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Emily Pike, 14, Body Found Dismembered Off US 60, Killer Still on the Loose · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: The body of a beautiful little girl just fourteen years old,
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Speaker 2: found dismembered off US sixty. That little girl identified as
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Speaker 2: missing Emily Pike. In the last hours, Chilling details emerge
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Speaker 2: as we learn the cod cause of death. A fourteen
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Speaker 2: year old girl is dead and dismembered. I want justice.
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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. A fourteen year old
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Speaker 2: little girl throne off the side of the highway like she's.
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Speaker 3: Trash or in five Indigenous women have experienced violence in
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Speaker 3: their lifetime.
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Speaker 2: Emily Pike found dismembered. How has this dragged on this long?
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Speaker 2: A fourteen year old girl murdered and dismembered, thrown on
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Speaker 2: the side of the road light. She's trussed. I'm not
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Speaker 2: having it to say that so much.
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Speaker 4: I really hope.
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Speaker 5: I'll try to see if you can convinit.
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Speaker 3: Me next time.
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Speaker 6: You have not recovered any kind of weapon. A cause
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Speaker 6: of death is still under investigation by the Emmy's office
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Speaker 6: as we're investigating those leads. None of those as of
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Speaker 6: yet have pointed us to a definite suspect or person
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Speaker 6: of interest with Emily of course, we believe that she
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Speaker 6: was killed somewhere else and then that is where she
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Speaker 6: was dropped off.
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Speaker 2: What do I need to do to put a fire
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Speaker 2: under their kale? That from our friends at CBS five
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Speaker 2: and we do as of tonight, no cause of death
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Speaker 2: on this little girl. Straight out to investigative reporter Susan
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Speaker 2: Hendrix joining us. Susan, what do we know about the
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Speaker 2: death and dismemberment of this little girl, Emily Pike.
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Speaker 5: It is devastating, to say the least. It's been more
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Speaker 5: than a year. Nancy just fourteen years old, her body dismembered,
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Speaker 5: found on the side of a road in construction like
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Speaker 5: garbage bags. And get this the way the family was notified.
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Speaker 5: It was allegedly accidentally leaked on Facebook by the Sheriff's
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Speaker 5: department and now they say they're working on it. There
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Speaker 5: is outrage. But does that mean the Sheriff's apartment is
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Speaker 5: doing anything? And if so, what.
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Speaker 2: Isn't it true? Susan Hendricks. I would like to see,
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Speaker 2: Susan that the arms and the hands of this little
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Speaker 2: girl have not been found.
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Speaker 5: It's just unthinkable they haven't been found, and there's little
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Speaker 5: confidence that they will be found. Because the Sheriff's office
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Speaker 5: isn't saying much and are they acting on much? Are
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Speaker 5: they looking at this as a cold case? Are they
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Speaker 5: just disregarding it. It's just my heart goes out to
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Speaker 5: the family, and you're right, Why.
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Speaker 2: Why Susan Hendrix? Is it because she is a native American?
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Speaker 2: Is that why? Joining me an all star panel? But
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Speaker 2: I'm going to go to a very special guest joining
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Speaker 2: us tonight. It's all Red Pike Junior. This is Emily's
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Speaker 2: paternal uncle. Mister Pike, Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Is it true that you learned information about emily just
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Speaker 2: fourteen years old murder through a unintentionally leaked post online.
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Speaker 7: Yes, that's how we found out.
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Speaker 2: What happened.
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Speaker 7: I got a call from my sister saying that there
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Speaker 7: was information through social media that our niece may have
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Speaker 7: passed away, and that was the steatest way to find out.
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Speaker 2: I want to go to John Buehler. You know him well.
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Speaker 2: He was already famous within his ranks for being an
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Speaker 2: incredible detective and homicide but the world found out who
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Speaker 2: John Buehler was during the Scott Peterson double murder trial. Buehler,
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Speaker 2: former detective of destopd Thirty one years in robery homicide.
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Speaker 2: You know what, John, I want to introduce you over
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Speaker 2: the airways to mister Allredpike Junior. This is Emily's paternal uncle.
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Speaker 2: I can still remember like it was yesterday, the moment
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Speaker 2: I was told my fiancee was a It didn't dawn
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Speaker 2: on me. He could have been murdered, But I remember exactly.
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Speaker 2: Do you ever are you ever not shocked anymore? Are
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Speaker 2: you to the point where you're like, eh, it happens
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Speaker 2: because I am not first of all, for this to
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Speaker 2: happen to this little girl and seemingly nobody cares her
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Speaker 2: arms and hands missing, and they find out the family
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Speaker 2: finds out through a laked post. Does that still burn
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Speaker 2: you up? Or are you just like completely numb at
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Speaker 2: this point, John, I'm not.
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Speaker 8: Numb to it. When you hear it, it strikes, But
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Speaker 8: it's when you see the photographs of this young girl
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Speaker 8: that it really becomes haunting. And then to see how
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Speaker 8: there was some goof up on the part there at
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Speaker 8: their office where they leaked that information, probably unintentionally, but
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Speaker 8: somebody did that, and you know you can't happened.
