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Episode 7:S4- Dugan Frase · The Cursewords in Cursive Podcast

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SPEAKER_01: Hi, my name's Ryan, and this is the Curse for the Cursive Podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: Hello, everybody.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome back again to a new episode of the Curse Words and Cursive Podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: Podcast where cats wear pajamas and topics really just don't matter.
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SPEAKER_01: I say I've got here with me Mr.
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SPEAKER_01: Dugan Frace.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: How you doing, man?
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SPEAKER_01: Doing good, dude.
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SPEAKER_01: Thanks for having me.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Dugan's in what, three bands?
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SPEAKER_01: Or just one at the moment?
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SPEAKER_01: Four.
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SPEAKER_01: Almost four?
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SPEAKER_01: Probably more.
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SPEAKER_01: I know, I know old school Jenkins.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Hundred Year Flood.
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SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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SPEAKER_01: And watch this world burn.
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SPEAKER_01: Watch this world burn.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: What's the what's the last one?
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SPEAKER_04: Uh I'm gonna be at some point maybe joining up, uh, well, joining up with Morbid Justice.
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SPEAKER_04: Whoa, okay.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, so nothing, nothing official with them yet, uh, you know, but yeah, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: I'll probably be sitting in with them at some point.
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SPEAKER_04: And then yeah, just anybody needs a drummer.
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SPEAKER_04: There's not a huge premium of us around.
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SPEAKER_04: So there's you got a job.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, money.
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SPEAKER_01: We're actually looking for a drummer.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: It's somebody always is.
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unknown: Yeah, everybody.
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SPEAKER_01: Shadow Child is doing all the work too.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, right.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, seriously, the workhorse, man.
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SPEAKER_01: Yep, yep.
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SPEAKER_01: Shout out to that guy.
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SPEAKER_01: So um, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Where where does your music histories start?
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SPEAKER_01: Here.
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SPEAKER_04: Here the old, yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: Uh born in Shiprock, of course, IHS baby, like the rest of us.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, hey, me too.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, grew up in Farmington, though.
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SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, Crouch Mesa, CM for life.
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SPEAKER_02: Hey.
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SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: Just grew up, grew up in in Farmington.
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SPEAKER_04: And I mean, it's a melting pot in this town, you know.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, I mean, the border's just right there.
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SPEAKER_04: You get a mixture of all types of music and and culture and stuff.
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SPEAKER_04: So I was very fortunate in that amount.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, yeah, and and my parents are both, you know, massive music fans.
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SPEAKER_04: They're even now that record collectors, they you know, yeah, turned us on to so much stuff.
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SPEAKER_04: So yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: Um yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: So music runs deep.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I can say the same too.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh grew up in Ship Rock, and my parents had a wide selection of music.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've I've mentioned that several times on this show that my my dad was always like, Learn more than one instrument, you know, because I freaked out when when I saw not see them, but when I watched on TV Kiss and Peter Chris was playing drums, and then I know where he's playing piano and playing Beth, and I was like, he plays piano.
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SPEAKER_01: And my dad was like, plays all kinds of things.
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SPEAKER_01: He's the best singer in that band, yeah, right?
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SPEAKER_01: He was, you know.
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SPEAKER_01: And like I was freaking out, and he just told me, you know, learn more than one instrument.
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SPEAKER_01: You'll go a lot farther than you think.
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SPEAKER_01: Definitely.
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SPEAKER_01: I did.
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SPEAKER_01: Do you play other instruments?
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SPEAKER_01: You play guitar.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: I played anything within my reach, honestly.
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SPEAKER_04: Drums pays the bills, but yeah, I picked up a lot of instruments along the way.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: Guitar, of course.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, just taught myself piano, picked up bass just as a kick as well.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, just get money and stuff like that.
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SPEAKER_04: So yeah, I you know, just a deep love affair with anything.
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SPEAKER_04: So if I can get my hands on it, you know, I'm gonna not be super proficient, you know.
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SPEAKER_04: But same.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: I just I just love to make, you know.
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SPEAKER_01: So the latest thing I'm trying to learn, well, I haven't done it yet.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, I promised uh Sean Shine that I would learn the saxophone because I really wanted to play the saxophone.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, but yeah, yeah, that would be fun.
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SPEAKER_01: My high school trumpet is laying right over there.
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SPEAKER_01: It doesn't work anymore.
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SPEAKER_01: It's all rusted.
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SPEAKER_01: But I was just like, hey, I think I'm gonna hang it like right there, or that busted guitar you saw back there.
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SPEAKER_01: I might hang it right here and you know, make the balls look a little more cool.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and who knows?
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SPEAKER_04: You might just rip it off the wall and play it.
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SPEAKER_01: I tried to.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh god, it turned blue.
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SPEAKER_01: I was like, it's too rustic.
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SPEAKER_01: It's too old.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And I got that piano from my grandma.
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SPEAKER_01: My mom got it, and then she was just like, You thought you wanted a piano?
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SPEAKER_01: I was like, uh I'll take it.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I was learning stuff on that too.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: It's always good to have a piano in the home.
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SPEAKER_01: Was there any instruments that you learned that were kind of like like not so well like instruments that aren't really out there that a lot of people aren't learning?
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SPEAKER_01: Uh oh.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, for instance, I learned a little accordion.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, did you?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I learned a baseball theme.
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SPEAKER_04: We have one in the house currently.
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SPEAKER_04: My wife is really yeah, she she picked up a an accordion one day when we were at Guitar Center messing around.
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SPEAKER_04: And she was like, Since then, she's anytime she sees accordion content or anything like that, she's just like, we still gotta learn.
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SPEAKER_04: And she bought like, yeah, she bought one.
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SPEAKER_04: So there's one in the house, but there's also one of those instruments when you're learning, it doesn't sound the greatest.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's a work in progress.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, trying to be like, You ever see a little kid with a violin?
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, adorable, but man, it's it's awful for a good little while.
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SPEAKER_04: So it's like yeah, kudos to yeah, all of our parents and neighbors, especially.
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SPEAKER_04: Um who had to listen to us play guitar, listen to us get learning Iron Man, yeah, exactly.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: Especially with drums, man.
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SPEAKER_04: I I owe a lot of credit to our neighbors and everything.
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SPEAKER_04: Shout out Rarito family.
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SPEAKER_04: There's no volume on drums.
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SPEAKER_04: I know, exactly.
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SPEAKER_04: Everybody's gonna hear your especially when you're like 10 years old and you're like, hell yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, bonum, yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: And so, yeah, it's yeah, they they put up with a lot.
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SPEAKER_04: Was that the first instrument you learned?
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: Drums?
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SPEAKER_04: Yep.
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SPEAKER_01: What age was that?
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SPEAKER_04: I I don't remember a time where I wasn't drumming or at least hitting on stuff.
6:02
SPEAKER_04: Um, we had a really good family friend who was also a drummer, so that's when I first actually seen drums for myself.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, but grew up just like obsessed with it, you know.
6:13
SPEAKER_04: Um we had the Beatles on VHS.
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SPEAKER_04: Oh, help and and Hard Days Night.
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SPEAKER_04: So I mean, Ringo was yeah, Ringo was it for me.
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SPEAKER_04: And I grew up going to concerts with my parents as well.
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SPEAKER_04: The drums are always like the forefront, you know.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, so I got my first real drum kit.
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SPEAKER_04: My parents bought me uh an old PV kit from uh I think it was like what I forgot what the store was called.
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SPEAKER_04: It was downtown though.
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SPEAKER_04: There used to be a guitar shop downtown.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I remember I heard you and D talking about it on one episode.
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SPEAKER_04: So after I seen that, I was like, Yeah, exactly.
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SPEAKER_04: They got me one there.
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SPEAKER_04: It was like a blue kit, and yeah, off I went.
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SPEAKER_04: And even the first day I got that kit, I remember instantly trying to play Stairway to Heaven.
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SPEAKER_04: Oh instantly, just like new, like this this is it, you know.
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SPEAKER_04: And so, um, but yeah, yeah, since then my parents really fostered that love too.
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SPEAKER_04: They were very patient with it, and they encouraged it every step of the way.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, so yeah, to have them in my corner, you know, that's huge.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, as a young musician, especially as you get a little bit older.
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SPEAKER_04: I was a pretty awkward teenager as we all were.
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SPEAKER_04: We all were, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I love the awkward people.
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SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, definitely.
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SPEAKER_04: I was like this big around, and like I yeah, I women did not notice me one damn bit.
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SPEAKER_04: So it became like a vehicle for self-confidence, yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: You know, very early on.
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SPEAKER_04: It was where I could really feel like I could express myself.
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SPEAKER_04: So I went overboard, you know, as most kids do.
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SPEAKER_04: So yeah, later on down the line, they bought me a drum kit that was, you know, two bass drums in the whole world.
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SPEAKER_04: So I wanted to be Neil Peer, I wanted to be the Rev.
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SPEAKER_04: Oh shit, you know, and yeah, and off I went.
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SPEAKER_04: And yeah, dude, it was it's looking back, it's it's it was a lot of fun.
8:04
SPEAKER_04: Do you still have you still have your first kit?
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SPEAKER_04: A PV pieces of it.
8:07
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: It was probably in my parents' house, you know.
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SPEAKER_04: I think I have pieces of bass drum in a storage unit up in Durango, so it's around one of these days.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I thought about actually pulling it out for old school Jenkins one of these days.
8:20
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: We go for like a more broken down um approach to music.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: So, you know, those primitive kits and you know, stuff like that.
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SPEAKER_04: It just works.
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SPEAKER_04: Older instruments and um just that kind of vibe.
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SPEAKER_04: So I thought about piecing like a bunch of old drum kits together, and you know, that's cool.
8:39
SPEAKER_01: I have the first guitar my dad ever bought me, like actually bought me.
8:43
SPEAKER_01: If you saw that red strat that was in there, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: That was his guitar.
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SPEAKER_01: He bought that.
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SPEAKER_01: It's older than me.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and uh he bought that long time ago.
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SPEAKER_01: It was passed through my brothers and everything.
8:52
SPEAKER_01: But that was never my guitar.
8:54
SPEAKER_01: I just took it after my brother was done with it, after he neglected it.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then I took over and I cleaned it all up.
9:00
SPEAKER_01: It was covered with stickers, I cleaned it all up, and then um I saw the a black Epiphone SG in Durango.
9:07
SPEAKER_01: Do you remember that was a Sam Goody in Durango at the mall?
9:09
SPEAKER_01: I remember that.
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SPEAKER_01: Remember that one?
9:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: We went out there and we I found that black SG.
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SPEAKER_01: I used that most of my high school year.
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SPEAKER_01: That was my first my guitar, me.
9:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh, this is my true guitar.
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SPEAKER_01: I was like big on ACDC and that SG he was playing.
9:23
SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh yeah.
9:25
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And um after high school, somewhere like two, three years after high school, I left it behind at my old house trailer that I used to live in.
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SPEAKER_01: I brought it on, brought it up many times on this podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: But it fell apart, it got rained on, and the neck started splitting, and I was like, oh man.
9:42
SPEAKER_01: But just recently I was like, I need to get that guitar, I need to fix or buy a new neck, yeah, and get it and like place it up somewhere, you know.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the stuff is.
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SPEAKER_04: It's interesting how those things kind of like end up in your home and then they're just you know, you just yeah, yeah, case in point, you know?
10:02
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they either become decoration or it's it sits there and haunts you for the next few years.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's been staring at me.
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SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh my god, I've done a lot with that trumpet.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I feel so bad for neglecting it though.
10:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know?
10:16
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
10:17
SPEAKER_01: Oh, but yeah, someday.
10:19
SPEAKER_01: I I got one of those.
10:20
SPEAKER_01: You ever play on one of those?
10:21
SPEAKER_01: Is that the Cahun?
10:22
SPEAKER_01: Cahoon?
10:23
SPEAKER_04: I am too damn tall for a Cahon, man.
10:26
SPEAKER_04: That is just a back problem waiting to happen.
10:28
SPEAKER_04: They got bigger ones.
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SPEAKER_04: I yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: I've tried, I've tried it before.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, doing open mics and stuff like that in town, the old Clancy's open mics and stuff like that.
10:38
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
10:39
SPEAKER_01: I miss all the open mics.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I I know.
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SPEAKER_04: There used to be tons around us.
10:43
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: Same with same with Durango.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, I'm living in there now, and I mean there was a time where I felt like there was open mics all over the place.
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SPEAKER_04: Like they're not in Durango anymore?
10:53
SPEAKER_04: No, not really.
10:55
SPEAKER_04: What?
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SPEAKER_04: Or if there is, I don't, you know.
10:57
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: This is also coming from somebody that's not very social outside, you know.
11:02
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, me too.
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SPEAKER_04: You know, other than like the American Legion one they got going on, which I heard is really fun.
11:07
SPEAKER_04: Um, yeah, yeah, it's interesting how that is.
11:10
SPEAKER_04: But maybe I'm just out of tune now, I'm old.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm I'm I still play guitar here and there.
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SPEAKER_01: That I got this amp right here, and it was my main go-to amp, and now it's just falling apart.
11:21
SPEAKER_01: It's not even playing my guitar.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm just like, uh I needed to get a new amp, but I I want to go play some open mics.
11:29
SPEAKER_01: As uh with the fellows that I was here, we were actually gonna probably reach out to you if you could play drums for us.
11:34
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, yeah.
11:35
SPEAKER_01: Because like I I mentioned we were playing um a lot of system of a down, rage against the machine, some corn.
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SPEAKER_01: Nice, um, all of that, and we just need somebody just to jam out with, you know.
11:45
SPEAKER_01: I don't think we're ever gonna play anywhere, but you know, just to jam with.
11:48
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, it'll be fun, man.
11:50
SPEAKER_04: I'm I'm I'm always eager to play with I always tell younger people too, like, do you just play?
11:55
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, play as much as you can with whoever you can.
11:58
SPEAKER_04: You never know.
12:00
SPEAKER_04: I've played a lot of gigs where it's like you come in, hey, there's a bass player, he's setting up his crap, and you're just like, hey, you know, I'm doing how you doing, man.
12:08
SPEAKER_04: Cool, thanks for being here.
12:09
SPEAKER_04: And then we kick off and start playing.
12:10
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, never see that person again.
12:12
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but you you learn something new every time.
12:15
SPEAKER_04: You do actually without consciously realize you're learning.
12:19
SPEAKER_04: Um, so yeah, man, it's just it's so fun to play in that manner.
12:23
SPEAKER_01: That's what um uh Burley.
12:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Burley, that's what Burley is.
12:28
SPEAKER_01: He was on the podcast.
12:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he was like my second guest last year, yeah.
12:31
SPEAKER_01: But um, yeah, he he he brought that up.
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SPEAKER_01: He was this like people say, like they they're learning an instrument or they're learning something in their guitar, and they're like, Oh, I gotta practice my guitar, I gotta, I gotta learn my guitar.
12:42
SPEAKER_01: No, you play your guitar.
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SPEAKER_01: Keyword play.
12:45
SPEAKER_01: Just play around with it, you'll pick it up.
12:46
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, just play, you know, and then you just go with somebody, go play guitar, go play drums, right?
12:51
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
12:52
SPEAKER_04: I've I mean, I've played one of my old bandmates um back in the day.
12:56
SPEAKER_04: He would he come up with the most intricate, amazing stuff, and you'd ask him, like, what chord is that?
13:01
SPEAKER_04: He'd have no idea what you're talking about, you know.
13:03
SPEAKER_04: You would piece it again and be like, Oh wow, that's a G, but it's like a weird play, you know, weird way to play it.
13:09
SPEAKER_04: And yeah, exactly.
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SPEAKER_04: And I don't I don't know any of that.
13:11
SPEAKER_04: Are you good at that?
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SPEAKER_04: Do you know chords?
13:13
SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, to in a certain extent, yeah, you know, enough to write a song, I feel, but you know, again, not as proficient.
13:20
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
13:20
SPEAKER_01: I'm like learning like this, and I remember I was with a guitar player too, and he said the same thing.
13:25
SPEAKER_01: He's like, I can play your songs, but your chords are all fucked up.
13:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then tell like maybe last year or the year before, uh, my buddy Drake was like, Oh, yeah, that's easy.
13:33
SPEAKER_01: That's just a G minor seven, twelve, something.
13:37
SPEAKER_01: I was like, Oh he's like, You can play it like this too.
13:39
SPEAKER_01: I was like, Whoa, you just simplified it.
13:41
SPEAKER_01: I was like, it sounds better like this.
13:43
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
13:43
SPEAKER_04: I know I play with a lot of guys that are like Nashville numbers.
13:47
SPEAKER_04: Whoa, like four chord, five, three, you know, and they'll just shout that out as we're playing.
13:51
SPEAKER_04: I don't know, you know, you know, yeah.
13:55
SPEAKER_04: Proficient enough in what I'm doing, you know.
13:57
SPEAKER_04: But yeah, you can definitely tell who's a self-taught musician for sure.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
14:06
SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah.
14:07
SPEAKER_01: So were you ever in like high school band for drums?
14:10
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
14:10
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
14:11
SPEAKER_04: Yep.
14:11
SPEAKER_04: I uh I started, I think, seventh grade in in high school band.
14:17
SPEAKER_04: Went in with a Led Zeppelin t-shirt on and didn't they?
14:20
SPEAKER_04: I remember Mr.
14:21
SPEAKER_04: Fear straight up asked me, you know what a parididdle is?
14:24
SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, no.
14:26
SPEAKER_04: It's like cool, this is gonna be fun.
14:28
SPEAKER_04: And then it wasn't fun for a little while because it was, you know, it's regimen and and it taught me discipline though.
14:35
SPEAKER_04: Um and also how to really play.
14:38
SPEAKER_04: It also gets stage fright out of you.
14:40
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
14:41
SPEAKER_04: Literally beats it out of you, you know.
14:43
SPEAKER_04: When you're playing in a uh football stadium full of people, oh shit.
14:47
SPEAKER_04: You know, yeah, it's yeah.
14:49
SPEAKER_04: So but it was great, yeah.
14:51
SPEAKER_04: Um, drumline all through high school, jazz band.
14:55
SPEAKER_04: If my grades were eligible, yeah.
14:59
SPEAKER_01: I got I got kicked out of band because I had bad grades.
15:02
SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
15:03
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and you went to Ship Rock, right?
15:04
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
15:05
SPEAKER_04: Yep.
15:06
SPEAKER_01: Well, I've told the story many times.
15:07
SPEAKER_01: Uh Mr.
15:08
SPEAKER_01: Thomas was our band teacher, and then he left and we went to high school, and there was a new band teacher, and then out of nowhere, he just uh the band teacher was wasn't band teachering, you know, and nobody liked him, and everybody was like and then I got into arguments with two of the band teachers, and then I almost got kicked out of band for arguing with the band teacher.
15:28
SPEAKER_01: And then he came back.
15:30
SPEAKER_01: Mr.
15:30
SPEAKER_01: Thomas came back, and I was like, hey, woo! And I was all happy to see him.
15:34
SPEAKER_01: And then uh he had to retire again the next year, and then yeah, but yeah, uh the last year, my senior year, I got out of concert band because I wasn't I wasn't doing my grades work.
15:45
SPEAKER_01: They're like, You're not gonna graduate, you don't have enough credits, we gotta drop this to fill that in.
15:48
SPEAKER_01: I was like, Oh.
15:50
SPEAKER_01: But I was still in jazz bands.
15:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
15:52
SPEAKER_01: I was in concert band, marching band, and jazz band.
15:55
SPEAKER_01: Oh, heck yeah.
15:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
15:56
SPEAKER_01: Would you play a marching?
15:57
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, I played the trumpet.
15:59
SPEAKER_01: I wanted to play the snare drum.
16:01
SPEAKER_01: I had all my my drumsticks and everything.
16:03
SPEAKER_01: I had my own snare and all that, but they were just like, Well, you gotta go, you gotta pay your dues, you know, from sixth grade, seventh grade, eighth grade, ninth grade to be you know, oh yeah, dude.
16:16
SPEAKER_01: All I knew was pineapple, pineapple.
16:17
SPEAKER_01: Well, that's all I knew.
16:18
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
16:18
SPEAKER_00: I was like, I can try, you know.
16:21
SPEAKER_01: And then Jazz Band, I wanted to play drums, but I don't know.
16:24
SPEAKER_01: I was kind of felt that way too.
16:26
SPEAKER_01: Like I wanted to be a drummer.
16:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
16:28
SPEAKER_01: And I wanted to be a bass player.
16:30
SPEAKER_01: But I don't know.
16:31
SPEAKER_01: I like rhythm.
16:32
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I was just about to say, yeah, that that seems to pull you.
16:35
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
16:35
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
16:36
SPEAKER_04: Are you more of a rhythm player guitar-wise, too?
16:39
SPEAKER_01: I like to play the lead, but I can play rhythm.
16:43
SPEAKER_01: Right.
16:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the the the most intense thing I learned so far right now is I don't know if you like uh Avenge Sevenfold, the nobody song.
16:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
16:52
SPEAKER_01: Nobody.
16:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
16:53
SPEAKER_01: That solo.
16:56
SPEAKER_01: I learned real.
16:57
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
16:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I learned it.
16:58
SPEAKER_04: I was like, ah.
17:00
SPEAKER_04: So you haven't seen the sunlight since he started playing.
17:03
SPEAKER_01: I pick it up here and there, but I've broken a lot of strings.
17:06
SPEAKER_01: All my I think I posted a video that was like, look at this one, look at this.
17:10
SPEAKER_01: All my guitars.
17:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:11
SPEAKER_01: Scarlet Johansson audio, look at this one, look at that one.
17:14
SPEAKER_01: They were all the high E was broken because there's one note, you gotta bend it really high and tap it.
17:18
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
17:20
SPEAKER_01: And that every single time.
17:23
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, ah, and then I finally picked it up, restrang all my guitars, and then I sat there with a metronome that slow.
17:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:32
SPEAKER_01: Now the metronome's like, hear that in your sleep.
17:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:36
SPEAKER_01: I did.
17:37
SPEAKER_01: Like it comes up on TikTok, Sinister, playing that solo.
17:40
SPEAKER_01: And of course he makes it look so easy.
17:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:44
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh, and I'm like, I was sitting there and almost like I never skip a video of that.
17:48
SPEAKER_01: I have it in my head, I play it in my head.
17:50
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I'm gonna learn this.
17:51
SPEAKER_01: I said it said it's his hardest, it's the hardest solo to date.
17:55
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, okay, I'm gonna try it.
17:57
SPEAKER_01: And I got it.
17:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:58
SPEAKER_01: I was like, hey, I can play it.
18:00
SPEAKER_01: So pretty stuck.
18:01
SPEAKER_01: But I can't play it now.
18:02
SPEAKER_01: That's what bothers me that my amp's all busted.
18:05
SPEAKER_01: But I have that Kemper in there, but I just it's it's hooked up to everything.
18:09
SPEAKER_01: In order to play guitar, I have to turn on everything.
18:12
SPEAKER_01: You have to wait until it warms up.
18:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
18:13
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I don't want to do that.
18:15
SPEAKER_01: I just want to plug in and sit here, watch TV and play guitar.
18:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
18:18
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I don't know.
18:19
SPEAKER_01: What's what's one of the hardest things that you learned on drums?
18:22
SPEAKER_01: Shit.
18:23
SPEAKER_01: Well, was there a goal, like a song that you remember playing, or just like I'm gonna learn this song?
18:27
SPEAKER_01: It was giving you attitude, and you're like, motherfucker, I want to learn this song.
18:30
SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
18:30
SPEAKER_04: I can't really, I don't really feel like there was anything I was like a goal in particular, yeah, song-wise.
18:36
SPEAKER_04: Um, of course, I have my benchmarks where you know, if I'm gonna play a rush song, I want to try to get it as close as possible to the man, you know what I mean?
18:46
SPEAKER_04: Other songs, I mean, with perfect illustration of this is what we do in the flood, which is we do covers.
18:52
SPEAKER_04: We started as a cover band, we kind of veered away from that completely, but we still do covers, but we do our covers, yeah.
19:00
SPEAKER_04: So if for doing, say, a staple late in the night is always um won't get fooled by the who.
19:06
SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
19:07
SPEAKER_00: I saw your video of it, yeah.
19:09
SPEAKER_04: Which is so much, so much fun to play.
19:11
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that sounds fun.
19:12
SPEAKER_04: It's a bitch to do after a four-hour show, but it I love stuff like that where I can play like it, and I guess that's kind of having a goal at it, but also inject me into it.
19:25
SPEAKER_04: So I I it's me acting like Keith Moon, which is one of the funnest things you can possibly do.
19:31
SPEAKER_04: Um, and just to be unpredictable with your fills and all that kind of stuff, but it's still I still get to interject me into that as well, you know.
19:39
SPEAKER_04: Um, so that's the funnest thing about the flood is yeah, and I'm sure the rest of the members kind of feel that way too.
19:45
SPEAKER_04: They have their parts, but also you there's a lot of room to just fuck around in there, and that's what we that's what we do best.
19:51
SPEAKER_01: I remember seeing was that uh hundred year flood as well when you guys did the Black Sabbath?
19:56
SPEAKER_01: That's yeah.
19:58
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
20:00
SPEAKER_04: That one's coming back.
20:01
SPEAKER_04: We're bringing that one back.
20:02
SPEAKER_04: I I want to bring that one back to the set list.
20:04
SPEAKER_04: I I was against bringing it back.
20:06
unknown: Oh, really?
20:07
SPEAKER_04: Because yeah, uh, well, you play these songs enough.
20:11
SPEAKER_04: They always make the joke like the whipping post joke.
20:14
SPEAKER_04: Because I've had to play that fucking song like for years and years.
20:17
SPEAKER_04: I was playing it with my boy Eric.
20:19
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
20:20
SPEAKER_04: Before the flood really got going, before we started it together, and like yeah, it's like, dude, can we just get a new song?
20:26
SPEAKER_04: You know, but they but we play it so well, and I'm sure it's like you know, it's the margarita thing, you know, her margaritaville thing.
20:33
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you you play those songs enough, you get sick of them, but it's somebody else's first time hearing it.
20:38
SPEAKER_04: So that's you know hearing it live like that.
20:40
SPEAKER_01: It's funny covering it, yeah.
20:41
SPEAKER_01: It's someone's first time.
20:42
SPEAKER_01: They're like, oh shit.
20:43
SPEAKER_04: And I'll bitch and I'll complain all I want.
20:45
SPEAKER_04: But once we get done playing it, I'm like, oh my god, that was so much fun, you know.
20:50
SPEAKER_04: Totally did.
20:51
SPEAKER_04: Yep.
20:52
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, definitely war pigs.
20:55
SPEAKER_04: I want back.
20:55
SPEAKER_04: It just seems very utopical right now.
20:58
SPEAKER_04: I remember, yeah, seeing that.
20:59
SPEAKER_01: And I know seeing you specifically, you're all standing there, and you pick your symbol.
21:04
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, whoa! That was a point.
21:05
SPEAKER_04: That was a while back, wasn't it?
21:07
SPEAKER_01: That was yeah.
21:07
SPEAKER_04: If I had longer hair, probably, yeah.
21:09
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yep, good times.
21:13
SPEAKER_01: So so tell me a little more about um 100 year flood.
21:17
SPEAKER_04: Flood, yeah.
21:18
SPEAKER_01: How long, how when did that start?
21:19
SPEAKER_01: That's been it's been around.
21:21
SPEAKER_04: That's it's been around in different ways, conform forms, and configurations.
21:25
SPEAKER_04: Um, it actually dates back a long time ago.
21:28
SPEAKER_04: Me and uh Dylan Drake, our guitar player.
21:31
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
21:32
SPEAKER_04: Um, we met, they hired me on to play drums for Reverend Catfish, I think 2012, 2014.
21:39
SPEAKER_01: Reverend Catfish.
21:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
21:41
SPEAKER_04: And yeah, um we're closer in age, so we grew up loving the same time some music that nobody else did.
21:49
SPEAKER_04: So we've had you know a very close bond.
21:52
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
21:52
SPEAKER_04: Um, and then playing in that band, it's a bar it's a bar band.
21:56
SPEAKER_04: You're working, like you're legitimate fucking working for.
22:00
SPEAKER_04: You know, doing playing drums is like doing math equations and running a fucking marathon at the same time.
22:06
SPEAKER_04: So four or five-hour night, you know, and sometimes more.
22:10
SPEAKER_04: Um, yeah, we really got to learn how to play together.
22:14
SPEAKER_04: And um, once that band, you know, kind of fizzled out, we were lost.
22:19
SPEAKER_04: We didn't know what to do.
22:20
SPEAKER_04: We went from working all the time to we don't have anything to do.
22:25
SPEAKER_04: So Dylan kind of got in with the crowd in Durango and would book us gigs.
22:30
SPEAKER_04: And so he'd be like, Okay, cool, we got Friday, Saturday night.
22:34
SPEAKER_04: We're gonna start at eight, go to midnight if they want more.
22:37
SPEAKER_04: Cool.
22:38
SPEAKER_04: That was awesome, right?
22:39
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we didn't have a band.
22:41
SPEAKER_04: He would book a band and we wouldn't have a band.
22:45
SPEAKER_04: So we were literally like just blow up people's phones and try to find a bass player for the night or who fucking accordion player for the night.
22:52
SPEAKER_04: It was somebody who anybody wanted to just play.
22:55
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and so we had lists of songs that we liked to do, and like if guys want to do it in different keys and such.
23:01
SPEAKER_04: So we did that a few times, and miraculously enough, it never went to hell, you know, or it never fell apart, you know.
23:06
SPEAKER_04: We always did the gig, and so we just kept it going.
23:10
SPEAKER_04: But to do that, bars need this need a name, yeah.
23:15
SPEAKER_04: You know, they can't just book like this guy, this group of guys one week in the banks.
23:20
SPEAKER_04: You need a you know, grow following.
23:21
SPEAKER_04: So Dylan came up with the name A hundred year flood.
23:25
SPEAKER_04: And believe it or not, it's actually like a geological occurrence.
23:29
SPEAKER_04: And currently Duranko's in one right now as a hundred year flood.
23:32
SPEAKER_04: Really?
