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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, Welcome back to another episode of Normally the
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Speaker 1: show with normalist takes, but when the news gets weird.
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Speaker 1: I am Mary Catherine Ham.
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Speaker 2: And I am Carold Markowitz, and it is a very
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Speaker 2: weird week here at normally End around the.
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Speaker 1: Country, it is. Indeed, it is, as you are listening,
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Speaker 1: Election day the day. Although we have like kind of
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Speaker 1: election season now because a lot of people early vote,
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Speaker 1: Election day itself is a day when there's not as
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Speaker 1: much to talk about, somewhat ironically, because people are doing
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Speaker 1: the thing we've been waiting for them to do, right.
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Speaker 2: But every single friend of mine is blowing up my
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Speaker 2: phone like, so what do you think?
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Speaker 3: What do you think is going to happen?
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Speaker 1: Yep, So wow, we don't have actual info for this day.
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Speaker 1: We can talk about the projected info and what we
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Speaker 1: think about it. There was a very sort of in
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Speaker 1: the political world, somewhat earth shattering poll that came out.
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Speaker 1: Was it Saturday Night over the weekend? Yeah, over the
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Speaker 1: weekend by Anne Selzer, who is a polster in Iowa
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Speaker 1: who is considered very reliable, sort of a gold standard
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Speaker 1: of polster reliable, particularly in Iowa. So her work is
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Speaker 1: important to people who study these things, and she came
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Speaker 1: out with a pole with Harris up three.
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Speaker 2: In Iowa, which Trump is supposed to win.
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Speaker 1: Yes, this is important because Trump generally during his career
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Speaker 1: has basically turned Iowa red. He was the one who
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Speaker 1: did it. Obama turned it blue. Trump took it back
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Speaker 1: red by pretty large margins. So if this is real,
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Speaker 1: it signals real trouble for him in other places in
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Speaker 1: the Midwest.
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Speaker 2: Right, it could be a bell weather for other states
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Speaker 2: and it could be very bad for him or today.
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Speaker 1: The broader picture. By the way, in the five thirty
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Speaker 1: eight average, which is another one of these nerdy things
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Speaker 1: that everyone looks at, Trump now leads forty nine percent
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Speaker 1: to forty six point five percent, which may not sound
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Speaker 1: like much, as Jim Garretty puts it, but by the
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Speaker 1: standards of swing states during this election, is a landslide
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Speaker 1: over on Real Clear Politics, which is another aggregate of polls,
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Speaker 1: Trump has led eighteen of the last twenty three poles
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Speaker 1: in Arizona, and in the RCP average, Trump leads forty
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Speaker 1: eight point nine to forty six point three, So it's
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Speaker 1: more stable slash more leaning Trump in those areas. But
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Speaker 1: a lot of people are just saying this is very tight.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we just it's so funny because I see so
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Speaker 2: many people on x Twitter saying it's going to be
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Speaker 2: a landslide for their candidate, and it's not the same candidate.
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Speaker 2: You see a lot of Harris people and a lot
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Speaker 2: of Trump people saying I envision a landslide and it
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Speaker 2: could happen. That's the other weird thing about these The
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Speaker 2: poles are so tight, so tight. But if all the
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Speaker 2: states break one way, we do have a landslide, and
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Speaker 2: suddenly it's like not that tight. But going into today
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Speaker 2: it is an extremely close race. I don't know who
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Speaker 2: the undecideds are at this point. Apparently they do still
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Speaker 2: exist in some tiny numbers. I find that very hard
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Speaker 2: to believe. But they're getting these people to the polls
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Speaker 2: and we'll see what happens.
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Speaker 4: Do you think we're gonna have an answer tonight?
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Speaker 2: I mean or early morning tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: So I joke that this is more of a prayer
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Speaker 1: than a data based guest. But I am hoping there's
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Speaker 1: a Wednesday by Wednesday call. Would love that.
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Speaker 2: I believe that we went to Saturday landslide, right, it
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Speaker 2: would probably mean some definitive things have happened well.
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Speaker 1: And this is the theory, by the way, that I've
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Speaker 1: heard for why Trump is spending so much time in
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Speaker 1: North Carolina, because people are saying, well, if he feels
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Speaker 1: good about North Carolina, Whisey there so much because he's
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Speaker 1: jumping North Carolina, Georgia, Virginia a little bit, and Pennsylvania
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Speaker 1: a lot. So some people's theories that they're spending all
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Speaker 1: that time there because they want a lot. Those three
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Speaker 1: down during the Eastern time zone, right, so the returns
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Speaker 1: come back across the country at different times. If he
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Speaker 1: is looking like he's doing well in those three states
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Speaker 1: early in the night, yeah, we have more information more early,
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Speaker 1: and it probably encourages people further west, etc. And you
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Speaker 1: don't get this long drawn out thing. So that might
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Speaker 1: be what is happening there. Just as a data point,
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Speaker 1: this is where the campaigns will be on the final day.
