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Red and Blue: Jarom Jordan on BYU spring football beginning Friday, AJ Dybantsa the biggest star in the state (?) + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 3: forty eight. That's three five, five to two one one
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  Speaker 3: zero four eight. Jarff Jordan, Welcome back to the show.
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  Speaker 4: How are you, Sean.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing great, man, I'm doing great. And it's its
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  Speaker 2: fun that JT and I gets alternate because JT is
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  Speaker 2: on our pre and post game coverage on BATV for
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  Speaker 2: men's hoops home games, and we we have a tradition
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  Speaker 2: we go out to eat after And so did I
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  Speaker 2: find myself at in and Out in Orum with me
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  Speaker 2: and JT at one am last week?
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  Speaker 4: Yes? I did.
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  Speaker 2: And did I wake up at six o'clock to watch
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  Speaker 2: the USA kick Canadian butt in hockey?
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  Speaker 4: Yes? I did.
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  Speaker 1: All right, We're still basking in the glow of that.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I mean, bro, have you seen the videos of
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  Speaker 2: from the movie Miracle? There they're drawing lines through people
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  Speaker 2: they got cut, and one of the names.
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  Speaker 4: Is jack Hues.
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  Speaker 1: Did you that I didn't see that?
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that unbelievable. I think it's just a random name.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they used like the real names of
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  Speaker 2: the chops that got cut. But one of the names
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  Speaker 2: was Jackie Cughes, who scores the game winning goal for
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  Speaker 2: America and takes one in the chicklets because Usa USA.
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  Speaker 2: It's beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: Jack Hughes.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, Jack, if you haven't read the stories
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  Speaker 3: about Jack and Quinn Hughes's mother who played Team USA
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  Speaker 3: hockey in nineteen ninety two and then settled down and
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  Speaker 3: gave us the most recent sports American hero, and yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you need to go and read those things too. But
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  Speaker 3: you and I are the same age, and I think
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  Speaker 3: that you probably a lot like me where you were
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  Speaker 3: you were raised in, you know, a sports enough culture
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  Speaker 3: that you were aware of nineteen eighty You were aware
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  Speaker 3: of the Miracle and ice you saw the movie. You
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  Speaker 3: knew about it. Even before you saw the movie. You
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  Speaker 3: had heard maybe the most iconic sports call in the
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  Speaker 3: history of broadcasting. But now we got to watch our
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  Speaker 3: own version of it. And it's not exactly apples to
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  Speaker 3: apples because there's not the same geopolitical tension in that
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  Speaker 3: underdog story. And obviously you got NHL All Stars versus
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  Speaker 3: NHL All Stars. But the magnitude of nineteen eighties victory
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  Speaker 3: over the Soviet Union and the patriotism that came from
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  Speaker 3: that and the hockey participation that came from that, I
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  Speaker 3: think was very significant for the growth of the sport
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  Speaker 3: in our country. What do you think the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 3: six gold is going to do for hockey in our
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  Speaker 3: country and more specifically for hockey in Utah because it
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  Speaker 3: comes at the most opportune time where we now have
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  Speaker 3: our own NHL franchise, one of whom was on the
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  Speaker 3: ice or was on the team and brings a gold
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  Speaker 3: medal back. We've got a Winter Classic coming. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it's hockey is having its rise right now and we
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  Speaker 3: got a gold medal as part of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a massive moment for USA hockey, and certainly
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  Speaker 2: the growth in this state thanks to the Mammoth and
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  Speaker 2: the efforts of many is awesome.
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  Speaker 4: It's happening.
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  Speaker 2: Early in my correct called a couple of hockey games
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  Speaker 2: for YU on BATV and it was fun to like
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  Speaker 2: immerse myself in it and like learn the rules at
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  Speaker 2: a higher level. And now it's fun to see them
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  Speaker 2: mams and and kind of work by the scenes a
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  Speaker 2: little bit there.
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  Speaker 4: It's a big moment.
