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Jack Hatcher | The Christian Reeve Podcast #166 · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Christian read
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  podcast. But it's not just any episode
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  today. We have good friend of the show.
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  Good personal friend, me me. Is that I can't speak.
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  His name is Calamity. Hatcher animals, Jack Hatcher,
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  welcome to the show. You're sick appearance on the
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  show. Welcome, is, is it's my first
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  appearances, actually. I was a wee.
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  Drop the Calamity. Oh, oh well.
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  Okay, it was kind of random but we won't.
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  I say we like theirs. Multiple people behind the
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  season, I decided that everyone knows me as Hatcher that
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  everyone in my life, cause me Hatcher.
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  I really, I was like, well, why am I distinguishing between the
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  two? Because this channel is just me
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  in a nutshell. So let's shake Browning.
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  The only thing I didn't realize it is after doing this, there
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  are a lot of other hatches on YouTube, and it makes me harder
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  to find. And so there wasn't the best
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  idea in that regard, but I like it.
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  I think it's just more open system.
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  My assistant Leon And that's about the time I was looking
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  for. It's interesting with I believe
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  either we spoke about what I think we actually spoke about
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  this. The last time you run this on
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  the shoe and you took it about kind of rebranding and moving
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  slightly away from the Sonic story.
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  And that's always going to be a big part of what you are about
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  what you enjoy and stuff, but you would sort of saying, like,
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  you want to play a lot of different things, online and
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  demonstrate you can do other things and, you know, I think
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  it's the logical move really. You've got to do it sometimes.
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  Yeah. I mean I will always love Sonic
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  the Hedgehog. It's you know, it's length
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  discourse of my 29-year life, you know, it's completely
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  without me even realizing it made the foundations and led me
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  the entire way through my life to create a new YouTube channel
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  to Now give me have in my dream job and it's crazy.
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  But I mean, you know me, on a personal level, there is a lot
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  more stuff. I'm into like, you know, I'm as
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  big a Marvel fan as I am a Sonic fan.
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  I love Kingdom Hearts. I love Avatar.
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  I love D, sing and I started these the movies.
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  But I will be getting some the channel at some point but like
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  there's lots of things like that.
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  I love I definitely gets talked about like, for instance, what
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  would you say my favorite TV show is Oh God, I'll get
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  actually there's two that take the top place together.
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  Right now that's help right now. Yeah it's how it's been out for
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  a while. How long as they see both of
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  them will say the past 20 years, both of them.
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  Supernatural. Now you Phi, Phi not, you might
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  get it so because it's completely light.
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  Left field really nice. Oh yes, you know that man that
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  they're smashing is still come on, it's nice to see them.
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  Come back and blow everything up with Disney anymore and he's
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  like two number ones worldwide. I was like okay yeah cool I say
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  this much weight there solo stuff is really good.
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  Yeah I enjoyed that sort of stuff.
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  But I'll give you the answer going to my two favorite TV
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  shows of all time. Ah How I Met Your Mother and
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  these are not things. You would think of me
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  necessarily from looking at my channel, I can work.
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  Okay, fair enough. I was gonna say knowing you, I
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  think How I Met Your Mother does make sense.
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  But maybe there's a shout out to my friend, Ben will freeze L
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  friend of ours who started this with me a teenager's oh really?
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  We were both obsessed. With How I Met Your Mother when
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  we were teenagers. And it's just stuck with me ever
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  since explains a lot about been just kind of got into it.
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  I love it. I think it's a fantastic show as
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  well. It's not kind of one of the few
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  remaining things that keeps my hopes up of eventually finding
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  somebody. It's yeah.
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  But, you know II, it's literally, I always say to
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  people like my life story is, is kind of like tents, not like
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  event.prevent b4b, but like, same general, like my I just
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  have a lot of Ted in me. Then I've come to realize as an
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  adult like as I've grown up in my life.
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  I am an amalgamation of all three main characters.
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  Like I have a lot of Martial attributes are not particularly
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  Tool or anything like that. But I have a lot of, like,
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  martial arts abuse in like my my emotional side and things like
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  that. And I have a lot of Barney and
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  sense of my humor. I'm not saying that I am play a
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  player King of New York City, but you know, like I have my
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  Barney isms. I have my, my humor that I'll
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  insert into a situation that's like, oh my God, you know, why
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  would Jesus Christ? Why would you say that?
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  But also, you're laughing at the same time, like, Yeah, so I have
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  a lot of things like that and yeah, I think that's why I love
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  it so much. I think as I've grown up as a
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  person, I've taken aspects from those characters that I've
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  watched all these years on repeat and kind of amalgamate
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  them into myself. So, yeah, they're like I have it
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  back to the original point. I was making I have a lot of
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  other interests that I feel deserves some time and don't get
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  me wrong, this is huge. If the Sonic we just had some
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  new car engines, which I'm really enjoying.
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  It's the collection of Sonic 1, Sonic CD, Sonic 2 and Sonic 3.
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  And I really would recommend if, you know, anyone out there
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  hasn't played these games for the first time, one wants to try
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  them out or you remember paying them back in the day and you
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  think, oh, I'd like to play them on by modern consoles.
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  Give them a go. I'm not paid by, Sega to say
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  this, just just this is my opinion.
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  We have Sonic Frontiers this year which is the open world
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  opens own 3D Sonic game. So then we'll be a lot to cover
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  on the channel. We've also got new Mind games
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  that year. I really want to get into those
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  and things are. So yeah, that diversification is
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  still hasn't quite happened yet. Like it's still this.
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  The video is I put up my Sonic videos because I don't have as
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  much time for Content as I would like recently because work has
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  just been so crazy. But I do have a big Sonic
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  project coming out this year which obviously I think what
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  we'll talk about that later I guess.
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  We can talk about it now if you want okay, I won.
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  Last time I was here, I mentioned that I had a project.
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  I was working on a big Sonic project and I am thrilled to say
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  That you will be getting a teaser.
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  Pretty much around the time. This releases of you exactly
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  what that's going to be assistance.
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  Please, here's what I'm gonna, I was gonna drop this clear on the
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  day of release and then when attached the teaser tip.
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  Well, know, whatever works. I mean, okay, the actual show
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  will come later because I have plans for this show.
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  Okay. Yeah.
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  Okay, yeah. But when it comes to this
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  specific thing. Yeah.
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  And and the yeah, isn't it sometime?
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  It should be. Yes.
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  End of this month. As many of, you know, I've quite
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  enjoyed delving into voice acting in my shorts and things
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  like that. And I will be voicing every male
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  character. In a re-creation of What Not
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  Recreation. How do I put this?
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  I will be dubbing every cutscene from a certain Sonic game.
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  No, way officially for Sega. No novice.
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  I got another saying. This is just for my channel.
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  This is the big project I've been working on and not for
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  Sega. I like there are things.
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  I'm going to be going to take of all.
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  We will talk about that. It's kind of that I is coming,
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  but I will be voicing. Sonic 06.
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  The Infamous, Sonic, 06, and its entirety.
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  All of the male characters in there.
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  Although it's by me. Sonic Tails, Knuckles.
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  Eggman Shadow Silver, I'm gonna voice Omega because he's a
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  robot. So you guys, you know, doesn't
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  really need to be there. Microsoft Sam would Buzz that
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  for them. So yeah, that's going to be
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  coming T's of should roll after this made me.
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  If you're seeing this clip by the time to watch this video,
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  Video the the teacher should be out.
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  So yeah, look forward to that. A lot of work is going into
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  this. This is the most ambitious
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  project I've ever done and I'm really looking forward to
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  sharing it with used in a you know like head over to YouTube
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  channel. Subscribe, he'll be notified.
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  The second it goes up because I've really excited about this.
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  I'm really excited about this and I'll confounding this now,
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  which you won't get in the teaser there.
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  I will be following the three or the four story structure.
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  So, First story, we will be going through is Sonic's, so you
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  will hear me voice in Sonic and Mario characters and their the
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  second will be going through his silver.
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  And then third party has to be my boy Shadow.
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  I've deliberately save that to the last one so I guarantee this
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  series gets finished. It's like save your favorite one
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  till last so like you're more dedicated to a record and edit
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  that one than any other one in there.
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  He's and then of course, we'll have the last story.
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  That happens in the game, the final story act.
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  So yeah, super excited to be announcing, this car will if you
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  guys the to hear it. I just so excited.
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  Honestly, so so excited about this.
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  I'm always wanted to do something like this and this
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  year let's make some different content.
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  Let's go fill out. And you know do like how long is
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  it? I think it's like Nearly three
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  hours worth of content. So yeah, very excited for this
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  one and I hope you guys are too. So yeah, it's announced.
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  I'm really happy for you man. Congratulations.
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  Thank you. I can I can just I can only
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  imagine how that must feel. I mean, it's awesome.
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  It's a dream come true to be able to voice these characters
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  and whether you think I can do it.
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  Well or not. that's up to you, but The old boot, you will know
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  when you watch it, regardless of, whether you think it's good
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  or bad, is I have a hell of a good time, recording it and
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  putting it together, so there's nothing to it.
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  You know. And that's as I said, it may, it
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  may not be particularly good. I'm certainly no Roger.
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  Craig Smith or Jason Griffith but I'm having a hell of a lot
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  of fun doing, so I'm calling it swells.
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  I think there's a very, very high probability that you will
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  end up in some shape or form of capacity working with Sega On.
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  A similar kind of project in the future.
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  I can see it. I can see I is a dream of mine
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  it's but the thing is it's storytelling because who better
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  to, you know, voice these characters and be involved in
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  this kind of stuff. Then someone who's a big fan is
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  actually passionate about it. I mean, from a marketing
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  business perspective, it kind of just such a great story to tell,
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  you know, it's yeah, exactly. So yeah, that is a dream.
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  Something I've actually said to people recently is like one day,
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  I will voice Sonic the Hedgehog in some official capacity, and
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  it's like it before. I was laugh that off, but
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  considering everything that's happened with me working at Sega
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  and everything, like the impossible becoming possible.
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  Just yeah, I do. Anything is in reach now.
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  That's what I mean. Nothing's gonna stop me.
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  Obviously, we spoke coffee. Which will remain off are
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  conversation. But what I will say on that is
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  that, you know, for someone like myself, looking at you and
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  watching your kind of career trajectory, it makes me at
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  least. Keep believing that, you know,
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  things are possible. Yeah.
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  Because I'm very much in the same.
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  Well, I'm well-known nowhere near where you are.
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  I'm just desperately throwing stuff out, hoping something will
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  stick it's not that. Hey, it Is What It Is, Well
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  badly. But yeah, I'm not so sure.
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  But what I will say is it's inspiring to watch people such
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  as yourself and it's really cool to see because it's like, Jack
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  is a guy that really deserves this and it's really, really
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  nice to see that in life. Yeah, it's just I think that,
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  you know, You want to see everyone succeed in life, but
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  there are particular people that you really want to see succeed.
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  Because you know what? They've been through in life
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  challenges and obstacles. They face and stuff.
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  And also just like the passion that you have for this, you
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  know, like you really love doing.
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  It's not like if you were doing it wouldn't be a job to you.
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  It would be like yeah, even your current role that you're doing
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  right now is, you know, like there's all these really cool
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  things I've seen, like, you know, the fact that you take a
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  photo every single day They of just giant, massive life-size
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  Sonic model, that's in your office.
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  Yes, sir. It is really sweet.
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  It's basically Jack's taking a photo every single day.
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  With Sonic 21-day show his future kids, just for this.
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  It's beautiful. You know, that was inspired by
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  Ted Mosby as well. Like that right there?
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  That was like say how I met the icon, the hero and the yeah, I
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  love doing that. And Joe I thought about I'm
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  probably going to make myself an instant or Twitter or Facebook
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  page for that real purpose of pasting those because I think
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  Sonic fans might find that entertaining, you know, he's
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  like people a lot of people have like really spoke to me about
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  how kind of Folsom is. Is it is and then there was a
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  time when I wasn't going to do it anymore as well.
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  We got 250 and I've been here in like a few things that people
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  have been saying about me and regards to Sonic, the were very
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  positive and all that kind of thing.
