, Todd Blanche has released a statement.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: He said, yesterday's asassination attempt on President Trump proves yet
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: again that the White House boreroom is essential for the
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: safety and security of the President, his family, his cabinet,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: and his staff.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't think you can argue with that, Caleb, No,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: I did look at it makes sense the security would
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: seem to be somewhat lacking at this at this function,
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: which the shooter himself alleged writes about in his manifesto,
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: because he checked himself into the hotel the day before
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: he allegedly went downstairs and did things, and so he'd
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: updated it before anything went off, and said, I can't
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: believe how it easy is it was for me to
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: get the weapons in and you know, no one's asked
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: any questions. You know, the present's walking in here tomorrow night,
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: what the hell's going on here? So even he could
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: see how lax it was.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: So yes, it does kind of make an argument for Borham.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: But I've got to go back to that sixty minutes
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: spit and so we didn't show you her reading it out,
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: but you know what the quote was, and She then
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: responds to him for oh, you think he was talking
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: about you? I mean, of course what he was graceful.
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: It was quite disgraceful. I agree. I mean, I like,
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: you've been in and around media for thirty years because
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: I'm older these days, but you know, there was no
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: way on planet Earth in my view, that she didn't
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: know what the alleged gunman was inferring in that manifesto,
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: and particularly in the moment, it's almost like the president
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: has just survived another assassination attempt and you are verbalizing
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: the kind of language that has inflamed the American body
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: politic politic over the last decade or so, and it
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: is terrifying to me that these things are still not
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: picked up on language matters. I mean, the political left
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: love to talk about microaggressions and language is violence. That
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: is when language is violence.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Indeed, it is very quickly before we get to a break.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: You know, in the United States they're worrying about people
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: constantly trying to shoot their prison. In the UK, a
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: newly elicted Greens MP is worried about MP's having a drink.
• 35:20
  Speaker 9: Do you hear my declare that?
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Lindon Spencer Harrison is duly elected.
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: You I'm really uneasy about.
• 35:32
  Speaker 9: And I noticed this the other day when you can
• 35:34
  Speaker 9: smell the alcohol when people are in between votes, and
• 35:37
  Speaker 9: as everyone's going into vote, some people have been drinking
• 35:40
  Speaker 9: in between.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Like there's a room where I walk.
• 35:41
  Speaker 9: Past and I don't walk back and looked in because
• 35:43
  Speaker 9: people are just sat having a drink.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: But again, that's a job.
• 35:47
  Speaker 9: I can't imagine if a cleaner did that, or someone
• 35:50
  Speaker 9: working in a bank like had a few drinks and
• 35:53
  Speaker 9: then went back to work like a bit, you know,
• 35:55
  Speaker 9: like smelling of alcohol like that wouldn't happen.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, am on, if that is your biggest concern,
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: that MPs whose jobs are to socialize with people a
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: lot of the time and find out what's going on
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: in the world.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, they had a drink with someone?
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: My god, wow, how dare they? You do know that
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: being an MP is like different to operating a motor
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: vehicle or doing something else, right cares if they have
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: a drink.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: And also, and this is coming from the same UK
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Greens who want to legalize all drugs, including heroin, but
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: seem to have a problem with drinking. I mean, go
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: figure the irony in that I mean, I.
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: Do see her point though, like honestly, I'm sorry to
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: be the connection. I'm not sorry to be the contrarian
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: at all. I mean West Australia has a lot of
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: mining companies, as you would know, and all of the
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: mindsets are dry, and it was all long, big no, no, no,
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: let me me finish, like at least a decade ago,
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: possibly longer. The corporate offices of these mining companies looked
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: at each other and when we have to do this ourselves.
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: So there's a lot of these companies that have dry workplaces.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: During the weeks, you'll see them go to workplace launches,
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: ceeme events, that sort of stuff. People don't drink during
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: the day. And I can say personally, I'm I am.
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: I'm not a wowser and I'm not an absolutist. But
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: I don't mind the fact that we have raised the
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: issue of politicians getting on the squirt when they should
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: be doing their job. And let's not pretend it's not
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: been a problem in this country over decades and decades
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: and decades.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Well, I just think it exposes the hypocrisy of the
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: grand in the UK that I've got the standard for
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: everyone else and the standard for the work does. But
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: that's it, all right, We're going to take a break.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Coming up.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Athony Albineezi was forced to evict himself from his local
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: electorate office because the pro Palestine mob took it over.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: But guess what, he's found a new space down the road.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: That's next. Welcome back. Let's take a look at tomorrow's
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: front pages. Caleb, you have the Australian.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: You've got the Australian people, says he. A fuel frakka
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: filler up to six days and because Taylor has pledged
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: the Coalition would double the nation's fuel reserves. In an
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: eight hundred million dollar pre budget challenge to the Albanezy government,
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: as Foreign Minister Penny Wong prepares to leverage Australia's gas
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: and iron ore exports to China to lock in jet
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: fuel shipments. The opposition leader has promised to increase Australia's
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: minimum stockholding obligation from thirty days supply to sixty through
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: a one billion lead tax payout funded boost to the
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: national fuel storage infrastructure. The fuel storage commitment will be
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: a central theme of mister Taylor's first budget. In reply
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: speech on May fourteen, which will also include about and
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: maintain the nation's remaining two refineries in Victoria and Queensland.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, great, it's nice, but it's meant to be
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: ninety days. So yeah, I'm in sure any anything extra
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: in the tank is a good thing. But the promise
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: ain't to meet our targets, it to just add and
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: just well, we'll consider being one third of the way there.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: We'll just get two thirds of the way.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was a bit confused about this,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: but because I mean, it's all well and good to
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: make a pledge like this, but we're still short.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I think we're sitting in about forty four days now,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: it's slightly increased, but.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: We're well short as an end of about ninety days.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: So I mean, I'm all for trying to boost our supply,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: but if you're not going to actually reach that ninety
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: day is, then what on earth is the point?