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  Speaker 2: Is it as big as kind of ninety two Dream
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  Speaker 2: Team for basketball?
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  Speaker 4: Internationally?
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  Speaker 2: Perhaps not? But I think for hockey in the America,
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  Speaker 2: it keeps the momentum going. It's Kanada's number one thing,
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  Speaker 2: and we got them in men and women's I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this was a glorious moment. We don't like go at
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  Speaker 2: it with Canada on too much, too many thanks, but
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  Speaker 2: that was fun that in hockey we're able to get
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  Speaker 2: both and dramatically in ot.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that's awesome. I think that moment with Jack.
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  Speaker 2: Hughes is up there with like Landon Donovan's goal against Algeria.
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  Speaker 2: You remember where you were when there was this cool
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  Speaker 2: USA moment because our nationalism associated to national teams is
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  Speaker 2: not super strong compared to most other countries in the world,
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  Speaker 2: where they're invested in that one sport and it's everything right.
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  Speaker 2: Like I lived in Brazil when Brazil played Argentina as
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  Speaker 2: a missionar, I couldn't talk to anybody they were watching
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  Speaker 2: the game. We don't have that right, but I think
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  Speaker 2: we did on Sunday morning, and did I wave goodbye
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  Speaker 2: to my sorry, my wife and my daughter who went
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  Speaker 2: to church without me for a minute. Yeah, I was
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  Speaker 2: late because I wasn't gonna miss that and uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: my two other kids were staying at home. It was
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  Speaker 2: a moment, man, and it was it was just super cool.
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  Speaker 2: I love when we can, and that's what sports. Sports provides, right,
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  Speaker 2: we came together and celebrated in Johnny Hockey's kids around
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  Speaker 2: the ice.
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  Speaker 4: With a sweater.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, come on, that's.
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  Speaker 4: Bigger than sports. And it was beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that that moment right there was a tear jerker
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  Speaker 3: and a bunch of a holy cow as much of
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  Speaker 3: a human interest piece as you're ever gonna find in
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  Speaker 3: sports anywhere, And it seemed like it was a totally
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  Speaker 3: organic thing that the players themselves wanted.
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  Speaker 1: To do that.
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  Speaker 3: You know that that was I think maybe what I
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  Speaker 3: appreciated most about it is that it happened. Didn't feel
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  Speaker 3: like somebody at the network was like I want this.
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  Speaker 4: Photo op right right.
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  Speaker 2: The bonds of brotherhood on that team and sisterhood with
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  Speaker 2: you know, one to buy with States players. His sister
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  Speaker 2: Nate Heisy, his sister Taylor was on the team USA
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  Speaker 2: Hawks team. So we're talking about that Saturday ahead of
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  Speaker 2: that game, and it's just sports are cool, Like they
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  Speaker 2: can be incredible. They can bring people together in an
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  Speaker 2: amazing way. It's bigger than that game. It's bigger than
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  Speaker 2: you and me. It's just beautiful and I love when
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  Speaker 2: that happens. And when it's on a national level like that,
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  Speaker 2: on an international stage, it's really really epic.
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  Speaker 3: Jerem Jordan is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell
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  Speaker 3: show for a little Red and blue. We talked some red,
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  Speaker 3: white and blue there with team USC. Now let's get
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  Speaker 3: into hey b Yu and what's going on with those sports. Look,
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  Speaker 3: I gotta make sure I give time to BYU spring football,
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  Speaker 3: which starts this week. But this men's hoops team has
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  Speaker 3: now faced some adversity and you're without Richie Saunders, which
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  Speaker 3: you and I have already discussed, I think, and that's
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  Speaker 3: a massive problem for them moving forward. But we saw
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  Speaker 3: in a really important game, Aj debonsa kind of put
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  Speaker 3: the team on his back in a way, and the
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  Speaker 3: bench players like some unfamiliar supporting characters, giving some real production.
