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INTERVIEW: Jasmine Crockett Talks Gun Reform, Charlie Kirk, The Harris Campaign, Texas Redistricting + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Every day waiting up the Breakfast Club,
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  Speaker 1: y'all dump yep's well, the Most Dangerous Morning showed the
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  Speaker 2: But Layen LaRosa is and we got a special guest.
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  Speaker 2: She goes by the name of congress Woman Jasmine Kracka.
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  Speaker 3: How are you?
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  Speaker 4: I'm making it?
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  Speaker 3: How you feeling?
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  Speaker 4: It's tough. It's a tough time.
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  Speaker 5: It's a tough time in this country for all people
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  Speaker 5: in general, but obviously as someone who isn't afraid to
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  Speaker 5: speak her mind, our country is truly falling apart, and
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  Speaker 5: it is devolving into next level chaos as well as
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  Speaker 5: next level of violence.
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  Speaker 3: I hate to say it.
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  Speaker 2: You were one of the first people that I thought
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  Speaker 2: about after I saw what happened with Charlie Kirk, because
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  Speaker 2: you know, I don't I don't want that to happen
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  Speaker 2: to anybody. I don't think anybody should be killed because
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  Speaker 2: of their opinion, are attacked because of their opinion, and
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  Speaker 2: you know what, what what happens over there definitely will happen,
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  Speaker 2: you know, on this side, and that definitely makes somebody
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  Speaker 2: like you wo were talking.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there were so many people that immediately
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  Speaker 5: reached out from all over and was like, what is
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  Speaker 5: going on with your security? Like we need to make
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  Speaker 5: sure that you're good, like are you somewhere safe? And
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  Speaker 5: I had to make sure that I called my mom
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  Speaker 5: because I knew that my mom would just want to
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  Speaker 5: hear my voice.
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  Speaker 4: It really shouldn't be that way.
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  Speaker 5: And we now are engaging in conversations again about the
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  Speaker 5: safety or lack thereof for elected officials that are in Congress.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I have to pay for my own security, like,
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  Speaker 5: so I have to raise money to keep myself safe
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  Speaker 5: because they will not pay to take care of us,
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  Speaker 5: even though the other two branches of government they pay
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  Speaker 5: for their protection. So, you know, hopefully we can engage
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  Speaker 5: in some real conversations around what it looks like to
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  Speaker 5: get us some real safety. But also we need to
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  Speaker 5: engage in like what really does cross the line?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 5: Like, so we do have free speech in this country,
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  Speaker 5: but are you free to say just any and everything?
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  Speaker 6: Right?
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  Speaker 5: Like, I mean there are limits to all of our
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  Speaker 5: constitutional protection as well as like what kind of standard
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  Speaker 5: are we going to hold ourselves too? When you were sitting,
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  Speaker 5: say in the oval office or you know, in the house,
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  Speaker 5: like how far will you go? And so, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I hate that some of my colleagues on the other
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  Speaker 5: side of the aisle immediately came out and they were like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: you know, this is on the Democrats, like we don't
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  Speaker 5: even know who did what, and y'all are like, this
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  Speaker 5: is on the Democrats, right, Like, I mean, obviously the
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  Speaker 5: first thing that you know, anybody would say, and you
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  Speaker 5: didn't have any Democrats that went out there and said otherwise,
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  Speaker 5: is like, we're denouncing political violence, but we're just assuming,
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  Speaker 5: like and we just want to be clear, like there,
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  Speaker 5: we're not down for political violence, but that doesn't mean
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  Speaker 5: that that's what it was, right, Like, we know that people,
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  Speaker 5: especially me, I'm having done criminal defense, most offenses.
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  Speaker 4: Like this were personal in the first place.
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  Speaker 5: Now I'm not saying that this was a personal thing,
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  Speaker 5: but I'm saying, like the fact that this can't be
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  Speaker 5: personal is is wild, right, Like the fact that they
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  Speaker 5: are presuming that this is somebody that came from our
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  Speaker 5: side of the eye.
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  Speaker 4: We know that in the savior it is dangerous.
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  Speaker 5: It is dangerous, and even still even if it came
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  Speaker 5: from our side of the aisle, let's assume the worst.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so let's talk about it.
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  Speaker 5: Let's talk about what quote unquote radicalized him, right, Like
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  Speaker 5: we've seen writings and manifestos and we've seen where it
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  Speaker 5: looks like the two people that went after the president
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  Speaker 5: before he was the president had ties to the Republican Party,
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  Speaker 5: like they had not voted Democratic, they were registered as Republicans, like,
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  Speaker 5: so let's talk about it. We know that there were
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  Speaker 5: members of Congress that left the House last session because
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  Speaker 5: they received threats, not from liberals, they received threats from
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  Speaker 5: MAGA because literally they would not vote for the mega
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  Speaker 5: candidate to become Speaker of the House. So we've got
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  Speaker 5: to talk about, like what it means when you're running
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  Speaker 5: for president or you're running for one of these higher
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  Speaker 5: offices and you go out there and you talk about
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  Speaker 5: beating people up. You go out there and you say
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  Speaker 5: things like I could shoot somebody in the middle of
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  Speaker 5: the street in New York and I could still win.
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  Speaker 5: We got to talk about, like that is next level
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  Speaker 5: me disagreeing with you, me calling you you know, I
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  Speaker 5: wanna be hitler. All those things are like not necessarily
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  Speaker 5: saying go out and hurt somebody, But when you're literally
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  Speaker 5: telling people at rallies, yeah, beat them up and that
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  Speaker 5: kind of stuff, like you are promoting like a culture
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  Speaker 5: of violence. So we need to talk about like what
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  Speaker 5: it looks like when you don't promote a culture of violence.
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  Speaker 2: I think, I mean, the funny part is not funny,
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  Speaker 2: but both sides of the isle do it. So it's like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they'll get on y'all of you know. I'm
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  Speaker 2: saying that, hey, we call them wanna be hitler blah
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  Speaker 2: blah blah. But they call democrats fascists.
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  Speaker 5: They call us socialists, they call us all things. But
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  Speaker 5: I don't think that that actually evokes an environment of violence.
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  Speaker 5: I think literally saying things about like, oh, these people
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  Speaker 5: don't deserve to live, or the images of what we're
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  Speaker 5: seeing right now as ice is going into communities and
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  Speaker 5: dragging people and kicking them and taking them down to
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  Speaker 5: the ground and busting windows out, like that is the call.
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  Speaker 4: We have never seen these types of images of ice.
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  Speaker 5: Right Or the idea that you had people that went
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  Speaker 5: in on January sixth and they literally beat law enforcement.
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  Speaker 5: We had people that died and on day one and
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  Speaker 5: they were convicted. We're talking about over a thousand people arrested.
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  Speaker 5: We're talking about convictions that they either pled to or
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  Speaker 5: they went to trial and they were found guilty and
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  Speaker 5: some of them got twenty years or so.
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  Speaker 4: And then on day one you say, let me let
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  Speaker 4: them go.
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  Speaker 5: And we know that since those people have been let go,
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  Speaker 5: that at least one got caught up for a murder plot,
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  Speaker 5: another one ended up with a reckless homicide, another one ended.
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  Speaker 4: Up with child porn. We know that at least.
