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Torpedo to movie mogul Harvey Weinstein's sex attack victims: charge dropped · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. I was sitting on the bed talking to
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Speaker 1: Harvey when he pushed me back and forced himself onto me.
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Speaker 1: It was not consensual. He did not use a condom.
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Speaker 1: Once he excused himself to go to the bathroom and
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Speaker 1: he came back in nothing but a robe. Obviously his
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Speaker 1: whole demeanor changed. He's holding my forearm pretty forcefully, and um,
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Speaker 1: we're both now standing in front of the mirror, and
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Speaker 1: he just keeps saying, just watch me, just watch me masturbate.
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Speaker 1: And I waked up, and and then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: he takes his pants down and starts doing his stuff.
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Speaker 1: And I hate blocking the door. I can't get out.
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Speaker 1: And then he says, you know, you're a really nice girl.
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Speaker 1: You shouldn't tell anybody about that. In the last hours,
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Speaker 1: a major victory. I hope you're sitting down for movie
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Speaker 1: mogul Harvey Weinstein as a criminal charge is dropped. Repeat,
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Speaker 1: a criminal charge of sex attack by Harvey Weinstein has
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Speaker 1: been dropped. Is this just the beginning of the end? I,
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us, Alexis terres Chuck Greater online dot com. It's
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Speaker 1: almost more than I can take in listen. Alexis. Prosecutors
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Speaker 1: also recently obtained an email Evans wrote in two downs
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Speaker 1: and fifteen to a man she later married. They say
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Speaker 1: that account differs from the one she provided to investigators.
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Speaker 1: Weinstein's attorney says he thinks Evans lied about what happened.
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Speaker 1: Luscia Evans, who you will see from the documents released
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Speaker 1: as clearly in our opinion, committed perjury on several occasions,
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Speaker 1: but her attorney maintains she's telling the truth. It only
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Speaker 1: speaks volumes about the Manhattan d A's office, and it's mishandling.
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Speaker 1: In Mike client's case, they used her for months, they
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Speaker 1: had all of the evidence that they have now. They
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Speaker 1: made her walk through the scene of the crime, at
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Speaker 1: least her most personal therapy and medical records, and sit
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Speaker 1: through endless hours of interrogation and pratt. Weinstein walked into
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Speaker 1: Manhattan Criminal Court this morning, where a judge dismissed a
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Speaker 1: sexual assault allegation made by one of three women in
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Speaker 1: the case, actress Lucia Evans. She had accused the movie
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Speaker 1: producer of forcing her to perform oral sex during a
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Speaker 1: meeting at his office back in two thousand four, but
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Speaker 1: the single charge was dropped by the judge after the
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Speaker 1: court unsealed a letter Manhattan prosecutors wrote to Weinstein's lawyer
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Speaker 1: last month about new evidence uncovered. A witness claims NYPD
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Speaker 1: detective Nicholas de Gaudio coached her to stay silent about
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Speaker 1: evidence partially contradicting evans account of the sex assault allegation,
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Speaker 1: allegedly telling her less is more. You're hearing CBS New
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Speaker 1: York to reporter Alice Gainer, reporting on the stunning blow
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Speaker 1: to the state, joining me Vincent Hill, cop turned p,
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Speaker 1: I asked you willcott judge and lawyer Dr Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: renowned l a psychoanalyst and now Alexis to reschuck investigative
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Speaker 1: reporter Radar online dot Com alexas, what is happening? So
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Speaker 1: what's happened is the prosecutors in Manhattan have decided to
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Speaker 1: drop one of the sex charges against Harvey Weinstein from
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Speaker 1: the first victim who came forward, Lucia Evans. What they
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Speaker 1: are saying is that there are multiple examples that they
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Speaker 1: have found that contradict her story, her version of the
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Speaker 1: attack of Harvey Weinstein. What she said is that he
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Speaker 1: forced her to perform oral sex on him, watch to
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Speaker 1: masturbate everything that everybody knows about Harvey Weinstein. What they
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Speaker 1: said is that one of her friends had been spoken
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Speaker 1: to by a detective and said that she had a
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Speaker 1: different story, and that Lucia had told her a different story,
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Speaker 1: and the detective told this friend, will you are under
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Speaker 1: no obligation to testify, so Harvey Weinstein's attorneys argued that
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Speaker 1: this was basically witnessed tampering. The detective was not following
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Speaker 1: the right protocol, had basically, in their words, broken the
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Speaker 1: law by doing what he was doing, and was damaging
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Speaker 1: the case and the judge through the charge out because
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Speaker 1: of hers this. The NYPD says an internal affairs investigation
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Speaker 1: over the allegations against the detective began a week ago
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Speaker 1: and he is now off the case. The overall criminal
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Speaker 1: case against Mr Wine's team remains strong. The evidence is compelling.