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Speaker 1: Trump Raleigh, North Carolina, Redden, Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Grand Rapids, Michigan.
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Speaker 1: Harris's final day schedule Scranton, Pennsylvania, Allentown, Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 1: So you can see what each candidate is concentrating on
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Speaker 1: she seems concerned about Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know I tweeted about this yesterday. But
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Speaker 2: these last minute ads from the Harris campaign that like,
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Speaker 2: you know, vote for me, It'll be our little secret.
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Speaker 3: I don't want to tell anyone. I find them odd.
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Speaker 2: And I wonder who they appeal to. The last one
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Speaker 2: was voiced by George Clooney. It showed these masculine men
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Speaker 2: going into the voting booth and you maybe think they're
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Speaker 2: going to vote for Donald Trump, but they actually vote
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Speaker 2: for Kamala Harris. And it's a whole like you don't
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Speaker 2: have to do what you're told kind of thing.
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Speaker 3: And I don't know who this is.
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Speaker 2: I've never met people who don't want to tell you
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Speaker 2: that they're voting for Democrats.
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Speaker 3: It's usually the other way around, even from red states.
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Speaker 1: Yes, so I know a lot of liberals and a
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Speaker 1: lot of conservatives like you. I grew up in a
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Speaker 1: liberal town, but I am conservative. So I have like
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Speaker 1: two very different circles that sometimes overlap. Never have I
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Speaker 1: seen I shouldn't say never, almost never have I seen
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Speaker 1: a social cost for saying I'm voting for the Democrat
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Speaker 1: for president.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, Even again in red states.
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Speaker 3: I don't think in Florida there's a social cost for it.
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Speaker 2: I know, I know people who are voting for the
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Speaker 2: Democrats and they live in Florida, and that's just, you know,
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Speaker 2: a normal thing. I see, we see Harris signed. My
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Speaker 2: kids point them out.
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Speaker 4: I say, yeah, people, you know, we vote whoever they want.
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Speaker 3: And that's how it goes.
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Speaker 2: It's just it's it's an interesting closing message to me
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Speaker 2: because they clearly think that they are shy Harris voters
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Speaker 2: out there who need to be nudged to the polls. Now,
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Speaker 2: what's interesting about this to me also is that for
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Speaker 2: the last few elections, polsters had a hard time polling
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump supporters. And they've had that hard time because
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Speaker 2: there was a social cost to saying, you're voting for
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Speaker 2: the garbage nazi.
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Speaker 3: Right, you're voting for Hitler. How could you tell that.
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Speaker 4: To a stranger on the phone.
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Speaker 2: Now, the question is have they figured it out for
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Speaker 2: this time or are these polls still under counting Trump supporters.
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Speaker 2: If they are under counting Trump supporters, we actually might
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Speaker 2: have a landslide on that night.
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Speaker 1: That's the big question. If the polling assumptions under rate
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Speaker 1: turnout for Trump, as they have in the past. Now,
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Speaker 1: the tricky thing about this is that Trump's trying to
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Speaker 1: pull from new populations. He hasn't He hasn't done gen
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Speaker 1: Z male voters via podcast before, right, so this is
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Speaker 1: a different thing. Minority voters by the way, reading Pennsylvania
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Speaker 1: is a majority Latino town in Pennsylvania that he will
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Speaker 1: be going to today on that quest. But yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: the question. If if they're undermes estimated as they were
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty and twenty sixteen, then he might very
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Speaker 1: well run away with this thing. But if the assumptions
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Speaker 1: are correct, or.
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Speaker 3: Maybe if they figured it out.
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Speaker 1: Yes, then it really is quite even. Nate Cohane, by
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Speaker 1: the way, who runs the New York Times Siena poll,
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Speaker 1: which came with very different suggestions of what might happen
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Speaker 1: than the than the Sellser poll, and the New York
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Speaker 1: Times poll has been an ongoing polling situation. The Salesor
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Speaker 1: poll is kind of a one off. He was saying
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Speaker 1: that Republicans are sixteen points less likely to answer right
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Speaker 1: the survey, which is a that's a real thing.
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Speaker 3: Yep, Yeah, that makes sense.
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Speaker 2: Again, if there's been this social cost for so long
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Speaker 2: and you're so used to hiding who you're voting for.
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Speaker 2: I think that there is some has to be some
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Speaker 2: truth to that, right. I also wonder about exit polls.
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Speaker 2: I also think about you know, I'm looking to see
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Speaker 2: what the Jewish vote is going to do.
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Speaker 4: This time around.