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  Speaker 5: Ten of them ended up with new cases for doing
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  Speaker 5: other things. And so it's like we have the criminal
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  Speaker 5: that I would call injustice system. But the idea is
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  Speaker 5: supposed to be that, like, you know, you do bad,
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  Speaker 5: we gonna put you up so that people maybe will
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  Speaker 5: be deterred from doing bad. But it's almost like bad
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  Speaker 5: behavior being rewarded. And if like, the worst that I
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  Speaker 5: can say is like that I understand history that you're
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  Speaker 5: trying to take out of like the schools, and that
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  Speaker 5: the balance of power is out of balance, and that
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  Speaker 5: you are operating as a dictator by invoking quote unquote
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  Speaker 5: emergency powers illegally consistently, that you are constantly violating the constitution.
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  Speaker 4: These are just facts.
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  Speaker 5: That doesn't mean that I want somebody to go out
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  Speaker 5: and hurt the President of the United States. In fact,
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  Speaker 5: when there was when those attempts took place in a
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  Speaker 5: bipartisan way, we voted to raise the amount of money
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  Speaker 5: that is allowed and allotted to protect him. So no,
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  Speaker 5: I can say that your policies are bad. I can
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  Speaker 5: say you're a criminal because you have been found guilty
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  Speaker 5: of thirty four convictions. Like I can say all these
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  Speaker 5: things because they are true. That's not even just free speech.
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  Speaker 4: These are just facts.
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  Speaker 5: So don't get mad that I speak the truth and
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  Speaker 5: I speak fact. But I literally have never said anything
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  Speaker 5: to invoke violence. And I challenged somebody to go and
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  Speaker 5: find a clip of a Democrat invoking violence. Right now,
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  Speaker 5: everybody's gotten so sensitive. I woke up and a friend
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  Speaker 5: sent me a text message where somebody else had been
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  Speaker 5: fired for repeating Charlie Kirk's words, right like, they're firing
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  Speaker 5: people and they're canceling people because people have gone out
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  Speaker 5: and looked at some of the things that he said.
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna be honest, I never said a word about
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  Speaker 5: Charlie Kirk, like he wouldn't know my radar, like I wasn't.
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  Speaker 5: I don't go and follow the right wing special people
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  Speaker 5: like I don't like, it's just not I got.
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  Speaker 4: Other things to do.
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  Speaker 5: And some of my friends who had never heard of him,
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  Speaker 5: were like, let's dig, let's figure out who is he? Right,
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  Speaker 5: because people are like, this is coming up on our
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  Speaker 5: feed and we don't know what's going on.
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  Speaker 4: We don't know who it is.
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  Speaker 5: And literally I didn't know he had ever talked about me,
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  Speaker 5: and I guess it was recently, but like I had
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  Speaker 5: never seen it. I never paid attention to it whatever,
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  Speaker 5: you know what I mean. And that's kind of where
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  Speaker 5: we got to get to. But I think ever talking
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  Speaker 5: about who should die, ever saying who should be beat up,
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  Speaker 5: ever saying who doesn't deserve to live, you know, taking
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  Speaker 5: people and throwing them in cages to the extent that
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  Speaker 5: they're literally dying. I mean, we've had more in custody
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  Speaker 5: depths as relates to ice. We're on record to hit
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  Speaker 5: a record for that, and so like, are we going
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  Speaker 5: to have these real conversations. On that same day, we
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  Speaker 5: had kids that were shot again at another school, and
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  Speaker 5: there's been no conversation around those kids.
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  Speaker 4: And the thing is, what did they do wrong? Nothing?
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  Speaker 4: They showed up to school.
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  Speaker 5: That's what happened with them, right, And so you know,
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  Speaker 5: we've got to talk about the culture of guns in
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  Speaker 5: this country and what it looks like to truly understand
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  Speaker 5: what the Second Amendment stands for. And it doesn't mean
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  Speaker 5: that everybody got to be the wild wild West. And
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  Speaker 5: now can we have a conversation about everybody had guns
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  Speaker 5: doesn't necessarily prevent gun violence.
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  Speaker 6: I was going to ask you, do you think now
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  Speaker 6: we'll see some change in gun reform and all the
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  Speaker 6: things since it's happening on No.
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  Speaker 5: No, I mean it has become to the extent that
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  Speaker 5: people worship their weapons, and it's it's it's it's crazy, right,
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  Speaker 5: like I mean, and we're not talking about you know,
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  Speaker 5: they always want to say if if Democrats talk about
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  Speaker 5: gun reform, they're like, oh, they're taking your guns. And
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, yo, I'm licensed security and I'm licensed and
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  Speaker 5: I got guns, right, and this, you know, goes back
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  Speaker 5: to my days of doing criminal defense. So like, yes,
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  Speaker 5: I know how to shoot, you know, obviously I never
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  Speaker 5: want to have to shoot.
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  Speaker 2: Can we stay there for a second, because you said
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  Speaker 2: a lot, but I want to stay there for a second.
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  Speaker 2: Please explain to people, cause I believe in the Second
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  Speaker 2: Amendment to when we talk about common sense gun reform.
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  Speaker 3: What does that look like? Yes, so nobody wants to
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  Speaker 3: take guns away.
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  Speaker 5: No, nobody's trying to take your guns away. So we
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  Speaker 5: can talk about the fact that they are currently seemingly
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  Speaker 5: struggling a little bit as it relates to the Charlie
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  Speaker 5: kirkshooting in general, right, because they're trying to figure out
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  Speaker 5: who bought what, Like this is about simple things like
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  Speaker 5: you can't buy it, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, unless there is a background check.
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  Speaker 5: You can't buy it unless like we literally have you
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  Speaker 5: document it on that weapon. And we have so many
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  Speaker 5: ways for weapons to get into people's hands and it's
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  Speaker 5: not documented. And so in this particular circumstance, it clearly
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  Speaker 5: isn't clear.
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  Speaker 4: The dude left the weapon.
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  Speaker 5: It should be as simple as this belongs to such
• 10:35
  Speaker 5: the same thing with our cars, right, Like we get
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  Speaker 5: tagged with our cars.
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  Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 5: Even if you decide, yo, I'm gonna sell it to
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  Speaker 5: my cousin down the street, what do you gotta do
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  Speaker 5: register it?
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  Speaker 4: He gotta get a license on it, right.
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  Speaker 5: So, like they don't even want to close like the
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  Speaker 5: gun show loophole. So that we can at least know
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  Speaker 5: who it is that is supposed to have this weapon,
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  Speaker 5: and then you end up in air circumstance like this,
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  Speaker 5: which obviously you know it's too late. But at the
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  Speaker 5: same time, if they're going to prevent other tragedies from happening,
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  Speaker 5: you can do it a lot quicker if you can
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  Speaker 5: literally just track the weapon.
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  Speaker 4: Like that's it. Like, that's a very simple thing to
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  Speaker 4: talk about.
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  Speaker 5: And then obviously the background checks, we want them because
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  Speaker 5: some people have been classified as not.
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  Speaker 4: Being mentally stable.
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  Speaker 5: So don't come at us after the fact and be like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: it's mental health, well, bro, Like if a court has
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  Speaker 5: already deemed that, why should we be given this person
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  Speaker 5: a firearm, Like we should have to have background checks
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  Speaker 5: on everybody that's getting a firearm from anybody.
