Latest / The Joe Rogan Recap / Protect Ya Neck (2026) - Tommy Lee’s MMA Aspirations and Pop Culture Debates

Transcript

Protect Ya Neck (2026) - Tommy Lee’s MMA Aspirations and Pop Culture Debates · The Joe Rogan Recap

• 0:00
  Welcome to the Joe Rogan Recap, and before we get going, please
• 0:03
  follow us right here on Spotify to make sure you get sight of
• 0:06
  our latest episodes in your feed.
• 0:08
  So picture this, it is New Year's Eve in Las Vegas, right?
• 0:12
  2006. Oh man, what a time.
• 0:15
  Right. And rock legend Tommy Lee has an
• 0:18
  actual Ultimate Fighter sleeping on the floor of his hotel room.
• 0:21
  Just, you know, waiting for Kid Rock and his whole security
• 0:24
  detail to kick the door in. Which is just wild to even think
• 0:27
  about now. It sounds like a scene from some
• 0:29
  bad action movie, but this was actually like incredibly close
• 0:33
  to becoming a main event pay-per-view in the USC.
• 0:35
  It really was. I mean, the timeline here is
• 0:37
  just, it's wild. So Pamela Anderson had split
• 0:40
  with Kid Rock, but he was allegedly still messaging her
• 0:45
  and she asked Tommy Lee to step in, which then escalates into
• 0:48
  Kid Rock's crew literally kicking in a hotel room door.
• 0:51
  But they got a wrong room. Exactly.
• 0:53
  Just totally the wrong room. And then, you know, the boiling
• 0:55
  point finally hits at an MTV awards show where Kid Rock just
• 0:58
  sucker punches Tommy Lee while he's sitting with Pam Anderson.
• 1:02
  And immediately after that, like literally right after, Tommy Lee
• 1:06
  is on the phone saying I want to fight him in the UFC.
• 1:08
  Train me. Yeah, he was dead serious.
• 1:11
  So today, you know, we are taking on a journey through the
• 1:14
  evolution of mixed martial arts, pulling some excerpts from the
• 1:17
  JREMMA show #177 It's a. Great one.
• 1:21
  It really is. Our mission for this deep dive
• 1:24
  is to explore how this sport went from like an absolute Wild
• 1:28
  West of celebrity spectacles and totally bizarre training
• 1:32
  routines to this billion dollar streaming empire we see today.
• 1:37
  We're going to get into all of it.
• 1:38
  Yeah, the mechanics of the broken rule book, the shifting
• 1:41
  economics of combat sports, and eventually the completely
• 1:44
  unexpected, like super nerdy reality of what elite fighters
• 1:47
  actually do when they're off the clock.
• 1:49
  Empire's my favorite. OK, let's unpack this.
• 1:52
  Because, you know, the mechanics behind that Tommy Lee grudge
• 1:54
  match falling apart are actually pretty revealing about that
• 1:57
  whole era. Yeah, when you look at Kid Rock
• 1:59
  turning down the fight, what's fascinating here is that he
• 2:02
  wasn't, he wasn't necessarily afraid of the physics damage.
• 2:05
  He was terrified of the PR damage.
• 2:07
  I mean, the UFC legitimately offered to put this on
• 2:10
  pay-per-view. They were like, we are ready to
• 2:12
  go. Beta White was probably seeing
• 2:14
  dollar signs. Oh absolutely, but Kid Rocks
• 2:16
  management supposedly turned it down, claiming that whoever lost
• 2:20
  the fight would be quote ruined for life.
• 2:23
  Wow, because in the mid 2000's rock stars still relied so
• 2:27
  heavily on that? Like manufactured tough guy
• 2:30
  image. Right.
• 2:30
  Getting choked out on live television by another drummer
• 2:33
  would just instantly evaporate that aura.
• 2:36
  Exactly. It would just be gone.
• 2:38
  But as chaotic as those celebrities were acting, I mean,
• 2:41
  the actual fighters of that prime era, we're operating on a
• 2:44
  completely different planet. Oh, totally.
• 2:46
  You have a guy like Diego Sanchez who was just an absolute
• 2:48
  savage in his prime, literally chewing on raw meat and spitting
• 2:52
  it out because he like supposedly only one of the
• 2:54
  juices. Just.
• 2:55
  Insane. Or, you know, later in his
• 2:57
  career, he's trusting this deeply bizarre coach, Joshua
• 3:01
  Fabia. Oh, right, the Fabia era.
