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The Tinder Swindler Women - Victims or Gold Diggers? · Obnoxiously Pleasant

0:06
SPEAKER_01: I'm Henan.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm Lena.
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SPEAKER_01: Welcome back, everyone, to the Obnoxiously Pleasant podcast.
0:11
SPEAKER_01: Today we are talking about Tinder Swindler.
0:15
SPEAKER_01: Oh my God.
0:16
SPEAKER_02: So I know.
0:18
SPEAKER_01: I I finally watched it last night.
0:19
SPEAKER_01: Lena's been telling me, watch it, watch it, watch it, watch it.
0:22
SPEAKER_01: And then it's kind of like a fun thing for us to do together where we can watch a show and have a discussion like we did, you know, a few weeks back when we did it just like that.
0:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, when you when you uh texted me, you're like, oh my God, like when you finally watched it.
0:37
SPEAKER_02: Okay, please, because I told you, don't tell me what your reactions are.
0:41
SPEAKER_02: Um, because I want it to be just like like on the show, just because we haven't talked about what you thought of it.
0:46
SPEAKER_02: So go ahead and tell me what you thought of it.
0:48
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I'm gonna bring it my notes because I took a whole bunch of notes.
0:50
SPEAKER_02: Oh damn, she's got notes too.
0:52
SPEAKER_01: I did, I did look like a whole bunch of notes.
0:55
SPEAKER_01: Um so you know the one thing that I like the after watching like the the I guess the whole the whole the movie in full, like after watching the whole like documentary in full, yeah, I came to like a conclusion.
1:10
SPEAKER_01: The one thing that all these women have in common is not that they're gold diggers or not that they're stupid, it's that they like really were just trying to help somebody that they cared about, right?
1:18
SPEAKER_01: I don't like I saw the commentary online and like I really hate when somebody um blames the victim, you know?
1:25
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
1:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there was there was there was a lot of that.
1:28
SPEAKER_02: There was a lot of that, and like a lot of men were saying, Um, oh not just men, but there's women too.
1:32
SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't want to just say it's men, but a lot of people were saying, How stupid can they be?
1:36
SPEAKER_02: How gullible can they be?
1:38
SPEAKER_02: But then if you see, like a lot of people don't understand, like especially the ones that didn't watch it.
1:42
SPEAKER_02: This guy did it over time.
1:43
SPEAKER_02: He did.
1:44
SPEAKER_01: It wasn't it wasn't like when you I loved how they brought the um the like they presented messages?
1:49
SPEAKER_01: No, well, no, that's not like like the course of the three women that they interviewed uh in the movie.
1:54
SPEAKER_01: Um, so first you had Cecilia, right?
1:57
SPEAKER_01: Or Cecilia, yeah, Cecilia Cecile.
1:59
SPEAKER_01: Um Cecilia, her name is Cecilia, yeah.
2:02
SPEAKER_01: So she is like um, like she was sort of like the quintessential like woman searching for love.
2:10
SPEAKER_01: She talked about like Disney and you know that whole concept of like what love looked like in Disney and what that meant to her.
2:16
SPEAKER_01: And I thought it was really sweet.
2:18
SPEAKER_01: Like she really had a desire to love and be loved and have like that greed love in her life, right?
2:24
SPEAKER_01: And so was she stupid?
2:26
SPEAKER_01: No, I don't think she was stupid.
2:27
SPEAKER_01: So, like, I what I wrote down was like, you know, she's already been on Tinder, she's seen a lot of people.
2:32
SPEAKER_01: Um, like she's met a lot of guys, and when she saw Simon, you know, I think just like any other human being, she was kind of like excited and taken aback by like his okay, but his death set lifestyle, yeah, right?
2:46
SPEAKER_02: I mean, but like like you don't think she deserves to get called gold digger, obviously.
2:50
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely not, absolutely not.
2:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think we're in agreement on it because like I said, I I think had it been like a matter of weeks where he said that, or even like a couple of months, I think, yeah, I might have said, okay, you're kind of, I mean, a part of it, listen, let's be real, let's be honest.
3:05
SPEAKER_02: This is not gonna happen to me, and it's not gonna happen to you, right?
3:08
SPEAKER_01: That's not true.
3:09
SPEAKER_01: You should never say that.