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Speaker 2: But Buehler, unintentional fine, unintentional an accident. What's worse, really,
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Speaker 2: someone so incompetent that they have an accident accident like
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Speaker 2: that that like slices the soul of the family. They're
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Speaker 2: that incompetent, or well, that's definitely moted that they did
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Speaker 2: it on purpose for pizza. I don't know which is worse. Buehler.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, And it strikes for the family because it puts
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Speaker 8: them in a position where they're going to lose confidence
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Speaker 8: in the sheriff's office and whoever else is involved in
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Speaker 8: assisting in this investigation. It's it's a terrible way to
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Speaker 8: go about it. But other mistakes were made to the
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Speaker 8: things that we can talk about.
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Speaker 2: I don't like the way you said that just warning
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Speaker 2: right now. Other mistakes we made you just like it
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Speaker 2: shrilled off your tongue, mistakes, my rear end. This has
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Speaker 2: been months and months and months since Emily went missing
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Speaker 2: and was found murdered. Back to all read Pike Junior,
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Speaker 2: Emily's uncle, mister Pike, did you believe it at first
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Speaker 2: when you heard about this post, this online poster or
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Speaker 2: did you think it was just bs like it's a prank,
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Speaker 2: that's horrible prank. What did you think I.
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Speaker 7: Come from social media. I asked my sister, are you
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Speaker 7: sure it's curtains, because half the time most of the
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Speaker 7: stuff on social media are not true. But she told
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Speaker 7: me that it was pretty much verified. It was her ed.
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Speaker 2: I was confused.
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Speaker 7: Why did it come from social media and not from
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Speaker 7: law enforcement.
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Speaker 2: All this little girl, Emily Pipe wanted was to go
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Speaker 2: home to her mom, to her grandma and her little cat, Millie.
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Speaker 2: But she didn't get her wish. The apache teen girl
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Speaker 2: spent the last two years of her life in and
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Speaker 2: out of group homes. She hated it so much much
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Speaker 2: that at one point, this little girl, who wanted so
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Speaker 2: desperately to go home, tried to hang herself rather than
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Speaker 2: stay in a group home. Home was made up of
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Speaker 2: multiple people, an extended family. How in the world did
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Speaker 2: this little girl who had lived through so much already
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Speaker 2: end up debt on the side of the road. And
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Speaker 2: why do we have no leeds? Nothing straight out to
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Speaker 2: a name? You know? Well, doctor Kendall Crown's chief medical
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Speaker 2: examiner Tarrant County. He is a star of hit podcast
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Speaker 2: and made him in the Morgue, which, by the way,
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Speaker 2: doctor Crowns, I love. I always learned something, and you
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Speaker 2: tell all of your medical findings in an anecdote, a story,
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Speaker 2: a true story that I can understand. He is the
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Speaker 2: esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns, what do you make the recent news
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Speaker 2: that we're just learning that the cood cause of death
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Speaker 2: on this little girl was homicidal violence bludgeoning. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to go to shrink on this after you,
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Speaker 2: doctor Kendall Crowns, to bludgeon a little girl dead and
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Speaker 2: then dismember her and throw her on the side of
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Speaker 2: the road in a trash bag like she's trash. I mean,
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Speaker 2: what other indignity could be done to this child? And
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Speaker 2: no answers, no answers. I'm happy, let's see the mural.
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Speaker 2: I'm happy they put up a mural because it will
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Speaker 2: remind people that Emily Pike's case is not solved. I'm
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Speaker 2: happy that they care, but I want answers. This is
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Speaker 2: not just as doctor Crown's tell me your analysis of
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Speaker 2: the recently discovered cod cause of death.
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Speaker 9: So with the cause of death of homicidal violence with
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Speaker 9: blunt head trauma, it's saying that she's had her head smashed,
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Speaker 9: possibly skull fractures, beaten us, etc. About the head. But
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Speaker 9: the homicidal violence part is because of the dismemberment and
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Speaker 9: the fact that they don't have the complete body. They
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Speaker 9: can't rule out other forms of violence like sharp force violence,
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Speaker 9: even gunshot injury because without the with an incomplete body,
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Speaker 9: you don't have all the answers. But they know that
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Speaker 9: she was murdered and there is a blunt force component
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Speaker 9: to it. But they're adding on the homicidal violent because
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Speaker 9: of the dismemberment, because of the incomplete body. Who knows
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Speaker 9: what else could have been done. There could be cut
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Speaker 9: marks all over the arms, the hands could have been
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Speaker 9: chopped off purposely before she was dead. She could have
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Speaker 9: been shot in the arms, who knows. So that's why
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Speaker 9: you've got this kind of vague homicidal violence with the
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Speaker 9: blunt heead trauma.
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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on just a moment. I need to analyze
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Speaker 2: what you just said, doctor Kendall Crowns. Since this child
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Speaker 2: and to mister Pike, I'm sorry to discuss the facts
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Speaker 2: so bluntly, but this is the nature of homicide investigation,
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Speaker 2: doctor Kendall Crowns. The body's been dismembered, So how do
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Speaker 2: we know homicidal violence? Is it based on her upper
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Speaker 2: torso and head? Well, how do we know homicidal violence?
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Speaker 2: How did the medical examiner come up with that? You've
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Speaker 2: done it many times? How'd you do it?
