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Serial Killer Documentary - Katherine Knight： Cannibal, Psychopath, Mother and Wife · The Evolution of Evil - True Crime Stories

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Speaker 1: Time Tonight on Beyond the dark Lands, meet the woman
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Speaker 1: who committed a crime so barbaric it shocked the world
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Speaker 1: and brought the worst kind of fame to the small
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Speaker 1: town of Aberdeen.
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Speaker 2: She wasn't mad, she was just evil.
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Speaker 3: She could switch on and off so quickly.
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Speaker 4: It was just an explosive anger which would come out
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Speaker 4: to the extreme.
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Speaker 1: Following years of brutal attacks, Katherine Knight committed a murder
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Speaker 1: that's almost incomprehensible. I don't believe it. It was horrified.
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Speaker 2: She took a sort of malevolent pleasure in death.
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Speaker 1: In two thousand and one, Katherine Knight was the first
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Speaker 1: Australian woman to be jailed for the term of her
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Speaker 1: natural life, never to be released. He went out and.
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Speaker 3: Cut his dog's throat. It was a plane cut.
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Speaker 1: Faced Tonight, clinical psychologist doctor Leah Jarretano takes us inside
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Speaker 1: the mind of Australia's most vicious female acula and explains
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Speaker 1: why she comes from Beyond the dark Lands.
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Speaker 5: This is one of the most distressing and disturbing murders
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Speaker 5: ever committed in this country. In fact, this horrendous slaughter
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Speaker 5: is notorious around the world, not just for its gruesome brutality,
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Speaker 5: but because it was committed by a rare creature, a
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Speaker 5: female psychopath. To even try to make sense of how
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Speaker 5: Catherine Knight could commit such a terrible act, we need
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Speaker 5: to understand where she came from and where she was
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Speaker 5: always destined to go.
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Speaker 1: This story takes place in New South Wales at the
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Speaker 1: Upper Hunter Valley, in coal mining and cattle country. At
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Speaker 1: the heart of the story is the Aberdeen Meatworks, the
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Speaker 1: town's lifeblood for more than one hundred years. In the
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Speaker 1: nineteen forties, the manager of the abbatoir was Jack Rowan.
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Speaker 1: He was married to Barbara and they had four sons.
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Speaker 1: It was a huge scandal when Barbara ran off with
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Speaker 1: another abbatar worker, Ken Knight. Ken and Barbara had four
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Speaker 1: more children, two boys and two girls. Among them was
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Speaker 1: Katherine Mary Knight, born on the twenty fourth of October
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Speaker 1: nineteen fifty five at Tamworth Hospital, just half an hour
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Speaker 1: after her twin sister Joy.
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Speaker 2: They were hard people, They were abatoire workers.
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Speaker 6: They were tinerant, They moved around a lot. They grew
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Speaker 6: up in abusive families, and they were abusive families was
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Speaker 6: all they knew.
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Speaker 1: Catherine and Joy were toddlers when their mother's first husband died,
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Speaker 1: leaving Barbara to raise eight children.
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Speaker 2: Catherine moved through a lot of schools.
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Speaker 6: She was very close to her sister Joy, but she
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Speaker 6: didn't have a lot of close friends. And Catherine was
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Speaker 6: not a confident girl and didn't make friends easily. She
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Speaker 6: had a terrible temper, but she was also very shy.
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Speaker 1: Catherine craved her mother's love and affection, even though she
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Speaker 1: claims Barbara frequently beat her.
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Speaker 6: When a child is brought up like that, a child
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Speaker 6: turns out very damaged goods, as Catherine did, and a
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Speaker 6: lot of her siblings did too.
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Speaker 1: Kenn wasn't one to back down from hitting his wife
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Speaker 1: or kids, but according to family, Barbara gave almost as
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Speaker 1: good as she got.
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Speaker 6: Katherine and some of her partners alleged that her father
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Speaker 6: was very violent towards her mother, that he demanded sex
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Speaker 6: and he got it no matter what went on. Catherine
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Speaker 6: was witnessed to this. It was never hidden, and Catherine
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Speaker 6: also suggests that she was the victim of abuse at
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Speaker 6: the hands of family members, sexual and physical abuse.
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Speaker 5: By age three or four, something would already have died
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Speaker 5: within Catherine. She knew no one was going to come
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Speaker 5: to make things better, so she had to learn to
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Speaker 5: fight or to hide. Obviously, very young children can't fight back,
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Speaker 5: so when they're under severe threat, some will dissociate. This
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Speaker 5: is more or less like a circuit tripping. Katherine was
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Speaker 5: overwhelmed and she mentally disconnected. But while she was in
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Speaker 5: that state, she was missing out on developing the range
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Speaker 5: of emotions that make us human, emotions like love, happiness, joy,
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Speaker 5: and empathy.
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Speaker 1: Catherine grew up with a fear of rape and was
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Speaker 1: forever claiming that men had abused her. At school, she
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Speaker 1: was known for her sudden and violent temper.
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Speaker 6: I remember one of her classmates telling me that she
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Speaker 6: saw Catherine turn on her sister Joy. It was an
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Speaker 6: ear about argument about whose turn it was to ride
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Speaker 6: the bicycle. Now girls, sisters in that situation might pinch
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Speaker 6: or pull hair, or slap each.
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Speaker 2: Other or shout and cry. They beat the crap out
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Speaker 2: of each other with her fists.
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Speaker 1: At fifteen, Katherine left Musselbrook High School. She could barely
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Speaker 1: read or write and had no qualifications.
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Speaker 6: Her one great hope in life. Her aspiration in life
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Speaker 6: was to work at the Abbatuarre. She wanted to go
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Speaker 6: where her brothers went. Her father when her mother had been,
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Speaker 6: her grandfather had been.
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Speaker 2: Everyone she knew and respected worked at the Abati.