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  Speaker 4: So it's just very simple stuff like that's it.
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  Speaker 2: Like I feel like if there isn't a shifting gun
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  Speaker 2: loss after you know, the mass shootings we saw this week,
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  Speaker 2: after the shooting of Charlie Kirk, then Republicans really need
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  Speaker 2: to do some soul search. And the reason I say
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  Speaker 2: that when you know, when you heard Charlie Kirk himself
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  Speaker 2: say a couple of deaths here and there, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's worth it to keep our Second Amendment right. So
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  Speaker 2: I always wonder, you know, that's that's easy to say,
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  Speaker 2: but what about when that death is you ow and
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  Speaker 2: that define is somebody that you love. And then the
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  Speaker 2: fact that he was actually talking about gun violence when
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  Speaker 2: he got shot. If y'all believe in God, like y'all say,
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  Speaker 2: y'all do, Republicans, it's time to have a real conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Because if that's not a sign, I don't know what is.
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  Speaker 5: No, I mean it is, you know. I wondered if
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  Speaker 5: they had something to do with it, because I was like,
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  Speaker 5: how in the heck did he get shot in the
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  Speaker 5: moment that he was talking about gun violence, Like he
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  Speaker 5: was literally answering questions about gun violence. But I do
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  Speaker 5: think that it is time for them to say we
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  Speaker 5: can have a conversation about gun reform.
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  Speaker 4: And it not be the end of the world.
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  Speaker 5: And one of those things that I really think, you know,
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  Speaker 5: Cash Hotel is actually supposed to come before my Judiciary
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  Speaker 5: committee here shortly, I think next week maybe, and we'll
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  Speaker 5: see if it ends up getting pushed off with everything
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  Speaker 5: that's going on.
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  Speaker 4: But I do want.
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  Speaker 5: To ask, like would it be helpful if everyone was
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  Speaker 5: required to have something so that we can track these guns?
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  Speaker 7: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 5: Because not being able to pick up that firearm and
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  Speaker 5: say it belongs to this person and be done and
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  Speaker 5: be like we about to go get that person because
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  Speaker 5: this is who it belongs to. Now, granted, I don't
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  Speaker 5: know what information they had on that firearm, if anything.
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  Speaker 5: And this is this is not even getting into ghost guns.
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  Speaker 5: We ain't even talking about that, right, Like, let's just
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  Speaker 5: talk about like the basics and who can be held liable.
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  Speaker 5: And the gun lobby is just very strong, you know.
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  Speaker 5: The gun lobby is like, eh, we here for it,
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  Speaker 5: you know what I mean? Like guns go wild, like
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  Speaker 5: they just want to sell, sell selle. But at what
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  Speaker 5: point in time do we evaluate and say how much.
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  Speaker 4: Is too much?
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  Speaker 5: And when are we gonna make some changes? And I
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  Speaker 5: don't know, but hopefully we can have a real conversation.
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  Speaker 5: But I honestly don't think that it should take someone
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  Speaker 5: that you value, you value their lives more than you
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  Speaker 5: value you know, innocent children or whatever before we can
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  Speaker 5: have a real conversation.
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  Speaker 3: The gun lobby is are the reason that Congress is
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  Speaker 3: to deliver on.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: That's one of the main reasons that you know they
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  Speaker 5: haven't right. And I do applaud those, you know, local
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  Speaker 5: law enforcement agencies that are doing like gun buybacks and
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  Speaker 5: things like that and really trying to pull guns off
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  Speaker 5: the streets.
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  Speaker 4: That is so helpful.
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  Speaker 5: We have seen gun violence be reduced when you have
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  Speaker 5: your local law enforcement that are doing those programs, but
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  Speaker 5: they can't stop the gun violence by themselves, like they're
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  Speaker 5: trying to do something because state and federal government is
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  Speaker 5: not doing anything. And I think that I think we
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  Speaker 5: really should have a real conversation, but I think we
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  Speaker 5: should have a real conversation after any senseless gun violence
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  Speaker 5: takes place, and unfortunately we've not been able to have
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  Speaker 5: that conversation. So we'll see if we can engage now.
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  Speaker 5: But right now, I think the focus is just on
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  Speaker 5: how do we figure out who it is that committed
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  Speaker 5: this painous offense and where do we go? How do
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  Speaker 5: we prevent it Number one from happening to somebody else?
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  Speaker 5: What is our responsibility those of us that are in
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  Speaker 5: higher office and have these big microphones. And third of all,
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  Speaker 5: is there any policy fixes that could hopefully also prevent
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  Speaker 5: some of this from happening.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to know what policy changes or even
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  Speaker 2: like enhanced security protocol you think is necessary for you know,
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  Speaker 2: public political events after something like that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So it's interesting because as I was waiting to come in,
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  Speaker 5: someone was telling me that one of his security advisors
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  Speaker 5: had actually recently, maybe within the last month, said that
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: they need to make sure that he's actually got like bulletproof,
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: like a plexiglass of sorts. Yes, yes, supposedly that happened.
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  Speaker 5: I haven't read up, but literally, you know, one of
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  Speaker 5: my staffers is I was coming in, so I think that,
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  Speaker 5: you know, number one, a lot of us talked about
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  Speaker 5: this weekend and the fact that it may be dangerous
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  Speaker 5: for us to be out. It's always dangerous for us
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: to be out. But if you've got like outdoor rallies
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: and things like that, that maybe like cancel them because
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: even now, you know, again on social media or otherwise,
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: I never uttered Charlie Kirk's name, but my staff has
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: been enduring all types of threats in our office to
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: the extent that they are increasing the policing around the
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: places that I live right now. And it's like, how
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: am I like.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: In this because you're one of the most high profile, outspoken,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: controversial public figures on the left.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: But I don't matter.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: If somebody was looking to get some get back, that's
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: what they would, they would, that's what they're like.
• 16:36
  Speaker 7: What happened at the HBCU campus is.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: Correct, And that's the thing. It's like, first of all,
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: black people ain't have nothing to do with this. We
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: wasn nowhere near Utah.
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: You know, so I'm like, how how was the response
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: to go after black students?
• 16:49
  Speaker 7: You know?
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: And it's interesting because I was talking to one of
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: my best friends who graduated from Gramblin and I was like,
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: you know, is grambling on lockdown? Because like it was
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: just kind of like in the moment, and it's like
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: we're getting these alerts about this school and that school,
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: Hampton and all these different schools.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: I was like, what is happening? And I was like,
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: and why are we in this?
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: Right? Like, what is it that students on an HBCU
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: campus have to do with this?
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: Like this that wasn't a place that let me point
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: this out. We have had school shootings that have taken
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: place on all types of campuses, and there are those,
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: specifically on the right that always want to put out
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: this idea that black folk are dangerous and criminal and
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: we just have more of a propensity to commit crimes
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: and things like that. Do you know how many school
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: shootings we've had at an HBCU zero zero, one of
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: the safest campus that you can be a safe haven?