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  And I was kind of important roles that we got 250.
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  It's cool. I don't need to keep spamming
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  all of my Facebook friends with this same selfie every day with
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  a slight variation. Normally, and what I'm wearing
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  and that's about it, but people just kind of flooded in on that
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  and so, Now you keep posting it. So I keep posting it and we all
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  went very close to 100 though. We're going to hit 130 C then
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  the next month or while probably two months, we're going to hit
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  the 100 Mark. So yeah.
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  I'm going to start sharing that out with making that like a
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  maybe a Facebook page and Instagram or something like
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  that. Yeah, I'm for it.
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  But that's, you know, the great thing that I can say about
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  savior as a company is it's not one of those stay in your lane
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  companies like iím. It help desk.
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  My my primary job is to help with all it Solutions in the
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  office and it's something I love doing.
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  I've loved working 94 near the past, five years.
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  Now it's I've previously I was working in the VFX the industry
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  now. Julie, I was actually building
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  some PCS for Sega through my old company and things like that and
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  it's just it's something I love doing.
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  But then at the same time I am having weekly meetings, with
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  people giving them Summit Community updates.
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  On what I'm seeing out there from the community.
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  I have been quoted by the head of Sonic team and and I know I
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  was quoted because As I use the words snarky and cynical which
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  are not native Japanese words like there's be completed,
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  completely honest, there they are, they are quite Americanized
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  maybe even more British than words.
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  And then you know, I pass on those notes and then three
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  months later. The head of Sonic team is saying
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  snarky and cynical when referring to Sonic and on my I
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  just want to percent sure I've just go quieted and it's just
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  it's great. Like say the provided me a
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  review code or something Origins because they want they wanted me
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  to put a review out and I really, you know, can't thank
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  them enough and I know I will be getting a review code for Sonic
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  Frontiers this year so I'll be able to get my review out you
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  know for the Embargo like all the big boy YouTubers and you
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  know they know put that I'm going to twitchcon.
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  Next week on what you choose. Well, by the time this comes
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  out, I would have been at twitchcon, bime, and flying out
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  on Tuesday, to Amsterdam. And I'm there till the following
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  Monday, because Sagan want me there, I'm doing the, it support
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  their, you know, setting the booth up all the PCS for the
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  streamers and the just normal game is to come and play.
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  But after that, you know, one I'm probably going to do a
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  little stream on the Savior computers and that will be Then
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  bre cost on Sayers, official Twitter account, so that'll be
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  awesome. And then I'm going to get to
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  walk around and talk to Sonic fans.
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  Well, then some weeks not even going to be there, but I've been
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  showcasing Soni Sonic games to this.
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  We've got a fantastic step games that we will be showing there.
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  You can play age, but I just be talking to people about them and
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  so I can just walking around and be like, hey guys, you know,
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  what do you love about these games?
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  And what I know is fantastic as well.
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  I'm going to give her a shout out.
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  I will Sprout whose name I can't actually tell you because she
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  wants to go, but they'll Sprout. Do you know who that is?
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  Someone going to school? If I chatted to you right now is
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  I'm going to come up in the recording.
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  I don't know. No, that's fine.
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  Because I don't want to say her name out loud and just never
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  tried this before and during, you know, oh okay, interesting
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  chirrup. She's a fantastic streamer the
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  following her. Wow.
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  Really, it's shaving cream? Yeah, I've been watching over
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  the course of a lockdown up till now.
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  Grow a channel and we got back in contact through, I think it
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  is Instagram. Oh, that's cool.
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  And then I've tried to support her through her and she
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  supported me through his rib, really cool.
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  And I've seen some details Yeah, hoodie.
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  But I haven't seen her since Secondary School time.
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  She's gonna be a church from. So I'm going to finally get my
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  reunions with her. She's got a fix on something
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  called that, she's got a photo of me from school that I'm
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  desperate to get. And I asked her for a while back
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  but I don't know she, I think she forgot it's a picture of
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  when we went. This is so sorry random but I do
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  go low. We know this now just sit for
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  the people listening and watching their below, what's he
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  talking about? So this last story high school
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  so do you remember here a camp? Faintly.
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  They linger. Okay, so you're right cam
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  basically our school. You went to camping in the woods
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  for like three or four days and nice camping in the woods.
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  Yeah it was nice. It's nice.
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  It's fun. She's here.
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  Seven was France. Wasn't it was south of France?
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  I don't think it will the rich kids when they
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  never went skiing. Did you go skiing?
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  What? This is gonna cost you about 2
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  grams? Yeah, I remember bless my mom.
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  I'm Amber. And I knew that we wouldn't be
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  able to afford it. But I just asked anyway and I'd
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  asked for everything I said, oh can I get music lessons are
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  sorry. Chris can afford it.
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  Can I get this sorry, we can't do it and I like believe me,
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  like if my mom could have sent me there, she would have like,
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  she's amazing. But yeah, I asked about skiing,
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  which I think is a bit dumb for me at the time to ask that, but
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  I don't know. I guess I was kind of hoping
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  maybe it was possible and Miss 100% of the shots.
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  You don't take Well I think I think I told her how much it was
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  that I seem to recall issues and slide.
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  No there's no way but really but she's really sweet about it like
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  you know yeah it was a difficult one to be able to swing that the
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  sorry. You're right.
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  Castles be right cam. Yeah.
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  So she's got a photo of me with like at the time I had I don't
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  even know what to call it. I've always had long hair, but
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  it was like long Ashish medium car.
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  I know it like the emo Diemer you.
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  I was cut. Oh yeah.
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  When did I not have any money? We were born that way.
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  And she just went on and on and on about it and Tulsa.
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  OK, fine. I'm just going to essentially
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  cosplay as Gerard Way and that's a little eyeliner and you don't
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  convincingly. I one point I did actually look
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  quite a lot like him. I think, I'm, I seem to remember
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  that. I seem to remember that actually
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  see. I see, I was in a weird spot
• 22:21
  with my mom has like, You get this haircut.
• 22:25
  Oh no, your you are ginger deal with it.
• 22:28
  What your mom said it was? Yeah, see how it works.
• 22:32
  And then it was like oh yeah. But that was No, I thought it
• 22:45
  very dark brown because I want to like take both Drake and Josh
• 22:50
  and already kind of had the haircut so I just thought I'd it
• 22:54
  all down and it was it was very much a bit pale for them.
• 22:58
  I've got being a sore throat, I'm sure you've had it black,
• 23:00
  maybe red. No, no.
• 23:04
  I've never had black uyuni. I did like brown with very blond
• 23:10
  on top, and then pink on top of that.
• 23:13
  That's my favorite hat. We feel, that's awesome.
• 23:15
  I did. I look straight out the Myspace
• 23:17
  senior, but I loved it. Those were the days.
• 23:32
  Basically, I had like blond highlights that time, and people
• 23:36
  used to call me bumblebee at school, which was hilarious.
• 23:40
  And there's a picture of me apparently, like, sitting and
• 23:43
  she's got it. And I just thought that's
• 23:45
  amazing. I'd love to get my hands on
• 23:46
  that. Yes.
• 23:48
  Yeah, because one thing is that I don't have as as many photos
• 23:51
  as I'd like of, when I was younger.
• 23:54
  I guess I just didn't think to save or not.
• 23:57
  I think I seem to recall that I lost a USB drive or I lost files
• 24:01
  on the USB and I lost a lot of stuff and I'm really good
• 24:04
  brother, which is one of the reasons why.
• 24:05
  Now I take photos of the time wherever I got chance whenever
• 24:09
  someone takes a photo of me and us together I'm like give me
• 24:14
  that. Give me that save it.
• 24:15
  So. Yeah, and it's it's amazing.
• 24:17
  It's like for instance, I've got a lot of photos of my time when
• 24:20
  I lived in Estonia and I recently went through them
• 24:23
  because I cut, this is really sad and pathetic, but just a
• 24:25
  little bit of a thing about me. So I like to have like, a
• 24:30
  changing screensaver on my Peters and I've got two
• 24:33
  monitors, so they show different things.
• 24:35
  So, I have a mixture of, like, things that I screenshot, like
• 24:38
  things. I don't know, marvel Star Wars,
• 24:41
  pictures that I find pretty and nice.
• 24:44
  And then there's a lot of like, images of places.
• 24:48
  I've been to and stuff like that.
• 24:50
  So like sometimes I'll get random pictures of like a Road
• 24:52
  or somewhere in the wilderness and Estonia come up and stuff.
• 24:55
  And it's it's it first. What blows my mind that that
• 24:58
  even happened feels like so long ago now like a different life.
• 25:01
  Yeah, and Only. I'm very like nostalgic and
• 25:05
  sappy and like for about the past and stuff.
• 25:07
  And so now I cling onto that you know like really heavy a lot and
• 25:12
  take as many photos as possible just met.
• 25:15
  Yeah, I get that. I mean recently I just keep
• 25:18
  looking through my La photos like constantly because I swear
• 25:23
  to God man. Like if you're a YouTuber and
• 25:25
  you go to La, it's just like this is what I need to be like
• 25:29
  what am I doing? Why am I going back to London?
• 25:31
  By of all MGK, paying the, my headphones going going down
• 25:36
  highways, I'm like, yeah, okay, this is, this is the life.
• 25:39
  I was meant to have. I'm literally, I feel the same
• 25:42
  as you right now in the sense that like I'm at a point in my
• 25:45
  life where like a, I've been in Manchester enough about two and
• 25:49
  a half years, nearly three years and my life follows this
• 25:52
  pattern. Where every ever since.
• 25:54
  My gosh, I turned 21 every three years.
• 25:58
  My life changes in a big way. Okay.
• 26:01
  Okay, so between so, when I 21 went to UNI, okay, down 24,
• 26:08
  finish unit, right? Yeah.
• 26:10
  And then went to Estonia for three years.
• 26:13
  Okay yeah, back obviously the end of that three years would
• 26:16
  have been 2020. Now, next year 2023 that will be
• 26:25
  three years in Manchester and I'll also be turning 30 this
• 26:29
  that year some said okay. Oh my God, I'm old sorry.
• 26:35
  So up man. Yeah it doesn't feel it.
• 26:37
  Does it but yeah, why. It doesn't it doesn't.
• 26:39
  Anyway, it does for Chelsea. I feel I feel like that kind of
• 26:44
  like I'm ready to kind of go anywhere and do anything.
• 26:47
  You know. I don't know.
• 26:48
  Don't have kids. I don't have a partner don't
• 26:50
  have any responsibilities. The only responsibilities I have
• 26:53
  or just make sure that the rent is paid.
• 26:56
  And I'm somehow able to live other than that, there's a lot
• 26:59
  of opportunity. So I'm trying to take as many
• 27:02
  opportunities as possible and risks and Etc.
• 27:04
  But I genuinely don't know where to go.
• 27:07
  Like I think if someone said to me tomorrow, like you want to
• 27:09
  move to LA? I'd be like, why not?
• 27:12
  Let's just try, I mean. Yeah.
• 27:14
  What do I really have to lose at this point?
• 27:16
  Like, no, I'm with you on that. Like, That's the beautiful thing
• 27:20
  about that this kind of lifestyle that we're doing as
• 27:24
  well, but this content creation life.
• 27:26
  Stopped in particular, it can go anywhere.
• 27:29
  They could lead to any point. I'm like, obviously like he's
• 27:33
  got the most subscribers of any individual person on YouTube as
• 27:36
  opposed to a corporation, but I look at PewDiePie like
• 27:39
  swedish-born lived in Brighton for a very good period of his
• 27:44
  life and now he's moved to Tokyo no wife.
• 27:48
  Yeah, he's like me what? I don't know if it was
• 27:50
  necessarily Tokyo and Japan. By think it might be somewhere,
• 27:53
  just outside of Tokyo but he's moved there with his wife and
• 27:58
  it's crazy where this life can lead you.
• 28:01
  So this life that we live in the same thing that we've got all
• 28:03
  our G, fuel, flake response, ships around flavors, and
• 28:05
  although, I've never, I'm so I so like, I, I really Envy you.
• 28:10
  But like, in the best possible way, I always use that worked.