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Speaker 1: There are five remaining counts in the indictment, including predatory
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Speaker 1: sexual assault. In total, more than seventy women have come
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Speaker 1: forward accusing Weinstein of sexual abuse, but Weinstein's lawyers are
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Speaker 1: seeking a full dismissal of the entire indictment. After evans
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Speaker 1: allegation was dismissed, we argue that the Lucia Evans perjury
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Speaker 1: contaminates certainly count one, but in our opinion, the entire
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Speaker 1: grand jury present day. Okay, that's bad. You're hearing again
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Speaker 1: from CBS New York to reporter Alice Gainer to Ashley Wilcot,
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Speaker 1: judge and lawyer, founder of child crime watch dot com. Ashley,
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Speaker 1: is there a way I think that there is that
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Speaker 1: they at least can argue, whether it's granted or not,
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Speaker 1: that one false count in a multi count indictment can
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Speaker 1: destroy the entire indictment. It can. And the problem with
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Speaker 1: this is the says the grand jury indicted. I believe
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Speaker 1: the prosecution has the right to go forward on all
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Speaker 1: of the charges, including the one the court just just dismissed.
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Speaker 1: The court said there's no corroboration, that's the credible, so
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna dismiss the charge. I don't think the court
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Speaker 1: should be doing that. The prosecution should be allowed to charge,
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Speaker 1: excuse me, try all of the charges and then let
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Speaker 1: a jury decide. Well, they can represent count six to
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Speaker 1: a grand jury, but the dismissal of count six does
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Speaker 1: not affect the remaining counts of this indictment. There have
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Speaker 1: been many times in a plea agreement when somebody's charged
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Speaker 1: with ten felony counts, I'll merge. Let's just say somebody
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Speaker 1: breaks in and they're charged with a burglary and they're
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Speaker 1: charged with theft of a car. I'll merge them. I'll say, fine,
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Speaker 1: you play guilty to the big one burglary and I'll
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Speaker 1: drop the theft by taking a car. There's many times
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Speaker 1: one count is dismissed and you go forward on the
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Speaker 1: other counts. In this case, I doubt, very seriously there's
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Speaker 1: gonna be any plea bargaining going on. Alexas Torresturant, I
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Speaker 1: just still don't understand what went wrong with Lucia Evans story.
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Speaker 1: So two things. Her friend came forward and spoke to
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Speaker 1: the detective, and the friends account of what happened was
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Speaker 1: different from Licia, so the detective. So I mean, in
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Speaker 1: any case, uh visit Hill, isn't this true? I told
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Speaker 1: a jury at the very beginning of the case, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna bring onto you one, two, three, four, and be prepared.
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Speaker 1: Three and four saw it very differently. They were both there,
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Speaker 1: they were at different angles, they saw things differently, And
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Speaker 1: then you way what they're going to tell you, And
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Speaker 1: in the end, I think you'll agree that X, Y
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Speaker 1: and Z is what happened. Every witness doesn't have to
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Speaker 1: conform exactly to the other witness. That's right, Nancy. It's
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Speaker 1: like that old trick we used to do in school,
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Speaker 1: where one person would whisper something in someone's ear. You
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Speaker 1: get around the entire classroom and the story was a
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Speaker 1: little different, but the facts pretty much were the same.
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Speaker 1: So that's exactly what could happen here when you're talking
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Speaker 1: about witnesses. A major major blow to the state in
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Speaker 1: the last hours, one of the camps against movie mugul
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Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein, has been dropped. What does it mean for
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Speaker 1: the rest of the case. How can all these women
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Speaker 1: be ignored? Held me down on the bed. I tried
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Speaker 1: to get away, tried to get him off of me,
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Speaker 1: and kept asking him to stop, but it was impossible.
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Speaker 1: I remember Harvey afterwards rolling over onto his back saying,
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Speaker 1: don't you feel we're so much closer to each other now,
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Speaker 1: to which I replied no. The next thing I knew,
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Speaker 1: he had unzipped his fly and pulled out his penis.
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Speaker 1: My heart started pounding, my mind started racing, how do
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Speaker 1: I deal with this? How do I get out of this?