• 3:03
  Yeah, and Fabia would literally have Diego hanging completely
• 3:06
  upside down in a gym while like swinging sticks at him.
• 3:10
  But I want to push back a little little on the training science
• 3:12
  of that era, though. Sure.
• 3:14
  Like, was any of Diego Sanchez's bizarre routine actually
• 3:18
  physiologically helpful, You know, maybe increase blood flow
• 3:21
  to the brain from hanging upside down?
• 3:23
  Or was it strictly like just a placebo effect?
• 3:26
  I mean, it was almost entirely the placebo effect, but, you
• 3:29
  know, we really can't discount how powerful that is in a combat
• 3:32
  scenario. Really.
• 3:33
  Yeah. Because Diego was so open minded
• 3:36
  that he was quite literally willing to believe in magic if
• 3:40
  his coach convinced him that Upside Down made his spatial
• 3:43
  awareness invincible, he genuinely.
• 3:45
  Believed it, and that matters in the cage.
• 3:47
  Oh, 100%. That unshakable belief
• 3:49
  translated to absolute ferocity when he fought.
• 3:52
  The early days of MMA were defined by this total lack of
• 3:55
  structure. Yeah, it was the Wild West.
• 3:57
  Nobody really knew where the biological ceiling was, which
• 3:59
  led to this intense and honestly sometimes dangerous
• 4:03
  experimentation. And it wasn't just the fringe
• 4:05
  guys doing it either. Like look at prime BJ Penn.
• 4:08
  Oh, the prodigy. Right, he was doing these insane
• 4:11
  pain conditioning camps with the Marinov brothers.
• 4:13
  We're talking extreme plyometrics literally leaping up
• 4:18
  and entirely out of waist deep swimming pools.
• 4:21
  His explosion was just unreal. But what's really crazy was his
• 4:24
  physical dexterity. Like Frank Shamrock was once
• 4:27
  cornering a fighter against BJ Penn and genuinely had to ask
• 4:31
  the referee mid fight if BJ was allowed to kick his guy in the
• 4:34
  head while lying on his back in the guard.
• 4:37
  Yeah, because BJ possessed this like anatomical anomaly.
• 4:41
  He had the flexibility to wrap his legs entirely around the
• 4:44
  back of someone's head while on his back.
• 4:46
  Which is just terrifying. It is.
• 4:48
  He's effectively controlling their posture with his lower
• 4:50
  body. He could sit in a full double
• 4:53
  Lotus position without even using his hands to guide his
• 4:56
  feet into place. He realized early on that if you
• 4:59
  could articulate your legs like a second set of arms, you
• 5:01
  possessed a massive biomechanical advantage, because
• 5:05
  human leg muscles are just fundamentally stronger and
• 5:07
  denser than our muscles. Right.
• 5:09
  And when you have a freak athlete like BJ Penn wrapping
• 5:12
  his legs around a guy's neck from the bottom, it doesn't just
• 5:16
  confuse his opponent, it breaks the judges brains.
• 5:19
  Referees literally didn't know if what they were watching was
• 5:23
  legal, which, you know, forces us to look at the rule book of
• 5:26
  that era, which was essentially just taped together using
• 5:30
  leftover boxing regulations. Yeah, which is exactly where the
• 5:33
  entire system begins to buckle. I mean, we all know the 10 point
• 5:36
  must system is just a disaster for mixed martial arts.
• 5:39
  In boxing you are generally measuring one primary linear
• 5:43
  metric, right? Striking.
• 5:45
  Right, So what does this all mean for a sport that includes
• 5:49
  wrestling in jiu jitsu? Because using the 10 point
• 5:53
  boxing system for MMA is kind of like trying to judge a modern
• 5:57
  decathlon using only a stopwatch.
• 6:00
  That's a great way to put it. Yeah, like you can accurately
• 6:02
  major who ran the fastest, but you have absolutely no
• 6:05
  mathematical way to score the guy who just threw a javel in 80
• 6:07
  meters. The system just lacks the
• 6:09
  dimensional math required to weigh grappling against
• 6:12
  striking. Precisely because under current
• 6:16
  MMA scoring A109 round could mean a fighter barely scraped by
• 6:21
  with like, one extra jab in a highly technical sparring match.
• 6:25
  But then another 10-9 round could mean a fighter spent 4 1/2
• 6:29
  minutes getting utterly brutalized, mounted and nearly
• 6:33
  choked unconscious. Just a horrific beating.