• 28:12
  Well, because when you say well, Envy is the good one, isn't it?
• 28:16
  Jealousies the bad one but envies the good one because it's
• 28:18
  Like, you know that, you know, envies the bad one, no jealousy
• 28:23
  is the bad one. Because jealousy me, his Envy,
• 28:26
  the MV is one of the seven deadly sins.
• 28:28
  Doesn't it? Where it's jealousy isn't hard?
• 28:31
  And I feel like an idiot know. I always thought that MV was I'm
• 28:33
  not sure I'm questioning this myself.
• 28:34
  It might hit my head. I always thought that it was
• 28:37
  more like you, appreciate and you're slightly jealous but not
• 28:40
  like in a hateful because I think like gently you don't want
• 28:43
  to be jealous of other people because everyone has a different
• 28:47
  life that you know. Like it's there's different
• 28:50
  circumstances to where someone's got where they are today.
• 28:53
  Like, I look at your life and, you know, I know you on a
• 28:56
  personal level and I know obviously I don't know
• 28:59
  everything about what you've been through saying the last 10
• 29:02
  years, because we just haven't really spoken much in that time.
• 29:04
  Yeah, we reconnected later in life and that's fine.
• 29:07
  That's just life. You know there's yeah, yeah I
• 29:10
  don't think there's anyone. I really kept up with from
• 29:12
  school and now then against them is just you move on you you know
• 29:16
  whatever right. But when we did reconnect and
• 29:20
  you know, I think back to when we were at school together and I
• 29:24
  saw some of the hardships you went through then, and then, you
• 29:27
  know, I see like how well you're doing now.
• 29:29
  Like it's it's the main thing that comes to my head is I'm
• 29:33
  just I'm just happy for you and it's just nice to see.
• 29:37
  And, of course, like it's very, for me, it's difficult not to
• 29:42
  be. To wish that I was in the
• 29:45
  similar spot to people such as yourself and other people that I
• 29:48
  know that are doing well, but at the same time, you know, I am
• 29:51
  very happy for those people, like, I think the worst thing
• 29:54
  you can be is like angry and like, ah, like it's not fair
• 29:57
  whatever. Because, yeah, I mean, it's
• 30:00
  doesn't make any sense to the nemean.
• 30:02
  Lion will know. Yeah.
• 30:03
  I know, and also more to the point like, if you look at it,
• 30:07
  like really specifically, like, I don't want like your life and
• 30:10
  that's not because there's anything.
• 30:12
  Well, yeah, it's just There's different goals, there's
• 30:14
  different things course that what you're looking for and
• 30:17
  sometimes I don't know like a lot of what I hear people say
• 30:22
  when it comes to things like success and getting there as
• 30:24
  they always say that you know it's it's first of all it's not
• 30:29
  it's a marathon not a not a race, right?
• 30:32
  Yeah. And that different things have
• 30:34
  to move and shift in your life before you can get to where you
• 30:36
  want to be and I think mentally I'm ready for that change.
• 30:44
  If it ever does happen, but I'm also in the head space now which
• 30:49
  sounds kind of sad, but I am trying to just be realistic
• 30:52
  about things. I'm also thinking about, you
• 30:54
  know, if it just never happens for me, you know, and what that
• 30:58
  might look like and how that might know bit, like I don't
• 31:01
  mean, I don't want. Yeah, now I got women.
• 31:03
  I'm not trying to say this in, like I want sympathy way or woe
• 31:06
  is me. Yeah, I'm just trying to say
• 31:07
  that like first of all it wouldn't be the end of the It's
• 31:10
  I know I talked about it a lot. So anyone that listens our be
• 31:13
  like, oh this again, right? But it's think about it like
• 31:16
  this for me right now. I'm going through, I suppose,
• 31:21
  like I'm thinking about this, and I'm learning to come to
• 31:24
  terms with it and be like, you know what, yeah, maybe that
• 31:27
  that's okay. Maybe it's not the end of the
• 31:29
  world and I think the big thing that's in my head right now is I
• 31:35
  want it to kind of I want to come to terms with it so that I
• 31:38
  can have the right attitude. The last another one is to have
• 31:41
  this bad attitude towards that and life because I don't want to
• 31:45
  upset like, you know, my followers people who listen to
• 31:48
  me, people who support me in my own life.
• 31:50
  I don't want to become like a bitter person or anything
• 31:53
  because life, you know this, there's so many amazing things
• 31:58
  about life and there's so much to be appreciated and savored in
• 32:02
  life. And this is these things that
• 32:05
  we're aspiring to, I just one aspect of it.
• 32:08
  And, you know, I think that, For instance, might my goals.
• 32:14
  Mainly I just to be able to do like this sort of stuff for a
• 32:17
  living and I've seen other people do it and that inspires
• 32:22
  me to keep going and I would love to be able to do it but You
• 32:28
  do one thing I hear a lot, people say is all one day.
• 32:30
  It will happen for you. One day, it will happen for you
• 32:32
  and I just don't know. If that's the way it works, if
• 32:38
  that's like, if everybody gets what they want in life, you know
• 32:42
  what I mean? Like it's and this is all pretty
• 32:44
  new from. Yeah.
• 32:45
  Well, like I only really I started understanding what I
• 32:51
  wanted like in 34 years ago. Yeah.
• 32:55
  Before that. I had no idea and for anyone
• 32:57
  listening, who's either about to hit their 20s or yeah.
• 33:04
  Good thing to remember is that, it's okay, if you haven't
• 33:07
  figured out what you want to do in life.
• 33:09
  Yeah, you know, sometimes it takes many years before that
• 33:12
  happens and it's I think it's good to try a lot of different
• 33:14
  things to see what you're good at.
• 33:17
  So, what you like, see, What you don't like and you know, you
• 33:20
  kind of figure it out from there, you know?
• 33:23
  Yeah. I mean I didn't really get on
• 33:25
  this road that I was on in terms of, you know, working in it and
• 33:31
  working at my dream company. Until I was about twenty six,
• 33:36
  twenty five, twenty six, twenty nine.
• 33:38
  Now you know, it's not all going to come to you at once.
• 33:42
  It's It's sometimes things just do fall into place.
• 33:48
  I ended up at a company. The company, my previous
• 33:51
  company. I ended up there in a role that
• 33:53
  didn't particularly do anything. For me, it was like, admin,
• 33:58
  payroll work. Okay.
• 34:01
  And I, I said that when, you know, I got very friendly with
• 34:04
  the empty computer, engineering department and a friend of mine
• 34:10
  at work was promoted to manager of Pure engineering department.
• 34:15
  And I'd spoken to him before, many times down the public.
• 34:18
  I'd really love to get into what you do.
• 34:19
  And I just said to him, I wanted a computer engineer and it was
• 34:22
  done, you know? And I got into that, I've
• 34:26
  finished, we broke up for Christmas and then I started in
• 34:30
  January and it, you know so it doesn't Just it, you don't have
• 34:36
  to have it all figured out sometimes things will just
• 34:38
  happen, but I was so wrong thing that you did.
• 34:41
  Say that I think is a valid point that because I like to
• 34:43
  drop some truth bombs. Whenever I come here, I feel
• 34:45
  like I do I dropped some like stuff that you don't really want
• 34:48
  to hear guns away Banzai. Here we go.
• 34:52
  You, if you are starting out on any platform whether it be
• 34:57
  YouTube Spotify Tick-Tock Snapchat, Instagram, you are not
• 35:03
  entitled. Want to followers.
• 35:05
  You are not entitled to views. You are do not do these things
• 35:11
  expecting to be handed, something in terms of, and I'm
• 35:15
  not trying to sound arrogant and saying things.
• 35:17
  Because like, I don't really know, I'm still trying to make
• 35:19
  it two thousand Subs. I haven't quite over yet.
• 35:22
  Like the work I've had to do to get.
• 35:24
  There has been insane and then you get other people who is so
• 35:31
  lightning in a bottle. You know, they upload.
• 35:34
  A piece of content that just really works and suddenly their
• 35:38
  views, their subscribers, all that, it blows through the
• 35:40
  brief. That is a 0.01 percent chance of
• 35:45
  that happening. Everyone else, on the platform
• 35:47
  is going to have to grind, and you know what?
• 35:51
  It may not work out because you still need an element of that
• 35:54
  lightning in a bottle content to really go bang to get into that
• 35:59
  algorithm. Like, I've had a video recently
• 36:01
  in Scott 75 thousand pieces. No sound a lot, but to me that's
• 36:06
  huge. Its most people have gotten the
• 36:07
  video and that was because the YouTube algorithm picked it up.
• 36:12
  It was a video essay that I release like over a year ago for
• 36:17
  Nanda Devi movies. One villainous seen series.
• 36:21
  We have sunk by like your favorite scene.
• 36:23
  Involving a villain from our comic book.
• 36:25
  However, or a TV show or movie and I picked Jim Carrey first.
• 36:29
  Jim Carrey's Eggman the Sonic at the end of the silent movie
• 36:33
  because I would, To make a case for how it really showed like
• 36:38
  the delusions of grandeur and like how over bloated, a man's
• 36:44
  ego is, and how it really made him.
• 36:46
  Carry that character and it did fairly well when it came out, it
• 36:50
  got like 4000 views which is good for me and then Sonic movie
• 36:53
  2 comes out suddenly YouTube site, okay?
• 36:57
  Yeah, this this this needs to go into the algorithm that we need
• 37:00
  to. This is going to get pushed.
• 37:02
  I did nothing. In the six months between that
• 37:05
  video coming out and it blowing up to make it do that, it was
• 37:09
  just lightning in a bottle. YouTube decided the algorithm
• 37:13
  was worth showing, its people its luck, it is just luck.
• 37:19
  Even if you try and figure out every intense detail of the
• 37:23
  algorithm, the algorithm will change next week.
• 37:26
  It always does. So don't get yourself
• 37:30
  disheartened people when you when you try and put stuff out
• 37:33
  there. There and it doesn't get to any
• 37:35
  views or the because I'm telling you now that's what happened.
• 37:39
  When PewDiePie started here loading videos.
• 37:42
  They've got like no views, don't have these now because you know,
• 37:46
  the subscriber count. He has, you know, people want to
• 37:48
  go back and see the first video PewDiePie ever made.
• 37:51
  He's probably got millions on all these videos, but there was
• 37:54
  a time when PewDiePie and markiplier when Game Theory all
• 38:00
  these people uploaded videos, movies, I mean, I think a good
• 38:08
  thing to keep in mind as well as like if you are just starting
• 38:11
  out and you're not seeing much attention, but you are seeing a
• 38:15
  little bit click onto that because, yeah, I know I've said
• 38:19
  this before, and I always say this to my current followers and
• 38:23
  listeners, I appreciate them so much because they are a driving
• 38:30
  force and I'm very for me to keep going.
• 38:33
  And also, They inspire me. They're all amazing people with
• 38:37
  amazing lives selves and I just wanted to touch on what you were
• 38:43
  saying before about. You know, like not having
• 38:46
  expectations like in the sense that, you know, you feel you
• 38:51
  like I have to have like followers like I deserve this.
• 38:54
  Did it? Like even if you get like a
• 38:57
  handful of people and they care enough to spend their time in
• 39:02
  your live stream, or liking a video of yours, or taking the
• 39:05
  time to, like, comment on something like you got to
• 39:09
  appreciate that and be thankful for that and realize that like
• 39:13
  that is worth more than anything else.
• 39:15
  And that you are actively achieving your goal of reaching
• 39:19
  people. You're doing swell, appreciate
• 39:22
  what you have before you start trying to reach out and get
• 39:25
  more. But it's just It's just that,
• 39:27
  you know, it's like I said before, like I've said that, I
• 39:30
  would love to reach more people and, you know, sometimes I get a
• 39:33
  bit sad about the fact that I can't do that sometimes but the
• 39:35
  same time. Like the thing that always
• 39:37
  brings me back to reality is realizing that there's there are
• 39:40
  people that care and dude, listen, them and following,
• 39:43
  that's like, that's the thing you need to remember.