23:33
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's just the way the water works or something.
23:36
SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
23:36
SPEAKER_04: But um, yeah, so we hung the name on it and then kept doing that.
23:41
SPEAKER_04: And then years on down the road, I met the other guitar player, Jeremiah.
23:45
SPEAKER_04: Um, and he randomly hit me up about needing a bass player.
23:48
SPEAKER_04: And I was like, fuck, I can do that.
23:50
SPEAKER_04: Cool.
23:50
SPEAKER_04: Well, you know, so I jumped in with him and you know, got to learn to play with him, and we somehow found our way all together.
23:56
SPEAKER_04: And we needed it was again one of those situations where we had a gig, but we had no members.
24:02
SPEAKER_04: We didn't have a bass player, we didn't have a singer, we didn't have songs, nothing.
24:06
SPEAKER_04: Found a bass player, Dan the Man Hancock, who's a fucking legend.
24:11
SPEAKER_04: Um, and then for a singer, we didn't really have anybody, but we did know one cat and uh my boy Eric Campbell, he was him on here.
24:20
SPEAKER_04: He was on here too.
24:21
SPEAKER_04: Yep, he was a singer for old school Jenkins.
24:23
SPEAKER_04: He he did his own solo work as well for a long time.
24:25
SPEAKER_04: And me and him played acoustic stuff together all the time, so it was like natural progression.
24:31
SPEAKER_04: He's he's a homie of the guys, anyways.
24:33
SPEAKER_04: Bring him on in and good homie of mine too.
24:35
SPEAKER_04: He was a good homie of everybody's, yeah.
24:37
SPEAKER_04: And I love and miss him every single second of the day.
24:40
SPEAKER_04: Um, but um, yeah, we uh yeah, we got together and like it just seemed to fit, you know.
24:48
SPEAKER_04: And we had another singer too.
24:49
SPEAKER_04: It was kind of funny.
24:50
SPEAKER_04: We had such like a we kind of asked too many people to come join.
24:54
SPEAKER_04: So we had two singers for a little bit, and then you know, time went on by and we've it formed and shaped us over time, but we were doing just covers, yeah.
25:02
SPEAKER_04: And so got the bills paid, but we we wanted a little bit more at that time.
25:06
SPEAKER_04: Eric's kids were very young, so he was like, I want to be there for my for my boys.
25:10
SPEAKER_04: We you know, understood.
25:12
SPEAKER_04: Um, we had a bass player at the time, Alex, who was you know kind of a nomad, he didn't stick around for very long in one place.
25:19
SPEAKER_04: So when he bowed out too, we were like, damn, we're down to members.
25:23
SPEAKER_04: So that's where Ben and Kellyana came from.
25:26
SPEAKER_04: And just by hand happen chance meetings, you know, um, Ben came out at one of our random gigs we had at Dylan's cabin somewhere uh out in New Mexico, down yeah, by the lake.
25:40
SPEAKER_04: And so yeah, we met Ben.
25:42
SPEAKER_04: Kel drop came in, she like worked with one of the guys, and things just built into what it is now.
25:50
SPEAKER_04: And so we it's literally just been molding and shaping constantly.
25:55
SPEAKER_04: And we're con trying to change things up.
25:57
SPEAKER_04: We'd have our own original music, but no two songs sound the same.
26:02
SPEAKER_04: We're such a weird amalgamation of different types of people that it just works, yeah.
26:07
SPEAKER_04: And it's it's a beautiful thing to have that kind of that kind of act, you know, or outlet with other people.
26:14
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, I hold it near and dear to my heart for sure.
26:17
SPEAKER_04: They're just fun people to play with, so yeah.
26:20
SPEAKER_04: That's awesome.
26:21
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
26:22
SPEAKER_01: Well, if you ever need anybody else, you know, hit me up.
26:26
SPEAKER_01: Right.
26:26
SPEAKER_01: I'm down for a jam now.
26:27
SPEAKER_01: I can sing, I can play guitar, play bass, you know, but you know.
26:33
SPEAKER_04: We just love to jam too, sometimes.
26:34
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we've you know, yeah, we're all grateful dead fans.
26:39
SPEAKER_04: You know, we just love to just play and create tapestry with each other, you know.
26:43
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and that's what old school Jenkins is, is also it's like that, but in a different direction.
26:48
SPEAKER_01: I I used to see that around all the time, old school Jenkins.
26:51
SPEAKER_01: It always made me think of um half baked on the beginning, and he's like, Me, Scarface, Kenny, and old man Jenkins.
26:59
SPEAKER_01: Wait a minute, it was no old man Jenkins.
27:01
SPEAKER_01: I didn't even know anybody named Old Man Jenkins.
27:03
SPEAKER_01: That's what I always thought.
27:04
SPEAKER_01: Like, what where did that name come from?
27:06
SPEAKER_04: Old School Jenkins.
27:07
SPEAKER_04: It was a old friend, actually.
27:09
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he was an old sound guy, Casey Jenkins was his name.
27:13
SPEAKER_04: And he was, I mean, that old cat was sold around for a long time, playing, you know, around the music scene, and he was a very accomplished um sound guy, um, and owned his own business doing that.
27:24
SPEAKER_04: And he was a dear friend of Dylan's, and uh he was the sound guy for Reverend Catfish.
27:30
SPEAKER_04: He was a big personality, too.
27:32
SPEAKER_04: So his his nickname was old school.
27:34
SPEAKER_04: Um he had cancer in past, um, but that was our way of kind of like honoring, you know, yeah.
27:41
SPEAKER_04: His legend, but also it's just a funny name, too.
27:44
SPEAKER_04: Like I kind of it's funny because it's kind of like Pink Floyd, like people would think it's it's just a one guy, you know.
27:50
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's a band, but you know, so that's kind of why we we picked that name.
27:55
SPEAKER_04: It was kind of it was fitting, I thought.
27:56
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
27:57
SPEAKER_01: So what did they all play?
27:58
SPEAKER_01: What did old old school Jenkins play?
28:02
SPEAKER_01: That was a lot of compared to Hundred Year Flood.
28:04
SPEAKER_04: Uh that was a lot of well, we have guys in the band that are, you know, more jazzy, Grateful Dead feel Mike the bass player.
28:14
SPEAKER_04: Um, I come from a more heavy, heavier background, but I can I can play uh most other things too.
28:20
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, or pretty much anything.
28:22
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, um, and Dylan's kind of the same way.
28:24
SPEAKER_04: And then Eric fronting us, he came in with a more hip-hop RB element and and frame of view.
28:33
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, we just threw it all together in one big pop.
28:37
SPEAKER_04: That's awesome.
28:37
SPEAKER_04: I love how that works.
28:39
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so he'll come Eric would come in like there's a risk, right?
28:42
SPEAKER_04: You know, he the way how he talked, you know.
28:43
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he would just get excited, be like, I got this Ray Charles song I want to try out.
28:48
SPEAKER_04: And he would show us, and we would just like arrange around what he wanted to do.
28:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we knew the song, you know, but we would just chime in and add in your tasty little feels, exactly.
28:58
SPEAKER_04: Build it and and slow it down, speed it up, that kind of thing.
29:02
SPEAKER_04: So very fluid, open, jammy kind of feel to everything.
29:05
SPEAKER_04: Um, but yeah, having that that RB feel to it, that was a big thing.
29:11
SPEAKER_04: Um, so luckily, you know, we've got an amazing player in Ben Baldwin coming in to to play and not fill Eric's spot, but to be add his flavor to it.
29:24
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
29:25
SPEAKER_04: Um, of course, Eric's gonna always be on the stage with us.
29:28
SPEAKER_04: He's always on stage with us now.
29:30
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
29:31
SPEAKER_04: Um, so his presence is very felt still, but you know, we're it's it's exciting to to get it back going again because it is very therapeutic, very healing kind of thing for us, also.
29:42
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, to be able to just sit and play music with your friends.
29:45
SPEAKER_01: That's I know you know what I mean.
29:48
SPEAKER_01: That's how I felt like two, three weeks ago.
29:50
SPEAKER_01: I invited the fellas over.
29:51
SPEAKER_01: I was on that, we we were chilling right here.
29:54
SPEAKER_01: You see my couch, it's all long ways.
29:56
SPEAKER_01: Um, they brought his my homeboy brought his bass amp.
29:59
SPEAKER_01: It's like huge.
30:01
SPEAKER_01: And the other guy, Drake, my other buddy, he brought his his his amp, and we just played her here, and I was singing on that little PA right there.
30:09
SPEAKER_01: I have my mixer.
30:09
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you saw it in there.
30:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that was the most awesome feeling ever.
30:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:14
SPEAKER_01: We haven't done that in a good while.
30:16
SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh I was like, need somebody to play this drum or this.
30:20
SPEAKER_01: We're missing a piece.
30:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:22
SPEAKER_01: We're just like, oh my gosh, that felt so good.
30:24
SPEAKER_01: It felt good to jam again.
30:25
SPEAKER_01: And I was just going off my head, like, oh man, we should do that again next week.
30:28
SPEAKER_01: And we should we should play this song, we should cover this song.
30:31
SPEAKER_01: We should just jam.
30:32
SPEAKER_01: Come on.
30:32
SPEAKER_01: Once you get started, yeah, it's like a faucet.
30:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:36
SPEAKER_01: Floor gates are open.
30:37
SPEAKER_01: Just to get that feeling going.
30:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:39
SPEAKER_01: That flow.
30:39
SPEAKER_01: And it's like, mmm.
30:40
SPEAKER_01: And I remember when we used to jam too.
30:43
SPEAKER_01: Like uh, we used we played a lot of System of a Down, a lot of uh Rage Against the Machine Corn.
30:49
SPEAKER_01: Um, I don't remember what else we played.
30:50
SPEAKER_01: We played Beatles covers too.
30:52
SPEAKER_01: Nice.
30:52
SPEAKER_01: And um when it was four of us, we had a couple drummers here and there.
30:57
SPEAKER_01: And then when you do the breakdown, that wall that just like the blast.
31:06
SPEAKER_01: Everybody feels it.
31:07
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, everybody in the room just literally nothing beats that.
31:14
SPEAKER_04: It's yeah, it's better than crack.
31:16
SPEAKER_01: I've never had it, but I mean, I'm gonna you could imagine.
31:19
SPEAKER_01: You can imagine, yeah.
31:20
SPEAKER_04: That camera says it's off.
31:22
SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's all right.
31:22
SPEAKER_01: That one shut off.
31:23
SPEAKER_01: Uh okay.
31:23
SPEAKER_01: I think we hit a 30-minute mark.
31:25
SPEAKER_01: That's when those those shut off.
31:26
SPEAKER_01: I don't know why that one shut off.
31:27
SPEAKER_01: I feel like I need to clear some shit off of that.
31:29
SPEAKER_01: Oh, cool.
31:30
SPEAKER_01: But um, yeah.
31:31
SPEAKER_04: Nice.
31:32
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, nothing beats that feeling.
31:34
SPEAKER_04: Just having that wall hit everybody at the same time.
31:37
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's just yeah, yeah.
31:39
SPEAKER_01: It's those those songs we used, those those bands we used to play the like the new metal type versions, new metal genre.
31:46
SPEAKER_01: And they have those breakdowns where it's just like two seconds of silence.
31:53
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, that wall.
31:55
SPEAKER_01: And even when we we got together with um Tony Heartless and we were playing covering, not covering, we were playing his songs off his first album.
32:04
SPEAKER_01: I think it was first album, but yeah, um, we were playing on that, and we were just kind of getting the tone and vibe, trying to imitate everything that was going on in his his music.
32:13
SPEAKER_01: And when we got the flow going, oh, it was so good.
32:17
SPEAKER_01: We were playing, and I was harmonizing with him, and we had the drums, the bass, guitar, and everything.
32:22
SPEAKER_01: Just that feeling of that flow, and you're like, yo, we're making this music, it's awesome.
32:27
SPEAKER_01: We're not making it, but we're like, we're playing the music, yeah.
32:30
SPEAKER_01: It's just a good vibe.
32:32
SPEAKER_04: Definitely.
32:32
SPEAKER_04: He'd be able to put you on autopilot for a little bit, you know, and just let yeah, let the soul go for a little while.
32:39
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
32:40
SPEAKER_04: I mean, yeah.
32:41
SPEAKER_04: Because I know a lot of times that's why a lot of times I play with sunglasses.
32:45
SPEAKER_04: One is the lights kind of get to me anymore, but two is because my eyes are closed, anyways.
32:50
SPEAKER_04: Oh, really?
32:50
SPEAKER_04: So, yeah, pictures.
32:51
SPEAKER_04: I look fucking stupid, do you know?
32:53
SPEAKER_04: I'm like this the whole time.
32:55
SPEAKER_04: But that's just when the music goes, you know.
32:58
SPEAKER_04: That's just natural.
33:00
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, once you're in it, you're in it, man.
33:02
SPEAKER_01: And it's just the greatest feeling in the world.
33:05
SPEAKER_01: It is.
33:05
SPEAKER_01: Oh man.
33:07
SPEAKER_01: That reminds me of um that movie.
33:09
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you've seen it called Soul.
33:11
SPEAKER_01: No, the other one.
33:13
SPEAKER_01: But that song I was like, That thing you do.
33:15
SPEAKER_01: I think it's a very the he has the shades.
33:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's good.
33:20
SPEAKER_04: Love that movie.
33:22
SPEAKER_02: He's too fast.
33:24
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
33:25
SPEAKER_04: That's one of those first songs I learned how to play.
33:28
SPEAKER_04: Really?
33:29
SPEAKER_04: Really?
33:29
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
33:30
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
33:30
SPEAKER_04: Then I didn't have a drum kit or anything, but I knew how to do that.
33:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that beat, you know.
33:34
SPEAKER_01: Mine was that one song.
33:35
SPEAKER_01: Um, what the heck is it called?
33:36
SPEAKER_01: That that uh how does it feel to treat me like you do?
33:47
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, oh, I can do this.
33:48
SPEAKER_01: I can be a drummer.
33:49
SPEAKER_01: And then when I got my drummer, I couldn't do that.
33:52
SPEAKER_04: Another one for me was uh Lenny Kravitz, um, once you dig in.
33:57
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
33:58
SPEAKER_04: Easiest drum kit drum fill, you know.
34:00
SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
34:03
SPEAKER_04: Once you got once you can do that beat as like a four, you know, fourth grader, uh, you can do anything.
34:09
SPEAKER_04: Because that then that became super close to enter Sandman, which was a natural progress, you know, kind of thing.
34:15
SPEAKER_01: So I heard he had all kinds of trouble learn uh writing that in Sandman.
34:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
34:20
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
34:21
SPEAKER_04: I'm sure.
34:21
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and it's Metallica's man.
34:25
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
34:26
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
34:27
SPEAKER_04: So when was your first exposure to like heavy music then?
34:31
SPEAKER_04: Oh man, first grade.
34:33
SPEAKER_04: Yeah?
34:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
34:34
SPEAKER_01: Oh, it was early then.
34:35
SPEAKER_01: Early.
34:36
SPEAKER_01: I was listening to Marilyn Manson in first grade.
34:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, all right.
34:39
SPEAKER_01: I live Marilyn Manson in the deep end.
34:41
SPEAKER_01: Hell Billy Deluxe.
34:42
SPEAKER_01: Um that's uh what else was I listening to?
34:46
SPEAKER_01: Second grade.
34:47
SPEAKER_01: I was wearing a Rommstein t-shirt.
34:49
SPEAKER_03: Nice.
34:49
SPEAKER_01: I wasn't even supposed to wear it, it was my brother's shirt.
34:51
SPEAKER_01: I ran in there, grabbed that, put it on, it was like really big on me.
34:54
SPEAKER_01: They made me turn it inside out.
34:57
SPEAKER_01: And uh yeah, I remember that.
34:59
SPEAKER_01: I remember being in first grade and and walking to the playground going, yeah.
35:10
SPEAKER_01: And um, oh, what the was that?
35:12
SPEAKER_01: Uh Nirvana.
35:13
SPEAKER_01: It was like Nirvana in fifth uh first grade.
35:15
SPEAKER_01: That song was always in my head.
35:18
SPEAKER_01: Oh, what song was it?
35:22
SPEAKER_01: I think it was Drain You.
35:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
35:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yep.
35:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, those were always in my head, and then hearing Come As You Are when I was little.
35:42
SPEAKER_01: That was like 1994 is when Unplugged V version came out.
35:47
SPEAKER_01: Right.
35:47
SPEAKER_01: And then I heard all those songs.
35:49
SPEAKER_01: My brother was listening to it, my mom was listening to it, Smashing Pumpkins.
35:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, oh yeah.
35:53
SPEAKER_01: All of those I was listening to when I was little.
35:56
SPEAKER_01: And I was just talking to my my girl about this the other day because we were talking about memory, and I was like, a lot of people don't remember when they were tiny, when they were little, like, I don't know, I don't remember anything.
36:06
SPEAKER_01: I was like, I remember everything.
36:07
SPEAKER_01: I was like, ask me about anything.
36:09
SPEAKER_01: And she's like, uh the mall.
36:12
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I remember going to the mall.
36:13
SPEAKER_01: There was a store called Best, and it was huge.
36:16
SPEAKER_01: It was right.
36:16
SPEAKER_01: I remember, yeah, it was where the the movie theater is now.
36:19
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, where there used to be a uh um I can't I hate to say animal store, but a pet shop.
36:25
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, right there in the corner.
36:27
SPEAKER_04: I yeah, with Walgreens and all that.
36:29
SPEAKER_01: Yep, Walgreens was right there.
36:31
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I heard it was called Best, and I was really small, I wasn't in school yet.
36:35
SPEAKER_01: And then my mom took me to go uh take pictures at my brother's school for like because it was picture day, so she took me over there and she's like, Can my son get a picture?
36:43
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, so she paid for the picture and all that, and I got my picture, and I wasn't even in school yet.
36:47
SPEAKER_01: But she took me to Farmington and I got my swing, and it was a swing, I didn't know what it was, but the chain was blue, and I was like, Oh wow, it looks plastic.
36:56
SPEAKER_01: Like you can bite into it, but you're not supposed to.
36:58
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, We drove back, and I remember there was a song by the pretenders.
37:01
SPEAKER_01: You know the pretenders?
37:02
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
37:03
SPEAKER_01: The pretenders were playing, and I was sitting in the back, I was all like about to go to sleep, and I went to sleep, and I woke up, and my mom took me outside, and she's like, Here, try your swing.
37:12
SPEAKER_01: And I was so small, I wasn't even in kindergarten yet.
37:14
SPEAKER_01: I wasn't even in, I was like three, maybe.
37:17
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and I was like But when that song comes on, yeah, you're right there in that damn swing, you know.
37:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that's what brought it kind of brought to my attention when you guys were like my my parents are vinyl collectors, and I was like, I remember going to Durango.
37:29
SPEAKER_01: That was a there was a record store in Durango.
37:31
SPEAKER_01: Do you remember that store?
37:32
SPEAKER_01: It was called uh something records.
37:36
SPEAKER_01: I don't remember the record store.
37:37
SPEAKER_04: I remember cats and I remember one being in the mall or something up there, too.
37:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
37:42
SPEAKER_01: But it was like downtown.
37:43
SPEAKER_01: I forgot what it was.
37:44
SPEAKER_01: I had stickers of it.
37:46
SPEAKER_01: I don't know where my stickers went.
37:47
SPEAKER_01: Oh, Southwest Sound.
37:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Southwest Sound! Yeah, yeah, yeah.
37:51
SPEAKER_00: I would have not remembered that.
37:52
SPEAKER_01: Southwest Sound.
37:54
SPEAKER_01: Missed that fucking place.
37:55
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
37:55
SPEAKER_01: So I went in there and I found all kinds of vintage Beatles, like original pressings.
38:00
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, whoa! And I bought all those and John Lennon records and all these things.
38:04
SPEAKER_01: And then I found uh some other ones like Mama Cass, the Ohio players, and freaking the pretenders.
38:12
SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
38:12
SPEAKER_01: Did you watch a movie called Rain on Me with Adam Sandler?
38:16
SPEAKER_01: I don't think so.
38:17
SPEAKER_04: That's yeah.
38:18
SPEAKER_01: That's one of his serious roles.
38:20
SPEAKER_01: It's very it'll make your ass cry.
38:22
SPEAKER_01: But he goes in the record store and he's like, Oh, look, look what I found.
38:26
SPEAKER_01: He picked it up and it was original pressing of the pretenders.
38:30
SPEAKER_01: And he's like, Look at this original pressing.
38:32
SPEAKER_01: He's like, God, I love the way these things smell.
38:35
SPEAKER_01: And I found the original pressing of it, and I was like, Let me drop the shit out of it.
38:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
38:40
SPEAKER_01: Oh, that smells old.
38:43
SPEAKER_00: So I bought that, and I was like, damn it.
38:45
SPEAKER_01: So I bought an original pressing of the pretenders.
38:48
SPEAKER_01: Nice.
38:48
SPEAKER_01: And then um I had a yard sale at my buddy's house in Fruitland up there.
38:53
SPEAKER_01: And that just happened to be in the box.
38:54
SPEAKER_01: I was like, whoops, not this one.
38:56
SPEAKER_01: And I put it on the side right here next to me.
38:58
SPEAKER_01: And my dad's like, hey, we came to check out your yard sale.
39:00
SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh, hey.
39:01
SPEAKER_01: He was walking around, he walked beside me, he just dug in my box and he's like, What's this?
39:05
SPEAKER_01: I was like, Oh, that's that wasn't supposed to be in there.
39:08
SPEAKER_01: He's like, How much for this?
39:09
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Oh, it's it's not you can have it.
39:13
SPEAKER_00: Okay, put it down.
39:15
SPEAKER_00: I was like, no, I go ahead.
39:17
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's my dad.
39:18
SPEAKER_00: You can have it.
39:19
SPEAKER_00: Go ahead.
39:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, not me.
39:20
SPEAKER_00: Fuck that.
39:20
SPEAKER_00: Put it down.
39:22
SPEAKER_01: You got your own.
39:23
SPEAKER_01: I think I bought him some vinyls a few years ago.
39:27
SPEAKER_04: I seen a pretenders a few years back.
39:29
SPEAKER_04: Really?
39:29
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
39:29
SPEAKER_04: I was a little apprehensive seeing them because they were opening for Foo Fighters.
39:33
SPEAKER_04: Really?
39:34
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, in in Mile High State or Sports Authority, whatever the hell it's called, up in Denver.
39:39
SPEAKER_04: And of course, it's like Foo Fighters in a stadium.
39:41
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
39:42
SPEAKER_04: And then opening the show was uh Wolfgang Van Halen.
39:45
SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
39:47
SPEAKER_04: Mammoth.
39:48
SPEAKER_04: Fucking incredible, you know.
39:50
SPEAKER_04: I'm a huge Van Halen fan too.
39:52
SPEAKER_04: So I like to see, you know, uh the closest you'll get to Eddie right there.
39:55
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
39:56
SPEAKER_04: And he shreds it, you know, as much as Dad, but he's his own guy, you know.
39:59
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
39:59
SPEAKER_04: But anyways, um, yeah, they they were on the bill too.
40:03
SPEAKER_04: So I was kind of like, oh, I don't know about the pretenders be, you know.
40:06
SPEAKER_04: They were fucking incredible.
40:08
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
40:08
SPEAKER_04: They they weren't like a big rah-rah stadium show.
40:11
SPEAKER_04: They just did what they did in like every song was like a banger, you know.
40:15
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
40:15
SPEAKER_04: And they ended with Ohio, which is a song I wasn't really keen on, but I was like, damn, that was that was a sick closer.
40:21
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
40:22
SPEAKER_04: Newfound respect for Chrissy Hyde and them.
40:24
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that was yeah, they definitely, yep, they take me back.
40:28
SPEAKER_04: Yep.
40:28
SPEAKER_01: I love that.
40:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
40:29
SPEAKER_01: I I I wanted to get me another one.
40:32
SPEAKER_01: I found a few more.
40:32
SPEAKER_01: Um I don't remember what else I found up there.
40:35
SPEAKER_01: I was like, ooh, I'll buy that.
40:36
SPEAKER_01: I'll buy like a record guy who was looking at me, like, what the fuck?
40:39
SPEAKER_01: Because it's like you see how I'm just like this, but I'm buying all those like older stuff.
40:44
SPEAKER_01: And he I look like somebody that would buy like cannibal corpse or some shit.
40:48
SPEAKER_01: You know, like the heavier dark shit, but I'm like, no, I like this.
40:52
SPEAKER_01: I got some Beatles, Mama Cass.
40:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, fucking Oh, Mama Cass, bro.
40:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I found all of these, and I was just like, oh, I still have some of them.
41:00
SPEAKER_01: They're all in my storage as well.
41:01
SPEAKER_01: Nice.
41:02
SPEAKER_04: That's one of my favorite things is going to a record shop and buying a bunch of obscure stuff.
41:05
SPEAKER_04: And then the guy at the counter is like, sees how old you are, yeah, and it's kind of like, what the heck, you know?
41:10
SPEAKER_04: But it's like the records are coming back around again, you know, that music is speaking a little bit more, you know, these days.
41:17
SPEAKER_04: And so, yeah, to have old vinyl, man, nothing, nothing beats that.
41:22
SPEAKER_01: There was a TikTok video of a mom saying that.
41:24
SPEAKER_01: She was there was a her daughter was at Target and she's like, What are you buying?
41:27
SPEAKER_01: She's like, I'm buying these record players.
41:29
SPEAKER_01: So, see?
41:30
SPEAKER_01: So, you need a record player to play those records.
41:32
SPEAKER_01: It's like, no, it comes with it.
41:34
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, You need the player.
41:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it it that's what I'm buying.
41:39
SPEAKER_01: It's in here, it's already in.
41:40
SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh my god.
41:41
SPEAKER_01: And then that daughter was like, You do you know anything about records, mom?
41:44
SPEAKER_00: It's like, fuck you, you know.
41:47
SPEAKER_00: It's like, oh my god.
41:50
SPEAKER_01: Like, you don't even know what you're talking about.
41:51
SPEAKER_01: How are you gonna play that thing?
41:53
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I I had a record player.
41:56
SPEAKER_01: Um, I think I gave it to my buddy Gab, but yeah, I I don't I don't have one right now, but yeah.
42:02
SPEAKER_01: I have vinyls laying around here and there, but I haven't really played any recently.
42:08
SPEAKER_01: I have a few rare ones.
42:10
SPEAKER_01: Um the last time I went out there, I went out to go uh buy uh Brandy Carlisle.
42:14
SPEAKER_01: Have you heard of Brandy Carlisle?
42:15
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
42:17
SPEAKER_01: There was an exclusive little short.
42:20
SPEAKER_01: What are those ones called?
42:20
SPEAKER_01: Those shorts.
42:21
SPEAKER_01: 45?
42:22
SPEAKER_01: 45s, yeah.
42:22
SPEAKER_01: The small ones.
42:23
SPEAKER_01: Just a single one, one time.
42:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
42:24
SPEAKER_01: There was a it's like four tracks on there, and it was like only that small exclusive.
42:29
SPEAKER_01: And every I was following this Brandy Carlisle fan page, and everyone was like, I can't find I found two of them up there, and I was like, Oh, so happy.
42:38
SPEAKER_01: Heck yeah.
42:38
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's cool to see like that kind of thing, like the collectible side of things, yeah.
42:43
SPEAKER_04: You know, picture discs are coming, you know, and stuff like that.
42:46
SPEAKER_04: So, yeah, dude, it's cool.
42:47
SPEAKER_04: It's a cool thing to see.
42:48
SPEAKER_04: But I know my dad's got endless 45s, just stacks and stacks.
42:52
SPEAKER_04: And I don't know if you know this.
42:54
SPEAKER_04: Back in the day, they used to have records on the back of cereal boxes too.
42:58
SPEAKER_00: I remember that.
42:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
43:00
SPEAKER_04: So he's got like stuff like that, and yeah, just random crap.
43:03
SPEAKER_04: And it's it's like going to a library anytime I go to my parents' place because I can just like check out, you know, just raid the closet while I'm there and stuff like that.
43:11
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, and then, like you said, like the sound of memories, hearing the sound of a dusty record.
43:17
SPEAKER_04: It takes you back, yeah.
43:18
SPEAKER_04: Like or even you hear songs now.
43:20
SPEAKER_04: Um, like for instance, one song from my family is Understanding by Bob Seeger.
43:26
SPEAKER_04: My dad's a big Bob Seeger fan.
43:28
SPEAKER_04: So I love Bob Seeger.
43:29
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, man.
43:30
SPEAKER_04: He's Michigander, so he's like, Yeah, that dude is a god up there.
43:33
SPEAKER_04: So he uh yeah, understanding would come on, and there would always be that specific spot where that would skip.
43:39
SPEAKER_04: So it was like we'd be you know sitting around the kitchen table and that record would be playing.
43:43
SPEAKER_04: My dad'd be like, Go get it.
43:45
SPEAKER_04: Like, so one of us had to whoever's closest to her, even get the record before.
43:48
SPEAKER_04: Then he got it on CD and didn't say anything and put it on.
43:51
SPEAKER_04: So he's like, Oh, you better go get it.
43:52
SPEAKER_04: And everybody goes and runs and grab himself, but even now you hear those songs, and that's a memory that's you know the whole
44:00
SPEAKER_01: Ratatouille effect when he bites into the exactly.
44:04
SPEAKER_01: I watched that movie the other night.
44:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
44:06
SPEAKER_01: So hungry afterwards.
44:09
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
44:10
SPEAKER_01: That's the exact feeling when I hear certain songs.
44:13
SPEAKER_01: It's like, whoa! And like, how do you not remember things?
44:17
SPEAKER_01: That's what I think.
44:18
SPEAKER_01: I was like, yeah, my girl and I were talking about that the other day.
44:20
SPEAKER_01: I was like, do you remember this?
44:22
SPEAKER_01: Do you remember this?
44:23
SPEAKER_01: What's the earliest memory you have?
44:25
SPEAKER_01: And they're just like, oh.
44:26
SPEAKER_01: I was like, well, when you hear a song, when you hear this, when you hear that.