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Speaker 9: So homicidal violence is basically they're saying they're unsure of
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Speaker 9: what else could have been inflicted, but they know that
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Speaker 9: it's violence done intentionally to the individual. The fact that
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Speaker 9: she's been dismembered and you don't have all the body parts,
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Speaker 9: they can't rule out something else having happened to the
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Speaker 9: body as well. Like I said, there could be gunshot wounds,
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Speaker 9: that could be stab wounds of the arms that they
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Speaker 9: haven't been able to determine yet because they don't have
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Speaker 9: those findings. When a body is dismembered, if the individual
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Speaker 9: is still alive, you will see changes in the skin
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Speaker 9: and the muscle with hemorrhages that you can note, and
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Speaker 9: then you know they were dismembered while alive. If they're
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Speaker 9: dismembered after death, the actual dismembered body parts have kind
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Speaker 9: of a dried can look to the areas of dismemberment,
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Speaker 9: so you can get an idea of whether the injuries
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Speaker 9: happened with living or with death. But again, homicidal violence
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Speaker 9: is kind of a catch all term when they're unsure
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Speaker 9: of what else may have been inflicted.
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Speaker 2: I want to go back to mister Allredpike Junior. This
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Speaker 2: is Emily's uncle. Her death and dismemberment to me is
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Speaker 2: horrific enough, mister Pike. But isn't it true that while
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Speaker 2: living at home she was sex assault by a male relative.
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Speaker 2: I mean, she's only fourteen at the time of her death,
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Speaker 2: so I don't know her age when that happened to her,
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Speaker 2: That sex violence on a little girl, and as a
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Speaker 2: result of that, she was taken out of the home
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Speaker 2: while the alleged assaulter got to stay home. Did that happen?
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Speaker 7: Those were the allegations. That's why she was removed from
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Speaker 7: the home, and just the system was backwards. You know,
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Speaker 7: she was the victim, but yet she was removed from
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Speaker 7: the home and she never came home. She was out
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Speaker 7: there for over two years.
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Speaker 2: Two years because a lot of people think Susan Hendricks guys,
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Speaker 2: let me properly introduce my colleague from way back at
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Speaker 2: CNN's HLM. Susan Hendrix's joining us investigative journalist. She is
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Speaker 2: also the author of a hit book, Down the Hill,
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Speaker 2: My Descent into the Double Murder in Delphi. And that's
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Speaker 2: referring to the murders of two other little girls that
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Speaker 2: would be Abby and Libby in Delphi, Remember the little
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Speaker 2: girls taking off the trestle bridge and murdered by Richard Allen,
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Speaker 2: the local pharmacy tech. Right that, Susan Hendrix. Let me
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Speaker 2: understand what I'm hearing, because when I look at my
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Speaker 2: little girl or my little boy John, David and Lucy,
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Speaker 2: sometimes they're just so precious to me, I just want
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Speaker 2: to cry. Just to look at them breaks my heart.
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Speaker 2: This little girl, let's see, at at least twelve, if
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Speaker 2: not younger, her sex assaulted by a male relative on
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Speaker 2: the Apache reservation. Nothing happened to the Purp, so the
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Speaker 2: Purp still living near the home compound, and she gets
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Speaker 2: removed from the home and put in a group home,
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Speaker 2: which she hates. She wants to go home to her mother,
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Speaker 2: her grandmother her a little bit of kitty cat, but no.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people think Emily Pike was somehow disobedient,
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Speaker 2: was a juvenile delinquent, not that that would matter because
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Speaker 2: she was murdered, but that is not what happened. She
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Speaker 2: was sex assaulted. I don't know the details because they're very,
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Speaker 2: very deep within the reservation archives. But I do know
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Speaker 2: she was sex assaulted, and she somehow is the one
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Speaker 2: that gets punished. Isn't that true?
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Speaker 5: It is backwards. What her uncle said in my heart
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Speaker 5: goes out to you already, and he could speak to this.
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Speaker 5: She's very close to her cousins. They call themselves the trio.
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Speaker 5: She loves Sparkles. She was a young girl, just fourteen
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Speaker 5: years old, wanted to be there with her mom, and
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Speaker 5: she gets in trouble, she gets thrown out of the house.
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Speaker 5: She was a loving fourteen teen year old and wanted
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Speaker 5: to be there. There's bodycam footage Nancy that I watched
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Speaker 5: yesterday where she says, I don't want to go back.
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Speaker 5: I want my mom, and my heart broke for that
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Speaker 5: for her.
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Speaker 2: You are seeing bodycam footage right now, and I want
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Speaker 2: you to hear it. Remember this is all because she
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Speaker 2: was sex assaulted.
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Speaker 9: Listen, Emily, stop, come with me.
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Speaker 10: Okay, No, I don't want to go. I know, let's talk. Okay,
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Speaker 10: it's okay, Hey, Hey, it's okay. You're not okay. Hey, hey, hey,
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Speaker 10: I can't let you go.
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Speaker 6: Okay, come here.
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Speaker 10: Well, we'll call your mom. Okay, it's okay, it's okay.
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Speaker 10: Come on, I will call your mom for you.
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Speaker 2: Okay, it's okay.
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Speaker 10: Hey, hey, Emily, listen, I'm here to help you.
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Speaker 8: Okay, Well you got Well that's not going to help
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Speaker 8: them either.
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Speaker 11: If you're gonna act like a child, we're gonna put
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Speaker 11: your knad covers.
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Speaker 10: I really don't want to put your handcuffs some lady.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you she is a child? What is wrong with
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Speaker 2: these people?