• 39:46
  And also I think it's really it's important because that's
• 39:50
  what keeps you grounded and keep short head in the game and you
• 39:54
  know where it should be. But also So, it keeps you in
• 39:59
  this mindset of realizing that. If you're chasing views and
• 40:06
  chasing, that's, that's, that's all you're trying to do.
• 40:11
  Then inevitably your content is going to probably lesson.
• 40:17
  Yeah, you know, it's gonna Suffer.
• 40:19
  Well, it's just that, you know, you won't be necessarily doing
• 40:22
  what you love anymore. You're just doing whatever it
• 40:24
  takes to get views, you know. And yeah, like, I'm not gonna
• 40:28
  sit here and say that, I don't try different things in order to
• 40:31
  get views because, of course, I do.
• 40:32
  But at the same time, like I don't make, I don't do that.
• 40:34
  As my only focal point, you know?
• 40:38
  If you saw what I'm doing on Tick-Tock, I had About six
• 40:43
  months or a year ago to basically create a second, a
• 40:45
  backup camera, which I think all people should do just in
• 40:48
  general, it's good to have backup accounts and on that.
• 40:51
  But I basically transitioned it into a thing where it's like the
• 40:56
  account where I just mess up and mess around and basically use
• 41:00
  Tick-Tock for its intended purpose.
• 41:02
  Yeah, it has a lot more reach compared to my main Channel,
• 41:06
  which does have more followers and stuff.
• 41:09
  But I just produce You know, my main account is kind of more
• 41:15
  like a base for showing what I can do.
• 41:19
  Like, hey, ya know, I do a podcast, I write music.
• 41:23
  I'm an aspiring actor. You can see all this stuff,
• 41:25
  right, but the second account is let's just jump on Trends, see
• 41:29
  if we can reach people, whatever have fun and since I took that
• 41:34
  approach, it's been more successful but it's also been a
• 41:37
  lot more fun, which I think is kind of more important, you
• 41:41
  know, in the Fun, you're having. And I think the better at your
• 41:45
  attitude is the better. Your content will be.
• 41:48
  Yes, completely agree. You have to put your heart into
• 41:51
  you have to enjoy what you're doing.
• 41:54
  Like, for me with the Calamity, quickies, I was doing for quite
• 41:59
  a while. I was living off YouTube drama.
• 42:04
  When I was making those like I was loving the commentary
• 42:07
  channel was they were all in my algorithm you know, I my nerves
• 42:12
  Occations on, for keemstar, I was ready to go and Omni I
• 42:15
  absolutely love on me. I still think of me as
• 42:17
  fantastic. And like, the thing is, I can't
• 42:19
  get through in a whole Army video now, because the YouTube
• 42:24
  news, the drama is just become this thing where it's like, I
• 42:27
  don't really want to hear about all of it anymore.
• 42:31
  Like I used to find it, someone had staining and now, I'm just
• 42:33
  so, I just okay. And so the Calamity quickies
• 42:36
  have stopped because it is easy to get into a point where it was
• 42:40
  like, I was covering some really.
• 42:45
  Deep stuff going on. That was I really unsettling to
• 42:49
  watch. It was unsettling for me to
• 42:51
  record when I was like talking about it, like some of the stuff
• 42:54
  in the smash community and stuff like that.
• 42:57
  And it's couple Toppers that I'm not enjoying putting this
• 43:00
  contact 10-hour anymore, I'm sitting there like, okay, let's
• 43:03
  talk about some really nasty stuff that's going on and just,
• 43:08
  So, grossed out by talking about something formal stuff for
• 43:11
  people doing. It's just wasn't enjoying it.
• 43:13
  So I haven't really done them for a while.
• 43:16
  I was kind of I was trying to turn them more into kind of like
• 43:19
  a nerd culture News segment, with bits of drama thrown him.
• 43:25
  So I got his cup of her in like no way home stuff before know
• 43:29
  Aaron was coming out and it like I was giving updates on that and
• 43:31
  like various different Marvel projects and you know things
• 43:36
  coming out but it just got to a point.
• 43:37
  Rose. I'm not ready.
• 43:39
  I'm having to really convince myself to sit down and record
• 43:42
  these. And that shouldn't be the case.
• 43:45
  I've chilled just want to go and sit down and record them.
• 43:47
  So I hadn't really done them, but they'll come back in the
• 43:49
  future, who knows your needs is always a possibility but you you
• 43:55
  know, if you're not putting your heart and soul into our content,
• 43:58
  if you're enjoying the content, you're making your audience can
• 44:01
  tell, and there's no point putting out that kind of content
• 44:04
  because people are responding to it.
• 44:06
  Why people going to Respond to something that's, you know, a
• 44:09
  bit more lifeless will say, because that's just not the
• 44:12
  heart in it. There's another thing actually
• 44:14
  reminded be like one thing I've said to my audiences that I'll
• 44:18
  always be authentic and real demand, you know, if I feel down
• 44:23
  I'm going to voice that but I tried to avoid kind of doing
• 44:28
  that all the time. It's difficult.
• 44:29
  You know, sometimes I, you know, I just don't get it right, you
• 44:34
  know. I'm human at the end of the day,
• 44:35
  I'm trying and trying to get better.
• 44:37
  Um, but I try, I have consciously tried to avoid it as
• 44:44
  much as possible with live streams and more specifically,
• 44:48
  with the videos I've noticed that I used to post a lot of
• 44:53
  kind of likes, more cynical stuff, or jumping on Trends, but
• 44:57
  it was all just kind of really depressing.
• 44:58
  Like and I don't get me wrong, I still will post those videos
• 45:01
  every once in a while because just, yeah, fun relatability it.
• 45:04
  But I'm trying to kind of consciously make the content
• 45:07
  over Overall more positive and having fun with it.
• 45:10
  Yeah. And the reason for that is I
• 45:13
  want to make my audience smile and feel happy and take their
• 45:17
  minds of stuff. And you know, I've said this
• 45:19
  before in the show and I'll say it again, like when you get
• 45:22
  people reach out to you and they tell you, hey this content got
• 45:26
  me through a dark time or, you know, made me smile or, you
• 45:28
  know, I was having a bad day and you've cheered me up.
• 45:31
  Like that means everything to me.
• 45:33
  That's amazing to hear. And I started to realize about
• 45:36
  myself that I think I'm the sort of type of person that I'm able
• 45:43
  to make other people smile and laugh.
• 45:46
  Yes, I'm a bit weird. You know what?
• 45:51
  You know it's like how when you start being more true to
• 45:55
  yourself and you stop trying to be something you're not.
• 45:59
  You just focus on being you to life becomes a lot easier or at
• 46:04
  least it feels Right, you know? Yeah and I think for so long, I
• 46:11
  was like so obsessed with trying to appear, you know, serious and
• 46:15
  sensible and respected in particular.
• 46:18
  And now I'm just like, you know, it doesn't matter if people
• 46:20
  don't respect me or think of me this way.
• 46:25
  The main thing is, am I happy? Am I happy with how I am?
• 46:29
  Who I am. Etc.
• 46:30
  Am I being true to myself? And I feel like now, for the
• 46:33
  first time I'm beginning to like, really, Get to that.
• 46:37
  But the interesting thing is yeah that lessons keep coming,
• 46:40
  you know, every day. You know, I think I'll be okay.
• 46:44
  This is where I need to be and then something will pull you
• 46:45
  right back and I'm like, oh okay there's much more like I
• 46:48
  literally in the last couple of days.
• 46:51
  I had a moment where I was like, Wow, Let's Get Some got more
• 46:55
  growing up to do, you know? And I'm just, yeah, it's
• 46:57
  intriguing. The way life works like that.
• 46:59
  Yeah, I could beat you get with you mean as well because I I
• 47:04
  used to really lean in on Cynical content.
• 47:08
  I used to criticize the Sonic series a lot like that.
• 47:13
  That was a large bulk of my videos is criticizing what was
• 47:16
  going on. And, because we were in a bit of
• 47:19
  a drought, you know, we weren't getting any information about
• 47:22
  games or projects in the Gap from like 2017 till last year.
• 47:28
  It's very, very quiet. So my channel was kind of
• 47:32
  getting built off that and recently past year or so I've
• 47:35
  tried to be a lot more positive. Active.
• 47:37
  I don't really want to talk about solid negatively because I
• 47:41
  think it's spreading the conversation.
• 47:44
  I think it's had an impact on the fan base, for the fans.
• 47:47
  Just never happy because they become so content with moaning.
• 47:50
  Because it's like, we just sit in our Echo chamber, zooming
• 47:53
  moaning, each other all day, and then, and I'm so like I'm pretty
• 47:58
  honest on my channel. I'm pretty honest about my
• 48:01
  thoughts and feelings on things. But, of course, like, I can't go
• 48:08
  and just like, slag off Sonic stuff.
• 48:12
  Like you have to understand that I can't.
• 48:15
  That would put my job in Jeopardy.
• 48:17
  Oh no, I mean like I can say if I have criticisms with a game
• 48:24
  like I've said about some of the bugs and glitches that I found
• 48:27
  in Sonic Origins that weren't present in the original games on
• 48:30
  bit. Like I found some, I mentioned
• 48:33
  in my review, I have one that was game-breaking Hopefully this
• 48:38
  will get passed out in future, I can be constructed like that
• 48:41
  like and they're not holding a gun to my head and say you have
• 48:45
  to say nice things but you have to understand there is a level
• 48:48
  of being a professional not going out and slacking off your
• 48:52
  company and and I'll be honest I don't throw I really have much
• 48:56
  need to slack off the company at all just full transparency but
• 49:01
  if I did, I couldn't exactly do that because I have
• 49:04
  professional. I have to have some integrity
• 49:07
  So, I'm trying to be more positive with the content.
• 49:10
  Like I completely don't respond to it in the same way, that's
• 49:13
  the problem I can put you get what you mean.
• 49:15
  I've been doing the same thing as well and I'm still learning,
• 49:19
  I'm still very much kind of trying to understand it fully
• 49:23
  but this thing about having a consistent reputation across
• 49:27
  what you do, you know it's one thing to mess around on this
• 49:30
  like account that I have, right? But I am very conscious of what
• 49:33
  I put out there and what kind of message that conveys And I'm
• 49:37
  still learning for some of the comments, I read sometimes I'll
• 49:39
  delete things afterwards and I'm like hmm.
• 49:41
  Okay back to the drawing board. Need to think about this more.
• 49:44
  Think about how the yeah portrays me.
• 49:46
  Because as much as I'm very kind of transparent with who I am
• 49:54
  like and how I am conscious of how people view that content and
• 49:59
  how they see it. And what that says about me and
• 50:01
  what the chances of maybe getting, excuse me somewhere,
• 50:05
  like for example, Being able to secure sponsors for a podcast or
• 50:10
  being able to get brand deals or stuff like that.
• 50:14
  I mean, I'm still kind of like our this probably would never
• 50:17
  happen, but if it did happen, if the opportunity was there, you
• 50:21
  know, I wouldn't want to lose as a result of, you know, the
• 50:24
  content I was producing. So I think that's part of it.
• 50:27
  But as you say, a big part of it, as well as it gets you down
• 50:30
  there, isn't it? When you wear when you're -
• 50:32
  about stuff or you, you post a bunch of content that's like
• 50:35
  that is kind of depressing. And I think Gets to you as well.
• 50:39
  Yeah, 100% infects your mentality and how you perceive
• 50:43
  things, everyday things in the real world, you know.
• 50:46
  And I'm not going to sit here and pretend, I'm a saint, like,
• 50:49
  I've got it all figured out because I really don't know who
• 50:51
  died. I still have a lot of things in
• 50:54
  the way that I look at things in the world that I want to work
• 50:57
  on. Hmm.
• 50:58
  Like like, I'm awful with people in public, oh, humans in public
• 51:07
  and Oi me like I'm one of those people do not have any like you
• 51:11
  seems like leave my house and human of being on the street I'm
• 51:15
  like why are you doing that? You know, first, it's a common
• 51:19
  sense in that and things I lay my head and I just think I'm
• 51:22
  trying to work on I think they set my friends, I love you.
• 51:25
  I think there's something to this because I get this.