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: And it is It is interesting because those campuses were
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: created out of kind of this segregation idea, but we
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: don't do it like we like, it's not I mean,
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: and the idea that you know, as soon as it
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: happened and the next thing you know, the trans community
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: is under attack again, right because they said that the
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: Minnesota is shooting was a trans woman I believe, And
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: so because it was a trans person, they're like, oh,
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: this is what happens. But I was like, so, we're
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: not gonna talk about white supremacy, Like, we're not going
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: to talk about the fact that the vast majority of
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: these shootings, whether they are seen as political or not,
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: if we look at the numbers, white supremacy ideology. But
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: we don't want to do anything about that. There's no
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: legislation that they want to bring. Every time you say
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: white supremacy, they want to yell, oh, you're race baiting. No,
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: I am going on facts like these crimes. When we
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: look at these mass shootings, most of them are linked
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: to neo Nazism or you know, pow boys or whatever.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: It's always some white supremacy kind of thing that's going on.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: It's not black folks that are going out there, it's
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: not immigrants that are going out there.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: But what cities are we going into?
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: Black cities because we are supposedly the ones that commit
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: all the crime which people? Are we going after immigrants
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: because allegedly it's immigrants, But we don't want to have
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: a talk about what the numbers say with the facts say,
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: which is that we have a white supremacy problem in
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: this country. So until we decide to deal with the problem,
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: we're going to continue to have a problem.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, listen, I get it. None of it
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: makes sense.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Like you know, even whoever killed Charlie Kirk, that person
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: didn't even have a reason to do that.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: There's never a reason to kill it, not just for
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: their opinions.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: So I understand what y'all a say when y'all saying, yo,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: somebody like jazz, we don't have anything to do with that.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: And I'm not speaking that over you at all. But
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, if you're an outspoken person with a
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: microphone on the left, you should have your head on the.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Swivel, right, you just should.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: And you said something about freedom of speech to I
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: do believe everybody has freedom of speech. I don't believe
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: you're free from the consequences of that speech. And I
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: feel like all free speech is not free. It comes
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: with a price, and you don't get to set that
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: price because you don't know what your words may do
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: to somebody else, especially when we're talking about somebody who
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: may be mentally ill or ain't rap too type.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, no, that's I mean, that's a really
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: good point.
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: But like legitimately, like when we look at case law,
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: there are people that go out and say, oh, Second Amendment,
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: so I have no limits. I could just do whatever
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: I want to with guns, And that's pretty much been
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: the attitude of the right.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: That is not true. Same thing with the First Amendment.
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: Like, yes, you have free speech, but even when you
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: think about people that decide that they're going to protest.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: If you're going to decide that you're going to protest,
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: say in New York City, then you can't just be like, well,
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: I'm about to be out in these streets and that's that.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: Like usually there are parameters.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: They can't you Obama on an airplane.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly the same thing, like the movie theater example
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: that they always give. So like there are limitations for
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: every single constitutional right that we have. And it's more
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: so a balancing test, right, Like it's like how much
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: harm versus what you want to do as an individual right. Granted,
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: like we have our greatest protections that we're supposed to have,
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: our greatest protections when it comes to the Constitution. But
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: right now what we're seeing is a country that is
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: saying free speech for me, but not free speech for
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: thee right. If you say something I don't like, that's
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: not covered under free speech, and that's not really what
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: free speech is about. That is one of the things
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: that make us this unique democracy is that you can
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: engage in saying some of the wildest stuff ever. But
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: like doesn't mean that you should go out and ever
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: say that like oh yeah, it's yeah that person should
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: die or this person. No, Like that's that's that's crossing lines.
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: And granted I know that you're most likely not gonna
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: but if you start to incite. That's where we get
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: a lot of our incitement laws from, because if you
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: start to incite violence with your words, then you don't
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: get the free speech protections.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I think we I think we all incite, whether we
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: think we do or not. And what I mean by
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: that is I've definitely, you know, called that regime fascist.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you hear somebody call call him Hitler, what
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: he calls us racist scumbags. Yeah, if there's some white
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: supremacist lunatic who thinks you and me as a racist scumbag,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: let me take that racist comeback out. If there's somebody
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: that thinks, oh, Hitler, and then they look at somebody,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: they look at a lot of the actions that are
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: going on, they're like, well, let's let's prevent this before
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: you know, four million people get killed. Like, so I
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: can understand how all of it, Yeah, incites violence?
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I could see it.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: But as far as whether or not, you know, what
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: we are supposed to look at is if you're just
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: looking at the words by themselves and you're taking the
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: ordinary person standard is what we typically would say in
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: the law. The ordinary person would not say that incites violence.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: But when you do say things like these people deserve
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: to die, that is different, right, That is different from
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: literally just teaching somebody history, right, And it's it's one
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: of the things that we've seen with their snowfake snowflake
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: you know, theology right around around history, right, it's like,
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: oh no, no, we don't want people to know that
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: slavery was bad. Well just imagine how my ancestors felt
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: going through it, right, Like I mean, just like what
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: are we talking about, right, But you should know, you
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: should know why you shouldn't make jokes and granted you've
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: got free speech or whatever, but you shouldn't be making
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: jokes about enslavement people because like literally, like there's a
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: real history that is connected to that. But like this
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: idea of like, oh, well, somebody gonna go out and
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: kill somebody like that is not your ordinary person's standard.
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: Like it needs to be where if we're looking at
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: a blank slate, just a normal person, it should be
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: the very clear things like I mean, what we saw
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: happen on January sixth, and it was propagated by the
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: now re elected President of the United States. He incited
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: a violent mob period and he was indicted for doing
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: so unfortunately he never got his day in court for
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: all of us because I thought, well, I didn't. We're
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: not always were not plenty. I just saying, and I
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: was just saying.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: President Biden and Marrigad, I want to ask you about
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: that too, right, What did you think about uh Kamala
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Harris formay VP Kamala Harris her extra from her book
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: where she finally speaks her truth in regards to the
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Biden administration and how they wouldn't come to her defense,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: how they helped the spread negative narratives about her.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: What did you think of that?
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: I so, so that day I was at work, so
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: I haven't read through it. And that was the Charlie
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: Kirk day as well, so I was stuck for until
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: like nine pm at the Capitol. I will say this
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: as a national co chair on that campaign, when I
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: had an opportunity to talk to the Vice President as
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: frankly and honestly as I typically speak, maybe with even
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: more franklin on some of my cuss words, that is
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: how I would talk to the VP. And there were
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: a lot of people that did not understand why and
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: how the VP ever picked me.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: As a national culture it.
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: Is not every day that you have a black woman
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: freshman that ends up becoming a national culture on what
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: truly was a historic campaign, no matter what the results
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: ultimately were. And one of the reasons is because she
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: never had to worry about me backtapping her, like being
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: ten toes down, like telling her and I wasn't one
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: of those surrogates. It's like, oh, send me and have
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: me do a rally. No, no, no, no, I'm trying to
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: get in the streets. I'm trying to talk to the
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: real people. And then I would try to report back
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: to her and let her know, like, Yo, this is
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: what I'm feeling in the streets, that kind of stuff,
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: because I never wanted anything other than her to win,
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: because I was a win for the American people. And
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: I think that people took for ran it how perceptive
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: she was of who it was that literally her riders were.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: It is one of the reasons that we saw Secretary
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: Fudge being elevated as one of her national CoA chairs.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: Another person that when the history books are written, there
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: will be so many black women electeds that will talk
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: about kind of all that Secretary Fudge has been to
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: so many of us behind the scenes so I will
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: say that I am not surprised, because you know, there
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: were a lot of things that were going on. Number One,
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: we had those that were trying to push Biden out,
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: but they weren't just trying to push Biden out. They
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: were trying to push her out. They didn't want her
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: to become the nominee. They had their pick in mind,
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: and it wasn't either one of them. And you know,
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: I remember tweeting when it was actually decent to do.
