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164. [South Carolina] The Murder of Judy Baldwin · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Out of South Carolina. So on December fourteenth, twenty sixteen,
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  Speaker 1: in Chester, South Carolina. Yes, Stuart, that's the mail. Is
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  Speaker 1: that your mail? No?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: Well. Did you just turn your iPad on?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Okay? So on December fourteen, twenty sixteen, silent, Stewart, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: South Carolina, Carolina Wow in Chester, South Carolina. Just before midnight,
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  Speaker 1: a call comes into nine on one. Jamie Baldwin calls
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  Speaker 1: into report that he had been in an accident with
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  Speaker 1: his wife and him and his wife they were driving
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  Speaker 1: in their jeep Wrangler, was a It was like a
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  Speaker 1: newer jeep wrangler, like the newer kind, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: fancier kind, not the kind we have. Yes, that's my mail.
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  Speaker 1: I guess it's coming in. Oh my computer was shut down.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry guys, it'll end here pretty soon. Anyways. So they're
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  Speaker 1: driving in their jeep Wrangler and they had run off
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  Speaker 1: of a bridge. He tells nine to one that his
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  Speaker 1: wife is severely injured. She had been thrown from the vehicle,
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  Speaker 1: and while on the nine one call, he says, he's
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  Speaker 1: like so upset because his wife is over there bleeding.
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  Speaker 1: He was okay obviously to get out, but she had
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  Speaker 1: been It appeared she had been thrown from the vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: Police an ambulance arrival on the scene and the jeep
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  Speaker 1: is over the side of the bridge. While Jamie is
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  Speaker 1: standing on top of the bridge, he tells him that
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  Speaker 1: his wife is dead. Now while investigating the scene. Initially,
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  Speaker 1: it appears that Judy had been thrown from the vehicle
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  Speaker 1: and those injuries caused her death. She was found lying
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  Speaker 1: perfectly parallel to the creek below. Now, when looking at
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  Speaker 1: the area where they were driving, it all matches up
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  Speaker 1: with what he's saying. You know, the road was curvy,
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  Speaker 1: it was dark outside, so you could easily miss.
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  Speaker 2: It and just go right off.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he says. When speaking to police, Jamie says
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  Speaker 1: that he comes around the curve and that's when he
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  Speaker 1: sees headlights like coming on his side of the road,
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  Speaker 1: like someone had crossed over on the curve and went
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  Speaker 1: into their lane. So that's when he tried to He
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  Speaker 1: swerved to miss the oncoming truck, and that's when he
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  Speaker 1: flew off the bridge. He said he was going around
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  Speaker 1: sixty miles per hour at the time, but he never
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  Speaker 1: put on his break. He said he was his main
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  Speaker 1: focus was just trying to like not stop because that's
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  Speaker 1: not gonna help, but swerve.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, So when Jamie is recounting his story, he said
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  Speaker 1: that he hit his head pretty hard, so he passes out.
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  Speaker 1: He said he he must have hit his head, He
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  Speaker 1: must have passed out. When he comes to he is
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  Speaker 1: trying to locate Judy, thinking she's in the passenger seat.
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  Speaker 1: Still he can't find her there, so it took him.
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  Speaker 1: Takes him a little bit because he's got to go
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  Speaker 1: down here and like look around in the dark. He
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  Speaker 1: finally finds her and he knew she was in really
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  Speaker 1: bad shape, and so he decided he knew CPR, so
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  Speaker 1: he starts doing CPR, and then whenever he called nine
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  Speaker 1: to one, he's already When they asked him to do CPR,
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  Speaker 1: he said, I've already tried, and she's not being revived.
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  Speaker 2: It's looking not responding well to it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was familiar with what he was looking
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  Speaker 1: at because he was a former nine one one dispatcher
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  Speaker 1: and he was a former police officer, so he was
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  Speaker 1: well trained in what to do in an emergency situation.
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  Speaker 2: Does he's a first responder?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Now at this point, they have Jamie's statement at the scene,
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  Speaker 2: so they take him to the hospital to treat his
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  Speaker 2: injuries while the State Highway Patrol investigates the crash scene.
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  Speaker 2: They begin by looking into the injuries to Judy's body.
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  Speaker 2: Judy had quite a few bruises all over her as
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  Speaker 2: well as several injuries to her head, including a laceration
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  Speaker 2: behind her ear and one across her forehead. When looking
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  Speaker 2: at the scene, though supposedly Judy was thrown from the vehicle,
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  Speaker 2: and that's when they assume most of our injuries had
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  Speaker 2: occurred and that all the blood, all Judy's blood, would
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  Speaker 2: have been outside the vehicle. However, there was signs that
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  Speaker 2: while there weren't signs, Judy's blood was all over the
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  Speaker 2: passenger side of the vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all over the head like headrest, where it was
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  Speaker 1: clear there was some sort of injury inside the vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: Whenever they would have expected based on what Jamie said,
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  Speaker 1: they would have expected all the blood to be I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there might have been a few little scratches, but not
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  Speaker 1: the pools of blood on the head wrist.
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  Speaker 2: No, because she supposedly she died when she was not
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  Speaker 2: wearing her seat belt and got ejected from the vehicle
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  Speaker 2: during the crash. So police are like, hey, there's been
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  Speaker 2: a lot of bleeding in here before she was ejected
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  Speaker 2: from the vehicle. So we need to go speak to
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  Speaker 2: Jamie again. Now he's at the hospital, and he tells
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  Speaker 2: them that the reason there's but in the car was
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  Speaker 2: because they were actually headed to the hospital when they
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  Speaker 2: had the crash, which.
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  Speaker 1: To me seems like a something big detail.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know drank. Yeah, we were hurrying and then
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  Speaker 2: this time my.