• 6:35
  Exactly, but because they didn't officially get knocked down or
• 6:39
  you know, they didn't stop defending, the judges still just
• 6:41
  hand in a 10/9. It makes no sense.
• 6:43
  It doesn't. The source material strongly
• 6:46
  argues for a 100 point system, or at the very least a massive
• 6:50
  cultural shift among judges to start handing out 10 eights and
• 6:53
  10 sevens based purely on submission attempts and dominant
• 6:56
  positional control. And it isn't just the scoring
• 6:59
  math that is fundamentally flawed either.
• 7:01
  Like the mechanical rules are just as outdated.
• 7:03
  So let's talk about I pokes. Oh, this is such a huge.
• 7:05
  Issue. It's a massive, career altering
• 7:07
  issue. Fighters are literally losing
• 7:10
  their vision. The sources point out that the
• 7:12
  proposed solutions are actually surprisingly simple, right?
• 7:14
  Very. You either institute an
• 7:16
  automatic non negotiable one point deduction every single
• 7:21
  time a finger goes in. And I like no warnings, no
• 7:24
  accidental exceptions, right? Or you fundamentally redesign
• 7:28
  the. Gloves and honestly the glove
• 7:30
  redesign is the most logical step.
• 7:32
  The idea is this mitten concept since fighters don't strictly
• 7:36
  need their fingertips exposed to grapple.
• 7:38
  You just curve the leather to cover the tips.
• 7:40
  OK wait, it pre curves the hand into a natural C shape.
• 7:44
  I hear the argument for the mitten gloves, but let me play
• 7:46
  devil's advocate here for a second.
• 7:48
  Go for it. Doesn't covering the fingers
• 7:50
  completely ruin a fighter's ability to lock in?
• 7:53
  Like a really tight rear naked choke if you lose the tactile
• 7:57
  friction of your fingertips? Aren't we just trading eye pokes
• 8:00
  for way fewer submissions? See, that's the exact pushback
• 8:03
  you hear from traditionalists in the promotions, but
• 8:05
  biomechanical engineers disagree completely.
• 8:08
  Really. Yeah, when you secure a rear
• 8:10
  naked choke, or really any heavy grappling sequence, the anchor
• 8:14
  isn't your fingertips. What is it?
• 8:15
  Then the anchor is the monkey grip, the palm, the wrist and
• 8:19
  the forearm locking into place. Ah, OK.
• 8:22
  A properly designed mitten covers the dangerous poking tips
• 8:25
  of the fingers while still allowing the palm and the larger
• 8:29
  joints to articulate enough to secure a wrist.
• 8:32
  It solves the blinding problem without destroying the grappling
• 8:36
  arts. OK, that makes sense.
• 8:37
  Speaking of entirely solvable physical problems, nut shots.
• 8:42
  Oh man. We put armor plates over our
• 8:44
  teeth, right? We wrap our hands in tape and
• 8:46
  leather to protect the metagarpals, but a seal cup
• 8:50
  isn't mandatory. It honestly baffles the mind.
• 8:52
  I mean, legends like Daniel Cormier and Kenny Florian wore
• 8:56
  steel cups specifically for this reason, right?
• 9:00
  Think about the physics of a wrestling exchange.
• 9:02
  Imagine a wrestler diving in for a double leg takedown and
• 9:05
  catching a steel cup straight to the bridge of the nose.
• 9:08
  Or consider a striker throwing an inside leg kick that goes a
• 9:11
  little too high. If they kick a steel cup, they
• 9:13
  are going to shatter the bones in their own foot.
• 9:16
  Exactly. Whereas right now, fighters are
• 9:18
  wearing these flimsy plastic cups.
• 9:20
  When they get kicked, the plastic actually flexes inward,
• 9:23
  pinching the skin and causing arguably more localized pain
• 9:28
  than if they weren't wearing one at all.
• 9:29
  It's just crazy. It's.
• 9:30
  Just terrible design. And then there is the highly
• 9:32
  controversial rule regarding knees to a grounded opponent.
• 9:37
  Currently, if a fighter has even one knee touching the canvas,
• 9:41
  you cannot legally knee them in the head.
• 9:43
  Right, the grounded fighter rule.