3:11
SPEAKER_01: So if I called you, like if I you and I are friends now, right?
3:14
SPEAKER_01: Because think about the woman that he'd known, Eileen.
3:17
SPEAKER_01: He was dating her for 14 months.
3:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
3:20
SPEAKER_01: So if I was one of your friends and we'd grown close, and Pernilla was the same way, he was friends with her.
3:27
SPEAKER_01: He wasn't a love interest, and he said, I'm in trouble, you're not gonna give me money to save me.
3:31
SPEAKER_01: You probably would.
3:31
SPEAKER_02: I would give you money because I've known you for years.
3:33
SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't give you money if I met you like two years.
3:35
SPEAKER_02: No, but what I'm saying.
3:36
SPEAKER_01: But but what I'm saying is, like, even if you'd met me two years ago and I'm somebody who because I don't put a stamp on you the how much you care for somebody, it it's not just time isn't the only factor.
3:47
SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of other things that play into that, right?
3:49
SPEAKER_01: So I really think that it depends on what I'm saying.
3:52
SPEAKER_02: He wasn't asking for sorry, Hanan, I don't mean to interrupt, but like he's not asking for a thousand or two thousand dollars.
3:57
SPEAKER_02: He's asking like these girls are like hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt.
4:01
SPEAKER_01: I remember he had already set a precedence of who he is and the type of money that he spends.
4:06
SPEAKER_01: So it would make sense for him to ask for these amounts of money.
4:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
4:09
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I understand that.
4:10
SPEAKER_02: Listen, I'm not blaming them.
4:11
SPEAKER_02: I understand.
4:12
SPEAKER_02: I'm just saying, and I think it's easy for people to judge when you're sitting at home watching a documentary and you think you're smarter than everybody.
4:19
SPEAKER_02: Oh, this will never happen to me.
4:20
SPEAKER_01: No, but I don't think I don't think there's any such thing.
4:23
SPEAKER_01: Like I think, and I literally what I said is um all the victims have the same thing in common.
4:27
SPEAKER_01: They were all good people and they weren't stupid or gold diggers.
4:30
SPEAKER_01: They were people who cared about someone that they loved.
4:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that's why they did what they did.
4:34
SPEAKER_01: And I also think because they cared for him so much and the hurt was so deep, this is why they decided to go super public with this, so that nobody else would fall into the same trap.
4:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I think I I think like part of it also um like the fact that he took his time.
4:51
SPEAKER_02: Uh, and one of them, uh, I think she was just friends with him.
4:54
SPEAKER_02: She didn't even have like Bernilla.
4:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the woman, the woman that he had met on Tinder and it wasn't a love interest.
4:59
SPEAKER_01: They were just friends.
5:00
SPEAKER_01: And she even said herself, like when he met them, when she when he came to meet them in Mykonos in Greece, he paid the tab for everything.
5:08
SPEAKER_01: He was thinking about like a lavish hotel.
5:11
SPEAKER_01: I mean, so then when he calls her later and says, like, hey, I'm gonna bind, she's gonna be like, Oh, well, Simon's like one of the most generous people like ever.
5:18
SPEAKER_02: And like she she basically saw that lifestyle that he had, and she's like, you know what?
5:22
SPEAKER_02: He's he's good for it.
5:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, I'm not gonna have any issues with him.
5:25
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
5:25
SPEAKER_02: You know, but I think the other thing is like some of these women, they lack experience.
5:29
SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, we some of them are just very trusting, you know, and that's and I don't think they should be following.
5:34
SPEAKER_02: I don't think so.
5:35
SPEAKER_01: I don't think it's I don't think it's that they're trusting.
5:37
SPEAKER_01: No, I don't think so at all.
5:38
SPEAKER_02: Because like I So you think it was really love from them?
5:40
SPEAKER_02: Like, because a lot of people question that.
5:42
SPEAKER_02: A lot of people question that they're like, you know, they're just in it for the money.
5:44
SPEAKER_02: No, they saw this billionaire guy, and they're like, you know what?
5:48
SPEAKER_02: This is that's not true.
5:49
SPEAKER_01: That is not true.
5:50
SPEAKER_01: When you have a woman who so here's you have somebody like let's let's talk about every single one separately.
5:56
SPEAKER_01: The first one that they presented, Cecilia, who is the Norwegian woman, right?
6:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Cecilia was, like I said, your quintessential woman, like looking for love.
6:04
SPEAKER_01: And she looks very young too.
6:06
SPEAKER_02: So it's like she was, she was very young.
6:08
SPEAKER_01: I don't think it's about inexperience, I think it's like she met somebody and she literally, you know, gave her heart to somebody.
6:13
SPEAKER_01: Like, you're gonna fault somebody for being caring.
6:15
SPEAKER_01: No, prunilla was not.
6:17
SPEAKER_01: I literally in my notes, I said prernilla is not starry-eyed like Cecilia was prernilla, yeah, yeah, that's so she's smart, and nothing worked out with them romantically, but Simon became a good friend for her, and because he became such a good friend for her, she was like, Oh, there's no way that he he would a good friend doesn't do that to you.
6:36
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
6:37
SPEAKER_01: The last woman, Eileen, the one he dated for 14 months.
6:42
SPEAKER_01: You cannot say she didn't have a clue in her mind.
6:45
SPEAKER_02: Two points I want to mention, and I think a lot of people just forget about the fact that he planted all these stories on Google, like you searched him up.
6:52
SPEAKER_02: The first thing you do when you meet someone is you Google them, right?
6:55
SPEAKER_02: Well, he didn't plant the stories, let's get it straight.
6:57
SPEAKER_02: He made a really story, yeah.
7:00
SPEAKER_02: He made yeah, he he he came up, but he also did plant some stuff on the internet, like you know, the whole website with him and his dad and the pictures, the Photoshop pictures.
7:09
SPEAKER_01: He photoshopped those pictures, those were for Instagram, those were not like so he didn't plant anything when he was talking about um he would always say, Oh, my father, my father, he never planted anything.
7:20
SPEAKER_01: It's like whoever this person, this Lev Leviev person who is this diagram.
7:23
SPEAKER_02: But there was a website, there was a website that he was using.
7:26
SPEAKER_01: No, no, that's the actual website for the guy that he was pretending for the butt.
7:31
SPEAKER_02: What about the emails he was using?
7:33
SPEAKER_02: Even though that's probably not the email addresses they use, but like he he was in his way to create this thing online where if you searched him up, you would say, Okay, yeah, this guy is his son.
7:43
SPEAKER_01: I mean, when you when they went to find his mom, uh, and then she was like, He's not a Yahoot anymore, he is a Leviathan.
7:50
SPEAKER_02: Okay, don't even like she was such a I mean, her attitude, whatever.
7:53
SPEAKER_01: But the other part that I think about it, she should have been nasty.
7:56
SPEAKER_01: She has two random journalists showing up at her door asking her about this person, and she's like, you probably, I mean, her son is a con man.
8:03
SPEAKER_01: I probably would have had the same bad attitude.
8:05
SPEAKER_01: Think about it.
8:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but my my point is the other one, the other thing I wanted to mention is the fact that he had people around him, like the bodyguard who was playing along with this scheme.
8:13
SPEAKER_02: I'm sure that like I don't know, like no one has been able to figure out if he knew or if he of course he was in on it.
8:19
SPEAKER_02: I mean, it doesn't make sense, and then his his kid's mom, like we didn't really know what was that about.
8:26
SPEAKER_02: Like when you see the kid's mom with him, I mean, that's another layer of stuff you gotta do.
8:33
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, no.
8:33
SPEAKER_01: The weird thing is that she was she went to trial against him.
8:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then she came back, right?
8:39
SPEAKER_02: Because she wanted the lifestyle, and he was telling her, Hey, hang out with me, and it gives him more credibility with these women, and he's got like this entire team.
8:47
SPEAKER_01: It's like a perfect Ponzi scheme.
8:49
SPEAKER_01: Oh, it is a Ponzi scheme.
8:51
SPEAKER_01: To fund something else, and then takes that person's money and funds something else, and so on and so on and so on.
8:56
SPEAKER_02: So basically, to wrap that the first part of this up, you you don't think it's their fault, you don't think they were in it for the money, and you think you people shouldn't be victim blaming, obviously.
9:07
SPEAKER_02: And I agree.
9:08
SPEAKER_01: No, they're they're victims.