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Speaker 2: But even last time, where Donald Trump got thirty percent,
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Speaker 2: I do wonder if it was maybe higher because they
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Speaker 2: don't want to a first time Republican voter, your lifelong Democrat,
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Speaker 2: you're voting Republican for the first time in that Republican
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Speaker 2: is Donald Trump.
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Speaker 3: I did kind of.
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Speaker 2: Wonder if those numbers were higher than they said.
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Speaker 1: Right from the Cook Political Report, This Dave Wasserman, who
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Speaker 1: is a person just worth listening to because he knows
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Speaker 1: so many more of the numbers than I do. But
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Speaker 1: he notes Uncook Political Report, and I think this sums
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Speaker 1: it up pretty well. Will it be a turnout surge
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Speaker 1: of Trump bro gen z men, a post Dobbs backlash
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Speaker 1: of working class pro choice women, a decline in black
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Speaker 1: turnout and support for Democrats, a late EBB and Latino
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Speaker 1: support for Trump, especially concentrated among Puerto Rican voters. That
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Speaker 1: is the reference to the joke by Tony Hinchcliffe at
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Speaker 1: the msg rally, which there is there. I saw a
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Speaker 1: glimpse of one little pole that did actually ask about
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Speaker 1: that and found some movement. But there's also a political
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Speaker 1: piece today that says Trump's gains with Pennsylvania Latinos are real,
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Speaker 1: maybe enough to withstand that joke which seems a little
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Speaker 1: seems a little pessimistic from Politico on that point today.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure that that joke, by not Donald Trump,
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Speaker 2: moves the needle.
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Speaker 4: I did see, you.
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Speaker 2: Know, the Puerto Rican musician who Donald Trump actually misgendered
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Speaker 2: at one point. He said she's really hot and it's
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Speaker 2: a guy has.
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Speaker 1: That sounds very own.
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Speaker 2: Maybe that's what he meant to say, but you know
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Speaker 2: that guy has withdrawn his support.
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Speaker 4: Maybe it matters.
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Speaker 2: Jennifer Lopez of course, cried about about that joke and
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Speaker 2: about a lot of other things.
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Speaker 4: I'm sure, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I feel like this is still Donald Trump's race to lose,
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Speaker 2: and again the fact that it could go either way,
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Speaker 2: you know, doesn't even need to be said. Obviously, like
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Speaker 2: tomorrow or you know, tonight, we might find out that
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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris sweeps these dates. We don't know, I would
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Speaker 2: say to people listening that it's going to be okay,
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Speaker 2: and that you have to find a way to care
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Speaker 2: about this. I do care about this result, but to
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Speaker 2: move forward if it doesn't make center.
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Speaker 4: That you hope that it will.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And I think the other thing for
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Speaker 1: our countrymen and women is having some grace for the
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Speaker 1: fact that many, many people are not super fans and
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Speaker 1: are voting just like people have always voted for someone
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Speaker 1: who best comes close to the kind of things they
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Speaker 1: care about, who might be able to help a little
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Speaker 1: bit on the margins like that is that's often what
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Speaker 1: people are voting for. So have some grace for that,
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Speaker 1: because there's a lot of reasons that you could make
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Speaker 1: different decisions based on your family situation and your ideological beliefs.
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Speaker 1: By the way, one note on the Latino vote. I
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Speaker 1: was reading this political piece and Kamala Harris has been
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Speaker 1: to reading Pennsylvania not since twenty twenty three, before she
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Speaker 1: was the nominee. Trump has been there in vance, have
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Speaker 1: been there several times, and in the closing days Waltz
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Speaker 1: has been there once for a tiny dinner with like
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Speaker 1: sort of elite leaders in the community. So that's just
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Speaker 1: a there's a pattern of Democrats taking certain voters for granted,
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Speaker 1: uh huh, and those voters not liking it. Right, The
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Speaker 1: other side of the coin is that Democrats are really
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Speaker 1: good at turning out voters that they've taken for granted.
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Speaker 2: Of call there, Yes, that's the thing, you know, we've
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Speaker 2: talked about it on the show, where certain groups have
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Speaker 2: become more likely to say that they're pro Trump out
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Speaker 2: loud than they ever were before, say black men.
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Speaker 4: But then you still have to move that.
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Speaker 2: From the conversations that they're having into the voting booth.
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Speaker 2: And who knows, maybe Republicans have figured it out, maybe
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Speaker 2: they haven't. We're about to find out.
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Speaker 1: We'll be right back on normally, it's a plus for
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Speaker 1: Republicans that the Senate map, as they call it, is
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Speaker 1: extremely positive for them. They're not fighting on a bunch
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Speaker 1: of vulnerable ground. They're fighting in several places where they're
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Speaker 1: likely to turn a blue seat red. Those places are
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Speaker 1: West Virginia quite certainly in the in the bag that's
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Speaker 1: Jim Justice taking mansions open seat in West Virginia and Montana,
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Speaker 1: where Tim Sheehy has run a very good race against
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Speaker 1: long time incumbent John Tester, who has been Teflon tester
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Speaker 1: when it comes.