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  Speaker 3: And we saw maybe a formula that I don't know
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  Speaker 3: how replicable it is, but there's a formula now where
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  Speaker 3: you can win without Richie, even against some of the
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  Speaker 3: elite teams in the Big Twelve Conference. So I guess
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  Speaker 3: my question for you is can what we saw from
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  Speaker 3: BYU with Aj having playing all forty minutes and really
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  Speaker 3: carrying that load and Canard Davis stepping up and finding
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  Speaker 3: some things that we haven't seen a lot of this year.
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  Speaker 3: Can you do that over and over again down the stretch?
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  Speaker 4: That is the question.
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  Speaker 2: And BYU, you know the four games left in the
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  Speaker 2: regular season, three of those you're not playing a top
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  Speaker 2: twenty five team, and there the next three. UCF is
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  Speaker 2: a projected nine seed. They're tied with boy and eight
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  Speaker 2: and and the standings. This is a big game tonight
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  Speaker 2: for standings, for keeping it going. It's squad two opportunity
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  Speaker 2: for BYU. And then you have a tough road swing
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  Speaker 2: in West Virginia at Cincinnati. Cincinnati just took it to
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  Speaker 2: Kansas at fall Gallen Fieldhouse by sixteen on Saturday. They
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  Speaker 2: are sneaky, They are dangerous. Bobba Miller, David Thomas and
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  Speaker 2: those guys are pretty good.
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  Speaker 4: So that's the sneaky game.
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  Speaker 2: Texas Tech at home is a very interesting one because
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  Speaker 2: you look at Texas Tech and no JT top now
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  Speaker 2: without who's out with an ACL tear as well, that's
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  Speaker 2: a massive blow to them. They just put up one
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  Speaker 2: hundred against Kansas stay without him, like, we'll see what
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  Speaker 2: they are without topping. But that was impressive. And oh,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, that's a team that has beaten Duke,
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  Speaker 2: Houston and Arizona this year. They have as good of
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  Speaker 2: a resume by top end width as anybody in the country.
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  Speaker 2: And that will be senior night or freshman night for
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  Speaker 2: aj Debonta, and so that'll be interesting. I do think
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  Speaker 2: that what Buoi did is somewhat replicable. Rob Right had
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  Speaker 2: a terrible game on offense. Buoy still won because they
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  Speaker 2: got thirty five points from Boskovic, Canard Davis and then
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  Speaker 2: five points but ten important rebounds from Hideen Boop off
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  Speaker 2: the bench, and so I think those guys felt like
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  Speaker 2: they don't have to look.
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  Speaker 4: Over their shoulder and feel like they're gonna get pulled.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're pretty secure and kind of what's my
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  Speaker 2: role and I've gotta deliver. Likenar Davis has to score
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  Speaker 2: double digits for BOI most nights now, and he has
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  Speaker 2: been the.
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  Speaker 4: Last four games, three the last four games, and I
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  Speaker 4: think BOI can do it.
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  Speaker 2: They can go on a little bit of a run here,
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  Speaker 2: win a second round game, hopefully win a quarterfinal game,
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  Speaker 2: and then they're they're probably like a sixth seed. They
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  Speaker 2: might even slide up to a five. If something goes crazy,
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  Speaker 2: maybe a four. But I think DUI's kind of pacing
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  Speaker 2: to get some confidence, get some wins going into March,
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  Speaker 2: kind of peak at the right time, and then be
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  Speaker 2: very competitive in an NCAA tournament where there's not a
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  Speaker 2: single person that probably wants to say, yeah, I want
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  Speaker 2: to guard a j Demons like BOI will have the
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  Speaker 2: best player in the game every game they play in
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  Speaker 2: March Madison. Hopefully that can equal a Sweet sixteen, and.
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  Speaker 4: Then if they went beyond that, that's great. But I
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  Speaker 4: think that's kind.
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  Speaker 2: Of the hope for this team is still with that
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  Speaker 2: level of talent, especially the way AJ's playing, He's off
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  Speaker 2: the charts good right now, that they can at least
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  Speaker 2: get to a Sweet sixteen.
