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Path to Pet Wellness Book is Here with Dr. Jeff Feinman · The Bridges and Beacons Podcast

• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to the Bridges and Beacons podcast.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Kelly Meyerson, and today I'm speaking with my friend, Dr.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_00: Jeff Feynman.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: We spoke back in, I think it was around August 2024, and we'll be sure to link that interview in the show notes as well.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_00: But Jeff is a molecular biologist turned holistic vet and the founder of Holistic Actions, an online platform that is helping empower pet parents and transform pet care.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_00: Drawing on decades of experience in veterinary homeopathy and holistic medicine, he teaches conscious, compassionate communication and a heart-centered framework that helps pet guardians both heal their animals and nurture deep wellness.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_00: Jeff, thank you so much for joining me again.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for having me again, my friend.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: I love the work that you're doing.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I think we those of us who are really on our own holistic health journey, many of us are animal, plant, nature people, you know, have that holistic vision in terms of health and well-being for all.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: So when I first met you, I got so excited because traditional veterinary medicine, just like traditional medicine for human beings, at least in the sense of the past, we'll say 200 years, has really been more about illness than wellness and and treating the disease or the dysfunction rather than looking at it from a systems perspective.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I want to start by just can you give us a little bit of, let's say somebody is listening, give them a little bit of a sense of what it what makes it different to approach veterinary care from a holistic lens?
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for asking that question.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but first I'm going to define what I mean or what you mean by holistic lens, and that is the standard spelling, for example, is HL with nature.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_02: And holistic looks at the bigger picture and the whole versus what we learn in vet school.
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  SPEAKER_02: We learn a medicine of what really science is all about, which is reductionistic medicine.
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  SPEAKER_02: So what we need to do is kind of balance both holistic and reductionistic and take a holistic into the a step beyond the age.
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  SPEAKER_02: We can move beyond the age into the W.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_02: Where where holistic is called the W holistic, because that is what we're looking at because there are holistic vets and docs where it's all about the supplement or the food or the blood test or the really great thing to inform our bigger decision, but our bigger decision needs to be based on that holistic paradigm that's based in love, energy, mitochondria, you know, all kinds of things that that are outside of what we learn in in vet school are now coming into mainstream medicine.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_02: And the great news, Kelly, is that you can you and all pet parents can do it.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's gonna be probably at least a decade or two before this paradigm really is you know part of FET school curriculum.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_02: That's coming.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's coming.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_00: I I love that so much.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I think you're you're so right, adding the W back in.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: And as you were saying that, I was like, could the W be like well-being, you know, the W for well-being, bringing that, and when I think about well-being and I think of looking at things holistically, you know, not from a traditional medicine sense, but in in my practice in occupational therapy, our holistic view means that, you know, an individual operates within a variety of environments, in systems, family systems, group dynamics.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_00: And it's more dynamic than it is static, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So a child functioning in a classroom looks different than a child functioning in the community versus in their home.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_00: And looking at all of the places and spaces and people they interact with, plus the whole inner landscape and looking at how they're functioning is so important to me that I, you know, somebody will say to me, Well, this child won't sit still, for example.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: And for me, it's not like the function of a child is not to sit still.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_00: Stillness and sitting in stillness is so that you can, you know, have a meal with your family, participate in learning.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_00: So I think, I think I really feel such a true like kinship with what you're talking about here, because I never want to look at a child as a problem or the or a behavior.
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  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes there are things that individually need to be addressed, but sometimes it's like if you ask a fish to climb a tree, they're not gonna succeed, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So, and if we're measuring the fish in the tree compared to a squirrel, we have two different skill sets that function better in different environments.
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  SPEAKER_00: But we we don't want to put the squirrel in the water because they don't necessarily swim.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, all that to say that I I really appreciate what you're saying, and it it takes traditional pet care from the idea of are we giving them the medicine that they need in order to be healthy and cure them when they're sick, to how are we creating a lifestyle and joy and and to use the word that's behind you vitality with our pets?
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_00: How are we giving them vitality?
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_00: So I know we went deep into talking about BEAM in the first episode, but can you just take us through what BEAM stands for?
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's an acronym, and I love an acronym.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, then you're gonna like the book.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, the book is full of acronyms.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: I love all the acronyms.