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Speaker 1: At sixteen, she landed her dream job. She began in
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Speaker 1: the awful room and later became a boner.
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Speaker 2: They used to burne six hundred a day. He'd kill
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Speaker 2: six hundred.
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Speaker 1: To day at the end.
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Speaker 6: But yeah, it was just like everybody in Aberdeen used
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Speaker 6: to work in the meetworks.
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Speaker 1: Catherine was in her element.
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Speaker 4: A lot of the women and a lot of them,
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Speaker 4: A lot of the people used to come up out
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Speaker 4: of the bathroom, stand there and watch through that area.
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Speaker 1: I watched the people slaughter of the cattle. It wasn't unusual.
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Speaker 1: The best part about the job was that she was
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Speaker 1: given her own set of knives blades that soon became
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Speaker 1: her most surprized possession.
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Speaker 6: There was something disturbing about the way Catherine loved to work.
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Speaker 6: Other workers talk of her nicking arterrees just to watch
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Speaker 6: watch the carcasses bleed or the animals bleed.
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Speaker 2: She took a sort of malevolent pleasure in death.
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Speaker 5: Catherine's pathological profile means she would also have had many
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Speaker 5: fantasies about killing people. Fortunately for those around her, her
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Speaker 5: bloodlust was partially satisfied at the abattoir. The abbatoar was
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Speaker 5: her killing field. Catherine got off on the screaming and
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Speaker 5: the blood of the animals being put to death. She
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Speaker 5: would also have loved the fear she instilled in others
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Speaker 5: who watched her and saw that nothing could phase her.
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Speaker 1: When she wasn't at work, Catherine was hanging out with
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Speaker 1: the new bloke in down, Dave Kallard, better known as
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Speaker 1: Shorty Kallard.
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Speaker 2: She probably stood a head taller than him.
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Speaker 6: I believe that David was Catherine's first sexual partner, and
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Speaker 6: once they discovered sex, they fell for it in a
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Speaker 6: big way. And this was a seventies He was a wild,
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Speaker 6: drinking while living young man, and I think one day
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Speaker 6: he woke up and realized that he proposed to her.
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Speaker 6: The violence was announced on the wedding night, when David
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Speaker 6: woke up with Catherine attempting to choke him. She was
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Speaker 6: furious that they hadn't had sex five times, because Catherine
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Speaker 6: had been told that her mum and dad had sex
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Speaker 6: five times on their wedding night, and she figured that
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Speaker 6: this was normal. David had expired after two attempts, and
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Speaker 6: she tried to kill him.
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Speaker 1: David died of a heart attack in two thousand and seven,
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Speaker 1: but his sister remembers the first time he took his
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Speaker 1: eighteen year old bride home to kof Sabor to meet
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Speaker 1: the family.
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Speaker 3: I think in the beginning they were madly in love.
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Speaker 7: I thought they were totally opposite, you know, the tall
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Speaker 7: redhead marries a little, short, dark person.
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Speaker 3: But then they say oppositees a trap.
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Speaker 8: Well, she was just a girl, auburn, curly hair with glasses,
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Speaker 8: much taller than David, and I hoped the best for them.
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Speaker 7: I went to live with her and David in Aberdeen
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Speaker 7: for a few months, and of course I got to
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Speaker 7: know her a lot better than she was working at
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Speaker 7: the abbatois.
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Speaker 3: She was lovely, she was very charming. We got on
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Speaker 3: very well.
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Speaker 7: Actually, most of the time that they were married, Kathy
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Speaker 7: and I got on very very well.
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Speaker 8: There was always something about the family that I wasn't
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Speaker 8: sure of. I just felt there was a roughness around
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Speaker 8: the edges.
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Speaker 1: But the most worrying thing about Catherine was her rapid
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Speaker 1: mood changes.
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Speaker 7: She could be extremely happy, she'd walk around the house
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Speaker 7: humming and singing, and the next minute she'd just fly
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Speaker 7: into a rage. When Kathy was cranky, she got this
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Speaker 7: strength about her. She became so strong that she could
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Speaker 7: have picked David up and thrown him across the room.
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Speaker 1: Catherine had already begun threatening people with her treasured knives,
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Speaker 1: which were never far from rage.
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Speaker 3: And that's what David always said to us.
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Speaker 7: Once she gets cranky, just get out of the way,
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Speaker 7: because if she picked up a knife or whatever, it
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Speaker 7: was too late to get out.
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Speaker 3: Of the way.
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Speaker 1: By her twentieth birthday, Catherine was pregnant and highly suspicious
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Speaker 1: of her husband, who had found himself a new girlfriend.
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Speaker 6: David wasn't the most loyal husband, and admitted to me
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Speaker 6: later that he had pretty poor morals at that period
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Speaker 6: of his life. He was just a young boken I suspect.
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Speaker 6: He wasn't always that comfortable at home anyway.
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Speaker 1: Katherine and David's baby, Melissa, was born on the eleventh
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Speaker 1: of May nineteen seventy six. Six weeks later, Katherine tried
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Speaker 1: to stab her husband with a broken beer bottle. Sick
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Speaker 1: of his wife's psycho ways, Callip ran away to Queensland
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Speaker 1: with his new girlfriend, having no idea of the length
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Speaker 1: his wife would go to to punish him for leaving
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Speaker 1: her In July nineteen seventy six, twenty year old Katherine
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Speaker 1: Knight was furious her husband of two years had recently
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Speaker 1: abandoned her, leaving Katherine with their two month old baby.
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Speaker 1: Katherine was obsessively jealous and knowing David had run off
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Speaker 1: with another woman, sent her right over the edge.
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Speaker 6: Catherine was seen walking down the main street of Aberdeen,
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Speaker 6: swinging the pram violently from.
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Speaker 2: Signed to the other. She was disheveled, she was wailing.