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  Speaker 3: So I mean, I think that when we looked at
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  Speaker 3: this roster heading into the year, it felt kind of
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  Speaker 3: like Elite eight or Bust, not Final four bus that's
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  Speaker 3: never realistic. Is Sweet sixteen over Bust a recalibration or
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  Speaker 3: is that how it should have been all year?
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  Speaker 2: No, it's a recalibration based on mainly the like once
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  Speaker 2: Richie towards.
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  Speaker 4: AC, I was like, Okay, we got to reassess here.
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  Speaker 2: But BIOI was not playing good defense. They lost to
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  Speaker 2: Oklahoma State. That's a Quad two loss. Boy's worst loss
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  Speaker 2: of Quad two. It's not like they had some Quad
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  Speaker 2: three or four loss.
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  Speaker 4: Let's not get credit.
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  Speaker 2: But the expectation was that they would be top ten.
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  Speaker 2: They've been top twenty. They're at nineteen right now in
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  Speaker 2: net and rank.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's pretty.
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  Speaker 2: Proper based on where they are in most of the rankings.
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  Speaker 2: They're definitely a top twenty five team. It's a reassessment
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  Speaker 2: for sure, but it is going to be more about matchups.
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  Speaker 2: Like for example, Iowa State is a great matchup for BYU.
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  Speaker 2: They've won four of five against when and in those
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  Speaker 2: five matchups, Sean both teams were ranked in both in
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  Speaker 2: all five and BOAS won four or five against Iowa State.
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  Speaker 2: Now against Houston, it's very different against Arizona. I think
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  Speaker 2: that's the Arizona is awesome. That is they're the best
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  Speaker 2: team in the Big twelve. They're probably the second best
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  Speaker 2: team in America.
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  Speaker 4: You know they're they're they're really good. It's it's going to.
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  Speaker 2: Be interesting to see who BOI matches up up and where.
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  Speaker 2: But when you get into a first and second round game.
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  Speaker 2: You are not playing a team of the ILK of
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  Speaker 2: Arizona or Houston or you know, Kansas or or it's
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  Speaker 2: like kind of that level. But you played a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of those games. It's not like you haven't been weathered.
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  Speaker 2: This bo team will have played so many top ten,
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  Speaker 2: top fifteen net teams this year, Yukon, Kansas Tech, Tech,
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  Speaker 2: I would state, Houston, Arizona. This team will be ready
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  Speaker 2: for that moment. Team was and they were six. They
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  Speaker 2: beat three seed Wisconsin. I think BOI is more prepared
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  Speaker 2: this year in terms of sort of what they've been
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  Speaker 2: through because the top end of the Big twelve has
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  Speaker 2: been unbelievable. So I welcome that sort of challenge where
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  Speaker 2: BUOI is not like, man, this is way tougher then
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  Speaker 2: we've They've been in a ton of these games. I
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  Speaker 2: think that will really provide value in the second round
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  Speaker 2: and hopefully beyond.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, this is a callback to a show I did,
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  Speaker 3: I think Friday of last week, but we were talking
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  Speaker 3: about the concept of you know, win big or busts
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  Speaker 3: Championship or bust in the case of BYU basketball, We'll
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  Speaker 3: leave it at Sweet sixteen or bust. What does or
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  Speaker 3: bust actually mean, what is the bust version of this? Like,
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  Speaker 3: is it you know some of the big donors that
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  Speaker 3: helped construct this team don't get the ROI that they
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  Speaker 3: thought they would and say, all right, maybe we need
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  Speaker 3: to recalibrate our giving, Maybe we need to double down
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  Speaker 3: on this, Maybe we need to re examine how top
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  Speaker 3: heavy we go with our recruiting and try to add
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  Speaker 3: more depth to this roster, whatever that decision is. Because
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  Speaker 3: we throw it out there so casually, well it's it's playoff,
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  Speaker 3: college football, playoff or bust, and you're like, what is
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  Speaker 3: the bust?
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  Speaker 1: Are you gonna fire the coach if he doesn't get there?