44:29
SPEAKER_01: There's there's um so I I started working at this this place in Farmington, and it's like I'm I'm one of the oldest people there.
44:37
SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh god, everybody's in 22, maybe 23 on down.
44:43
SPEAKER_01: There's one guy that's like 27, but I don't relate to any of them.
44:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
44:49
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
44:51
SPEAKER_01: And like the music was playing, and all they l play is like Spanish Mexican rap.
44:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
44:58
SPEAKER_01: So it's like I'm just like, God, and keep in mind these are these are billigana people.
45:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
45:07
SPEAKER_01: And it's just like, oh gosh, come on.
45:10
SPEAKER_01: And they're just like all tattooed up, and they're just like, and then finally, yeah.
45:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
45:15
SPEAKER_01: They're just like, all right, let's play something else, and they put it on their playlist.
45:19
SPEAKER_01: Then they finally play a playlist that I like.
45:21
SPEAKER_01: Like some new metal shit, some corn, limp biscuit, rage.
45:25
SPEAKER_01: They were playing it, and it's like and right when it's about to hit, are you running?
45:32
SPEAKER_01: Skips.
45:32
SPEAKER_01: Like, uh, come on! Fallin away from me.
45:37
SPEAKER_01: Fallin' away from me.
45:40
unknown: What the fuck?
45:41
SPEAKER_01: You ruined my computer like.
45:43
SPEAKER_01: No, skip the song.
45:44
SPEAKER_00: No, I was like, how do you not vibe, bro?
45:46
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it should be that song, man.
45:49
SPEAKER_04: I don't want to run through a brick wall just hearing you sing it.
45:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and they're like playing.
45:53
SPEAKER_01: Like they played a system of down.
45:55
SPEAKER_01: I don't know which one they played.
45:57
SPEAKER_01: I was just like, ooh, I think it was um bounce, bounce, dun, bounce.
46:01
SPEAKER_01: I was up top separating stuff up on the second floor, and they had this big speaker, and I was playing when I went out on a day with the girls.
46:10
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, What the fuck?
46:17
SPEAKER_01: And that guy's like and then like dan.
46:23
SPEAKER_01: It's just one of those oh man.
46:25
SPEAKER_01: What the fuck?
46:26
SPEAKER_01: That's that's yeah, that's too far.
46:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and they just keep fucking playing.
46:30
SPEAKER_01: They're just like, nope, nope, nope.
46:32
SPEAKER_01: And they just play as long.
46:38
SPEAKER_04: I'm like, ah, it's it's interesting how, like, yeah, anymore.
46:42
SPEAKER_04: I've noticed it, you know, younger, I hate to say younger folks, because we're still relatively young.
46:48
SPEAKER_00: I'm young!
46:49
SPEAKER_04: We're young, stop it! We're still relatively young, but you know, their attention spans don't last for longer than eight seconds in most cases.
46:59
SPEAKER_04: So to get somebody to sit down and like, I don't know, maybe it's just because we grew up hearing music in a different way, too.
47:05
SPEAKER_04: We grew up with tangible music.
47:07
SPEAKER_04: So, like we were just talking about the smell of records, the feeling of getting a new CD and wrapping the taking the plastic off that motherfucker.
47:16
SPEAKER_04: Oh, I know, right?
47:17
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I how the you could probably see my teeth chipped as hell, just getting those open or tapes, you know.
47:24
SPEAKER_04: Yes, so it seems to mean a little bit.
47:27
SPEAKER_04: I wouldn't say means more to us, but it means differently to us, you know.
47:32
SPEAKER_04: Um, so I don't know.
47:34
SPEAKER_04: Growing up, my parents always instilled in us like to be able to listen to music, that's a blessing, but to be able to feel music, that's something completely different.
47:44
SPEAKER_04: Wow, I love that.
47:45
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and there's language to it also once you get going.
47:48
SPEAKER_04: So it I grew up with you know, deep seated love of just any music, you know.
47:54
SPEAKER_04: It's almost schizophrenic.
47:56
SPEAKER_04: You should probably hear my Spotify playlist on the way down here.
47:59
SPEAKER_04: It can vary, you know.
48:00
SPEAKER_04: It goes all over the place.
48:01
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and then growing up where we grew up, yeah.
48:04
SPEAKER_04: I mean, New Metal was huge here when it opened up.
48:07
SPEAKER_04: We grew up, I mean, on the reservation, you go to those country dances, yeah.
48:10
SPEAKER_04: I mean George Strait is everywhere, yeah.
48:12
SPEAKER_00: Still stuck with some George Strait.
48:15
SPEAKER_04: Oh, hell yeah.
48:15
SPEAKER_04: My mom hates George Strait, don't you?
48:17
SPEAKER_00: Really?
48:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she I don't know.
48:18
SPEAKER_04: I know of a lot, I know of a few.
48:20
SPEAKER_00: I don't like George Strait.
48:21
SPEAKER_04: I guess, you know, but I mean I could, you know.
48:23
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
48:24
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
48:24
SPEAKER_04: Well, we also grew up with a large Hispanic population as well, so I feel like that New Mexican vibe it's heavy, you know.
48:32
SPEAKER_04: And then playing growing up, being a musician, you learn to play, you know, yeah, CCR.
48:37
SPEAKER_04: I love CCR.
48:38
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and that's what a lot of them did, you know, and and that's very yeah.
48:42
SPEAKER_01: We we played some CCR in that band I was in with the system of a down.
48:46
SPEAKER_01: We threw some CCR in there.
48:47
SPEAKER_01: We covered it.
48:48
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, man.
48:49
SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's it's one of those, I mean, everybody's got to play uh Fortunate Sun at some point.
48:54
SPEAKER_04: We covered we there is a recording of us playing.
48:57
SPEAKER_04: I always tell people yeah, I always tell younger players too, like, trust the process.
49:00
SPEAKER_04: Because I mean, you don't ever know when that kind of tiny little things that you think are annoying when you're younger actually come back to help you later on.
49:07
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
49:07
SPEAKER_04: So, like, you know, even Hendrix had to play Mustang Sally every night.
49:11
SPEAKER_04: Oh, snap.
49:12
SPEAKER_04: You know, he played Wilson Pickett before he became, you know, the man.
49:16
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, yeah, and it's it's funny how things come around, go around.
49:20
SPEAKER_01: That was that's just like um Bon Scott from ACDC.
49:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he was in the Valentines.
49:25
SPEAKER_01: Have have you ever heard the Valentines?
49:27
SPEAKER_01: No, he's he was just like a backup singer, and they played that song.
49:30
SPEAKER_01: Um, What Do You Fill Me Up, But Babe?
49:35
SPEAKER_01: And he's just all light singing and he's all glittery like that.
49:38
SPEAKER_02: And he's just a background, but a baby, just a little bit.
49:42
SPEAKER_01: Which I really can't imagine because he was the most unkept man.
49:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, and then he was like really clean and smiling in the background, like how they're supposed to be way back before ACDC.
49:53
SPEAKER_04: Well, you see the videos of Brian Johnson, same thing.
49:55
SPEAKER_04: He was like in the more glam movement.
49:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he was in Jordi.
49:59
SPEAKER_01: His band was called Jordy.
50:00
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
50:01
SPEAKER_04: He had a completely different style to his voice.
50:03
SPEAKER_01: His voice was yeah, he was still amazing.
50:05
SPEAKER_01: He was he was singing clear.
50:08
SPEAKER_03: Oh, it was gone! Yeah, that was good.
50:14
SPEAKER_04: He made it work though.
50:15
SPEAKER_04: That was the whole fucking thing about it.
50:16
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
50:17
SPEAKER_04: Well, I mean, look at Dio.
50:18
SPEAKER_04: He was doo-wop before he was Dio, before Rivo.
50:22
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, you never know when those things come together.
50:26
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yep, definitely.
50:27
SPEAKER_04: I feel that, you know, listening to country music, you know, different other everybody has different styles of country music.
50:34
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
50:35
SPEAKER_04: You know, there's the old school guy.
50:37
SPEAKER_04: I was just about to say that.
50:39
SPEAKER_04: The old old Pierist, you know.
50:42
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
50:42
SPEAKER_04: But now I feel like we're kind of like old Pierce now, too, because I listen to like the new Luke Bryant and I want to hang myself.
50:47
SPEAKER_04: You know, I haven't heard the new Luke Bryant.
50:54
SPEAKER_04: But that's somebody's introduction to country music.
50:57
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
50:58
SPEAKER_04: So they're like, this is what country music is.
51:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
51:01
SPEAKER_00: Like, is it really?
51:04
SPEAKER_00: Is it?
51:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
51:05
SPEAKER_01: I I understand that, you know.
51:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
51:07
SPEAKER_01: Well, it's like it's like me with my movies when they say this is night, night of living dead.
51:12
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh, okay, I love this.
51:14
SPEAKER_01: Like, did you know that was a remake?
51:15
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, a remake?
51:16
SPEAKER_01: Here's the original, original.
51:18
SPEAKER_01: Oh, the 68 one.
51:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
51:20
SPEAKER_01: And it's like, what the heck?
51:21
SPEAKER_01: Whoa, this one's more cleaner.
51:23
SPEAKER_01: It's less gory.
51:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
51:25
SPEAKER_01: You know, and then you go like way back, and then you look at what what was introduced in like what 2009, 2000, the dawn of the dead.
51:32
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
51:33
SPEAKER_00: And it's like, I was like, holy shit, that's zombies.
51:37
SPEAKER_01: And then you go back to the very beginning when they were fleshy.
51:40
SPEAKER_01: They're just like, where the yeah, where the concept starts.
51:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
51:43
SPEAKER_01: And they're just like, it's scary in a different way, kind of thing.
51:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
51:46
SPEAKER_01: They're like, this isn't zombies.
51:47
SPEAKER_01: Just like they're good.
51:48
SPEAKER_01: This isn't country.
51:49
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
51:50
SPEAKER_04: Well, it's just funny because you mentioned like you're you got into Marilyn Manson in the first grade.
51:54
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
51:54
SPEAKER_04: Let's talk about jumping in the deep end there.
51:58
SPEAKER_04: Where do you go up from there?
52:00
SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
52:01
SPEAKER_01: Or down.
52:03
SPEAKER_01: Um, my I specifically remember sitting in the backseat of my mom's car because she had a one of those five-changing CD players in the back of her car.
52:11
SPEAKER_01: In the trunk, that's where you need to load the CDs up.
52:14
SPEAKER_01: But it had a little tiny wired remote going all the way to the front.
52:17
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
52:17
SPEAKER_01: And then I remember me and my brother Craig were sitting in the backseat, and then she got into the driver's seat and she's like, We're gonna listen to this new album.
52:25
SPEAKER_01: On this, on the CD, it says, Not for children, not for little children.
52:30
SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna let you listen to it.
52:33
SPEAKER_01: It's not for children, but I'm gonna let you listen to it.
52:36
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, okay, and then that intro to Hell Billy Deluxe.
52:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
52:39
SPEAKER_00: And that you know, we ran the children to hide under their beds for the fear that the devil will chop off their heads.
52:50
SPEAKER_00: And super beast comes on.
52:53
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh, what the fuck was that?
52:55
SPEAKER_01: And like going to anywhere with my older brother, anywhere.
53:00
SPEAKER_01: Uh Marilyn Manson was always in the CD player in my mom's car.
53:04
SPEAKER_01: So you would oh, and he was learning guitar.
53:07
SPEAKER_01: So he'd be playing The Beautiful People, and he'd be doing that strong.
53:14
SPEAKER_01: Right?
53:14
SPEAKER_01: Just going like that.
53:15
SPEAKER_01: I'm just that's stuck in my head.
53:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
53:17
SPEAKER_01: You know, a little kid, I'd be outside going, as an impression.
53:20
SPEAKER_01: I did the di-d.
53:21
SPEAKER_01: And I yeah, you don't even know what it is.
53:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
53:23
SPEAKER_04: I remember listening to it the first time being young and being like, This is this is Alice Cooper.
53:27
SPEAKER_04: This is like I mean, T Mu didn't exist at that time, but I didn't know it was kind of that feeling.
53:32
SPEAKER_04: It's like Timu, Alice Cooper.
53:33
SPEAKER_04: But yeah.
53:36
SPEAKER_04: Because I mean, growing up, when we did, it was like there was such a mythos around the guy, too.
53:40
SPEAKER_04: You heard every nasty story, the rib story.
53:43
SPEAKER_04: Every rib story that comes before like his his reputation precedes him, kind of thing.
53:49
SPEAKER_04: But then you listen to the music, and yeah, it's when I heard that story, I wasn't even surprised.
53:53
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, look at the guy and you're like, Well, it's like ew, why you know he did this?
53:58
SPEAKER_00: Like, well, yeah, it's like have you seen him?
54:00
SPEAKER_00: You know, you know what he looks like.
54:01
SPEAKER_01: Right, he doesn't always look the same.
54:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, oh yeah.
54:04
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I I knew who that was, and I was like in second grade in the music class, and uh there was a teacher named Mr.
54:12
SPEAKER_01: Walker, and I don't know why I wasn't singing because we're supposed to be singing in music class, a music choir.
54:19
SPEAKER_01: I was supposed to be singing in there.
54:21
SPEAKER_01: I was sitting next to this one girl named Nicole, and there was a kid next to me named I think his name was Jeremy, and there was a boy in front of me named Shane, and I wasn't singing, and the class teacher kept stopping, being like, We're not gonna continue until he starts to sing.
54:34
SPEAKER_01: And it was some stupid song called Nod Your Head, Nod, Nod, Nod Your Head, Nod Your Head today.
54:41
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, that's a stupid ass song.
54:43
SPEAKER_01: I didn't want to sing it.
54:44
SPEAKER_04: That's that's awful for them to like, nope, we're not gonna do it until he does it.
54:49
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no pressure.
54:50
SPEAKER_04: For real.
54:56
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, no, and then he stopped and he's all like, Well, do you have something better?
55:01
SPEAKER_01: What do you listen to?
55:02
SPEAKER_01: What do you do?
55:03
SPEAKER_01: Do you listen to music at home?
55:04
SPEAKER_01: I was like, I like I like Rob Zombie.
55:08
SPEAKER_01: I was a little second creator, the kid Shane next to me, Rob Zombie's the devil! You shouldn't listen to him.
55:14
SPEAKER_01: I was like, Oh god, even then, even a little second creator rolling his eyes, oh my god, shut the fuck up, you know?
55:22
SPEAKER_01: It's like uh shouldn't have said that, should not have said that, you know, and then going to school with um the Romstein shirt, you know how all their faces are all chewed up and they got the wires and everything going through all the way around like that.
55:36
SPEAKER_01: I was wearing my brother's shirt, and everyone was these little kids are just like, What the fuck is that?
55:42
SPEAKER_01: You know, they're just freaked out, and then I was causing a little disturbance, so they made me turn my shirt inside out.
55:48
SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
55:48
SPEAKER_04: And I was like, oh my god.
55:50
SPEAKER_04: As if that was gonna change anything.
55:54
SPEAKER_04: Do you need another water?
55:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, dude, I'll take one.
55:56
SPEAKER_01: Okay, I'm gonna grab it for you.
55:57
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna restart these cameras too.
55:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's uh it's pretty fun.
56:03
SPEAKER_01: The uh the neighborhood here is it's actually pretty.
56:06
SPEAKER_01: It's nice.
56:07
SPEAKER_01: I've lived here since 2021.
56:10
SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't really like it.
56:12
SPEAKER_01: You hear that car?
56:14
SPEAKER_01: You hear that every single day, but louder at fucking two in the morning.
56:18
SPEAKER_01: Oh that's the only thing I don't like it.
56:21
SPEAKER_01: Little little broccoli heads live next door.
56:24
SPEAKER_01: Good God.
56:26
SPEAKER_01: Like, oh like I don't I don't like like police cops a whole lot, but I will call the cops on those kids next door.
56:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was so peaceful because I think they only moved in like two years ago.
56:38
SPEAKER_01: And um the other night, not the other night, but like two weeks ago, we were uh my girl was here and we were chilling, watching movies, and then we were slowly going to sleep.
56:47
SPEAKER_01: Then like it's like maybe 2:30, maybe three in the morning.
56:51
SPEAKER_01: You just hear blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and I look outside and there's like five cars, maybe all challengers, and there's like a little little what are those things called, those little Hondas, and they're like um like an old school lawnmower.
57:12
SPEAKER_01: And they just took over that whole thing right there.
57:14
SPEAKER_01: That whole roundabout.
57:17
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, dude, I'm gonna call the cops.
57:20
SPEAKER_01: Fuck this.
57:21
SPEAKER_01: And I wasn't the only one that called the cops, apparently.
57:23
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
57:24
SPEAKER_01: And and I did, and um they all came discreetly, like no sirens, no nothing, just rolled up, and they all ran up there all at once.
57:33
SPEAKER_01: Everybody got arrested the night.
57:35
SPEAKER_01: Oh shit.
57:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they were doing donuts right up there, yeah, and then I guess they accidentally bumped each other's cars, and it was a mess, and they were wasted, and I was like, I was just about to say, how stupid you gotta be to just do that in the middle of a neighborhood.
57:49
SPEAKER_01: For real.
57:50
SPEAKER_01: There you go.
57:51
SPEAKER_01: That's what and I was all groggy and tired, and then like 10, 20 minutes later, seeing all the cops just roll up, and there's just red and blue everywhere outside.
57:59
SPEAKER_01: Satisfying, I'm sure.
58:01
SPEAKER_01: We were wide awake, we're like, oh shh, and we all slowly open, like, should we walk outside and take the trash out?
58:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
58:07
SPEAKER_01: 2:30.
58:08
SPEAKER_01: Oh, no, now that they're sweeping, the vacuum cleaner in the yard, little extension cable.
58:13
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, yeah.
58:15
SPEAKER_01: Just gotta sweep for the car.
58:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're all sitting there giggling about them.
58:19
SPEAKER_01: Shhh shh and the cops were walking around with their flashlights.
58:22
SPEAKER_01: Then we see just like five or six of them little swag fag, broccoli kids sitting there all cuffed, sitting on the sidewalk.
58:29
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, we should bust out the speaker and play that song.
58:33
SPEAKER_01: Ooh, chuck things are gonna be brighter, you know.
58:38
SPEAKER_00: I was like, fuck, we should play the perfect song.
58:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then put that speaker.
58:42
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, what?
58:42
SPEAKER_01: I'm just playing my music.
58:43
SPEAKER_01: They can rev their cars up that loud.
58:46
SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
58:47
SPEAKER_01: These boys are going away for a long time.
58:49
SPEAKER_01: Followed by don't drop the soap.
58:52
SPEAKER_01: My lady's like, nah, just till tomorrow.
58:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
58:55
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
58:55
SPEAKER_01: But Judge will be there tomorrow, though.
58:57
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I was just yeah, this is a good neighborhood.
59:00
SPEAKER_01: I love this place.
59:01
SPEAKER_01: It's really calm.
59:02
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes we get ice cream trucks here.
59:04
SPEAKER_01: It's just it's awesome.
59:06
SPEAKER_01: Heck yeah.
59:07
SPEAKER_04: Especially the ice cream trucks.
59:08
SPEAKER_04: You know what?
59:09
SPEAKER_04: They don't have those anywhere anymore, it seems, you know.
59:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's not really a truck, it's an ice cream van.
59:14
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
59:15
SPEAKER_01: And uh the lady who runs it is Asian.
59:17
SPEAKER_01: Oddly enough, less creepy.
59:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
59:19
SPEAKER_01: You don't got a big worm in there.
59:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but you know, she's Asian, and then she doesn't have a lot of what I wanted.
59:25
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, let me get that one.
59:27
SPEAKER_01: Uh she's looking at him.
59:28
SPEAKER_01: No, we don't have that one.
59:29
SPEAKER_01: Well, we don't I'll get that one.
59:30
SPEAKER_01: No.
59:30
SPEAKER_01: We have SpongeBob and Ninja Turtle.
59:33
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, God, I just want a regular ice cream.
59:35
SPEAKER_01: Let me get a pickle.
59:39
SPEAKER_00: Can I get my chili fritos?
59:41
SPEAKER_00: You know.
59:44
SPEAKER_04: The good ones were the ones that had the Lucas Lime salt.
59:46
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
59:47
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
59:48
SPEAKER_04: Kid crack.
59:49
SPEAKER_04: Yep.
59:50
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
59:51
SPEAKER_04: The forbidden snort.
59:55
SPEAKER_01: Uh so you got into uh where were we?
59:58
SPEAKER_01: We were talking about uh um old school Jenkins and all that and all this stuff.
1:00:04
SPEAKER_01: Um now you got Watch This World Burn.
1:00:07
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, metal project.
1:00:10
SPEAKER_04: It's yeah, it's been a lot of fun.
1:00:11
SPEAKER_04: We kind of just haphazardly put it together like at the beginning, very beginning of the year.
1:00:15
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
1:00:16
SPEAKER_04: Um Jeremiah, who plays with me in the flood, um he yeah, he wanted to take you know take a shot at metal.
1:00:24
SPEAKER_04: Um that's what I was thinking.
1:00:27
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he wasn't huge versed in metal, but he, you know, he's the fucking he's a fucking beast, so he just learned it, you know.
1:00:35
SPEAKER_04: And then um we'd he had met this kid Madden Harlan, you know, who's fucking love the kid, man.
1:00:41
SPEAKER_04: He's he's young and ambitious, and he's just like a little spark plug, you know.
1:00:46
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, um, he's so much fun and he's just a such a good human being.
1:00:49
SPEAKER_04: Um, so yeah, those two got together and started talking about wanting to get a project together, and then he knew a bass player, um, Phil Robinson Robertson, who plays for morbid justice, yeah, uh, who's an absolute beast on on guitar, also, and we needed a vocalist.
1:01:06
SPEAKER_04: We tried out a few people, just didn't sally didn't work, but we had Levi for Morbid Justice come down, and he's just the funniest son of a bitch ever, once you get him going.
1:01:17
SPEAKER_04: So he was just good company in general.
1:01:19
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, literally just got in the Sinister Studios up there in Dur in Durango, that's it, which is our family, which is our uh not family, but our uh rehearsal space.
1:01:29
SPEAKER_04: Um, and yeah, since then we've just been kind of plugging away, and it's been so much fun just writing metal music again.
1:01:36
SPEAKER_04: I've kind of been away from it for a long time.
1:01:38
SPEAKER_04: Did you play in metal bands before that?
1:01:39
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
1:01:40
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I grew up playing in uh I was in in my distress for years and years.
1:01:45
SPEAKER_04: After that, uh imploded the first time I we started ASIN, which was most of the members um from In My Distress, and then we had a different vocalist, uh, our boy T Pratt, who currently plays for What Consumes You and Yeah, that one just started.
1:02:01
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:02:02
SPEAKER_04: So it's funny because there's so many different musicians, and we're all you know, this guy plays in this band, this guy plays everybody just meets everybody, yeah.
1:02:10
SPEAKER_01: Definitely Jacob from he's the drummer of that too.
1:02:12
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, he's my buddy.
1:02:14
SPEAKER_04: I love that guy.
1:02:14
SPEAKER_01: Incredible incredible music.
1:02:16
SPEAKER_01: Him and Jessica, yeah, yeah, they're awesome.
1:02:18
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, good people.
1:02:19
SPEAKER_04: And so yeah, we I kind of cut my teeth playing in metal bands within my distress.
1:02:25
SPEAKER_04: And then Brian from NBA Entertainment, you know, helped us out a lot, yeah, getting gigs and such, and kind of turned us onto other things.
1:02:33
SPEAKER_04: And yeah, I love doing doing heavier stuff, even though my my musical background is such that like metal isn't even my metal playing is very jazzy.
1:02:45
SPEAKER_04: Really?
1:02:45
SPEAKER_04: It's very, yeah.
1:02:46
SPEAKER_04: I have a very unorthodox way of doing it.
1:02:48
SPEAKER_04: But you can mix those too.
1:02:50
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
1:02:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can mix them, you can make them feel definitely.
1:02:53
SPEAKER_04: It's yeah, my brain is nothing more than a fucking filing cabinet.
1:02:56
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:02:57
SPEAKER_04: So a lot of times when I play with people, it's emptying out that filing cabinet and throwing it on the floor and kind of picking stuff out.
1:03:02
SPEAKER_01: That's what the rev does too, didn't he?
1:03:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's almost easy.
1:03:06
SPEAKER_01: He's all playing that Latin beat.
1:03:09
SPEAKER_04: That was awesome.
1:03:10
SPEAKER_04: Double rides, man.
1:03:11
SPEAKER_04: He just add that in.
1:03:12
SPEAKER_04: Yep.
1:03:13
SPEAKER_04: He was man, when I discovered the rev in high school, that was the revelation, man.
1:03:17
SPEAKER_04: That that changed my playing.
1:03:19
SPEAKER_04: I'd been a pretty big dream theater fan.
1:03:22
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:03:22
SPEAKER_04: I knew who you know, Mike Portno Mike Portway and stuff like that.
1:03:26
SPEAKER_04: So when I heard him, it was like, oh my god, it's like combining all those things, you know.
1:03:30
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:03:30
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, my metal playing is not much different from what I do in other things, it's just contained a little differently.
1:03:39
SPEAKER_04: Um, and then yeah, I grew up playing in just punk and metal bands, you know, mostly out of necessity in high school because that's all my friends were into.
1:03:47
SPEAKER_04: Oh if you wanted to play music, that seemed to be the only thing going, you know, there's a big crowd for it around here.
1:03:53
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
1:03:53
SPEAKER_04: Um, so yeah, I was able to cut my teeth in that scene, and you know, I was kind of away from it for a long time though.
1:04:00
SPEAKER_04: You know, musical pursuits took me other directions, but it's so funny because I always make the joke that when I go to these metal shows, I give and receive more hugs than I do anywhere else.
1:04:11
SPEAKER_04: It's just that kind of community, it is, you know, and you see these old cats that you knew who were playing in other bands back then piecing together bands with other guys and stuff like that.
1:04:21
SPEAKER_01: So it's an awesome vibe there, it is, yeah.
1:04:23
SPEAKER_04: And it, you know, being as it's, you know, a lot of it's on the reservation.
1:04:28
SPEAKER_04: You know, the the metal scene here is, you know, there.
1:04:32
SPEAKER_01: It's going on right now.
1:04:33
SPEAKER_01: It's going on, yeah.
1:04:34
SPEAKER_04: Oh my god, man.
1:04:35
SPEAKER_04: What they're doing at the mod right now is incredible.
1:04:37
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and like those shows are just that growing and growing.
1:04:40
SPEAKER_04: The scene has always been here, they just needed the outlet, they just need the space, they just need the the somebody to plug them in.
1:04:48
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, and they're doing they've always been doing it, but what it's doing now is just a beautiful thing to see, man.
1:04:53
SPEAKER_04: I mean, you know that, you know, helping out in the in the scene and doing promotion for guys and stuff like that.
1:04:59
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's it's actually really interesting to see it now because there's guys like you doing what you're doing, podcast culture, videos.
1:05:07
SPEAKER_04: There's there's guys that are at every single show just to take photos.
1:05:10
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, amazing photos.
1:05:12
SPEAKER_04: They take good photos, yeah.
1:05:14
SPEAKER_04: And they're they're creating CK, um, yeah, uh uh Francis Post.
1:05:19
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so he's the sweetest human being ever.
1:05:22
SPEAKER_04: He is a really cool dude.
1:05:24
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and just to see them creating art with you know what they have, you know, that's that's literally like the best music it's made that way.
1:05:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
1:05:35
SPEAKER_04: You know, it's an overlooked corner of the world.
1:05:38
SPEAKER_01: And it's like it's like they're capturing history right now.
1:05:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:05:41
SPEAKER_01: Who knows?
1:05:42
SPEAKER_01: That might not even be around in how who how how many years?
1:05:45
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
1:05:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
1:05:46
SPEAKER_01: You never know.
1:05:47
SPEAKER_01: The scene was just blowing up at that time.
1:05:49
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:05:49
SPEAKER_01: Bands after bands.
1:05:50
SPEAKER_01: I was talking to to Justin the other day and at Walmart, and he was just like, There was it used to just be one day of Gadget Fest.
1:06:00
SPEAKER_01: they added another day and then they added Sunday and it's just like whoa and people were just trying to get on to the to the bill and just be on it you know yeah and there's so much so much talent just flowing right now.
1:06:12
SPEAKER_04: Yeah it's always but it's it's odd to say that because it it's always been there.
1:06:16
SPEAKER_04: It's just again to have that outlet again.
1:06:20
SPEAKER_04: It's yeah it's a beautiful thing to see.
1:06:22
SPEAKER_04: And then uh yeah so being back in that is it's you know it's good for the soul you know it really is getting back to your roots and I'm always a big proponent of the ideas of your roots must balance your branches.
1:06:36
SPEAKER_04: You get growing too much you know trying to build something new you're gonna come back down because you don't have no roots below you.
1:06:42
SPEAKER_04: Yeah you know get back to your to your beginnings why do you play what you play yeah you know um yeah just it's almost like rediscovering my love again you know for drums and stuff like that playing a way I didn't think I'd could play anymore you know because it's very physical you know so yeah it's it's tapping into a different you know a piece of me that's you know the 14 year old kid you know it's 20 years later but you know I can still do it you know how old are you right now I'm 35.
1:07:15
SPEAKER_00: Oh okay I'm 36.