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Speaker 8: John Buehler, Well, you're run into these situations with people,
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Speaker 8: and not everybody's trained well enough, and they don't always
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Speaker 8: have the patience to deal with them properly. But the
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Speaker 8: system definitely failed this this little girl. Just I echo
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Speaker 8: what you said about how she was removed from the house.
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Speaker 8: If all, why should she be removed. It seemed like
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Speaker 8: the offender should have been taken out of there purely
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Speaker 8: a victim, multiple times, ignored, tossed aside, and just not
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Speaker 8: given what she needed to have a good life at
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Speaker 8: a disposable young children. It breaks your heart every single time,
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Speaker 8: and there's just so many of them. This one's a
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Speaker 8: highlight because so pretty and she's so young. But there's
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Speaker 8: so many more like that, and those are the things
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Speaker 8: that haunt you even after you retire in this job.
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Speaker 2: Average, over five thousand, five thousand Native American women go
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Speaker 2: missing in the US, and nobody seems to care. Now
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Speaker 2: joining me in addition to mister Pike, all Read Pike
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Speaker 2: Junior speaking out on behalf of his niece, Emily Mary
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Speaker 2: Kim Tittler. She is the executive director of Unity, which
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Speaker 2: is United National Indian Tribal Youth, Inc. Mary Kim, I
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Speaker 2: really don't know how you do it. I don't know
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Speaker 2: how I do it. I don't know how I did
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Speaker 2: it for over a decade, every single day seeing the worst,
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Speaker 2: I managed to get through and still get through because
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Speaker 2: I care about the victims and feel this is all
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Speaker 2: we can do for them at this juncture. What do
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Speaker 2: you make of what has happened to Emily Pike and
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Speaker 2: still no answers. It's just been one debacle after the next.
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Speaker 3: It's heart wrenching to watch the videos, to see the photos,
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Speaker 3: to be reminded of what happened to this precious little girl.
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Speaker 3: She has become everyone's daughter, granddaughter, niece, and in Indian country,
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Speaker 3: I represent a segment of the population that is you know,
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Speaker 3: the horrible statistics involve Native women and girls who go
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Speaker 3: missing every year and are found murdered. We have so
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Speaker 3: many that are still missing. So justice has not been
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Speaker 3: served in this case. We have to work together. We
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Speaker 3: are searching for answers. There has been more awareness. We
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Speaker 3: have the Turquoise Alert, so there have been some positive
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Speaker 3: steps that have happened, but we have a lot of
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Speaker 3: work to do to prevent this from happening again. My
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Speaker 3: heart breaks and continues to break every time I go
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Speaker 3: home because I pass the billboards that are publicizing the reward.
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Speaker 3: There's reminders with the mural that you saw. She is
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Speaker 3: never far from our minds. I'm a mother, I'm a grandmother.
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Speaker 3: I fear for the fact that the murderer or murderers
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Speaker 3: are still on the loose. We want justice and we
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Speaker 3: have to work together to make that happen.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Emily kept running away from one group home after the next,
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Speaker 2: trying to get back to her own family. The last time,
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Speaker 2: Emily didn't make it. After running away from the group home,
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Speaker 2: her body not even a body remained she was dismembered,
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Speaker 2: were found Valentine's Day, stuffed in two trash bags and
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Speaker 2: thrown onto a patch of dirt on a Lonely Lonely
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Speaker 2: Desert highway in the Tonto National Forest, five miles from
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Speaker 2: the boundary line of the reservation.
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Speaker 10: Emily stop, come with me.
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Speaker 2: Okay, no, I.
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Speaker 10: Know, let's talk. Okay, it's okay. Hey, hey, it's okay.
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Speaker 10: You're not okay. Hey, hey, hey, I can't let you go. Okay,
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Speaker 10: come on, well, we'll call your mom. Okay, it's okay,
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Speaker 10: it's okay. Come on, I'll call your mom for you.
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Speaker 2: Okay, it's okay.
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Speaker 10: Hey, hey, Emily, listen, I'm here to help you.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Well you got us.
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Speaker 6: Well that's not going to help them either. Oh, if
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Speaker 6: you're going to act like.
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Speaker 11: A child, we're gonna put your in the handcuffs.
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Speaker 6: I really don't want to put your a handcuffs, young lady.
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Speaker 2: Okay, we still haven't found her arms or hands.
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Speaker 5: Now we've got some body parts in a bed. How
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Speaker 5: come her mother wasn't told about this for one month?
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Speaker 2: What is going on here?
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Speaker 7: It's hard to hear the exactly what happened.
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Speaker 2: To her Emily Pike is fourteen years old at the
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Speaker 2: time of her death, had been sex assaulted on the
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Speaker 2: Indian reservation. After that, she is removed from the family
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Speaker 2: home her stayed there, and she's put in one group home.
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Speaker 2: After the next of course, she runs away trying to
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Speaker 2: get back to mom. You saw the video of her
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Speaker 2: begging and crying. Then she was put in handcuffs. Now
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Speaker 2: we have an official cod cause of death homicidal blunt trauma.
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Speaker 2: Her arms and hands have not been recovered. Back to
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Speaker 2: all read Pike Junior. This is Emily's paternal uncle, mister Pike. Again,
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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us tonight. Mister Pike. Does
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Speaker 2: the mother and or the grandmother know the cause of
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Speaker 2: death on Emily? Have they been told?