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  SPEAKER_02: BEAM stands for the quality of life packages, so things that that we can see every day in our pets that reflect their quality of life and they are behavior, energy, appetite, and mood.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_02: And we can quantitatively give a beam score every day, actually when an animal stick have clients and members that do it, students that do it two, three times a day.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you can get pretty darn accurate.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_02: Responding, well, yeah, we're going the right direction.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_02: We went from seven to seven point two five.
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  SPEAKER_00: So for for the pet parents at home who are playing along, so we're looking at their behavior, their energy, their appetite, and their mood.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then how are we scoring each?
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  SPEAKER_00: What how many points does each get?
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh we we use a zero, which is no vitality and basically not alive.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the worst is zero, the best is ten.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_02: And ten is you know as good as you've ever seen your pet, sometimes even better than that.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_02: There are some pets that never get a 10, and there are some pets that know that are very, very sick that are 9.9s.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_01: Hmm.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_01: Hmm.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: So when you look at their at their score, are you scoring each area or looking at them as all of those pieces interplay?
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_02: Well, both.
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  SPEAKER_02: Each area, each area contributes to the overall score.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I love that.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: So starting with behavior, if somebody is looking at their pet, what are some of the behavior indicators that may show signs that there's a lack of vitality or a lower vitality?
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the I think one of the bigger ones is do they want to engage with you in life or do they want to go off and be on their own?
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, um, I'll give you an example of a dog I had a rescue that was very, very traumatized, and her behavior was to go be in a crate.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_02: If she was in a room and I went in the room, she'd go leave the room and be in the crate by herself.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_02: And that was the preference.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_02: But a normally engaged human being and animal, especially a dog, would like to be with you and they want to know what's going on, they want to engage in their environment so as behavior decreases, you know, and with behavior mood, those two go together, but as that decreases, they want to engage less and less and less, and everything else goes along with that.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: And what about in terms of energy?
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I I imagine, you know, I've had you know pets that are puppies and pets that are more on the elderly scale.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_00: Do do we find that the energy will shift over the lifespan?
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: And and like you said, like they could be at a nine, even though you know they compared to a puppy, maybe it would be like a two.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_02: Different, right?
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's score differently for a 14-year-old dog than it would be for a one-year-old dog.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, if my two-year-old rescue, you know, started limping and having lower energy and sleeping a lot, you know, I'd be very concerned to lower her beam right away.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_02: My 14, 15-year-old dog did that maybe not.
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  SPEAKER_02: But if that's out of the norm for the dog, that's a different thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's where beam comes in, you know, strongest.
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  SPEAKER_02: When you track it, you can watch the fluctuations.
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  SPEAKER_02: So when they're getting sick, before you actually see any physical symptoms, their beam is always, almost always gonna drop.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: I've definitely seen this.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_00: I have a little two and a half-year-old Kabapoo named Olive, and she's typically very energetic, loves to be with us, and she has a difficult time.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's it's something like an allergy.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like every once in a while she'll start chewing on her paws, and it becomes like an obsession.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I know I've heard some people say, like, sometimes it's it's an anxiety that they're they have a nervous energy.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: But looking at it sort of through the the beam, we notice sometimes like there's a shift in her mood.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: She's she's like more obsessive about chewing on her paws.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: She maybe doesn't want two meals a day, she's only eating one meal a day.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, her energy can be a little bit more like on the higher sense, but not bubbly puppy energy, like like anxious energy.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sure, sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So looking at that, you know, I'm sure like most pet parents, the first instinct is okay, let me see your pause, what's going on?
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_02: Well, she can ask she can ask you, does her being change before she starts chewing?
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_02: You remember if her being changes subtly before she starts?
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  SPEAKER_02: Because that's really the basis of the paradigm.
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  SPEAKER_02: Is that you know the chewing, the allergic imbalance, because allergy is an imbalance in the immune system.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a result of that imbalance, which is below a threshold.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_02: But then maybe there's a pollen or an anxiety outside, for some reason they start above the threshold and start to itch.
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  SPEAKER_02: And our job really is not really even, I mean, identifying the things that cause that trigger the itching are important.
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  SPEAKER_02: But our job really is to rebalance that vitality.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_02: Rebalance immediately you can do through the actions that are in the book, that are in the supplement that we can talk about a little bit today.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's interesting because I think you might think it's a beh just a behavior, but when we teased it out, we noticed changes in appetite, maybe some foods that you know sometimes are fine, but other times will upset her belly.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: She's always been like a little bit of like a very sensitive gut girly.