1:07:16
SPEAKER_01: Oh we're the same yeah you get what I mean yeah yeah we we're we're not even that far away yeah cheers cheers Lohayan brother but yeah dude I know exactly what you're talking about but yeah that's going on right now the Gadge Fest I was just down there did a giveaway yeah uh the the girl who won uh I think her name was Summer I don't remember oh yeah but yeah she got the tickets and I was just like I should give them away because I I had I don't know I like going down there but I don't like the the whole fair rush and all that yeah I don't do the parade I don't do definitely I think that's one of my biggest personal contradictions is that I love playing for an audience I love you know having that vibe that energy yeah I can't be in a crowd of people anymore though the older I'm getting I'm I'm changing and morphy and then like I I generally can't you know I'm like oh am I really getting old no I'm not I just be here yeah yeah yeah yeah but like bigger crowds I'm like yeah yeah yeah when I start seeing everybody over there and everybody's like hey Ryan hey oh what's up hey and you know yeah you're like okay okay these are my people I know these guys you know everything but yeah going going to like concerts and shows uh my lady got us tickets for Wednesday 13 in Albuquerque oh nice we just went to um shit I don't even remember what it was called um at launchpad just last week with two girls that were there I don't even remember what they were called but we went there and um I was like I don't know who they because she bought the tickets for for somebody else for her and her buddy and uh I don't remember what the fuck the name was and I was like I don't know that band she was like well they dropped out and I don't have anybody to go with and I was like all right I'll go with you and I had a damn good time oh here they are they're called oh millionaires you know millionaires nah neither did I and she's like millionaires are two girls and I was like okay I was like uh and it sounds like a whole lot of lesbian rap I was like okay sure so uh she's like smell of chulli in that place was probably grinding I was like uh I go with you you know it's not my scene but I'll go I'll check it out yeah yeah respect the art and I went with her and I was like I haven't been to launch pad in I don't know how long so I'll go with you so we went and the openers were pretty fucking awesome they were uh I didn't expect that they were like live bands playing and everything and I was like okay cool cool and then they came on I was like are they live band too or are they just like DJ with microphones like DJ with microphones I was like oh okay but everybody that went in there they were just cheesing out and I was like cool you know like I can vibe with this right so but then when I was after a while I was like oh man it's getting late yeah it's okay like it's like yeah almost 10 o'clock on the gosh but she was having the time of her life that's worth it yeah yeah yeah definitely we went we went seen Avenged Sevenfold really uh you know back at the end of August oh wow in Denver yeah yeah yeah back at the end of August and I mean it's probably my billion time seeing them live they're one of my favorite bands so but it's interesting because going to see them the first few times they were in small theaters now they're selling out entire arenas so just just be in that it's amazing feeling but at the same time yeah you're just like by nine o'clock I'm like yeah yeah yeah I'm like uh just not feeling comfortable in this massive stadium anymore you know it becomes very small um but you know that's the second you get in front of people though and the lights go on and there's a job to do suddenly that shit don't matter so yeah that's you know I'm still luckily I have that you know yeah yeah um that's awesome did you get to see you saw I saw the rev live many times yep do you ever get to meet him no my sister got to meet Johnny Christ once oh wow yeah while I was waiting in line and holding a spot in the fucking door she went back yeah went to the back and was able to get you know damn bastard but um but yeah I never got to meet the rev but I got to see him a lot um before he passed I think February of oh nine is the last time I seen him and then he passed December of that year um but got this uh didn't get the scene with Portnoy which was sad got the same with LA Aaron LA was amazing drummer I saw them with Aaron.
1:11:50
SPEAKER_04: Yeah well yeah I saw them with Aaron but Brooks Walkerman man that guy's he's my favorite I feel that way too he's my favorite right now man he's yeah badass dude ripping so much shit from that guy right now I mean to be completely honest I wasn't a fan of Aaron I was like this guy doesn't fit in and I I think that's why he left too because he said he didn't feel like he fit in with those guys right I think he gets a he gets an unfair shake though seeing him live and seeing his abilities the record he's playing on didn't call for any of that yeah he had to play bare bones that's like their black album he had to play scaled down yeah he gets his you know he gets his flowers for that for sure but um yeah he was an amazing player though I thought you know yeah he could he could nail the red stuff yeah but yeah exactly I get what you mean the the whole like like um tail to the king was just A C D C beat you know yeah oh yeah definitely but it doesn't work in any other kind of beat yeah you know what I mean it had a solid beat which was cool and he did that you know yeah meat and potatoes he did his job but Brooks Walkerman man he's just he's an unreal man yeah when the stage came out because they surprise dropped that album in 2016 I didn't know it was coming out so of course when it dropped it was like massive for me you know man that feeling of listening to that album for the first time you know that just yeah it and I kind of feel that way with um the newest record too uh what life is but a dream yeah you get very excited for these records so when they come out you it's like you know remember in our apartment just like shutting everything off and like she's my now wife you know us just sitting and congratulations on that thank you yeah yeah appreciate you yeah thank you um but yeah we just turned that record on and listened to it from beginning to end didn't talk did nothing you know so that was you know I love musicians that can make you excited about that yeah yeah I think that's why I always loved the Venge Seven event seven gets a lot of hate yeah but um I have I had mixed feelings about it um about life is about a dream yeah but I was just like okay but then I started listening to it a lot it's not an easy read or easy listen at all it takes a few tries yeah from Tony Heartless I showed it to him a long time ago when it first came out and he's like uh I have to listen to it but I support it and they're doing something completely different which is cool and I was like okay and I think it was um Franklin from Under Exile said the same thing and it's just like yeah I listened to it and there's a few things I forgot what he said but he it was basically like give it a try you know yeah it doesn't grab you the first time but the more you dive in you know same with um uh alliance they said the same thing how do you feel about the new album I was like I gotta listen to it a few more times now I got a good feel for it yeah a good feel for it I remember when the nightmare album came out with the with the rev gone yeah and I was just I sat in the dark yeah with my my then partner and I sat on the bed I put a CD player it was dark I think it was a blue light that was on it was just in the dark in her room as I'm gonna sit here because I was I I literally cried yeah when the rev died I cried I was like what the fuck are they gonna do now?
1:15:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah what am I gonna do now yeah that's how I felt I had posters I had death bats I had everything and I I watched the DVD of the the all excess DVD yeah from front to back I watched the making the studio of the white album front to back and like God and then when he passed I remember telling my buddy Drake I was like oh that's so cool God they're the coolest dudes can you imagine if one died he's like why would you say that I was like I don't say that fucking year later one died God is that my fault that I do that and I was just so heartbroken and then I remember crying and then my then partner was like looking at me like why are you crying?
1:15:52
SPEAKER_04: I was like you don't get it oh man yeah that was that was dark times man I remember when that album came out I I threw a party that night yeah at my parents' house and uh yeah we it was like a I tried to make it like an album release party so that's what I just would play that album as we were drinking and playing beer pong yeah really and I mean no it's not like the most party album it's a very sad album very emotional album but I I remembered kind of doing the same thing is sitting on the front on the floor um with my boy Eric and listening to fiction God all the way through for the first actually sitting down and listening to it for the first time knowing what the story is which people don't know he wrote this song in its entirety wrote demos for it and then three days later kicked the bucket.
1:16:42
SPEAKER_04: Yeah so that was his nickname too yeah yeah yeah so he had like tattooed right here yeah yeah yeah so yeah to that's a like an odd memory to have but yeah it it's another one of those things those memories man that you hit hard yeah so yeah that was that was a when that album dropped man I remember just the just the sheer Mike Portnoy is playing that album yeah so for a guy like me man that's just ear candy save me is like one of my favorite songs too and like his his cymbal work everything like that man just there was a little clip before the album fully dropped and it was nightmare and then uh I was I remember I was in Shiprock hospital I don't know what I was done I was there for an appointment or something that might have been around the time I sliced my thumb open see it's all the way in half and then I remember sitting in the doctor's room and I was looking online I had a little blackberry blackberry days yeah and um I remember looking on I think it yeah I'm pretty sure it was Facebook at the time maybe it was MySpace shit I don't remember oh good old but yeah I remember clicking it like that and then it I was in the hospital area and then it just showed Mark uh Mike Portnoy sitting there and they're like you ready?
1:17:56
SPEAKER_01: Yep three two one goes and he's got a Kobe Bryant jersey on yes he's like ready he made that look so fun yeah I was like oh God and it said nightmare coming soon then I heard it on the radio and I thought like what it doesn't it didn't make sense to me because they blocked out the fucking your fucking they were just like your nightmare they're just quiet oh on 969 I was working at Chat and Chew and they were playing it on the radio.
1:18:35
SPEAKER_00: York Nightmare That doesn't make sense what the fuck that's stupid I was like I was kind of point of putting that out I was like it's it sounds cool but I don't like that part why did York nightmare and then I heard oh oh and then I was fucking vibing and I God I was so into that heck yeah man yeah City of Evil changed my life for sure.
1:18:59
SPEAKER_04: That takes me back to memory yeah yep same here that changed my life too yeah as a guitar player yeah oh yeah oh yeah for a guitar player I'm sure that probably there's so much overdubbing and all my fucking so over the top on that album but yeah that when that record came out I was already I mean or to that point I'd already been playing drums my whole life.
1:19:20
SPEAKER_04: Yeah and I didn't really delve too heavy in on double bass you know I did to a certain extent but I also didn't have a pedal at the time and everything like that.
1:19:29
SPEAKER_04: So but when I heard him play it just it scratched a musical itch for me.
1:19:34
SPEAKER_04: And as you said like they get a lot of hate so I I was an odd one out for a long time because I because I was obsessed with you know with that music and it just yeah it scratched that itch for me.
1:19:48
SPEAKER_04: And even now they're they're those types of artists that just put out just whatever they want.
1:19:53
SPEAKER_04: Like that's all you asked for a band you're a fan of you know do what the fuck you want.
1:19:58
SPEAKER_04: Yeah don't give a shit you know don't live up to to record executives nothing like that.
1:20:04
SPEAKER_04: They just literally put out whatever um I mean case in point look at they just put out this last year.
1:20:09
SPEAKER_04: I don't know if you like the statica I didn't like it.
1:20:12
SPEAKER_04: I like statica I can tell you that much I'll respect its artistry but it's not for me.
1:20:16
SPEAKER_01: I mean I listened to the statica song the actual part I like the main chorus of I was like okay I'm kind of going this to it makes me want to do the like the the thriller dance you know that's the kind of vibe it gives me I was like I was telling you somebody just left their electric toothbrush on.
1:20:39
SPEAKER_04: Yeah I I don't know I could I again I didn't vibe with it but I get it you know the only they're just one of those bands though they can do it and that's that's all you could ask for a band you're a fan of yeah they were like really skeptical on that whole auto tune with Lost.
1:20:52
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah yeah which I didn't understand the hate on that he used it as an effect yeah it's like using a wah the main song it was just like the background yeah yeah and I was like okay there's like people are gonna hate it and they didn't hate it.
1:21:07
SPEAKER_01: I don't think they hate it.
1:21:08
SPEAKER_04: I don't know who hates it but well and I mean you take a fucking curveball that is a little piece of heaven.
1:21:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah I mean that's I love that from day one.
1:21:16
SPEAKER_04: Yeah I love that song so fucking much.
1:21:18
SPEAKER_04: But I mean my parents though when I was 16 years old they didn't know what to think you know what happened there.
1:21:27
SPEAKER_04: No I just my parents are also the type that they are like they're not gonna dismiss whatever you're listening to per se.
1:21:35
SPEAKER_01: They'll give it a shot you know they're gonna have an opinion about it especially when their 16 year old kid comes in with you know a song about Renecrop and the umpa oompa bit a bit of it but yeah they they were they weren't dismissive yeah like they got it I don't mean my mom would go to a7x shows with us you know really so yeah yeah my mom my mom likes a lot of stuff too that I like she likes Avenged Sevenfold um she listened to some Wednesday 13 and um yeah like I said Marilyn Manson she had Marilyn Manson she had a hell Billy Deluxe shirt and she still goes to all these hip lady man yeah my and and like just last year uh my lady was freaking out because we all went to breakfast and my mom's all wearing a green day shirt and Green Day's my lady's favorite band.
1:22:21
SPEAKER_04: Heck yeah man goes like your mom's wearing a green day shirt I was like yeah she's like I love that that's so awesome I was like yeah I was actually just talking about Green Day the other day to a friend of mine because there's those albums that would come out when we were growing up and everybody had it American Idiot yeah everybody had that album when it came out uh uh System of Down is it hypnotize yeah when B I BYOB came out yeah that was uh mesmerized wasn't it yeah it was mesmerized yeah yeah yeah so I mean that's like all the jocks all the weirdos like us all the band kids all the theater kids all these clicks or whatever in school we all had that album it was a very even playing field you know yeah I remember my brother had that album he got it and we would jam it all the time and then when uh hypnotize came out the day it came out maybe it was the day it was released uh my buddy Drake my best friend right now he got it his mom got it and she made copies uh pirated copies for all of his friends was like I was one of his friends and he was like hey look like we were gall separated and getting on the bus and he ran back into school he all had blank discs here you go there's one's yours there's one's yours yes I grabbed I love you he's like get off me thank god for Limeyer yes yeah yeah and I was like I ran under the bus plugged in and I was like oh okay okay okay okay okay God and I just remember listening to it and he's like did you listen to it I was like I did I love that one song about bananas he's all banana banana banana terracotta I was like oh I love that oh god but System of Down that takes me from to freaking fourth grade I was listening to System of fourth uh 1998 album yeah uh with you know their the first album yeah the self-titled one right yeah fourth grade I just remember my being in my mom's car my older brother was driving we're going to his friend's house and you know what did he say um I sit my descent room no lights no music killed everyone and I just remember taking that to school my my lady jokes with me a lot she always tells me don't take it to school don't take it to school because every time my mom used to say that I'll let you watch South Park but don't be talking about it in school don't take it to school I'll let you listen to this album don't take it to school and my girl's always like don't be taken into school I'm like ah I like that expression I might try to use that yeah don't take your guns to town Billy yeah yeah and believe it would you believe it or not I took it to school I was gonna say yeah so that that CD got confiscated at some point I'm sure uh I never owned the CD I just listened to it a lot it was in my mom's car it was my brother's CD player the fourth grade the CD that I was owned was uh Americana uh offspring oh yeah yeah okay yeah I I borrowed someone's CD and I I lost it but I was always listening to pretty fly for a white guy and my friend's got a girlfriend then he hates that oh man that song takes me back yeah that music video too yeah made me hate mustard I remember yeah that was one of the first CDs that I actually got a hold of but when I when I was what CDs did you own when you were little oddly enough my first CD that I got to buy on my own was uh the Tarzan Tarzan soundtrack.
1:25:47
SPEAKER_01: Oh wow because Phil Collins he played drums and he wrote damn good songs I remember that I remember the preview for that and the Phil Collins one.
1:25:56
SPEAKER_04: Yeah yep I got uh let's see um the black album I mean that came out the year I was born so I mean it was that was my introduction to heavier stuff.
1:26:06
SPEAKER_04: Okay um for sure and but I mean I had so much music around the house it was yeah I it's funny because I always feel like I have a like a love relationship with different genres so I can if you pick out a genre I can be like oh this is what got me into that one or where my you know that lineage starts kind of thing.
1:26:26
SPEAKER_04: So yeah it's kind of hard to tell it's kind of hard to gauge like what was my first few CDs because they were fucking all over the place.
1:26:33
SPEAKER_04: And then my dad's collection on top of that which wasn't ours but I mean still yeah it was constantly there.
1:26:40
SPEAKER_04: I mean he had a like a 60 CD CD changer.
1:26:44
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
1:26:44
SPEAKER_04: And he would just throw shit in there.
1:26:46
SPEAKER_04: My mom did too.
1:26:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah so it would be deep purple machine head you know would come on Frampton comes alive Statler brothers oh hell yeah uh year of the cat cat or uh Al Stewart like yeah all that kind of stuff my mom had that too um we we all lived in one small house at one time and she had her CD player in the living room and it was just like that you know you could you there's a little window you could see all the discs changing like an old record oh yeah you can see them moving and there's a little yellow light and how it shine how CDs shine you know all different colors and um she would play that and then like a memory that takes me back to that moment was Phil Collins.
1:27:28
SPEAKER_01: You know he was in a band Genesis that song that song takes me back to being like three, four years old hearing that song and my mom's sitting there she has like the whole house is kind of dark and the sun's going down slowly and like she's sitting in front of her like her just a giant C D player.
1:27:56
SPEAKER_01: It had it had CDs, it had tapes it had radio And um she was sitting there and she's just going through her CD things, just playing music on her big old speakers.
1:28:06
SPEAKER_01: And that takes me back to that Genesis.
1:28:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:28:09
unknown: Okay.
1:28:12
SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh God.
1:28:13
SPEAKER_00: That takes me back.
1:28:15
SPEAKER_01: That and um uh what's that song called?
1:28:19
SPEAKER_01: Umbe I'll bring heart to me as fast as you oh god, yeah.
1:28:26
SPEAKER_04: Dwight Yokum.
1:28:27
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
1:28:28
SPEAKER_04: Dwight Yokum.
1:28:28
SPEAKER_04: That's what it was.
1:28:29
SPEAKER_04: I've had to play that damn song in every kind of any kind of fucking bar, country bar.
1:28:35
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:28:36
SPEAKER_04: Yep, that's one of those.
1:28:37
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:28:38
SPEAKER_04: That's right up there with like that, yep.
1:28:45
SPEAKER_04: Yep.
1:28:46
SPEAKER_04: That or it, that's like ah, what's another like Amarillo by morning.
1:28:50
SPEAKER_04: Amarilla by the staple of any any fucking bar band, you're gonna do it.
1:28:54
SPEAKER_04: Some drunk bitch is gonna be like, Can you play fucking simple man?
1:28:58
SPEAKER_04: Oh uh.
1:29:03
SPEAKER_04: Oh man.
1:29:05
SPEAKER_01: Turn it up, that's my song.
1:29:08
SPEAKER_01: Play brown eyes.
1:29:10
SPEAKER_04: I like it.
1:29:15
SPEAKER_04: Uh PTSD.
1:29:21
SPEAKER_04: That's awesome.
1:29:22
SPEAKER_01: Which bands did you play those in?
1:29:24
SPEAKER_04: I uh I did like cover work for a little while.
1:29:27
SPEAKER_04: I'll sit in with the breezen band from time to time.
1:29:30
SPEAKER_04: They're amazing fucking people.
1:29:31
SPEAKER_04: Uh I love them.
1:29:33
SPEAKER_04: Um, yeah, if their drummer can't make it, they'll ask me, you know, and I'll do a fill-in gig here and there.
1:29:38
SPEAKER_04: And then um, yeah, I did uh random gigs throughout like uh my early 20s, where it's just I'd pick up a gig anywhere I could.
1:29:46
SPEAKER_04: It would be a wedding band or a cover band or you know, Spanish country band, or you know, just any act, you know.
1:29:54
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:29:55
SPEAKER_04: Um piece together like a jazz fusion trio for a little while.
1:29:59
SPEAKER_04: Oh hell yeah.
1:30:00
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:30:00
SPEAKER_04: Um hit heavy on the blues for a little while.
1:30:03
SPEAKER_04: And yeah, it's just anything and everything I get my hands on, you know.
1:30:07
SPEAKER_04: And again, goes back to playing with as many people as you can, you know.
1:30:11
SPEAKER_04: You never know where that networking is gonna take you or those, you know, those lessons come in.
1:30:16
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:30:16
SPEAKER_04: I'm really analyzing that now as I'm getting older, you know.
1:30:20
SPEAKER_04: Um, how much that just going out and playing for the sake of playing, you know, yeah helps, you know.
1:30:26
SPEAKER_01: That's how I feel with open mic.
1:30:27
SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, um Efring.
1:30:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, Ease.
1:30:31
SPEAKER_01: Yep, ease, yeah, good.
1:30:33
SPEAKER_01: He's always he's trying to always do open mic as much as he can at Lock Street.
1:30:37
SPEAKER_04: He did it for Clancy's for a long time.
1:30:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's where I I think I met him at Clancy's.
1:30:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I met him at uh Andrea Christina's.
1:30:45
SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
1:30:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I remember that was those ones.
1:30:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
1:30:47
SPEAKER_01: That's where I met him.
1:30:48
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I met him, yeah, Clancy's.
1:30:50
SPEAKER_04: Um and Eric used to do that one.
1:30:53
SPEAKER_04: Kind of he did it, but Eric would jump in and help him and stuff like that.
1:30:57
SPEAKER_01: That's that's where I met Eric.
1:30:59
SPEAKER_01: That's where I met uh Thomas Hines.
1:31:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
1:31:02
SPEAKER_01: Oh man, love that guy.
1:31:03
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, he's another one.
1:31:04
SPEAKER_04: I I played in old dog tray for him for a little bit.
1:31:08
SPEAKER_04: Uh not very long.
1:31:09
SPEAKER_04: I think it was I joined them in a in a fill-in process.
1:31:13
SPEAKER_04: But man, they were so much fun to play with.
1:31:15
SPEAKER_01: He he was one of my first guests.
1:31:16
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you saw his episode.
1:31:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
1:31:18
SPEAKER_01: He did an amazing song.
1:31:20
SPEAKER_01: I used to do uh live sessions here, right?
1:31:23
SPEAKER_01: Just right there.
1:31:24
SPEAKER_01: Right?
1:31:24
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, Black Curtain.
1:31:25
SPEAKER_01: That's where the live session, that's where Eric performed, right there.
1:31:28
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
1:31:28
SPEAKER_01: And Thomas Hines and uh Burley, everybody played right there.
1:31:33
SPEAKER_03: Heck yeah.
1:31:33
SPEAKER_01: And I want to get back into those.
1:31:35
SPEAKER_01: Burley was the last one I did that with, but I wanna I want to get people back on to help me out.
1:31:39
SPEAKER_01: I want my girl to come over and you know, I'll show her the camera angles and how to do it all.
1:31:43
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I met uh Thomas out in Clancy's long time ago.
1:31:49
SPEAKER_01: And then he came in, he performed that one song, um Three Thousand Reasons, I think.
1:31:54
SPEAKER_01: And he's like, the song's not it's not released yet.
1:31:57
SPEAKER_01: I haven't done it, but I'm gonna perform it here.
1:31:59
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Oh, you heard it here first, and I got to record it for him, and he I we shot the video and it came out beautiful.
1:32:07
SPEAKER_01: It was a great song.
1:32:08
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, dude.
1:32:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and he he just got married, didn't we?
1:32:12
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I think he just got hitched, yeah.
1:32:13
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, good for him, man.
1:32:14
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, love, lovely soul, that guy, amazing, amazing poet, actually.
1:32:18
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, um, of course, you hear him performing his lyrics and stuff like that, but he's he writes poems too, you know, that are really good.
1:32:27
SPEAKER_04: Um, but yeah, super nice guy.
1:32:29
SPEAKER_04: I love that guy.
1:32:30
SPEAKER_01: His voice is so majestic on the microphone.
1:32:33
SPEAKER_01: Right, yeah.
1:32:33
SPEAKER_01: It's very deep, like I'm like, dude, you sound so legit.
1:32:38
SPEAKER_01: Like, what the fuck?
1:32:39
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's funny to play with him in the the context of being in a trio because we were like a bluesy trio, you know, and he was playing bass and singing, yeah.
1:32:49
SPEAKER_04: And then he had a guitar player that was had a very Hendrix-y kind of feel to his playing, so that was so much fun to jam in.
1:32:55
SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah, I was just a fill-in for that one though.
1:32:58
SPEAKER_04: Uh huh.
1:32:59
SPEAKER_04: But again, are you playing with other people?
1:33:01
SPEAKER_01: Man, it's yeah, and then you meet people and it's just like, oh man.
1:33:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I love that.
1:33:07
SPEAKER_01: That's so freaking cool.
1:33:08
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, good old Clancy's, though, man.
1:33:10
SPEAKER_04: Those those open mics used to be fun.
1:33:12
SPEAKER_01: He he was supposed to uh not Clancy, but um the owner of Clancy's was supposed to be on the podcast.
1:33:18
SPEAKER_01: Oh, really?
1:33:19
SPEAKER_01: This this podcast, not this episode, but yeah, back in 2022 or 2023.
1:33:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I reached out to him.
1:33:26
SPEAKER_01: He's like, Yeah, I'd love to be on there.
1:33:28
SPEAKER_01: Because you know, Clancy's burned down at one point, remember?
1:33:31
SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
1:33:32
SPEAKER_01: You're thinking along for a long ass time, and then like all the open mics happened there, then it burned down, and then they rebuilt it and they reopened and they came roaring back, and I was just like, wow.
1:33:43
SPEAKER_04: And listen to them, not only that, but they survived the fucking pandemic.
1:33:48
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean, not a lot of places did, and they were one of the first ones to hold outdoor concerts during that shit because they were just like set up in the parking lot, you know.
1:33:56
SPEAKER_04: They're the one of the first ones in the area, and I remember that causing such a stink, too, because it was you know how crazy things were at that time.
1:34:04
SPEAKER_04: It was like, can you, can't you, can we, should we, can't?
1:34:08
SPEAKER_04: You know, I hated that time.
1:34:09
SPEAKER_04: That was oh my god, it's crazy to think we lived through that.
1:34:14
SPEAKER_04: That's a story to tell.
1:34:18
SPEAKER_04: I remember being at the time, being like, oh man, this can be a great thing.
1:34:21
SPEAKER_04: Like, I remember making a long post like this can be a creative renaissance for us in a way.
1:34:25
SPEAKER_04: You know, life's gonna keep on doing what it's doing, you know, it's gotta grow, evolve, everything like that.
1:34:30
SPEAKER_04: And then I did nothing.
1:34:33
SPEAKER_04: I couldn't, I don't know, it just drained the fucking life out of me.
1:34:37
SPEAKER_04: And it was, yeah.
1:34:38
SPEAKER_01: I was um 2020.
1:34:41
SPEAKER_01: I I was working, I was the only person that was that showed up to work.
1:34:47
SPEAKER_01: Everyone else got fucking COVID.
1:34:49
SPEAKER_01: I was the only one that showed up to work and I fucking had COVID and I didn't know it.
1:34:53
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, everybody's just a bitch.
1:34:57
SPEAKER_01: Stolen up, and then um nope, I'm the only one here.
1:35:01
SPEAKER_01: And I was just like, I'm toughening it out, covering for all you bitches.
1:35:06
SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh, stupid cold.
1:35:07
SPEAKER_01: What are you talking about?
1:35:08
SPEAKER_01: And I had fucking COVID.
1:35:10
SPEAKER_01: I did not know it.
1:35:11
SPEAKER_01: I couldn't taste my food.
1:35:12
SPEAKER_01: I was all congested, I was weak, I was fatigued.
1:35:16
SPEAKER_04: I'm lucky I got at it.
1:35:17
SPEAKER_04: I I still got it like a year later, and it still fucked me up, but I didn't lose like my taste, my you know, taste or smell or anything.
1:35:24
SPEAKER_04: Thank God.
1:35:25
SPEAKER_04: A lot of people did though.
1:35:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but it's I didn't know I had it.
1:35:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, very true.
1:35:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I was the only one at work, everybody called off, and then finally all the bosses were like, everybody's off for the next two weeks, or they're going on furlough.
1:35:39
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, what the hell's a furlough?
1:35:41
SPEAKER_01: And that's when I learned what furlough was.
1:35:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:35:43
SPEAKER_01: And then when they sent me back to uh work, because you know, it takes like what seven days for it to go away.
1:35:49
SPEAKER_01: Seven, ten days.
1:35:49
SPEAKER_01: And then went away and I went to work every day.
1:35:52
SPEAKER_01: I was like, damn, everybody sucks, everybody called off, but then everybody went on furlough, and I was like, okay, and I was fine for the next furlough, 14 days of furlough.
1:36:00
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, okay, cool.
1:36:02
SPEAKER_01: And I was having fun.
1:36:03
SPEAKER_01: Then I saw social media that are like the breakup between relationships are at an all-time high because they're at home, they're stuck together, martial law, stay in your house, don't go out, you know, and they're stuck in the breakup between couples is at an all-time high.
1:36:19
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, look at all these fucking losers.
1:36:22
SPEAKER_04: I broke up that year.
1:36:24
SPEAKER_04: I I wasn't not that lucky to like be at home or anything.
1:36:27
SPEAKER_04: I kept working through that whole thing.
1:36:29
SPEAKER_04: I was working in a food truck.
1:36:31
unknown: Wow.
1:36:32
SPEAKER_04: Infinite barbecue food truck through that whole thing.
1:36:34
SPEAKER_04: I was general manager at that joint.
1:36:36
SPEAKER_04: Which one?
1:36:37
SPEAKER_04: Loved it.
1:36:39
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
1:36:40
SPEAKER_04: We brand both.
1:36:41
SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
1:36:41
SPEAKER_00: I always ate there.
1:36:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:36:42
SPEAKER_04: What the heck?
1:36:43
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
1:36:44
SPEAKER_04: I was general manager there towards the end.
1:36:45
SPEAKER_04: And um, yeah, David and Melissa Pierce are amazing people and the one by Lowe's.
1:36:50
SPEAKER_04: Amazing mentors.
1:36:50
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yep.
1:36:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they they I was in a really bad place whenever I got that job.
1:36:57
SPEAKER_04: And then they, yeah, I kind of rebuilt myself working there.
1:37:00
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:37:01
SPEAKER_04: I met my wife there.
1:37:02
SPEAKER_04: Oh wow.
1:37:02
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:37:03
SPEAKER_04: A week after I started, she did um became best friends, and yeah, the rest is history there.
1:37:07
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, they changed my life.
1:37:09
SPEAKER_04: That's fucking, yeah, love them dearly.
1:37:11
SPEAKER_04: And they uh yeah, we kept going during the pandemic.
1:37:15
SPEAKER_04: We had no choice, and a lot of it was like feeling it out like, can we do certain things?
1:37:21
SPEAKER_04: Can't we do certain things?
1:37:22
SPEAKER_04: Like, I don't think shutting down was ever in their plan either.
1:37:25
SPEAKER_04: Kudos to them, you know.
1:37:27
SPEAKER_04: Um, yeah, we kept working and kept staying busy and like trying to help the community best you can, you know, yeah, through it all.
1:37:35
SPEAKER_04: And it's it was such a crazy time.
1:37:37
SPEAKER_04: I think of that place.
1:37:38
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I was so good.
1:37:40
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, even now, I man, I learned so much shit there, especially like you know, learning how to barbecue.
1:37:48
SPEAKER_04: It's an art form, you know.
1:37:50
SPEAKER_04: It is, and I haven't done it since I left, and man, I miss it.
1:37:53
SPEAKER_04: Oh wow, I smell like that shit all the time.
1:37:58
SPEAKER_04: I yeah, but it was just in my pores after a while.
1:38:01
SPEAKER_04: But man, we yeah, love loved it, loved working there.
1:38:04
SPEAKER_01: I missed that place though.