9:09
SPEAKER_01: It's like people who who you never think that you're gonna everybody thinks, oh, I'm so smart.
9:14
SPEAKER_01: That would never happen to me.
9:14
SPEAKER_01: That would never happen to me.
9:15
SPEAKER_01: I think that's a bunch of crap.
9:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's easier to say that when you're sitting on your couch watching this.
9:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, absolutely, I agree with you.
9:21
SPEAKER_02: But the other thing, the other aspect of it now is now he's using this to try to get into Hollywood.
9:28
SPEAKER_02: And I don't know how real, because you know, nothing he says you can really trust, but he's claiming he has a Hollywood agent.
9:33
SPEAKER_02: And I'm just like, who's gonna?
9:35
SPEAKER_02: And then he's on cameo.
9:36
SPEAKER_02: He's on cameo doing cameo.
9:39
SPEAKER_02: Look, who's gonna hire this guy?
9:40
SPEAKER_01: But then uh I mean, you would be people are weird, you'd be surprised.
9:44
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure somebody out there thinks that he's like um that he is getting the short end of the stick or something because he's a dude.
9:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's some guys online, like on YouTube and on podcasts, who are basically, you know, loving this guy and saying, you know, he only did what all these women usually do to men.
10:00
SPEAKER_02: Do you think that's that's a fair statement?
10:04
SPEAKER_02: Um, no.
10:06
SPEAKER_01: No, it's not like and and here's the thing, right?
10:09
SPEAKER_01: Like, I want to know what women out there, like I'm sure, I'm sure there's women who've done similar things like this, right?
10:15
SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm fairly certain there's women who've done stuff like this.
10:19
SPEAKER_01: I don't think they were promising any of these men a marriage and a baby and a future, right?
10:25
SPEAKER_01: Like it's one thing, in my opinion, when you have a sugar daddy and the person knows that this is the extent of that relationship, but no, this man was promising these women uh love and a home and a family.
10:39
SPEAKER_01: That's one thing.
10:40
SPEAKER_01: And then with the woman that he was friends with, he was just friends with her.
10:44
SPEAKER_01: Like he they were just they just had fun and that was it.
10:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and so I I don't know.
10:48
SPEAKER_01: I I just don't think it's the same.
10:50
SPEAKER_01: I don't think and it's um like you're talking about like tens of millions of dollars, and you're talking about somebody there there's no reason to like uh um draw similarity between a con man, right?
11:03
SPEAKER_01: And a woman who accepts uh how do I I need to say this without sounding like totally without sounding like what just like without with without sounding like a hypocrite.
11:17
SPEAKER_01: Like that's that's the main thing.
11:18
SPEAKER_01: It's one thing I mean, listen, yeah.
11:20
SPEAKER_01: The guy was a thief.
11:20
SPEAKER_01: End of story.
11:21
SPEAKER_01: He was not a thief.
11:22
SPEAKER_01: He was a thief.
11:24
SPEAKER_01: Lying, yeah, psycho.
11:26
SPEAKER_01: No, but at the end of the day, it's all the same thing.
11:28
SPEAKER_01: He stole money, he he used, he manipulated these women and stole their money.
11:34
SPEAKER_01: And it was like when I was watching the the interview, yes, like when I was watching the movie last night, yeah, and the interview with Cecile, where she was crying and said, I was gonna drive my car into the trailer.
11:45
SPEAKER_01: Like that's you you psychologically damaged this woman.
11:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but you know what?
11:50
SPEAKER_02: She was still she was still the because the I think the reporter or the producer actually no, but she still believes someone.
11:57
SPEAKER_02: I think I saw an interview for her.
11:58
SPEAKER_02: Um there's no finding the right person, and that's great.
12:03
SPEAKER_01: I mean, God bless her.
12:04
SPEAKER_01: Me too.
12:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was like, thank god that she's still like this because honestly, I like felt so sad for her.
12:11
SPEAKER_01: I really did.
12:12
SPEAKER_01: I was like, this is this is horrible.
12:14
SPEAKER_01: And she's so sad, yeah.
12:16
SPEAKER_01: And honestly, the fact that she's checked herself into like a psychiatric ward, and but I was so happy that she like turned that around and she's like, I'm gonna find a if you hear all these bleeps in the back, by the way, it's because my number one fan is like working across the table from me.