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  Speaker 1: Wife had injured herself at the home. We were in
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  Speaker 1: a rush and this happened.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like, yeah, kind of buried to lead
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  Speaker 2: there Jamie.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So now the investigate edders need to get the story
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  Speaker 2: straight as to what happened prior to the crash to
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  Speaker 2: cause the injuries to Judy. Jamie tells officers that Judy
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  Speaker 2: had fallen at the house and that these injuries were
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  Speaker 2: a result of that fall, and then he got her
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  Speaker 2: in the jeep and they headed to the hospital, which.
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  Speaker 1: Would explain the you know, blood in the car. So
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  Speaker 1: they have Jamie at the hospital. He is being treated.
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  Speaker 1: He has no real serious injuries in the car accidents.
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  Speaker 1: So investigators are starting to between him not telling them
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  Speaker 1: that she was injured prior to getting in the vehicle
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  Speaker 1: and that's why they were heading there, and then him
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  Speaker 1: now having basically no injuries severe injuries. I don't even
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  Speaker 1: think they found a severe like head wound that would
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  Speaker 1: cause you to pass out or anything. That anyways, there's
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  Speaker 1: some there's some red flags going on, so they need
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  Speaker 1: to do their due diligence. Unlike that case that Ellen
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  Speaker 1: Greenberg Apartment six O three.
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  Speaker 2: They need to do their gory.
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  Speaker 1: No, they needed this whole time I was doing this case,
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  Speaker 1: like right in this case, kept thinking about it. I'm like, okay, well.
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  Speaker 2: This is what you They could have taken his word
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  Speaker 2: for it.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, they could have just taken his word for it
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  Speaker 1: and moved on. I mean, you'll see there's some problems here.
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  Speaker 1: But they are like looking into us. They're like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: there's some red flags and they need to look into
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  Speaker 1: this more. They bring Jamie back into the or they
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  Speaker 1: bring him to the police station, this time for him
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  Speaker 1: to go over all the events of that evening again.
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  Speaker 1: He said that it was a normal day that they
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  Speaker 1: went and they picked up dinner around seven thirty. I
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  Speaker 1: said that was normally that was pretty late for them,
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  Speaker 1: but they had work that evening, so it caused them delayed.
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  Speaker 1: So they were eating dinner a little bit later than usual,
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  Speaker 1: Jamie said, since it was almost Christmas, because remember it
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  Speaker 1: was December fourteenth, Judy had decided to put up a
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  Speaker 1: few additional decorations, add a few more things to the tree,
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  Speaker 1: get it festive for family. Christmas coming up, well, Jamie.
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  Speaker 1: He was heading out the next morning to Kentucky. He
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  Speaker 1: was doing something like he was taking some Christmas presents
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  Speaker 1: to some family men over there, maybe seeing some other
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  Speaker 1: grandkids or something like that. Because we'll learn that there.
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  Speaker 1: This is the second marriage for the two. So anyways,
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  Speaker 1: so he's that's what he was busy doing. Why Judy's
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  Speaker 1: putting up these decorations. Dodge that pull it, I guess, yes,
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  Speaker 1: Stull will not be so lucky. Dodge the Christmas decorating.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I will.
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  Speaker 1: No, you won't.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure how yet, but I'm sure I will.
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  Speaker 1: No, because I believe in a real Christmas tree. I
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  Speaker 1: will not. I will. Although I am I have to say,
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  Speaker 1: I am embracing November. I hurried up and put Halloween
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  Speaker 1: decorations up too soon, and by the time Halloween got here,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm over it, you know, So I
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  Speaker 1: am learning restraint. I am not putting up I always
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  Speaker 1: put the Christmas tree up the day after Thanksgiving, has
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  Speaker 1: always been it. And this year I was a little
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  Speaker 1: tempted to just.
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  Speaker 2: Go full right off Halloween.
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  Speaker 1: November first, let's let's get and let's put the stuff. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna do the tree because I believe in
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  Speaker 1: a real Christmas tree, so I like to go. It's
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  Speaker 1: it kind of sucks because they're getting more and more expensive,
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  Speaker 1: but I like to go. We like to have hot chocolate,
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  Speaker 1: go pick out a Christmas tree. We try to go
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  Speaker 1: to like a local like Christmas tree lot, but sometimes
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  Speaker 1: the budget don't don't have it end up at lows
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  Speaker 1: or sometimes Walmart Walls supper Cheap, but either way we
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  Speaker 1: go with the real Christmas tree. But I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: embrace November and look at it as the the like
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  Speaker 1: a like the harvest month. Like, let's still embrace fall activities.
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  Speaker 1: Let's let's make a beef stew, let's drink tea. Why
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  Speaker 1: do you say why? Because I said beef and stew.
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  Speaker 1: You'll need to gobble up that beef stew. Well, anyways,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, let's embrace, let's read books, Let's go to
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  Speaker 1: bed early, it's gets dark, get at six o'clock now. Anyways,
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  Speaker 1: So that's sorry, that was my sidetrack.
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  Speaker 2: But well last year we went to Europe, so well, my.
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  Speaker 1: Other option is to just forego all.
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  Speaker 2: Things Thanksgiving, jump on a plane.
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  Speaker 1: Lead Well, because I had talked about us be doing
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  Speaker 1: Thanksgiving bur like travel time where we go on a
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  Speaker 1: big trip or something, because it's the perfect thing for work,
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  Speaker 1: because you can take off like five you can take
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  Speaker 1: off five days, but get like twelve days.
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  Speaker 2: And everybody likes their families is at their house.
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  Speaker 1: Well yeah, because it's actually cheaper. The flights are very
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  Speaker 1: most expensive at Thanksgiving time domestically, but if you fly internationally,
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  Speaker 1: it's a lot cheaper and things are less crowded. Anyways,
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  Speaker 1: pro tip, pro tip. So anyways, Stu will not be
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  Speaker 1: getting out of putting up decorations, so because he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: like how I put the lights on the tree, so
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  Speaker 1: therefore he takes over. This is true, So I intentionally
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  Speaker 1: it's I'm weaponized in competence. I'm taking a queue from
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  Speaker 1: the lesson from the men in the world and doing
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  Speaker 1: weaponized and comp and I'm doing a poor job on
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  Speaker 1: the lights. Stude takes over.