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Speaker 6: Yes?
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Speaker 7: Uh, they know the cause of death.
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Speaker 2: You know, just can't.
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Speaker 7: There's no words to describe how they're feeling.
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Speaker 2: I'd like you to try.
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Speaker 7: I know it shattered them to know how she had
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Speaker 7: passed away and what was done to her. I mean
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Speaker 7: even I was in shock. And you're right, the part
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Speaker 7: of her body parts have not been found, and it
24:22
Speaker 7: hurts to know that the people who did this are
24:25
Speaker 7: haven't been caught.
24:27
Speaker 2: In the last hours the County Medical Examiner's Office releases
24:30
Speaker 2: cause of death on Little Emily found dismembered in the
24:33
Speaker 2: woods after being reported missing from her group home in Mesa.
24:38
Speaker 2: She was found dead on Valentine's Day in the woods
24:43
Speaker 2: north of Globe. The full report yet to be released,
24:46
Speaker 2: but we do know blunt force trauma and homicidal violence.
24:52
Speaker 2: No arrests, no arrests all read Pike Junior. I'm curious.
25:00
Speaker 2: Did the mom and the grandma try to get her
25:03
Speaker 2: out of the group home and put the sex assaulter
25:06
Speaker 2: behind bars? What happened with that? Why was she the
25:09
Speaker 2: one taken away from the home.
25:13
Speaker 7: That I'm not sure of. I believe my sisters had
25:16
Speaker 7: tried to take her in, but there were issues that
25:23
Speaker 7: just they couldn't navigate through the get her to stay
25:29
Speaker 7: with them up in Utah or Denver too.
25:34
Speaker 2: Mary Kim Tittler joining us. She is the executive director
25:38
Speaker 2: of Unity United National Indian Tribal Youth. I don't understand. Again,
25:44
Speaker 2: and at this point, this is a side issue, because
25:47
Speaker 2: the real issue is who murdered Emily Pike. But I
25:51
Speaker 2: don't understand why the assaulter was allowed to stay at
25:53
Speaker 2: the family compound. And Emily was the one forced out,
25:56
Speaker 2: and then the system was so difficult to navigate Mom
25:59
Speaker 2: couldn't get her back.
26:01
Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense. And what I would like to
26:03
Speaker 3: address is something that was mentioned earlier, and that's confidence
26:06
Speaker 3: in law enforcement.
26:08
Speaker 2: It's shot.
26:09
Speaker 3: There is a lack of trust among Native Americans when
26:11
Speaker 3: it comes to law enforcement, and rightly so, because there
26:14
Speaker 3: are so many unsolved cases the handling of crimes involving
26:19
Speaker 3: Native Americans. It's a sad reality. There have been so
26:23
Speaker 3: many unsolved cases and the fact that she was removed
26:28
Speaker 3: from the home, it doesn't make sense one bit. It
26:33
Speaker 3: makes so many of us in the community very angry
26:37
Speaker 3: the way this was handled. On so many levels. We
26:41
Speaker 3: have to have accountability. We have to make sure that
26:46
Speaker 3: there's oversight, and it does mean people working together. There
26:51
Speaker 3: is now a task force on the reservation. There is
26:54
Speaker 3: now a community group raising funds to put up these
26:59
Speaker 3: boards to raise awareness. I'm glad that people are working together,
27:06
Speaker 3: but more must be done to prevent these things from happening.
27:10
Speaker 3: We have to know what it's going to take to
27:14
Speaker 3: keep our children safe, whether they're on the reservation or
27:18
Speaker 3: taken away. So we have to work together to make
27:22
Speaker 3: sure that this never happens again.
27:26
Speaker 2: Well, I have one suggestion, and that would be to
27:29
Speaker 2: allow local law enforcement and the FEDS onto the reservation
27:34
Speaker 2: to help find missing people and solve unsolved homicides. Five
27:39
Speaker 2: thousand Native American women missing a year is unacceptable. But
27:46
Speaker 2: isn't it true, Mary him that on Indian reservations, local
27:52
Speaker 2: law enforcement and the FEDS neither one had any jurisdiction.
27:57
Speaker 2: They cannot come in and investigate a case. Isn't that true?
28:02
Speaker 3: There are jurisdictional issues and that must be addressed. You're
28:07
Speaker 3: absolutely right. There are limitations, and it does seem to
28:15
Speaker 3: take so much time to get these cases solved. There's
28:19
Speaker 3: not enough resources. We know that we must work together
28:23
Speaker 3: and lift these limitations so that we can solve these crimes.
28:30
Speaker 3: It is unacceptable that there are so many unsolved crimes,
28:37
Speaker 3: and we don't want this to become a cold case.
28:40
Speaker 3: We are fighting very hard to make sure that Emily
28:44
Speaker 3: Pike's name and case stays in the forefront. But every
28:50
Speaker 3: day that slips away, it seems to get further and
28:53
Speaker 3: further away, and we don't want that to happen. So
28:56
Speaker 3: we have to keep raising our voices and making sure
29:01
Speaker 3: that law enforcement knows that this is, you know, of
29:05
Speaker 3: high importance. We can't let this become a cold case.
