Latest / The Radio From Hell Show - Best Of / Vet Josh Davis Q&A from September 23rd, 2026

Transcript

Vet Josh Davis Q&A from September 23rd, 2026 · The Radio From Hell Show - Best Of

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Dr.
• 0:01
  Speaker 2: Josh Davis is here. He is a veterinarian, and he
• 0:05
  Speaker 2: is the founder and chief veterinarian at Trilogy Veterinary Clinic
• 0:10
  Speaker 2: in Sandy, and he's here to answer questions about your
• 0:13
  Speaker 2: puppies and kitties. Free advice about something that may be
• 0:18
  Speaker 2: illing with your pets. You can also text questions, but
• 0:22
  Speaker 2: calls are better because we need to maybe do ask
• 0:25
  Speaker 2: sort of follow-up questions. Good morning, Dr.
• 0:28
  Speaker 3: Davis.
• 0:29
  Speaker 4: How are you?
• 0:29
  Speaker 5: Good morning.
• 0:30
  Speaker 6: Doing great.
• 0:30
  Speaker 2: How are you guys doing?
• 0:30
  Speaker 3: Good, good.
• 0:31
  Speaker 6: I have a question.
• 0:32
  Speaker 5: Ooh, bring it on.
• 0:34
  Speaker 7: So my older dog, Riley, and that's the question about
• 0:37
  Speaker 7: her getting older, I'm wondering about things to make her
• 0:42
  Speaker 7: aging a little easier for her.
• 0:44
  Speaker 6: Like I worry about.
• 0:45
  Speaker 2: Her- Advil.
• 0:47
  Speaker 6: Well, that's, I'm worried about like her- her joints.
• 0:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 0:51
  Speaker 6: And I was concerned about Hudson as well.
• 0:54
  Speaker 8: Oh, okay.
• 0:55
  Speaker 6: So could you talk about joint support for older dogs,
• 0:58
  Speaker 6: what we.
• 0:58
  Speaker 5: Can do to help them?
• 1:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:01
  Speaker 9: And no matter the breed or size, there's always, you know,
• 1:05
  Speaker 9: if they live long enough, they're probably going to get
• 1:07
  Speaker 9: some arthritis and some joint disease. And What we often
• 1:11
  Speaker 9: see that is they're, quote, slowing down a lot of times,
• 1:15
  Speaker 9: but it's often because they're in pain and their pain's
• 1:18
  Speaker 9: not managed that way.
• 1:18
  Speaker 6: I'm worried about stairs and stuff for her, that she's.
• 1:21
  Speaker 2: Hurting going up the stairs. Move to a patio home.
• 1:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, get those chairs that wheel them up the stairs.
• 1:28
  Speaker 9: But most important things, there's kind of a group of
• 1:31
  Speaker 9: things you want to think about. So number one is
• 1:34
  Speaker 9: weight management. If they're overweight, they definitely suffer more from
• 1:39
  Speaker 9: that when they get arthritis. Now they have to carry
• 1:41
  Speaker 9: all that extra weight on top of sore joints. So
• 1:44
  Speaker 9: staying at an ideal body weight is always really important.
• 1:46
  Speaker 9: And throughout their whole life, that's important, but especially when
• 1:48
  Speaker 9: they get old. And then when it comes time for it,
• 1:52
  Speaker 9: proper use of anti-inflammatories, just like for us, I think
• 1:55
  Speaker 9: that's important too. And some dogs will get to the
• 1:57
  Speaker 9: point where daily is a good thing to do for them.
• 2:01
  Speaker 2: How about diclofenac? Um, and said that you rub on.
• 2:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:06
  Speaker 5: We use that a lot and like eye drops and
• 2:08
  Speaker 5: things like that.
• 2:09
  Speaker 9: But, um, there are other safe options for dogs, um,
• 2:13
  Speaker 9: especially oral options and there's injectable options and then joint
• 2:17
  Speaker 9: supplements or, um, some dogs will benefit greatly from that too.