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  Speaker 2: Bushes were good the trash.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, see I just learned from watching Men. All right,
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  Speaker 1: So Judy is putting up the decorations while Jamie is upstairs.
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  Speaker 1: He is packing for his trip. He said. He then
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  Speaker 1: went to go put a few tools away in the garage,
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  Speaker 1: just finished tidying up, and this is when he walks
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  Speaker 1: back into the home and he finds Judy on the
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  Speaker 1: floor on her hands and knees, clearly in distress. He
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: said that he helped her to the bathroom and she
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  Speaker 1: was breeding bleeding pretty profusely from the head, because you know,
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  Speaker 1: a head injury. Those suckers bleed, yeah, like a murder thing.
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  Speaker 1: So they cleaned her up and he told her, like,
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  Speaker 1: this is not like you're not She was trying to
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  Speaker 1: like brush it off. She's like, this is not okay.
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  Speaker 1: We need to take you to the hospital because it
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  Speaker 1: looks like you're gonna need some some stitches. So so
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  Speaker 1: he said that they loaded up to go to the hospital,
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  Speaker 1: but she insisted on not going to the closest hospital,
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  Speaker 1: which was Chester Hospital, which was two miles away. She
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: wanted to go to Piedmont Hospital, which was about thirty
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: miles away. So they got in the car and headed
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: that way, and that's when they had the car crashed.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: He said something. He said that she just didn't she
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: hated the Chester hospital and she wasn't going to.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Go there for treatment, not even abandoned.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see this. We had such a bad
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: experience with labor and delivery.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: At the Blast Hospital.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that I could see myself. It's not that bad.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: But if you're bleeding pretty profusal from your head, it's
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: kind of like, we just got to get to the
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: nearest hospital. But he says that she insisted on going
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: to this hospital that's pretty far away, and it would
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: have been dark and everything, like at night, so that
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: is quite the journey.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Now investigators have an additional scene that the need to process,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: so they're probably like, great, we got to work overtime now.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: So they head over to Jamie's house and they want
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: to see if everything lines up with the story that
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: he's telling. They head to their home and upon entering,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: they do see the step ladder near the tree where
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: she supposedly fell from, and then they also see blood
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: on the fireplace. Mental Now, it was the Chester County
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Sheriff's Department that processed the scene. They took a few photos,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: pretty much wrapped up the investigation based on what Jamie
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: had told them.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: They're more like the was it Philadelphia Police Department? Yeah, okay,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Ellen brother like that. That's what he said.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Good good, But there were concerns of conflict that interest
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: due to the fact that Jamie had retired from the
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: sheriff's apartment. The family, in particular of Judy was starting
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: to have questions because they really didn't understand why Jamie
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: would take her to the further away hospital if she
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: was bleeding that bed. He is a first responder. If
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: he said it's that bad, you know, it's like you're
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: really drive an extra thirty miles, which could be forty
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: five minutes to.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, based on how much she was bleeding in
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: the because it's not like it didn't seem like the
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: wound was under control, based on the amount of blood
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: on the head rest, because she had the big laceration
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: on the behind her ear and then on her forehead.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: So the one behind her ear was bleeding enough to
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: like soak all the way into the headrest of the jeep.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: That was like a darkish gray, blackish color and you
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: could see like bright red blood, meaning it soaked it
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: up plus started you know, uh, piling up. That's not
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: the word pulling, pooling too enough where it looked you
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: could it wouldn't just look like a wet you know,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: like if it's initially just bleeding a little bit, it
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: might just look like it might look black where it
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: got wet or whatever. But if it's bleeding enough to
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: soak all the way up to where it's pulling and
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: showing red, that's pretty bad.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Well. See. I Also they're saying they don't understand why
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: he can go to the one that was two miles away,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: which I don't understand why he's not applying pressure and
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: waiting for the ambulance to show up. Okay, the hospital
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: two miles away. We all have the story about her
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Judy hating the Chester hospital that was right there close
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: to them. Was not adding up to the family or
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: the investigators.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Well some of the investigators, remember the Chester County.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Sheriff Sheriff's apartment is like cool, but like.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: The state police were the part ones on.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: The scene while you were here. We'll cover your stuff.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: We won't ask any questions about yours.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Another thing that was a red flag to the family
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: is Judy's son, who she was very close to, actually
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: lived across the street, and he found it very odd
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: that they didn't call him and asked him to come
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: help or apply pressure why they drove Judy to the
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: furthest Away hospital.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Now we're going to have to go to North Carolina
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: to the hospital I like. On top of that, once
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Judy's autopsy was done, they determined that the injuries that
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: she would have sustained from a fall did not match
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: up with the injuries that were actually on our body.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: They also didn't line up with being thrown from a vehicle.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: In the end, Judy's cause of death was severe brain trauma.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: The medical examiner in the end gave an unknown cause
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: of death because I.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Think I couldn't remember one's a cause, so the she
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: definitely died from the brain injury, and I think that's
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: the cause. I think the manner is where they don't know.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Ye, it wasn't accidental, but they couldn't quite say it
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: was homicide.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Well, they say unknown, which is all that the people
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: in the Ellen Greenberg case wanted because if they put
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: it as unknown, then they have to keep investigating it.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: They don't have to say, yes, it was definitely a
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: homicide or yes it was definitely an accident. If you
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: put unknown, that at least makes them have to look
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: into it further, which is what they should have done
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: in that Ellen Greenberg, they shouldn't have just put suicide.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: They should have put unknown at least.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Well Judy was listed as an unknown because they knew
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: for sure her wounds were not caused by accident.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Well they didn't.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: The story from what happened from the vehicle ejections or falling.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Things aren't lining up with what was told.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Can't They can't prove it's a homicide. Yes, so they
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: have to go. So they're gonna go with unknown. And
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: that's where we're at in the story of Kara.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: All right, So due to the medical examiners having you know,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: this is this is a small town? Is he I
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: think he was a corner maybe not a medical examiner.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I think there's a difference. I don't know if one
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: is not.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I think a medical examiner is elected and a corner
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: is hired.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, anyways, is a small town? Bro Zinski has