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  Speaker 3: We've seen that in the NFL, We've seen that in
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  Speaker 3: the NBA, where a team has these elevated expectations and
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  Speaker 3: if you're not quite good enough to reach them, you
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  Speaker 3: lose a job. That's not gonna happen with b YU
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  Speaker 3: football or b YU basketball. But what is the or
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  Speaker 3: bust in this particular version of that, it's a oh
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  Speaker 3: do we lose Jerem right as he was about to
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  Speaker 3: answer that question, Okay, we're gonna we're gonna reconnect. I
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  Speaker 3: guarantee he was just giving us an absolute a plus answer,
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  Speaker 3: and unfortunately we lost him on the connection, so James
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  Speaker 3: is going to try to reconnect with him. The recalibration
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  Speaker 3: is an interesting thing, right because you have to be
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  Speaker 3: a realist as a fan and know that Richie Saunders
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  Speaker 3: is massively, massively important to this team and it's not
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  Speaker 3: a consolation of any sort that like, well, you just
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  Speaker 3: can't win at the same clip without him, so you
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  Speaker 3: got to just be happy with a sort of lesser outcome.
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  Speaker 3: But again, if you're gonna set yourself up for success
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  Speaker 3: and not supreme disappointment, you kind of have to prepare
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  Speaker 3: yourself for that eventual outcome, maybe potentially if you're at BYU.
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  Speaker 3: The other thing about this BYU football team by excuse
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  Speaker 3: me vou basketball team right now is that Jerem just
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  Speaker 3: touched on it.
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  Speaker 1: They have.
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  Speaker 3: It's not like they're untalented on the bench. It's not
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  Speaker 3: like the guy outside of Rob Wright and Richie Saunders
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  Speaker 3: and aj Debonds especially are just schlubs who can't do anything.
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  Speaker 3: It's not like none of them are getting a nice
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  Speaker 3: little stipend and treated well down there at BYU.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, these are good players.
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  Speaker 3: The role that you are asked to play on a
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  Speaker 3: team evolving, changing morphing because of who's available in front
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  Speaker 3: of you, who's available behind you. Is something that good
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  Speaker 3: coaching has to prepare for, is something that good players
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  Speaker 3: have to be able to adjust to. And Canard Davis
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  Speaker 3: is the guy right now who's being asked to carry
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  Speaker 3: the load he didn't expect to have to carry at
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  Speaker 3: any point, and so far he's doing a decent job
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  Speaker 3: of it. Now my question is going to be the
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  Speaker 3: sustainability of it. Does it make sense that you can
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  Speaker 3: still be as lofty with your expectations for BAU moving forward.
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  Speaker 3: And I lean on Jared because he's got his finger
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  Speaker 3: on the pulse of that fan base better than just
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  Speaker 3: about anybody.
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  Speaker 1: And he's like, no, it's a.
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  Speaker 3: Recalibration, but sweet sixteen is still tough. To make it
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  Speaker 3: to the sweet sixteen. Of course, you also have this
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  Speaker 3: trump card that very few teams in the country can boast.