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Speaker 6: She was a mad woman and it looked like at
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Speaker 6: one stage she was going to send the pram hurling
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Speaker 6: into the traffic.
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Speaker 1: The police were called and Catherine was admitted to Saint
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Speaker 1: Elmo's Psychiatric Hospital in Tamworth. She was treated with antidepressants.
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Speaker 1: She was back home after a couple of weeks, but
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Speaker 1: there was still no sign of David and her rage
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Speaker 1: hadn't subsided. Unaware she was being watched by Lorna from
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Speaker 1: the corner store, she placed twelve week old Melissa on
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Speaker 1: the railway tracks and walked away. The southbound train was
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Speaker 1: due any minute.
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Speaker 6: Ted Abrahams found the baby on the track before the
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Speaker 6: train came.
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Speaker 2: It was a touch and go thing, I believe, and in.
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Speaker 9: The meantime, she left the line and went up to
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Speaker 9: a house just up the road and raced into the
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Speaker 9: backyard of it and grabbed the X and was swinging
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Speaker 9: ran in her head.
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Speaker 1: Catherine was taken back to the same psychiatric wardsint Elmo's Hospital,
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Speaker 1: but checked herself out the same day. Less than twenty
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Speaker 1: four hours later, she snapped again.
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Speaker 6: She went around to a neighbor's house and knocked on
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Speaker 6: the door and said, my baby's ill.
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Speaker 2: You need to drive me to the hospital.
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Speaker 1: The family agreed. Katherine went home, and the woman and
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Speaker 1: her children drove to Catherine's place and found her very agitated.
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Speaker 6: And one of the daughters went in with Catherine to
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Speaker 6: get Melissa out of the cot. Instead of getting Melissa
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Speaker 6: out of the Catherine produced a knife and began chasing
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Speaker 6: this teenage girl out.
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Speaker 2: Of the house.
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Speaker 6: She slashed her face under the lemon tree. Then she
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Speaker 6: took the family hostage and said that she wanted them
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Speaker 6: to drive her to David Kellett's mother's house.
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Speaker 1: She wanted to kill David's mother. She knew a sure
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Speaker 1: fire away to get a man's attention was to go
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Speaker 1: after his mum.
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Speaker 6: Somehow, the family convinced Catherine that they needed to stop
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Speaker 6: at the service station and that one of the boys
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Speaker 6: should be let go because he was asthmatic.
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Speaker 1: The boy alerted the police.
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Speaker 6: That took two policemen and the service station attendant to
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Speaker 6: quiet and Catherine down.
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Speaker 2: She was swinging a big.
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Speaker 6: Metal rod at the service station attendant, threatening to kill
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Speaker 6: people again.
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Speaker 2: She was in charged again. She was shipped off to
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Speaker 2: a mental institution.
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Speaker 5: Catherine uses violence and fear to intimidate people into doing
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Speaker 5: exactly as she wants. She's seen it done in her
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Speaker 5: own family and she's carrying on the tradition. But while
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Speaker 5: Catherine's rage is at times spontaneous, at other times she's
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Speaker 5: coldly calculating. You see, Catherine enjoys seeing people terrified of
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Speaker 5: her unpredictability. She's amused by their fear.
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Speaker 1: In Queensland, things weren't working out and he's now pregnant girlfriend.
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Speaker 6: When David heard what had happened with Catherine back in Aberdeen,
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Speaker 6: he called his mother and they decided to go back
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Speaker 6: and collect her from the psychiatric institution at Morrissett.
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Speaker 1: Catherine was released into Florence's care. The following day, David
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Speaker 1: drove his wife and mother to Aberdeen to pick up
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Speaker 1: baby Melissa. This was only the second time Florence had
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Speaker 1: met Catherine's mother, Barbara.
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Speaker 8: Kathy's mother came out to the car proceeded to choke
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Speaker 8: David through the window. I was petrified, David. David just
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Speaker 8: held the steering wheel.
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Speaker 3: Oh.
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Speaker 6: David's mother was sitting in the back of the car
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Speaker 6: freaking out. She didn't know what to do. She'd never
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Speaker 6: seen people behave like this in her life. She's a
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Speaker 6: very nice woman.
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Speaker 8: Kathy came out, saw what her mother was doing, wing
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Speaker 8: hit her with a fist across the head and knocked
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Speaker 8: her mother down. That saved David's life.
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Speaker 6: He was the father yelling the mother unconsciously the daughter
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Speaker 6: with the gray's knuckles from what she'd just done. It
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Speaker 6: was a circus.
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Speaker 1: A few weeks later, Catherine and David relocated to Woodbridge
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Speaker 1: in Queensland to make a fresh start. David got a
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Speaker 1: job driving trucks and Catherine began work at an avatar
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Speaker 1: near Brisbane. In October seventy six, David organized a surprise
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Speaker 1: twenty first party for his wife.
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Speaker 7: And she was just so thrilled that she couldn't stop
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Speaker 7: kissing him all night because she was feeling like a
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Speaker 7: princess for a night.
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Speaker 3: That night she was so well behaved, and it was
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Speaker 3: a good night. We all enjoyed ourselves.
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Speaker 1: It was in Queensland that Catherine's love of her work
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Speaker 1: knives became obsessive. She started taking them everywhere she went.
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Speaker 1: She even hung them above the bed when she slept.
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Speaker 8: And I said to Kathy, why do you have knives
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Speaker 8: in the bed or hang them on the wall. She said,
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Speaker 8: shrugged her shoulders and with a pout. You know, she
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Speaker 8: was just a child, like a jud They're there in
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Speaker 8: case I need them.
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Speaker 2: They were her pride and joy.
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Speaker 8: I think she loved those her knives as much as
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Speaker 8: she loved David.
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Speaker 1: While staying with them at Woodridge, Sandy witnessed one vicious
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Speaker 1: act she'll never forget.