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: not seen that much. So, like, let's get a.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Usually all people from the nursing home just expiring.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: And sometimes I think in those towns it's a lot
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: of those small areas, it's like a retired doctor, but
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: he's not necessarily like it's not like you're in a
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: big city where you see dead people come in all
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: the time, and that you have to figure out what
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: happened to them because they're all being like murdered in
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: different ways, you know, so not like those people in Philadelphia.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: That medical examiner shouldn't know better, all right. So they
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: bring in this renowned medical examiner from the area, and
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: she didn't agree with the story, like Jamie was saying,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: She's on the same page with the medical examiner in
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the county. She's saying, I don't know, these injuries don't
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: line up with what Jamie is telling her telling her
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: she also wanted additional information to be able to put
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: down a cause of death a manner of death. I
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: don't know which one it was, Okay, I think manner is.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Maybe how the cause happened.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Maybe it is cause of death is the manner of death.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Maybe you should look this up before you get on
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: the podcast.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Anyways, cause slash the cause slash, manner of death. However,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: the sheriff's department, so she said, so again, it's kind
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: of like the Ellen Greenberg. She's like, hey, I need
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: more information. Did you write the story down wrong? Did
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Jamie's account? Was it wrong? And maybe this was still
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: an accident. Maybe he just said it wrong, or he
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: didn't get all the facts straight, or you guys didn't. Well,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: they won't help her because that Chester County Sheriff's apartment's like,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: whoa bitch, we already closed this game. Our buddy, Jamie.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Is we gotta, we gotta, we got a department barbecue
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: this weekend.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we got the we gotta, we got things. So
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: they're not providing any additional information. They won't go and
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: talk to Jamie again. They were like they were just
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: stonewalling her, saying, hey, this case is closed. I have
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: no idea what you're talking about. Where we're done with this.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: So she can't she can't progress her investigation to name
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: a manner of death without more information from some sort
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: of legal or some sort of uh, what is it?
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: What's not legal authority? What's the police department?
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Law enforcement?
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Law enforcement?
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Wow?
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: You just yes, Well, the county prosecutor did look at
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: at this case, and she was also receiving like a
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: lack of information from the Sheriff's department, and so she's like,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: fuck you guys, and she brings in Sledge, which is
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: the South State Law Enforcement Division in South Carolina. They
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: call it SLED.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because they're going to come in, they're going to
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: oversee an investigation.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: They're going to be independent and yeah they have no ties.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they have no ties, and they'll come and investigate
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: a law enforcement agency if they believe there's corruption or whatever.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: So they kind of like oversee.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Well they can come in, but they can still they
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: can still.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Be well, they can come in, they can do investigations
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: and murders.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: And then say suggest to the prosecutor, Hey, this is
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: definitely and then push try to push that local either
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: sheriff's department or police departments.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Mean like hey, well yeah, and if they find some
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: mouth eeas that's going on, they can investigate that department
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: as well. Yes, now SLED looks into the evidence, and
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: they're also suspicious of Jamie's recall of events and inconsistencies.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: It's a nice way of putting I think he's lying. However,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: there was still a stone wall from the Chester County
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: County Sheriff's Department about the investigation, saying it was closed
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: and it was just an unfortunate accident where the combined
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: injuries caused Judy's death. But things changed when a woman
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: named Terry called in the sheriff's apartment about her house
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: burning down. Terry was in the motorcycle club with Judy
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: and Jamie, and she started dating Jamie just a few
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: weeks after Judy passed away. She says that she believes
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Jamie set her house on fire after a very combative breakup.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: So he dates her for a couple of weeks after
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: his wife after his wife dies, and then he gets into.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: A argument with her about breaking up. Yeah, the next
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: thing you know, our house has been burned down.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Terry said that she told Jamie to take his toothbrush
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: and his extra drawers and get the he out of
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: her house, and that soon after she kicked him out
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: or refused to let him come back, her house was
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: set on fire. The difference between Terry's case and Judy's
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: case is that Terry lived in York County, next over
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: from Chester County. Therefore, the York County Sheriff's Department they
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: were like, hey, Slid, Yeah, you want to come in
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: and help assist with the investigation, Come on in.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, they were, because I do appreciate small sheriff's department
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: police departments that are like, hey, this isn't something we
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: deal with. We're small. We need help from somebody who
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: deals with a bunch of terrible things all the time
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and can help have a more sinister eye.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Well, also critically eye. SLED has a pile of money.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: They can come in with all their arson investigators and everything,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: and well, yes, they.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Have a level of expertise that you're not going to
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: get from a little tiny sheriff's apartment with five sheriff
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: with the sheriff and five deputies.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not going to get the volunteer York County
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Fire Department to come investigate arson. They're probably not as
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: learning whether his sled can be blowing down resources.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Well, investigators need to learn a little bit more about Judy.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: So now we've got this all tight end. So we
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: got Terry saying Jamie burnerhouse down, he's dating her a
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: couple weeks after Judy's dead. Now Jamie's looking a little suspicious.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: So now Sled and everybody's like, okay, let's look into
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: this relationship. So Judy was a single mom to two
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: boys when she met Jamie. Her first husband had died
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: in a motorcycle accident, and everyone said that they were
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: with her first hub. She was just like so in
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: love and everything that that what's funny is her first
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: husband died in a motorcycle accident. She was part of
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the motorcycle club too, I believe, and then she meets
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: somebody in a motors I'd be like, I ain't doing
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: this motorcycle thing no more, you know.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Then lost one person.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyways, so she was very in love with her
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: first husband. So this whole thing was very devastating to Judy.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: So at this point in her life, she is now
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: like a single widowed mother of two young sons, and
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: now she needs to be the primary provider. So she
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: starts her own cleaning business to makeens meet.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Her cleaning business she was doing more than Macon's meat.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: It actually turned into a really successful business and she
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: really loved it. So now she's got her sons who
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: she's very close with, she's got her cleaning business. But
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: something was missing, was because she was alone. And so
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: that's when she meets Jamie. Well, everyone was very happy
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: when she met Jamie. He seemed like a great guy.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: He was a former police officer, he'd retired from the