• 2:20
  Speaker 5: So.
• 2:21
  Speaker 9: There's oral daily versions of that. There's injectable versions of that.
• 2:25
  Speaker 9: So I think the best thing is to kind of
• 2:27
  Speaker 9: have a plan together with your vet because we can
• 2:31
  Speaker 9: help you monitor along the way because sometimes they need
• 2:33
  Speaker 9: blood work checked and sometimes we have to take x-rays
• 2:36
  Speaker 9: and look at how their joints are looking and all
• 2:38
  Speaker 9: of that.
• 2:38
  Speaker 7: I don't want her to be uncomfortable if I can
• 2:42
  Speaker 7: help it.
• 2:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely.
• 2:44
  Speaker 9: It'll change their whole outlook, their whole behavior when they're
• 2:47
  Speaker 9: in pain.
• 2:48
  Speaker 2: And we got some phone calls here. Shaughnessy is here. Hey, Shaughnessy,
• 2:52
  Speaker 2: what's your question? Shaughnessy?
• 2:56
  Speaker 8: Hello, can you hear me? Yes.
• 2:58
  Speaker 5: Go ahead.
• 2:58
  Speaker 2: We can hear you now. Oh, there we go.
• 3:01
  Speaker 8: So my cat has been sneezing and kind of snotty
• 3:05
  Speaker 8: for the last couple of days.
• 3:06
  Speaker 2: What's your cat's name?
• 3:08
  Speaker 8: No, her name's Clover.
• 3:10
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 3:12
  Speaker 8: So she just turned a year old in August.
• 3:14
  Speaker 4: She.
• 3:15
  Speaker 8: Hasn't ever had any issues before. We didn't change her food.
• 3:18
  Speaker 8: Nothing's changed with the environment. But recently, I think it
• 3:22
  Speaker 8: was since last Saturday, she's just been really sneezy and
• 3:25
  Speaker 8: kind of snotty and her nose is really runny. We
• 3:29
  Speaker 8: got her an appointment, but I was just wondering what
• 3:31
  Speaker 8: you think.
• 3:32
  Speaker 9: Yeah, for especially a young, healthy cat, if you haven't
• 3:36
  Speaker 9: changed anything in the environment, especially introducing a new cat
• 3:39
  Speaker 9: or something stressful, because sometimes that can cause flare-ups of
• 3:44
  Speaker 9: viral diseases.
• 3:45
  Speaker 5: That kind of hang out in the background for some cats.
• 3:48
  Speaker 9: And so if none of that seems to be on
• 3:50
  Speaker 9: the menu, then also I definitely have had an uptick
• 3:54
  Speaker 9: in patients just this time of year with the seasonal
• 3:57
  Speaker 9: transition and seasonal change that we're seeing. Sometimes there can
• 4:00
  Speaker 9: be an allergy component to that, just some irritation in
• 4:03
  Speaker 9: the environment. And not really anything you always have to
• 4:06
  Speaker 9: do about it unless they start to get, um, where
• 4:10
  Speaker 9: they've lose some energy, lose some appetite, or if that
• 4:14
  Speaker 9: snotty nose gets really thick and gunky, or if their
• 4:17
  Speaker 9: eyes start to get really crusty or irritated, then I
• 4:19
  Speaker 9: worry more about that. But, um, hopefully it's something straightforward
• 4:23
  Speaker 9: and most of the time it is, and either no
• 4:26
  Speaker 9: therapy or just some simple therapies.
• 4:29
  Speaker 5: Sometimes we'll get them through that.
• 4:30
  Speaker 9: So, But with a young cat, you just, you know,
• 4:33
  Speaker 9: you pay attention now because maybe next fall, if the
• 4:35
  Speaker 9: same thing happens, we start to make those patterns out
• 4:38
  Speaker 9: of that, too.
• 4:39
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 4:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 4:40
  Speaker 2: All right. Thank you for calling. Thank you. All right.
• 4:44
  Speaker 2: Talk to Dr. Josh. Bob is here. Hello, Bob. Hey, Bob.