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Speaker 2: To how does Montana have a democratic You know, Senator,
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Speaker 2: it's wild.
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Speaker 1: It's real, but he does. They do seem nervous about
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Speaker 1: that race. She he took a lead like semi substantially
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Speaker 1: about a month ago. It felt like uh. And certainly
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Speaker 1: some Democrats have been nervous in Wisconsin where Huvedy the
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Speaker 1: Republican is running strongly against Tammy Baldwin, the incumbent Democrat.
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Speaker 1: So I think this is another thing to tell yourself,
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Speaker 1: is that if you happen to favor Donald Trump and
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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris becomes president, there will likely be a Republican Senate.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what you're going to tell yourself
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Speaker 2: if Donald Trump becomes president.
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Speaker 3: Sorry, we don't have advice for you.
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Speaker 1: I mean just you know, I just do believe that
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Speaker 1: in many cases, despite I think both teams irresponsible behavior
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Speaker 1: at times, the beauty of our system is that it
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Speaker 1: can hold up to challenges. And that's what I comfort myself.
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Speaker 1: Even the electoral college. The electoral college is the reason
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Speaker 1: that none of us know what's going to happen, and
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Speaker 1: it's actually in the voter's hands because a tiny number
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Speaker 1: of voters in these states can change it from a
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Speaker 1: really close call to an electoral landslide.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean a prediction we can make is if Kamala
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Speaker 2: happens to win the popular vote and Donald Trump wins
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Speaker 2: electoral college, I think Democrats will go pretty hard against
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Speaker 2: the electoral college.
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Speaker 3: I can imagine that happening.
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Speaker 1: It could also go the other way around, and people
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Speaker 1: like you and I would probably be like, Okay, guys,
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Speaker 1: calm down. The electoral college is actually very important for
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Speaker 1: these reasons.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's us keep it anyway, even if it didn't
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Speaker 2: go our way.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Can we talk about the little kerfuffle with NBC? Yes, okay,
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Speaker 1: So I think we've got a clip of this. Kamala
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Speaker 1: Harris appeared on Saturday Night Live, the last Saturday before
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Speaker 1: the election, on NBC's broadcast network. Here she is with
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Speaker 1: with Maya Rudolph playing her and the two are looking
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Speaker 1: through a mirror at each other.
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Speaker 5: Nice to see you, Kamala. It is nice to see you, Kamala,
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Speaker 5: And I'm just here to remind you you got this
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Speaker 5: because you can do something your opponent cannot do.
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Speaker 1: You can open doors.
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Speaker 3: I see what you did. I like to be a
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Speaker 3: garbage truck. Right, I don't really laugh like.
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Speaker 4: That, do I?
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Speaker 2: A little bit?
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Speaker 1: Not Kamala, take my Pamela.
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Speaker 5: The American people want to stop the chaos.
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Speaker 6: And end the dramaa with a cool new step Mamala,
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Speaker 6: kick back in our pajamaa's and watch a rom Kamala
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Speaker 6: like legally Blondola, and start decorating for Christmas.
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Speaker 3: Follow la la la, because what do we always say?
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Speaker 3: Keep Kamala and carry on?
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Speaker 6: Alah?
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Speaker 1: All right, what do you think?
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Speaker 2: That's actually the first time I've seen it, So you're
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Speaker 2: getting a live reaction of I am embarrassed.
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Speaker 3: I want to like hide my eyes.
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Speaker 2: That was not good, and it was not good, and
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Speaker 2: it could have been good. She started out sort of
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Speaker 2: making fun of herself. Do I really laugh like that?
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Speaker 1: If she continued, you get points that for me every time?
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Speaker 4: Sure, any self deprecating humor. I think when it went
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Speaker 4: a long way.
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Speaker 2: There was a segment of said in a night Live
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Speaker 2: that I did see where Tim Kaine, you know, talks
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Speaker 2: to a liberal voter who says it's the most important
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Speaker 2: election of our lifetime, and he says, well, I ran
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Speaker 2: eight years ago and you said that was the most
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Speaker 2: important election of our lifetime. What's my name? And the
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Speaker 2: liberal voter can't name him? And it was very well done.
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Speaker 2: Tim Kaine understood that, you know, he's kind of forgettable.
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Speaker 4: And what are you going to do? But this was
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Speaker 4: not funny.