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  SPEAKER_02: And what does that mean?
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry to interrupt, but what does that mean?
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, like she would get an upset belly.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_02: Why do you think that happens?
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: I think when she eats anything that's a little too imbalance, imbalance.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, a dog should be is designed.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_02: We're talking about helping them to be the best they can be.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_02: They're designed to eat a wide variety.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_02: All of my students feed a different food almost every day.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_02: I feed 20 different things every day, you know, whether it's treat.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: You know, beam is one sign of balance, but BM bow movement is another sign of microbial balance and balance of the of the she.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_02: And I apologize for interrupting you.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: No, I love that.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's great.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the her bow movements is a challenge because you know, she has a strong preference to go for a walk and have a bowel movement versus like if we know she needs to go, like just being able to let her out.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: And believe me, if we can take her, we love to do that, but sometimes the moment doesn't allow for that, the busy schedules.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_00: So I know when when we can, we try to do that.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I really think about that as like that's part of what brings her joy.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's she she wants to use that walk and that, you know.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I know, you know, from working with children, like work with a lot of children whose bodies stay very still, and without that motility and that mobility, it affects their gastrointestinal system.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: So I wonder sometimes if it just helps her body to move by moving more, and that she she would prefer to do that, to go for a walk, to have a bowel movement, and then she wants to come back and have breakfast.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: So if we try to change that schedule on her, she's like, she'll turn away food, which I is a new experience for me because I've always had labs of different ilk and they will literally eat anything that's food and possibly not food.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: At least that's been my experience.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: At any time, yes.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: At any time.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: So it's just it's interesting to me.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: And you could think, like, oh, well, you know, get her to just conform to what the schedule is, but that's not putting her at the best for how she is most vital.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: And that my friend is what it's all about.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_02: And what I mean, you just said such a big mouthful because what you're describing is helping her align with her natural self the way she should be.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, our society does just the opposite.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_02: And of course, you know, our use of anti, you know, whether it's antibiotic against life or anti-inflammatory against inflammation, which is the process of life.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_02: You know, um, that's the basis for our understanding.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_02: Not that it's wrong, but it's a fragment.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like I say, you know, reductionistic medicine isn't wrong.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I love, I mean, as you said, I was a molecular biologist for a decade and conventional fat, and you know, I love that stuff.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_02: We need to bring into real life and and reframe a lot of these questions that you're bringing up, which is why I'm interrupting.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_02: We're not not even the questions, but well, of course it's analogy, and of course it's incurable.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_02: The reality is when you see an allergy for what it is, you can get rid of it.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: And it's interesting because even though I would say in New Jersey right now the allergens are increasing, I think because it's nice out, we've been going for more walks.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I and I see less of the chewing.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it's interesting.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's counterintuitive if you think about the fact that there are more and more triggers out there, but the reason it's not counterintuitive when you reframe it is because she's happier, she's engaging, she's practicing pranayama when she sniffs.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_02: And basically what she's doing is she's upgrading her mitochondrial function.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_02: The mitochondria are the source of vitality in the body.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: And mitochondria is the brain psychoimmunology.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I don't know if you ever read Anatomy of an Illness.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_02: We probably may have talked about that.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_02: It was a book back in the 50s and 60s by a journalist who had a life-threatening, crippling and painful disease, and he basically left it away by watching Kansas Camera reruns and Mark Smolder movies.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um he got sent.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_02: He was the N equal one, I guess, that led to what's now called psychoneuroimmunology, which is the connection of it all.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: And we look at UCLA, the UCLA Psycho Neuro Neuroimmunology Institute is named after Norman Cousins, the author of that book.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've actually I have not read the book, but I'm so familiar with his experiment and and the implications.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it's interesting because what you were saying earlier about, you know, we've got a little bit of time before everything catches up.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: If you think about, he was talking about that in the 50s and 60s.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: And if you know anybody who has been through any kind of you know, cancer treatment or extended illness treatment, there is a lot of mental health peace, mindset, massage, acupuncture, you know, traditional and untraditional therapies kind of existing together because the mindset has it's been understood that that mindset and and your capacity to understand your body's ability to heal despite what information is there about your your muscles, your cells, what's going on.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: That it's it's incredible to me that that now we are embracing that to an extent.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_02: We we definitely are.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_02: And oncology is the prime example.