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Speaker 1: Am I going to get out of this? I'm telling
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Speaker 1: you right now, what do we have to do here.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to take a shower. You sit there and
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Speaker 1: have a drink water, drink, and I stayed on the bar.
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Speaker 1: You must have me down. Please, I'm not doing anything.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry I didn't yesterday was a kind of aggressive
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Speaker 1: for I need to know a person I think doing everything. Please,
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Speaker 1: I swear I won't just sit with me. Don't embarrass
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Speaker 1: me in the hotel and here all the time. Please
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Speaker 1: sit there one minute. I ask you to go to
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Speaker 1: the that please. I don't want to do something. I
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Speaker 1: don't want to go to the back. Listen to me.
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Speaker 1: I want to go downstairs. I'm not going to do anything.
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Speaker 1: You'll never see me in after this. It's if you
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Speaker 1: if you embarrassed me in this hotel, I'm not embarrassing you.
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Speaker 1: It's just that I don't like them feel comfortable. I mean,
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Speaker 1: don't have a thing with me. Please, I'm not going
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Speaker 1: to do anything. I swear my children please come in
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Speaker 1: on everything. I'm a famous guy. You're being very uncomfortable
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Speaker 1: as coming now and one minute and if you want
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Speaker 1: to leave when the guy comes to my touch my brace, please,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You just come on. I'm used to that.
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Speaker 1: You're used to that coming, you know, but I'm not
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Speaker 1: used to that over again. See you're a minute. Please No,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to get this now, you emar you
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Speaker 1: will call me again. I'm sorry, right do anything? I know,
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Speaker 1: but yes, it was right. I mean I will never
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Speaker 1: do another thank you five minutes. You don't love your
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Speaker 1: friendship with me for five minutes. I know, but it's
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Speaker 1: kind of like it's so sne I just feel like
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Speaker 1: I want to throw up after hearing that you were
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Speaker 1: hearing when one of the alleged victims of movie mogul
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Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein coercing a young model, Ambra Batolana guitarras forcing
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Speaker 1: her or trying to into a sex act. It's disgusting
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Speaker 1: and in the last hours, one of the major counts
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Speaker 1: against this guy, Harvey Weinstein, has been dropped. Now with me.
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Speaker 1: Alexis Rushchuk, writer online dot com investigative reporter, is describing
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Speaker 1: how a so called friend of the victim, Lacia Evans,
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Speaker 1: says that Lucia told her something different at the time. Okay. Also,
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Speaker 1: prosecutors are ap pointing to a letter, a letter that
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Speaker 1: she Lucia Evans wrote to a man she later married.
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Speaker 1: What was in the letter Alexistrez Chuck Well, again, it
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Speaker 1: was a different version of what happened with Harvey Weinstein
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Speaker 1: and this but this is what happened she wrote to him.
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Speaker 1: She explained it. This is somebody she wanted to marry.
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Speaker 1: This is somebody that she was trying to not have
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Speaker 1: her whole terrible past exposed to. But it was a
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Speaker 1: different version of what she'd been telling prosecutors. And so
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Speaker 1: Harvey's lawyers had put pointed out to the judge saying,
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Speaker 1: this completely contradicts the evidence that the prosecutors are going
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Speaker 1: to present, and you must throw this out, and the
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Speaker 1: judge did. The judge took sided with Harvey Weinstein and
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Speaker 1: his top rated attorney and tossed the charge because of
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Speaker 1: her at two Special guest Dr Bethany Marshall l a psychoanalyst.
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Speaker 1: Dr Bethany I think they should have gone forward with
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Speaker 1: the charge and given it to the jury and explained
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Speaker 1: to the jury the inconsistencies. That's what I think. Although
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Speaker 1: if you have a detective who's trying to silence a witness,
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Speaker 1: that may look so bad that you should just drop
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Speaker 1: the count instead of bringing it forward, because now the
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Speaker 1: defense may bring that detective on anyway, even if that
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Speaker 1: charge is not being given to the jury, just to
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Speaker 1: tighten the entire case in front of the jury. But
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Speaker 1: I really believe that if it were me, I would
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Speaker 1: have continued with the count and explained to the jury. Look,
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Speaker 1: she planned to marry this guy. She did not want
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Speaker 1: to tell him the whole truth. Okay, so she told
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Speaker 1: him a partial truth in a letter. I mean, when
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Speaker 1: you're courting, you don't tell the object of your love
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Speaker 1: every bad thing that ever happened to you for whatever reason.
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Speaker 1: As to the friend, and I believe the victim over
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Speaker 1: the friend. I would absolutely believe the victim over the friend.