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: nine one one dispatch and they were very very happy together.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Like we said, they were in the motorcycle club together.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Both her sons were very happy with Jamie because their.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Mom, he was a father figure to them.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Well, no, they were older, I think whenever she finally
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: but they were just happy. They just wanted to see
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: their mom happy after all these years of putting in
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: all this hard work raising them, going through the loss
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: of their father everything, so things are going well. However,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: had been on the decline in the marriage as of late,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: and friends and family members noticed a change in their relationship.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Some were even concerned that Judy may have confronted Jamie
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: about leaving and then that's when things are looking you know,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: something could have happened to her. This is what's going
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: on in their head, Like could she have said, hey,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I want to get out and then he hurt her
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: or something in this car wreck. She never had They
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: never said she looked, she had any signs of abuse
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: prior to this. They're just saying that maybe that's what
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: could have possibly happened. Because whenever the investigators looked into
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: their finances, they found that Jamie was struggling with money
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: and he was heavily dependent on Judy's money from her
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: cleaning business, because I don't know how much you're making
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: as a NIH. One would dispatcher retireing unless you just
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: from the Chester County Sheriff's Department.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Now, I don't know what their pension program looks like.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they had a matching four one
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: k what the match was, if they only matched three,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: if they had a match at all.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: He looked like an abled body human though he should
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: have just went back to work, one would think instead
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: of taking his judy was still like cleaning and doing
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. I mean, Jesus. Anyways, they also found
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: out that he had taken out an accidental insurance policy
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: this summer before she died, and this was like not
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: an accident, he didn't accidentally take it out, meaning if
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: she died in an accident. This one specifically was for accidental.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Death accidental death and dismemberment, yes.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: And so it was odd to just bring out just
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: to sign up for that policy just before she six
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: months before she passed.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Away, which will not pay out in case of a
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: If you're trying to poison your your husband, you don't
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: want the accidental death and dismemoriment policy.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: I won't because it'll be because it needs to dine in
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: an accident. So you're trying to let me know what. Yes, okay.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: So with all the pressure from the finances of Jamie
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: and Judy and the home of Terry being burnt down
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: and Jamie being under suspicion, the Chester Sheriff's Department was
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: almost basically forced to reopen this case because it looked
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: like there were some concerning things around Jamie and Judy's relationship.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Definitely some concerning things with Jamie and Terry. Jamie's at
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: the center of it. They're like, well, fuck, we can't
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: help you out.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: No, you done dead it. Now you've done it.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Now down you went one two far. We were gonna
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: help you out with the Judy thing, but.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Stonewall.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: So the Chester Sheriff's Sheriff's Department they did bring in
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: sled at this point they're like, okay, well we still
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: can't handle this, so you guys come on in and
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: they begin investigating the crime as a potential homicide. However,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: would be an uphill battle because Jamie had around nine
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: months to clean up and cover up this crime. I mean,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: he didn't sit there and leave the the the little
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: step stool and the blood all over the mantle. He
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: cleaned everything up, cleaned everything out of their home.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Sleds started their investigation and found some critical inconsistencies in
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Jamie's story. One started with the crash sit that reviewed
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: the evidence, and it appeared that the tire marks and
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: the rate of speed that he said he was going.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Because remember he said he was going sixty miles per hour,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: So imagine what tire marks would do speeding off of
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: a bridge and hitting at that speed.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Going through the dirt, the rocks on the shoulder of
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: the road, and then going on the thing.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: It would be, uh, you're you're Basically they were saying
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: that the tire marks would have been more like if
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: you're when you're spinning out in a you're stuck or something,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: because they're just going that fast. Like it's not it's
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: not going to be these perfect like if you were
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: going at a slow speeded, you'd have these perfect tire imprints,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: not any type of rotation where the mud the mutter or.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you wouldn't be to you wouldn't be able to
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: see the tire treads.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: That cleared, like you might be able to see it,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: but it wouldn't be as clearly as it's not matching
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: up with the speed that you would expect at sixty
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: miles per hour. They're saying that the tire tracks did
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: not look like the tire tracks you would see at
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: that speed.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Now, so basically what they found, they found these perfect
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: tire tracks going on road, and they shouldn't have been
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: so clearly, like Kara was saying, visible in the muddy.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure they have with that kind of thing.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: They probably have pictures of what at different speeds, what
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: tire marks look like, and they hold up a picture
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: like this is what it should look like at sixty
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: miles for hour, and this is what should looked like
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: at about fifteen miles part.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Just like in my cousin Benny when they had the
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: tire tracks and they had the independent rear suspension.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so just like my cousin Finny. Yes, I'm
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: sure these guys were big fans growing up and that's
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: why they are living well.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Sled believes that it looks like the car the jeep
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: was parked on the side of the road and it
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: looks like Jamie just pushed it. Because to back up
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: their theory, they were able to obtain a black box
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: from the jeep.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, so if you're trying to do something sketchy. Apparently
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of these cars have the black box now,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: the newer ones, just like an airplane.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: I did not know that. I know we probably got
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: one in our van.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm sure anything, because this was twenty sixteen. It
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: looked like a newer Jeep Wrangler, like I said to
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: the more of the fancy Jeep Wranglers, and it had
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: a black box. It's not I don't think it's as
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: intricate as obviously like an airplane black box, but it
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: knows about emergency movements.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, the so, yes, they're able to get the black
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: box from the jeep. Found no indication of any type
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: of emergency movements, meaning slamming on the brake, swerving. Air
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: air bags are not deployed, and you.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Would expect all this stuff at sixty miles per hour.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: And he said he sworeve. He said he didn't slam
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: on the brakes, but he said he swerved.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Served out of way. What they're thinking is he was
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: going over. He wasn't going He wasn't going over fifteen
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: miles an hour or whenever. This supposed accident occurred.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Which if you can imagine pushing something down an embankment,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: that's probably about how fast it would go.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Depending on how to streat the embankment. Yeah. Now, on