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Speaker 7: There was one occasion that I heard one of her
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Speaker 7: children crying very very loudly in the bathroom, and I
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Speaker 7: went in to see why there was so much crying
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Speaker 7: in the bathroom, and she had the hot tap on
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Speaker 7: and she was holding her daughter under the hot tap.
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Speaker 7: I told David what I saw, and my brother said,
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Speaker 7: promise me, Sandy, you won't say anything to Kathy tonight, because.
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Speaker 3: She will kill you. When your sleep, and she will
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Speaker 3: most likely kill me.
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Speaker 1: By nineteen seventy nine, the couple's marriage was in real trouble.
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Speaker 1: David found Catherine in bed with another man. She begged
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Speaker 1: him for one more chance. They moved to Landsborough and
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Speaker 1: Catherine convinced her husband to have another baby.
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Speaker 3: Kathy's moods became worse.
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Speaker 7: She became more violent, and by then David was quite
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Speaker 7: scared of being married to her.
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Speaker 1: David had every reason to be scared. He never knew
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Speaker 1: what was going to set Catherine off and just how
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Speaker 1: brutal she was going to be. The next attack would
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Speaker 1: come when he was least expecting it and would almost
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Speaker 1: kill him. It was nineteen seventy nine and Catherine was
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Speaker 1: pregnant with her second child. Her six year marriage to
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Speaker 1: David wasn't going well. He was now very scared of
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Speaker 1: his wife, never knowing when she would attack him. One night,
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Speaker 1: he was laid home from the pub because he'd made
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Speaker 1: the finals of the darts competition.
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Speaker 6: She hated men being late, but David put it out
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Speaker 6: of the back of his mind.
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Speaker 2: Played in the final.
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Speaker 6: God knows of he won or lost, but he certainly
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Speaker 6: lost when he got home because he walked through the door.
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Speaker 2: And she carved in the back of his head with
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Speaker 2: a skillet. She fractured his skull.
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Speaker 1: He staggered to a neighbour's place before collapsing.
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Speaker 8: I thought he was going to die.
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Speaker 10: I thought she'd cut him in half on the head
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Speaker 10: because there was just so much blood.
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Speaker 1: David spent the next week in hospital. Back home, he
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Speaker 1: discovered what Catherine had been doing while he'd been playing darts.
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Speaker 8: She grabbed all his stuff and put it all in
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Speaker 8: the bathtub and bertie shoes, his belts, his socks, his shirts,
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Speaker 8: his shorts.
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Speaker 3: He only had the clothes he had on.
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Speaker 6: The police wanted to press very serious charges against her,
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Speaker 6: but she was back to her sweetest and best and
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Speaker 6: pleaded with him not to do it for the sake
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Speaker 6: of their children, and he didn't press charges, but she
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Speaker 6: very nearly killed him.
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Speaker 1: In March nineteen eighty, twenty four year old Katherine Knight
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Speaker 1: gave birth to Natasha Callet at Nambor Hospital. Around this time,
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Speaker 1: David was driving furniture trucks, which involved being away a lot.
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Speaker 1: This led to more anxiety and more madness.
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Speaker 6: One night, he woke up with her threatening to stab him.
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Speaker 6: She said, I know you truck divers have women in
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Speaker 6: every town. You've got one, haven't you. You've got one?
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Speaker 2: He denied it.
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Speaker 6: He probably did, but he denied it. This eventually put
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Speaker 6: so much strain on their relationship that one day he
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Speaker 6: came home and she gone out of the blue. Everything
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Speaker 6: was gone, and she went back home into Aberdeen.
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Speaker 5: It might look like Catherine has a terrible fear of
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Speaker 5: abandonment that she lashes out when she's frightened David will
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Speaker 5: leave her. In fact, Catherine's anger is triggered when someone
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Speaker 5: doesn't do exactly what she wants. She's not hopelessly in
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Speaker 5: love with David and unable to live without him. She's
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Speaker 5: already cheated on him once, and when it suited her,
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Speaker 5: she left him.
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Speaker 6: When Catherine got back to Aberdeen with the two kids,
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Speaker 6: she wasn't alone very long. She took up with a
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Speaker 6: local bloke called Dave Saunders, who sort of fitted the
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Speaker 6: bill with blokes.
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Speaker 2: That Catherine went out with.
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Speaker 6: He was a hard work and hard drinking, hard talking
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Speaker 6: sort of man.
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Speaker 1: Saunders was a former speedway driver who was working at
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Speaker 1: the coal mines when he met Catherine in nineteen eighty six.
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Speaker 1: He and his dingo pop soon moved from Scone to
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Speaker 1: Aberdeen to live with Catherine and her daughters, but Saunders
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Speaker 1: reckons the honeymoon period only lasted a couple of months.
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Speaker 6: One night, he opened the door of the house to
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Speaker 6: be met by Catherine, who was in the middle of
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Speaker 6: the ironing.
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Speaker 2: She didn't put the iron down to greet him.
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Speaker 6: She swung it and smashed him in the face with
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Speaker 6: the iron. Apparently, they said you could see the steam
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Speaker 6: marks on the side of his face for weeks later.
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Speaker 2: But she wasn't finished.
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Speaker 6: She had him by the by one arm and was
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Speaker 6: swinging him around the front room of the house, attempting
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Speaker 6: to cave his skull in with the iron. The only
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Speaker 6: reason she was doing this is because he was late
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Speaker 6: on Why did Dave Saunders stay with Catherine Knight? Why
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Speaker 6: did Dave cat stay with Catherine Knight? Apparently she was
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Speaker 6: fantastic in bed.
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Speaker 1: Things had gotten worse with Saunders. One particularly ugly fight
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Speaker 1: began when he tried to leave her. The fight ended
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Speaker 1: when Catherine ran outside. Saunders followed and saw she was
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Speaker 1: nursing his dingo parp.