• 51:27
  Sometimes I think a big part of it is just your mood on that
• 51:29
  given day because I think sometimes it's nice to see
• 51:32
  people but I think agree because we're a bit more introverted and
• 51:37
  We like to kind of have things a certain.
• 51:40
  Well, I up. Okay.
• 51:41
  Yeah, yeah, you'll spawn. I'm willing to bet that you do
• 51:45
  the same thing that I do. So let's say you walk into like
• 51:48
  I don't know comic book shop, right?
• 51:51
  Yeah and yeah it sounds so stupid but it's true.
• 51:57
  See I can vary. Okay, if I'm in a room, right?
• 51:59
  With people I come back to the example right now but I just I
• 52:04
  always say that I'm an extrovert introvert or I don't know.
• 52:07
  They called it ambivert them. They yeah.
• 52:09
  If we put like if me and you were both walk into a room and
• 52:12
  there's of gone, bunch of people, we're not going to feel
• 52:14
  comfortable, but we can present that we're comfortable and be
• 52:18
  the, yes. We'll probably have an anxiety
• 52:20
  crash later, but in the moment. Yeah, right.
• 52:23
  Yeah, it's like, oh, hey, a nice to meet you did it, right?
• 52:26
  Because you just understand that you just have to do that to get
• 52:29
  through that specific. You can't be like, yes and
• 52:32
  believe me it's about because sometimes I still feel, you
• 52:35
  know, like if Ike if there's an opportunity You need to be in
• 52:38
  the shadows, I will be there and disappeared.
• 52:40
  Oh, haven't person, right. So that's that's what I present
• 52:45
  and but sometimes I am genuinely like, comfortable as you say,
• 52:48
  like if you're with friends, that's a bit different than
• 52:50
  that's, you know. But even that could be daunting
• 52:52
  if there's enough people there. But yeah, when it becomes like
• 52:55
  you're in public and you just checking out something in like a
• 52:59
  shop. But like let's say there's like
• 53:01
  a few too many people by the area that you want to go to.
• 53:04
  Like, I'll genuinely just kind of wait and be somewhere else in
• 53:10
  the store until they leave. And if they'd never leave, I
• 53:13
  just won't go to that area and I'll just basically like loot,
• 53:20
  like, Miss out because I'm C. So what is it is?
• 53:23
  And I will pretend. So I'll give you a better
• 53:26
  example, right? You're in the supermarket.
• 53:29
  And let's say you're down the rice and pasta aisle, right?
• 53:34
  And then the next to each other, right?
• 53:36
  And you you want to look at Rice, there's a family looking
• 53:40
  at Rice, okay? So you saw Sam by the pastor and
• 53:43
  I peruse the pasta like okay, this isn't a gear tele, very
• 53:46
  nice and waiting for them to leave the whole time.
• 53:50
  My head. I'm like yo we're not all here
• 53:53
  for a day out. Can you just like, get your pack
• 53:54
  your rice and move on so I can get him please.
• 53:57
  And after like a minute, Blight. Okay.
• 54:00
  Now that nothing about sorry. Excuse me.
• 54:02
  Sorry now I'm not go all day and just take it.
• 54:04
  I will go. Well it's our local day.
• 54:06
  I like I said I'm ahead but I'll just love that.
• 54:08
  Sorry. Excuse me.
• 54:09
  I was standing up like waste of time.
• 54:12
  Other things to do today. Angie I need this is that my
• 54:16
  inner monologue. I love it, but it's just like
• 54:19
  just going back to that example, it deep.
• 54:22
  Do you have difficulty in? Like so you're looking at the
• 54:25
  pastor, right? You don't care about the pasta
• 54:27
  because you want the rice, but in your head and were your
• 54:30
  Acting. Now, you're basically acting so
• 54:32
  you have to have vein showing interest in looking at the thing
• 54:35
  you're looking at. Oh yeah, pick one out.
• 54:37
  Turn around kid, I don't know why it's the same as that.
• 54:43
  When you see in movies and they said okay guys I'm actually it's
• 54:46
  like, it's so yeah. Pretend to like to fake in that
• 54:50
  scenario like I'm standing before your so now like oh I
• 54:53
  must have had a notification. There's nothing on there you
• 54:56
  just scrolling through Facebook. Oh how interesting.
• 54:59
  Okay. Yeah, put the fire back in.
• 55:00
  Now, let's pretend to look at the pasture again.
• 55:02
  It's a performance, it's a performance.
• 55:04
  I'm so I find that the world just moves too slow for me and I
• 55:08
  don't, I know that's ridiculous. Coming from me of all people, as
• 55:11
  well. I've got there fast, but the
• 55:14
  world generally needs to soak in it.
• 55:16
  People in day-to-day life, don't walk fast enough.
• 55:20
  They don't want to get what they, what they want to die.
• 55:22
  What what do I do? Giveaways are they don't do what
• 55:26
  they've left. The do the house.
• 55:28
  Oh my God, I can't get my words. They don't do what they left the
• 55:31
  house to do fast enough. It's like seriously popping down
• 55:36
  to get some milk is not a family day out.
• 55:39
  I'm just here to my stomach. I'm so cynical her by her brain,
• 55:46
  and I really try. The worker, dude facing if you,
• 55:51
  I will always be polite and friendly to people Chucky even
• 55:53
  in those scenarios like. Yeah, just because my in a lot
• 55:57
  monologue is saying, hurry, the fuck up.
• 55:58
  Doesn't mean that I know get laid if you smile at, they don't
• 56:02
  get a smile at you, you know? See like when you're in the
• 56:05
  supermarket and there's like, two people in the way having a
• 56:07
  conversation or like, I don't know.
• 56:09
  You you're trying to walk down the street and there's just
• 56:12
  loads of people in the way and they won't get out the way in my
• 56:15
  head. I'm screaming.
• 56:16
  I'm like, ooh, get out of the way.
• 56:20
  Oh my God, I'm just like this, this will be me on the street.
• 56:25
  Okay, the worst thing is, when you have to like you To quickly
• 56:31
  but then you're stuck behind them but you're too socially
• 56:34
  awkward to walk around them or you can't walk run because
• 56:36
  there's no space to we'll go around them without getting like
• 56:38
  I don't know hit by a car. Oh my God.
• 56:40
  Yes, it's the worst. The absolute worst is when it's
• 56:43
  like an Alleyway or something and there's literally no way to
• 56:45
  get around them. So you have to be that are
• 56:47
  excuse me and but then you feel rude and then sometimes they'll
• 56:50
  be rude. They'll be like, what's your
• 56:52
  problem? And it's not like Yeah, Austin,
• 56:54
  you're too slow but you don't say that.
• 56:56
  But in your head you're thinking that and it's like my worst
• 56:59
  ones, the ones you swear. Move.
• 57:01
  Like so you say like you normal pavement, right?
• 57:05
  There's plenty of room for two people to walk down there but
• 57:08
  they do is they just they sit in the dead center of it with huge
• 57:12
  bags on. So you can't get around either
• 57:13
  side and then they'll Moon. And every time you think I was
• 57:16
  better, open that side. Okay, the swerve that with, oh,
• 57:19
  Jesus. Oh my God, oh my God.
• 57:25
  This is, this is what it's like to live with anxiety, especially
• 57:28
  since London particularly This is the worst, it's paralyzing.
• 57:32
  And it's so ridiculous because a lot of the time, for instance,
• 57:36
  you get that example earlier, if that you just grab the thing,
• 57:38
  you need to grab and go, and that's fine.
• 57:40
  And no one will have an issue with that, but sometimes people
• 57:42
  do. So, for example, that swerving
• 57:45
  example that you gave, there's been times when I've tried to
• 57:49
  get around that person because it just won't move and you do
• 57:53
  get around them, but then you hear like a, you know, like,
• 57:57
  yeah, trying to get around them and it's like, well, what do you
• 57:59
  expect? You're in the way.
• 58:02
  Like I do you know and I think I light a nice about it you know I
• 58:06
  mean I'd understand if like you push the person over or
• 58:09
  something fair enough but like you just try to like be
• 58:13
  unimposing and just walk around them and they won't move and
• 58:16
  they get annoyed at you. Yeah, I mean there's been a few
• 58:20
  occasions where I've had like the Tuttle, the side and doing
• 58:23
  that and I've just like, full pelt in Sonic's, boys.
• 58:28
  It's been like, you're too slow. I just kept walking like I'm
• 58:34
  trying to get from A to B, that's literally what I'm here
• 58:37
  to do. Like, we're silikal better, man.
• 58:41
  We are literally, as we both approach, 30 know, I've always
• 58:45
  been like this teenager, but at least these days like, um, a bit
• 58:53
  more like, I just let it go. But whatever.
• 58:56
  Let's just my own weird insecurities, but when I was a
• 58:59
  teenager, I was like, truly angry at the world and every
• 59:01
  single shape and form. I didn't I didn't know that I
• 59:04
  had social anxiety. I just thought that.
• 59:09
  Well, I even had two things. I either one felt like everyone
• 59:12
  was my enemy which is very own brand, being a teenager or yeah.
• 59:17
  And big anemic or it was like kind of I felt like I was the
• 59:21
  freak and everyone else is okay. And I'm just I just can't ya
• 59:27
  functioning planet Earth. Yeah, I think I'm all that comes
• 59:31
  to my school Clique. So I think once you see that
• 59:35
  she's so sitting outside of it, that's something that annoys.
• 59:38
  Me about school. Well, when we were at school
• 59:40
  because these days, I kid you not, every kid seems to be like
• 59:47
  that, it's Blurred Lines that you don't really.
• 59:48
  I mean, I apparently there are cliques, I hear, but a lot of
• 59:51
  the fun there aren't clicks so you can like listen to whatever
• 59:54
  music dressed whatever way you want and the norm give you
• 59:56
  problems. Now, if I'm wrong in that fine,
• 59:59
  you know, I'm not teenager in these days but I can tell you
• 1:00:02
  now and that me up earlier when we were teenagers.
• 1:00:06
  Oh my god, did we get bullied? Just Swearing blood black
• 1:00:10
  sometimes. Yeah.
• 1:00:11
  Not even necessarily wearing band shirts or anything was like
• 1:00:13
  oh you're wearing skinny jeans. You prick.
• 1:00:16
  Like what? Yeah, so with that.
• 1:00:18
  Let's watch. Meanwhile the cool thing was to
• 1:00:20
  wear all black fans. Yeah.
• 1:00:22
  Let's go always choose and and and the and the most annoying
• 1:00:25
  because everybody just Hypocrites.
• 1:00:28
  Like I remember I won't say his name but there was a guy in my
• 1:00:31
  form, who gave me lots of hassle for having an emo hair, right?
• 1:00:37
  And, and then I don't know, Franz Ferdinand gets pretty big,
• 1:00:41
  you know, whatever 80s Revival in the 2000s, right?
• 1:00:44
  Suddenly everyone's got that haircut and I go up to him and
• 1:00:47
  I'm like I'll tell you is named after you probably won't
• 1:00:50
  remember him, but I was like, oh, okay.
• 1:00:53
  So now you've got emo hair and you were giving me problems, you
• 1:00:56
  know, like a year or two ago, what gives and he's like oh
• 1:01:00
  what's fashionable down? I'm just like, you know, I know
• 1:01:04
  so this guy remember he wore args mail out.
• 1:01:08
  I didn't even know they made at my logs and I remember We all
• 1:01:13
  just looked at him like what were you wearing?
• 1:01:16
  Well, I mean tweets are owning it like it.
• 1:01:18
  To each their own batteries do is you're going to have your own
• 1:01:21
  style. What I was most about resizing
• 1:01:24
  others like he literally was brutal with with the name
• 1:01:28
  calling and being mean and stuff and then like I chose not to say
• 1:01:31
  anything in that scenario. I just I think my demeanor said
• 1:01:35
  it was I oh okay. It was talking about is uh,
• 1:01:40
  everyone else walked in and I was I just kind of thought I'm
• 1:01:42
  not going to be that guy because you know two wrongs don't make a
• 1:01:46
  right, but this is quite funny thing.
• 1:01:48
  It's kind of resurgence is kind of happening again.
• 1:01:51
  Now what do you are seeing believe that a lot of people
• 1:01:55
  like now just now want to pull off their their emo selves.