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Speaker 1: I keep wondering, what motivation does this friend have to
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Speaker 1: throw Lucia Evans under the bus. She's basically saying to
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Speaker 1: a detective, Oh no, my friend wasn't really violated. She
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Speaker 1: enjoyed the interaction with Harvey. To me, this is a
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Speaker 1: very system. This is what we call a friend of me,
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Speaker 1: not a friend somebody who does not support the friendship. Now,
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Speaker 1: I would tell the jury what I tell my patients,
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Speaker 1: which is there's a difference between having a private life
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Speaker 1: and having a secretive life. You don't have to blather
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Speaker 1: the contents of your mind to everybody. The fact is
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Speaker 1: Luccia Evans was perpetrated against. She is a victim, and
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Speaker 1: she deserves privacy even in the middle of her victimization.
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Speaker 1: She is not obligated to tell the gory truth of
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Speaker 1: what happened to everybody. She can tell it to her
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Speaker 1: therapist if she wants. She can tell it to her kynecologist,
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Speaker 1: to her care providers, to her her medical doctor. But
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Speaker 1: she's not obligated to tell a man she wants to marry,
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Speaker 1: or her best friend, or a friend she's having dinner
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Speaker 1: with that night, exactly what happened between her and Harvey.
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Speaker 1: For one, I'm not even so sure it's just because
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Speaker 1: she's trying to put her best foot forward with a
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Speaker 1: future fiance. Sometimes when people are aggressed against, it takes
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Speaker 1: them a while to realize that a bad thing happened.
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Speaker 1: Look at Monica Lewins. Okay, hold on, hold on, Bethany,
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Speaker 1: excuse me, Dr Bethany. I want everybody on this panel,
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Speaker 1: Alexis to rest. Chuck Vincent Hill, Ashley Wilcott, Dr Bethany
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Speaker 1: Marshall in the studio with me, Jackie Howard joining me
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Speaker 1: from l A. Alan Duke. Is there one person on
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Speaker 1: this panel that has a secret they've never told? Is
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Speaker 1: there one person that does not have a secret something
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Speaker 1: happened to them or some incident in their life they've
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Speaker 1: never told. For whatever reason, I do, and I'm not
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Speaker 1: going to when nobody asked me, because it's a painful
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Speaker 1: secret and it makes me feel bad and I don't
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Speaker 1: like it, and I certainly I am not going to
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Speaker 1: go and go, hey, David, guess what. No, I don't
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Speaker 1: want to. And that I'm trying to say, in simple,
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Speaker 1: very simple terms, compared to Bethany, why should she have
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Speaker 1: to tell her husband? Why not whitewash it? I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's what happened. And now that letter she wrote to
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Speaker 1: her future husband is being used against her. And I
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Speaker 1: am so upset, Ashley Wilcott because Lucia is. I'm getting chills.
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Speaker 1: I'm so upset for this woman, Lucia Evans, because I
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Speaker 1: believe her. I believe when you know when you don't
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Speaker 1: know a horse. Look at his track record, Look at
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Speaker 1: what Harvey Weinstein has done to all these women, and
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Speaker 1: then now this woman's story is getting thrown out. Remember
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Speaker 1: this asked you, Wilcot. You're the judge, you're the lawyer.
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Speaker 1: It was Lucia Evans, the victim, that introduced the friend
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Speaker 1: as a witness. That's right, okay, right, so demaniancy at
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Speaker 1: this point, it's an issue of credibility that again the
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Speaker 1: prosecution should decide to try or not. As a judge,
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Speaker 1: I don't think i'd want to be in the position,
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Speaker 1: and I don't think i'd make the decision to dismiss
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Speaker 1: one of these counts again, because I as the judge,
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Speaker 1: I'm saying it's not credible. There's this whole other version
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Speaker 1: that we've now learned, and so I'm going to toss it.
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Speaker 1: I really truly am troubled by the fact that this
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Speaker 1: is up to the state to try him for all
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Speaker 1: of these different counts, and the state should have that
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Speaker 1: opportunity to do it. So this dismissal of one count
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Speaker 1: does not sit well with me as a judge. You know, again,
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Speaker 1: when I say I don't know a horse, look at
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Speaker 1: his track record, all right, these are called similar transactions.