• 9:45
  But the sources argue this is completely backward if you want
• 9:48
  a real fight simulation. This raises an important
• 9:50
  question regarding fighter safety and really the core
• 9:53
  philosophy of the sport. Are these rules actually
• 9:56
  protecting the athletes or are they just protecting an outdated
• 9:59
  aesthetic of what a fight should look like to ATV audience?
• 10:02
  Yeah, that's. The real question.
• 10:04
  Because a flying knee to a standing opponent's chin
• 10:07
  involves the entire momentum of two bodies colliding, it is
• 10:11
  significantly more devastating than a knee thrown from a static
• 10:14
  close quarters position on the ground.
• 10:16
  Exactly. If you're in a real fight and a
• 10:18
  wrestler shoots for your legs and intentionally stalls out on
• 10:21
  his knees right in front of your face just to catch his breath,
• 10:23
  the most logical, natural defensive move is to throw a
• 10:27
  knee. Banning ground knees actually
• 10:30
  encourages wrestlers to stall because they know the rule book
• 10:33
  artificially protects them in that vulnerable position.
• 10:36
  Totally. But you know, if the rules
• 10:40
  inside the cage are slowly evolving to keep up with the
• 10:42
  reality of the fight, the business outside the cage is
• 10:45
  experiencing an even bigger earthquake.
• 10:47
  And the money. We are witnessing a massive
• 10:50
  structural shift in fighter pay and it is largely being driven
• 10:53
  by streaming monopolies getting totally shattered.
• 10:56
  After Netflix. Exactly.
• 10:57
  Netflix is formally entering the live combat sports arena.
• 11:00
  They're hosting massive events like the Tyson versus Paul fight
• 11:04
  and major MMA bouts featuring Francis Tanganu and Felipe Linz.
• 11:07
  When an entity with the ungodly cash flow of Netflix enters the
• 11:11
  market, it completely alters the leverage dynamics.
• 11:14
  You see guys holding out on signing new contracts because
• 11:17
  they know that as a free agent, a tech platform might offer them
• 11:21
  literally life changing money. But let me pose the argument you
• 11:24
  always hear from like old school boxing promoters.
• 11:29
  There's this ingrained belief that giving young fighters too
• 11:32
  much money early on ruins their motivation, right?
• 11:36
  The old cliche. Yeah, that they buy the silk
• 11:38
  sheets and the private jet and suddenly they don't want to wake
• 11:40
  up at 5:00 AM and get punched in the face anymore.
• 11:43
  Isn't there some truth to the idea that hunger drives the
• 11:46
  fighter? I mean, it's a convenient
• 11:48
  narrative for promoters who want to keep labor costs down, right?
• 11:52
  But it totally falls apart when you look at elite champions.
• 11:56
  Take Francis and Gennu, who is a true trailblazer in this regard.
• 12:00
  Oh for sure, he didn't just leave a major promotion to
• 12:03
  secure a massive multimillion dollar boxing payday for
• 12:07
  himself. He used his unprecedented
• 12:10
  leverage to force a contract where his opponent in MMA is
• 12:13
  guaranteed to make at least $2,000,000.
• 12:15
  Which is completely unheard of. Usually guys just pull the
• 12:18
  ladder up behind the ones they get paid.
• 12:19
  Right. Breaking the monopoly model
• 12:21
  isn't just about accumulating cash, it's about fundamentally
• 12:24
  shifting the balance of power. When platforms like Netflix
• 12:28
  enter the game, the fighters finally get a piece of the pie
• 12:31
  they actually bake. And it proves that if the drive
• 12:34
  to be a champion is truly hardwired into an athlete, the
• 12:38
  money won't extinguish it. Yeah, Ganu didn't stop training
• 12:41
  because he got rich. Exactly, the money just ensures
• 12:44
  they aren't destroying their bodies for pennies.
• 12:46
  OK, here's where it gets really interesting.
• 12:49
  We've established that these are highly paid, independent,
• 12:52
  incredibly dangerous athletes who are pushing the boundaries
• 12:55
  of human performance, right? Yes, but what do they actually
• 12:58
  do with their new found wealth and free time when they aren't
• 13:01
  throwing spinning heel kicks? You'd think they're out at clubs
• 13:05
  or living these high adrenaline lifestyle, right?
• 13:07
  But according to the deep dive into JRE #177 they basically
• 13:11
  just sit on the couch and they absolutely geek out.
• 13:14
  Elite MMA fighters are massive nerds.