1:38:05
SPEAKER_01: There was that um by Lowe's and then by Alanate.
1:38:09
SPEAKER_01: Yep, yep.
1:38:10
SPEAKER_01: I used to go there all the freaking time.
1:38:13
SPEAKER_01: It blew out spare rib, it blew out OGs.
1:38:16
SPEAKER_04: I was like, no, no.
1:38:18
SPEAKER_04: It's a lot of work, man, running a food truck.
1:38:20
SPEAKER_04: A lot of people think it's easier, but it's actually harder in a lot of ways.
1:38:22
SPEAKER_01: I tried to get somebody on here, which was that ran a food truck before they got out um Chavo Street Tacos.
1:38:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, oh yeah, they were on the black place.
1:38:30
SPEAKER_01: They were just right down the road right there on La Plata.
1:38:32
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, You guys want to do a podcast?
1:38:35
SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to get somebody on a food truck.
1:38:36
SPEAKER_01: And they're just like, Yeah, we'll do it, we'll do it.
1:38:38
SPEAKER_01: But hold on, just wait.
1:38:39
SPEAKER_01: We'll we'll get back to you.
1:38:40
SPEAKER_01: And they never got back to it.
1:38:42
SPEAKER_01: Like, fucked.
1:38:43
SPEAKER_01: Uh my old co-host Trista, um, I was telling her that I was like, we should get somebody with a food truck, with like food, and we should target a bunch of food, yeah.
1:38:52
SPEAKER_00: We should talk about their food and what's it like owning a food truck?
1:38:55
SPEAKER_00: And then she was like, I'd be so down for that.
1:38:57
SPEAKER_00: I love food.
1:38:58
SPEAKER_00: Well, we get to eat.
1:38:59
SPEAKER_00: I was like, Yeah, I'll buy it.
1:39:00
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, we'll support them.
1:39:02
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, they get end up getting their own building and everything.
1:39:05
SPEAKER_01: But that's awesome, though.
1:39:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, what what what was that like?
1:39:09
SPEAKER_01: It's a lot of work, yeah.
1:39:10
SPEAKER_04: It's a lot of work, man.
1:39:11
SPEAKER_04: We go in like 5 45, 6 in the morning and get things up and rolling.
1:39:16
SPEAKER_04: Oh man.
1:39:16
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the owners, man, they were just uh man, they worked so hard, they would just worked around the clock all the time, seven days a week, you know.
1:39:26
SPEAKER_04: Um, so yeah, it was it was it's awesome to see because like food truck you think would be easier, smaller space, all that kind of stuff, but it's not you don't have access to a water line in most cases.
1:39:37
SPEAKER_04: Electricity is hard to, you know, unless you get a power pole, which they did, and uh yeah, just the upkeep of a food truck is a lot harder than having a brick and mortar building, you know.
1:39:49
SPEAKER_01: Now that you say okay, I I I kind of it's like dawning on me.
1:39:52
SPEAKER_01: I never thought of that.
1:39:53
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
1:39:54
SPEAKER_04: The how you store your food, and then there's rules and regulations too you have to follow.
1:39:58
SPEAKER_01: Well, I only really thought about that for an ice cream truck.
1:40:01
SPEAKER_01: Like, how are you gonna power your your freezer?
1:40:04
SPEAKER_01: How are you gonna keep the ice cream cold while you're on the road?
1:40:06
SPEAKER_04: I'm like, okay.
1:40:07
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and then what if shit goes wrong?
1:40:09
SPEAKER_04: What if the batteries die?
1:40:10
SPEAKER_04: What if power goes out?
1:40:11
SPEAKER_04: What if your water line goes out?
1:40:12
SPEAKER_04: You know, there it was a lot of work, but man, it it got me, yeah.
1:40:17
SPEAKER_04: It got me into that next part of life for sure.
1:40:21
SPEAKER_04: Because it was like, yeah, it whipped you into shape, man.
1:40:24
SPEAKER_04: It's a lot of work, but man, it's so much fun.
1:40:26
SPEAKER_04: Food was really good.
1:40:27
SPEAKER_04: That was a more important thing.
1:40:29
SPEAKER_04: It was.
1:40:30
SPEAKER_04: Oh my gosh, we never had any when you're proud of what's going out that window, man.
1:40:34
SPEAKER_04: It has yeah, it's fun.
1:40:36
SPEAKER_01: I never had any bad reviews about that place.
1:40:38
SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, we used to go over there all the time at Lowe's.
1:40:42
SPEAKER_01: So we worked out in Crouch Mesa.
1:40:43
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
1:40:44
SPEAKER_01: We would drive all the way down.
1:40:45
SPEAKER_01: CM baby.
1:40:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, infinite.
1:40:47
SPEAKER_01: Let's go over there.
1:40:48
SPEAKER_01: Come on.
1:40:48
SPEAKER_01: Heck yeah.
1:40:49
SPEAKER_04: Ah, yeah, miss that place, man.
1:40:51
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, that was a good job.
1:40:52
SPEAKER_01: It is that the same trailer that's down there by Illinois?
1:40:56
SPEAKER_01: They just repainted it?
1:40:57
SPEAKER_01: No, I don't know what they're something completely different.
1:41:00
SPEAKER_01: I remember them selling that trailer.
1:41:02
SPEAKER_01: I remember seeing it on marketplace.
1:41:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:41:04
SPEAKER_01: I was just like, What?
1:41:05
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, but we they had opened up a location in Los Alamos.
1:41:09
SPEAKER_04: Um really?
1:41:10
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:41:11
SPEAKER_01: Under the same name?
1:41:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:41:12
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
1:41:12
SPEAKER_04: They opened up a place inside of the Smith store there, and then they were in talks for a long time of getting like their dry rub products in the store and everything like that.
1:41:24
SPEAKER_04: So that was kind of kind of like a like a to try it out to see if it worked.
1:41:30
SPEAKER_04: And it did, but then the pandemic happened.
1:41:32
SPEAKER_04: It's hard to get employees, yeah.
1:41:33
SPEAKER_04: You know, and then it's kind of a closed-off community, Los Alamos.
1:41:36
SPEAKER_04: It's a freaky little joint.
1:41:38
SPEAKER_04: So, like, I remember working there once and seeing all the lights doing this.
1:41:42
SPEAKER_04: Whoa, I'm like looking around and like, yeah, Dave is just like, oh yeah, it's the labs, they're doing something.
1:41:49
SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, that's just fucking normal.
1:41:52
SPEAKER_04: The labs?
1:41:53
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, it's just weird.
1:41:54
SPEAKER_04: It was a weird place, but yeah, they had that going, and the rightfully they were like, it was time to let it go, or not let it go, but they I think they just decided to call it good and retire, and they're living in Texas currently, I believe.
1:42:08
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, such beautiful people, and they did so much for the community, too.
1:42:12
SPEAKER_04: They did, they did a lot of work for the community, so yeah.
1:42:16
SPEAKER_04: Um, that was and it was great, great networking, too, actually, to be able, you know, you cater people's things and you get to know people around here.
1:42:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, get your regulars, yeah.
1:42:26
SPEAKER_04: And then people from this yeah, and then I see people from the scene coming card, yeah, hell yeah.
1:42:31
SPEAKER_04: Punch cards cards, yeah, dude.
1:42:33
SPEAKER_04: I'm like, oh hell yeah, right here, yeah, every single time.
1:42:38
SPEAKER_04: Hell yeah.
1:42:39
SPEAKER_04: Yep, I miss those days.
1:42:40
SPEAKER_04: So it was a lot of work, but totally worth it.
1:42:43
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, uh yeah.
1:42:49
SPEAKER_01: Now I'm hungry.
1:42:50
SPEAKER_01: I know.
1:42:50
SPEAKER_01: That's what I was kind of thinking too.
1:42:52
SPEAKER_01: I didn't oh well, I had that bag of chips.
1:42:54
SPEAKER_01: I went down to uh Gotcha Fest and I ran into Shadow Child real quick.
1:42:57
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
1:42:57
SPEAKER_01: We had a little chit-chat, and I was just like, Oh yeah, get me some chips.
1:43:00
SPEAKER_01: I got this.
1:43:01
SPEAKER_01: I'm podcasting.
1:43:02
SPEAKER_01: I gotta take off.
1:43:03
SPEAKER_01: Took off really quick.
1:43:04
SPEAKER_01: And that's so that's pretty much all.
1:43:05
SPEAKER_01: I had the dinner this morning.
1:43:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, pretty much.
1:43:10
SPEAKER_01: So, um, what was I gonna ask you?
1:43:12
SPEAKER_01: Oh, have have you have you been around anywhere with your bands?
1:43:16
SPEAKER_01: Like toured anywhere or gone to different states, yeah.
1:43:20
SPEAKER_04: In my distress was able to do a lot of like playing out and everything like that after that ended.
1:43:26
SPEAKER_04: Reverend Catfish, too.
1:43:27
SPEAKER_04: We were starting to get we actually got a pretty good following doing what we were doing.
1:43:31
SPEAKER_04: We were pretty we played the a lot of the biker rally stuff, so found our niche there, and we were a hard partying band on top of that.
1:43:39
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
1:43:40
SPEAKER_04: We we were able to get a good, really good following and be able to go play some really cool places.
1:43:44
SPEAKER_04: The flood, um, we were able to go travel uh in the Midwest and do if some shows, uh Iowa and and um Nebraska.
1:43:54
SPEAKER_04: Oh wow, which was a lot of fun, like yeah, we just took off for well the community like there.
1:43:59
SPEAKER_04: Beautiful, really, yeah.
1:44:01
SPEAKER_04: Well, it's uh very where at least where we were staying, it was very is the college is just right there, so it was very artsy kind of college-like um place.
1:44:10
SPEAKER_04: But yeah, I even tell people now, like, dude, Omaha, Nebraska, it's a beautiful place.
1:44:16
SPEAKER_04: People are all really nice, it's really clean, like there's tons of stuff to do, actually.
1:44:20
SPEAKER_04: In Nebraska?
1:44:20
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
1:44:21
SPEAKER_04: It's got a small town feel still, but it's still a larger city, so we had fun there.
1:44:25
SPEAKER_01: You know that that show, uh the Big Bang Theory?
1:44:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:44:28
SPEAKER_01: Uh Penny.
1:44:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:44:29
SPEAKER_01: And they're just like, What did you do?
1:44:32
SPEAKER_01: You were drinking when you were in high school?
1:44:34
SPEAKER_01: Well, I grew up in Nebraska.
1:44:35
SPEAKER_01: What do you think?
1:44:36
SPEAKER_01: It's like, what?
1:44:37
SPEAKER_01: So when I think about that, I'm like, I was pleasantly surprised.
1:44:40
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:44:40
SPEAKER_04: It really was.
1:44:41
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:44:41
SPEAKER_04: I was expecting like just cornfields and shit, but no, it was it was a lot of fun.
1:44:45
SPEAKER_04: But which is funny about that, because the next place we played in that area was uh it literally out in the cornfields of Iowa.
1:44:51
SPEAKER_04: Oh, shit.
1:44:52
SPEAKER_04: There was a festival that we got booked for, so that was a lot of fun.
1:44:55
SPEAKER_04: But man, playing in the humidity is a whole lot different than here.
1:44:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:44:58
SPEAKER_04: And so, yeah.
1:44:59
SPEAKER_04: Is it really humid out there?
1:45:01
SPEAKER_04: So humid in certain times of the year, yeah.
1:45:03
SPEAKER_04: End of the hot August, I think, is when we played there like a few years back.
1:45:07
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, man, that was fucking hot.
1:45:08
SPEAKER_04: Good god, it was hot.
1:45:10
SPEAKER_04: And then um, yeah, I've been able to do fill-in work and such.
1:45:15
SPEAKER_04: Um, we did like a random trip out to Kingman, Arizona once for a country band.
1:45:21
SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah, Arizona's gonna fuck you up.
1:45:24
SPEAKER_04: Oh, always, and Phoenix and all that kind of Texas.
1:45:27
SPEAKER_04: Have you ever played in Texas?
1:45:28
SPEAKER_04: Have you been to Texas?
1:45:29
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, I've been to Texas plenty of times.
1:45:30
SPEAKER_04: Never gotten to play there yet.
1:45:33
SPEAKER_04: It's a whole nother animal.
1:45:34
SPEAKER_04: But depending on which Texas you're talking about.
1:45:37
SPEAKER_01: Uh I have been to Irving, I've been to Houston, I've been to Dallas.
1:45:46
SPEAKER_01: Those three.
1:45:47
SPEAKER_01: Oh, uh I think it's called Schneider, Texas.
1:45:50
SPEAKER_01: I've been around there, yeah.
1:45:51
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:45:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I've spent some time in Lubbock and Austin.
1:45:55
SPEAKER_04: I had some good good friends uh live in Austin for a while, so I was able to.
1:46:00
SPEAKER_04: That's a whole nother ball game, you know.
1:46:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think I've been a little outside of Austin too.
1:46:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, I have in uh what's that town called?
1:46:07
SPEAKER_01: Bathrop.
1:46:08
SPEAKER_01: It's a little outside of Austin.
1:46:09
SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:46:10
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, I I did a trip down there once to try to find I took my drum kit down, like trying to, you know, find work while I was there.
1:46:18
SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna be staying there for a little while.
1:46:19
SPEAKER_04: And I was just hammered drunk the entire time.
1:46:22
SPEAKER_04: I I yeah, I I think everyone was really worried about that trip because I was like, yeah, I went down there.
1:46:29
SPEAKER_04: I was like, I'm probably gonna come home in a body bag.
1:46:32
SPEAKER_04: No, no, that was my that was one of my last big hoo-rahs before I I stopped that shit.
1:46:37
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, but yeah, it's that place is a vibe, man.
1:46:41
SPEAKER_01: It's something something completely different.
1:46:44
SPEAKER_04: Yep, oh yeah, and from block to block.
1:46:47
SPEAKER_04: It's not just one type of vibe, it's literally you can watch walk 20 feet and it can be completely different.
1:46:53
SPEAKER_01: Wow, where's that again?
1:46:54
SPEAKER_04: In Austin.
1:46:55
SPEAKER_01: In Austin, okay.
1:46:57
SPEAKER_01: I didn't really get to explore Austin, but we were right outside of there, and that's when we went to Bass Drop.
1:47:02
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, yeah.
1:47:03
SPEAKER_04: Explored a lot of the bars there, but that was it.
1:47:07
SPEAKER_04: But yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:47:08
SPEAKER_04: Um but I love Colorado.
1:47:11
SPEAKER_04: We've been able to do some cool shit around Colorado.
1:47:14
SPEAKER_04: Um and you know, living there now, um you know, the scene in Durango as well as starting to, you know, it it's it's an odd amalgamation of people because it's nobody's from Durango anymore.
1:47:28
SPEAKER_04: It's very much a transient town, it's become tourist and rich folk, yeah.
1:47:32
SPEAKER_04: More affluent and stuff, but it breeds some cool music taste, you know.
1:47:38
SPEAKER_04: I'm not a I'm not big on on um what are they called?
1:47:42
SPEAKER_04: Like bluegrass and stuff like there, but like it's cool to see, you know?
1:47:46
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's just just people jamming.
1:47:48
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, definitely.
1:47:50
SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
1:47:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh that's crazy that you say that because it's like that that's uh I was about to go over there just to go check out some of the music and the nightlife there, but or like open mics, because I I used well, I thought now they would still be hosting all kinds of music stuff.
1:48:08
SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
1:48:09
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's there, it's around.
1:48:10
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, around.
1:48:11
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's yeah, it's interesting because even now we'll play, you know, you go to the hive, which is absolutely beautiful.
1:48:20
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, their new their new building is absolutely perfect, like I think for them.
1:48:25
SPEAKER_04: They're still able to have their indoor skate really stuff, and yeah, still run the same programs they were using, you know, doing before it, but the stage area they put a little more emphasis on that.
1:48:35
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, it's a beautiful place.
1:48:37
SPEAKER_04: So to see that scene blowing up, and then they're taking bands from out here in like in Shiprock and they're pick picking them up there.
1:48:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, a lot of the good vibe.
1:48:45
SPEAKER_01: I've played there, uh I've played the the old hive, not the new but yeah, down in the skate bowl.
1:48:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there was no stage, yeah.
1:48:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've played there uh 2023-ish.
1:48:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
1:48:57
SPEAKER_01: That was always a good vibe.
1:48:58
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
1:48:59
SPEAKER_04: But then yeah, the new one is yeah, it's so much fun in there.
1:49:01
SPEAKER_04: We played there a few weeks ago, actually, with Flesh Flesh Weavers.
1:49:04
SPEAKER_04: Yes, yeah.
1:49:06
SPEAKER_04: Um, I can't recall the other bands that were playing, but they were they were from Albuquerque and they were fucking incredible, you know.
1:49:12
SPEAKER_04: And so, yeah, it's it's cool to see like things from here making it up there because I feel like these guys need more recognition here.
1:49:22
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, um, and so they're they're able to get out and play somewhere new, you know, but it's still very welcoming, so it feels familiar to them, I hope, you know.
1:49:30
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, because the mod is you know, it's the mod's getting out now.
1:49:34
SPEAKER_04: It's the home base now.
1:49:35
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it is, and it's a place to be kind of like what top deck used to be.
1:49:39
SPEAKER_04: Oh god, top deck.
1:49:40
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I played some fun shows in top deck, man.
1:49:44
SPEAKER_01: That wasn't really my scene, top deck.
1:49:46
SPEAKER_01: Um uh Gators.
1:49:49
SPEAKER_01: Do you remember Gators?
1:49:49
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
1:49:50
SPEAKER_01: Gators was my area, that's where I hung out a lot at Gators.
1:49:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, being like 18, they closed down not too long but after that.
1:49:57
SPEAKER_01: But right, you know, uh top.
1:50:00
SPEAKER_01: Top deck, I've only been in there like twice.
1:50:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:50:03
SPEAKER_01: Oh really?
1:50:04
SPEAKER_04: Oh sure.
1:50:05
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:50:06
SPEAKER_04: Uh Brian from MB.
1:50:08
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, MB.
1:50:08
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:50:09
SPEAKER_04: When he was running shows there, man.
1:50:11
SPEAKER_04: He would do the the metal festivals and stuff there.
1:50:14
SPEAKER_04: And it's so funny to like think about like those festivals then and then seeing it what it is now.
1:50:19
SPEAKER_04: And it's like a lot of the same guys.
1:50:20
SPEAKER_04: So like, but they're all in different, you know, generations and stuff like that.
1:50:25
SPEAKER_04: It's yeah.
1:50:28
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
1:50:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:50:29
SPEAKER_04: This is uh curly, what's his ass?
1:50:32
SPEAKER_01: Um Billy.
1:50:34
SPEAKER_01: Billy.
1:50:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:50:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
1:50:36
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, dude.
1:50:37
SPEAKER_04: He's just been at it forever.
1:50:38
SPEAKER_04: He's always done.
1:50:39
SPEAKER_04: He has.
1:50:40
SPEAKER_01: I remember being like 2006.
1:50:43
SPEAKER_01: They had this show in Shiprock called Rock the Ship, and he was there.
1:50:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:50:47
SPEAKER_01: And he does country stuff too, I think.
1:50:49
SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
1:50:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:50:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:50:50
SPEAKER_01: I I ran into him in like 2020.
1:50:53
SPEAKER_01: No, actually, no.
1:50:54
SPEAKER_01: Maybe 2020.
1:50:56
SPEAKER_01: Maybe no.
1:50:57
SPEAKER_01: It's gotta be later than that.
1:50:58
SPEAKER_01: Maybe like 2018.
1:50:59
SPEAKER_01: And I no! Oh my gosh, what am I thinking?
1:51:02
SPEAKER_01: It's like 2021.
1:51:03
SPEAKER_01: Because I I had bought a Sinister Gates guitar.
1:51:06
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
1:51:06
SPEAKER_01: A uh Red Rum.
1:51:08
SPEAKER_01: That's the red version.
1:51:08
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, yeah.
1:51:09
SPEAKER_01: I bought one of those.
1:51:10
SPEAKER_01: And then I don't know.
1:51:12
SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's why.
1:51:13
SPEAKER_01: I lived in my car for like seven months.
1:51:16
SPEAKER_01: And every now and then, as a treat, I would stay at a hotel.
1:51:20
SPEAKER_01: So I had that guitar.
1:51:23
SPEAKER_01: And then I would stay in a hotel.
1:51:24
SPEAKER_01: And I was remembering I was checking out of the hotel, I was walking in my car, and I just heard, hey, killer X, man.
1:51:29
SPEAKER_01: And I looked back and it was Billy.
1:51:30
SPEAKER_00: I was like, hey, hey, hey, I know you.
1:51:33
SPEAKER_01: I should have taken a picture with him.
1:51:35
SPEAKER_01: That would have been so dope.
1:51:36
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, yeah.
1:51:37
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:51:37
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:51:37
SPEAKER_04: Anytime we did like an opening gig for him and we're, you know, in high school, you know, and stuff, he would always make a point to come and like talk to uh, you know, felt like famous after that.
1:51:47
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:51:47
SPEAKER_04: It's like, dude, yeah, he said we were good, you know.
1:51:50
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he's just been doing it forever, man.
1:51:52
SPEAKER_01: His band was always killing it.
1:51:55
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
1:51:56
SPEAKER_04: And then yeah, there's all those bands like that.
1:51:58
SPEAKER_04: Like a morbid is one of those for me.
1:52:00
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:52:02
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:52:03
SPEAKER_04: Um getting the opportunity to play with them is actually gonna be a lot of fun, you know.
1:52:07
SPEAKER_04: Just from a fan's point of view, you know.
1:52:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:52:11
SPEAKER_01: I was I was really cheezing out on uh Mark Curley's episode about um him playing with the horny toads.
1:52:18
SPEAKER_01: Do you remember the horny toads?
1:52:19
SPEAKER_00: I remember, yeah, that was not very high.
1:52:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I remember Mark when we were in high school.
1:52:27
SPEAKER_04: Really?
1:52:28
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, he would walk around with a dime.
1:52:30
SPEAKER_04: Um Bagdarrell washburn, I think it was.
1:52:33
SPEAKER_04: And he had a little practice amp.
1:52:35
SPEAKER_04: But I remember I didn't really talk to Mark very much in high school.
1:52:38
SPEAKER_04: Um, we were just random with different crowds, but I always knew he was like a fucking cool ass dude.
1:52:43
SPEAKER_04: Because I remember he had a I don't know if it was a patch or something, but he had the Randy Rhodes tribute patch of Ozzy holding Randy up.
1:52:50
SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
1:52:51
SPEAKER_01: I was like tribute, yeah.
1:52:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:52:53
SPEAKER_04: That's how you know you're my kind of person, kind of thing.
1:52:56
SPEAKER_04: And but I didn't really talk to Mark until we got out of high school, and then oh and behold, he's a fucking amazing goddamn drummer, too.
1:53:04
SPEAKER_04: Like guy pick up everything and just be good at it.
1:53:07
SPEAKER_04: So, but yeah, kudos to him, man.
1:53:09
SPEAKER_04: Him, him and uh Derek Joe are Soul Tone brothers with me, man.
1:53:13
SPEAKER_00: Yes, hey, you're a Soul Tone too.
1:53:15
SPEAKER_04: I remember since 2019.
1:53:18
SPEAKER_01: Dude, tell me about that.
1:53:19
SPEAKER_00: What the fuck?
1:53:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you you just how did you get on to it?
1:53:22
SPEAKER_01: How did you discover it, bro?
1:53:24
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I think it's just social media.
1:53:26
SPEAKER_04: Um, they yeah, well, they the way they do it.
1:53:29
SPEAKER_04: I mean, there's a lot of companies that do that now where you sign on with them and they make you a good product and they put your name on it, you know, kind of thing.
1:53:36
SPEAKER_04: And it was yeah, very intriguing.
1:53:38
SPEAKER_04: But then I I got to meet or at least talk to like the rep.
1:53:42
SPEAKER_04: Um I think uh Yannick was his name.
1:53:47
SPEAKER_04: And then I had another guy after that, and like to be able to sit and just talk symbols, you know, with somebody and just let them know like what you want, like what's the sound in your head, um, and them kind of helping you navigate, you know, what they have and what they build and all that kind of stuff.
1:54:03
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, I once I sign on with them, I the set that I'm still playing on.
1:54:08
SPEAKER_04: Luckily, the Abby series is you know, they're the more like in a pack kind of thing, yeah.
1:54:15
SPEAKER_04: But still the quality and the craftsmanship on it is perfect, you know.
1:54:19
SPEAKER_04: And of course they stamp your name on it and they help you out once you're on their label, you know, which is a cool thing to do.
1:54:25
SPEAKER_04: Wow, it's a genius idea, actually, if you think about it.
1:54:28
SPEAKER_04: Um, so yeah, but they make great products, and I'm very happy and proud to be on that roster, man.
1:54:33
SPEAKER_04: Cause I mean, you got guys like D Joe on there, yeah, you know, the guys that they're good friends, but they're guys I also look up to, you know.
1:54:43
SPEAKER_04: They're they're very much heroes, also.
1:54:45
SPEAKER_04: So it's like, fuck yeah, dude, I'm on the same roster as those guys.
1:54:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're up there, dude.
1:54:49
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, it's cool, it's a cool feeling.
1:54:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and um, but yeah, I and then I gotta actually place an order for more shit because I'm starting to um you had their symbols for since when?
1:55:02
SPEAKER_01: 2019.
1:55:03
SPEAKER_01: 2019.
1:55:04
SPEAKER_04: Yep.
1:55:04
SPEAKER_01: Is this the same set you you ordered?
1:55:06
SPEAKER_04: I'm playing for the most part, and then since then I've um they had developed a prototype um for these symbols that were pretty much unlathed.
1:55:15
SPEAKER_04: They're they're if you know symbol work, they'd you know, do lathing to shine it up and change the sound and such.
1:55:22
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, these were very raw, they're almost, you know, they have a patina to them.
1:55:28
SPEAKER_04: Actually, if I I have them in my car right now, if I was to show you, they're fucking disgusting.
1:55:32
SPEAKER_04: But I I don't want to clean them because they're just like the you know, fuck it.
1:55:36
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but I love them because they're just so dark and trashy and yeah, they're supposed to be built as a stack.
1:55:45
SPEAKER_04: Um, and it sounds cool like that, but I broke it apart and I actually use them both on my kit.
1:55:49
SPEAKER_04: Oh wow.
1:55:50
SPEAKER_04: Just because I just they bring a quality that you're not gonna hear on any other type, you know.
1:55:55
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, especially for like a good price, you know.
1:55:58
SPEAKER_04: You get what you pay for anymore, you know, with drum equipment, guitar equipment, anything.
1:56:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:56:03
SPEAKER_04: Um, so yeah, great product.
1:56:06
SPEAKER_04: I'm happy to be on that on the board.
1:56:08
SPEAKER_04: That's fucking awesome.
1:56:09
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but yeah, they uh they uh they fill any need I need, you know, if I'm playing in a country band or if I'm playing whatever, you know, they're very versatile, so I love that.
1:56:20
SPEAKER_04: Um yeah, shout out to them.
1:56:22
SPEAKER_04: Shout out to someone.
1:56:23
SPEAKER_04: Send me free shit.
1:56:27
SPEAKER_01: Hell yeah.
1:56:29
SPEAKER_01: Uh I'm gonna give me something to drink.
1:56:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:56:32
SPEAKER_01: Are you going on water?
1:56:34
SPEAKER_01: I'll take another one.
1:56:35
SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah.
1:56:36
SPEAKER_01: What time is it?
1:56:37
SPEAKER_01: Shit.
1:56:38
SPEAKER_04: I pulled out my phone to look and I didn't want to see.
1:56:41
SPEAKER_04: 828.
1:56:43
SPEAKER_04: Oh shit.
1:56:45
SPEAKER_04: Do you have a time limit on these things?
1:56:46
SPEAKER_01: No, I really don't.
1:56:48
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:56:48
SPEAKER_01: The longest one was like almost three and a half hours.
1:56:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:56:53
SPEAKER_04: It's actually easier than I thought it was gonna be, honestly, because I'm like, damn.
1:56:58
SPEAKER_04: You get used to it.
1:56:59
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
1:57:00
SPEAKER_04: After a while.
1:57:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, most people are like intimidated by like camera work or like, oh man, I don't know what to say.
1:57:07
SPEAKER_01: I don't know what to talk about.
1:57:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:57:09
SPEAKER_01: Even me, like, I'm I was telling the story, the last one.
1:57:13
SPEAKER_01: Um because like when we first started, like uh in in Eric's episode, I I had a whole like itinerary of questions to ask, and my co-host didn't know what to say.
1:57:25
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, uh, I don't, I don't, I don't know.
1:57:27
SPEAKER_01: What am I supposed to do?
1:57:28
SPEAKER_01: What do I do?
1:57:29
SPEAKER_01: What's my role?
1:57:29
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if they're just my hand.
1:57:31
SPEAKER_01: Like, no, just okay.
1:57:33
SPEAKER_01: And then I was like, okay, here are some questions.
1:57:36
SPEAKER_01: I'll do all the homework, and every now and then just pop in with one of these questions.
1:57:40
SPEAKER_01: Then the questions ran out.
1:57:41
SPEAKER_01: But then I think it was uh her name was Winter, and she was the the second co-host ever.
1:57:48
SPEAKER_01: And um, it was her that just popped up with a random ass question of her own, and she asked Eric, like, oh, so uh it wasn't on my list.
1:57:56
SPEAKER_01: She's like, fun question.
1:57:58
SPEAKER_01: What's your favorite ice cream?
1:57:59
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, the fuck?
1:58:00
SPEAKER_04: Which is the perfect kind of question to ask him.
1:58:03
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I feel like his his answer is probably gonna be awesome, you know.
1:58:08
SPEAKER_01: Well, what do you say?
1:58:09
SPEAKER_01: He was like, Well, I can't really eat ice cream because I'm lactose intolerant.
1:58:14
SPEAKER_01: My stomach don't agree with it, but which is yeah, that sounds like those two bonded.
1:58:21
SPEAKER_01: They were like, they were talking about uh buddy guy, that concert right there.