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  Speaker 3: Aj Debonsa is not good enough to win you college
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  Speaker 3: basketball games purely by himself, but he's as good as
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  Speaker 3: two guys on most rosters put together. And if he's
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  Speaker 3: able and willing to give you forty minutes a game
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  Speaker 3: and put up thirty point triple doubles. Tournament basketball is very,
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  Speaker 3: very star driven, especially when you get down to the
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  Speaker 3: really good teams, especially when you get past that first weekend,
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  Speaker 3: the wheat separates from the chaff. The men separate from
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: the boys in NCAA basketball with relative quickness. And yeah,
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: you have Cinderella's and your outliers, and that's one of
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: the things we love so much about the tournament. But
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: most years, more years than not, it's the teams who
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: have AJ debances that are playing in the Elite eight
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: in the final four, and the teams that have like
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: kind of also rams and hey, how do you dose
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: those guys? Don't put don't don't stay around as often.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: All Right, Jeremy got cut off right as you were
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: about to give the greatest answer to maybe the greatest
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: question in the history of sports talk radio. So I'm
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: going to reopen your opportunity to do that if you'd like.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, good to know you didn't get any of that.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I guess I shifted one foot in.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: The wrong direction in my office here.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Terrible.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, So it's a great question. I don't think that
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: there's any and or bust associated with US. I think
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: the relevance of AJ Demonsa will carry into the draft
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: where he's number one and number two. I think it
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: will carry you into his NBA career like it has
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: with the Gordoniehmen and that attachment to Boyu.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: And Kevin Young.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: I think the relevance the BYU leading into SVP almost
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: every game, it feels like on the weekends and win
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: or lose, like I think, Boa basketball is on the
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: map and way it hasn't been a long time, and
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: that it's been worth it now. You certainly want to
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: punctuate that with wins and with the Sweet sixteen plus,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: but I think AJ and his brand have really carried
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: and made it everything worth it here. Also, the injuries
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: to Dawson Baker and Richie Saunders, they changed the equation.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: They just really did for BA. I think they would
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: for most teams.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: If you know a top three guy, an NBA guy
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: and then your sixth man, we're out, like that just
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: changes how good you really can be and the expectation.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: So I don't know that anyone's going to get their
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: feet held to the flame too hard here if things
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: don't go well there. I think boys still on a
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: trajectory where They're going to be very interesting in March.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Mannets and aj is going to be one of the
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: stars of the tournament, and hopefully that means at least
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: two wins.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Man Jerem Jordan, by the way, reconnected here on the
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Sean O'Connell Show, brought to you by our friends down
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: at Murdock Forward Santa Quinn. So we'll hold our breaths.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: We'll see what these final few regular season games look like. Obviously,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: the Big Twelve Tournament is a terror in its own rights,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: but BYU is going to make the NCAA tournament and
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: we'll be dialed in on how far they can get. Now,
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: let's talk BYU Spring football, which to my knowledge, opens
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: on Friday. This is a team that comes in with
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: I guess a minimal amount of questions, at least for me. Yeah,
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: you lost Jay Hill, that's not insignificant. But I'm a
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: big fan of K Pop. I think he's gonna do
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: just fine. And the luxury that he has that a
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: lot of coaches don't in a new era of college
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: football is he kind of knows what he's got defensively
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: because he didn't lose people to the transfer portal at
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: least at least we don't think, you know, very important
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: people to the transfer portal offensively. I'll let you answer
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: the question about, you know, maybe where there's some holes
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: to fill.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: But this is a.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: BYU team that was really, really good last season and
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: didn't lose a ton in the effort of staying good.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: So yeah, the continuity is crazy awesome. So yeah, some
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: of the questions going in the springball obviously no Chase,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: no Parker. You're looking, where's the production going to come from?