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_02: And that is exactly where quality of life began to you know, you know, uh raise its head.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, now it's beginning to go into more and more medicine, and vet med will gradually and does follow medicine in a lot of ways.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_02: I was in the ER with a cat the other day, and as the Vettiner nurse.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_02: was discharging a client that was worried about their pet.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_02: She was teaching her the conscious, compassionate communication method.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_02: Telling her how to breathe and you know it's all about being mindful and still and not to worry and to be in the moment.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, all those skills that our animals can help us learn.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: Which is which is you know a big part of thesis in the book is that the animals really are a gateway for our own health, our own improvement, our own alignment with with with what is with the present moment.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: That's so true.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I I can I can see that on a personal level I can see that you know in in stories and experiences with people interacting with animals and receiving you know not only the the health benefit the well-being benefit and demonstrating improvement in their own vitality through that time with that animal.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah for sure I mean the the health benefits also are well documented.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_02: Whether it's a reduction in blood pressure whether it's a reduction in blood pain on glucose or heart rate or just happiness.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_02: Aaron Beck, the founder of cognitive behavioral therapy before he passed said he was talking about people with serious dysfunction emotional mental dysfunction said that dysfunction gets better when they're in their sweet spot meaning when they're doing what makes them happiest.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_02: That is the basis for positive psychology and for path wellness.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_02: Because analysts are innately happy if they're not in their thinking brains they're in the moment and and that's why they can help bring us into the moment and out of our brains and into our body and into the the world around us.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: I love that I'm writing that down because I think that's animals are innately happy they're in the moment and they can help bring us there which I think is what really draws people towards having a pet and you know I know I've had pets who seem to have really high emotional intelligence and the capacity for you know being compassionate and empathetic when when you're having a difficult time and I think rather than looking at animals as sort of lesser than it's the idea that there isn't you know some people would say like the animal kingdom is they're they're lesser than the humans.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_02: The humans are hierarchical you know above animals that they do possess high intelligence and capacity for high emotions and that also is well well documented in all animals whether they're mammals or I know a friend of mine has that's working with a parrot I think it's got hundreds or thousands of words and can learn and yeah so yeah for for sure and and really in essence we're we're talking about they're intelligent we know that we know they're able to think but they're conscious and they're conscious of what's going on around them that same consciousness is in nature it's in all animals like you said animals are not below us they are our our kin and that's really what we're talking about is the kinship worldview.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: And that kinship worldview is the the worldview of every indigenous culture in the in the around the world certainly you know there's actually a great book called Returning to the kinship worldview and it's by a bunch bunch of essays and a bunch of different topics from different scientists around the world talking about how this is going to help us align which is really what it's all about better we align I mean you brought up the word or you said at the beginning that you know it's not static, it's dynamic.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_02: But life is a dynamic equilibrium always changing but always trying to maintain that balance.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_02: And we just have to view our animals in that way.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_02: And it's easy it's always we have it really it's easy and then they make it easy fun and you know you said happy I think I go beyond happy and say joy and love.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_02: My dog doesn't need me to do anything to be her joy.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_02: I just go outside she finds rock because I love that that's so true.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's so true.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: So it's 2026 there's a lot happening there's a lot happening in the world there there are definitely some factors that could challenge the approaches that that you teach and that I know we both believe in so how do we empower others to keep the support and keep the momentum going for movement towards more holistic practice that's a big question I know but maybe maybe baby steps for for people who feel really strongly and maybe feel a little bit stuck right now in terms of what they can do whether it's from a public perspective like what's going on in in the news financially just small steps for people to feel more empowered.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_02: And that is key right there because not going to touch on politics or finances or anything they have nothing to do with our animals except the way they affect us.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: And you know our our anxiety is going to affect them because we know it's all an energetic vibration that affects um the with the world all around us but I think the answer is just what you said and that is to become more empowered to stop giving our power away to you know doctors or veterinarians.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_02: I mean I go to the vet and I say oh that's interesting I gather the information they make the recommendations and then we go and have a therapeutic sniff walk or take a homeopathic medicine or a special hobby meal or and those things are almost all that our animals need to remain balanced and remain themselves because really what we're talking about is helping them return to what they were before we began intervening so much.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yes we do we do that don't we we do yeah that that's that's our job yes so I need to share with everyone your book that officially came out this year Jeff Path to Pet Wellness I have mine on my digital device but I know you have a hard happy I love it I love it so this is this is a passion project for you I know and I think what I love so much about the book not only that it's super accessible and easy to understand and teaches people through a number of gorgeous acronyms including DEM how to become more aligned as a pet parent to help but you also have so many beautiful stories of your own your own experiences your childhood your mom that I find are so relatable for other people so tell us about the book how how it came to be and of course how people can get a copy for themselves well I will answer your last question first.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_02: Perfect because the copy for themselves is you order anywhere online or go to holisticactions.com slash book and it'll bring you right there and you get all kinds of cool bonuses but yeah you can buy it whatever you like where did the why is this book now?