29:11
Speaker 2: To doctor John Delatory, joining us renowned psychologist mediator specializing
29:16
Speaker 2: in forensic psychology at resolution FCS dot com. Doctor Delatory,
29:24
Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. It's very difficult for
29:28
Speaker 2: me to sit by and hear this because I feel
29:31
Speaker 2: there's nothing we can do. And I'm going to get
29:35
Speaker 2: Buehler to comment on this because local law enforcement not
29:40
Speaker 2: allowed on Native American reservations. FEDS no jurisdiction at all.
29:48
Speaker 2: So what can we do? Not a D, A M
29:52
Speaker 2: and thing. Nothing. And we're seeing this unfollowed in the
29:59
Speaker 2: Nancy Guthrie case, right. We see the FEDS and I
30:03
Speaker 2: experienced it. I was a FED for three years before
30:06
Speaker 2: I became a felony prosecutor in inner City Atlanta. I
30:10
Speaker 2: know the FEDS have all of the resources, they have
30:14
Speaker 2: all of the technology that local law enforcement does not have.
30:21
Speaker 2: So this is an injustice to Emily Pike and it
30:26
Speaker 2: just burns me up to hear her case is unsolved
30:31
Speaker 2: and just the whole package is a hot stinking mess.
30:37
Speaker 2: The way she was taken out of the home when
30:40
Speaker 2: she is a sex assault victim, the Purple allowed to stay,
30:43
Speaker 2: probably never brought to justice. And now this the way
30:48
Speaker 2: she was treated, handcuffed, a little girl, handcuffed like that.
30:53
Speaker 2: I mean, let me just throw it at you, Dilatory.
30:56
Speaker 2: I don't even know where to start.
30:58
Speaker 11: Well, let's start with that Plea bodycam that we saw,
31:01
Speaker 11: so we know that she was sexually assaulted. Now, maybe
31:04
Speaker 11: the police didn't know, but it is absolutely awful the
31:07
Speaker 11: way that they man handle her.
31:10
Speaker 2: Hold on Delatory. That's why she got removed. She got removed.
31:14
Speaker 2: They did know.
31:14
Speaker 11: They don't know that she was removed, right. Responding officers
31:18
Speaker 11: don't know when they're interacting with her what actually has
31:21
Speaker 11: happened to her. But it is already awful that they're
31:25
Speaker 11: man handling her the way that they are. I mean,
31:27
Speaker 11: look at her, she is trying to fight them off,
31:30
Speaker 11: and so that already tells me something about how she
31:33
Speaker 11: is going to be interacting with adult men. She's fighting
31:37
Speaker 11: them off as best as she can, but they're still
31:40
Speaker 11: overpowering her. So we can absolutely start there. We can
31:44
Speaker 11: also start with well, what can we do well? As citizens,
31:47
Speaker 11: we can put pressure on all of these organizations, including
31:50
Speaker 11: the reservation, including the tribe. We can put pressure on
31:54
Speaker 11: having them actually solve this case and the thousands of
31:57
Speaker 11: other cases that have gone unsolved. We can absolutely put
32:01
Speaker 11: pressure on them to take a look at members within
32:03
Speaker 11: the tribe. Most likely they're probably being protected by the tribe,
32:08
Speaker 11: and they're probably the perpetrator of this offense is probably
32:11
Speaker 11: there on the reservation, which is probably why her hands
32:14
Speaker 11: are missing, because it contains the DNA of whoever assaultedtor.
32:17
Speaker 11: Emily is just one, I mean, this is the one
32:19
Speaker 11: we're talking about, but there's so many other women. There
32:22
Speaker 11: are so many other victims that deserve to have their
32:26
Speaker 11: cases solved, and they're just not and so we as
32:29
Speaker 11: citizens have to do it for them.
32:32
Speaker 2: Doctor Delatorre, you just taught me off the ledge here
32:35
Speaker 2: because everything you said is correct, and to throw your
32:41
Speaker 2: hands up in exasperation and frustration, that's not the answer
32:45
Speaker 2: that will get me and Emily nowhere. Fast back to
32:50
Speaker 2: John Buehler, former Detective Modesto PD. Right now, we are
32:57
Speaker 2: trying to help solve the Emily Pie murder, and I
33:02
Speaker 2: don't want to spend the rest of our few moments
33:05
Speaker 2: together our group tonight rehashing what went wrong but what
33:13
Speaker 2: do you make I mean, is there any hope? What
33:16
Speaker 2: do we do now? The case is a year old,
33:18
Speaker 2: a year and a month old. We've got a task
33:22
Speaker 2: force formed between the local and the tribe, and I
33:30
Speaker 2: believe the FBI is in on it, but I don't
33:34
Speaker 2: see really any advancement. They claim there may be a
33:38
Speaker 2: POI maybe at this juncture. I know you've worked on
33:44
Speaker 2: plenty of cold cases, as have I, and it is
33:47
Speaker 2: not easy to resurrect a cold case. It's hard. What
33:54
Speaker 2: do you advise right now?