• 4:47
  Speaker 2: What's your question?
• 4:50
  Speaker 10: Yeah, hey, we've got a wiener dog, and he's a
• 4:53
  Speaker 10: little bit older. He's got some lumps kind of on
• 4:56
  Speaker 10: his body. We call him the lumpy wiener.
• 5:00
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute. Now, wait a minute. What's his real name?
• 5:04
  Speaker 10: His real name is Chuck.
• 5:06
  Speaker 4: Chuck?
• 5:06
  Speaker 2: Chuck the lumpy wiener. I think you ought to just
• 5:10
  Speaker 2: be kind and start calling him Chuck.
• 5:15
  Speaker 10: Chuck's not as funny as the lumpy wiener, though.
• 5:17
  Speaker 2: Well, that's true. It is true.
• 5:19
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 5:20
  Speaker 2: So just lumps here and there? Where about?
• 5:24
  Speaker 10: Yeah, he's got some on his shoulder area. He's got
• 5:27
  Speaker 10: them kind of on his haunches and just, you know,
• 5:30
  Speaker 10: all over. I mean, there's not a ton of them.
• 5:31
  Speaker 10: They're just kind of here and there.
• 5:36
  Speaker 9: Yeah, for older and aging dogs, especially babies. growths and
• 5:41
  Speaker 9: lumps and bumps do become more and more common. And
• 5:44
  Speaker 9: especially I do find, yeah, the weenie dogs, they, they
• 5:47
  Speaker 9: like to get often, um, what are called lipomas or
• 5:50
  Speaker 9: fatty tumors. And if for any pet in general, as
• 5:54
  Speaker 9: they get older, if they're overweight, they do, we do
• 5:56
  Speaker 9: tend to see a lot more lipomas developing for, for
• 5:59
  Speaker 9: those types of dogs. So, um, the best thing to
• 6:02
  Speaker 9: do is if they are growing or growing fast, It's
• 6:06
  Speaker 9: definitely worth getting them looked at. And we do what
• 6:10
  Speaker 9: are called needle biopsies where we take some small samples
• 6:13
  Speaker 9: of cells and send them off to the lab and
• 6:16
  Speaker 9: just make sure it's not something that we should be
• 6:18
  Speaker 9: concerned about. And then I usually don't remove them unless
• 6:21
  Speaker 9: they start to cause trouble where they're irritating or they're
• 6:24
  Speaker 9: in an area that makes it hard to walk or
• 6:27
  Speaker 9: lay down or things like that.
• 6:28
  Speaker 2: Okay. There you go. Awesome.
• 6:31
  Speaker 10: All right.
• 6:32
  Speaker 1: Thanks, Doc.
• 6:33
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. The lumpy wiener. The lumpy wiener.
• 6:36
  Speaker 2: Let's see.
• 6:37
  Speaker 11: I'm going to be moving soon. What is the best
• 6:39
  Speaker 11: way to make the move easier for my two cats?
• 6:42
  Speaker 5: That's a good question.
• 6:43
  Speaker 9: Yeah, cats are always an adventure, how well they want
• 6:47
  Speaker 9: to travel. So if they are healthy cats, I'm always
• 6:51
  Speaker 9: a big fan of a little bit of medication to
• 6:53
  Speaker 9: help that go easier. So gabapentin is most commonly what
• 6:57
  Speaker 9: we'll use for them. And it just helps with being
• 7:00
  Speaker 9: kenneled and car rides and just... Also, that transition when
• 7:04
  Speaker 9: you get to the new home because that kind.
• 7:07
  Speaker 5: Of freaks them out sometimes.
• 7:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you understand what's happening.
• 7:10
  Speaker 5: They have no idea what's happening. Yeah, they have no idea.
• 7:11
  Speaker 9: So a little bit of help and also just trying
• 7:14
  Speaker 9: to make the move as fast as possible, get them
• 7:17
  Speaker 9: set up and that routine as fast as possible.