• 1:02:01
  They and they probably gave people shit for it in the past,
• 1:02:03
  but now like he knows becoming a bit more.
• 1:02:06
  Trendy again and you're finding a lot more.
• 1:02:09
  People are kind of like shifting towards it.
• 1:02:11
  Which to be honest I don't think it necessarily A Bad Thing, me
• 1:02:14
  more than modern teenagers. Or did you mean I don't see as
• 1:02:18
  well? Peter well that's cool.
• 1:02:23
  I mean because and I think it's good for the genre well I do
• 1:02:27
  find it funny that like much like them like people who would
• 1:02:31
  rip into the emo kids and now like okay no I totally want to
• 1:02:37
  go and see some other people that we went to school with the
• 1:02:45
  maybe we're a bit mean to us. but now suddenly emo super emos,
• 1:02:52
  And can you confirm or deny because that's interesting to me
• 1:02:58
  not like super Emos and not necessarily people like mean to
• 1:03:02
  us. Okay?
• 1:03:04
  But like there are people that were kind of in that seen
• 1:03:07
  before. Yeah, well that's cool.
• 1:03:11
  That's do now of reappearing in the scene because it's become
• 1:03:14
  more of like a I don't have a thing again, I don't know.
• 1:03:18
  I don't have so much from the that so by thinking like, you
• 1:03:23
  are seeing like, suede's of people coming into the scene now
• 1:03:28
  who clearly like, Weren't originally a part of that.
• 1:03:32
  A lot of people have come from like the rap scene and stuff
• 1:03:34
  like that, how we get, there is no issue with that.
• 1:03:36
  Like, I don't, I don't want to date, keep pop-punk, let it, let
• 1:03:40
  it fly. If you enjoy it, have fun with
• 1:03:42
  it. Look at her for all, she's back,
• 1:03:44
  smashing it again, and stuff like that.
• 1:03:45
  And people are noticing and it's Austin, but I think we are
• 1:03:49
  seeing one of those kind of chains again, where he most
• 1:03:52
  becoming trendy again, and people has 200.
• 1:03:55
  I mean, look how quickly MC are sold out, Milton Keynes.
• 1:04:00
  And then how Despite it for like three years and it was like the
• 1:04:04
  second coming of Jesus for Emos like to be everyone.
• 1:04:08
  I know was at that gig to be play.
• 1:04:10
  It's insane. I will say this about MCR.
• 1:04:14
  I was critical back in the Dave but I did secretly like the way
• 1:04:17
  I felt was I loved their first two albums.
• 1:04:20
  I did not care as much for the Black Parade as other people
• 1:04:25
  did. I thought there was some decent
• 1:04:26
  songs on there, but wasn't really that it fast but when
• 1:04:29
  they released their fourth album, I was so on board with
• 1:04:32
  that as oh, this is cool. This is a new thing.
• 1:04:35
  They're going for, I love this and then they just quit, I don't
• 1:04:38
  know. Yeah, got it.
• 1:04:40
  And that's the thing. They quit on a high on a huge
• 1:04:43
  high. Like, you know, that they were
• 1:04:45
  entitled, they were really good and then coming back after all
• 1:04:48
  these years, I think it's much more than like, an emo
• 1:04:50
  resurgent. I think it's just seeing a
• 1:04:51
  genuinely great back because I've heard a lot of people say
• 1:04:54
  that MC are really really good life as well.
• 1:04:56
  You see, ya then that might be a part of it, too.
• 1:05:01
  I kind of like the first album second album I was really into,
• 1:05:04
  I really like the black parade wasn't so much into the fourth
• 1:05:07
  album and and then like later on in life, I started to realize
• 1:05:16
  that I'm going. So a lot of people by saying
• 1:05:20
  this, but I was basically in a bit of a cult Being an MC, our
• 1:05:24
  fan. I was basically in a bit of a
• 1:05:27
  cult And it's like what you said, there were a lot of
• 1:05:33
  issues. I think you'll recall from back
• 1:05:35
  in the day, where with people basically self-harming, and then
• 1:05:44
  being like, MC are saved my life and using that as a thing.
• 1:05:48
  But where is that was an original thing?
• 1:05:49
  That was like, people that were struggling and were self-harming
• 1:05:52
  then and so I did help them kind of became a bit of a trend and I
• 1:05:59
  look back at it now and I'm like, I don't I don't know if
• 1:06:02
  that necessarily was the healthiest environment for a
• 1:06:05
  teenager like myself. I'm going to show a couple of to
• 1:06:08
  be around on this. I think that First of all, there
• 1:06:13
  are a lot of bands around the error that you could say, you
• 1:06:18
  could attribute to that. Yeah, that's very sure.
• 1:06:22
  Secondly, I there was nothing contained within the lyrics of
• 1:06:28
  their songs. Specifically MCI cars, nowadays.
• 1:06:31
  Yeah, but there was nothing in there that was even remotely
• 1:06:37
  encouraging, self-harm or anything like that.
• 1:06:39
  There were no I don't think that was.
• 1:06:41
  So this is the fan base was perpetuating it in with?
• 1:06:44
  Yeah because I remember at the time, there was right around the
• 1:06:48
  time, the Blackberry came out the UK press were on the case of
• 1:06:53
  Emos and You know, Jean and they were kind of attacking it and
• 1:06:58
  saying that all this music causes self-harm and it was we
• 1:07:01
  all kind of rejected and it was ridiculous.
• 1:07:04
  It was unfounded, they put MC are at the heart of that was
• 1:07:08
  like being the Catalyst for that and it was completely unfounded.
• 1:07:11
  There was nothing to suggest that you know, nah wasn't the
• 1:07:14
  band's themselves, but I do feel like it was becoming something
• 1:07:17
  that was like, Almost like a it's in reference to someone
• 1:07:23
  that I know you were mentioned earlier who we can name, but
• 1:07:27
  there were certainly this elitist mentality.
• 1:07:31
  And of like, you're not suffering from mental health
• 1:07:33
  issues, like I'm suffering from mental health issues.
• 1:07:36
  You can't be as big and empty our fan.
• 1:07:37
  There's me and I'm talking about and, and that person that we're
• 1:07:42
  not mentioning was not the only person by any means that was on
• 1:07:46
  that hype. That seemed to be I'm a decent
• 1:07:51
  percentage of that fan base and of the scene.
• 1:07:55
  And I think when you're in that environment, that's very
• 1:07:58
  dangerous. I hated that, because it's
• 1:08:00
  something because it existed in everything.
• 1:08:02
  I remember there were people because I was a massive heavy
• 1:08:04
  metal firm and there was people telling me like all whoo, you
• 1:08:08
  know, you can't listen to Children of Bodom or Cradle of
• 1:08:11
  Filth or whatever, because you're not a big enough metal
• 1:08:13
  file. My, why are you on about?
• 1:08:15
  I just listened to. I want to listen to it.
• 1:08:17
  Like, I've been with the same people and other cliques.
• 1:08:19
  It's would be like, oh, well, you can't listen to rap, says,
• 1:08:22
  who? What we are about and the Beast
• 1:08:24
  done, it sounds like pop. And it's like, well, I'm a
• 1:08:27
  musician. So, I like music anyway and be,
• 1:08:30
  I just like good music. So, we'll see.
• 1:08:33
  I've, I've discussed this with my good friend and DJ colleague
• 1:08:38
  Dan kid. Kicked London, and the metal
• 1:08:41
  scene is the most gate key P seen in the history of Music.
• 1:08:47
  Nothing changes in the metal scene.
• 1:08:49
  You still have the same six bands headlining download year
• 1:08:52
  after year, I've noticed this all the ridiculous.
• 1:08:56
  It's like, yeah, I mean it's great for Our Generation but for
• 1:08:59
  new fans of metal, it's like, surely there's shit.
• 1:09:03
  I mean, it's interesting, isn't it?
• 1:09:04
  I mean, because I know nothing, I've been unplugged from the
• 1:09:06
  middle seen for a long time. Like, I'm still listening to
• 1:09:08
  what I listened to about 20 G's occasionally.
• 1:09:11
  I might hear something nowadays. That's like fairly interesting
• 1:09:14
  but mostly I just listen to the same old bands, right?
• 1:09:17
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:09:18
  Whenever you see the Festival lineups.
• 1:09:20
  It's always just like corn. I don't know.
• 1:09:23
  Let's have a car teleca. Yeah, well, I'm Aiden.
• 1:09:26
  Those ones you can understand. But like, I mean think they've
• 1:09:30
  had their day I think I think in order for not had their day but
• 1:09:33
  like I think in order for festivals like download Festival
• 1:09:37
  to thrive in the future, they need to look at some other acts
• 1:09:42
  like Bring Me The Horizon Brian whether you like him or hate him
• 1:09:45
  have proven, they can headline download.
• 1:09:48
  I've seen them play. They know, they know headline
• 1:09:50
  damage shortly before not main stage, really nice.
• 1:09:54
  And it's like, I've seen them, pull an incredible crowd at
• 1:09:58
  reading that they just held our own Festival in Malta and they
• 1:10:02
  smashed it. Right.
• 1:10:03
  It's very interesting actually because I mean, I really highly
• 1:10:08
  admire them. They're great life burned,
• 1:10:11
  that's surprising. They've got, they've got huge
• 1:10:13
  fan base, as well as if you would, if you would put them on
• 1:10:16
  Main stage. Like, I mean, you probably sell
• 1:10:18
  out. Download just on that alone.
• 1:10:20
  Yeah, I was lucky enough to see them just after we came out of
• 1:10:23
  lockdown. After the last, stop down at the
• 1:10:26
  O2 and it was genuine incredible.
• 1:10:29
  The production value was phenomenal and it's like and
• 1:10:34
  that's it. Apart.
• 1:10:35
  Another perfect example, that gatekeeping thing as my friend.
• 1:10:38
  Dan said, last last time I saw him he was like, you got these
• 1:10:41
  guys are like, oh you listen to bring me Jus even listen to pray
• 1:10:46
  for place that fuck you. Do you even listen to pay for
• 1:10:48
  play because I do. Nobody is that why you gang?
• 1:10:50
  Keeping this shit like it's pointless and I feel like the
• 1:10:54
  metal scene just does this. So that's where they don't even
• 1:10:56
  like, play that stuff anymore. Deliver pain.
• 1:10:58
  Pray for painting anymore. This is like, which is like
• 1:11:07
  socks that. But I know, I don't understand
• 1:11:13
  where that, I guess. It must just be like, a
• 1:11:16
  protector to, like, feeling wanting to feel that your Art
• 1:11:19
  something. So you you gatekeeper because
• 1:11:21
  you don't want other people to change it in some way, but it's
• 1:11:26
  like, it's just yeah, I don't know.
• 1:11:28
  It's I think it comes down to the whole thing is, you bullied
• 1:11:31
  me for this so now, you can't think this is cool.
• 1:11:35
  I think that's a huge part of. They're like, oh we, you know,
• 1:11:37
  we in the, in the pop punk scene, or in the metal scene
• 1:11:40
  were outclassed. Well, we were normal and now you
• 1:11:43
  want to get involved. So now you have to go through.
• 1:11:45
  What I went through this like, yo, you just got a sorry you
• 1:11:48
  went through that. It's got stuff.
• 1:11:50
  But yeah, like you can't just hold everyone else over me.
• 1:11:53
  See a booty like I did. Well, guess what?
• 1:11:55
  We're in our late 20s early 30s. Are you gonna happen?
• 1:11:59
  Go over. It might as well have someone
• 1:12:01
  else. You can have a connection with
• 1:12:03
  you didn't previously over some music then just below that fuck
• 1:12:08
  you. And well, I don't want to see.
• 1:12:09
  I just think I think one thing and one thing you have to
• 1:12:11
  understand as well is that like in adult life?
• 1:12:13
  Like it's not to say that bullying doesn't happen because
• 1:12:15
  it does, but he gets dealt out with, in a different way when
• 1:12:20
  you were at school, bullying was almost like I don't know, it
• 1:12:26
  wasn't really dealt with schools always failed us when it came to
• 1:12:30
  dating. Yeah.