1:58:25
SPEAKER_01: Look at that one.
1:58:25
SPEAKER_01: See that concert?
1:58:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
1:58:26
SPEAKER_01: They were both at that concert and they didn't even know each other.
1:58:30
SPEAKER_01: He was like, I went to Buddy Guy, and he was telling the buddy guy story.
1:58:33
SPEAKER_01: Yep, and then she was like, I was at that, it's on the page.
1:58:36
SPEAKER_01: It's on the page, it's I remember, I remember hearing it.
1:58:38
SPEAKER_01: He was like, We both looked at our face, we were like, You did?
1:58:42
SPEAKER_01: And she's like, Yes! He loved Buddy Guy, man.
1:58:45
SPEAKER_04: He loved the blues and stuff like that.
1:58:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that photo, Winter gave that to me.
1:58:48
SPEAKER_01: She's like, Here, this is for the podcast, it'll go into the history.
1:58:51
SPEAKER_00: I was like, Oh, hell yeah, thanks.
1:58:53
SPEAKER_01: Heck yeah, yeah.
1:58:54
SPEAKER_04: But but everybody has that story with him, though.
1:58:57
SPEAKER_04: You know, really, yeah, oh yeah, everybody has a story like that with that guy, man.
1:59:00
SPEAKER_04: He he made such a huge mark on this planet, I will say.
1:59:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he gave me some equipment, he gave me a little uh DI box and he gave me uh uh a guitar acoustic pedal to plug into the stuff.
1:59:14
SPEAKER_01: Nice like you can use these for your live performance.
1:59:17
SPEAKER_01: I was like, thanks, wow, I still have them in there.
1:59:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think I used them for uh Adam and um Thomas, yeah, when they did their acoustic stuff.
1:59:27
SPEAKER_01: Yep, but yeah, that's awesome.
1:59:29
SPEAKER_04: There's everybody has like stuff like that.
1:59:31
SPEAKER_04: They're like, oh, he randomly gave me this once, and you know, stuff like that.
1:59:35
SPEAKER_04: He was just one of those guys, he just kind of left a trail everywhere he went, you know.
1:59:39
SPEAKER_04: Yep, and uh yeah, one of these days.
1:59:42
SPEAKER_04: So, one idea I've been having mulling over for some time was possibly, I mean, maybe something you could probably help me out with too is trying to combine.
1:59:52
SPEAKER_04: He did a lot of writing, but he didn't ever really record anything.
1:59:57
SPEAKER_04: Um, he would do things like this, radio shows, stuff like that.
2:00:00
SPEAKER_04: That was when you really got a recording of the guy.
2:00:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:00:03
SPEAKER_04: And I know I lived with him for a while, and I know how much he wrote and played, and he had a little task cam recorder, which I might have to contact his family, see if they still have.
2:00:15
SPEAKER_04: But I know there's there's material to play with.
2:00:19
SPEAKER_04: But my idea was to pretty much take that material and I mean, give all of our old musician homies, like give give them a song, like give them a template, you know, and kind of help breathe life into these songs, you know.
2:00:36
SPEAKER_04: Um, and in an odd way, you know, it can be very healing, you know, the loss of him by being able to play with him again.
2:00:44
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:00:45
SPEAKER_04: That's you know, that was my big plans.
2:00:49
SPEAKER_04: Awesome.
2:00:50
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:00:50
SPEAKER_04: So giving a song to his boy Thomas Roscoe, giving one to our friend Monty, giving a song, you know, I'll take a song or two.
2:00:58
SPEAKER_04: Um, he had family members who were musicians too, you know, and people, people he really loved and cared about who, you know, who played with him, who, you know, made music with the guy.
2:01:10
SPEAKER_01: Um I actually had the honor to write music with him.
2:01:14
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if he ever showed you that song.
2:01:16
SPEAKER_01: It was called, I think he called it Rain on Me.
2:01:19
SPEAKER_01: And it was like, Rain on me.
2:01:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:01:22
SPEAKER_01: And uh he came over to my apartment way back in like 2016, and uh, we just I that's that's when I like I thought I was a good singer until I plugged him into a mic.
2:01:33
SPEAKER_01: He's like, Oh wow, I like your mic.
2:01:34
SPEAKER_01: He played on that SG.
2:01:35
SPEAKER_01: He's like, Oh, this is my one of my favorites, and then like his voice was just and I was like, holy shit, God, wait, wait, wait, let me fix this one.
2:01:46
SPEAKER_01: God damn, your voice is so amazing.
2:01:49
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I thought I was a good singer, but fuck no.
2:01:51
SPEAKER_01: And then yeah, he's all like, I'm gonna play you this one that I've been working on.
2:01:55
SPEAKER_01: It's feel free to do whatever you want with it.
2:01:57
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, okay.
2:01:59
SPEAKER_01: And then he just laid down like like a like a solid line of it, like a foundation of it.
2:02:05
SPEAKER_01: And then I got to add in the stuff.
2:02:08
SPEAKER_01: I still have it.
2:02:09
SPEAKER_01: Um I yeah, I went, I met him at Clancy's maybe like three, four weeks later, and I was like, hey, I have that song.
2:02:16
SPEAKER_01: I took off my backpack and he's like, Oh yeah, and then I played it for him.
2:02:20
SPEAKER_01: We were all sitting there, like, you know, at the outside patio.
2:02:23
SPEAKER_01: We're sitting right there.
2:02:24
SPEAKER_01: I had my computer out.
2:02:25
SPEAKER_01: We both had headphones, I had my little interface.
2:02:27
SPEAKER_00: I was like, this is the song right here.
2:02:28
SPEAKER_00: And he's like, You transformed that song.
2:02:31
SPEAKER_00: I hadn't even had that in my head.
2:02:32
SPEAKER_00: He was all freaking out.
2:02:33
SPEAKER_01: He's like, Can I buy this song off you?
2:02:36
SPEAKER_01: I was like, dude, it's your song.
2:02:37
SPEAKER_01: Like that.
2:02:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he did the acoustic and he sang into a microphone.
2:02:41
SPEAKER_01: All I did was add in bass, I added in some drums, I added in the background, I added in a I added in all that, and he wanted to buy it.
2:02:51
SPEAKER_01: And he's uh I was like, I don't have any discs, I'll make you a copy.
2:02:55
SPEAKER_01: I didn't get to see him again until like years later when he was actually on the podcast.
2:02:59
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Do you remember that song we wrote?
2:03:01
SPEAKER_01: He was like, Uh, you gotta play it again for me.
2:03:03
SPEAKER_01: And I played it, and he's like, Oh, this one! And I finally made him a copy and he took off with it, and that was that, and I still have it, and I was just like, This is the song.
2:03:13
SPEAKER_01: It's about he said he wrote it's a song about coffee.
2:03:16
SPEAKER_01: He's all it was is coffee.
2:03:17
SPEAKER_01: I can drink a full thing of coffee in one day.
2:03:20
SPEAKER_04: How oh my gosh, that guy, man.
2:03:23
SPEAKER_04: He he loved his coffee.
2:03:24
SPEAKER_04: He worked at Starbucks for a long time, yeah.
2:03:27
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and so yeah, when I lived with him and my sister, he he had a fucking contractor bag in the garage, and it was just full of he never stole anything.
2:03:38
SPEAKER_04: He would buy these things, I think, and there were like the bags of coffee from Starbucks, and he would be like it would be like the Christmas edition from five years ago, and then he'd go through that fucking bag and be like, No, you know, and god dang that guy.
2:03:54
SPEAKER_04: He had just he's the only guy I know.
2:03:56
SPEAKER_04: He would he would make coffee in the morning, do an entire pot, but then he had a metal coffee pot, and he would take the fucking coffee pot and walk out the door and go to work.
2:04:06
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, what yeah, he never had a he never had a coffee cup, he had that fucking thing.
2:04:12
SPEAKER_04: Oh dang, yeah, oh man, did love him.
2:04:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that song was about coffee.
2:04:17
SPEAKER_01: That's what he said.
2:04:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think the lyrics at the beginning was like, When I wake up in the morning, the coffee's piping.
2:04:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
2:04:25
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, oh man, and it was like rain on me because he said the glass, the steam would break there, and it was like that, and it was like clouds and rain.
2:04:33
SPEAKER_00: I was like, Oh my god, I love that.
2:04:35
SPEAKER_04: He had such an interesting take on his lyrics, too.
2:04:39
SPEAKER_04: He had one, I think it's the drunk song, and it came from him being a kid at a supermarket, and a a homeless person came up and was asking for money or whatever.
2:04:51
SPEAKER_04: Um, who his mom or somebody just shoot him away and told him to get out of here, fucking drunk.
2:04:56
SPEAKER_04: You know, I guess that just stuck with him.
2:04:58
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:04:58
SPEAKER_04: So when he wrote this song about, you know, the plight of the being drunk, you know, it can be a good thing and you know, obviously a bad thing.
2:05:06
SPEAKER_04: And yeah, he just had such a he had such a comical way of do of how he did things.
2:05:13
SPEAKER_04: I remember he was funny.
2:05:15
SPEAKER_01: Somebody do you remember who told that story about how he was like outside of Clancy's and he was like playing a song, then he just started like not really freestyling, but just like making lyrics up off the top of his head, then he was just reading the church's chicken menu, right?
2:05:29
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, editing in it.
2:05:30
SPEAKER_04: Yep, no, no, no.
2:05:31
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
2:05:32
SPEAKER_04: So with that, also that fucking church's chicken song.
2:05:35
SPEAKER_04: Anytime we played open mic, of course, you don't have a band or anything.
2:05:40
SPEAKER_04: We would just like, you know, we're gonna get up and play with Eric or whatever.
2:05:43
SPEAKER_04: If there was more than two or three of us up there with him, he would be like, Thank you, everybody.
2:05:47
SPEAKER_04: We are three piece dark$4.99.
2:05:54
SPEAKER_04: It would change every week because they would change when they changed the sign.
2:05:58
SPEAKER_04: That was always like our billboard or something.
2:06:01
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, anytime I drive by, I see a church's chicken man.
2:06:04
SPEAKER_04: I'm like, yeah, yeah, there's the band name for the week, you know.
2:06:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, my girl and I ate there back in like uh July, maybe June.
2:06:13
SPEAKER_01: And then um we had at Clancy's, not churches, but we had at Clancy's, we sat right there where the open mics were.
2:06:20
SPEAKER_01: I was like, I used to play open mics like all the time, like 2015, 2016.
2:06:25
SPEAKER_01: God, it was popping back then.
2:06:27
SPEAKER_01: I was looking, and I was like, Yeah, I played right there, but I think you, I think it was you that hopped on the drums.
2:06:32
SPEAKER_01: I was playing um I don't never wanna feel like I did that thing, and the drums like I was like, Yeah, yeah, and I looked back, I was like, Yeah, yeah.
2:06:44
SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh wow, this is awesome.
2:06:46
SPEAKER_01: I was just like vibing, yeah.
2:06:48
SPEAKER_01: Those are good times, man.
2:06:49
SPEAKER_01: A lot of fun there.
2:06:50
SPEAKER_01: And I was like telling my girl that I was like, yeah, I have pictures, I have videos of me performing here a long time ago.
2:06:57
SPEAKER_01: I was like, it was such a different time.
2:06:59
SPEAKER_01: God, I wish they would do that again.
2:07:00
SPEAKER_01: I was getting all like I want to play this.
2:07:03
SPEAKER_04: There's a will, there's a way, it'll, you know.
2:07:05
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:07:06
SPEAKER_04: But yeah, it's uh it's hard to see or go to that place and not see him.
2:07:13
SPEAKER_04: I know.
2:07:13
SPEAKER_04: It's it's it's very hard.
2:07:15
SPEAKER_04: That that's how I felt too.
2:07:16
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
2:07:17
SPEAKER_04: So he but he's still around.
2:07:19
SPEAKER_04: He he likes himself be known from time to time.
2:07:22
SPEAKER_04: Uh have him in dreams and such.
2:07:23
SPEAKER_04: So he's he's around, you know.
2:07:26
SPEAKER_04: Um, so and his his presence is still here, you know, very much so.
2:07:31
SPEAKER_04: They and then like you said, you have well, everybody's got a story like that.
2:07:34
SPEAKER_04: So it's it's a it's a beautiful thing to see.
2:07:37
SPEAKER_04: It's it's that in itself is therapeutic, I think.
2:07:40
SPEAKER_04: Um yeah, and then but the idea I I have too for I don't know if you've noticed this.
2:07:46
SPEAKER_04: Anytime you've seen the guy, you'd be like, Hey dude, what's going on?
2:07:49
SPEAKER_04: How are you doing?
2:07:50
SPEAKER_04: His his answer would always be, Oh, I'm happy.
2:07:54
SPEAKER_04: I think so, yeah.
2:07:55
SPEAKER_04: Do you recognize that?
2:07:56
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he always said that to people.
2:07:58
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the song I want to write, I'm currently, you know, been writing for a few years now.
2:08:03
SPEAKER_04: Is I wanted a title, I'm happy, which seems in the span of things, seems a little morbid, but actually has like a there's a reason for it.
2:08:11
SPEAKER_04: Like the guy was always fucking happy.
2:08:13
SPEAKER_04: He wasn't kidding when he said those things, yeah.
2:08:15
SPEAKER_04: He was a very jovial man.
2:08:16
SPEAKER_04: Um, so and it's so cool to see now people will be like, oh man, he was always happy, you know, and just just joy, even in his hard times.
2:08:26
SPEAKER_04: He had he had his hard times too.
2:08:28
SPEAKER_04: But he he'd lift you up, you know.
2:08:31
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I mean he he yeah, those times he came to my apartment and we did that, recorded that one song, and then one time same apartment, I was just outside my somebody scratched my then partner's car, and I was like, I can fix this.
2:08:46
SPEAKER_01: So I was outside sitting outside the apartment complex, just like sanding, spreading water and doing the scratch remover thing.
2:08:56
SPEAKER_01: Then I just heard hey Ryan.
2:08:58
SPEAKER_01: I was like, What?
2:09:00
SPEAKER_01: Oh, hey, what are you doing here?
2:09:02
SPEAKER_01: Man, I think he said he was visiting a friend or doing something.
2:09:06
SPEAKER_01: Then he said he used to work at those apartments too.
2:09:08
SPEAKER_01: He's like, Yeah, see those drywall patches.
2:09:11
SPEAKER_01: He's like, see that one?
2:09:12
SPEAKER_01: He's like, Yeah, we used to work in here.
2:09:14
SPEAKER_01: I was like, What the fuck?
2:09:15
SPEAKER_01: Really?
2:09:15
SPEAKER_01: Really?
2:09:16
SPEAKER_01: Right by the post office.
2:09:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, those ones, yeah.
2:09:19
SPEAKER_01: He said he used to work in here.
2:09:21
SPEAKER_04: Uh I remember those days actually.
2:09:24
SPEAKER_04: That was high school, I think.
2:09:25
SPEAKER_04: Really?
2:09:26
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
2:09:28
SPEAKER_01: They said they called him noodles.
2:09:30
SPEAKER_04: Yep, because his last name Campbell.
2:09:32
SPEAKER_04: For the longest time, that was his name for me.
2:09:35
SPEAKER_04: Rarely, if ever, called him Eric.
2:09:36
SPEAKER_04: It was always Noodles when I first met him.
2:09:39
SPEAKER_04: And um, one of the first times uh I really talked with him is I think this is seventh grade.
2:09:46
SPEAKER_04: I've known him since sixth grade, but seventh grade I actually talked with him.
2:09:50
SPEAKER_04: He had an afro, really.
2:09:51
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he came to school and he would have like a powder blue jumpsuit because he because that was just him.
2:09:58
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I remember his his best friend Austin just always tells a story of their first day of high school, him coming out in that suit, and like Austin's like, So that's what you're gonna do today, you're gonna embarrass me.
2:10:08
SPEAKER_04: And he's like, Yep.
2:10:10
SPEAKER_04: But I remember throwing Starburst rappers in his his uh half-row.
2:10:14
SPEAKER_04: Oh no, and I remember him getting pissed off, but also like seeing the fun in it and stuff like that.
2:10:21
SPEAKER_04: But we were in in band together, too.
2:10:23
SPEAKER_04: He played clarinet for a long time.
2:10:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, okay.
2:10:26
SPEAKER_04: And then he picked up trumpet, and then he was on drumline mostly because he was cool with shit, and we were like, Yeah, like have him come in, you know.
2:10:33
SPEAKER_04: Um, yeah, man.
2:10:35
SPEAKER_04: I made a lot of music with that guy, a lot of music.
2:10:38
SPEAKER_04: That's awesome.
2:10:38
SPEAKER_04: Yep, yep.
2:10:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I gotta show you that.
2:10:42
SPEAKER_01: Maybe uh I actually have CDs, maybe I'll give you a copy.
2:10:45
SPEAKER_01: Dude, yeah, I loved it.
2:10:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I loved it.
2:10:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, all I know is it was called Rain on Me because that was the chorus.
2:10:51
SPEAKER_01: Rain on me.
2:10:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, do do do do rain on.
2:10:55
SPEAKER_01: And I added the bass line, and he was in love with that bass line.
2:10:58
SPEAKER_01: He's like, Can you give me the tabs for that?
2:11:00
SPEAKER_01: I was like, I don't remember what I did.
2:11:03
SPEAKER_01: He's all like I was out of time and I was nervous because I was out of time and I was hoping I don't know, it was gonna be a problem.
2:11:09
SPEAKER_01: I was like, it was, but I worked around it.
2:11:11
SPEAKER_01: It sounds good though.
2:11:12
SPEAKER_01: You you can't even notice.
2:11:14
SPEAKER_01: And he's like, Okay, cool.
2:11:15
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I was like, do do do do do do do I was like, ah I was like, I was going off the field the way you were singing, dude.
2:11:25
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
2:11:26
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, he sings good, and um I uh I showed my my buddy Winter that and we all listened to it together because he's like, I don't remember the song.
2:11:36
SPEAKER_01: Because when he said he wanted to buy it off me, it was 2016 and then jumping ahead, it was like 2021.
2:11:43
SPEAKER_01: And no, yeah, about 2021 ish.
2:11:46
SPEAKER_01: And he's like, I don't remember.
2:11:47
SPEAKER_01: You gotta play that song for me because it's an old song, I don't remember.
2:11:51
SPEAKER_01: I played it for him, he was just like just vibing.
2:11:55
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Holy, do you remember this?
2:11:57
SPEAKER_01: He's like, I remember this is.
2:12:00
SPEAKER_01: An old one, and I was like, Yeah, dude, I've had this in my library for I don't know how long.
2:12:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was like, Were you ever gonna release it?
2:12:07
SPEAKER_01: He's like, I don't even remember it, dude.
2:12:08
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's like damn, but yeah, man.
2:12:13
SPEAKER_04: I it's so funny to think about now because I lived with him for a short time and he was a morning person.
2:12:19
SPEAKER_04: Um, even I always tell the story of like even in high school, uh doing traveling for band, yeah.
2:12:26
SPEAKER_04: We our last names were close to each other, so we'd sometimes get roomed with each other.
2:12:30
SPEAKER_04: And I fucking I even to this day, like uh there's a few people I am not gonna ever share a hotel room with ever again.
2:12:38
SPEAKER_04: And he was on that list because he's a morning person.
2:12:40
SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
2:12:41
SPEAKER_04: And he would, yeah, it that first time I roomed with him, he woke up super early, the sun wasn't even up yet, and he got in the shower, and he brought with him his speakers from home.
2:12:52
SPEAKER_04: Like, you know, remember the the computer speakers?
2:12:56
SPEAKER_04: They're like a universal computer speaker, everybody has them.
2:12:59
SPEAKER_04: He snuck those on the bus and he had his he rigged together his CD player and he clicks on uh Jessica Simpson.
2:13:07
SPEAKER_04: And I mean, it's it's not just like ear level, it's fucking blaring.
2:13:11
SPEAKER_04: Oh my god, it's blaring.
2:13:13
SPEAKER_04: And then the guy in the hotel room next to us calls our room and he's like, dude, tell Eric, tell noodles to shut the fuck up.
2:13:21
SPEAKER_04: Like, yeah.
2:13:22
SPEAKER_04: So, like, he was very much a morning person.
2:13:24
SPEAKER_04: So when I lived with him, I was, you know, not in the best shape life-wise.
2:13:28
SPEAKER_04: So I slept late in those days.
2:13:30
SPEAKER_04: Okay, yeah.
2:13:31
SPEAKER_04: And he would get up early in the morning and drink his entire pots of coffee and sit and play and sing and play and sing and play.
2:13:39
SPEAKER_04: And he would repeat and repeat and repeat, it drove me up the fucking wall, man.
2:13:43
SPEAKER_04: He's an artist, dude.
2:13:45
SPEAKER_04: He yeah, he had to flesh out ideas in his own way, and he was just, yeah.
2:13:51
SPEAKER_04: Looking back now, I'm like, damn, I would give anything for to you know, wake up to that again.
2:13:56
SPEAKER_04: But you know, it's a funny story because it's just like, man, he drove me up the fucking wall.
2:14:02
SPEAKER_04: But it's just how how big of a perfectionist, musical-wise, he was.
2:14:07
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he just loved talent, and he it was in his bones, it was in his soul.
2:14:13
SPEAKER_04: Um, and you know, that that soul's still around.
2:14:17
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, yeah.
2:14:18
SPEAKER_04: I find Talla snowing, he's around.
2:14:20
SPEAKER_04: When I need him to be, he's here.
2:14:22
SPEAKER_01: Uh my girl and I danced to his recording when I first started this podcast again in last year.
2:14:30
SPEAKER_01: Last year, around like March or May, I think my first my first uh episode was uh Justin Hale.
2:14:38
SPEAKER_01: And uh we were setting up everything.
2:14:40
SPEAKER_01: No, it was maybe it was Adam Burley.
2:14:42
SPEAKER_01: I think it was Burley, and uh, we were setting up everything, the lighting when here in the dining room was everything was all set up really nicely, and then I was just like, Yeah, a lot of great people played right here.
2:14:53
SPEAKER_01: I was like, you want to hear really good when we play that song?
2:14:56
SPEAKER_01: Um, what's that song called?
2:14:58
SPEAKER_01: He has um You really got a hold on me, don't make me lose my yeah.
2:15:06
SPEAKER_01: That song, yeah.
2:15:08
SPEAKER_01: Clouds of my coffee.
2:15:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
2:15:12
SPEAKER_01: I played that really loud because he did a recording on that.
2:15:14
SPEAKER_01: And while while he did that, we recorded it super raw right there.
2:15:19
SPEAKER_01: Then when he left, uh my buddy Winter was chilling in here, and she's just like, So, is that the recording we're gonna use?
2:15:25
SPEAKER_01: I was like, Yeah, look, let me show you.
2:15:27
SPEAKER_01: And I did some mixing, I was like, did this, and I was like, did that, and went.
2:15:32
SPEAKER_01: We showed her the art of like mixing and all that.
2:15:35
SPEAKER_01: I was like, Oh, now listen to it.
2:15:38
SPEAKER_01: And it sounded so incredible, and that's the recording we have on YouTube now.
2:15:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
2:15:43
SPEAKER_01: But then when me and my girl were here, I was like, check this out, and the music.
2:15:47
SPEAKER_01: See how the blue and the colors and everything were playing?
2:15:50
SPEAKER_01: Right, we were right in there, and then we were dancing, and he was singing, and it was just a beautiful song.
2:15:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was just like oh he talks about Bolero.
2:15:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but instead of talking about that girl and that song and that recording he did right there.
2:16:03
SPEAKER_01: He did that bitch, yeah.
2:16:06
SPEAKER_01: He changed the lyrics.
2:16:07
SPEAKER_04: I was like, bro, he changed the lyrics.
2:16:09
SPEAKER_04: I think that was prom night for him.
2:16:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, or something like that.
2:16:11
SPEAKER_01: Prom night, wasn't it?
2:16:12
SPEAKER_01: I'm pretty sure.
2:16:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that fucking dude.
2:16:15
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, we were chilling in here dancing, you know.
2:16:18
SPEAKER_01: I was like, it's the most beautiful song I've ever heard.
2:16:21
SPEAKER_01: It's incredible.
2:16:22
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, and she loved it.
2:16:24
SPEAKER_01: And then when uh all of that recorded it and everything, and yeah, it's on YouTube, you know.
2:16:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:16:32
SPEAKER_04: You can always check that out, recorded it.
2:16:34
SPEAKER_04: Anytime I pick up uh an acoustic guitar and there's a capo on there, that's like my go-to, like just what I start playing.
2:16:42
SPEAKER_04: Really?
2:16:42
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
2:16:43
SPEAKER_04: That song will just come out.
2:16:44
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
2:16:45
SPEAKER_04: Wow.
2:16:46
SPEAKER_04: And uh yeah, that just naturally comes out now that you know if I just have a guitar, you know.
2:16:53
SPEAKER_04: It's one of those those songs.
2:16:54
SPEAKER_04: I have another one too, like an old Reverend Catfish song.
2:16:57
SPEAKER_04: Anytime I pick up a guitar, that's what comes out.
2:16:59
SPEAKER_04: But it's cool that that one is now, you know, embedded in me, you know.
2:17:02
SPEAKER_04: Um, so yeah, I'm you know, excited to hopefully turn more people onto that, you know.
2:17:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I still have one of the CDs in my car, too.
2:17:12
SPEAKER_01: I believe.
2:17:13
SPEAKER_01: And one of one of one of the songs, he's like, Thanks for buying my demo in the middle of it.
2:17:19
SPEAKER_01: Like the song's vibe in a playing then out of nowhere.
2:17:21
SPEAKER_01: He's like, by the way, thanks for playing my demo.
2:17:24
SPEAKER_04: I was like, What?
2:17:26
SPEAKER_04: So funny.
2:17:27
SPEAKER_04: He is such a goof, man.
2:17:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, good.
2:17:30
SPEAKER_01: That's that's fucking awesome, man.
2:17:34
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, goof.
2:17:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:17:40
SPEAKER_01: So do you have any more future plans for anything coming up?
2:17:45
SPEAKER_01: Well, not quite.
2:17:46
SPEAKER_04: Well, the flood is getting back, you know, to to working again.
2:17:50
SPEAKER_04: And we we have this horrible habit of working doing gigs during the summer and kind of hibernating a little bit in the winter, but we always, you know, are always practicing, you know, in some form or another.
2:18:02
SPEAKER_04: Or planning the next step.
2:18:04
SPEAKER_04: So I think that's our next next step.
2:18:06
SPEAKER_04: Getting together here in a few weeks and stripping the set list and starting over, you know.
2:18:11
SPEAKER_04: We have our good list of originals and such.
2:18:14
SPEAKER_04: Um, that we'll still always play, but you know, resetting our set list, that'll be fun.
2:18:19
SPEAKER_04: Um the metal band uh Watch This World Burn.
2:18:24
SPEAKER_04: We're playing Denver this next weekend.
2:18:26
SPEAKER_04: Oh, hell yeah.
2:18:26
SPEAKER_04: Denver and um Colorado Springs.
2:18:29
SPEAKER_04: Then we got the hive again at the end of the uh next month, and then um, yeah, that one's just a fun project as well.
2:18:35
SPEAKER_04: Um, and then at some point or another, I'll get with the morbid justice guys and figure that out.
2:18:42
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that'll be interesting, man.
2:18:44
SPEAKER_04: That's that's gonna be so much fun just because uh just being a fan of their music, and but they're also good friends.
2:18:50
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that that helps definitely.
2:18:52
SPEAKER_04: But yeah, to be able to delve into that music, it's it's a pretty daunting task.
2:18:56
SPEAKER_04: Um, so I got my work ahead of you know cut out for me.
2:18:59
SPEAKER_04: That's awesome.
2:18:59
SPEAKER_04: Um, my predecessor is an absolute fucking beast.
2:19:02
SPEAKER_04: All respect and love to that guy.
2:19:03
SPEAKER_04: Um, so to fill those shoes, man, that's gonna be huge.
2:19:07
SPEAKER_04: It's gonna be real.
2:19:08
SPEAKER_04: I got my work cut out for me, but it's gonna be so much fun.
2:19:10
SPEAKER_04: I'm stuck.
2:19:11
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:19:11
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:19:12
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, music's there.
2:19:14
SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna go do it.
2:19:15
SPEAKER_01: You gotta come jam with us sometime, too.
2:19:17
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, dude.
2:19:18
SPEAKER_04: It'll be fun.
2:19:18
SPEAKER_04: I grew up on old new metal and shit, so it'd be funny.
2:19:21
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean Ray Luzier is one of my fucking dudes, and so again, that's one of those, you know, those you pick up drummers and you're just like, oh, I wanna do a song like him.
2:19:32
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, Keith Boon or Bonham or you know, Neil Pearl.
2:19:36
SPEAKER_04: I just, yeah, that's my shit right there.
2:19:39
SPEAKER_04: Hell yeah.
2:19:40
SPEAKER_01: Hell yeah.
2:19:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're always looking to that.
2:19:42
SPEAKER_01: Um, when I said my buddy brought his bass over, one of my best friends, uh Zane, he brought his bass amp.
2:19:49
SPEAKER_01: He put it right there.
2:19:50
SPEAKER_01: That thing is huge, and he's like itching to jam with it.
2:19:54
SPEAKER_01: Big bass amp.
2:19:55
SPEAKER_01: It's like a cabinet thing.
2:19:58
SPEAKER_01: And he's like, he said, I'm gonna, it was like maybe 11:30 at night here.
2:20:05
SPEAKER_01: He's like, You want me to turn it full blast?
2:20:07
SPEAKER_01: I was like, okay.
2:20:08
SPEAKER_01: He turned it full.
2:20:09
SPEAKER_01: He's like, here he goes.
2:20:10
SPEAKER_01: I was like, do it.
2:20:10
SPEAKER_01: I was like, those guys are always blasting their car.
2:20:13
SPEAKER_01: Right.
2:20:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's like, here we go.
2:20:24
SPEAKER_01: Then he's all like, you know what?
2:20:25
SPEAKER_01: That's only a quarter of how loud it gets.
2:20:28
SPEAKER_01: I was like, what?