• 7:20
  Speaker 2: They do understand what's happening. They understand that you're trying
• 7:22
  Speaker 2: to kill them.
• 7:24
  Speaker 6: Like, why can't we go home?
• 7:25
  Speaker 5: This isn't home.
• 7:27
  Speaker 11: What we always did whenever we moved home, With the
• 7:31
  Speaker 11: dog was we took our clothes that we had worn
• 7:34
  Speaker 11: and left them spread.
• 7:36
  Speaker 6: Out on the carpet. Oh, to try to get the smell.
• 7:38
  Speaker 11: And then the smell, you know, it's like it still
• 7:40
  Speaker 11: smells like us, so it must be okay.
• 7:44
  Speaker 9: And you've got your cat beds and your litter boxes
• 7:46
  Speaker 9: and all that's still kind of homey.
• 7:48
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, stuff like that I think definitely helps.
• 7:51
  Speaker 2: So if you're traveling cross-country in a car, put the
• 7:53
  Speaker 2: litter box in the back seat.
• 7:55
  Speaker 11: Wow.
• 7:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. All right, we're back with Dr. Josh Davis from
• 7:59
  Speaker 2: Trilogy Veterinary Clinic in Sandy. You can call and ask
• 8:04
  Speaker 2: questions about your little house pets, your little cats and dogs. Please,
• 8:10
  Speaker 2: if you do call or text us, we'd like to
• 8:12
  Speaker 2: know the name of your animal and what breed it is.
• 8:16
  Speaker 2: Let's go to line one.
• 8:18
  Speaker 5: So is here.
• 8:19
  Speaker 8: Hello.
• 8:20
  Speaker 2: So, good morning.
• 8:21
  Speaker 10: Good morning.
• 8:23
  Speaker 2: Hi. Good, you have a cat? What's your cat's name?
• 8:27
  Speaker 3: Yes, I have a couple of them. My cat that
• 8:31
  Speaker 3: I'm calling about is Miss Puss. She's 20. And, yeah,
• 8:37
  Speaker 3: that's what I was calling about because I was just
• 8:40
  Speaker 3: curious about her life stage right now. And when they
• 8:47
  Speaker 3: get so old, I'm just wondering how to tell what
• 8:50
  Speaker 3: is really like an end of life story. kind of
• 8:53
  Speaker 3: behaviors and what's just an old lady yeah.
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: Does that make sense yeah absolutely kind of lethargic and
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: and she's slow and i know she's got a little
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: bit of arthritis and she doesn't really let me trim
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: her nails anymore so that might be getting uncomfortable okay
• 9:09
  Speaker 1: try but she's.
• 9:10
  Speaker 3: Really kind of mean about it.
• 9:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah what do you i noticed yeah go ahead.
• 9:15
  Speaker 3: Well, I noticed she had some blood in her urine
• 9:19
  Speaker 3: earlier in the year, and I took her into the vet.
• 9:21
  Speaker 3: And I got her some vitamins, but the vet kind
• 9:25
  Speaker 3: of just told me, you know, we're not trying to
• 9:28
  Speaker 3: get this plane to take off the runway. We're just
• 9:30
  Speaker 3: kind of slow the crash.
• 9:31
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 9:32
  Speaker 3: So that's why I'm just wondering if it's how– I
• 9:34
  Speaker 3: don't want her to stay uncomfortable. I've never had to
• 9:37
  Speaker 3: put a pet down, so that's what my– I just
• 9:41
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 9:42
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: Let Dr.
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: Davis– I think you've covered it pretty well, Dr. Davis.
• 9:47
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's a common scenario, and I feel you. I've
• 9:51
  Speaker 9: got two cats, 18, going on 19 as well.
• 9:53
  Speaker 7: Oh, really?