• 13:17
  The duality is just staggering. You have the most physically
• 13:21
  imposing humans on Earth passionately debating the lore
• 13:24
  of fantasy television. Yes, the sources point out that
• 13:27
  these guys are getting genuinely frustrated over Amazon's Rings
• 13:30
  of Power series because like, historically in the Tolkien
• 13:35
  lore, orcs are supposed to be terrifying soulless demons, and
• 13:39
  the show gave them feelings and backstories.
• 13:42
  The fighters are furious about orcs having feelings.
• 13:45
  It's so funny. Because in their minds, an enemy
• 13:48
  needs to be a black and white monster.
• 13:50
  Empathy ruins the combat narrative.
• 13:52
  While simultaneously they are geeking out over the upcoming
• 13:56
  Game of Thrones spin off, A Night of the Seven Kingdoms.
• 13:58
  They love that stuff. Because it features trial by
• 14:01
  combat and traditional hedge nights.
• 14:03
  But you know, their analysis of the original Game of Thrones is
• 14:06
  actually quite profound now. So they pointed out that it is
• 14:09
  secretly a brilliant feminist show, executed so seamlessly
• 14:14
  that nobody even labeled it as such during its peak.
• 14:16
  It's a really great point. I mean, you have Daenerys the
• 14:19
  Unburnable Queen with three Dragons, you have Brienne of
• 14:22
  Tarth physically beating up the most dangerous men in the world,
• 14:26
  you have Arya Stark turning into a literal faceless assassin and
• 14:31
  Cersei Lannister out surviving everyone with sheer
• 14:34
  unadulterated ruthlessness. The fighters look at these women
• 14:38
  and see the most savage apex predators in the universe,
• 14:41
  right? They respect the hell out of it
• 14:43
  because they intimately understand the psychology of
• 14:46
  survival at all costs. And their nerdy obsessions
• 14:49
  extend to the upcoming Harry Potter HBO reboot, too.
• 14:52
  They were marveling at the rumored budget of $100 million
• 14:56
  per episode. Insane.
• 14:57
  But where did this nerd culture truly intersects with their day
• 15:01
  job? And where we see the psychology
• 15:03
  of the fighter really bleed out is in virtual reality gaming.
• 15:07
  Oh man, the VR gaming is wild. Fighters are spending hours upon
• 15:11
  hours locked in virtual reality headsets playing first person
• 15:14
  tactical shooters like Forefront and Quake 3.
• 15:17
  Just glued to it. Driving tanks using sniper
• 15:20
  rifles. Entirely addicted to the
• 15:22
  adrenaline of 16 on 16 digital combat.
• 15:24
  Think about the last time you played a competitive video game
• 15:26
  and your heart rate spiked. It gets going.
• 15:28
  Now multiply that by 1000, to the point where these grown men,
• 15:32
  these elite professional assassins, are happily
• 15:35
  teabagging teenagers online after they score a virtual kill.
• 15:40
  It sounds totally absurd on the surface, but there is a deep
• 15:43
  neurological layer here, right? The high level combat sporks
• 15:46
  mindset requires a highly active, almost obsessive
• 15:50
  imagination. You have to constantly visualize
• 15:53
  scenarios, anticipate micro movements, and react in
• 15:56
  milliseconds. Playing VR tactical shooters
• 16:00
  allows them to neurologically hack their own fight or flight
• 16:03
  responses. It's extreme shadowboxing.
• 16:05
  They get all the dopamine, all the adrenaline of hunting an
• 16:08
  opponent and surviving A shootout without taking any
• 16:11
  actual brain damage. Exactly.
• 16:12
  Their obsessive fighting instincts need an outlet, and
• 16:15
  the digital world provides a safe one.
• 16:17
  Which is crucial because whether you are fighting in an Octagon
• 16:20
  or fighting orcs in a video game, there is one opponent
• 16:22
  neither the fighters nor you can ever defeat.
• 16:25
  Father Time. Time and the vulnerabilities of
• 16:27
  the human body. Yeah, we build these guys up as
• 16:29
  superheroes. But beneath the steel cups in
• 16:32
  the Netflix contracts, these athletes are dealing with the
• 16:35
  exact same humiliating bodily failures as the rest of us.