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Speaker 1: You don't believe, Lucia Evans. Listen. Then I went to
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Speaker 1: Cannes in May two thousand and fourteen, and whilst I
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Speaker 1: was there, Harvey Weinstein approached me in the majestics in
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Speaker 1: the lobby. It was quite forceful in the sense of
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Speaker 1: telling me to relax, and I think then I started
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Speaker 1: to like get a little bit confused. He took hold
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Speaker 1: of me and pretty much forced me to walk with
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Speaker 1: him to the bathroom where he stood me in front
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Speaker 1: of the mirror. Just when you think crime cannot will
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Speaker 1: not happen to you, it does in a flash and
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Speaker 1: there are no second chances. I can't stop predators from
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Speaker 1: coming into this world. I can't stop crime all alone,
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Speaker 1: using promo code Nancy. Take us to the moment that
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Speaker 1: you knew you were in trouble with him? Um? Well,
21:05
Speaker 1: I had met him in New York previously, um, and
21:09
Speaker 1: we had been in touch about an audition for a
21:11
Speaker 1: Quentin Tarantino film and I had submitted it to l
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Speaker 1: A and then I ran back into him later and
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Speaker 1: that's when I met with him at the Peninsula when
21:21
Speaker 1: I had moved to the West Coast, so I really
21:25
Speaker 1: didn't know anything about the Peninsula, like if he was
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Speaker 1: staying there. I thought we were meeting at the bar,
21:31
Speaker 1: which we did, and then he told me, Okay, we're
21:33
Speaker 1: going to my room now, after a few minutes of
21:35
Speaker 1: conversation about movie roles. So then we go up to
21:40
Speaker 1: the suite and I realized he kind of like has
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Speaker 1: a place there and he offers me champagne. And it
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Speaker 1: was very similar to her story that he just is
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Speaker 1: very dominant, persuasive, does not back down if you say no,
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Speaker 1: and kind of just forced me into doing something I
21:57
Speaker 1: didn't want to do. I don't want to make you
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Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable, but you know, some some people here forced
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Speaker 1: oral sex and they think how right? Like, how it
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Speaker 1: did he hold you down? Could you just help us
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Speaker 1: understand that? I feel like it was a coercive thing. Um,
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Speaker 1: just that he wouldn't let it up, that he that
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Speaker 1: it was just going to happen no matter how hard
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Speaker 1: I refused, And did you said? No? How did it end?
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Speaker 1: Did you? How did you leave the hotel room? Um?
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Speaker 1: It just that I left after pretty much he was
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Speaker 1: done with whatever he intended to do, So I just
22:41
Speaker 1: left after. I don't know how to put it. Jeff.
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Speaker 1: Let me ask Jeff, because he's there with you. Your lawyer. Um,
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Speaker 1: you filed, you filed the first lawsuit against them, and
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Speaker 1: it's not Harvey in particular, it's the Weinstein Company, And
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Speaker 1: I'm wondering, Well, first, let me ask ask you, Dominic,
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Speaker 1: do you do you Did you ever report it to
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Speaker 1: the Weinstein Company or to the board. I did not
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Speaker 1: because I had heard a lot of stories about his
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Speaker 1: behavior in the past, and I just you know, I
23:08
Speaker 1: was an actress looking for a break and he's a gatekeeper,
23:11
Speaker 1: and he I felt that he used his position, you know,
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Speaker 1: to try to make me do something that is not
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Speaker 1: in accord with how I usually behave. You were just
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Speaker 1: then hearing actress Dominique Hewitt speaking to Making Kelly. Earlier,
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Speaker 1: you heard Cardian Noble describing weinstey sex assault on her
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Speaker 1: in a majestic hotel in France. You know, it just
23:32
Speaker 1: never ends with this guy. And in the last hours
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Speaker 1: he's been out in the front of the courthouse waving
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Speaker 1: triumphantly as another blow to the state goes down account
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Speaker 1: where the victim was. Lucia Evans has been totally dismissed
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Speaker 1: because she apparently had written a letter to her now
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Speaker 1: husband with a slightly different version of what happened. She
23:58
Speaker 1: didn't want to reveal everything, apparently, and some quote friend
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Speaker 1: unquote says that she performed a sex act on Harvey
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Speaker 1: Weinstein to get a job acting. You know, it's just
24:11
Speaker 1: the same old story, Alexis Tourez Chuck, women being attacked
24:17
Speaker 1: when you you can't. Here's how it goes down. First
24:20
Speaker 1: of all, in my experience of many many years trying cases,
24:24
Speaker 1: rate cases, specifically, first that if it says I didn't
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Speaker 1: do that. I don't even know her, I've never seen
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Speaker 1: her before. Then it's established they were together the night
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Speaker 1: of the incident. Then he goes, okay, we were together,
24:35
Speaker 1: but nothing happened. Then you have a picture of somebody
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Speaker 1: with bruises on their arms or a black eye or
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Speaker 1: torn clothing. They go, um, okay, we did have sex,
24:48
Speaker 1: but it was consensual. Then you show the bruises, and
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Speaker 1: then they go, oh, well she liked rough sex. And
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Speaker 1: in the end, I mean, once you go through every
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Speaker 1: single defense, they go, well, she's a big party girl.