2:20:29
SPEAKER_01: He's like, see the switch on the back?
2:20:31
SPEAKER_00: It goes way louder.
2:20:32
SPEAKER_00: I was like, what the fuck?
2:20:34
SPEAKER_00: He's like full whemming, man.
2:20:36
SPEAKER_00: You gotta distort that shit.
2:20:37
SPEAKER_01: Yup.
2:20:38
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
2:20:40
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, him and Drake are just fucking itching.
2:20:43
SPEAKER_01: Just to jam, just to play, you know.
2:20:46
SPEAKER_01: Right.
2:20:46
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, you know, come jam with us sometime.
2:20:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, it'll be fun.
2:20:50
SPEAKER_01: Come fucking play.
2:20:52
SPEAKER_01: I'll bring the PA.
2:20:52
SPEAKER_01: See, see my two stands right there?
2:20:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:20:54
SPEAKER_01: Right there in the corner.
2:20:55
SPEAKER_01: Those are my PA stands, they're in my storage.
2:20:57
SPEAKER_01: I just gotta go grab them and we'll hook up the PA system.
2:21:00
SPEAKER_01: We used to have practices in here for the the band I was in before.
2:21:04
SPEAKER_01: So, like, you know, it does it's not really a big deal if we jam out in here.
2:21:08
SPEAKER_01: I'll just pick that up and move that over there, put the thing right here, put a bass, put a guitar, put your drums like right here in the corner and all that.
2:21:15
SPEAKER_01: So fucking jam it.
2:21:18
SPEAKER_01: We'll make a video.
2:21:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:21:21
SPEAKER_04: I bet that's hard too, because I mean you have the podcast, it'd be easy to just, you know.
2:21:26
unknown: Yeah.
2:21:26
SPEAKER_04: You got a band, do you want to just utilize the stuff?
2:21:29
SPEAKER_01: That's what I wanted to do in the very, very beginning.
2:21:32
SPEAKER_01: Was like, was like uh record music, record covers, and record stuff with other bands and members of other bands, and just like feature stuff, you know, feature members.
2:21:42
SPEAKER_01: That would be fun, yeah.
2:21:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and tag everybody's name and everything into it, you know.
2:21:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
2:21:46
SPEAKER_01: I thought that would be really fun.
2:21:48
SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
2:21:49
SPEAKER_01: I wanted to do that, and then I wanted to do um cartoons.
2:21:54
SPEAKER_04: Like a little interwoven kind of thing.
2:21:56
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and then have like artists.
2:21:57
SPEAKER_04: You've you've done like the stop motion and stuff.
2:21:59
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:22:01
SPEAKER_01: That's available on my page if anybody wants to watch it.
2:22:03
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, the stop motion stuff, like do voices, and like like if you came in, you could do a voice for one of the toys walking up.
2:22:12
SPEAKER_00: It would be so funny, right?
2:22:14
SPEAKER_01: You know, have all these artists around here, or somebody who's like a vocal screaming, like a who can like do a goro voice, you know, goro for Mortal Kombat, or something like a monster, or have somebody bring in an action figure and that's your character for the week.
2:22:30
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, like a bronze guy.
2:22:32
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, okay, you're gonna voice him.
2:22:34
SPEAKER_04: Sure.
2:22:35
SPEAKER_04: That's a good idea.
2:22:36
SPEAKER_04: I would hang on to that.
2:22:37
SPEAKER_04: Just interweave skits or whatever, make it a real show, yeah.
2:22:42
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
2:22:43
SPEAKER_01: Something like that, you know.
2:22:44
SPEAKER_01: Because when I first started this podcast, I was inspired by a lot of things.
2:22:48
SPEAKER_01: I was inspired by um uh even Saturday Night Live.
2:22:52
SPEAKER_01: I was inspired by Saturday Night Live.
2:22:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was telling uh the guest I had before, uh Lincoln Mark, um, that when I first started this podcast, one of the first things that inspired me the most was Tom Green.
2:23:06
SPEAKER_01: They said he was surprisingly one of the first people to ever do something like a podcast.
2:23:12
SPEAKER_04: Right.
2:23:13
SPEAKER_01: They're like, he's one of the OGs, and he's like, Oh, really?
2:23:16
SPEAKER_01: How so?
2:23:17
SPEAKER_01: Because he was in his living room, in his dining room, just like this, and then he got a desk.
2:23:22
SPEAKER_01: He just bought a desk, put it right there, got a red chair just like you're sitting in right there, and put it right there.
2:23:27
SPEAKER_01: Then he he built a screen and drew all the like cartoon night city life, like the buildings and the stars and everything right there, like a giant window.
2:23:36
SPEAKER_01: It wasn't a real window, it was just a paper.
2:23:38
SPEAKER_01: He drew all that on there, then he sat down, he put on a suit, and he's like, put a camera right there.
2:23:44
SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the tonight show.
2:23:47
SPEAKER_01: And it looks so silly, and like he had a box TV, it was like a big old box TV on his desk.
2:23:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're gonna go to this clip.
2:23:55
SPEAKER_01: I have my guest here.
2:23:56
SPEAKER_01: Uh blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
2:23:57
SPEAKER_01: Oh, you know, it's just like he's just silly.
2:24:01
SPEAKER_01: And he made his own tonight show.
2:24:03
SPEAKER_01: He didn't need a big production, he didn't need anything, he just fucking went out and he did it.
2:24:08
SPEAKER_01: And that was streaming on the internet a long time ago, before we had YouTube, before we had anything.
2:24:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I was like, oh, that's so fucking cool.
2:24:15
SPEAKER_01: He just went out and he just fucking did it.
2:24:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's that's that's inspiring to me.
2:24:20
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
2:24:21
SPEAKER_04: Especially shit out of like le left field, you know.
2:24:25
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, because I mean, yeah, honestly, I for the most part, I I didn't really see much merit in the podcast culture.
2:24:32
SPEAKER_04: Because I mean you you put a mic mic in front of somebody's face, you know, and they're you know, they'll tend to you just kind of spurt, you know, kind of thing, or pontificate.
2:24:41
SPEAKER_04: And I don't know, it just didn't seem like my niche podcast culture that is.
2:24:45
SPEAKER_04: It's just like I don't just don't you're just sitting around talking to other friends or whatever, you know.
2:24:50
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but to do something like this where it's like there's something to it, you know, just sitting having good conversations.
2:24:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know that that's what I like to tell people.
2:24:58
SPEAKER_01: It's like you you go to a bar and you sit at a bar and you just talk to people, and sometimes you can have the most incredible conversations at a bar with somebody.
2:25:06
SPEAKER_01: You're just like, what the fuck?
2:25:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, dude, that guy was cool, yeah.
2:25:10
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
2:25:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
2:25:12
SPEAKER_00: You never know.
2:25:13
SPEAKER_01: And uh the whole itinerary thing went out the window.
2:25:16
SPEAKER_01: Like, we're gonna have a set of questions and blah blah blah.
2:25:18
SPEAKER_01: And I was talking to one of my other buddies about this, and I was just like, Yeah, I think we're just gonna do a complete, straight up, who gives a fuck conversation.
2:25:26
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
2:25:27
SPEAKER_01: Because like I've listened to podcasts like all over the place, even local podcasts around here.
2:25:34
SPEAKER_01: And one of the main things that I think about was they're like, Okay, so what happened with this and this?
2:25:40
SPEAKER_01: And they're like, Oh, we were going over here and blah blah blah, and then we met Corey Taylor from Slipknot, and then he invited us over, and then we were going into this room.
2:25:49
SPEAKER_01: You will not believe what we saw in this room.
2:25:52
SPEAKER_01: He said, Come on in, free for all, anything you want.
2:25:55
SPEAKER_01: So we went in.
2:25:56
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, my mouth, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
2:25:59
SPEAKER_01: What?
2:25:59
SPEAKER_01: Um, we're kind of getting off topic, so yeah.
2:26:02
SPEAKER_01: So when did you first start singing?
2:26:05
SPEAKER_01: Like, oh well, I started singing in like um I was like 16.
2:26:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
2:26:12
SPEAKER_01: So go continue from there.
2:26:14
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:26:15
unknown: What the fuck?
2:26:16
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I've done radio stuff before, and it was kind of like that.
2:26:20
SPEAKER_04: Very rigid.
2:26:21
SPEAKER_04: Like, if I have to explain one more time, like, yeah, my you know, my uh influences or like how did your band get together?
2:26:28
SPEAKER_04: I'm like, bro, I want to know what the fuck you did with cordial.
2:26:31
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, what I love about this is when you asked me to do it, it was literally just straight ahead, like, hey, do you want to do it?
2:26:37
SPEAKER_04: There was no plan.
2:26:39
SPEAKER_04: You didn't send me an itinerary, you didn't send me topics, nothing.
2:26:42
SPEAKER_04: It was literally just let's just fucking do it.
2:26:44
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, right up my alley, let's fucking do it.
2:26:46
SPEAKER_04: So, yeah, definitely.
2:26:47
SPEAKER_04: You turn you changed my perception of it.
2:26:50
SPEAKER_04: Definitely.
2:26:51
SPEAKER_04: It's a lot of fun, man.
2:26:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, everybody that I usually invite on there, they're like, uh, what are we mainly gonna be talking about?
2:26:58
SPEAKER_01: Give me some idea on the topics.
2:27:00
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, well, there's really there's really no thoughts.
2:27:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
2:27:03
SPEAKER_01: Let's go.
2:27:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:27:04
SPEAKER_01: And they're nervous and they're scared, you know.
2:27:06
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
2:27:07
SPEAKER_04: Cause I was even thinking, like, damn, what am I gonna say?
2:27:10
SPEAKER_04: I'm not a very raw, raw big person, but my wife is probably watching this.
2:27:14
SPEAKER_04: I'm like, shut the fuck up.
2:27:16
SPEAKER_04: Like it's getting into shut the fuck up.
2:27:18
SPEAKER_04: That's the trick sometimes.
2:27:19
SPEAKER_04: So but yeah, man, it's a fun, it's a fun concept.
2:27:22
SPEAKER_04: I like it.
2:27:23
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, dude, you gotta do the skit thing.
2:27:24
SPEAKER_04: That's a good idea.
2:27:25
SPEAKER_04: I think that'd be that would be fun, man.
2:27:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I would love to do that.
2:27:28
SPEAKER_01: I was gonna do that tonight with um the the girl who won the tickets.
2:27:33
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
2:27:33
SPEAKER_01: The tickets, because she she showed up because it was like, I'm I'm here, where are you?
2:27:38
SPEAKER_01: I'm like right up there, right up right parked in front of the mod.
2:27:41
SPEAKER_01: And then she came walking up and she looked all silly, like, hey, and I was like, okay.
2:27:46
SPEAKER_01: And then until I drove off, I was thinking, God damn, I should have done it.
2:27:51
SPEAKER_01: I should have asked her if she would have done a skit.
2:27:52
SPEAKER_01: She looked cool enough to do a skit with.
2:27:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:27:54
SPEAKER_01: And I'll be, I was gonna film a video and be like, yo, and she's gonna be like, Woo! And tell her, you know, like, who who made you a winner today?
2:28:02
SPEAKER_01: And I wanted her to be like, 92.9, the dog rocks.
2:28:06
SPEAKER_01: 96.9, the dog rocks, and I'll be like, What?
2:28:08
SPEAKER_00: And then have the camera shut up and go do some silly shit like that, you know what I mean?
2:28:14
SPEAKER_01: Just like be fucking silly, yeah.
2:28:17
SPEAKER_01: But I I didn't get I should have done that.
2:28:19
SPEAKER_01: Maybe next time.
2:28:20
SPEAKER_01: But next time, yeah.
2:28:21
SPEAKER_01: I I think I'm gonna start giving away tickets like that.
2:28:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
2:28:26
SPEAKER_01: I think that was that was really cool.
2:28:27
SPEAKER_04: That's a cool thing to do just for the scene in general, too.
2:28:30
SPEAKER_04: I mean, it motivates people to to apply, you know, when there's an incentive to win something.
2:28:36
SPEAKER_01: So, wow, I fucking won.
2:28:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
2:28:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's how that pulse was because she wasn't answering at first.
2:28:42
SPEAKER_01: I was like, Congratulations, you're the winner.
2:28:45
SPEAKER_01: And then like 30 minutes went by and nothing.
2:28:47
SPEAKER_01: And like, then she posted a story, and I'm like, Hey, you won.
2:28:52
SPEAKER_01: Co get your shit.
2:28:53
SPEAKER_00: And she's like, I'm on! Oh hell yeah! She's all excited.
2:28:57
SPEAKER_00: I was like, fuck yeah.
2:28:58
SPEAKER_01: So that was that was that was awesome, you know.
2:29:01
SPEAKER_01: And if I can't go to the shows, you know, I'll buy tickets and I'll support somebody to go to the show.
2:29:06
SPEAKER_04: But I mean it gives you content too, because I mean you you find out a guy about people like us, you know, the people on the scene that are doing this or whatever, you know.
2:29:14
SPEAKER_04: And yeah, it's a good, it's a good launching point too.
2:29:18
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, it's a good idea.
2:29:19
SPEAKER_01: Yep, and there's shows coming up all the time.
2:29:22
SPEAKER_01: And if if you're if you're listening to this right now and you're a band, you know, send me the send me the show you're playing, you know.
2:29:29
SPEAKER_01: Maybe I'll buy tickets and give it away.
2:29:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, maybe I'll show up to the show.
2:29:33
SPEAKER_00: You never know, you know.
2:29:35
SPEAKER_01: Because I I I haven't been to shows in a good while.
2:29:38
SPEAKER_01: I haven't done a lot of things, I haven't been out there.
2:29:40
SPEAKER_01: So same.
2:29:41
SPEAKER_04: Actually, life happens keeps life in.
2:29:44
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, I'd I I always make the joke like, man, I'd love to go out to more shows, but unless I'm working them, I just I can't, I just mentally can't do it.
2:29:54
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I really gotta be tired, yeah.
2:29:57
SPEAKER_04: Oh, right.
2:29:57
SPEAKER_04: And like, yeah, it's it's tough to go do anything anymore, especially gas prices and shit like that.
2:30:03
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, it's almost fucking five dollars.
2:30:05
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, man.
2:30:05
SPEAKER_04: Uh I have anxiety just going to fucking Walmart anymore, you know.
2:30:10
SPEAKER_04: Yep, exactly.
2:30:11
SPEAKER_04: And so, yeah, man.
2:30:12
SPEAKER_04: So, yeah, when it is you're able to get out and go do those things, man.
2:30:16
SPEAKER_04: That's so much fun.
2:30:17
SPEAKER_04: Um, that's why I love like what they're doing with the mod again and stuff like that.
2:30:21
SPEAKER_04: It gets you out, and you know, get to travel a little bit too, huh?
2:30:24
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, get out for a little bit.
2:30:26
SPEAKER_04: And we in recently got up to Grand Junction and did a show up there.
2:30:30
SPEAKER_04: Oh wow, man, you want to talk about a good fucking time.
2:30:33
SPEAKER_04: Really?
2:30:34
SPEAKER_04: That scene up there is so much fun, and just oh wow, booming.
2:30:39
SPEAKER_04: We were the second band on the bill, and we were the only ones traveling in, and we've only got one song on Spotify right now.
2:30:45
SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
2:30:46
SPEAKER_04: So we, you know, not massive or anything like that by any means.
2:30:50
SPEAKER_01: And that's that's uh watch the scene.
2:30:53
SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
2:30:53
SPEAKER_01: And we booked it, booked a gig.
2:30:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:30:56
SPEAKER_01: Holy shit.
2:30:57
SPEAKER_04: So when we first took the gig, our understanding was it was in the parking lot of a tattoo parlor.
2:31:04
SPEAKER_04: So, of course, you don't have a whole lot of high expectations based off of that.
2:31:08
SPEAKER_04: But then they're like, oh, wait, things are changing.
2:31:10
SPEAKER_04: We're gonna go to Mesa Theater instead.
2:31:12
SPEAKER_04: We're like, oh fuck yeah, that's even better.
2:31:14
SPEAKER_04: Wait, how long how big is this place?
2:31:16
SPEAKER_04: You know, yeah, like man, it's gonna be empty because nobody knows who we are, you know.
2:31:20
SPEAKER_04: We just started in but man, people everywhere.
2:31:25
SPEAKER_04: There is yeah, just like the crowd there was just incredible, and they're in it with and that's Grand Junction.
2:31:31
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we gotta get more shows in Grand Junction, you know, aggressive expansion.
2:31:36
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, definitely.
2:31:37
SPEAKER_04: And then the band that was throwing the whole thing, um, Never Endeavor, absolutely incredible band that you gotta watch.
2:31:44
SPEAKER_04: They are especially there, that's like their home base, so they have a good following there.
2:31:49
SPEAKER_04: And they just invite the crowd up on stage.
2:31:51
SPEAKER_04: Oh shit.
2:31:52
SPEAKER_04: They're just like, Well, they said we it's not like they said we couldn't do that, so come on up.
2:31:59
SPEAKER_04: So, yeah, and it was just good networking as well, like a lot of the other bands are fucking incredible, but yeah, just the scene, just the love and the feel for it.
2:32:08
SPEAKER_04: It means something to them there as well, just like it does here.
2:32:11
SPEAKER_04: That's fucking awesome.
2:32:12
SPEAKER_04: I didn't even know that.
2:32:13
SPEAKER_04: You wouldn't even think about that.
2:32:14
SPEAKER_04: I know, right?
2:32:15
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
2:32:16
SPEAKER_04: It it is a college town, and it is it's kind of like a hub, kind of like similar to similar to here.
2:32:22
SPEAKER_04: So, but yeah, highly recommend it.
2:32:26
SPEAKER_01: Gotta get more bands out there.
2:32:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:32:28
SPEAKER_01: Do you know who who was booking that out in Grand Junction?
2:32:31
SPEAKER_01: Who's who's kind of it's not a phase.
2:32:34
SPEAKER_04: I think it was the production company.
2:32:36
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
2:32:37
SPEAKER_04: Um but yeah, yeah, they they're just doing amazing things.
2:32:41
SPEAKER_04: There was another band, Handbreak Hero, that played that just blew my fucking mind.
2:32:46
SPEAKER_04: They're drummer.
2:32:47
SPEAKER_04: Good god.
2:32:48
SPEAKER_04: He also plays for Never Endeavor by the looks of it.
2:32:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:32:51
SPEAKER_04: And yeah, that guy just blew my mind.
2:32:53
SPEAKER_01: What are they called again?
2:32:54
SPEAKER_01: Uh Handbrake Hero.
2:32:55
SPEAKER_01: Handbreak Heroes.
2:32:57
SPEAKER_04: There's another one, Narrow Road.
2:33:00
SPEAKER_04: They were yeah, they were the first band that played.
2:33:02
SPEAKER_04: They were fucking incredible.
2:33:04
SPEAKER_04: Um, the other band that was in the middle of the bill that came in from Denver.
2:33:10
SPEAKER_04: The guy had his 11-year-old daughter up there freaking screaming.
2:33:14
SPEAKER_04: What?
2:33:15
SPEAKER_04: Oh shit.
2:33:16
SPEAKER_04: I cannot remember their name.
2:33:17
SPEAKER_04: They're fucking incredible though.
2:33:19
SPEAKER_04: I gotta listen to it.
2:33:19
SPEAKER_04: Is there like video of that?
2:33:20
SPEAKER_04: This is gonna bug me.
2:33:21
SPEAKER_04: Fuck.
2:33:22
SPEAKER_04: This is gonna bother me if I can't remember.
2:33:24
SPEAKER_04: I feel like a dick for not remembering.
2:33:26
SPEAKER_04: Nah, you can.
2:33:29
SPEAKER_04: But yeah, so much fun.
2:33:31
SPEAKER_04: Highly recommend if you're ever want to get a good show.
2:33:37
SPEAKER_04: That was a lot of fun.
2:33:41
SPEAKER_04: Ransom Note out of Denver.
2:33:44
SPEAKER_01: Ransom Note out of Denver.
2:33:46
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:33:46
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
2:33:47
SPEAKER_04: Uh but yeah, that was so much fun.
2:33:49
SPEAKER_04: That was that gig was not life changing, but life affirming kind of show.
2:33:54
SPEAKER_04: You go and you're just like, damn, life is good.
2:33:56
SPEAKER_04: You know, when places are like this, and I mean the places.
2:34:00
SPEAKER_04: Packed all night.
2:34:00
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:34:01
SPEAKER_04: And they're all local local bands.
2:34:02
SPEAKER_04: Really?
2:34:03
SPEAKER_04: All local bands.
2:34:04
SPEAKER_04: That's fucking awesome.
2:34:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:34:06
SPEAKER_01: The band I know from I think Denver.
2:34:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Denver was uh Undisassembled.
2:34:11
SPEAKER_01: Do you ever hear them?
2:34:12
SPEAKER_01: I think they played in the Hive.
2:34:15
SPEAKER_01: They played at the Mod.
2:34:17
SPEAKER_01: Uh shared stage with them at least twice.
2:34:21
SPEAKER_01: They stayed here.
2:34:22
SPEAKER_01: Oh, nice.
2:34:23
SPEAKER_01: One night.
2:34:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:34:24
SPEAKER_01: They sl they stayed here.
2:34:25
SPEAKER_01: They slept here.
2:34:26
SPEAKER_01: Once they played the mod, they slept here, and then they took off to the next show.
2:34:29
SPEAKER_01: They had to leave at like five in the morning.
2:34:32
SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
2:34:33
SPEAKER_01: Um great band.
2:34:36
SPEAKER_01: Holy shit.
2:34:37
SPEAKER_01: You know that that that green green day tone?
2:34:40
SPEAKER_01: That's like ding ding ding ding ding ding doo doo doo doo do do do do.
2:34:44
SPEAKER_01: They're really clean.
2:34:45
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:34:45
SPEAKER_00: I you don't hear that a lot, but when I heard their bass tone, basket case tone.
2:34:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was like, holy shit, I love that bass tone.
2:34:54
SPEAKER_01: And like my buddy Zayn was like, I like that bass tone.
2:34:57
SPEAKER_01: I was like, holy fuck.
2:34:59
SPEAKER_01: They were playing.
2:35:00
SPEAKER_01: They had this vibe shit.
2:35:01
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
2:35:02
SPEAKER_01: Them bands out of Denver, them local bands.
2:35:05
SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
2:35:05
SPEAKER_01: Right.
2:35:06
SPEAKER_01: So I believe you when you say that.
2:35:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, oh yeah.
2:35:09
SPEAKER_04: And every city has its own thing.
2:35:12
SPEAKER_04: But yeah, it's interesting to find those out of the out of the ordinary kind of places like that.
2:35:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:35:18
SPEAKER_04: And there's people, I'm sure, that come here and think the same thing also.
2:35:21
SPEAKER_04: We're very unique in our our area.
2:35:24
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:35:24
SPEAKER_04: You know, the odd amalgamation of people.
2:35:27
SPEAKER_01: People probably be like, yo, that town rocks the fuck out.
2:35:30
SPEAKER_01: Right.
2:35:31
SPEAKER_01: They can fucking play.
2:35:32
SPEAKER_01: They got their shit going.
2:35:34
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:35:34
SPEAKER_04: Yep.
2:35:35
SPEAKER_04: And I mean, that's I mean, it's there's a renaissance of it going in Shiprock, I feel.
2:35:40
SPEAKER_04: There's a lot of metal bands popping up out of there.
2:35:43
SPEAKER_01: There are.
2:35:44
SPEAKER_01: Some of them are even coming from out of town.
2:35:47
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:35:47
SPEAKER_04: Farmington again is is getting a lot of new acts.
2:35:50
SPEAKER_04: Um, yeah, man, it's just you gotta love this area.
2:35:54
SPEAKER_04: It's just yeah.
2:35:56
SPEAKER_04: You get like you get sick of the local scene and stuff like that.
2:36:00
SPEAKER_04: But no, I I just I feel like it's always changing and it keeps it entertaining.
2:36:05
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:36:06
SPEAKER_04: But yeah.
2:36:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they were saying locally, um Franklin, uh Justin, Shadow Child, everybody who was on the podcast who were like, every time we have a show all together, it's just like, hey, we're just it's just a big hangout.
2:36:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're just just going to go meet up with our buddies.
2:36:24
SPEAKER_01: Yo, how you doing?
2:36:25
SPEAKER_01: How you doing?
2:36:26
SPEAKER_01: Everybody just hanging out.
2:36:27
SPEAKER_01: And the show is like second.
2:36:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:36:29
SPEAKER_01: First, it's like, hey, we're just gonna go meet up with our buddies and hang out.
2:36:32
SPEAKER_01: I gotta go say hi to this guy real quick.
2:36:34
SPEAKER_01: I gotta go hit their their their booth.
2:36:35
SPEAKER_01: Like, we're all just hanging out first.
2:36:37
SPEAKER_01: Oh, oh, we're also playing the show, yeah.
2:36:40
SPEAKER_01: But we're also just hanging out.
2:36:41
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna be going on 30 minutes, but yeah, it's like a it's like a hangout instead.
2:36:46
SPEAKER_01: It's like you're going to go meet your family, you're gonna go meet your cousins and everything.
2:36:50
SPEAKER_01: And right, you know, it's a big hangout, and then the show is there, you know.
2:36:55
SPEAKER_01: It's it's what a lot of fans don't see.
2:36:58
SPEAKER_01: It's just like, yeah, this band's here, this band's it.
2:37:01
SPEAKER_04: Or they don't hear the gear talk that usually goes on.
2:37:04
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:37:07
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, it keeps advancing.
2:37:08
SPEAKER_01: That's what I love about it.
2:37:10
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
2:37:10
SPEAKER_04: Oh, it's always changing, always evolving.
2:37:12
SPEAKER_04: There's always gonna be something to talk about.
2:37:15
SPEAKER_01: You know, a little more advanced, a little less.
2:37:17
SPEAKER_04: Yep.
2:37:18
SPEAKER_04: Giving uh giving eyes of a killer shit because of their Kemper, you know.
2:37:24
SPEAKER_04: Oh my god.
2:37:26
SPEAKER_04: I have a Kemper.
2:37:27
SPEAKER_04: I know.
2:37:28
SPEAKER_04: I I don't give a shit either way.
2:37:32
SPEAKER_04: It's gear is gear.
2:37:35
SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
2:37:35
SPEAKER_04: It's gear.
2:37:36
SPEAKER_04: Gear is gear.
2:37:37
SPEAKER_04: It gets the job done.
2:37:39
SPEAKER_04: I know there's those guys I know that were just like they're peerists for the the tube amps and shit like that.
2:37:47
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:37:48
SPEAKER_04: So you have back problems, huh?
2:37:50
SPEAKER_04: So you can't carry that in.
2:37:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:37:52
SPEAKER_01: There was that there was that post of the of the people, what was it?
2:37:56
SPEAKER_01: Um, the old Save by the Bill.
2:37:57
SPEAKER_01: Have you ever seen Save by the Bill where they're carrying in?
2:38:00
SPEAKER_01: And it says people carrying in, and it shows um a uh cab, a four-speaker cab, and they're just like carrying in this gig when you're in your 35.
2:38:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that girl's like stupid, dumb, absolutely ridiculous.
2:38:18
SPEAKER_00: Like that.
2:38:18
SPEAKER_00: I was like, holy shit.
2:38:20
SPEAKER_00: Where's that?
2:38:23
SPEAKER_04: Damn.
2:38:24
SPEAKER_04: Time flies.
2:38:25
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:38:30
SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
2:38:31
SPEAKER_01: That that would that was pretty funny.
2:38:33
SPEAKER_01: That was the whole uh what's it called?
2:38:35
SPEAKER_01: Save by the bell.
2:38:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:38:38
SPEAKER_04: But yeah, I see that thing recently.
2:38:39
SPEAKER_04: It was like musicians don't age, we just get lighter equipment.
2:38:44
SPEAKER_04: That's true.
2:38:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
2:38:46
SPEAKER_01: I was I was thinking that.
2:38:48
SPEAKER_01: Um I was looking at that because uh Justin from from Eyes, um, he had an orange cab and it was only a two-speaker, and I was just like, oh wow, that looks fucking cool.
2:39:00
SPEAKER_01: And in my head, I was like, that looks so much easier to carry than a four-speaker.
2:39:05
SPEAKER_01: It wasn't until later I saw that post, you know, carrying a four-cab, like a speaker, four-speaker cab through that person was like, dumb.
2:39:15
SPEAKER_01: Stupid, ridiculous.
2:39:17
SPEAKER_00: I was just like, God, is that what's happening?
2:39:20
SPEAKER_00: Is it weird that I actually think that's a good idea?
2:39:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're right.
2:39:23
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, no.
2:39:24
SPEAKER_00: It plays good.
2:39:26
SPEAKER_04: Well, I found out the hard way this last one of the last shows we did at the mod.
2:39:30
SPEAKER_04: I took out a little bit larger of a drum kit than you usually do.
2:39:34
SPEAKER_04: Um, so I had a two tom set up and one on the floor, which is just one extra tom than I usually do with that band.
2:39:42
SPEAKER_04: But and I, you know, I just wanted to try something.
2:39:44
SPEAKER_04: And man, it like ergonomically, it just like changed how I played those songs.
2:39:49
SPEAKER_04: I was so fucking sore afterwards, and like, god damn, I'm getting old.
2:39:54
SPEAKER_04: I gotta, I gotta think about things like ergonomics and loadout and yeah, all that good kind of shit now.
2:40:02
SPEAKER_04: Um, it's just funny because before I just throw the you know, two bass drums, three toms, two toms here, you know, whole cymbal setup.
2:40:10
SPEAKER_04: Being a big rev fan, I needed two rides too.
2:40:13
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and shit like that.
2:40:15
SPEAKER_04: It's just so funny to look at back at those and be like, God, how dumb was I! And of course, I'm feeling it now that I'm getting older.
2:40:24
SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, the lack of of technique and posture in these things that you don't think about when you're younger, it comes back to get you because I played with horrible posture and horrible technique for the longest time.
2:40:38
SPEAKER_04: I wanted to play through the fucking drum, you know.
2:40:41
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, comes back to get you because it's in my hands.