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: I remember tweeting out and saying that I would only
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: go and bust my ass for one candidate, and that
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: would be the vice president. If they came up with
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: anybody else, God bless them good luck, But I'm not
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: about to run myself ragged when y'all decided to kind
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: of do this. So there's so many layers to what
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: it is to be an elected office, and it is
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: always tough to build a team of trust. It is
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: what matters most. You can teach somebody the skills, but
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: you can't teach anybody to literally have your back. And
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: politics is such an ugly game that it is so important,
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: and so the bigger your team gets, the more difficult
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: it is. Now do I believe that the president himself
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: did anything against the vice president. I don't everything that
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: I know about Joe Biden as well as the VP,
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: she never backstabbed him to.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: Be like, oh, this is my chance, let me try
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: to get it. Nothing like that.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: And you can't have a vice president there's always gunning
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: for your job. You have to have a vice president
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: that is like riding out and gonna do the things.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: And so I think between the two of them, while
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: I've not read her book at this point in time,
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: I feel absolutely confident that she never backstabbed him. He
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: never backstabbed her. But when it comes to staff, life
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: gets real. Yeah, life gets real tricky.
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: She said in the episode that the Lantic Drop that
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: she found out that the staff was like adding to
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: like the moment, so like, for instance, she would like
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: work on something super important for the country, but instead
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: they would lean into remembror when they said that she
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: tried to fake the French accent and that was like
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: a whole thing. She said that she felt like they
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: would amplify moments like that so people didn't understand how
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: she was really in the rooms, really fighting for different things.
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: And basically it would like turn people away from her
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: resume or you just wouldn't know how important she was
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: to her position.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I will say that.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: So there's a group of black women in Congress, we're
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: a little younger. We have a signal chat and we
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: have that safe space. Not only our chat, but we
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: get together, we do dinners, that kind of stuff, because
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: it is you know, people see us and they see
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: us being challenged from the outside.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: They see the right challenging us and that kind of stuff.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: But people don't understand how much people within our own
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: orbit try to undermine us, including staff, right, Like they
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: forget that your name is on the door, Like there
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: is a culture in DC even when we look at
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: the house and that kind of stuff, Like you have
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: people that have been there forever. Like when I came in,
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: people were like, how you gonna bring this person? I
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: was like, cause my name is on the door. I
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: brought people that I knew had my back. I brought
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: kids that had interned with me, and they were like,
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: they have no healed experience. I was like, yeah, that's fine,
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: they're smart. And literally, I mean my kids get tapped
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: all the time. Literally one of them took a really big,
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: good job and I was. So he was sad, he
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: was crying when he left me, but I was like,
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: this is a great opportunity. And so and I still
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: have a number I mean kids that graduated college at
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: twenty that I I had as interns when I was
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: in the state House that are now still with me
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: on the hill. And that is because I didn't need
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: people coming in thinking that just because they heal people,
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: they gonna run me.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: But that is how the hell is run where you have.
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: These staffers, especially when it comes to black women, where
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: they try to undermine us at every turn.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: And you can even be.
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: The vice president of the United States and running to
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: staff that, for whatever reason, believe that they have the
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: right to undermine you, and they will and they play
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: you because you're in a political position. So there's only
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: so much that you can do because it's not like
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: running your own shop or whatever that ain't got nothing
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: to do with politics, where it's just about profit, Like
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: your profit is people and the people's perception of you.
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: And if the people closest to you are saying things
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: that are contradictory to who you are, like it's a
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: whole game.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: And so it's very.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: Difficult and truly. I remember the same group of women
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: that I'm talking about. The Vice president would bring us
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: over to her home, so the Vice President's residence, and
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: we would sit down and we would have dinner, and
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: it would be those moments that we could talk about,
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: like what some of our challenges are beyond just the
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: normal that goes into the job.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: It is what black women face kind of in general,
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: in any space that they walk into.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: There was never built to accept them. I'm right, yeah,
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: we did.
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: So to your point, because when I read the EPSURD,
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: I understood one hundred percent. Even before she came out
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: and said all these things, I could look at her
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: and see because I've been in the shoes of what's happening.
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: I've haven't been Vice president, but I've been a black
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: woman in the space.
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: Right. But why did she not say something before?
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: Now?
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: We were all there with her, like we would have rolled.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: We actually weren't.
• 31:57
  Speaker 7: We were. We were to a certain extent.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: I think I rocked with the VP. A lot of
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: people were not.
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: Well, how maybe because of my family house.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: A lot of revision is history when it come to
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: the VP.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: I was out there campaigning with her back in twenty
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: twenty guys and they gave their hand to me my ass.
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: But you don't feel like when when we did the
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: whole Biden put her on the ticket thing, there was
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: a shift.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: In support for her, not necessarily amongst black people, not
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: necessarily amongst black people. So I'll be honest and I
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: think that number one. You know, again, I was a
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: fierce defender of hers before she was.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Ever the nominee or whatever. But I can remember where
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: people are like, where is she? What she doing?
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: She ain't doing nothing right because when people went out
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: and voted, there were so many people that were voting
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: for her. Like they voted. They're like, oh, Joe's there,
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: but we like, we out, we voted forget it, did
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: shit so well. But I think that that was when
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: they ran as a ticket. I do think that she
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: had a lot more black support when Joe Biden was
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: running as president and she was running as vice president.
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: But again, they decided that she would have to meet
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: a higher standard than the average vice president. That's what
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: they decided because people are like, well, I voted for you,
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: so they're like, where is she right? Not understanding the
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: role of the vice president because it ain't nobody how
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: many people went out there and it was like, I'm
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: voting for jd Vance. No, they wasn't saying I'm voting
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: for jd Vance. They were voting for Trump. Jd Vance
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: just kind of happened to be there, right, And that's
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: typically how we do our tickets is you usually have
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: the star up here and then you never want anybody
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: who's gonna outshine you. But literally, I think that they
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: approached it more so as a partnership because when Joe
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: Biden served as vice president to Obama, it was more
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: like a partnership, and I think people just wanted to
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: see her more because I would hear it and I'm like, well,
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: tell me what Dick Schiney was doing.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: Like tell me and I'd be like, name five of
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: the vice presidents.
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: Right, And if you couldn't, then I'm like, y'all, y'all
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: are putting more on her than the role actually allows
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: for now. I do think that we also have to
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: be cognizant of that when we walk into spaces that
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: typically we're not in, we do have to do more.
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: It's unfortunate, it's not right, but we do. And so,
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: like it was only within that one hundred and seven
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: days that people could start to see, no, this is
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: who she is. And I think a few more days
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: and we would have been fine. But one hundred and
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: seven day a little over three months to run any
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: campaign is wild, let alone to run a presidential And
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: it also she also was forced into an infrastructure that
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: was built for Joe Biden and she ain't Joe Biden, right,
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: but like, you can't build your own presidential infrastructure in
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: that short amount of time, so you tried to like
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: plug and play somebody that like that's not who she was.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: And you would.