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Speaker 6: He realized she was holding a knife and she'd slit
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Speaker 6: his dog's throat it was dying in front of his eyes.
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Speaker 2: She was that angry at him for leaving her that
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Speaker 2: she killed his dog.
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Speaker 1: After she'd killed the dog, she turned up at her
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Speaker 1: sister Joy's place with a shotgun, saying she'd killed Dave Saunders.
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Speaker 5: Catherine has two reasons for telling her sister Joy she's
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Speaker 5: killed Dave. The first is for the shock and distress
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Speaker 5: this will create. She finds this funny. The second reason
22:33
Speaker 5: is because she's actually planning his death. She's rehearsing the
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Speaker 5: method of murder in her mind, and she's experiencing people's
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Speaker 5: reaction to the news without going through with it.
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Speaker 6: After she killed the dog, Saunders tried to leave Catherine
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Speaker 6: a few times. He moved in with mates, but she
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Speaker 6: would never let him go. She was very persistent.
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Speaker 1: In June nineteen eighty eight, Catherine and Saunders had a
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Speaker 1: baby daughter. Saunders bought an old weatherboard cottage a McQueen Street.
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Speaker 1: When their baby was six months old, they moved in,
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Speaker 1: but things hadn't improved, and Saunders kept trying to escape.
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Speaker 6: He took long service leave from the mine and told
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Speaker 6: her he was going to visit a mate another town.
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Speaker 6: He wasn't going to another town, and he wasn't coming
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Speaker 6: back either, as far as he was concerned. He disappeared
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Speaker 6: and he'd gone to Newcastle, and he hid in Newcastle,
23:22
Speaker 6: got another job.
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Speaker 1: The fiery Redhead was furious that Saunders had managed to
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Speaker 1: get away, and so she told their two year old
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Speaker 1: daughter her father was dead. While searching for Saunders, she
23:35
Speaker 1: stumbled upon her next prey. This relationship followed her usual pattern.
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Speaker 6: Pretty soon after they got together, she was pregnant pretty
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Speaker 6: soon after that. Their relationship turned violent. At one stage,
23:49
Speaker 6: she broke his glasses.
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Speaker 2: She hit him. There are a lot of allegations that
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Speaker 2: he hit her.
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Speaker 1: This hookup produced Catherine's first and only son. He was
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Speaker 1: born in March nineteen ninety one, just eleven months after
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Speaker 1: they met.
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Speaker 6: Their relationship came to a sticky end. She left him
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Speaker 6: with the kids. He felt the abandonment this time and
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Speaker 6: tried to follow her about, but she'd already.
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Speaker 2: Found a new book and that bloke with John Price.
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately for John Bryce, no one could have foreseen the
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Speaker 1: acts of untold horror that were awaiting him. Catherine Knight
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Speaker 1: had four children to three former partners. All her exes
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Speaker 1: claimed she used to beat the marp in October nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety three, she met John Price. Both were thirty eight
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Speaker 1: years old. Bryce he had an ex wife and three
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Speaker 1: kids he adored. He was the one for Catherine and
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Speaker 1: she had no intention of letting him get away.
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Speaker 6: Price he was another He had left school early, loved
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Speaker 6: to drink, drove big trucks, worked at the mine. You know,
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Speaker 6: he was your knock about, ordinary Australian bloke.
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Speaker 7: Well, only meeting for a few moments, and I thought,
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Speaker 7: what a lovely man, a real country, a lovely man.
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Speaker 3: He shook my hand and I went, well, you know,
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Speaker 3: good manners too.
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Speaker 6: All four of her partners were very similar people and
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Speaker 6: there was rarely a night in their lives that they
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Speaker 6: were sober, at least when they were with Catherine.
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Speaker 1: Initially the relationship was good.
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Speaker 11: They got on quite well, like they could sit down
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Speaker 11: and have conversation and have meals, and you know, I
25:38
Speaker 11: never really seen much arguing.
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Speaker 12: I actually didn't mind her. I knew she was different,
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Speaker 12: and I knew she was she was good for Dad,
25:49
Speaker 12: but she wasn't good for Dad. She had a lot
25:51
Speaker 12: of good points and she had a lot of bad points.
25:53
Speaker 12: But the same with Dad. He had good points and
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Speaker 12: he had bad.
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Speaker 1: Points, but some of Catherine's bad points we're just downright strange.
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Speaker 11: She'd swerve to hit a dog, like a dog would
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Speaker 11: run across the road and she'd swerve to hit it, like, Cather,
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Speaker 11: what are you doing that? Push like I don't like dogs.
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Speaker 1: The relationship followed the usual pattern.
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Speaker 6: This time she didn't get pregnant. She was getting older,
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Speaker 6: but there was violence. She beat him. Perhaps he beat her,
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Speaker 6: I don't know. She says that he did. His children
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Speaker 6: say that there were scars on his body from where
26:27
Speaker 6: she'd stabbed him and hit him.
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Speaker 1: Pricey's nickname for Catherine was the Speckled Hen. After about
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Speaker 1: eighteen months, the Speckled Hen was pushing for a lifelong commitment.
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Speaker 1: Pricey told her he was only in it for the sex,
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Speaker 1: and she ought to get used to it.
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Speaker 12: She wanted Dad to Maria, She wanted dad to Marrion,
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Speaker 12: and Dad wouldn't.
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Speaker 1: When Pricey wouldn't do what she wanted, she tried to
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Speaker 1: hurt his children.
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Speaker 11: I was what thirteen year old girl, fourteen year old girl?
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Speaker 11: And I just come home and she set me down,
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Speaker 11: like really serious conversation to tell me that my father
27:05
Speaker 11: wasn't you know, I wasn't my father's that my mother
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Speaker 11: asleept with some other bloke, And you know I didn't
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Speaker 11: belong to my father.