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Speaker 2: And I also, I know, I know there's a big
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Speaker 2: kerfuffle about the fact that they didn't give Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: equal time. One of the people I follow on X,
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Speaker 2: Michael Schellenberg, is all over it, and I get it.
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Speaker 2: It's it's important to not have these channels just break
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Speaker 2: the rules and nobody cares. But I don't know that
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Speaker 2: this would move the needle who saw this and was like,
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Speaker 2: I was going to vote for Donald Trump, but now
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Speaker 2: I'm voting for this.
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Speaker 1: So I but that the skit with Maya Rudolph was cute,
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Speaker 1: but it was cute because my Rudolph is cute, Yes,
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Speaker 1: and I appreciated the self deprecation. I would say. There's
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Speaker 1: there's this moment where they open where the camera goes
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Speaker 1: to Kamala Harris and again, I know I am talk
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Speaker 1: about this all the time, but she's been doing this
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Speaker 1: for decades. The camera comes to her, obviously there's going
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Speaker 1: to be applause, right this is the reveal. She talks
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Speaker 1: right through the applause. No one can hear her. She's
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Speaker 1: delivering her lines, And I just, how have you been
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Speaker 1: doing this for decades and you don't know like's they're
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Speaker 1: going to reveal you. People are going to cheer, take
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Speaker 1: your moment and then launch into it. So that's just
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Speaker 1: a skill issue that she has. I don't care about
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Speaker 1: the equal time rule. It is. It should be enforced
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Speaker 1: equally since it's on the books, but it probably shouldn't
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Speaker 1: be on the books because it's a dinosaur from a
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Speaker 1: time when we had three networks. However, Trump did get
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Speaker 1: a minute and a half two minutes for free on
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Speaker 1: NBC during the Sunday night football broadcast because they're required
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Speaker 1: to give it to him, and so he did basically
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Speaker 1: like up straight to camera political ad on football night,
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Speaker 1: which is like, you know, pretty good targeting of male voters. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: not that we don't watch football. We do.
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Speaker 4: We do watch football.
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Speaker 2: Again, I don't know that any needles will be moved
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Speaker 2: there either. I again, like, you think it's the right
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Speaker 2: thing to do because the rules on the books, and I.
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Speaker 4: Think the rules rather silly.
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Speaker 2: But if it's there, let's force it, But who who's
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Speaker 2: at home on Sunday night still deciding who they're voting
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Speaker 2: for today?
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Speaker 4: Who are you?
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Speaker 3: People?
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Speaker 4: Tell me?
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Speaker 3: Tell me who you are.
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Speaker 2: We talk to us normally the pod at gmail dot
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Speaker 2: com Sunday tail us election. You were undecided about what
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Speaker 2: you were going to do.
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Speaker 4: And it has to be between the two candidates.
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Speaker 2: It can't be like the candidate or staying home because
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Speaker 2: I am staying home.
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Speaker 4: I do.
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Speaker 1: I get that too. So the Kine thing I enjoyed too.
20:08
Speaker 1: So Tim Kaine is the now basically anonymous Virginia senator
20:12
Speaker 1: who was Hillary Clinton's running mate. And the game show
20:17
Speaker 1: skit was name this person, and they would just show
20:20
Speaker 1: you a picture of someone and you'd have to name them.
20:22
Speaker 1: And of course the contestant, a good liberal, knew who
20:26
Speaker 1: Doug Imhoff was, knew who the special counsel was, Like
20:30
Speaker 1: who you know? Whoever? They throw up? And I think
20:32
Speaker 1: my favorite part was when I said, in twenty twenty,
20:37
Speaker 1: you tweeted this list of names of black victims of
20:40
Speaker 1: police violence and said remember their names. So my question
20:46
Speaker 1: to you is what is one of their names? And
20:48
Speaker 1: he gets very excited and the host goes, that is
20:52
Speaker 1: not George Floyd so good, even better. The answer is
20:59
Speaker 1: to me know, Lens, and I just I want to
21:02
Speaker 1: applaud Mullaney. John mulaney was the comic and the host
21:05
Speaker 1: and the writers for for that one, because I enjoyed it.
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Speaker 4: It was excellent.
21:10
Speaker 1: It actually secured liberals for the thing that they do.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's they're funny when they kind of poke
21:16
Speaker 2: at both sides. They're not funny when they're singing Hallelujah
21:21
Speaker 2: after Hillary Clinton losers. Funny can be good no matter
21:26
Speaker 2: who's being made fun of. H don't get preachy, don't
21:29
Speaker 2: get sanctimonious, don't sing us songs.
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Speaker 1: Yes, not that hard. Hung Cow, by the way, is
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Speaker 1: a is the candidate Republican candidate for Senate in Virginia
21:39
Speaker 1: against him Kane. And he put out a great statement
21:42
Speaker 1: because people were saying, hey, Hung Cow now needs to
21:46
Speaker 1: get time for equal time, which may actually be the rules.