• 9:54
  Speaker 9: Yeah, things will, just like for us, it starts to
• 9:57
  Speaker 9: catch up with you, and I think for your kids,
• 10:00
  Speaker 9: it sounds like we need to differentiate, you know, are
• 10:02
  Speaker 9: we just in pain and arthritic and having a hard
• 10:05
  Speaker 9: time or are there other things that are in the
• 10:08
  Speaker 9: background causing trouble? Because, cats at that age, kidney disease,
• 10:13
  Speaker 9: thyroid disease, there's lots of diseases that can be a
• 10:16
  Speaker 9: factor and they're often manageable and pain and arthritis is manageable.
• 10:21
  Speaker 9: So I do think that it's worth, and I would be,
• 10:25
  Speaker 9: you know, I'm always happy to do it, but I
• 10:26
  Speaker 9: think it's worth getting looked at and making sure that
• 10:30
  Speaker 9: we're making the right decisions because quality of life is
• 10:33
  Speaker 9: very important. And if there's things that can be managed
• 10:36
  Speaker 9: where they can still be in pretty good shape, I
• 10:38
  Speaker 9: think it's worth talking about. And We can also talk
• 10:41
  Speaker 9: about what are the things where it's like, you know what,
• 10:43
  Speaker 9: we're kind of not, you know, we're not in a
• 10:45
  Speaker 9: good spot and we need to start thinking about that. So,
• 10:48
  Speaker 9: you know, making that decision and trying some things if
• 10:51
  Speaker 9: we can. And you'll be surprised sometimes how they can
• 10:55
  Speaker 9: do and how they can feel.
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: They can bounce back. All right. Is that good?
• 10:59
  Speaker 8: That help?
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 11:01
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: All right. Thank you. See you later. Let's go to Cody. Hi, Cody. Hi.
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: What's your dog's name?
• 11:11
  Speaker 4: Her name is Charlene, and she's L-E-A-N.
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: She has three legs. Oh, Charlene.
• 11:20
  Speaker 4: I like it.
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: My brother had a dog, a three-legged dog. He named
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: it Skip. Anyway, go ahead.
• 11:32
  Speaker 4: She has this rash on her chin, and it looks
• 11:35
  Speaker 4: like the follicle almost is inflamed so much that like
• 11:41
  Speaker 4: a whole patch has become inflamed and raised. And I've
• 11:45
  Speaker 4: been putting this, I wish I had it in front
• 11:48
  Speaker 4: of me, but it was something with an X and
• 11:50
  Speaker 4: a Y and S3. And it's this mousse that I
• 11:54
  Speaker 4: put on it. And it worked for the first, like
• 11:56
  Speaker 4: I put it on for 10 days and it went away.
• 11:59
  Speaker 8: And then it came back, but.
• 12:00
  Speaker 4: It came back so much worse. And now I'm not
• 12:03
  Speaker 4: sure if it's like, yeah.
• 12:07
  Speaker 3: I wish I knew.
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: I think you laid it out. Go ahead. Yeah.
• 12:11
  Speaker 9: No, I think that I know what you're talking about.
• 12:13
  Speaker 9: It's called Duxo mousse. We use it a lot for
• 12:16
  Speaker 9: superficial skin things, and it's very effective for.
• 12:20
  Speaker 5: Those superficial things.
• 12:21
  Speaker 9: If you get deeper in the follicles, you can get
• 12:25
  Speaker 9: folliculitis or cellulitis. And for some patients, we have to
• 12:30
  Speaker 9: sometimes go to antibiotics to get that kicked out and
• 12:33
  Speaker 9: then go to that superficial maintenance like you're talking about there.
• 12:38
  Speaker 9: and perpetuating things often is things like water. So if
• 12:43
  Speaker 9: they're really drooly or slobbery dogs, that could be a factor.
• 12:47
  Speaker 9: Sometimes even contact things. So always trying to feed out
• 12:51
  Speaker 9: of stainless or ceramic. Don't use plastic if you can
• 12:54
  Speaker 9: help it. And then dogs who like to, if you
• 12:57
  Speaker 9: have dog doors, that can be a factor. And then
• 13:00
  Speaker 9: dogs who like to dig or root around in the dirt,
• 13:02
  Speaker 9: that also doesn't help. So But, yeah, if it's deeper,
• 13:05
  Speaker 9: you may need a course of antibiotics just to get
• 13:07
  Speaker 9: it out and then maintenance after that.