25:02
Speaker 1: You know, this is this is what she wanted. She's this,
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Speaker 1: she's that, she's that, she's this, she's a liar. So
25:08
Speaker 1: now we're at that stage where the victims are being
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Speaker 1: attacked to like this and this is just the beginning.
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Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein has decades attacking women, and he's still doing
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Speaker 1: it now, just through his lawyer, and he has been
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Speaker 1: able to turn what would have been her embarrassing secret
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Speaker 1: that she didn't want to tell somebody into proof that
25:30
Speaker 1: it didn't happen. Even though she has been so vocal
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Speaker 1: about it, She's not the only victim. She's she's one
25:35
Speaker 1: of many that have come forward so credibly and told
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Speaker 1: basically the exact same story over and over and over again.
25:42
Speaker 1: But there's also been a problem, and it's really the
25:45
Speaker 1: opposite with the Manhattan District Attorney's office because they for
25:49
Speaker 1: years refused to prosecute anything about Harvey, and the d
25:53
Speaker 1: A was getting campaign contributions from Harvey's attorneys and Harvey's investigators.
25:57
Speaker 1: Now they're trying to prosecute it, and they're now saying
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Speaker 1: they didn't they didn't do the right job. They were
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Speaker 1: trying to do it in his favor with the detective,
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Speaker 1: and that now they're saying that the detective told her
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Speaker 1: friend there is something way under note wrong with the
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Speaker 1: Manhattan d A's office. There's just too many stories of
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Speaker 1: them not prosecuting that, not prosecuting this, not going forward,
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Speaker 1: not investigating. I mean, they had this evidence forever, Vincent Hill,
26:23
Speaker 1: You're a cock turned p I. They had the victim,
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Speaker 1: one of the victims wired that we played earlier. Remember uh,
26:31
Speaker 1: that was the sound of Ambra Guterres saying no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: you did this to me before. No, I'm not doing
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Speaker 1: this again. And they did nothing. They've been sitting on
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Speaker 1: this forever. Now they screw up account and drop it.
26:45
Speaker 1: It makes you question like is it a power thing?
26:48
Speaker 1: Is it a money thing? I mean, why would they
26:51
Speaker 1: not investigate this? You heard this young lady basically pleading
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Speaker 1: for her safety, and you hear Weinstein, you know, trying
26:58
Speaker 1: to get her in this room to do the set
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Speaker 1: you act and they don't prosecute. So it really makes
27:02
Speaker 1: you wonder what the heck is going on at that
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Speaker 1: d a's office that they didn't prosecute this guy way
27:07
Speaker 1: back then. Well, I want you to hear what Lucia
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Speaker 1: Evans lawyer Carrie Goldberg has to say. Instead of rising
27:14
Speaker 1: to the challenge of their mistakes, the d A jumped
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Speaker 1: ship at their first opportunity, and Dance has done this before,
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Speaker 1: in fact, with Weinstein himself, and we must ask why
27:26
Speaker 1: is it so hard to hold rich, powerful predators responsible?
27:31
Speaker 1: It raises really serious questions at bias, you know, and
27:35
Speaker 1: people always ask why don't sexual assault survivors come forward?