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: top of that, there was no way for Judy to
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: have been ejected from the vehicle without someone opening the
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: door and letting her out. The vehicle never flipped over
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: and didn't have any types of movements that you would
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: see within an injection from the vehicle. There was no
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: broken windshield, so she didn't go out there, so the
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: only other way she could have gone is out the
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: passenger window somehow.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Well, ma, I was going to play devil's advocate here,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: possibly if she could have been confused and got herself
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: out of the vehicle and then stumbled and fell. But
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: the problem with it is the forensic evidence on her
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: autopsy don't match up with that either. So now, but
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that could have been in if he
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: didn't really do this, then that could have been because
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: he supposedly was passed out of there, so she could
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: have got been dazed and stumbled out. But I think
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: they looked at the I think with that they kind
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: of rolled that out. I know that. I remember them
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: saying that they did something with the passengers and there
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: should have been blood or something like fingerprints because she
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: had so much blood on her nice if she had
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: let herself out.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Yes. The next day, Sled looked that evidence at the
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: home where Judy had supposedly fallen off the ladder. She
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: was supposedly standing on a step ladder that was only
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: fifty one inches tall, and based on the height of
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: the mantle and where the where her one of her
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: injuries were on her head, it would have been near
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: impossible for her to sustain that type of injury.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: And they did have those Chester Chriff's apartment did go
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: in there and take pictures, so you do have pictures
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: of the exact step ladder he said that she was on.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: So they are able to get those types of This
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: is why there's hope for the Ellen Greenberg case. They
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: were able to figure this stuff out from old evidence.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Problem with the Ellen Greenberg case they didn't treat it
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: as any type of They at least looked into it
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: a little bit. That gave them some evidence. Ellen Greenberg,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: they just like took a couple of pictures and left like.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: There was ro Down's step, yeah, and walked out the
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: door on top of that.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Getting back to our story, care, I know I can't
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: let it goes.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Do, No, you cannot. There was blood splatder batter that
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: was ten feet the wall.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: That's what it's been going on for years. Yes, do
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: telling me it's spatter, and I still write.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Splatter every time, and like a dummy, I read it.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: So the blood spatters ten feet up the wall toward
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: the ceiling, and based on this supposed fall that she
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: had taken, this would have never this blood spatter would
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: have never gone up the wall like that.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to be hit it a pretty hard
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: force at a pretty high velocity with something so imagine
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: like a imagine just being next to a Christmas tree
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: in a mantle and you falling back and cutting. That's
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: not a high velocity fall to cause splatter to go
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: up on ten foot ceilings like that's huge. That's more
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: consistent with someone having beaten you like at like that
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: and something multiple times and it's splattering each time. Because yeah,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: if you just hit one time, you're not going to
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: have all this. You're going to have the cut and
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: that's it.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all the blood will be on the floor. With
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: this information, sled provides it to a second medical examiner,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: to the expert.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Not to the to the second one. The expert one, no,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: you said to a second medical examiner, Okay, the woman, the.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Woman they brought in. Yes, and she concluded that the
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: cause of death was a homicide. Based on that evidence,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: she determined that Judy had been beaten to death. She
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: believed that she had been beaten with a metal stocking
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: holder that was found at the scene, and that the
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: laceration on her forehead seemed to match the ridges that
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: were on the stocking holder.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Man, this is terrible. This is like this would have
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: This is terrible.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: We got those stocking holders.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: This sounds like one of my Like this sounds like
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: like a Christmas murder mystery book where they're like beaten
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: with the stocking holder. This is like disturbing that he
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: would do this.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, the medical examiner believes that Judy was dead or
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: nearly dead at the time that she was moved from
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: the vehicle and the crash was staged.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Yes, because he he planned all this out so that
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: he would have a supposed you gotta be more dedicated,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: though he should have. He had to take he should
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: have really ran the car off the bridge. If you
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: want to be you got to commit.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, you got to commit by Yeah, you got to
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: run it off the bridge.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Hopefully whatever happens to you happens to you, and you
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: just hope for the best. Not telling you how to
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: get away with murder, I'm just telling you that if
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: you're going to do this, you need to.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: You got to put your own life at risk.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, if it really means that much to you. With
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: all this information, investigators now believe what happened was Judy
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: and Jamie got into an argument, possibly Judy finding out,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: because they believe that, see, he's terror dating this Terry.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: A couple weeks later, they're pretty sure Terry, I think
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: she either told them or something. But this was going
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: on prior prior to him and Judy no longer being together,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: because Judy was no longer with us anyway, so she's
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: they're thinking maybe Judy found out about the affair or
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: something like that, or started talking about the finances. She
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: threatened to leave him or asked him to leave the home,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: and this is when, in a rage, he beat her
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: and then proceeded to stage the crime scene with the
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: crash and everything like that, so they probably got in
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: a fight. He gets angry and then he's like, Okay,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: oh god, what am I going to do? And this
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: is what he came up with with this information. They
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: confront Jamie with all the evidence that they have found,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: just to see if they can get a confession out
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: of him. Well, he begins saying that he doesn't know
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: how she fell and that there wasn't an altercation or anything.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: He's denying any type of involvement. He continues to say
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: he knows nothing. He told them everything that he does know,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: but they weren't convinced, so they go ahead and charge
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: him with Judy's murder. Jesus, why is the emails keep.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Coming in Stewart, You're a popular girl.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, what are you doing trying to get outfits for
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: our Christmas photos? Anyways, So he's not I'm surprised he didn't.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Maybe he since he'd been in law enforce. Maybe he's like,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: these fuckers don't have anything on me. But they really
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: did have stuff. So the case did go to trial,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: and Jamie continued to profess his innocence. Well the prosecution, however, Yeah,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: he's like sticking to it so the prosecute cution though,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: they had some pretty solid scientific arguments behind this. This
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: wasn't just some you know something without any type of
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: evidence to back it up. This wasn't a what's it circumstantial?