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 13:11
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 13:12
  Speaker 8: There you go.
• 13:12
  Speaker 4: So it would be for maintenance?
• 13:14
  Speaker 9: Yeah, very good for superficial things. But, yeah, if it's deeper,
• 13:17
  Speaker 9: it may not get what you want out of it.
• 13:19
  Speaker 9: But it does help, as you saw.
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 13:22
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 13:23
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 13:23
  Speaker 6: Thank you.
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Cody. All right. Let's see.
• 13:27
  Speaker 11: My puppy Hazel itches all the time. She's recently on
• 13:31
  Speaker 11: an allergy pill, but it doesn't seem to be helping much.
• 13:34
  Speaker 11: We also give them salmon oil and probiotic bites. What
• 13:38
  Speaker 11: else can we do?
• 13:40
  Speaker 9: Yeah, for especially young dogs showing allergies, and it sounds
• 13:44
  Speaker 9: like we're dealing with some.
• 13:45
  Speaker 5: Allergies early on.
• 13:46
  Speaker 9: So the factors can be environmental or food. So probably
• 13:51
  Speaker 9: looking at food and maybe something hypoallergenic and then Um,
• 13:55
  Speaker 9: some dogs and, and even cats, sometimes one therapy. So
• 13:59
  Speaker 9: if the allergy pill, you know, I don't know what
• 14:01
  Speaker 9: it is, but if it doesn't do it by itself,
• 14:03
  Speaker 9: then often topical things like the shampoos and mousses, um, with,
• 14:07
  Speaker 9: with tough skin.
• 14:08
  Speaker 5: There's never one thing that fixes everything. It's, it's very
• 14:11
  Speaker 5: rare that that happens.
• 14:12
  Speaker 9: And And it'll be for life, so you have to
• 14:15
  Speaker 9: stay on top of it once we find that combination
• 14:17
  Speaker 9: that works.
• 14:18
  Speaker 11: Our dog Ripley had dry skin, and we switched up
• 14:22
  Speaker 11: to an oatmeal shampoo, which helped.
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 14:27
  Speaker 9: Sometimes it's simple, but it's not always simple. Skin never
• 14:31
  Speaker 9: wants to be simple.
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: I use, gee, your hair smells terrific on my cat.
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: Body on tap. Yeah, there's another one. Don't drink it.
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: Don't drink it. Any tips for feeding two cats?
• 14:44
  Speaker 11: One is a casual grazer. The other is a hungry
• 14:47
  Speaker 11: hippo and likes to eat the other's food. They have
• 14:50
  Speaker 11: set feeding times, but the hippo still gets more than
• 14:53
  Speaker 11: his share.
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I have a cat just like that too.
• 14:58
  Speaker 9: And so we do the scheduled feedings and we physically
• 15:03
  Speaker 9: separate them.
• 15:04
  Speaker 5: So one gets locked in one room, one gets locked in.
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: The other room.
• 15:07
  Speaker 5: And when the food You know, when you.
• 15:09
  Speaker 9: Give that set time, 10 minutes or whatever you want
• 15:12
  Speaker 9: to do, the food just gets taken away. And most cats,
• 15:17
  Speaker 9: they're smart enough to figure out, like, oh, man, I
• 15:19
  Speaker 9: better go for it. Because grazing is a habit, but
• 15:22
  Speaker 9: you can change the habit over time for sure.
• 15:24
  Speaker 11: Just separate them.
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: Sorry we don't have any more time. I know somebody's
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: trying to get in on the phone, but... He'll be back.
• 15:33
  Speaker 6: Dr.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: Davis always comes back.
• 15:34
  Speaker 6: A couple of weeks. You could make an appointment and
• 15:37
  Speaker 6: go see him.
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: That'd be the easy way, too.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: TrilogyVetSandy.com. All right. Thanks for being here. Thank you very much, guys.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: See you.