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Speaker 1: Although they weren't officially living together, Catherine treated Pricey's place
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Speaker 1: like it was her own. Pricey told friends he wanted
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Speaker 1: her out of his house, but in Catherine's mind, the
27:25
Speaker 1: house was rightly hers. When she found Pricey's will and
27:31
Speaker 1: saw he'd left everything to his ex wife and kids,
27:34
Speaker 1: she demanded ten thousand dollars to leave. When Pricey refused
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Speaker 1: to give her anything, she got a video camera and
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Speaker 1: filmed the first aid kids he'd stolen from work.
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Speaker 13: Catherine said to me, I got him good and proper now.
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Speaker 13: And I said, what do you mean? And she said,
27:51
Speaker 13: I taped the stuff that he got from work he
27:54
Speaker 13: wasn't supposed to have. And she said, and I send
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Speaker 13: a video to his workplace into the cops, and that's fixed.
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Speaker 13: He's lost his job now. And I can remember thinking
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Speaker 13: at the time, oh my god, how could you do
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Speaker 13: that to anybody?
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Speaker 1: Pricey was forty three and unemployed. Catherine told her daughter
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Speaker 1: Natasha that if Pricey took her back this time, it
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Speaker 1: would be until death.
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Speaker 12: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I went back to her.
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Speaker 12: Maybe he just felt that he needed somebody.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Little did Pricy know that death would
28:31
Speaker 1: come sooner rather than later. Catherine Knight was furious when
28:38
Speaker 1: she videoed First Aid kits her partner had stolen from work.
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Speaker 1: She sent the videos to his boss and the police.
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Speaker 1: John Price was sacked. No one could believe Pricey would
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Speaker 1: take Catherine back after a stunt like that, but he did.
28:57
Speaker 1: With her two younger children now at school, Catherine was
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Speaker 1: spending more time alone at home, watching her disturbing horror
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Speaker 1: movies and enjoying the death that surrounded her.
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Speaker 6: One of her favorite places was the lounge room in
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Speaker 6: her home. The lounge room was full of dead things.
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Speaker 6: It was full of skulls and skins and horns.
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Speaker 11: She'd have machetes and all your old farm working stuff,
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Speaker 11: like your little old push mullers and stuff. Well that'd
29:26
Speaker 11: be all hanging off the roof. She'd have like animal heads,
29:31
Speaker 11: stuff like animal heads, just all creepy country type of stuff.
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Speaker 5: Catherine's been obsessed with death since she was as young
29:43
Speaker 5: as four or five. She keeps the trophies of dead
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Speaker 5: animals around her, partly because she finds death attractive. The
29:50
Speaker 5: way some of us would view art. But she also
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Speaker 5: loves the way these corpses creep others out. They make
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Speaker 5: people more scared of her. Catherine also watches sadistic movies
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Speaker 5: as though there were pornography. These movies enrich her violent
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Speaker 5: fantasy life.
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Speaker 1: It was late nineteen ninety nine and forty four year
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Speaker 1: old Catherine was desperately trying to hold onto her man
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Speaker 1: while he was desperately trying to get away from her.
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Speaker 3: Deep down, I think that he knew. He knew what
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Speaker 3: was going to happen. He knew because on him, it
30:27
Speaker 3: was going to be somebody else.
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Speaker 1: The last few days of Pricey's life were building to
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Speaker 1: a grizzly climax. On the Sunday before his death, the
30:38
Speaker 1: couple had a massive fight, which resulted in a visit
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Speaker 1: from the police. On Monday, Pricey went to work and
30:47
Speaker 1: for the first time, he showed two colleagues where Catherine
30:50
Speaker 1: had previously stabbed him.
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Speaker 12: He went back to work on the Tuesday and said
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Speaker 12: to his boss, I've got to go to the courthouse
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Speaker 12: and the police station so that they can do to
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Speaker 12: keep this crazy bitch away from me.
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Speaker 1: The news wasn't good. Pricey was told he'd have to
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Speaker 1: wait three weeks to go to court. He thought he'd
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Speaker 1: probably be dead by then, but had no idea he
31:10
Speaker 1: was already halfway through the last day of his life.
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Speaker 1: Workmates pleaded with him not to stay at home that.
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Speaker 12: Night, and he said, I've got to go home because
31:23
Speaker 12: if I don't, she's going to go after Mayo my kids,
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Speaker 12: and I'd sit her, get me the my kids and she.
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Speaker 1: While Pricey was busy trying to get help, Catherine was
31:34
Speaker 1: playing out her fantasy. She bought a sexy Black nightety
31:39
Speaker 1: and then went to Natasha's place to make a final
31:41
Speaker 1: family video. On the videos, she's kissing and tugging her
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Speaker 1: children and making statements that could be perceived to be
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Speaker 1: her last will and testament, don't forget that old Caine
31:56
Speaker 1: pram that Mama owned, I own you own. She arrived
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Speaker 1: at Saintantrew's Street around eleven thirty pm. Price he was asleep.
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Speaker 1: She watched some TV, had a shower, put on the
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Speaker 1: new Black ninety, and went to bed. They had sex,
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Speaker 1: and then she struck. Price's workmates were immediately worried when
32:23
Speaker 1: he didn't show up the next day.
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Speaker 4: John Price was a person who was always the first
32:28
Speaker 4: to arrive at work. That's why the consumer was raised.
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Speaker 4: Concerns were raised very early by his workmates.
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Speaker 12: Apparently, let us kept bringing and ringing and ringing.
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Speaker 1: There's no answer, so they all.
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Speaker 12: Prove on it.
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Speaker 2: Price had predicted his death.
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Speaker 6: He'd run around town for days, trying to get help
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Speaker 6: from magistrates and police and neighbors.
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Speaker 2: But nobody took him seriously enough. Unfortunately, police were cold.