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Only they did have evidence, scientific evidence, and they had
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: experts that could argue that everything that Jamie said was
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: a lie. And in the end, on November fifth, twenty nineteen,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: a jury did find Jamie guilty of Judy's murder and
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: he was sentenced to life in prison.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: I think he'll do life.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: No, I think he if it was like a oh
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: I gave hypiotic ooh. Anyways, if if he, if he
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: did it does sound like he did it in a rage.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: But I wonder if he ever got I'm sure he's
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: they'd probably followed up with the whole Terry thing, you know,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: the arson with Terry.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Think you got charged with Ardam? Did you look that up?
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: No? Did you? No? Okay, anyways, well that's our case
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: for I'll look it up and find out for you
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: guys for next week and tell us, yes, I'll look
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: it up by Steve's doing his yalling Jesus, and I'll
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: let you guys do Stu are you ready, I was
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: what happened?
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know where it.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Anyways, all those emails were for we have family Christmas
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: photos next week, so I'm trying to It already costs
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: money to get the photos. I just do those mini sessions.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: I'm just talking to them. So do I need you
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: to focus on finding your yalling Jesus? Anyways, it already
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: costs money to do the photos. But we're at the
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: point where we have too many children. We cannot I
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: used to just have the photos. We used to take
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: the photos ourselves with our little tripod.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: I can't get having a bunch.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Of Okay, I cannot. Maybe you should keep it in
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: your pants.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: I keep it in your pants.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm supposed to keep my legs closed and you're
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: supposed to keep it in your pants. Anyways, it is
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: impossible to get good photos with all these children looking
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: and everything like that. So we found a photographer here
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: and she does really good job, like I don't know
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: how she makes miracles happen, but she does. So we
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: have Christmas photos. But I've already paid for the Christmas
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: session and these are just many sessions, which that's fine
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: because all our kids can handles fifteen to twenty minutes anyways.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: But I don't want to spend that's all I can handle.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: I don't want to double up the cost of the
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: photos by then having to spend two hundred dollars on
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: new clothes for everybody that we're gonna wear once. So
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: I was trying to find something that would match the
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: background that we already had. So I have the black dress.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: You I think you have a black sweater, don't you.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but I don't even know what you're
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: talking about trying to put me in khaki corduro We've
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: done lost your hand. I know you were.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Do you have any khakis? And he's like, I don't
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: know how to look. I was like, okay, what about
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: can I Will you wear some khaki corduroys.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: He said no, and she's like, what'd you Well, we'll
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: look at these. I'm like, no, I'm not gonna wear
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: them anyways. Well would you at least look now I'm
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: not here, It would have.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Looked nice because two D is in corduroys anyway. So
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: I was able to catch the children's place head a
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: big cell today, so I was able to I don't
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: have to buy a new dress, which is more probably
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: the most expensive thing. You should be good. We just
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: have to get you some khakis, which I got from
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Old Navy on cell today. And then I got the
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: children's things from the Children's Place sixty percent off, so
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: I was able to get everybody's I was able to
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: get everything for like uh twenty forty sixty about eighty
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: bucks to outfit everybody for the Christmas and we can
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: there are outfits we can use again, like, you have
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: your khakis now for.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: The rest of my out that. I'm so glad I
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: finally have an outfit after all.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: But you need khakis for our Thanksgiving dinner anyways, shouldn't
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: you wear khakis? And then a nicer event?
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: I SPI, So I guess we'll say what it looks
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: like in though.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Well, because normally I have them wear jeans and then
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I don't have to buy jeans or anything like that.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: But this was a fancier background she had, so I
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: felt like we needed to do khakis like business casual.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: But you do have a black sweater, don't you.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Maybe somewhere we're in the closet.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Look, okay, we are in the closets people. I believe
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: it or not. We're still we recording the closet again.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: We're back too. It's a bigger closet, but we're still
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: in the closet.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: We got an air conditioner in.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: We do have an air vent. Unlike all right, we
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: have to find if you have a black sweater. If not,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to get you one because it was
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: important for you to have a black sweater because I
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: have a black dress. The kids have a like a
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: like a dark green kind of like plaid Christmas see color.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: What this sounds like? Shoot the Pooh?
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, this sounds like shoot if this if you listen
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: to this bullshit, Shoot the Pooh is the place for you.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: You need to pay for this, Okay, So this is
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: this is behind the scenes information and you must pay
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: for it. So go ahead and do what your y'all need.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Jesus you also guess what if you're on the Patreon,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: you also get the picture?
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: So what picture?