• 16:39
  Oh, absolutely. There is this hilarious but
• 16:42
  honestly terrifying story from the source material about an
• 16:46
  older legendary fighter taking an Uber on the Belt Parkway in
• 16:51
  New York heading to JFK Airport. Oh my God, at 9:00 in the
• 16:54
  morning, right? Which makes the traffic scenario
• 16:57
  completely unforgiving, right? It's a 30 minute drive, but like
• 17:00
  10 minutes into the ride his ulcerative colitis flares up
• 17:04
  severely. Oh, now he realizes with
• 17:06
  absolute dread that he is not going to make it to the
• 17:09
  terminal. He is literally begging the
• 17:12
  driver for an empty 711 Cup, offering to use it right there
• 17:15
  in the backseat of the sedan. Just pure panic.
• 17:17
  They eventually had to pull over on the side of a busy elevated
• 17:20
  Hwy. The fighter has to smash his way
• 17:22
  into a row of bushes just to find some privacy, narrowly
• 17:25
  avoiding a swarm of bees in the process.
• 17:27
  It's like a comedy sketch. He ended up giving the driver a
• 17:29
  $50 tip just for saving him from complete public humiliation.
• 17:34
  It's funny, but it highlights a stark reality that we rarely
• 17:38
  ever see on pay-per-view. A fighter like Georgia St.
• 17:41
  Pierre, widely considered one of the greatest athletes to ever
• 17:45
  live, also battled severe gut issues for years.
• 17:49
  He essentially cured his ulcerative colitis through
• 17:52
  extreme three day fasting routines, literally starving his
• 17:57
  body just to reset his biology. And unfortunately, it gets so
• 18:01
  much darker than digestion. The physical toll of the
• 18:04
  training room is just horrifying.
• 18:05
  It really is. You have the legendary Kevin
• 18:07
  Randleman, a powerhouse of an athlete who looked like he was
• 18:11
  carved out of granite. He contracted A staph infection
• 18:14
  so severe that the bacteria literally ate away the tissue in
• 18:17
  his armpit. You physically see the tendons
• 18:20
  and ligaments moving beneath the visible hole in his body.
• 18:23
  Or you have fighters dealing with brown recluse spider bites
• 18:26
  picked up from dusty gym mats, where the venom necrotizes and
• 18:30
  burns a hole straight through their muscle.
• 18:32
  It is the ultimate paradox of the modern warrior.
• 18:36
  They spend their entire lives building themselves into
• 18:38
  invincible, highly tuned machines.
• 18:41
  They master multiple martial arts.
• 18:43
  They secure generational wealth. They mentally dominate other
• 18:47
  humans. Great.
• 18:48
  Yet they're ultimately brought down by microscopic bacteria,
• 18:52
  aging, digestive tracts, and the fragile reality of biology.
• 18:56
  It is a profoundly humbling reality check.
• 19:00
  Well, what a journey we've been on today.
• 19:02
  We started with MTV, celebrity weaves, and Kid Rock's PR fears.
• 19:06
  We tried to fix the broken dimensional math of cage
• 19:09
  fighting with mitten gloves and steel cups.
• 19:11
  We solved it all. We explored the multibillion
• 19:14
  dollar streaming wars, giving fighters their leverage back.
• 19:17
  We discovered the hidden nerd lives of these elite athletes
• 19:20
  and ended with the humbling, incredibly human reality of the
• 19:24
  digestive system. It really paints a complete
• 19:27
  picture of the fighters evolution and you know, it
• 19:29
  leaves me with one final thought to ponder.
• 19:31
  What's that? We discussed how heavily these
• 19:33
  guys are utilizing virtual reality to trigger their fight
• 19:35
  or flight instincts safely. As VR technology and artificial
• 19:39
  intelligence continue to advance at a staggering rate, and the
• 19:42
  horrifying physical tolls of live sparring like staph
• 19:46
  infections and CTE become harder and harder to justify, will the
• 19:51
  next generation of elite world champions be trained entirely in
• 19:54
  the digital world? Will they develop perfect
• 19:56
  timing, distance management and reflexes against self learning
• 20:00
  AI before they ever step into a physical cage to throw a real
• 20:04
  punch? Now that is a wild thought to
• 20:06
  leave off on. Imagine a champion whose first
• 20:09
  real punch is thrown on their debut night.
• 20:11
  Crazy to think about. We love taking these deep dives
• 20:14
  with you, breaking down the chaos and fighting the hidden
• 20:16
  gems of insight. Thank you so much for joining us
• 20:18
  on this one, and we'll catch you on the next deep dive.
• 20:21
  Keep your guard up and maybe double check what's crawling on
• 20:23
  those VR headsets. See you next time.