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Guest Hypnotist Claudia Rickard on the Bunny Talk Process · The Hypnotist

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  Welcome to The Hypnotist, the show that gives you inside
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  access to cutting edge hypnosis with real clients facing genuine
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  issues. Brought to you by the
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  hypnotherapist, demanded by celebrities, CEOs and even
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  royalty. Adam Cox.
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  world famous Harley Street. This podcast features powerful
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  hypnosis, so do not listen while driving or operating machinery.
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  severe mental health issues, so get yourself comfortable and
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  enjoy today's episode of The Hypnotist.
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  Welcome to today's episode of The Hypnotist and today's very
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  special guest hypnotist is Claudia Ricard.
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  Claudia, welcome to the show. Thank you very much for having
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  me Adam. It's an honour to be on here.
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  Great to have you here. Obviously I've seen you at the
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  conferences, particularly Hypno Thoughts Live a couple of times,
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  and it was weird to bump into a Brit over in the over in the
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  States. Tell us a bit about how you
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  first got into the world of hypnotherapy.
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  So it began. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised
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  if I've always been doing it because I have been doing
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  massage on people for a very long time.
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  So I'm an aromatherapist. And when you are building that
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  rapport with people, because you have to build a really good
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  rapport with somebody when you are massaging a naked person, so
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  they have to like know and trust you.
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  And so yes, I've probably always been doing that.
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  However, when I was doing the aromatherapy, I realised I was
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  into helping people with their issues because of the oils can
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  help with all sorts of things. And so then I went into
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  counselling and I was did that for three years until I
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  realised, oh, I have a choice. And actually, oh, that's
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  probably why I was doing counselling because I didn't
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  need to be in this terrible marriage I was in.
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  So yes, that word choice was huge.
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  So I then had to stop doing the counselling training because I
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  was going through the divorce. And however, we roll on a few
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  years and I still was wanting to help people.
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  And then I found hypnotherapy, hypnosis and wow, and I started
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  training in it. My son had had it for something
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  and, and it worked and I was very curious about it and
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  literally I fell in love with it.
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  And, and of course, when you get to a certain age, you want to do
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  really well and you love it. You get distinctions, you just
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  carry on learning. And I've never stopped.
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  That, that, that's it. And, and obviously you're very
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  highly regarded. You know, nobody speaks at these
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  big conferences unless they've got a certain level of
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  credentials and, and, and really have an impact on the world.
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  Obviously you got into hypnosis and I think what most people do
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  is they explore different things and then they find something
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  that really resonates with them. What's the thing that resonated
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  most with you when it came to hypnotherapy and, and, and what
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  now you would consider a bit of a specialism?
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  It for me, it's always about significant emotional events and
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  feelings, the things that have happened because in my opinion,
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  people have various behaviours because of and they will do
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  these behaviours to mask their real issues.
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  So they may drink a lot more and it's a crutch.
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  They may behave in a certain way, get angry because generally
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  anger is based in fear. And I often find that's fear of
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  not feeling worthy, not good enough.
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  And there's always this story behind that.
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  I'm not necessarily interested in all of the story, I just know
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  that they feel it in their body and they will do anything to not
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  feel that feeling. And that's.
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  Why people have take drugs and hey, they don't even need to do
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  something that's that we might consider is bad for them.
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  They they may do risky sports, they may do a lot at the gym,
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  they may work a lot. It's whatever it is for them.
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  Yeah, the, the, these coping strategies, you know, and, and
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  it's amazing how often like humans will go to extreme
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  lengths not to fix the problem, but to find workarounds and, and
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  kind of they feel away. They don't want to weigh, they
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  don't want to feel. But drinking helps, food helps,
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  you know, maybe it's exercise or something else, but it, it can
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  be destructive. When I saw you in Hippo
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  thoughts, you were doing a presentation around the Bunny
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  talk process. Tell me how that came about.
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  OK, so when you were a child do you remember playing shadow
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  puppets? I do, yeah.
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  But I mean, we would do just little things because it was,
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  you know, it's like, oh, it's a shadow.
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  And so I started doing shadow puppets with my daughter when
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  she was very little. My husband was away in the Navy,
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  so they're away for a lot in the Royal Navy, you know, 10 months
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  at a time. She would get into bed with me
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  and we would mess about and we played and we did mummy Bunny
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  and baby Bunny. She particularly liked those and
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  I taught her the days of the week, months of the year, simple
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  maths, all sorts of things because, you know, it was like
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  gets as a as a an adult, it can get a little bit boring doing
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  baby talk all the time. But but in to be honest, she
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  wanted to do it. So I had to get creative.