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Speaker 1: This is why today is why. That's exactly why Dr
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, that is exactly why women won't come forward. Listen,
27:48
Speaker 1: this so called friend never gave a different story until
27:52
Speaker 1: her father, who was a lawyer, subjected her to a
27:55
Speaker 1: lot of questions, and suddenly she doesn't about face and
27:58
Speaker 1: changes her story, claiming that the victim performed a sex
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Speaker 1: act on Weinstein to get an acting job. You know
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Speaker 1: what this woman, Lucia Evans went through to come forward,
28:11
Speaker 1: and now this Dr Bathy. It's interesting that the friend's
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Speaker 1: father is an attorney, because listening to all this, I
28:18
Speaker 1: keep thinking it's just a good old boys club. It's
28:21
Speaker 1: Benjamin Braffman calling his friend at the d A who
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Speaker 1: calls somebody else and they all strike back. The backdoor
28:28
Speaker 1: deals and the maintaining of the men's reputations are more
28:37
Speaker 1: important than believing the victims in this case. And I
28:41
Speaker 1: think the fact that there's something of a sexual nature
28:44
Speaker 1: of Harvey Weinstein's crimes, and that all these prosecutors, these men,
28:50
Speaker 1: all these people are men. They're not women that are
28:53
Speaker 1: handling these cases their men. And I think there's this
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Speaker 1: unconscious need um to protect each other and to believe
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Speaker 1: that one of their own could not have suggested a
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Speaker 1: woman to this. I have to agree with you. I
29:08
Speaker 1: think in this case, for not just because their man,
29:10
Speaker 1: but for some reason, they are covering for Harvey Weinstein
29:15
Speaker 1: instead of rising to the challenge of their mistakes. The
29:18
Speaker 1: d a jumped ship at their first opportunity, and Dance
29:22
Speaker 1: has done this before, in fact, with Weinstein himself, and
29:27
Speaker 1: we must ask why is it so hard to hold rich,
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Speaker 1: powerful predators responsible. It raises really serious questions of bias,
29:37
Speaker 1: you know, and people always ask why don't sexual assault
29:40
Speaker 1: survivors come forward? This is why today is why I
29:45
Speaker 1: agree with the lawyer for Lucia Evans. I am stunned, stunned, angry, distraught.
29:54
Speaker 1: One of the charges against multi millionaire movie mogul Harvey
30:01
Speaker 1: Weinstein has been dropped. I mean, you know, to Ashley Wilcott,
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Speaker 1: judge and lawyer, every witness you put on the standards
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Speaker 1: they used to tell my juries. Who do you think
30:13
Speaker 1: I'm putting up on the stand nuns and priests and virgins.
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Speaker 1: That's not happening. Who do you think is going to
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Speaker 1: witness a murder and the middle of a whorehouse? Okay,
30:25
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be the archbishop, all right. My witnesses
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Speaker 1: have problems. Okay, they may not be the kind of
30:34
Speaker 1: witness that you'd bring home to dinner with your family
30:37
Speaker 1: at Thanksgiving, but witnesses come in all different an array
30:44
Speaker 1: of likability, and just because there is a claim against
30:50
Speaker 1: a witness, it's not a reason to drop a charge
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Speaker 1: of this magnitude, Ashley. No, if that were the case,
30:57
Speaker 1: criminal charges would be dropped everything the day, Because you're
31:00
Speaker 1: exactly right. You take your witness as you find them,
31:04
Speaker 1: and then at your job as a prosecutor to to
31:08
Speaker 1: make their testimony credible to the eyes of the jury
31:13
Speaker 1: and them to tell exactly what they know about the case.
31:16
Speaker 1: That's the nature of our justice system. So again, this
31:19
Speaker 1: is one why it was dismissed is beyond me, you know, Ashley.
31:23
Speaker 1: Let me tell you a little story. I once had
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Speaker 1: a woman who went by the name Nudy Pride. Okay,
31:30
Speaker 1: my children loved the story. And she got mad at
31:34
Speaker 1: her girlfriend and set a fire and burned down the
31:37
Speaker 1: whole apartment complex. Okay, I don't think that's what she
31:41
Speaker 1: meant to do, but that's what happened. Then she sat
31:43
Speaker 1: on the hood of her car and drank a beer
31:45
Speaker 1: and watched it burn. As I recall the facts. Well,
31:48
Speaker 1: all right, who do you think was gonna be my witness? Who? Well,
31:51
Speaker 1: I found a witness. When the witness came in, it
31:54
Speaker 1: was an I think it was August in Atlanta. Here
31:58
Speaker 1: she came walking into the court room. She had a
32:01
Speaker 1: huge fake for her hat in August, and I had
32:04
Speaker 1: to be hunding in one degrees outside. You could smell
32:07
Speaker 1: the booze on her from three feet away. But she
32:10
Speaker 1: walked past that jury. They all just looked at me.
32:13
Speaker 1: I'm like, what I mean, what can I do? She
32:17
Speaker 1: got up on the stand and she told her story,
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Speaker 1: and she was believable. God bless her and Nudi pride
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Speaker 1: a k A. I don't know remember her real name.
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Speaker 1: I went to jail. She had burned down an entire
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Speaker 1: apartment complex. Um long. Nobody was killed. By the way,
32:36
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is that that's just one of many,
32:38
Speaker 1: many examples. I could go on and on and on.