21:50
Speaker 1: And Hung Cow put out a great statement that was like,
21:52
Speaker 1: you know, he was in New York and I was
21:54
Speaker 1: barnstorming Virginia. So I think he's made the contrast for me.
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Speaker 4: Ooh, it's good.
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Speaker 1: I thought that was quite good.
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Speaker 3: Is that raised closed or.
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Speaker 1: Well? Virginia's probably not very close, so I doubt that
22:08
Speaker 1: hun Cow, who is a very impressive veteran, will pull
22:12
Speaker 1: off that race. Certainly, the young Cain turnout machine is
22:15
Speaker 1: much better and more sophisticated than in years past we've
22:19
Speaker 1: had for Republicans in Virginia. I have heard. Incidentally, since
22:23
Speaker 1: we're doing tea leaf reading, I've heard I've been asking
22:25
Speaker 1: suburban moms in northern Virginia are you getting door knocks?
22:30
Speaker 1: Are you getting outreach? Because Harris says she's reaching these
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Speaker 1: women my soft are as. They're called moderate Republican, not
22:39
Speaker 1: very friendly to Trump women friends, and no door knocks
22:44
Speaker 1: for any of them. Right, Kamala has more money than God.
22:47
Speaker 1: I know that Virginia is not in play, but like so,
22:51
Speaker 1: no door knocks. But a friend of mine in northern
22:55
Speaker 1: Virginia got three door knocks from a very enthusiastic Asian
23:01
Speaker 1: American voters and canvassers for Trump.
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Speaker 2: Interesting, Wow, Okay.
23:08
Speaker 1: I was not expecting that to be where the energy
23:10
Speaker 1: was in Northern Virgins.
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Speaker 3: Really funny.
23:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I wonder if that's young can turnout machine.
23:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's also about the whole shy Harris voter there's
23:20
Speaker 2: a story where some Harris door knockers are asking for
23:24
Speaker 2: the woman of the house to come to the door
23:26
Speaker 2: and the man is saying no, And from this they're
23:30
Speaker 2: deducing that the woman's like being kept in a cage
23:32
Speaker 2: or in the basement or something, right, Whereas all these
23:34
Speaker 2: women on X are saying, well, no, my husband answers
23:37
Speaker 2: the door because he's digging strong and can bite.
23:40
Speaker 1: Off an intruder.
23:41
Speaker 2: And I don't want to talk to strangers, that's the
23:43
Speaker 2: main part. I don't want to talk to you, so
23:46
Speaker 2: he does the dirty work for me, and I'm not
23:48
Speaker 2: actually living in a cage.
23:50
Speaker 5: Yeah.
23:51
Speaker 1: You asked who these ads appeal to, and I think, actually,
23:56
Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's an effective appeal to soft Republican
24:00
Speaker 1: women who I don't think see their marriages as emotionally
24:04
Speaker 1: abusive and that they have to hide things like that
24:07
Speaker 1: is a dynamic that can exist, but when you put
24:10
Speaker 1: so many people in that bucket, it's sort of extremely condescending.
24:14
Speaker 1: I think it's targeted at their other giant constituency of women,
24:19
Speaker 1: which is unmarried liberal women who.
24:22
Speaker 2: Want to imagine that these married women.
24:25
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know, Yeah, I guess so or that
24:29
Speaker 1: there are so many unmarried liberal women who think this
24:33
Speaker 1: way about marriage in the Democratic Party. Yes, they're writing
24:36
Speaker 1: the ads and creating this right.
24:38
Speaker 2: They have no idea what actually goes on, and they
24:42
Speaker 2: think that they.
24:42
Speaker 1: Know, but it seems off base.
24:44
Speaker 4: Yeah.
24:45
Speaker 2: I've also heard from men who say, I actually have
24:49
Speaker 2: to tone down my pro trumpness for my wife so
24:52
Speaker 2: that our marriage days happy and blissful.
24:55
Speaker 3: And there's no ads about that.
24:56
Speaker 1: Well, I do wonder if it's sort of backfires because
24:59
Speaker 1: I've heard from suburban women here. Again, this is all
25:01
Speaker 1: just he leaves, but this is antic data, as they
25:05
Speaker 1: call it, But I've heard from suburban women around here
25:08
Speaker 1: that like that last minute appeal sort of backfired because
25:12
Speaker 1: they're reluctant Trump voters, and they're like, I guess it
25:16
Speaker 1: would be secret, wouldn't it, Because I think I think
25:21
Speaker 1: the chances of the shy woman voter being a Trump
25:24
Speaker 1: voter who's hiding it from her book club much more
25:27
Speaker 1: likely is more likely?