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  Well, let's let's do something, you know, that will benefit her.
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  So, as I say, we carried on. We did this for years, Adam,
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  years and years, and it was our thing.
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  And sometimes she would go to somebody's house and we would
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  just do that and we knew what we meant.
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  Now we rolled on. We moved to America because yes,
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  I'm a Brit living in America. I live in North Carolina and we
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  arrived in 2019. She does go to school, however,
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  2020, we all know what happens in America.
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  The children didn't go to school for two years in our state.
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  She was online for two years. And that was not great for her.
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  OK. And she started to act out if
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  you like. She was hurting herself.
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  I blamed myself. I should never have brought her
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  over to America. And there was one night she came
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  through to my room. It was New Year's Eve.
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  It. Was 3:00.
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  In the morning and she was sobbing, sobbing.
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  It was a horrible sob. I got out of bed.
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  I got into bed with her and I held her and I said can you tell
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  me what it is? And then don't ask me what made
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  me do it, Adam. I got Mummy Bunny out and she
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  got her baby Bunny out with a little ears down and she could
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  tell Mummy Bunny what had happened.
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  She couldn't tell me she could tell Mummy Bunny because Mummy
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  Bunny always gave her unconditional love.
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  Because when we were playing I never told her off.
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  If she got something wrong, we just went, it's OK, just have
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  another go. And we were messing about.
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  And so that is exactly what I did again.
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  And I knew to do that and it was very powerful because, and I had
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  no idea that all that time ago when she was little, I had been
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  anchoring. In.
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  Safety, love and security, unconditional love, which is the
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  most powerful. And she felt able to tell me
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  what had gone on and we figured it out.
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  And, you know, I, I didn't react.
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  Mummy Bunny was very, very good. She, you know, and then about
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  two hours later she said to me, I'm OK now you can go.
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  I went, all right. So it was the the therapeutic
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  value in that is, is enormous because you, like me, know that
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  we were, she was able to dissociate it out of her.
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  She felt safe to communicate that and she knew it would be
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  OK. She felt safe.
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  And then in her own head, she then knew it was OK to to be
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  safe and say bye bye to me because we were going to figure
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  it out. Absolutely phenomenal.
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  And I was telling this to Cheryl Ellman, who we all know.
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  And she said to me, Claudia, you've got to do something with
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  that. So I did.
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  And I wrote a book, A Parent's Journey and the Bunny Talk
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  Process because I've had five children.
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  So it's best practice for children when there's a divorce
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  for step parenting. It's very quick.
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  It's very easy to read. Wrote it.
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  Wrote it purposefully in in short ways so that people would
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  get it just like that, because parents don't.
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  Have time to. Read, I know that.
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  And and then the Bunny talk process is in there of how to do
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  it. And yeah, so it's and I and I
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  thought that was it. And then I spoke about it at
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  Hipner thoughts and I had people coming up to me and saying
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  you're going to make it into a course.
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  And I said, well, no, because parents, anybody can do it.
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  And they said, Oh well, if you don't, we will.
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  And I went, no, it's my. Story So I made it into a course
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  and yeah, because I do emotional intelligence for the parents
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  anyway, I do see children and I thought, well this is how I see
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  children. Of course the Bunny talk will do
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  it. And I do eye movements and I
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  just make them Bunny eye movements and and hey presto, we
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  have a fabulous course and I am now doing it as well with my
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  adults for in a child. It's absolutely brilliant and
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  yeah, really good, really good. So it's a wonderful story
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  because it it, it, it comes from real experiences.
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  It was useful. And I think sometimes with
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  techniques and, and protocols and, and all of that kind of
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  stuff, we get lost in the sequence and, and, and the
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  rationale and the science behind it.
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  But fundamentally, does it help? Is it useful?
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  And in that moment with your daughter, it clearly was useful.
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  And I recall seeing you in Vegas and you were talking more about
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  those with dementia and how useful Bunny talk is perhaps
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  with those people that may not have, let's say, their full
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  faculties when it comes to cognitive kind of processes.
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  But somehow there is something in that that anchors a different
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  state within them that makes it useful.
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  Tell us a bit about that. You're absolutely right, Adam.
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  So I said to my daughter as well, because she's now tells me
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  everything. Everything because she knows she
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  can. And I said to her, I said
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  darling, I said, if I ever get dementia, I may forget you, I
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  may forget your name, but will you talk to me with the bunnies?
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  Because I will never forget the feeling of the Bunny talk.
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  And you are absolutely right, because the body does somatisize
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  that. And I know that I would remember
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  that absolutely. And if anybody, if you've ever
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  known Bob Burns, he's told his wife to speak to him with this
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  one. So people will have their things
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  that they've anchored in at home.