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: See as time was going on, she was really hitting
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: her own stride, right, that fit her versus her kind
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: of being forced into this space. But I don't think
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: that coming out and saying well staff did this or that,
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: then they would have looked at her and they would
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: have said she was weak.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: They would have said, oh.
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: She's complaining, she's given excuses. Those are the things they
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: would have done a lot of times. It's a lot
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: of stuff that goes on with us, but like us
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: saying something is not gonna get us anywhere, Like we
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: literally just got to be like whatever, because we always
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: have more obstacles no matter who we are no matter
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: what we're doing, we're always gonna have more obstacles. And
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: ain't nobody trying to hear that you couldn't get it
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: done because of the obstacles, like they just look at
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: you and and to me, it would have played into
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: this persona of the Democrats is that we're weak. And
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: so I think like doing a tell all and you know,
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: dissecting what happened for the people, giving people like the
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: inside of you afterwards is fine. But I think in
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: that moment when you're looking for the commander in chief
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: of the biggest, best, strongest nation in the world, complaining
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: about staff is not going to steal that type of confidence.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think she should have complained about staff.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: And you're right about everything you're saying in regards to
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: the VP. But times changed and they changed a lot.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: So for somebody like the Vice president, I would have
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: liked to see and I told her she should do this.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: I would have liked to seeing her out the way
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: you see JD. Vance out, Meaning you see JD. Vance
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: on these Sunday morning news shows all the time. You
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: see Jdvans popping up on these podcasts. Everybody knew Joe
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Biden wasn't going to be a popular president. All his
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: polling numbers always showed it. So being at your number
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: two on the ticket, I know they don't want you to,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: but you should be thinking about your future. And I
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: think that if she would have did that early on,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: like just calling Breakfast Club every now and then popping
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: up on D. L. Hugley show, showing up on these
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Sunday morning those shows, so when they know you, God forbid,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: it is something that would have happened to Biden did
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: he ended up having to step down. They would have
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: known you already, so you would have had to try
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: to get people to get to know you.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: One hundred yes, No, stay ready, so you ain't got
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: to get ready. I agree.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: And you do a phenomenal job of just being out there,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: not because you're seeking to be out there. You just
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: got that type of magnetic personality and when you pop
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: up on camera, you pop.
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: But you're honest and you're straight to it. And I
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: think that was the thing, like we I know, my
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna stop saying we. I was waiting for Kamala
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: to be just here's like we're seeing things.
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: What's up?
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: Like what you're like our person, and that didn't happen,
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: like even your Twitter account, Like when things happen, I
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: go to your Twitter because you talk about it so
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: regular and you're straight to it. I felt like we
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: didn't have that, Like now she's using the words like
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: reckless or you know, ambition and ego were Biden's issue
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: and things like that. But we all could have had.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: That conversation, y'all.
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: Don't y'all don't know how these how these handlers are
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: like like you, you would not you could not imagine
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: the amount of pushback I do, like internally, like I
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: would have staff. Again, this goes down to staff and
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: handlers and consultants, right, So I would have staff, especially
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: when I started, Like cause my tweets, if it's Jasmine
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: for us, it's me.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: It ain't nobody else.
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: It's staff on my other accounts, right, but it is
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: me when it's Jasmine for us. So when I first
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: started doing stuff, I had stuff, They're like, oh, you
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: can't do that. I said, I'm sorry, why can't I?
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: I can do whatever I want to do, right, like,
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: and so I pushed back. I remember even other colleagues
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: after Marjorie and I had our situation.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: They were like, well, we don't we don't know if
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: you should have did that. That's cool.
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: Like ultimately, like if the people decide that they don't
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: want to re elect me because I decide that I'm
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: gonna show up and be myself and I'm gonna be
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: in defense of myself, which I don't know why you
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: could be convinced that I would fight for you somebody
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: that maybe I've never met, because I've not met every
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: single one of my voters, when I won't even defend myself.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: Now, if y'all decide.
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: That that's not the representation that you want, that is
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: perfectly fine with me because my life is a lot
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: simpler when I'm not in politics.
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: Like that is okay, Like I am, I am okay
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: with it.
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: But what happens is people say, well, the only way
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: you're gonna get here is if you do this, or
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: that I can tell you that there is no consult
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: that ever would have approached me or said that I
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: should be who I am and thought that I would
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: become one of the top fundraising members of the House period,
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: Like they would never have said be who I am.
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: And so again this goes into the fact that she
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: plugged into an apparatus that was not built for her. Right,
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: You're talking about Joe Biden, who had been an elected
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: official since he was in his twenties. You're talking about
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: an older white man. You're talking about something completely different
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: in the standards that are going to be set versus
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: a black woman and a woman just in general. So
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: having that apparatus of what Joe Biden can do or
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: should do, it is not the same as Kamala and
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: what she should do because she's gonna have to connect
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: on another way, right, Like they are going to Black
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: people specifically, are going to expect different of you. It's
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: not right, Right, they're both running for president. But if
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: you've got, you know, a white man running for president,
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: there's going to be like, well, I don't expect him
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: to really understand and all of our black issues are
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: necessarily talk about reparations, right, Like that's what they're gonna
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: do now. They running for the same dagon position, Right,
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: But when it comes to a black person or a woman,
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: then they are going to expect you to lean in
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: on some of those things. And so you've got to
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: have an apparatus or even understanding the media, right, understanding
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: what media should be done, Like, ain't nobody expecting Joe
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: Biden to show up on the Breakfast Club? Like they're
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: not right, But if you're going to be a black
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: candidate that I'm looking at and I'm saying, yes, she
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: for real, she one of us, then she's gonna.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: Have to show up on the Breakfast Club.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Like.
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: It's it's those little things about again, that system that
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: is set up, and it's like this ain't for you, right,
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: like because again you talk about he's going on the
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: Sunday morning shows and this now he doing a random
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: podcast or whatever, like the Spaces, and you started to
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: see her doing more of it towards the end. You know,
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: you saw her on the different podcast and that kind
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: of stuff. But that was when she started to say, Yo,
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: this ain't working, like I gotta flip it this way, right,
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: They did say that at some point in my mind
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: she did okay lesson, but I do feel like she
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: was going through what we typically go through behind the scenes,
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: where we're pushing back, and it was one of those
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: reasons that I always wanted to get to her because
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: I don't want to come to you afterwards and be like,
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: well you should have did this, and you should have
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: did that, like you put me on the team to
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: talk to me about what I'm getting from the streets
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: now so that.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: We can win.
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: Like I literally wanted her to win because I did
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: believe that Project twenty twenty five was real. I did
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: believe that this was going to cause so much more harm,
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: specifically to black people than anybody else. I did believe
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: that this guy was going to be bad for our economy.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: I truly believe this. This wasn't me drinking some kool aid.