12:30
SPEAKER_00: Is it Mahmoud?
12:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so my number one fan.
12:33
SPEAKER_00: Hi Mahmoud.
12:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's waving hello, but yeah, he's he just yeah, he was hoping to make a cameo, but you know, I saw Okay, we can do that.
12:44
SPEAKER_02: I'm kidding.
12:44
SPEAKER_02: So the last thing I wanted to talk about, um the fact that this guy has been able to get away with this.
12:52
SPEAKER_02: Like, how is this okay?
12:54
SPEAKER_02: Like, how is this okay?
12:55
SPEAKER_02: Like, he did all this crap in Europe, and there's really no consequences.
13:00
SPEAKER_01: And that's the weird thing.
13:00
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
13:01
SPEAKER_01: Here is my here's my like really yesterday.
13:04
SPEAKER_01: I paused.
13:04
SPEAKER_01: We paused the movie and I was telling Mahmoud this yesterday.
13:07
SPEAKER_01: And Mahmoud's like, no, this is not about like the Palestinian Israeli situation, like, this is just about a man who's a con man.
13:13
SPEAKER_01: I was like, but I just yeah, I have question exactly one question.
13:18
SPEAKER_01: So he was able to make a fake passport and leave the country.
13:23
SPEAKER_01: But like if a Palestinian person farts, they can trace it back six generations.
13:26
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
13:27
SPEAKER_02: So that's whatever.
13:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it blew my mind.
13:32
SPEAKER_02: You're right, you're absolutely right.
13:33
SPEAKER_01: But you know, and then he gets back to And like I said, this is not about being this is literally just like a simple question that I had.
13:40
SPEAKER_01: Like it's not about being an activist, or it's how can I I'm not talking about politics.
13:43
SPEAKER_02: No, no, we're not talking about politics.
13:44
SPEAKER_02: I'm talking about it's because he's it's because he's hype security, yeah.
13:48
SPEAKER_02: He they they don't care.
13:49
SPEAKER_02: I mean, they he got, I think, five months for something.
13:52
SPEAKER_01: Well, Mahmood was telling me like he's not their problem, like he they have bigger fish to fry.
13:56
SPEAKER_01: Like, this is not what they're fucking.
13:58
SPEAKER_02: He listen, he did this.
13:59
SPEAKER_02: I think he he did something in in uh in Tel Aviv or whatever, and then I think he when he went back, he got five months.
14:07
SPEAKER_01: Did you not see the police officer saying that he changed his name?
14:10
SPEAKER_01: Like he he changed his name from like Yahut or Yehuda to um uh Leviev, and then he had another name that he went by.
14:19
SPEAKER_01: And the only reason that he got arrested, I I don't remember, I think in Greece was when Eileen, the woman he'd been dating for like yeah, that's I think told them the name David Sharone, and they were like, Oh yeah, David Sharone.
14:33
SPEAKER_02: And yeah, but they just deported him.
14:35
SPEAKER_02: There are no charges against him.
14:36
SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's just insane.
14:37
SPEAKER_01: The problem is you can't trace his life, he's living his life.
14:40
SPEAKER_01: You can't trace any of this stuff back to him.
14:43
SPEAKER_01: That's the problem because he used one woman's money to buy another woman a lavish lifestyle, you know, rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat.
14:52
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I I can see why nothing, like none of the charges stuck.
14:58
SPEAKER_01: But I was just like I said, for me, I looking at like the women and like what they experienced, one of the things that I wrote down here that like really like that worked for every single one of them is like whether it was a love interest or like a regular friend, is that he made them all feel super comfortable.
15:16
SPEAKER_01: Final thoughts.
15:18
SPEAKER_01: I honestly think that it is like I I I applaud Netflix for turning this into a documentary.
15:25
SPEAKER_01: I think it was really good, and I think it's really important, not just to show that, like, um, well, first of all, it shows one really important thing.
15:33
SPEAKER_01: Online dating is really hard.
15:34
SPEAKER_02: Like you know what I was thinking.
15:37
SPEAKER_02: Speaking of that, I'm like, thank God I'm married, I don't have to deal with this crap.
15:40
unknown: I know.
15:41
SPEAKER_02: No, it is not, but it's not, it's not I'm not trying to hate.