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: That's a big question.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Kyler Casper comes from Oregon where he had mental productions,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: some injuries. You bring in two tight ends, you like,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Roger Saliapaga from Oregon, Walker Lyons, writer's older brother from USC.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: I think those three play into the mix. Jojo Phillips
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: is a nice contributed there. Cody Hagen. Is he more
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: involved in the past game not just kind of the
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: tornado reverse kick return guy? And then they bring it
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: three young bucks that they really like, Legend Glask from
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Lehigh High School, Terrence Sereon from Vancouver, Washington, and then
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Jared Pula, big time recruit out of the state of
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Utah that they're excited about. So I think The combination
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: of that group with the tight ends could be really interesting.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: It's Taane Nakua guy, so yeah, that that group has
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: something to prove for sure at tight end.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: They like who they.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Replace Carson Ryan with, you know, with Roger sali.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: Apagin Walker Lions o line.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: They brought in Packy Finale from Washington. Perhaps he's the
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: left tackle. Junior ce I from Utah State could perhaps
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: be the left guard or right guard for Waynon Lapuahu.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Bruce Mitchell, Andrew Gentry Back obviously l J. Martin Uh
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: and Bart Bachmeyer are massive returnees. So offensively feels pretty
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: good about it. Defensively, Kada was a massive ad at
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: middle linebacker, All first team All Conference at Cal. And
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: then you like returning safeties follow Telsotswalla is a potential
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: first round guy in the future. It's got a real
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: high ceiling, a good linebacker crew with Isaiah Glasker back,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: and like I mentioned, the corners of back with Evan
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Johnson and Trey Alexander. So it's it's it's really good
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: can By you continue to pick up where the left off.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: I think they were very specific and intentional on who
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: they got out of the portal, and I think those
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: fits will most of those guys are going to be
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: big time players from.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: YU going back to the you know, fill in the
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: blank or bust that BYU basketball is dealing with. I mean,
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: it's way early for the twenty twenty six twenty twenty
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: seven season projections on the football side of things, but
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: I imagine getting oh so close to conference championship last
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: year and oh so close to college football playoff last
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: year has elevated those expectations as well. And a bear Bachmeyer,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: who if he does make a significant leap from freshman
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: to sophomore year as all players are expected to that
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: is that is a scary prospect if you're not a
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: BYU fan. So the expectations in provo, how lofty are they?
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I think people are hoping to be back in Arlington
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: and be back in the college football get to the
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: college football playoff. Football, it's just hard to win. I
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: think what Boa has done last year's has been significant.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I don't assume that that will just happen because BOI
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: brought back the players they did. It's the hope, but
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: it's hard to win, man. You've got to get like
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: some crazy plays at Arizona to win last year. Obviously,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: you've got you've got to beat your rival. You've got
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: to make some plays in the Pop Tarts Bowl. You
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: certainly you want to compete better with the likes of
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech. Buoi did not. The margin was the real issue.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: It wasn't even losing. It was the margin that was
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: the issue.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: And so Boay's got to be thinking about to me,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: every practice they should be thinking, how do we beat
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: a team as good as Texas Tech? Like what do
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: we need to do? That's got to be your focus.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: But do your thing, like Byu wins a certain way, right,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: it's run the ball, it's explosive plays in play action,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: it's defense and special teams. Can Byu be as good.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: On defense with a new defensive coordinator?
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: They certainly believe they will be with Kelly Pingle like
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: you mentioned, But yeah, I don't assume that automatically. Yeah,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: you always going to eleven one. It's like, it's tough
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: to win games, man. You got you got Notre Dame
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: coming to Provo, which will be massive. You got some
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: big games. It would seem that Bui has a great
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: opportunity to be in the mix, to be in Arlington again,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: but you got to do it again. And yeah, if
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: bears better, if LJ is similar, if the on line.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: Continues to do their thing, if the defense can take
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: the ball away at the same clip, well yeah, but
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: you have.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: To go out there and do it. And I'm excited
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: to see it. I think fans are excited about it.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: But I don't know that anyone's like saying we will
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: win the league right now. The players certainly are motivated
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: to go win the league and that's the next step,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: but it's it's gonna be fun. But I just I
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: don't assume that, like just because you did it last year,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: you're gonna do it again. You've got to go out
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: there and prove it, and I think Buoi is gonna
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: be capable of doing so. I'm excited to watch it.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: If we were having the same conversation on a Texas
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Tech radio station, is the sentiment the same for the
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Red Raiders because it was great, but they do lose
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: a lot. And I know that they had the money
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: and they brought impressive people in in the transfer portal,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: but they there's a pretty magic mix that they we