25:29
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, it also creates the dynamic of all your
25:34
Speaker 2: friends and family are voting for Trump, but you don't
25:36
Speaker 2: have to.
25:36
Speaker 3: But then that makes it seem like everyone around.
25:39
Speaker 2: You is voting for Trump, like I'm not sure that's
25:42
Speaker 2: true for most of these people either.
25:44
Speaker 1: But right, right, I think I my husband sent me
25:49
Speaker 1: my my normy husband is such a great gauge for
25:51
Speaker 1: this stuff, as is yours.
25:52
Speaker 3: Same same.
25:53
Speaker 2: Yeah.
25:53
Speaker 1: In fact, the other yesterday watching football, and I didn't
25:57
Speaker 1: torture him too much, so don't worry yesterday watching well,
26:00
Speaker 1: he goes it's such a great Normy moment because wait,
26:05
Speaker 1: how do they make polls? They just call people and
26:07
Speaker 1: ask them who they're voting for. And I'm like, I'm
26:10
Speaker 1: like pulling out twenty years of polling history to explain
26:13
Speaker 1: to him, right, And I look, I kept my soliloquy short.
26:18
Speaker 1: We were watching football, but I did go through some
26:20
Speaker 1: of the ideas with him. But it's interesting to me
26:23
Speaker 1: what hits with him. And one of the things that
26:26
Speaker 1: he sent me was the official Harris Wall's Freedom Town
26:30
Speaker 1: USA map in Fortnite, Yeah, which is a very popular
26:35
Speaker 1: video game. Freedom Town has no weapons allowed, no talking
26:41
Speaker 1: to other players, no custom building. In other words, the
26:45
Speaker 1: many things that you like to do in Fortnite you
26:48
Speaker 1: cannot do in Freedom Town. This is that free no.
26:53
Speaker 1: And it's a pitch to young men, which I think, Look,
26:56
Speaker 1: it's cute to get in a video game and attempt this.
26:59
Speaker 1: I think that is like not a bad idea, just
27:01
Speaker 1: like a Madden thing was not a bad idea. Yeah,
27:04
Speaker 1: but then you like the problem with reaching young men
27:07
Speaker 1: is that you're reaching a demographic that is so happy
27:10
Speaker 1: to goof on you.
27:11
Speaker 2: Like yes, yeah, you got to get it right or
27:14
Speaker 2: they will make fun of you.
27:15
Speaker 1: So like this has been going around his chats, like
27:18
Speaker 1: crazy players collect five posters with Harris campaign messages on
27:22
Speaker 1: them and deliver them to a Harris Walls political rally. Yeah, yeah,
27:28
Speaker 1: that's the that's the game sounds. He also pointed out
27:33
Speaker 1: to me we watched some Twitch at our house, and
27:36
Speaker 1: that's a place where a lot of young men gather.
27:38
Speaker 1: It's a largely video game streaming. You watch other people
27:42
Speaker 1: play video games. And Trump has a Twitch channel, as
27:47
Speaker 1: does Kamala Harris, but Trump started his much earlier. It
27:50
Speaker 1: has a huge number of people subscribe hers far fewer,
27:54
Speaker 1: and it is an interesting bit of outreach. This is
27:57
Speaker 1: not my thing, but they send notification every time Trump
28:01
Speaker 1: has a rally and you get like tens of thousands
28:05
Speaker 1: of people streaming the rally while he's wherever he is.
28:10
Speaker 1: Three times a day.
28:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am, I'm too old for this, but I
28:14
Speaker 2: appreciate girl goes on.
28:17
Speaker 1: I mean, well, I do think if they're going if
28:20
Speaker 1: the Trump theory of victory is that you bring these
28:24
Speaker 1: young men to the polls, reaching them many many times,
28:28
Speaker 1: giving them a notification on their phone when you have
28:30
Speaker 1: a rally. Smart, that's how they keep thinking about you.
28:34
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, and you hit them where they're where they
28:37
Speaker 2: are right. It's they're already on this on this twitch
28:40
Speaker 2: and it's smart. We're going to take a short break
28:43
Speaker 2: and come right back with normally. My normy husband and
28:50
Speaker 2: I had some places that we voted differently this time around.
28:54
Speaker 2: I know we're told that women don't get to vote
28:57
Speaker 2: how they how they want. Their husbands make them. Actually
29:00
Speaker 2: our house, I'm like, next time, I'm not even telling
29:02
Speaker 2: you when, when and where to vote because.
29:04
Speaker 1: This was no good. We can't you the wrong way, man.
29:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like, I am not and I'm the you know,
29:10
Speaker 2: I'm the driver of the operation in our house.
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Speaker 4: And next time, I'm not even like telling you.
29:14
Speaker 3: You figure out where to vote on your own.