2:40:44
SPEAKER_01: That's that's um, that's what John was talking about with system of a down.
2:40:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:40:49
SPEAKER_01: They were trying to play question.
2:40:51
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
2:40:52
SPEAKER_01: And that's on question, and they did it live and they messed up twice.
2:40:56
SPEAKER_01: It's so the very guitar's ring YouTube, yeah.
2:40:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then he was doing a live, I think it was on TikTok or YouTube or somewhere.
2:41:04
SPEAKER_01: He was playing live.
2:41:05
SPEAKER_01: He was just in his house with the drums, and he's like, All right, if you think you can play this song, and there wasn't a whole lot of people, and I had my guitar, and I was like, I should go live with him.
2:41:15
SPEAKER_01: Holy shit, I should go live.
2:41:16
SPEAKER_01: He's like, You gotta guys, you guys gotta know the song.
2:41:19
SPEAKER_01: And he's like, He was trying to play.
2:41:20
SPEAKER_01: He's like, Guess what song is this?
2:41:22
SPEAKER_01: He was playing a guest a song.
2:41:23
SPEAKER_01: I knew every song, every system of downs, my my heart, yeah, everything.
2:41:28
SPEAKER_01: But he was like, Keep in mind, I can't keep up because dude, we played this with a click, and I was maybe like 15 years younger.
2:41:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
2:41:36
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, dude.
2:41:38
SPEAKER_01: He was saying that, and you were just like, Oh man, he's like, Oh, he was going live with people, and people were like, Oh, hell yeah.
2:41:45
SPEAKER_01: And they didn't know the songs, and I was like, Oh man, yeah, dude, it's real.
2:41:51
SPEAKER_04: Wear and tear is real.
2:41:53
SPEAKER_04: I had gotten a massage done at one point, and uh the lady worked on my shoulder, she was like, Yeah, I I've worked on like professional baseball players and stuff like that.
2:42:02
SPEAKER_04: Your shoulders are like that.
2:42:04
SPEAKER_04: Oh old retired baseball players, the wear and tear and your tendons and stuff.
2:42:09
SPEAKER_04: She's like, Yeah, you have it, but you have it in both shoulders.
2:42:12
SPEAKER_04: It's like, yeah, I fucking believe it.
2:42:14
SPEAKER_04: Why do you think I'm here?
2:42:16
SPEAKER_04: But yeah, man, wear and tear, it's real.
2:42:18
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, you you that's a cool thing about playing music for a long time is you learn to work around it.
2:42:24
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:42:25
SPEAKER_04: You find out what your limitations are.
2:42:26
SPEAKER_04: If that means a smaller drum kit, then so be it.
2:42:30
SPEAKER_04: You know, you it it causes me.
2:42:32
SPEAKER_04: I look at it the bright side is it causes you to learn your parts with more imagination.
2:42:37
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:42:38
SPEAKER_04: So you don't have a bunch of shit around you to play off of and stuff like that.
2:42:41
SPEAKER_04: You can kind of break it and provide.
2:42:43
SPEAKER_04: Can you do those things with just two, you know?
2:42:45
SPEAKER_01: What what what what's the smallest you've ever narrowed your drum set down to?
2:42:49
SPEAKER_04: Uh, I think there was a gig, the few gigs were it's just uh snare uh bass drum and one floor tom.
2:42:56
SPEAKER_04: And maybe one or two symbols.
2:42:58
SPEAKER_04: Really?
2:42:59
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:42:59
SPEAKER_04: And that's you for like an acoustic, you know, setting or um yeah.
2:43:05
SPEAKER_04: If I'm playing like the old honky tonk stuff with my boy Brandon Crandall, you know, that's usually my get up.
2:43:11
SPEAKER_04: Um I'll set my kit up to to the you know, the band I'm playing with.
2:43:17
SPEAKER_04: Oh, that's awesome.
2:43:18
SPEAKER_04: Nothing beats the one tom, one floor tom.
2:43:22
SPEAKER_04: It's good.
2:43:23
SPEAKER_04: One of the drum kits I have is I'm a big Led Zeppelin fan, so drum bonum, you know, I have a drum bottom type drum kit, or it's a 26-inch drum kit beastly thing, but man, it is you feel it after you get done playing because you have to spread out a little bit more to play that thing.
2:43:41
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, um, and yeah, it's it's funny.
2:43:44
SPEAKER_04: I'm sure Derek Joe is the same way.
2:43:47
SPEAKER_04: You look at his kit, he's very minimalistic, but man, he's fucking he's surgical, you know.
2:43:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I've never seen that man fuck up.
2:43:55
SPEAKER_04: Ever.
2:43:56
SPEAKER_04: I've never even even if he was fucking up, I'd you never would have something the most beautiful fuck up you'd ever see, man.
2:44:02
SPEAKER_04: But yeah, it's it's causes you to play with more imagination when it's like that, I feel um.
2:44:07
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, as older as I'm getting, it's you're finding you're still learning.
2:44:12
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:44:13
SPEAKER_04: Still learning how to play.
2:44:14
SPEAKER_01: I'm still learning how to play.
2:44:15
SPEAKER_01: Holy shit.
2:44:16
SPEAKER_01: I've been playing since 1999.
2:44:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:44:20
SPEAKER_01: When I first started.
2:44:21
SPEAKER_01: That's when I first started.
2:44:22
SPEAKER_01: I was nine years old in 1999.
2:44:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:44:24
SPEAKER_01: So that's Paint It Black was my first song I ever learned.
2:44:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:44:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:44:28
SPEAKER_01: And it wasn't, I wasn't even playing it right, but it was the right.
2:44:31
SPEAKER_01: It was the like that's what you were playing.
2:44:33
SPEAKER_01: Price was right.
2:44:37
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, oh, cool, I learned a song.
2:44:39
SPEAKER_01: It wasn't the way you play it.
2:44:40
SPEAKER_01: I eventually learned it going like this with two fingers.
2:44:45
SPEAKER_01: But you know, 1999, that was the time.
2:44:48
SPEAKER_01: Heck yeah.
2:44:49
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I think I got going about the year after that, uh, actually playing with people.
2:44:54
SPEAKER_04: Um my boy Monty, CM for life.
2:44:59
SPEAKER_04: He yeah, he made friends in like fifth grade, and then yeah, we he played guitar and I happened to have a drum kit.
2:45:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:45:07
SPEAKER_04: And yeah, we sat together and just played inner sandman.
2:45:10
SPEAKER_04: That's all we then we learned wherever you may run or wherever I may rum.
2:45:16
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:45:17
SPEAKER_04: But yeah, man, it's funny to see how far you go from that to you know.
2:45:21
SPEAKER_04: Those are some pretty bouncy songs to play.
2:45:24
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, shit.
2:45:27
SPEAKER_01: Um, I said I'm not entirely huge on Metallica, but that's like the near.
2:45:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, shit like that.
2:45:42
SPEAKER_01: I can fucking I would love to jam to that.
2:45:45
SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm not big on Metallica.
2:45:46
SPEAKER_01: I posted a video of me playing Metallica um Four Horsemen.
2:45:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:45:50
SPEAKER_01: The solo, the end solo.
2:45:52
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
2:45:52
SPEAKER_01: And I nailed it once I got it.
2:45:54
SPEAKER_01: It's on my it's on my Instagram page.
2:45:56
SPEAKER_01: And I wrote, I don't normally play Metallica, but when I do, I don't.
2:45:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:46:01
SPEAKER_01: And I I I learned it.
2:46:02
SPEAKER_01: And that shit was fun, you know.
2:46:04
SPEAKER_04: I I never thought I'd learn Metallica, but a lot of cats are aged.
2:46:08
SPEAKER_04: That was like their introduction, you know.
2:46:10
SPEAKER_04: Not mine was A C D C.
2:46:11
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, definitely.
2:46:12
SPEAKER_04: It it comes in different forms or another, but uh, there's a common one, you know?
2:46:16
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:46:16
SPEAKER_04: People get in those tab books or you know, shit like that.
2:46:19
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, there's those pivotal bands like that.
2:46:21
SPEAKER_04: A C D C.
2:46:22
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and it was a big one.
2:46:23
SPEAKER_01: In high school, I had an ACDC book.
2:46:26
SPEAKER_01: I had The Ventures, you know, the Surfer music.
2:46:31
SPEAKER_01: Surfer music.
2:46:32
SPEAKER_01: I had The Ventures.
2:46:33
SPEAKER_01: I had uh the tribute Aussie Osborne.
2:46:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I learned the D.
2:46:37
SPEAKER_04: That's a good book to look at.
2:46:38
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I'm trying to learn.
2:46:40
SPEAKER_01: D, I learned Crazy Train, I learned all that, and I had another one where he was Aussie was just like this.
2:46:45
SPEAKER_01: I learned Bark at the Moon and all the Aussie songs, the main Aussie songs, not the Black Sabbath, but all the main stuff.
2:46:52
SPEAKER_01: And then um I had City of Evil.
2:46:55
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
2:46:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I had Tenacious D.
2:46:59
SPEAKER_01: I learned all kinds of shit.
2:47:01
SPEAKER_01: And I was just like, oh wow, yeah.
2:47:03
SPEAKER_01: Stevie Ray Vaughn.
2:47:04
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
2:47:05
SPEAKER_01: I had some Stevie Ray Vaughn books.
2:47:07
SPEAKER_01: I didn't really have them.
2:47:08
SPEAKER_01: I took them from my buddy.
2:47:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:47:10
SPEAKER_01: He wasn't gonna play them anyway.
2:47:12
SPEAKER_01: The way I saw it, but yeah.
2:47:14
SPEAKER_04: Drums are more interesting because we didn't have tab books and stuff like that to learn.
2:47:19
SPEAKER_04: It is just like you learned just what you were hearing, you know.
2:47:23
SPEAKER_04: I think that's probably how I got as good as I am, because I would just put the radio on.
2:47:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:47:27
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and play to the radio, or just play to whatever my dad had playing.
2:47:31
SPEAKER_01: That's a different kind of skill, though, how you pick it up.
2:47:34
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
2:47:34
SPEAKER_04: It's it's very primitive, but still very, you know, it's very effective, you know, just playing, you know, figuring figuring it out.
2:47:44
SPEAKER_04: It's the same thing as sitting down with a book and reading, you know, reading and implanting it here.
2:47:49
SPEAKER_04: But uh yeah, to be able to feel it and let it back out, you know.
2:47:52
SPEAKER_01: It's it's been years since I've done that.
2:47:55
SPEAKER_01: And I I was thinking about that just the past two months when I was learning the nobody solo by Event Sevenfold.
2:48:03
SPEAKER_01: I was like, how did I sit here and learn, you know, Beast and the Harlot and Batcountry and all them songs, yeah, you know, note by note little by little with just a book.
2:48:22
SPEAKER_01: And I'm trying to follow along on YouTube where they're like showing me on YouTube.
2:48:27
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, this is boring.
2:48:29
SPEAKER_01: Fast forward.
2:48:30
SPEAKER_01: Fast forward.
2:48:30
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, how did I sit there?
2:48:32
SPEAKER_01: I must have really wanted to do it just by looking at a book with nobody showing me, listening to the recording.
2:48:37
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, this is boring.
2:48:40
SPEAKER_01: God, I don't want to do this.
2:48:41
SPEAKER_01: Can I just know it?
2:48:43
SPEAKER_01: Can I just learn it?
2:48:44
SPEAKER_00: Can I just can I just play it?
2:48:46
SPEAKER_01: No, I had to sit there.
2:48:47
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, you did it a long time ago.
2:48:49
SPEAKER_01: You could do it now.
2:48:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just gotta flesh it out.
2:48:51
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
2:48:52
SPEAKER_01: And then I was like, learn it slow.
2:48:54
SPEAKER_01: Because I I tell people every time I'm teaching somebody like my girl, I teach her how to play guitar all the time.
2:49:00
SPEAKER_01: And then the thing that I tell her is like, just do it really slow.
2:49:05
SPEAKER_01: And once you learn slow, after that, just sit there and play along with that slow portion.
2:49:10
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, you'll get it.
2:49:12
SPEAKER_01: And she learned it, she learned some bass guitar, she learned some regular guitar and all of that.
2:49:17
SPEAKER_01: And I'm just like, Ryan, take your own advice.
2:49:19
SPEAKER_01: Come on.
2:49:21
SPEAKER_01: Like, come on, take your own advice, go slow.
2:49:24
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, practice what you preach.
2:49:26
SPEAKER_00: I can play the shit out of a guitar, but why can't I fucking play this?
2:49:29
SPEAKER_01: But I'm like, oh, but yeah.
2:49:31
SPEAKER_04: Heck yeah.
2:49:33
SPEAKER_04: I know uh recently, well, it's back a while back.
2:49:36
SPEAKER_04: I remember being in the car with my mom and Avenge Sevenfold was playing or whatever, we're talking about she's like, you can you still play like that?
2:49:43
SPEAKER_04: It's like I don't know.
2:49:49
SPEAKER_04: It's like, damn, yeah.
2:49:51
SPEAKER_04: It's and and then once you learn it, you gotta keep it up.
2:49:55
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, it's yeah, it's very much, yeah.
2:49:57
SPEAKER_04: We um a few years back we did a Sabbath type project.
2:50:03
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:50:04
SPEAKER_04: Um, we called it Drake Sabbath.
2:50:06
SPEAKER_04: We had Logan from Flesh Weaver, yeah, and then his brother is my guitar player, Dylan.
2:50:13
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, and then our boy Jeremiah was picked up the bass for that project, and we just played, you know, Sabbath and stuff like that, or Aussie tunes and stuff like that.
2:50:23
SPEAKER_04: And like it was funny because we didn't practice at all before that, we just learned the songs, and then when we got together for the the gig or whatever, just like you guys know the song, you know, kind of thing.
2:50:35
SPEAKER_04: But it's during that, it was so much fun because it was like exercising muscles you don't realize you got you're you're essentially learning the song on the fly with everybody else, but you know the song, uh-huh.
2:50:46
SPEAKER_04: So playing into the void, you know, it's like, damn, do I know this?
2:50:49
SPEAKER_04: And then we start playing.
2:50:50
SPEAKER_04: It's like, oh okay, there it is.
2:50:51
SPEAKER_04: There it yeah, it's like an untapped memory, you know.
2:50:54
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that was fun, man.
2:50:56
SPEAKER_04: I want to do that again.
2:50:57
SPEAKER_04: That's like an awesome one-off show.
2:50:59
SPEAKER_04: We just did one show and never did it again.
2:51:02
SPEAKER_04: I want to do it again.
2:51:04
SPEAKER_04: Um, especially with Aussie material, man.
2:51:06
SPEAKER_04: I think everybody's doing that right now.
2:51:07
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, everybody's found that new that old love for Aussie.
2:51:11
SPEAKER_04: Um, I know like playback circus.
2:51:15
SPEAKER_04: They're the closest I've seen to be able to pull off Aussie shit.
2:51:19
SPEAKER_04: Like Ramil fucking is an incredible player, you know.
2:51:22
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:51:23
SPEAKER_01: He makes that shit look easy.
2:51:24
SPEAKER_01: And then do um Bark at the Moon.
2:51:26
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
2:51:27
SPEAKER_04: It's like, holy shit, dude.
2:51:29
SPEAKER_04: Dude, I've seen like bands like Escape the Badlands, Carl Dalton ripping out the fucking Mr.
2:51:36
SPEAKER_04: Crowley solo like nothing.
2:51:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:51:40
SPEAKER_00: There was one that played a luck street just a couple weeks ago.
2:51:43
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:51:43
SPEAKER_00: Two weeks ago?
2:51:44
SPEAKER_00: Is that them?
2:51:45
SPEAKER_01: I think so.
2:51:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sounds about right.
2:51:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they were they were playing all the fucking songs.
2:51:49
SPEAKER_01: They were playing Kiss, they were playing Ozzy, they were playing Molly Crew.
2:51:53
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
2:51:54
SPEAKER_01: Is that them?
2:51:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, their whole set list is bangers.
2:51:57
SPEAKER_01: Holy shit.
2:51:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, everybody was there too.
2:51:59
SPEAKER_01: Uh Logan was there, uh, Tony was there, everybody was there.
2:52:03
SPEAKER_01: Bradshaw.
2:52:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they were all there.
2:52:05
SPEAKER_01: Heck yeah.
2:52:05
SPEAKER_01: I was just talking about that.
2:52:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was yeah, but I was in the parking lot.
2:52:10
SPEAKER_01: Right.
2:52:11
SPEAKER_00: My lady was like, I don't really want to go in.
2:52:13
SPEAKER_00: I was like, okay, we can chill out here.
2:52:16
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, dude, they put on a good fucking show.
2:52:18
SPEAKER_04: They did.
2:52:19
SPEAKER_04: Holy crap.
2:52:21
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:52:21
SPEAKER_04: They song after song is just like, fuck yeah.
2:52:24
SPEAKER_04: Fuck yeah.
2:52:25
SPEAKER_04: Fuck yeah.
2:52:27
SPEAKER_01: Uh that's fucking awesome, though.
2:52:31
SPEAKER_01: What time is it?
2:52:33
SPEAKER_01: I don't even know.
2:52:35
SPEAKER_04: 9 26.
2:52:37
SPEAKER_01: Holy shit.
2:52:38
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
2:52:38
SPEAKER_01: Well, I think we should bring this thing in.
2:52:40
SPEAKER_01: It doesn't even feel like it was that long, huh?
2:52:42
SPEAKER_01: No, not at all.
2:52:43
unknown: Yeah, bullshit.
2:52:45
SPEAKER_01: Alrighty.
2:52:46
SPEAKER_01: Well, do you want to give any shout-outs to anybody?
2:52:49
SPEAKER_01: You can shout out to anybody you want.
2:52:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:52:51
SPEAKER_01: Bands, people, music.
2:52:53
SPEAKER_04: All my places, shit, everywhere.
2:52:57
SPEAKER_04: Um, I mean, all these local bands that are out killing it right now, man.
2:53:02
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:53:02
SPEAKER_04: So it's inspiring to see.
2:53:04
SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's cool to see you bringing up guys that don't necessarily have a microphone in their face.
2:53:11
SPEAKER_04: Um the Derek Joe, and we're always sitting in the back, you know.
2:53:16
SPEAKER_04: Um yeah.
2:53:17
SPEAKER_01: As the folks that I talk to in the back.
2:53:20
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
2:53:22
SPEAKER_04: We're a fringe society, man.
2:53:23
SPEAKER_04: So we appreciate you and and everything you're doing for the local scene.
2:53:26
SPEAKER_04: And it's so fun to just be part of it again as well.
2:53:30
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, like, oh my gosh.
2:53:32
SPEAKER_04: Even if it's a very small, you know, 30-minute set, that means the world to me, you know, to be able to play for an audience, you know.
2:53:39
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:53:39
SPEAKER_04: To have that outlet.
2:53:40
SPEAKER_04: It's something you you often take for granted, but it's a it's a gift beyond compare, you know.
2:53:47
SPEAKER_04: So to have that and share that with other people, it's pretty fun, man.
2:53:50
SPEAKER_04: So we appreciate, yeah, you having this, this outlet, and yeah, all the local homies and all my bandmates that carry my ass.
2:54:01
SPEAKER_01: Let's let's throw some band names out there.
2:54:03
SPEAKER_01: Hundred Year Flood.
2:54:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:54:04
SPEAKER_01: Old school jinking.
2:54:06
SPEAKER_01: Watch this world burn.
2:54:08
SPEAKER_01: Any homie bands you want to recon recognize?
2:54:11
SPEAKER_01: Dude, Heart Museum.
2:54:12
SPEAKER_01: Heart Museum.
2:54:13
SPEAKER_01: They're Flesh Weaver, Eyes of a Killer.
2:54:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:54:16
SPEAKER_01: Last night.
2:54:17
SPEAKER_01: Oh shit.
2:54:18
SPEAKER_01: Then the new all those bands.
2:54:19
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:54:20
SPEAKER_04: What consumes you is a new one.
2:54:21
SPEAKER_04: I've been watching.
2:54:22
SPEAKER_04: Yes! They're my boys, and I'm playing with most of them certainly.
2:54:26
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:54:27
SPEAKER_04: Um, go follow all of them.
2:54:28
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, escape to bad lands.
2:54:30
SPEAKER_04: Escape to Badlands.
2:54:31
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, uh, morbid justice.
2:54:32
SPEAKER_04: They're still there, they're still here, you know.
2:54:36
SPEAKER_04: We room for them.
2:54:37
SPEAKER_04: Very excited for that.
2:54:38
SPEAKER_04: Um, yeah, dude.
2:54:41
SPEAKER_04: Just everybody.
2:54:44
SPEAKER_04: Um and then even music shops, man.
2:54:47
SPEAKER_04: Jimmy's up in Durango.
2:54:49
SPEAKER_04: Um, John Pascal always doing his shit.
2:54:52
SPEAKER_04: Mainstream music.
2:54:53
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
2:54:53
SPEAKER_01: Keep I was gonna ask him if he wanted to do a podcast episode.
2:54:57
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I think he feels I feel like he would be a little reluctant, but he would be the most entertaining guest.
2:55:03
SPEAKER_01: He's got one of the voices to do it.
2:55:04
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, that too.
2:55:05
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
2:55:07
SPEAKER_01: You know, yeah, like oh god, yeah.
2:55:09
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, these music shops, man.
2:55:11
SPEAKER_04: I mean, they're they're important.
2:55:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's easier to order off Amazon.
2:55:14
SPEAKER_01: He's been there since forever.
2:55:16
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:55:17
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
2:55:18
SPEAKER_01: John from Main Street.
2:55:19
SPEAKER_04: Holy shit.
2:55:20
SPEAKER_04: Yep.
2:55:20
SPEAKER_04: I remember him working Moon's music when I was a kid, too.
2:55:24
SPEAKER_04: Where was that at?
2:55:25
SPEAKER_04: That was over like behind it was over by Bolera Lane's.
2:55:28
SPEAKER_04: What?
2:55:29
SPEAKER_04: Behind the Sonic I think it was it wasn't there very long, but I remember that one.
2:55:34
SPEAKER_01: I know what I I don't even remember.
2:55:35
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I remember my sister getting your violin repair there and him working there.
2:55:39
SPEAKER_01: Whoa.
2:55:39
SPEAKER_04: And then yeah, when he got Main Street.
2:55:41
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, man, shout out to those guys.
2:55:44
SPEAKER_04: Shout out.
2:55:45
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they helped the local scene too.
2:55:47
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, again, Amazon's easy and shit like that to order from, but yeah, going and trying your gear before you play it or before you buy it.
2:55:55
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's huge, man.
2:55:56
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, shout out to those guys.
2:56:00
SPEAKER_01: I want to give a a shout out to uh Curly, who's got her her shop, my old co-host.
2:56:06
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
2:56:09
SPEAKER_01: I still consider her my co-host if she ever decides to come back.
2:56:14
SPEAKER_01: The the spot.
2:56:15
SPEAKER_01: It's called The Spot in Farmington.
2:56:18
SPEAKER_01: Nice.
2:56:18
SPEAKER_01: It's on Instagram.
2:56:19
SPEAKER_01: It's called The Spot.
2:56:20
SPEAKER_01: You just go follow Curly and it's called The Spot.
2:56:24
SPEAKER_01: It's downtown, uh inspired moments area.
2:56:27
SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
2:56:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
2:56:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
2:56:28
SPEAKER_01: And go get a haircut from there.
2:56:30
SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
2:56:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:56:32
SPEAKER_01: And um to everybody who's just a listener, you know, this is fucking dope.
2:56:38
SPEAKER_00: And I'm glad to have you on the podcast, dude.
2:56:40
SPEAKER_04: I appreciate you having me.
2:56:42
SPEAKER_00: I know.
2:56:43
SPEAKER_04: I never would have thought in a million years I would do something like that, but I appreciate it, man.
2:56:47
SPEAKER_04: And also the guys who recommended me as well.
2:56:49
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah!
2:56:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, everyone was like excited.
2:56:52
SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, they were excited that you're gonna have your own episode.
2:56:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can be this own episode.
2:56:57
SPEAKER_01: Hell yeah.
2:56:57
SPEAKER_01: That's exciting.
2:56:58
SPEAKER_01: That makes me feel cool.
2:56:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you are cool, dude.
2:57:01
SPEAKER_01: You're in there, you are in the scene, you are there, dude.
2:57:04
SPEAKER_04: I appreciate that.
2:57:05
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it doesn't feel like it, but people know.
2:57:07
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
2:57:08
SPEAKER_04: And that's yeah, when your peers can recognize what you do and you know, recommend you for stuff like that.
2:57:13
SPEAKER_04: That's pretty fucking cool.
2:57:14
SPEAKER_04: That makes me feel pretty special.
2:57:16
SPEAKER_02: Hell yeah, dude.
2:57:17
SPEAKER_04: Um, so yeah, shout out to them, man.
2:57:19
SPEAKER_04: Shadow, shadow child, shout out Baby D, Justin Hale, those guys out doing their shit.
2:57:25
SPEAKER_04: And I mean, they're traveling too.
2:57:27
SPEAKER_04: Treaty also is another band I want to shout out, dude.
2:57:30
SPEAKER_04: They're a fucking awesome band.
2:57:32
SPEAKER_01: You know, I'll fuck down.
2:57:34
SPEAKER_01: I was learning some of Treaty's songs.
2:57:36
SPEAKER_01: I yeah, um, I was texting Justin like almost probably last year, maybe, or maybe in January.
2:57:42
SPEAKER_01: I don't remember.
2:57:43
SPEAKER_01: He needed somebody to fill in.
2:57:45
SPEAKER_01: Uh I bought the mammoth strings for my guitar.
2:57:49
SPEAKER_00: Those things are fucking fat.
2:57:52
SPEAKER_00: I know why.
2:57:52
SPEAKER_01: He called himself Chug Nasty.
2:57:55
SPEAKER_01: You know, those strings are fucking huge.
2:57:58
SPEAKER_01: I put them on my Avenger and I was like, like standard tuning is C tuning in that shit.
2:58:04
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, I'm sure.
2:58:05
SPEAKER_01: It's like holy shit.
2:58:07
SPEAKER_04: But yeah, oh yeah, you power your house with those freaking things, dude.
2:58:11
SPEAKER_04: They're like that fucking big.
2:58:13
SPEAKER_01: Yes, sir.
2:58:14
SPEAKER_01: Like, shout out to Treaty.
2:58:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Treaty's fucking awesome.
2:58:19
SPEAKER_04: Um Mark Curly up in Denver.
2:58:22
SPEAKER_04: I mean, he's also another one.
2:58:23
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he's Mark Ambrand and Tribus and their whole crew, they're out doing great things.
2:58:29
SPEAKER_04: Um, yeah.
2:58:33
SPEAKER_01: Under exile.
2:58:34
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, under exile.
2:58:35
SPEAKER_04: Oh my god, dude.
2:58:36
SPEAKER_04: I can't believe that.
2:58:37
SPEAKER_04: Cross, you know, hell.
2:58:40
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, dude.
2:58:41
SPEAKER_04: Fucking beast of a drummer, man.
2:58:43
SPEAKER_04: Beast.
2:58:44
SPEAKER_04: Um yeah, those guys, uh, yeah, all the flowers they receive, they deserve it.
2:58:51
SPEAKER_04: They're out there doing the work.
2:58:52
SPEAKER_04: They're on the road, they're doing it.
2:58:55
SPEAKER_04: They got music.
2:58:55
SPEAKER_04: They're on X, they're on Sirius XM.
2:58:57
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they got in endorsements, and it's it's deserved because they're fucking putting in work.
2:59:02
SPEAKER_04: They're just out there just doing it.
2:59:04
SPEAKER_04: They're fucking working, they're doing, you know.
2:59:06
SPEAKER_01: It's going.
2:59:07
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, exactly.
2:59:08
SPEAKER_01: Their merch is amazing too.
2:59:09
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but that shit just doesn't sell itself.
2:59:11
SPEAKER_04: You gotta work, you gotta, you know, you gotta put in the work, and they're doing it, dude.
2:59:15
SPEAKER_04: So that's inspiring to see that a band from this area can go out and go do great things.
2:59:21
SPEAKER_04: Because I remember being, you know, like a younger guy and feeling like I was doing that too.
2:59:26
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, I know they're loving it, and that's all you could hope for.
2:59:29
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they you know, and same with the other bands that are out playing, man.
2:59:33
SPEAKER_04: They're doing it with love, respect, and dignity.
2:59:35
SPEAKER_04: And that's fucking tell yeah, dude.
2:59:38
SPEAKER_04: Fucking do it.
2:59:39
SPEAKER_04: Fuck yeah, that's real, though.
2:59:41
SPEAKER_04: No other reason to just do it, you know, especially around here.
2:59:45
SPEAKER_04: What else we got, you know?
2:59:47
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, for red elves.
2:59:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we know them.
2:59:50
SPEAKER_01: We know a band that came from New Mexico.
2:59:53
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, definitely.
2:59:55
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, shout out.
2:59:57
SPEAKER_04: Shout out to them.
2:59:58
SPEAKER_01: Hell yeah, man.
2:59:59
SPEAKER_01: Well, thanks, Dugan, for coming on to the podcast.
3:00:02
SPEAKER_01: Appreciate you, brother.
3:00:03
SPEAKER_01: It's been a damn good episode.
3:00:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man.
3:00:05
SPEAKER_01: Uh, maybe we can do this again sometime.
3:00:07
SPEAKER_01: Definitely.
3:00:08
SPEAKER_01: I'll definitely come out to come see 100 year old school or watch this world burn.
3:00:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man.
3:00:14
SPEAKER_01: And if anybody else is out there, check them out.
3:00:17
SPEAKER_01: Go follow them and all of that.
3:00:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
3:00:19
SPEAKER_01: Appreciate you, brother.
3:00:20
SPEAKER_01: Hell yeah.
3:00:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
3:00:21
SPEAKER_01: So this is how we end it.
3:00:23
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna say bye the silliest, loudest voice you can in three, two, one.
3:00:32
SPEAKER_00: I think I'll use my normal voice better.
3:00:37
SPEAKER_02: Let's grab a train.
3:00:41
SPEAKER_02: We'll talk about music and shoot the shit.