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Speaker 1: The crowd of concerned locals gathered outside eighty four Saint
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Speaker 1: Andrew's Strait. When police forced their way into the house,
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Speaker 1: they found Catherine Knight asleep on the bed. She had
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Speaker 1: swallowed a number of pels and was out of it.
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Speaker 12: A good friend of mine, she said, she was there
33:18
Speaker 12: the morning they brought her out. She said, Rosie, I
33:20
Speaker 12: don't care what anybody says. She walked out of that
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Speaker 12: house as sad as you and I.
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Speaker 1: She said.
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Speaker 3: The only one she looked at was my brother.
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Speaker 12: She said, she just had a grin on her face,
33:28
Speaker 12: and my brother just dropped to his knees.
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Speaker 1: When Detective Sergeant Bob Wells arrived at the scene, Catherine
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Speaker 1: Knight was being taken away in an ambulance.
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Speaker 4: I initially spoke with the duty officer at the time,
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Speaker 4: who briefed me basically of what he'd witnessed inside their premises.
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Speaker 4: I then went into the house and it was just
33:50
Speaker 4: totally horrific and it was a shock to everybody that
33:53
Speaker 4: had anything to do with that particular crime scene. I
33:56
Speaker 4: just couldn't believe that one human being, either male or female,
34:00
Speaker 4: with how species, could carry out such a calculated a
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Speaker 4: fence or.
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Speaker 1: Catherine Knight stabbed John Price thirty seven times before skinning,
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Speaker 1: beheading and further mutilating his corpse. She then cooked parts
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Speaker 1: of his body, including his head. She'd prepared two plates
34:30
Speaker 1: for his children. The meals consisted of human meat and vegetables.
34:37
Speaker 4: There was a note beside each plate was writing on
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Speaker 4: it with the names.
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Speaker 2: John and Beck.
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Speaker 12: She didn't let me one apparently she'd actually put knives
34:51
Speaker 12: through their photos.
34:52
Speaker 3: Left mine alone.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, she's left a couple of notes to my brother myself.
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Speaker 11: It was more or less along the lines of if
35:04
Speaker 11: I can't have your father, nobody else will have him either.
35:08
Speaker 1: It didn't take long for the unfathomable news to spread.
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Speaker 7: It came over the radio that a lady from Aberdeen
35:15
Speaker 7: had killed her husband and I just looked at my
35:19
Speaker 7: husband and I said, you know that that would have
35:21
Speaker 7: to be my sister in law.
35:22
Speaker 3: It couldn't be anybody else. It would have to be Kathy.
35:26
Speaker 3: And my husband.
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Speaker 7: Said, you know, Sandy, You've said a lot of things
35:29
Speaker 7: about her over the years, but I don't think she's
35:31
Speaker 7: that crazy. And then it came over the news only
35:35
Speaker 7: hours later that.
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Speaker 3: It was Kathy. And it was no surprise to me.
35:39
Speaker 3: It was no surprise to any of our family.
35:42
Speaker 1: The police had the dreadful task of informing Price's family.
35:47
Speaker 1: They spoke to his son Jonathan, but no one knew
35:50
Speaker 1: how to tell fourteen year old Rebecca she read the
35:54
Speaker 1: horrendous details in a newspaper.
35:58
Speaker 3: I just asked my mum if it was true.
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Speaker 13: She said yes.
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Speaker 11: I just laid on the floor for about three hours
36:03
Speaker 11: and couldn't move. I was just so sick, sick, that's you.
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Speaker 1: I was just so sick.
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Speaker 3: That's wonder woman. I just couldn't believe it.
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Speaker 1: For the next six days, Catherine was at Musselbrook and
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Speaker 1: Maitland hospitals. She claimed to have no knowledge of the
36:20
Speaker 1: monstrous crime she had committed, but two things would lead
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Speaker 1: to her undoing greed, and the testimony from one of
36:29
Speaker 1: those closest to her. Catherine Knight stabbed her lover thirty
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Speaker 1: seven times. She skinned, beheaded and cooked parts of him.
36:44
Speaker 1: She then took some pills to make it look like
36:46
Speaker 1: she tried to take her own life. Detective Sergeant Bob
36:51
Speaker 1: Wells first interviewed Katherine at Maitland Hospital just a few
36:55
Speaker 1: days after the murder.
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Speaker 4: You recall price Boom in the bed.
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Speaker 3: I can't remember anything, do you call yourself?
37:03
Speaker 2: Gained a bit.
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Speaker 3: Faintly.
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Speaker 1: Although she claims to have no memory of the Knight
37:12
Speaker 1: of Pricey's death, she did remember stabbing him six months earlier.
37:18
Speaker 10: When Surprise he got off the phone. He started on
37:21
Speaker 10: me and I was around washing up, and I could
37:26
Speaker 10: have been a fork, a spoon or anything in my hand.
37:28
Speaker 10: It was a knife that cut your meal with and
37:31
Speaker 10: I aimed at ad him and it got him. He
37:35
Speaker 10: was leaning closer than what I thought, and my eyesight
37:40
Speaker 10: was bad at that time. I Bonny had new glasses.
37:42
Speaker 10: Since then, you.
37:45
Speaker 6: Had this notion that Cassin Knight might have been the
37:46
Speaker 6: most evil woman to ever walk the planet. You didn't
37:49
Speaker 6: want to walk into the same room as it. You
37:50
Speaker 6: didn't want to set eyes on her. But what was
37:53
Speaker 6: most surprising was when you did see her, just how
37:57
Speaker 6: terribly ordinary she looked. She could have been a librarian.
38:00
Speaker 6: If you walked past her in the supermarket, you wouldn't
38:02
Speaker 6: have thought twice of it. She was a very ordinary
38:05
Speaker 6: looking woman. They showed the video of the crime scene
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Speaker 6: in court and it's perhaps the most horrific video you.
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Speaker 2: Would ever wish to see.
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Speaker 6: It's just unimaginable what the police saw that day.