29:16
Speaker 1: This is an interesting thing about the mail vote, by
29:18
Speaker 1: the way, because men vote at a lower rate than
29:21
Speaker 1: women do, and I think part of the reason for that.
29:24
Speaker 1: And by the way, just to to shout out to
29:27
Speaker 1: my husband, this is not the case in my house.
29:29
Speaker 1: In many cases, women solely keep the family calendar. They
29:33
Speaker 1: know when the deadlines are, they know when the PaperWorks do,
29:36
Speaker 1: they know where the polling place is. That's us And
29:39
Speaker 1: in my family, I'm not the person who does all
29:42
Speaker 1: of that stuff. He's got quite a bit more skill
29:44
Speaker 1: for those kind of things than I do, so it's
29:46
Speaker 1: a little more evenly split. But I think that's the answer.
29:49
Speaker 1: Like getting a twenty five year old dude to turn
29:52
Speaker 1: in paperwork and then go to the polls. There are
29:57
Speaker 1: some exceptional ones, but like it's it's like a more
30:00
Speaker 1: of an ask than a twenty seven to twenty eight
30:02
Speaker 1: year old woman.
30:03
Speaker 3: Right, absolutely, yeah, I wonder.
30:05
Speaker 2: I mean we'll see, right, we'll see if they manage
30:07
Speaker 2: to get those twenty five year olds registered and then
30:11
Speaker 2: to show up to where they need to be and when.
30:13
Speaker 2: And you know, early voting is only only certain dates
30:16
Speaker 2: and it's in one poll location, then your voting.
30:19
Speaker 1: Your votes in another one.
30:21
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, we'll see if they if they succeeded this
30:23
Speaker 2: or not.
30:24
Speaker 4: But yeah, you know, one way or the other, this.
30:27
Speaker 2: Election season is coming to an end and can't be
30:30
Speaker 2: too sad about that.
30:31
Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, I will be on Fox News
30:34
Speaker 1: broadcast for Election night, so if you want to see that,
30:39
Speaker 1: not out not the News channel, which will be the
30:41
Speaker 1: I think the more comprehensive coverage We'll be cutting in
30:44
Speaker 1: occasionally on the Fox broadcast channel. Shannon Breem, Guy Benson,
30:47
Speaker 1: myself amazing. Yeah, but we'll be watching for sure. You
30:51
Speaker 1: can see me get increasingly more insane as the night
30:53
Speaker 1: goes on. They like, well, Shannon, it's two am. We
30:58
Speaker 1: don't know what's happening. And I would just like to
31:00
Speaker 1: say that if you're the praying type, now would be
31:04
Speaker 1: the time to do so for me to go to bed.
31:07
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm up to. What are you going
31:08
Speaker 1: to be up to, Carol? How do you spend your
31:10
Speaker 1: election nights? You know?
31:11
Speaker 4: I was going to just stay in.
31:12
Speaker 2: I might do some shows on the old internets.
31:17
Speaker 3: I've been invited to some stuff, but.
31:18
Speaker 2: I kind of want to be I might be home
31:22
Speaker 2: just watching the returns and not having to be happy
31:26
Speaker 2: or sad.
31:26
Speaker 4: Or anything, just just taking.
31:29
Speaker 2: It all in and waking up my husband at like
31:31
Speaker 2: ten thirty to let him know what's going on.
31:33
Speaker 1: I love that. That's most early.
31:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
31:36
Speaker 2: In twenty sixteen, I woke him up and I was
31:39
Speaker 2: like Trump won and like confusion on his face, like
31:42
Speaker 2: we went to sleep with you know, Hillary Clinton ninety
31:44
Speaker 2: plus percentage likelihood of winning, and yeah, I like to
31:49
Speaker 2: deliver the news to him.
31:51
Speaker 1: I was on the porch with my neighbors having a
31:54
Speaker 1: beer in twenty sixteen watching the returns, like on an
31:58
Speaker 1: iPad or something, and there was a little bit of
32:00
Speaker 1: John King looking for votes for Hillary in Michigan, and I,
32:05
Speaker 1: being the one who knows all the counties, was like,
32:09
Speaker 1: if they're looking for votes there, this thing is over.
32:11
Speaker 1: And my neighbors were like really, and I was like, yeah,
32:15
Speaker 1: it's amazing. And then in twenty twenty I had a
32:19
Speaker 1: nice cozy at home election night and was like what
32:23
Speaker 1: will be will be?
32:24
Speaker 3: Right?
32:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where I am. And you know, again, no
32:28
Speaker 2: matter of what happens, stay close to your family, love
32:33
Speaker 2: your neighbors and all that.
32:35
Speaker 1: Yes, and voting your local races because those people have
32:37
Speaker 1: a lot of control over your life.
32:39
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32:42
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