33:55
Speaker 8: Bueler, Well, there's a couple of things that could be
33:59
Speaker 8: done in the future. And number one, you have to
34:01
Speaker 8: allow detectives to specialize in violent crimes so that they
34:04
Speaker 8: gain experience. They gain training not just in the classroom,
34:07
Speaker 8: but being mentored by senior detectives that show them how
34:10
Speaker 8: to work the case. They should be allowed to gain
34:13
Speaker 8: that experience, and there's where your success rate comes when
34:17
Speaker 8: you're working a case like that. There were many cases
34:19
Speaker 8: I never would have solved if I wouldn't have been
34:21
Speaker 8: trained by the guy who trained me. And then over
34:24
Speaker 8: and above that, the one thing that strikes me that
34:26
Speaker 8: we're not talking about too much is the guy who
34:28
Speaker 8: did this probably has done it before. Now maybe he
34:30
Speaker 8: hasn't murdered before, but he's probably a violent offender. He's
34:33
Speaker 8: went through the court system many times and they've just
34:36
Speaker 8: passed them along when there's no accountability for the people
34:39
Speaker 8: that are making decisions about punishment. And I'm speaking specifically
34:42
Speaker 8: of judges. They have all the time in the world
34:44
Speaker 8: to make a decision on what they do, but violent
34:47
Speaker 8: offenders need to be kept behind bars because they can't
34:50
Speaker 8: function in society and then you don't have victims like
34:53
Speaker 8: Emily in the future. But soft punishment is very violent
34:57
Speaker 8: to the victim twice when they were victimized, and then
35:01
Speaker 8: afterwards for their family. Those are things that just kind
35:04
Speaker 8: of pop into my head on the spur of the moment.
35:08
Speaker 5: A week.
35:10
Speaker 4: Masa police report Emily Pike as missing to the National
35:13
Speaker 4: Crime Information Centered the evening of January twenty seventh, the
35:17
Speaker 4: same day police got word of her disappearance. Her mother
35:20
Speaker 4: is not even informed of Emily leaving the group home
35:23
Speaker 4: until her fourteen year old daughter has been missing for
35:26
Speaker 4: a full week. Police say it is up to the
35:28
Speaker 4: group home to contact her case manager, who would then
35:31
Speaker 4: have contacted Pike's family or tribe.
35:33
Speaker 10: There are.
35:39
Speaker 1: Crimes tours with Nancy Grace.
35:45
Speaker 4: In a shocking turn of events, information about the remains
35:48
Speaker 4: of Emily Pike is leaked on Facebook, revealing gruesome details
35:53
Speaker 4: that were not intended for the public. The HeLa County
35:56
Speaker 4: Sheriff's Office posts information that detectives found the head and
35:59
Speaker 4: torso in large contractor trash bags, and the legs were
36:02
Speaker 4: found in separate bags. Detectives searched the area but failed
36:06
Speaker 4: to find the arms and hands.
36:08
Speaker 12: The teen had visible face and head trauma. No identifying clothing, jewelry,
36:12
Speaker 12: or identification is found with the remains. The cause of
36:14
Speaker 12: death is still undetermined. Deputies say there's no indication that
36:18
Speaker 12: there is an active threat to the community.
36:20
Speaker 2: Straight out to Susan Hendrix joining US investigative journalists, Susan,
36:24
Speaker 2: isn't it true that Well, it's kind of obvious.
36:28
Speaker 9: But.
36:30
Speaker 2: Emily was murdered at a primary crime scene. Where her
36:34
Speaker 2: remains were found is at least a secondary, if not
36:38
Speaker 2: tertiary crime scene. Isn't that true? Yeah, that is true.
36:43
Speaker 5: She was thrown out like trash, basically in the middle
36:46
Speaker 5: of nowhere. I think it's about an hour outside of Mesa. Arizona.
36:51
Speaker 5: And as we were just listening to that report, what
36:53
Speaker 5: do you mean that people aren't in immediate danger? They
36:56
Speaker 5: are in immediate danger. And these loopholes and the lack
36:59
Speaker 5: of unication someone a lot of criminals, multiple people are
37:04
Speaker 5: benefiting from this. How do we know this guy's not
37:06
Speaker 5: a serial killer and he's still out there? And like
37:09
Speaker 5: you said, Nancy, outrage does an equal justice and it
37:12
Speaker 5: just makes you think, what can we do?
37:14
Speaker 2: What can law enforcement do analyze this case? For starters
37:17
Speaker 2: to doctor Gendaal Crowns, when a person, a human is dismembered,
37:23
Speaker 2: it's almost impossible to get rid of any trace evidence explain.
37:30
Speaker 9: When you're dismembering a body, depending especially on how you
37:33
Speaker 9: dismember it, the sawing or cutting with implements, it's going
37:38
Speaker 9: to cause blood, bodily fluids, tissue to get everywhere. It's
37:44
Speaker 9: going to get on your clothing, on the furniture, it'll
37:47
Speaker 9: get on the floor, and then of course when you
37:50
Speaker 9: place it in trash bags, the trash bags aren't completely sealed,
37:53
Speaker 9: it'll leak out in the car or whatever vehicle you
37:56
Speaker 9: use to transport the bodies in or body anything that
38:01
Speaker 9: was involved in the portion of the case where there's
38:04
Speaker 9: dismemberment is going to have DNA evidence on it. No
38:08
Speaker 9: matter how good they clean it up, it'll still be
38:11
Speaker 9: able to be found.
38:12
Speaker 2: If that evidence is still there this much time later.