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: This was me reading. This was me listening as he
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: was talking about the tariffs. This was me understanding how
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: terrible his tariffs were before for us. This is me
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: understanding trade. This is me understanding foreign relations. I knew
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: that this guy was gonna be a disaster, so I
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: needed her to win, not just for me, but for
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: the people that I represent and frankly, for a lot
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: of people that voted for this guy to come in
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: and hurt them. I was fighting for them too.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: This is why I'm I'm actually glad about what she
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: wrote in her book. And it's not even about her
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: or her political future. It's about the future of the
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Democratic Party. Because at some point, whoever the future of
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: the party is, even even the now at the party,
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: they have to tell the truth about the party. And
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: you gotta be willing to throw that old regime under
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: the bus. You gotta be able to say President Biden
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: shouldn't have, you know, ran for a second term. You
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: gotta be able to say, you know, if you felt
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: like Donald Trump was a real threat to democracy, like
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: the things you just laid out, you got to be
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: able to say, Marriy Garland drop the ball.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: You gotta be able to say, how Keen Jeffreys and
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: Chuck Schumer gotta go. You gotta call a thing a thing.
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying I said I got fired.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: But you can't only call a thing a thing when
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: it's a Republican.
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: I think, no, no, no, I don't disagree with you.
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: I think that you will not catch me on a
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: hot mic saying some of those things that you're talking about,
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: because it's kind of like anything else. It's like, you know,
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: we're black, right, so you think about the fights that
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: you have within your family. It's like in the streets,
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: we won, but like when we go in the house,
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: we don't have to hash some things out and that's
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: what I think we have not done a good job of.
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: Even when they decided to come after Joe Biden, it
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: was a very.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: Public out of the house thing.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: No, we needed to have some conversations as family, and
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: that's what Democrats are bad at, Like we don't have
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: the family conversations. Are there people that maybe should not
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: be seeking re election right now in the House?
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: Probably?
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: Right, you ain't gonna catch no names from me, Okay, probably,
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: But I don't think that it does us any good
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: to go out and then sow division because as the
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: Republicans love to come in and they will exploit those divisions, right,
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: and then all that does is make the party feel like, well, y'all,
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: I got your shit together?
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: So I do think that we need to have these conversations,
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: and we really do need to have them behind closed doors,
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: and we really need to say either we can continue
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: to go the way that we're going, where yes, people
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: are upset with the Republicans, but they ain't happy with
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: us either, or we can say we've got to figure
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: out how we're going to fix this and what is working?
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: What do people respond to?
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: Like we know that there's the drama about the New
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: York mayoral and all that that is going on. Right,
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: we know that there are certain figures that the old
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: Guard is not necessarily the most comfortable with.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Right, Hakeem Jeffries, Chuck Schumer, Governor Cavi Hokl do not want.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: To endorse governor I mean mayor candidate Mundani?
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: Yes, okay?
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: Why And I'm you know, I don't live in I'm
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: a mine, my good texs is business. But but I'll
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: say though that like there really needs to be a
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: conversation even if there's not, like it's like a matter
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: of like, have the conversation taken place behind closed doors
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: about the concerns about the questions about the fears. Do
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: I believe that any of these persons that you just
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: named believe that Mandamie is actually a bad candidate.
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: I don't think in my heart of hearts if they
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: actually believe that he is a bad candidate.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: I really don't.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: One of their main lobbyists hasn't stamped them yet, and
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: that's Apax. So you know, until Apak says, you know what,
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: he's good with us.
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying that that is or isn't I will
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: say though, that another thing that Republicans do is they
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: love to find someone that they feel like is very polarizing,
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: and then they bring that person onto other candidates. And so,
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: for instance, for a long time, they were doing all
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: these mailers and all these ads with Nancy Pelosi because
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: they had driven down Pelosi's like favorabilities amongst kind of
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: independence and some other folk, right, And so then they
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: would put it don't matter what the race is, they
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: just gonna be another Nancy Pelosi, Like that's what they
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: would do, right, And I do know that, you know,
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: those types of things kind of seep in.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: They used to do it with AOC all the time.
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: I think that AOC's favorabilities have obviously shifted because they
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: are not using AOC anymore, right, they have yet to
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: use me. But we know that Fox News spends a
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: lot of time trying to drive down my favorabilities by
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: running like junk stories and that kind of stuff. Because
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: literally Republicans will walk up to me, introduce themselves, tell
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: me how much they love me, and make sure that
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: they know or that they tell me that they're a Republican.
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: And so I think that there is something to be
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: said for when people are like, how did the United
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: States vote for Obama and vote for Trump? Like it's like,
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: what is happening?
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: But I think what people fail to realize is that
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: both of them have the ability to bring in people
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: that normally don't participate in politics, and that is how.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: You find a winner.
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: A winner is somebody that can bring in people that
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: normally don't participate in politics. So what is it that
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: attracts somebody that normally doesn't participate in politics. Usually it's
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: them believing that they're authentic, even if it's a common right,
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: it's like, you know what I relate to that person,
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: That person is speaking to me, that person is doing
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: something that other politicians don't do. They don't sound like
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: a broken record. And so I think ultimately what we
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: will see is if we have like a generic run
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: of the mill Republican, which I would say jd Vance
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: is pretty much that. If that, but then we have
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: an exciting candidate that is running on the Democrat. Actually,
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: I think the country is going to be so torn
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: up that the Democrats are gonna win, because that's historically
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: what happens. If the Republicans tear it up enough, then
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: no matter who on the other side, we win, Like,
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: no matter who it is, we just went.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: At least in my lifetime, I've never seen the party,
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: the Democratic Party and this much this.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: Sirato, I agree, I agree.
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: I think I think part of it is though that
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: like people are saying that the Democrats have failed to
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: figure out how to fight back. That's that's like we've
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: never had this type of dysfunction on the Republican side, right,
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: Like we've never had it to where the Supreme Court
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: isn't reigning in you know, people's powers. We've not never
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: had it where Republicans, you know, I mean when we
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: think back to Watergate, which you know, truly Nixon looks
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: like a choir boy compared to Trump, right in a
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: bipartisan way. They voted to impeach him and he just
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: decided to resign. He's like, I ain't even gonna go
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: through this, right, we don't have that type of gumption,
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: and so, you know, I don't think our founders contemplated this,
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: and truly the Democrats are still struggling to find their
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: ability to fight back. I think one of the reasons
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: that Gavin Newsom has, you know, truly attracted a lot
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: of attention in this moment is because he's saying, I'm
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: going to fight back, and he is showing them how
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: ridiculous Trump is by doing tweets that are just like Trump,
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: and Fox News got a lot of they're, oh, those
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: are immature. All those these are Trump tweets. Like all
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: he's doing is raising a mirror to you. So I
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: think if if we get on one page on what
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: fighting back looks like, then I think that people will
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: feel the confidence that they need to fill in this moment.
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: But it's hard to say that, you know, this is
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: a dictatorship, even though we're looking at him sending troops
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: to go in and attack Americans, like even though we're
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: seeing that they are unleashing this rogue, this rogue policing
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: force that you know, if they talk black head, they
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: would know about slave patrols.
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: Because when I look at what they are doing with ice,
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: it looks like slave patrols.
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: And then you've got a Supreme Court that's like, yeah,
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: you can pick them up because of how they look,
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: at how they sound, that sounds like a slave patrol.
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: Like that is what policing was born of.