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: And I think that that there's not even an entertaining
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: of the discussion by the federal government about what are
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: we going to do long term about being self sufficient?
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, the greatest, the greatest manifestation of sovereign risks
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: to Australia right now is energy supply. We are so
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: exposed and so vulnerable in that space.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: Indeed, while we're talking about the budget on the front
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: of the Yours tomorrow, it also sees ALP's big ticket
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: reform small beer in early years. Exclusive here from Matthew Cranston.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: The Albanezi government's moves on negative gearing and the capital
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: gains tax discount will bring in less than five billion
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: dollars across the next four years, and economists expect they
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: will have only a small impact on intergenerational equity, productivity
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: and new housing supply well blow me down. The policy,
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: as review by The Australian of scrapping negative gearing for
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: existing properties and replacing the fifty percent discount on capital
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: gains tax for inflation indexation could leave loopholes and allow
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: people with several properties still to take advantage of interest costs.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: A proportional adjustment to the capital gains tax could also
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: be in store with those with assets held before budget
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: night would retain the fifty percent discount and any post
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: budget gains would be subject to inflation indxtations. I mean,
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: the whole thing is just a dog's breakfast, but all
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: for five billion dollars over four years. I mean you
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: would well know if you're a regular viewer. Have been
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: banging on about the scourge of elicit tobacco. I mean
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: that's costing the fact that elicit tobacco is so big
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: now because they jacked up the tobacco excise so much,
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: is costing the federal budget about nine billion dollars a year. Yeah,
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: I mean they've got obvious.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Things that they could do.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: Oh, you know, we'll we'll go and bagger up the
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: investment market so we can make five billion over four
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: What are these people playing it?
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean it's not I don't know necessarily they're playing,
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: but that none of them show me, any of them.
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: I've got real life experience in running a P and L.
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: Like let the spoil it down to brass tacks.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: No, you're absolutely spun on this. So they've got it.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: As you said, bugger up now.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: The entire investment industry we're trying to at the time,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: we're trying to get more people into home.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Wonderful.
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: Wonderful. Also on the front of the oz Bondai Beach
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: benefit concert for Unity canceled over anti semitism.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Very strange story.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: This one collaborative Jewish Greek choral concert to raise money
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: for Bondai Beach massacre victims families has been canceled due
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: to a vehement political opposition by some choir members to
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: Jewish participation in the event, ironically titled Concert for Hope
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: and Unity.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: The Australian Hellenic Choir was to join.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: Forces with the Sydney Jewish Choral Society in conjunction with
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: a major Australian choir for a Rousing to Our performance
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: at the Sydney Town Hall on June twenty eight, but
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: at a vote taken at a meeting last Monday ahead
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: of rehearsals, more than half of the Hellenic Choir quote
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: unquote politically objected to performing with a Jewish choir at
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: the town Hall concert, with others fearing for their personal
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: safety citing a potential attack this event was that means
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: where does one begin? Yeah, you're doing it to raise
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: money for the families are victims of the Bondai attack,
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: but you won't sing with Jewish people.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: It's very odd.
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: I can't make that make sense.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: No neither can I. No, No neither can I.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and another example of the anti Semitism wave
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: in this country as well.
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: And yeah, yeah, I don't know what to say about that.
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: I don't also know what to say about this story,
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: absolutely heartbreaking on the front page of the Northern Territory News.
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: Also was splashed on the Odds there while Caleb was
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: talking about that paper. But yeah, here on the front
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: page of the Northern Territory News, heart rending photo of
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: five year old Sharon and the headline there bring her
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: home and the whole of the Northern Territory and beyond,
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: I believe praise for the safe return of five year
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: old Sharon Granites who vanished from her home. Police are
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: searching for a forty seven year old man. He's recently
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: released from prison and he has a history of violence,
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: and he's being sought by police in relation to the
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: disappearance of this little girl in Alice Springs at the weekend.
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: She was last seen at the Old Timers camp south
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: of Alice Springs, and police are wanting to speak to
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: recently released inmate Jefferson Lewis over her disappearance. I mean,
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: this is the kind of story that you hold your
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: breath over. It's the kind of story that you fear
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: the worst, try to hope for the best. I mean,
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: all three of us have been around long enough to
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: see these stories, and you can only hope that the
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: police who are looking for her, and the communities who
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: are helping to look for her, there's a divine sort
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: of mile from heaven that they find her safe and sound.