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  It could be a film, it could be a certain photo album, it could
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  be a cuddly toy, it could be whatever it is.
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  And that they have. And that is their anchor into
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  that stability of feeling safe because that is paramount for
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  people. Because you can only imagine
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  when somebody is living with a neurocognitive disorder, living
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  with dementia, that fear is very, very big.
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  And it's about bringing the person, making that personhood,
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  making them big again. And if, if they have things
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  around them, their, their identity that you can, their
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  medals, especially, you know, things like that, then they will
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  remember their identity, their cups they've won, certain items
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  of clothing, they vacations, holidays that they've been on,
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  they will remember. The feeling.
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  That's incredible. And we're both speaking at the
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  Irish Hypnotherapy Conference next year in April.
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  For those never been to Dublin or never been to a hypnosis
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  conference, tell us a bit about what you're talking about, what
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  they can expect from you talking about and and when it is this
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  conference. So yes, I am.
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  I'm going to showcase the Bunny talk process and people will be
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  able to see for themselves the benefits of understanding why
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  it's so important to engage with the parents of the child.
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  And so they will understand that because I'll I'll be explaining
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  that. And then of course, I'll be
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  telling the history behind it. Again, as I've already shared
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  here, I'm going to ask for a volunteer and I am going to
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  showcase the Bunny talk process because I have no qualms in
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  anybody coming out of the audience and and we will create
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  change, absolutely. Yeah.
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  So I'm I'm excited for that. Yeah, and and the bit we haven't
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  really talked about is similar to Bob Burns and the and the
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  swan, you know it, I imagine. Do you, do you see idiomotor
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  responses through how the the Bunny communicates?
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  I I would just imagine that might be a possibility given
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  that it's dealing with hands and fingers and those kind of
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  things. That hasn't necessarily happened
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  yet. And I know what you mean And and
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  let's and I'm and I'm looking forward to seeing what else
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  arises from it. I do anchor in the good response
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  when somebody comes up with a good feeling that is anchored in
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  and also the Bunny does take the bad feeling out the that is like
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  conscious thing because I'm doing it the yes.
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  And that is why, because people have said to me, well, Bunny
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  talk and the swan, are they the same?
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  No, because I agree. Bob's is literally is in my
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  opinion, it is the idiomotor it's the subconscious,
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  unconscious mind. What is happening when people
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  are going into playing with the Bunny talk?
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  They're going into a natural trance because children play all
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  the time. And, and it was interesting
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  because when I was seeing, when I see my adults, we get on the
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  floor as well and we, we're playing like children and you
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  can, And then one of them they said, oh, I want to sit back up,
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  up. And then we did it and he went
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  now I want to get back down again because he could see the
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  benefit of actually, no, it was better because he went in more
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  into his child and went more into trance with it.
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  So it is all working on a probably that subconscious
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  level. And it's so yes.
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  But he felt two adults sitting up again on on the on the seat.
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  Interesting. Isn't it because it had anchored
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  a different time? And a lot of other therapists
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  outside of hypnotherapy, particularly if they're working
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  with small children in cases of abuse and things like that, will
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  quite often use puppets and and toy animals for exactly the same
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  logic as the Bunny talk. It's disassociation.
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  It's easier to talk about what's happening to other things even
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  than than it is themselves because it's, it's that one
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  level disassociation. I, I think it's a fascinating,
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  you know, and, and a very well needed protocol.
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  You know, the hypnosis world needs it.
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  You're going to do a bit of a hypnosis session for us because
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  that's, that's what we expect on this show.
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  But if anyone is curious to see Claudia's presentation at the
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  Irish Hypnotherapy Conference that's going to be in early
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  April, I'm going to put a link in the show notes that you can
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  check that out. I'll be there talking about the
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  fourth dimension as well. So if you want to see both of
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  us, you can pop there to Dublin in early April.
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  But now, Claudia, over to you for a bit of a hypnosis session
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  for us. That's right and just allowing.
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  Yourself now. Take a nice deep breath in.
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  Through your nose. And.
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  Out. That's right, And your eyes are
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  feeling comfortably closed now. While you listen.
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  To the sound of my voice, because the sound of my voice.
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  Will help you. Will help relax you as you just
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  drift off now, deep deep down into that wonderful place of
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  relaxation. That place where you feel so
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  safe, so calm, so deeply relaxed, and all the time
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  breathing in positive thoughts and breathing out any negative
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  thoughts or feelings. They're not needed, they're not
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  required, they're not wanted. That's right.