32:43
Speaker 1: I remember driving around inner city Atlanta trying to find
32:46
Speaker 1: another witness, and guess who was leading me around town.
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Speaker 1: A convicted rapist who told me this whole story made
32:52
Speaker 1: it sound very believable. Okay, whatever I found the witness. You,
32:57
Speaker 1: as I used to say to Vincent Hill, sometimes you
33:02
Speaker 1: gotta go to hell to get your witness to put
33:05
Speaker 1: the devil in jail. In other words, you take your
33:09
Speaker 1: witness the way you find I mean, you make the
33:11
Speaker 1: best of it, and don't put perfume on the pig.
33:15
Speaker 1: Don't try to lie to a jury. I remember trying
33:18
Speaker 1: to avoid having to tell a jury that my other
33:21
Speaker 1: witness to an ac assault was a stripper. I just
33:25
Speaker 1: tried to pretend it was normal that she was at
33:27
Speaker 1: at three am and a cheerleading costume. But they saw
33:30
Speaker 1: straight through that in a New York minute. And I
33:34
Speaker 1: learned at the beginning, don't withhold, don't try to gloss
33:37
Speaker 1: over it. Just tell it like it is, Vincent. That's right,
33:41
Speaker 1: Tell it like it is, Nancy. Don't try to put
33:43
Speaker 1: on the fancy suit for this witness. Present them just
33:46
Speaker 1: like they are, because you know the defense is gonna
33:50
Speaker 1: eat that alive. So just let people know what it
33:53
Speaker 1: is from the get go eat it alive, and and
33:55
Speaker 1: then it gives the defense kind of something to latch onto.
33:59
Speaker 1: It throws him above own. If you try to cover
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Speaker 1: up something about a witness, or just don't tell the
34:03
Speaker 1: jury something like oh, yeah, the victims she's as stripper. Okay,
34:07
Speaker 1: just tell them, tell them and let it get it
34:10
Speaker 1: out and then try your case. You know, I'm just
34:15
Speaker 1: so I'm just so depressed about this. Um, I feel
34:19
Speaker 1: like I got kicked in the teeth, Ashley, what's that
34:21
Speaker 1: all about. It's not my case. I'm not prosecuting it,
34:24
Speaker 1: but it's just such a blow. Well, that's because these
34:28
Speaker 1: victims are all women, and we can all relate to
34:31
Speaker 1: these women. Everyone on this line right now is a
34:34
Speaker 1: working female, and as a working female, you have relationships
34:38
Speaker 1: with bosson and people that you think, oh, sorry, Vincent,
34:42
Speaker 1: I apologize, I forgot your on the line, but we
34:46
Speaker 1: all have to admit we have or have had bosses,
34:50
Speaker 1: and those people are in a position of trust, whether
34:53
Speaker 1: we're male or female, and as a result, we think
34:56
Speaker 1: that we can trust them to be appropriate, to be
34:59
Speaker 1: a mentor, or maybe they're a crappy boss, but we
35:02
Speaker 1: still trust they're not going to sexually assault us. That's
35:06
Speaker 1: why this resonates with you so much. I think you
35:08
Speaker 1: know to Alexis, to Rose Chuck and all started when
35:11
Speaker 1: Weinstein got the green light to bring in the victims emails. Okay,
35:18
Speaker 1: and what do we believe we're in the emails? Alexis,
35:22
Speaker 1: It was a lot of her personal history, but the
35:24
Speaker 1: one email that really triggered this was an email she
35:27
Speaker 1: sent in two thousand fifteen. So before all the news broke,
35:32
Speaker 1: before anybody knew what Harvey Weinstein had done outside of
35:36
Speaker 1: the people in Hollywood that had known about it for decades, Well,
35:40
Speaker 1: what did what do we believe? We believe that it's
35:44
Speaker 1: it told a different story. It did not say that
35:47
Speaker 1: Harvey had attacked her the way that she has described
35:50
Speaker 1: it to other folks. But this was to a man
35:52
Speaker 1: that she was dating, and he eventually became Oh so
35:56
Speaker 1: that okay. So that is when I'm saying letter, It
36:00
Speaker 1: was that email. Okay. There are still multiple felony counts
36:05
Speaker 1: against Weinstein. Let's just pray and hope that the truth
36:11
Speaker 1: comes out in court. And on another note, I want
36:15
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36:18
Speaker 1: I've talked about this many times. Alexis and I have
36:20
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36:24
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36:28
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36:32
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