• 1:12:31
  And so we have a bubble of a lot of stuff especially us, both
• 1:12:34
  inside. And outside of school, we had
• 1:12:36
  caught up with him all the time, and it just became a part of
• 1:12:38
  life, but then, as you get older, you become an adult.
• 1:12:42
  You realize like, for the most part, I do my language.
• 1:12:44
  No one gives a shit like you can listen what you want.
• 1:12:48
  You can dress, however you want, no one gives a shit.
• 1:12:51
  Sometimes you might get a few are sold comments, but most
• 1:12:53
  people don't care there. Just trying to live their life
• 1:12:56
  and whatever, you know. Yeah.
• 1:12:58
  It's I'll get a lot of people enjoying the music of Machine
• 1:13:02
  Gun Kelly. Okay I got a love-hate for
• 1:13:04
  enjoying this purple hooter. Who gives you this?
• 1:13:06
  Hey, who are these people people in the pop punk scene?
• 1:13:09
  He's probably the most divisive person in the entire pop punk
• 1:13:11
  scene, to be icy. Hot, seen how your mouth seen
• 1:13:13
  loving and but who are the audience, random people on the
• 1:13:16
  internet? Give me crap.
• 1:13:18
  The quite a, quite a few people on my, my friend sister, I
• 1:13:21
  remember when I paged, if I got my tickets for his, but I would
• 1:13:23
  record show friends of yours wheelchair.
• 1:13:25
  Friends of mine were all like yeah, they saying it.
• 1:13:29
  Well, I kind of figured I'm just like Okay, cool.
• 1:13:34
  Like I I love it and I just have to look at when they're leaving.
• 1:13:38
  Those kind of comments as like it's just a bit a light ribbing.
• 1:13:42
  Like yeah, I don't let myself believe in my head that people
• 1:13:47
  are so upset with the fact that I like an artist that they are
• 1:13:52
  going to leave these kind of comic.
• 1:13:54
  I can't wrap my head around that because I'm just like, yeah, it
• 1:13:57
  sounds like it is that I know you will.
• 1:13:58
  You've got more to do with your lives in this almost sounds like
• 1:14:00
  it's different. This is jobs Little Light.
• 1:14:03
  Reading about those kind of, do I have to say it because I
• 1:14:07
  honestly, with how busy I am, as a human being and how little of
• 1:14:11
  my own time? I have, I can't believe that's
• 1:14:14
  what people really wanted to do with this, hmm?
• 1:14:17
  Like like I can't believe that people are actually people.
• 1:14:21
  I know, obviously not complete strangers on the internet
• 1:14:24
  because we know they will go out and do but like, people, I know,
• 1:14:27
  I just have to assume that I have a good laugh for this.
• 1:14:30
  They ever got time to be. Be being malicious with it, you
• 1:14:33
  know, I mean, what I've noticed is like anyone that's just mean
• 1:14:37
  to you on the internet. Chances are they're hurting.
• 1:14:39
  They're going through something in their own life.
• 1:14:41
  So they're attacking you to feel better, or they're jealous of
• 1:14:44
  you, maybe don't know, because a lot of the comments, I get
• 1:14:49
  either on videos or in live streams, they just kind of like
• 1:14:53
  unfounded and really random and it's like, yeah, you know, I
• 1:14:57
  mean, like, He liked it. So I got a comment on one of my
• 1:15:02
  videos on one of my Sonic. 06 play series.
• 1:15:05
  It was I have you tried pressing other buttons and on my okay yes
• 1:15:11
  clearly because different bonds have different functions and I'm
• 1:15:15
  not just in the same function there's like to hell.
• 1:15:17
  I was like Think this was, you know, I think this is me being
• 1:15:22
  very cynical. I didn't that and just laugh
• 1:15:24
  along to it. I've ever the end of the color.
• 1:15:26
  I just put like, yeah, I should probably probably tried doing
• 1:15:29
  that sometime. Oh, also, thank you for watching
• 1:15:32
  just turn it. That's what I tried.
• 1:15:34
  Do, like a covering, the could coming that's trying to be - I'm
• 1:15:36
  like, let's try and tensed around this time.
• 1:15:38
  Make this a day over a joke at my expense.
• 1:15:40
  We can't laugh at yourself. What can you laugh at you?
• 1:15:42
  Yeah, for sure. Remember their bitch, I'm trying
• 1:15:45
  to put there were positive spin on it.
• 1:15:49
  I think so that is the philosophy.
• 1:15:54
  We've been talking for well over an hour and I didn't even God
• 1:15:57
  damn it. I didn't even get to any of the
• 1:15:59
  stuff. I was going to ask you so fast
• 1:16:01
  as it's been, it's been a usual thing for anyone that listening.
• 1:16:04
  I hope you've enjoyed back and forth, six times.
• 1:16:07
  You've been on the show, man, six, I love it.
• 1:16:10
  I love being here, obviously, London.
• 1:16:12
  It's such an honor to be here. I find it's a very special
• 1:16:16
  connection. Between me and you purely on the
• 1:16:18
  fact that we were the Americans in school, we were those here.
• 1:16:22
  We've known each other this along and our lives deviate or
• 1:16:26
  different parts. And yet many years ago, we found
• 1:16:29
  each other again through content creator, I've just like a so
• 1:16:32
  wonderful. I love, I love coming here to
• 1:16:35
  chat with you. I kind of view what you do is
• 1:16:39
  like one of the foundations of my YouTube Journey, do you know?
• 1:16:43
  I mean like you know how about you see the sidemen and you?
• 1:16:48
  And then we like best for use in that video is up.
• 1:16:50
  But this is the this is the foundation of our careers as
• 1:16:55
  content creators and then one day when we both have like two
• 1:16:59
  million Subs so I would remember him from back in the day.
• 1:17:02
  Yeah, he's doing a lot. Loads of videos, so just pop in
• 1:17:05
  and, you know, I think the weird part about it for me is that
• 1:17:10
  like I see the man you've become and I, you know, I really
• 1:17:13
  respect you and you know, I'm very proud of you and then I
• 1:17:16
  ought to but like there's a part of me that I always just look at
• 1:17:19
  you. And I just see that kid that I
• 1:17:20
  used to like chat with and, you know, we'd mock each other.
• 1:17:25
  And I just, I just remember, I have said this in previous shows
• 1:17:28
  but like just, you know, I was bunking off lessons in the
• 1:17:33
  infirmary and, and you, you're there because you genuinely
• 1:17:36
  needed to be there and you were always just nice and you totally
• 1:17:39
  knew what was up. You won't say anything.
• 1:17:42
  And we just have fun at. I remember stuff like that and I
• 1:17:45
  always see you as that that boy. And yeah but we're men now and
• 1:17:51
  told us with life, that's it. It's like I've grown up
• 1:17:55
  significantly since those days but my friend Phil actually said
• 1:18:00
  this and I first I didn't know what to make of it.
• 1:18:03
  But now I kind of like it and he's like you have this like
• 1:18:08
  Childish naivety when it comes to Sonic like you have this like
• 1:18:14
  child sense of wonder about it where you do believe, like the
• 1:18:19
  things that is trying to tell people like, you know, with your
• 1:18:22
  friends, you can do anything and you never give our little this
• 1:18:26
  kind of stuff like these lessons that we teach the kids, you
• 1:18:29
  still very much. Hold those families are those
• 1:18:31
  like it's kind of true, I've become a cynical grumpy old man
• 1:18:37
  but The same time I still kind of believe in that stuff and
• 1:18:42
  believe in trying to make people's days at Briar and that
• 1:18:44
  kind of thing. So there's still elements of
• 1:18:47
  teenage me there. I think in a lot of ways you
• 1:18:50
  need that you need. Yeah.
• 1:18:52
  But you need people like that in life.
• 1:18:53
  And I think that that's something that needs to be
• 1:18:56
  savored and cherished because we need to keep kind of keep that
• 1:19:01
  childhood innocence that sense of wonder and Happiness.
• 1:19:07
  Yeah, I'm from the news. I completely agree 100% 100% but
• 1:19:13
  yeah, no, I'm so I'm so proud of you and what you're doing and
• 1:19:16
  where you've got to, man, like, I just want to say this to
• 1:19:19
  anyone watching, right? Like you do not understand the
• 1:19:24
  work that goes into this episode.
• 1:19:27
  Now, for me, I've just sat in my studio for our and say five now
• 1:19:32
  or chained to this good man. But like you don't understand
• 1:19:38
  the level of editing and production that goes into making
• 1:19:42
  this podcast happen and it's like I said, I'm just doing a
• 1:19:46
  video recently and I equated it to like one minute of a video
• 1:19:53
  for me in the kind of videos I make is 2 hours of empty.
• 1:20:00
  Two hours. Well, he's understand when you
• 1:20:03
  watch this stuff that we produce that it takes a hell of a long
• 1:20:07
  time and because of that and the effort that goes into should
• 1:20:11
  really go and get this man. Some love by hitting the
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  Subscribe button, smashing the bell with the medications on to
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  you, never miss out on any of the latest Christian roof
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  podcast something and of course Apple icon.
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  This help other people. See, it really helps the
• 1:20:22
  engagement. Leave that comment down below.
• 1:20:24
  He needs that love. I'll be leaving a comment down
• 1:20:27
  there before. The hearts you can heart, that
• 1:20:29
  it will be all good. For the comment rounding, be
• 1:20:31
  fantastic. So yeah, give this guy some
• 1:20:33
  love. Go back over there and do you
• 1:20:35
  sweetheart? That's great.
• 1:20:38
  This is the script of my head that it is as good.
• 1:20:40
  Said, you practice that in the mirror and I think, I probably
• 1:20:46
  practiced it a few times at the start of this career.
• 1:20:51
  And now, I don't need to, I just do it all the time, sometimes
• 1:20:54
  some of my life, you've got Rissler.
• 1:20:55
  But yeah, sure. But before I give it that kind
• 1:20:57
  of sausage smoked, some kind of its YouTube channel.
• 1:20:59
  Let's go. I can just do stuff like that
• 1:21:01
  now and it's really worrying. I've become the thing.
• 1:21:05
  I hated when I first started watching YouTube Oh my God, I'm
• 1:21:08
  J Poole. I wish April.
• 1:21:11
  No, you don't know, I don't know.
• 1:21:14
  He's always got the money. He's got the success and he's
• 1:21:17
  beating every single person who goes into a boxing ring with.
• 1:21:20
  So you know, like I'll take some always got, he's got a couple of
• 1:21:24
  Bill in the bank. Surely, I'd only want a billion,
• 1:21:27
  just just one mill. Just one mill.
• 1:21:30
  Actually no to Mill too much. Just want to middle.
• 1:21:32
  And then one bill for the house in it and then to the second
• 1:21:36
  meal for just like Investments. It's and portfolio.
• 1:21:39
  Yeah, I'll be happy. I want to throw some random
• 1:21:42
  questions you that I had intended to.
• 1:21:45
  This is what actually intended for the show to be was all these
• 1:21:48
  questions I have here but okay we we didn't even go for that
• 1:21:51
  but I love that because that perfect just flowing from one to
• 1:21:55
  save them. Save some for next time for
• 1:21:58
  sure. But when I asked you a few now
• 1:22:00
  because I'm just, I'm just intrigued and I feel like yes
• 1:22:02
  you might get some good answers. What's one thing in life that
• 1:22:07
  never fails to make you happy? Music.
• 1:22:17
  Doesn't Matter What scenario? I mean whether I'm happy sad
• 1:22:23
  relaxed there is a song for that like for instance, when I go to
• 1:22:29
  Amsterdam on Tuesday I have had a low fire plainest that I have
• 1:22:34
  been building since covid specifically to be listened to
• 1:22:38
  in Amsterdam to walk around the streets of Amsterdam at night
• 1:22:41
  and listen to because it's such a beautiful city.
• 1:22:43
  And suddenly like the the tunes I picked reminded Me of being so
• 1:22:49
  I can't wait and things like that that that's going to.
• 1:22:52
  I'm really looking forward to that experience and like one of
• 1:22:56
  them my DJ and like I've got that round a loved one itself
• 1:22:59
  was his kind of intrinsically linked to music like doing my
• 1:23:02
  DJing it's just there's no. Okay, I'm thinking this about.