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: I always post the family photo in the patreon.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Nobody want to see that.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: People like it. I posted the kids in the Halloween.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Yes I'm not. Yeah, makes fun of me, because I
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: still makes fun of because I won't. I won't post
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: the kids' faces on the the internet, like like I'm
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: not going to post it on like the like anything
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: public page or whatever, but I will post it if
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: you if you subscribe to the Patreon, you can't see
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: our children's faces.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm a terrible mother. Yes you have all these
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: crime pro tips. And then you're like, we're not going
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: to have an episode, thanksgivin, because we're going to be
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: out of town for two weeks, starting at two pm
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: on the Friday before and not returning home.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Until Okay, anyways, go on, please don't so if you
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: join the Patreon, you do get you will get to
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: see the Christmas photo when it finally comes out in
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: probably four weeks. So I know she takes she said
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: it was she was taken longer because, like I said,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: the lady she's very good. I don't know how she's
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: probably like having to deal with our bullshit family. That's
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: like no one's looking at the camera, no one's smiling,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Like I got to work some magic with these. Just
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: all right, go.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: On, yeah, I've been on on what what huh?
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Go on? What I said?
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Go on?
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: I thought you said something else.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, just do the freaking thing.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Man stole seven thousand dollars and scratch off lottery tickets,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: then returned to the store to redeem them just hours later.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Florida or not Florida.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: It's a Florida all over it? Why because I Argiza.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Gotta look up Florida. Man.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Oh now, this wasn't that story. There was another one
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: that I had heard. I forgot the headline, so I
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: don't know where it is coming to us. From The
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: New York Post from Zoe Hussain, published October ninth, twenty
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: twenty five. Dumb Luck, Florida man was hit with federal
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: charges this week after he allegedly stole seven thousand dollars
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: in scratch off lottery tickets from a convenience store, then
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: returned to the scene of the crime mere hours later
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: to try to redeem his loot. According to authorities, Justin Farley,
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: aged forty three, pulled into Saint Petersburg Circle K on
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: May fifth, opened multiple cabinets and took scratch off lottery
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: tickets before fleeing the scene in his gray Hyundai Elantra.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Roughly forty minutes later, Farley arrived at an area seven
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: to eleven to redeem the seven thousand dollars worth of
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: scratch offs. According to the document filed in the United
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: States District Court for Middle District of Florida. After an
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: unsuccessful attempt, the bumbling thief returned to the same Circle
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: K and tried to cash in on the seven ticket
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: books he had stolen from the store.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Why couldn't you've gone to at least a different Why
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: would you return to the scene of the cron.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: His attempt once again failed, Kara, if you can believe it,
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: well you know what the problem is.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: You know, I wish I had as much confidence as
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: some of these criminals do. I mean, they just really.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: He then left and returned to the Circle K minutes later,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: only to come up empty a third time. According to
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: the filing, disparage Farley drove back to the seven to
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: eleven in a black mask, yellow shirt, and black nikes
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: and pointed a replica glock at the clerk, demanding a
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: staffer opened the cash register. He successfully made off Kara
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: with one hundred and twenty dollars from the cash register Wow,
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: before escorting the clerk to the back of the store
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: and snatching a pack of Newport's cigarettes, prosecutors, Hey, get
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: a damn carton, not a pack. Come on now, dude.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: A slew of evidence, including his license plate and surveillance footage,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: led cops to pull over Farley on May twenty two,
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: Buckem on a commercial burglary and grand theft. After his arrest,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Farley told the cops he needed money obviously. He admitted
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: to committing the Circle K and seven eleven robbery in
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: a recorded interview with the cops. It is unclear if
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: he divulged his repeat visits to both locations. While in
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: custody on state charges. Farley was indicted by Tampa Bay
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: Grand jury. He was charged federally on Tuesday. According to
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: the Outfit, he now faces one count of interference with
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: commerce by a threat or violence, a federal charge under
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: the Hobbs Act, which prohibits Hobbs Yes, which prohibits robbery
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: that affects interstate or foreign commerce. The dim wooded thief
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: also has a significant.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Throwing stuff at the wall there with the Hobbs.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Well, he's got a significant criminal history, including convictions for felony,
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: drug and firearm possession. I guess they're just trying to
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: get him to go to jail for one.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, they're like, we got to get this minutes off
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: the street before he actually hurts somebody.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Well, the thing is is if you still scratch off
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: lottery tickets, they those they have serial numbers. Yeah, all
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: they do is they just report at the lottery office.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: They cancel those tickets so they can't be cashed in.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Did you ever turn in our lottery tickets we want
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: now they're hanging on the Okay, we need to do that.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: We got like ten dollars.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Well, you never may do make good on your promise
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: what you said you would do if I was a Powerball.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Winner, I never made I did not ever agree to that.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: That must have be in your all right, Well, that
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: is our episode for this week. Shoot. The pool will
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: be out Friday and the same day everybody.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Else, somebody listening to this ten years from now is
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: not going to have it.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. We're here for the current people. Okay,
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: the current people, because if I ever stopped doing this podcast,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: I'm taking down all these episodes. What yes, they will
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: go into the vault like Taylor Swift's vault tracks. No
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: one will ever hear them again.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Like Disney used to deal with their movies.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Yes they Oh yeah, I remember that was such an
• 53:35
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• 53:37
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• 53:40
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, Patreon, Instagram, Facebook, go to the TikTok guys,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: I'm almost there. Okay, I'm at nine fifty two followers.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: I just have to get so math one.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: I think our listeners have ten thousand people listening to
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: the show.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: I know, but there's anything but him to go over there.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: You think none of the people that currently listen have
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: gone to TikTok.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: I think some of them have, but I think most
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: of them have no clue that the follow me on.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: There are there for the true crime recommendations. But I'm
• 54:12
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• 54:14
  Speaker 1: because I'm been reading some books.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: So an't you fancy?
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, I guess we will see you next time.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: By everyone, say bye, ste Don't you.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Know it's bad to be superstious by nothing else? It's
• 54:37
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• 54:44
  Speaker 1: This worthy can