38:19
Speaker 2: And what was recorded on that video. The skin looked like.
38:25
Speaker 6: A wet suit. It took you a while to work
38:27
Speaker 6: out what it was. It was hanging on a butcher's
38:29
Speaker 6: hook in the doorway. It had all come off in
38:32
Speaker 6: one piece. Probably the worst bit of the video was
38:35
Speaker 6: when they went to the stove in the kitchen and
38:38
Speaker 6: you see the gloved hand of a forensic policeman take
38:41
Speaker 6: the lid off the pot on top of the stove,
38:43
Speaker 6: and inside its Price's head staring back up at the camera.
38:49
Speaker 3: That to me is Kathy showing her ultimate power.
38:56
Speaker 4: I've stuffered a nervous breakdown in relation to.
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Speaker 2: My involvement in this manner.
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Speaker 4: I know that it had a huge impact on the
39:06
Speaker 4: officers that day. Although Catherine had displayed this bizarre behavior
39:12
Speaker 4: committed this absolutely shocking and horrific crime that through the
39:18
Speaker 4: tests that they Psychitris carried out, they believed that she
39:21
Speaker 4: was not suffering from any form of mental illness.
39:26
Speaker 1: Further evidence to support she was of sound mind was
39:29
Speaker 1: discovered by John Price's solicitor, who noticed money had been
39:33
Speaker 1: withdrawn from Price's account. The night he was killed.
39:38
Speaker 4: Catherine had gone and driven some substantial distance to the
39:41
Speaker 4: Tangi with Musselbrook, where she withdrew a thousand dollars from
39:47
Speaker 4: John Price's bank account by way of using his coup
39:53
Speaker 4: card and then after all that, returning to the crime scene,
40:01
Speaker 4: just trying.
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Speaker 12: To play insanity. And she told her brother that she's
40:04
Speaker 12: going to kill Pricing. She said, I'm going to kill him,
40:06
Speaker 12: and she said, I'm going to get away with it.
40:08
Speaker 12: She said, I'm going to do it in the way
40:09
Speaker 12: to make him think that I'm crazy. And her brother
40:14
Speaker 12: had actually made a statement against her about her, saying
40:18
Speaker 12: that she told him three weeks before she murdered.
40:23
Speaker 7: Dud David rang me and he said, you know, she's
40:29
Speaker 7: finally done it, And I said, and how do you
40:31
Speaker 7: feel about that? He said Sandy, I just cannot believe.
40:36
Speaker 3: That it was not me.
40:39
Speaker 1: On the eighteenth of October two thousand and one, Catherine
40:43
Speaker 1: Knight pleaded guilty to murdering John Price. She was sentenced
40:47
Speaker 1: to life imprisonment.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 12: For some reason, I just can't seem to hate her.
40:53
Speaker 12: I can't feel the hate. But a lot of my
40:56
Speaker 12: friends I've always said to me, that's a good thing.
41:00
Speaker 12: That's a lot of my dad and soy because Dad
41:03
Speaker 12: was how Dad was, he was, he didn't have anybody,
41:06
Speaker 12: and he used to say to me, babe, just be happy,
41:08
Speaker 12: just be happy, Just be happy.
41:13
Speaker 13: I can remember asking her sister Joy had she been
41:17
Speaker 13: to see Catherine, and I think at that point in
41:21
Speaker 13: time she'd been twice. But Catherine had said to her
41:24
Speaker 13: that she didn't want visitors and that she was happy
41:28
Speaker 13: where she was because she felt safe.
41:30
Speaker 4: Now I didn't attempt to visit Catherine Knight in prison.
41:35
Speaker 2: Night.
41:37
Speaker 4: I've spent most of my time through treatment trying to
41:46
Speaker 4: forget about the actions of Catherine Knight. Basically, with all of.
41:51
Speaker 6: The partners that survived Catherine Knight, whenever I sat down to.
41:54
Speaker 2: Talk to them, here were tough men, you know.
41:56
Speaker 6: Colised hands, cigarettes, rough faces, rough talking.
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Speaker 2: All three, at one.
42:02
Speaker 6: Stage or another person of tears as they described the
42:04
Speaker 6: violence they suffered at her hands. They were genuine victims
42:09
Speaker 6: of domestic violence. No matter how hard they're outer shell.
42:13
Speaker 6: They were rattled by what Catherine had done to them,
42:15
Speaker 6: and they remained rattled for decades later.
42:19
Speaker 5: So could it be possible that Catherine Knight was sane
42:22
Speaker 5: when she committed this murder? How could someone in their
42:25
Speaker 5: right mind do something so completely deranged? Well, the fact
42:30
Speaker 5: is that Catherine was not insane when she butchered John Price.
42:34
Speaker 5: She planned what she was doing, she knew right from wrong,
42:37
Speaker 5: and there were no voices telling her to kill him.
42:40
Speaker 5: She was coldly lucid throughout the murder and dismemberment. And
42:45
Speaker 5: not only was she in her right mind, she was
42:47
Speaker 5: having one of the best times of her life.
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Speaker 2: So if she's not.
42:51
Speaker 5: Mad, is Catherine just bad? Is she some kind of
42:54
Speaker 5: evil monster completely alien to the rest of us? Catherine
42:59
Speaker 5: Knight's person is best summed up in one word psychopath.
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Speaker 5: She's ruthless, self serving, incapable of feeling guilt, and dangerous
43:09
Speaker 5: until the day she dies.
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Speaker 2: For the first time. The real story behind Australia is notorious.
43:29
Speaker 2: Mister Asia.
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Speaker 3: He was a vicious little bugger.
43:31
Speaker 2: How he got beautiful young women under his spell?
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Speaker 3: He hit something about him that people were attracted.
43:37
Speaker 2: To the corps he had under his day.
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Speaker 4: The New South Wales and the Queensland place for a Hamburg.
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