• 1:23:07
  Yeah, that could work. Drop it.
• 1:23:09
  Okay. Everyone's got off.
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  Like I dropped pendulum at the last face down.
• 1:23:13
  So pop punk, mine and I was, I okay, I'm going to end my last
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  set. Edward Propane, Nightmares, and
• 1:23:19
  just see how that goes off. It absolutely went off, and I
• 1:23:22
  was just like, I love being able to do this.
• 1:23:24
  This is so because you wouldn't go there expecting to hear that.
• 1:23:27
  Would you really? Like you said to hear all the
• 1:23:29
  small things or whatever, but not necessarily that and I'm
• 1:23:31
  like, okay, no, I'll drop the kid laroy in there.
• 1:23:34
  Like, go on. Let's have some fun with it.
• 1:23:36
  Like it's just yeah, I think music.
• 1:23:38
  It's just Never fails to make me happy.
• 1:23:41
  Always always a good one and failing that opening a pack of
• 1:23:45
  Pokemon cards. They actually no because if you
• 1:23:48
  don't go Hollow in it then you dig up sets out your attract
• 1:23:51
  like okay, similar question. What in life?
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  Never fails to move you. Do we mean move physically or
• 1:24:04
  moving emotions? And that is, what could be the
• 1:24:08
  big one there because I have to physically get there
• 1:24:10
  emotionally. And I knew someone would ask me
• 1:24:14
  that. If I ask that question, it's got
• 1:24:16
  to be done. Can I give up okay?
• 1:24:22
  Yeah, like again, this is this always something for every
• 1:24:27
  scenario and I'll tell her I'll put a cute little anecdote
• 1:24:30
  story. So not last year last year.
• 1:24:36
  The say the Sonic thing is that a bursary Concert Experience
• 1:24:38
  that's happened. It was my favorite thing I've
• 1:24:40
  ever seen on the internet. It was my favorite live stream
• 1:24:43
  over dumb. My entire chat was typing out
• 1:24:46
  the lyrics to the songs in full caps.
• 1:24:48
  Like, we were at a concert together.
• 1:24:49
  I've just singing along to it. It was amazing.
• 1:24:52
  It was like my first online contact.
• 1:24:54
  I think it was the best thing ever and I specifically timed it
• 1:24:59
  on my first day, starting a Seder.
• 1:25:02
  That I would listen to a certain song.
• 1:25:03
  From that thing, that means a hell of a lot to me called
• 1:25:05
  Endless Possibilities, which is literally about like, they're
• 1:25:10
  being Endless Possibilities to life.
• 1:25:11
  You just got to go out and take it kind of thing.
• 1:25:14
  I remember walking up the Great West Road as the course is
• 1:25:19
  coming in, and I just see the Savior building at the distance
• 1:25:22
  and it just II said that it was a jet like you did it, you've
• 1:25:29
  literally made it to where you've always wanted to be.
• 1:25:32
  And again, it was the perfect combination of reaching that
• 1:25:38
  overview but you could see it and the Muse the chorus coming
• 1:25:41
  into that perfect moment and it just, it moved me differently in
• 1:25:45
  a way that just, I can't really explain.
• 1:25:49
  So again, I would have to say music, I'm sorry to your viewers
• 1:25:52
  because it just Giving the same answer, but I just feel that
• 1:25:55
  with music, there is so much with that.
• 1:25:58
  You can any scenario you can, you can use music.
• 1:26:02
  And that there is a song for that scenario to hope you are.
• 1:26:07
  Bring you down wherever you want from.
• 1:26:09
  That moment, there is a song together and I thought so, yeah,
• 1:26:14
  I would say music music more than anything.
• 1:26:16
  What do you value? Most in life and why?
• 1:26:22
  I would say the people around me because I do that's probably
• 1:26:27
  quite generic one. No, I was laughing because I
• 1:26:30
  thought we were going to go with the hat trick and music.
• 1:26:32
  Oh my God. Yeah, I would definitely send
• 1:26:38
  people around me because I You know, like we we spoken quite a
• 1:26:44
  bit on this podcast about like, how how we were picked on at
• 1:26:47
  school and how difficult things were for us.
• 1:26:50
  And now like because of that, my feeling of self-worth is very
• 1:26:57
  poor. I don't, I don't consider myself
• 1:26:59
  in the best light in a lot of ways really times now.
• 1:27:03
  Yeah, it's to this day. I still like I'm still very down
• 1:27:07
  on myself about a lot of things. Oh you shouldn't be murdered
• 1:27:11
  Fenton. I really am working on that and
• 1:27:14
  I'm trying but I fight I feel that like the people I have
• 1:27:19
  around me now. First of like, I'll just say
• 1:27:24
  quickly as I can anecdotal pieces.
• 1:27:25
  Well, like the people that I now chill with face out and Fuji,
• 1:27:30
  the people that I consider my family, they're the people.
• 1:27:33
  I looked up to for a long time. A lot of them are like, older
• 1:27:36
  than me and they're like mid-30s, right?
• 1:27:39
  I'm just about to enter my 30s in a ranging in between and
• 1:27:42
  their people. I've looked up to since I was
• 1:27:43
  18. My first started going to these
• 1:27:45
  clubs and now they're like, absolutely family to me who
• 1:27:49
  under no circumstances will. Let me feel bad about myself.
• 1:27:52
  Like I don't like call out names because I will be here all
• 1:27:57
  fucking day. But like I'll pull out some
• 1:28:00
  particular not because Sanders more than anything else but like
• 1:28:03
  it's just a good example of things.
• 1:28:05
  So that there was a face, I'm a couple of months ago where we
• 1:28:09
  have a lot of guest, DJs we had some pretty cool guests coming
• 1:28:12
  in to do this and I was like, just wanted to check with you if
• 1:28:16
  I am DJing. I know the backstage room has
• 1:28:18
  been a bit quiet. Slut, you not want me to be in
• 1:28:21
  one because I'm I was generally doing the opening set so like I
• 1:28:25
  was just like obviously big big names coming in.
• 1:28:27
  Do you want to save the space and that kind of thing and he's
• 1:28:29
  like, I'm not having this slide stop being bad with you.
• 1:28:33
  I'm not having this. You've called sure that I'm
• 1:28:35
  like, I really appreciate that. Thank you know, it's not
• 1:28:39
  necessary because I was being so down on myself.
• 1:28:41
  In that instance, it was more like but we've got quite a stack
• 1:28:44
  to build the city evening, like you showing you one little old
• 1:28:46
  me to do something but it's like I'm surrounded by people like
• 1:28:49
  that. Now, who just I refuse to let me
• 1:28:52
  fall in that regard. Jess, my girlfriend's amazing
• 1:28:55
  that regard as well like that. He's just like, you're not
• 1:28:57
  allowed to finish it by yourself anymore.
• 1:28:59
  You have to be positive. You have to kind of bring
• 1:29:03
  something to everyone else, like bring that Hatcher that we love
• 1:29:07
  to everyone else. So, I would absolutely say it's
• 1:29:11
  the people around me, but the caveat to that look up.
• 1:29:15
  Again, a little anecdote story, I want to tell is the other week
• 1:29:19
  at work, I received a letter from a child named Jack.
• 1:29:25
  You had written out about how much he loves Sonic and he had
• 1:29:30
  drawn, a picture of Sonic Tails and Knuckles fighting Eggman.
• 1:29:36
  And it was legitimately like, I cried reading it because I was
• 1:29:40
  like, this is me and if this kid literally could have been me and
• 1:29:46
  I'm currently working on something again, I was saying
• 1:29:49
  earlier about how say you're not staying in your lane.
• 1:29:51
  I'm currently working with someone to have some sort of
• 1:29:55
  like cards with stickers and stuff like that with a response
• 1:29:59
  from Sonic that we can send out to all of these kids.
• 1:30:03
  You writings, we get a lot of these letters and being able to
• 1:30:06
  Things like that like to give. This kid like some of the hope
• 1:30:13
  and passion I had for seonguk of that age is like one of the most
• 1:30:18
  rewarding things, I think I've ever I've ever felt.
• 1:30:22
  And it's interesting because I was having this conversation
• 1:30:25
  with just recently when she was like like your happiness needs
• 1:30:30
  to matter and I was like At the end of the day, whilst I agree
• 1:30:38
  with you, Sonic matters more because Sonic means so much to
• 1:30:46
  so many people out there that I I need to do everything within
• 1:30:51
  my power to do everything I can to this franchise so that it can
• 1:30:56
  be the best ever can be so that all those kids out there who are
• 1:31:00
  mean, he's that age have something to believe in
• 1:31:03
  something to hold onto. And something to teach them
• 1:31:06
  right from wrong and teaching the values that give me your
• 1:31:10
  protect, your friends and, you know, you can do anything if you
• 1:31:13
  put your mind to it, and it's things like that.
• 1:31:15
  So it's the people in my life and I think Pace, I am at in
• 1:31:19
  life, but I get to influence in this way and I get to hopefully
• 1:31:24
  positively affect the lives of. A lot of people just by caring
• 1:31:28
  about the franchise and try and do everything I can for it.
• 1:31:31
  So yeah. It's very it's very long-winded
• 1:31:33
  answer very long. Winded, answer.
• 1:31:35
  But yeah, it's the people I am and where I am in Life or just
• 1:31:39
  things. Like, I value so much that I
• 1:31:41
  couldn't bear to think of losing for the world like not living in
• 1:31:47
  that reality. You very much for sharing and I
• 1:31:51
  shall, I shall always shh as we do things to a close for today.
• 1:31:55
  Do you have any upcoming projects or some final thoughts?
• 1:31:57
  You'd like to leave that our listeners today, obviously
• 1:32:01
  Hatcher voices, 06, Humming, it's going to be a big deal.
• 1:32:07
  You're going to hear me voice Sonic, Shadow Silver, taels
• 1:32:11
  Knuckles, God knows who else is in this game.
• 1:32:14
  I can't remember down Eggman. There's a lot of people in this
• 1:32:16
  game. Nevertheless the dark,
• 1:32:17
  everyone's favorite villain. You're gonna let you know if you
• 1:32:20
  play Sonic 06 you're going to love it.
• 1:32:22
  If you haven't played Sonic 06 because you know, it's one that
• 1:32:24
  regarded as one of the worst games of all time, you're going
• 1:32:28
  to get some other story through watching my videos.
• 1:32:30
  Seriously watch the worktop what this games of all time.
• 1:32:34
  Um any YouTuber and Sonic 06 will be on that list.
• 1:32:37
  It always is. But yeah, look forward to that.
• 1:32:40
  I will have a few more bits coming up that will be revolving
• 1:32:45
  around Sonic Frontiers on its release.
• 1:32:48
  It's not like Prime will be coming this year, so I will be
• 1:32:50
  doing some stuff on that and TV show is shaping up to be
• 1:32:52
  something really cool. And of course, there are some
• 1:32:56
  other projects in the works. That I can't quite speak of yet
• 1:32:59
  and do not involve Sonic, so get involved for that.
• 1:33:03
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• 1:33:06
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• 1:33:11
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• 1:33:15
  Hedgehog statue that I have spent about $500 on on the way,
• 1:33:20
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• 1:33:24
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• 1:33:29
  blown, subscribe to the channel and you'll get, you're going to
• 1:33:31
  get to see that really soon. Well, As opposed to yeah I'm
• 1:33:36
  lost for words as always a pleasure pleasure to have you on
• 1:33:40
  the show. Jack thank you so much for
• 1:33:42
  spending the time here with us today.
• 1:33:44
  And yeah, wishing you all the best.
• 1:33:46
  As always, thank you, man. You to give this man.
• 1:33:49
  Some love is an amazing career. And yeah, thank you so much for
• 1:33:53
  having me is truly enormous to be back on.
• 1:33:55
  I love coming here every single time and had shall return.
• 1:33:59
  Very soon person. There you go thank you very much
• 1:34:02
  for listening and watching the Christian re podcast and as
• 1:34:06
  always be safe be well and I'll see you in the next one.