15:44
SPEAKER_02: Like, I know like you're worried now.
15:45
SPEAKER_02: You're like, oh my god, you're hating on all those single people looking for you.
15:47
SPEAKER_01: No, I'm not saying that's not what I'm worried about.
15:50
SPEAKER_01: I I'm just saying I'm not hating on them at all.
15:51
SPEAKER_01: No, I am I am so like I guess befuddled by how awful, like I'm confused by how awful this process is.
16:00
SPEAKER_01: Like to weed through people and and then finally when you think you met somebody, they turn out to be like an international con man.
16:08
SPEAKER_01: Like, not just not just trash is an understatement.
16:12
SPEAKER_02: This person is uh this person's like a it's yeah, it's a psycho, he's a psychopath.
16:17
SPEAKER_02: Sorry, so I cut you off kind of.
16:18
SPEAKER_02: So just tell me final thoughts.
16:20
SPEAKER_01: Final thoughts.
16:21
SPEAKER_01: I thought it was really well done, and I thought it was very like first of all, I thought it was shot really well.
16:27
SPEAKER_01: I love the fact that they got the real women, the personal interviews.
16:30
SPEAKER_01: I love that the women shared like a lot of how this made them feel.
16:34
SPEAKER_01: Not and I love also the fact that they shed a light on how much negativity this was met with, the original article that VG released, because it shows you that if it was a at the at the end of the day, women can't just be victims.
16:49
SPEAKER_01: Like it's it's like it's like almost impossible.
16:51
SPEAKER_01: No, first we have to say it was your fault, you're stupid, you're a gold digger.
16:55
SPEAKER_01: It can't just be that like definitely, yeah.
16:58
SPEAKER_01: So that's one thing that like I I actually like it shed a lot of light on that no matter what happens, it can't we can't just believe a woman when she said, like, someone hurt me.
17:08
SPEAKER_01: No, we have to go and investigate and do all of this.
17:10
SPEAKER_01: And even when they release uh uh a freaking movie about this and an article, and like it's just it's kind of disappointing.
17:20
SPEAKER_01: Like the guy, like he he never even got um, he never even got charged for like any yeah, like for defrauding any of those three women that we saw.
17:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he got away with it, and he's he's he he's laughing and taking pictures, and he's on Instagram again and living the life and like and he has a girlfriend and all that stuff.
17:36
SPEAKER_01: It just shows you that like victim shaming is real, like it's still it's still a real thing.
17:40
SPEAKER_01: And it's like even when even it's like we I mean we're in 2022 now, right?
17:44
SPEAKER_01: Like literally, it is we are supposed to be like an advanced society, like across the world.
17:51
SPEAKER_01: I'm not just talking about America or or anywhere else, but at the end of the day, this shows you one thing we are never inclined to re believe a woman when she says, like someone hurt me.
18:01
SPEAKER_01: Like you have to go and do this investigative reporting, and the police didn't even pay attention to it until the investigative reporters got involved, and then they're like, Oh yeah, okay, great.
18:12
SPEAKER_02: And then after all of this, you get ridicule.
18:14
SPEAKER_02: I know, I know that's that's like the worst part.
18:18
SPEAKER_01: I know.
18:19
SPEAKER_02: But anyway, but anyway, this was a good conversation.
18:23
SPEAKER_02: I'm glad you finally watched it.
18:25
SPEAKER_02: Um, so next week we'll have another episode for you guys.
18:29
SPEAKER_02: Um, just try to comment, leave us comments, you know, ask us questions.
18:34
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18:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, please check out our Instagram because Linda does a lot of work.
18:40
SPEAKER_02: I said, please check out our Instagram because Lena does a lot of work.
18:43
SPEAKER_02: I do a lot of work.
18:44
SPEAKER_02: Yes, I absolutely do.
18:45
SPEAKER_02: Like I texted Hanan at 2 a.m.
18:47
SPEAKER_02: in the morning yesterday.
18:48
SPEAKER_01: Um just like that.
18:51
SPEAKER_01: She she is like the our producer, she's our story research person, she is our features for newspaper.
18:59
SPEAKER_02: Hanan just shows up, guys.
19:00
SPEAKER_02: That's it.
19:01
SPEAKER_02: And I had to send her, listen, I had to send her a link.