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: got last year, especially defensively and a lot of those
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: guys are not going to be there.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: So when we assume, or failed.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: To assume, or refuse to assume, how repeatable these things are.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Do you look at Texas Tech and say, Man, last
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: year was special, I don't know if I can trust
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: that you're going to do that again.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: It really was special, the fact that you got who
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: you got and they coalesced in the same way. I mean,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: when you do get one of the best backers in
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: the league Austin Romain from Kansas State and Brendan Sores
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: be one of the best quarterbacks in league from Cincinnati,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: and so on and so forth, it's hard not to
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: believe that they won't kind of do it again, given
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: the investment and the talent. But it has it has
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: to be coached. Joey McGrath's a good coach, and it
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: has to come together in a way that works from
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: a chemistry standpoint, an execution standpoint. So I don't know
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: that everything's so completely automatic, Like I assume Indiana's going
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: to be good again, but maybe they found landing in
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: a bottle Like that's what often happens here. It's hard
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: to sustain. Like Alabama's run of terror was unbelievable because
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: they were doing a year after year after year. LSU
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: thinks they're going to be in the mix, right, Like,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: think about it, even Texas Tech and Organ, Like, there's BYU,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: there's a gap, there's Texas Tech, and then there's a
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: gap and there's Organ, and then there's a gap in
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: there's Indiana.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: Like.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: To get to the top of the top it is,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: it takes something simply incredible. But BUA feels like they've
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: got a special group coming back and hopefully the College
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Football Playoff.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: Is in the mix.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: But you don't have a lot of confidence that you
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: can get in at large in the twelve team playoff
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: given what BOI did last year and they didn't.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: Get the NOD.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: So if you're BYU, what's controllable, Hey, we've got to compete.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: If we lose, we've got to compete. We can't get
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: blown out. But also BUOI thinking well, why don't we
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: just win all twelve in the regular season. But no
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: one's doubt you're printing Quest for Perfection shirts. Okay, let's
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: just simmer down.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: They sold out of those and they decided never to
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: print them again.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: That's uh, yeah, I do see one every now and
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: then I'm like, nice, pull burn it.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: I look at those the same way I look at
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: like the would you go to a third world country
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: and you see like the San Francisco forty nine Ers
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl T shirts from three years ago, It's like, oh, man,
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: I wish the.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: T shirts in the remote country.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: You're like, oh man, well I thought I thought we're
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: gonna win the Super Bowl.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: You taught Jazz NBA Championship T shirts.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: You're like, dang it, do those exist from ninety seven
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: to ninety eight? Yeah?
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Oh come on, I what pick do we realistically think
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: the Jazz are going to get, by the way, and
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: who do we want because point guard is what they need.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: But you gotta don't don't pull up Blazers where they
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: don't pick Jordans because they already had Claude directly. Just
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: take the best player available, right, And would Jazz fans
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: want Darren Peterson if he's available? Because the availability thing.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: Is an issue.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: There's a lot to figure out here.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think you got to be in the
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: top three if you want any sort of chance at
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: getting AJ And I don't think three is gonna do
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: it for you. I hope somebody else falls in love
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: with Darren Peterson because I'm not.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I don't want him on the Utah Jazz.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: So let's say, let's say the Jazz get three and okay,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: you know Aj and Darren are off the board. Do
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: you take Cam Boozer even though you've got a massive
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: front line already, Like, you just take best.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Player available, best player available.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: You gotta do it, Yeah, And you just figured it
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: out because what the guys need is a point guard
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: like Kingston Flemings. If the Jazz fell the four, it'd
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: be like, okay, just take Kingson Flemings from Houston six
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: to four. Point guard, good pull up, super quick, good shot,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: like okay, now we're going. Now we make our move, right,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: that's the hoop. I would love a top three pick,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: don't get me wrong.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, three would be the hardest one because at one
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: or two you could keep the hopes alive that you're
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: getting the guy, the hometown boy.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Whatever.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: Three, I don't think you get him, and then you
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: got to make that choice. And there's gonna be fifty
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: percent of the fan base that's unhappy about it.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: But these are good problems to have, yep.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: So yeah, then you go, okay, do we trade Walker
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: wrestler because we're just big enough, like because Boozer is like.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: A three and a half.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Right, So anyways, we'll figure all this out by you
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: and I'm.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Sure maybe Jeremy appreciate your time as always, Thank you, sir.
• 29:19
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• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Like you specifically, Jerem Jordan.
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