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  And allow all the muscles in your head to relax.
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  Just imagine each individual hair follicle relaxing down, and
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  the muscles around your eyes and your jaw, any tension you're
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  holding there in your jaw, just let that all relax.
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  And while you're listening to the sound of my voice, if you
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  hear any noises inside or outside, they won't bother you.
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  You'll just know it's the sounds of other people going about
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  their daily business and that's fine because you're here with
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  me, feeling safe, safe and calm and allowing yourself to go
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  deeper and deeper into that wonderful place.
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  Of relaxation, Deeper and deeper relaxed.
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  That's right. And allow all the muscles in
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  your neck. And your.
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  Shoulders to relax and your arms and your forearms and all the
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  way down to the tips of your fingers and while you're
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  listening to the. Sound of my.
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  Voice. If you need to shuffle about a
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  bit or scratch your nose, that's fine.
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  Do whatever you need to do in order to feel more and more
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  calm, more and more at peace, more and more relaxed.
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  That's right. And allow all the muscles in
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  your chest and your stomach to relax.
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  And your back and your lower back.
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  And while you're listening to the sound of my voice, you may
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  get a slight tingling sensation, just like little prickles in
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  your head or somewhere else in your body.
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  And that's fine. It just means that you're
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  allowing yourself to go deeper and deeper into that wonderful
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  place of relaxation. Deeper and deeper, relaxed.
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  That's right. And allow all the muscles in
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  your buttocks to relax. And your thighs.
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  And your calves and all the way down to the tips of your toes,
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  just allowing your whole body now to go deeper and deeper into
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  that wonderful place of relaxation.
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  Deeper and deeper, relaxed. That's right.
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  And now you're. Feeling so comfortably.
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  Relaxed, nobody needing anything, nobody wanting
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  anything, and absolutely nothing whatsoever for you to do except
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  to relax and listen to the sound of my voice.
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  And now I'd like your wonderful mind and imagination to drift
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  off to that magical mystical place in your mind, that safe
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  place of yours, whatever it is for you.
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  There's no right or wrong in hypnosis.
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  It's whatever it is for you, That magical mystical place,
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  that safe place of yours where you can make positive lifestyle
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  changes now. And now while you're in this
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  magical mystical place, this safe place of yours, I'd like
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  you to give yourself a gift. And it could be a gift around
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  your beliefs or your values or something that you really want
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  or desire right now. Make it a good gift.
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  Make it a really good gift. That's right.
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  And now I'd like you to use that wonderful mind and imagination
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  of yours. To imagine a.
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  Force field surrounding your body, protecting you and this
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  force field acts like an emotional barrier or boundary
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  and this force field protects you it could be your favorite
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  colour with sparkles in it's whatever it is for you there's
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  no right or wrong and this force field protects you because.
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  You do not give. Other people's bad behaviour or
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  their emotions. Permission.
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  To change the way you. Feel and this.
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  Can include your own. Negative feelings and emotions.
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  You do not give other people's bad behaviour or their emotions.
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  Or your own. Negative feelings and emotions,
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  permission to change the way you feel.
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  And there's an opening in this force field and it's where you
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  breathe in. New learnings, new positives,
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  new opportunities, new potential, new adventures.
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  And it's where you breathe out any negative feelings.
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  Images, thoughts, emotions. Or sensations that you've been
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  holding onto. It's where you breathe out.
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  All the old negative psychological rubbish that you
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  no longer need. That's right.
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  And now I'd like you to run a movie through your head.
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  And this is a movie of you over the coming days, weeks, months,
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  years, looking the way you want to look, feeling the way you
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  want to feel, and doing all the things that you want to do.
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  You have this gift. You have this force.
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  Field surrounding you, protecting you because you.
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  Do not give. Other people's bad behaviour or
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  their emotions or your own negative feelings and emotions.
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  Permission to change the way you feel.
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  Make it a good movie. Make it a really good movie.
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  We are the movies we play in our heads.
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  We are the movies we play in our heads.
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  Always play a good movie. Always play a good movie.
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  That's right. And now in a moment, I will wake
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  you and I will count from 1:00 to 5:00 and on five you'll open
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  your eyes and you will feel amazing.
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  In a moment I will count from 1:00 to 5:00 and on five will
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  open your eyes with a big smile on your face.
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  In a moment I will count from 1:00 to 5:00 and on five will
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  open your eyes and you will feel really good for you.
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  You have this gift. You have this force field
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  surrounding you, protecting you because you do not give other
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  people's bad behaviour or their emotions or your own negative
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  feelings and emotions permission to change the way you feel.
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  emotions. Permission to change.
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