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: Another story that is just almost too horrible to contemplate
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: the front page of the Daily Telegraph. Here Mountain horror
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: inferno kills two children. Family torn apart on the eve
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: of a new life inter state, on the day they
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: were meant to start an exciting new life. In Queensland,
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: a Blue Mountains family has been torn apart in a
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: shocking house fire that's claimed the lies of lives rather
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: of two young children. It was just after two am
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: when their distraught dad ran to a neighbor in their
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: home in Bowen Mountain screaming for help as the family's
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: home went up in flames. Four children escaped the blaze
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: and two passed away. Absolutely again, we yeah, I don't,
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: I don't have enough words to.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: It's awful.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: Unpack that one for us, But yeah, that's that's where
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: the Daily Telly is heading tomorrow. It's a huge story.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, before we go to a break.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Just also on the Daily Telly there we've got the
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: PMS back in Marrickville. I alluded to this before before
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: the break. The PM has been forced to set up
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: shop in an industrial pocket of Sydneys in a West
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: after being driven out of his old electorate office by
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: relentless pro Palestine protesters. Anthony Albanese's new digs and nestled
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: among the whole industrial sheds and across the road from
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: the headquarters of Colt ice cream manufacturer manufacturer at Gulata Messina.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: So he's actually been booted out of his own electric office.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: I mean this has been going on for years down.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: This is in Marrickville, right, It's been going on.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: For years down.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: If you've actually ever been past that area, it's disgusting
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: the way that they've set up at the it's hideous, hideous.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: They've really overtaken thestre it was it was in the mainstream.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: It's absolutely hideous. And so he's now gone, oh well,
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: I'll let them make it. I'll let them take they
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: let them take over. It better not cause a fuss.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: I'm going to move down the road into an industrial
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: area now to.
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: Take a quick observation on that, and do we wonder
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: the state of our national security position when the Prime
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: Minister is prepared to let launce and protesters run him
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: out of his own office.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, absolutely, it's a very very good point. What
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: sort of message does that said? Spot on, we are
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: going to take a quick break. Coming up after the break,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Meghan Michael believes her life is about to get better.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: How does she know that? Because it was in the stars.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: That's next.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Welcome back, Well, the always sympathetic Megan Michael believes that
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: her life is about to get better?
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: And how does she know that? Because her horoscope told her.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: She's posted this to her Instagram page. It says Taurus, Leo, Scorpio,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: and Aquarius ending the hardest seven years of their lives
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: on April twenty five.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Well, she's a Leo apparently.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: And another post read the tension between who you actually
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: are and what the world around you was willing to
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: see has been exhausting in a way that is hard
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: to explain to people who have not lived it.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Well, there you go, isn't it incredible?
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: MEGANI just her knowledge, her now intelligence level just never
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: ceases to amaze.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: But there you go. It's all in the stars apparently
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: for mex.
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: I mean, I feel sorry for someone literally who the
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: devanno who rights the stars versus Wow.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: I think the problem is we saw exactly who she was,
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: so that we didn't see who she was.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: Point we saw who she was, we.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Didn't like it.
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: Well, this one is an absolute belter if you are
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: a parent of teenage boys. Police are on the hunt
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: for two boys filmed surfing on the roof of a
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: bus through Sydney's East on Sunday afternoon. Wild footage. I
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: think we've got some of it there shows the two
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: teenagers hitching a right on the roof of the three
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: five six bus from East Gardens to bond DII junction.
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: That she was over there this afternoon about eleven forty
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: on Sunday. The boys were lying and relaxing on the
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: roof of the vehicle. Look goes without saying, understatement of
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: the century, a dangerous and illegal move. And look, we know,
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: kayleb that, in all deference to the male species, you
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: guys don't have a fully formed frontal cortex till you're thirty.
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: But even this seems a little bit over the top.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: It used to be twenty five.
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: I'm going for thirty my evidence.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: Oh, next thing, it'll be one hundred and seventy.
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: You know, quite valid.
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: I don't know you've seen some of the women, but
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: you could make them dopes of the day. We should
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: have made them prospectively. I'm going to make them the
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: dopes of the day. And oh you probably also qualifies
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: dope of the day if you buy one of these things?
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: What the hell is this?
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: Look?
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: Take a look and by there are Chinese car manufacturer
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: has decided to make what you can see there, which
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: is a my Little Pony themed car. It's the one
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: plus etto three model, which comes in a pink plush outside.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: I mean, look, you know maybe the pink plush interior
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: would do it for some people. What the hell? Who
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: the heck would buy that? And how would you keep
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: it clean?
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Buy that car?
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: Twelve year old Gemma would look at that car and go,
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: that is the car for me.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: But that's the point. It's a kid car.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: How would you keep a fluffy car clean? One down?
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: And how embarrassing drive your brand with something like that.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: You've been absolutely spectacle on the roads.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Shocking. Good to have you both.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: See you soon stay with us coming up after the break.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: It's the Rita Panahee Show.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Good Night,