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: So yes, we need to teach history and yes, we
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: also need to talk about like why it is important
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: for everybody to know the history, because maybe we would
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: have had more Latinos that would have voted for the
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: black woman or voted with the black folk if they
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: fully understood this history, because frankly, they are the targets
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: and the victims of this, and so many of them
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: voted for it.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: You got a couple questions. I know you got to go.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: Are you losing your seat because of the redistrict in Texas?
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: No?
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: Okay, no, I mean they moved me out of my district.
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: On the federal level, you can run anywhere in the state.
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: So we'll do some polling and figure out if I
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: run in my district Texas thirty even though I don't
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: live there and will not be moving to the district,
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: or if I run in Texas thirty three, which is
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: where they put me, which is also a Democratic district.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: Epstein files.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: You know that there's absolutely people on the left that
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: will be in the Epstein files. Are you willing to
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: throw them under the bus, even if their last name
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: is Clinton?
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: I am willing to throw anyone under the bus. Absolutely.
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: I mean, we know that every single Democrat has signed
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: off on the discharge petition. Only four Republicans have signed
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: off on the discharge petition. We need one more Republican
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: and we can bring this to the floor for a vote. Obviously,
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: I serve on the Oversight Committee, and people aren't talking
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: about the fact that the only reason we've gotten any
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: Epstein files is because the only subcommittee in the Congress
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: that is all black, which is this Oversight subcommittee on
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: Law Enforcement, is led by Summer lead. They were the
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: ones that led the charge. So as MAGA complains about
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: DEI and whatever, but they gotta say an all black
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: subcommittee is the reason that we ended up getting anything,
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: because it was Summer's subcommittee that decided to move to
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: subpoena and it only took a couple of Republicans jumping
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: on board, and they did, and that then forced Comer's
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: hand because they had voted to do this. So I
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: just want to give credit where credit is due, because
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: I'm sure that's one of them things the history will
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: forget at the end of the day. I don't sign
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: up or agree on anybody engaging in child sex exploitation.
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: I don't care who you are, I don't care. I
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: mean and I will denounce the behaviors of anyone, and
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: so that's why I'm good.
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: Like whoever it is, it is what it.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: Is, all gotta go. Yeah, are you a no show
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: diva boss?
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Like The New York Post reported, They said that you
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: had staffords who said you were rude and rarely president
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: in office.
• 52:51
  Speaker 6: They tried to at the Kamma Lak too. She said
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: that in her excerpt too, they tried. I feel for
• 52:55
  Speaker 6: y'all man, they try to work with.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: Even though we see you on the hell all the time,
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, you show up the I.
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: That part they claim I don't be at work.
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: There's probably more video footage of me working than a
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: lot of members that have been there for a very
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: long time. We upload everything on YouTube. We've got our
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: clips on TikTok ig, phaseo, everywhere. In addition to we
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: send out a weekly email to our constituents that has
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: photos and lays out what we filed. It shows photos
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: of my meetings. Listen, people can say what they want
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: to say. And again, there is this culture of undermining
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: black women, and there is this culture of you not
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: gonna do what you want to do here, You're gonna
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: do what we tell you to do. I will tell
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: you that I'm always be me and there are staffers
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: that you know, mostly they're not in my office take
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: offense to how I show up every day and the
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: fact that I'm not going to conform to being just
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: a tool of Hill staffers, and it is what it is.
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: So until somebody want to put their name on something
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: to potentially be sued, I really ain't got yeah, because
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: you know, you can't defame somebody without facing consequences of
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: potentially going to court. And truth will always be the defense.
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: So if somebody wants to come forward and say what
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: they got to say and speak they truth, I look
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: forward to it. Until then, I don't really respond to
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: the New York Post that also is attempting to do
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: what we do with black women in power, which is
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: to basically say we ain't nothing but loud nothing as
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: women or people, and it's just not true.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: My last question, do you ever get tired of being
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: loyal to people who aren't loyal to you? Because Jasmine,
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: I've seen them do the exact same thing to you
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: that they do the common low, especially when you lost
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: your bid to be the top them on the oversight panel.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: I've said it a million times on the radio everywhere
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: I go. There is nobody who should be front and
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: center more in the Democratic Party than you right now,
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: just because you bring the eyeballs. You know how to message,
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: whether people like it, whether people don't like it, you
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: know how to message.
• 55:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: So I truly believe that everything happens for a reason,
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: even the bad things, or even the things that I
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: believe made best sense me running for oversight was always
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: about trying to do best by my party, by the caucus,
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: and trying to hopefully get us into a better space
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: with the people that we serve. But at the end
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: of the day, if people don't want my service, they
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: don't want my service. But if I said that I
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: was not disappointed with how much I had given to
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: a caucus that then felt like they reduced me to
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: not being worth it, like very much. It was eye opening,
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: and so for me, I look at it like God
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: was trying to reveal to me and let me know, yo,
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: like you cutting for some people that ain't checking for
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: you right like, you need to recenter and rebalance yourself.
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: And so I did decide specifically after that that I
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: was going to focus more on working with the Black
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: faith community and making sure that they have the information
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: that they need, making sure that they're organizing in the
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: way that they need to organize, and really availing myself
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: with them and making sure that I could support them
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: with some resources because.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: You're very humble.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: You raise over four million dollars for the caucus. You
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: did over one hundred and ten trips, you gave out
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: almost six hundred thousand. You was the seventh highest fundraiser
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: in the whole caucus for quarter one.
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: This year, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I mean it
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: was in Q two I moved up. I was even higher.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: So they cool with you.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: Laboring, you know, in the field, but they don't want
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: you leading from at the table.
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: That is what it felt like.
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: So you know, I mean, listen, sometimes you have to
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: be put into an uncomfortable position in order to move you.
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: And so for me, it was about kind of recentering
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: and talking to God and saying, Okay, it's clear that
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: like this isn't what you want me to do, so
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: like where is it you want me to go? So
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: you know, we will see, like you just asked me
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: about you know, you know, which seat I'm running in,
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: And that kind of stuff. There are definitely those that
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: want me to run statewide, so we're not ruling out
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: a statewide run either. So there's just a lot of
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: things at play because it's like maybe the House, maybe
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: it's over. Maybe that was the message, like I don't know,
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: we'll see what numbers look like. Potentially, Potentially we'll see.
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, right now, I'm focused on the redistricting.
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: We're in trial.
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: We're doing those things. But you know, filing doesn't end
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: until December, and so what we're gonna do is we're
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: gonna evaluate. We're not gonna take anything off the table,
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: and we'll see. We know that my current Toorney General
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: Paxton is a uniquely bad candidate, and you know, it
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: would be the best kind of fuck you to the
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: Republicans to specifically target my state, specifically target my district.
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: Worried about a House seat, and then I'd be able
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: to snatch a Senate seat.
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: So so we'll see. Well, we'll keep doing evaluations.
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: I can tell you that you know, from everything that
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: we know without having done our own polling, it is
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: definitely within striking range.
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: So we'll see.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett Man, please play for pray for Congresswoman
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: Jasmin Crockett. Always and you know you just be safe
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: out here, right. We appreciate you. It's the Breakfast Club.
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: Every day, Up the Breakfast Club. Finish, y'all done,