38:16
Speaker 2: But as you just pointed out, it's really hard to
38:19
Speaker 2: clean away trace evidence from a dismemberment. There can be
38:23
Speaker 2: blood in every nook and cranny, every tiny hole in
38:28
Speaker 2: the floor, especially when you have it well, carpet, hardwood, linoleum,
38:34
Speaker 2: you name it. It's really hard to get every spec
38:37
Speaker 2: of blood out. But we've got to find that location.
38:41
Speaker 2: According to reports tonight, there may be one person of
38:47
Speaker 2: interest on the radar. It's speculative at this juncture, but
38:53
Speaker 2: according to one law enforcement official, Emily may have been
39:01
Speaker 2: kidnapped by an older man based in the area of Globe, Arizona,
39:09
Speaker 2: someone they think she trusted. That's all we know now
39:17
Speaker 2: after this many months. That's all we've got back to
39:23
Speaker 2: all Redpike Junior. This is Emily's paternal uncle. What if anything,
39:28
Speaker 2: as law enforcement telling you or Emily's mom.
39:33
Speaker 7: On the dad side of the family, we don't really
39:35
Speaker 7: hear nothing from law enforcement from the beginning to now.
39:39
Speaker 7: There's no real updates regarding my niece's case.
39:44
Speaker 2: John Pueler, former detective madestopd How can that be that
39:50
Speaker 2: the family is told nothing. I know this but they don't.
39:55
Speaker 2: How can that be, John, Well.
39:57
Speaker 8: To me, it shows a lack of experience, because generally
40:00
Speaker 8: you're going to have one detective that's going to make
40:02
Speaker 8: constant contact with the family and give them updates, and
40:05
Speaker 8: then that person in the family will broadcast that information
40:08
Speaker 8: to other family members. You can't talk to everybody, but
40:11
Speaker 8: there should be one point of contact that they do.
40:13
Speaker 8: Suggests a lack of experience on their part. To me,
40:18
Speaker 8: I don't know for sure because I'm not there, but
40:19
Speaker 8: that's kind of what it looks like here from the seat.
40:24
Speaker 2: We also learn that another teen goes missing from the
40:29
Speaker 2: same group home.
40:31
Speaker 4: During the investigation of Emily Pike's disappearance from a group
40:33
Speaker 4: home in Mesa, Arizona, it is revealed that another teen
40:37
Speaker 4: has been missing from the same group home since May
40:40
Speaker 4: of last year. Masa PD says the group home notified
40:43
Speaker 4: them when seventeen year old Veronica Cruz went missing from
40:47
Speaker 4: the home on May eighteen, twenty twenty four, and has
40:49
Speaker 4: been missing ever since. They don't know who she's with
40:52
Speaker 4: or where she is, and points out that cruise will
40:55
Speaker 4: be eighteen next month. Masa PD says that's not good
40:58
Speaker 4: enough because she is under eighteen. They need to physically
41:01
Speaker 4: verify that cruise is safe and under the care of
41:03
Speaker 4: a guardian before changing her status.
41:07
Speaker 2: Straight back out to John Buehler, John, I'm just trying
41:12
Speaker 2: to advance the case, advance the investigation. Finger pointing and
41:17
Speaker 2: recriminations will not advance the investigation. We do know that
41:23
Speaker 2: there is a two hundred thousand dollar reward two hundred
41:29
Speaker 2: thousand dollars on the table for information leading to the
41:33
Speaker 2: whereabouts of the perp who murdered and dismembered this little girl.
41:41
Speaker 2: I mean, John Buehler, shouldn't that jog somebody's memory for
41:46
Speaker 2: Pete's sake? That's nearly a quarter million dollars.
41:49
Speaker 8: Well, you think it would, Especially if two people were involved,
41:52
Speaker 8: one's going to probably turn on the other for that
41:53
Speaker 8: amount of money. Also, if you've got family members or
41:57
Speaker 8: friends of the perpetrator, if they see he's missing, or
42:00
Speaker 8: if maybe he tests unaccounted for time, or something's going
42:04
Speaker 8: on with his life that they think is strange and
42:07
Speaker 8: might be linked to this, those are the people that
42:09
Speaker 8: need to call in and give the locals help on
42:10
Speaker 8: this thing, because they can't do it alone. There's only
42:14
Speaker 8: so much that physical evidence can do for you. There's
42:16
Speaker 8: only so much that circumstantial evidence can do for you.
42:18
Speaker 8: In a case like this, they do need some help
42:20
Speaker 8: from somebody.
42:21
Speaker 6: Now.
42:21
Speaker 8: They also may have more information than they're letting out,
42:24
Speaker 8: and they're keeping that close to the vest, and I
42:26
Speaker 8: get that, and that's definitely something that they want to do.
42:29
Speaker 8: But the mere fact that the trash bag information was released,
42:32
Speaker 8: and where the body was and the condition was in
42:34
Speaker 8: those are not good things to release because those are
42:37
Speaker 8: things that you want to keep close in the investigation
42:39
Speaker 8: to verify information when you're interviewing a suspect.
42:43
Speaker 2: John Bueller, I only pray that you are right that
42:47
Speaker 2: the local authorities know more than they are letting on.
42:52
Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about the
42:56
Speaker 2: disappearance of little Emily Pike, please call the local sheriffs
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Speaker 2: There's a nearly quarter million dollar reward for information regarding
43:30
Speaker 2: Emily Pike's killer. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,