19:03
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, you just click on the link, Hanan, and it will you click on it, you get in, you don't have to do anything.
19:09
SPEAKER_02: You just attach your mic to the computer, Hanan.
19:12
SPEAKER_01: I did though.
19:12
SPEAKER_01: It was really easy.
19:13
SPEAKER_01: Like her directions were like flawless.
19:15
SPEAKER_01: So it makes my life a lot easier.
19:17
SPEAKER_01: Honestly, like I I I actually enjoy this process too because, like I said, this really um what we had said on like the first episode of the show is like I'm really gonna do my best to try and dedicate time to this.
19:30
SPEAKER_01: And so we're helping each other keep that promise.
19:34
SPEAKER_01: So like we both enjoy doing this, it's a lot of fun, and it gets us to like, you know, honestly, this is the perfect example.
19:41
SPEAKER_01: We just we decided let's watch Tinja Swindler together.
19:44
SPEAKER_01: And it's something that instead of us being in the same room, this is a great way, like, this is a great way for us to do it.
19:49
SPEAKER_01: I would have just wasted like three hours on my phone to TikTok.
19:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I told you like we have to be consistent, and so we can't like skip a week.
19:58
SPEAKER_02: So this was an alternative, and I think it worked out well, hopefully.
20:00
SPEAKER_02: But I I think it's gonna be weird, like because sometimes I look at the camera and sometimes I'm looking at you.
20:05
SPEAKER_02: It's so weird.
20:06
SPEAKER_02: And honestly, it's the same.
20:07
SPEAKER_01: Uh I'm the same way.
20:08
SPEAKER_02: Like sometimes I'm looking at you because you're but you're using your you're using your laptop camera.
20:13
SPEAKER_02: I'm not like I have the and I think I should have brought it.
20:15
SPEAKER_02: Like, I just didn't want to waste time, but whatever.
20:18
SPEAKER_02: Uh, we made it work.
20:19
SPEAKER_01: Uh, I think we're all I think it's it's it's super cute, and I loved like I keep looking at Lena on the screen because like I would normally be talking to her, like you know, IRL.
20:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's the thing.
20:28
SPEAKER_02: Like, I want to talk to, so I'm looking at the screen instead of the camera, but but it's okay, it's fine.
20:32
SPEAKER_02: I think the most important thing for me was getting our audio fixed because the last two episodes I apologized, guys.
20:39
SPEAKER_02: I know the audio wasn't great, and trust me, it killed me.
20:43
SPEAKER_02: It killed me on the inside because like I'm this like.
20:46
SPEAKER_01: I got 40,000 messages about how bad the audio was.
20:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like from me, those 40,000 messages are from me, not from anybody else.
20:53
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, what are we gonna do?
20:54
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, we're not gonna do anything.
20:55
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna.
20:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so we guys we invested.
20:57
SPEAKER_02: I mean, we already had invested in the audio, but listen, it's gonna be amazing going forward.
21:02
SPEAKER_02: Stick with us, like I said, comment, even if you want to hate.
21:06
SPEAKER_02: I think we got some hate comments on on YouTube.
21:08
SPEAKER_02: We really did on YouTube uh from the last uh, which was awesome.
21:12
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, yay, we have comments.
21:14
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
21:14
SPEAKER_01: I was like, man, the internet's an interesting the fact that somebody on the last video said that I was getting paid to plug and just like that, I'm like, I wish right, I wish, right?
21:24
SPEAKER_02: No, and then someone was like, someone was like, um, the girl in the colorful uh t shirt.
21:31
SPEAKER_02: She's right, she made some good points.
21:32
SPEAKER_02: But I'm like, yeah, this is good.
21:34
SPEAKER_02: We need more of this, guys.
21:35
SPEAKER_02: So please stick with us.
21:36
SPEAKER_02: We're gonna be there, we're gonna be consistent every Tuesday at 2 p.m.
21:40
SPEAKER_02: We have it on uh YouTube, it gets released on YouTube and all the podcast uh platforms like Apple Podcasts, Spotify.
21:47
SPEAKER_01: Um thanks to our production team, Lena.
21:50
SPEAKER_02: Yes, Lena.
21:51
SPEAKER_02: Anyway, um, so this was great.
21:53
SPEAKER_02: Um, see you guys next week.