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_02: And when I think about it in this I did not realize until recently the book actually started in the late 1990s when I was in my first homeopathy class I just recently learned about homeopathy by rebalancing I was experimenting because the book is based on research observation my patients and reason and clinical research you know uh molecular biology type stuff cycleimmunology blah blah blah mitochondria and all that which by the way was all part of the book but they made me take it all out so now it's like you said it's more accessible and now I have no idea what is where I was going with that.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no I was in I was I discovered that there was more to medicine than what I I learned in vet school down homeopathy by rebalancing my own allergies and that's why I mentioned my surge because I've gotten dozens of little my surge experiments but I you know I my my nature is a natural curiosity and it really it's pretty extreme and you actually used to fuck my parents and my brother when it's like oh god anyway in the 90s Dr.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_02: Pitcairn that was teaching us um veterinary you know with the first class at the end of the first class he had us raise our hands about what percentage because most of us were already practicing you know as a veterinarian what percentage you're raising what you're practicing and I went up to him afterwards and I said I don't understand the question I mean this is good medicine rebalancing in the body getting the body to heal is good medicine you're asking us practically good medicine is not the book is just my way of of highlighting what good medicine is scientific wellness is all about because that feels scientific wellness is good medicine.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_02: I love that and that is not a term that I made up that is called the Institute for Systems Biology founder Lee Hood who actually wrote one of the textbooks that I used one of those in my immunology classes back in the 70s and 80s so it's it's a full circle but Lee Hood wrote something called 4P medicine and that is scientific wellness it's personalized predictive proactive participatory and that's what the book is all about all those four P's that was actually the one course Matt Gotten look so far as there are too many Ps in the book then you've got the four P's of symptoms as well but you know the symptom peculiar and problematic symptoms.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: Right that's okay I I love an acronym all the acronyms it's just I've just learned because I in a profession that also we use tons of acronyms I've just learned over time that you can never assume that your audience knows an acronym so we're just forever explaining you know writing reports the here acronym which stands for blah which means blah blah blah just to just to give people but I I do love an acronym because there's they're pretty sticky for people.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_02: You know beam will stick for people and and it's beam it's a good acronym because we want our pet to be beaming right it's like the beam of light it's like the beacon of light coming from the lighthouse putting us safety so yeah it's like the balance beam where we have to balance you know that dynamic ecolibum love it I love it this is where it gets so exciting and we'll definitely make sure we put the information about the book where you can get it and I know you also have many ways for people to engage with you.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: You mentioned the website holisticaons as another resource in place for people and you were showing me before we started recording that if you go into the book there's a code or QR that you can scan to give you more information.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'm scanning through my book to see if I can find it.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_02: You could probably catch it quicker than I get it it's at the very end of the preface.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_02: So it's right at the beginning and it just says scan me.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: Scan me.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_02: And we'll lead to 10 hours of videos and the master classes that we had before the book the fireside chats that we had before the book what they all do is they break down they're from they're with leaders from around the world so this this book is not does not exist in a vacuum it is the way we're all thinking nowadays.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_02: So the 10 hours like got 40 or 50 different people on it or actually 30 or 40 that are all thinking the same way we hone down into things like the conscious compassion communication method, mitochondria breathing that kind of thing and and then there are there are supplements about how to work with your vet and how to do all this on a day-to-day basis.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_02: Could you mention HA, which no HA ha no laughter is fundamental laughter playing singing being like a child so holistic action sacks is to teach the methods in the book.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_00: I love it I love this so much I appreciate you and um I want to give you a chance to just before we close just share one little piece of advice or thought to leave people with and what might that be what's what's coming to me today Kelly is that the most important thing is that we can think different there's another way I mean I know what that other way is yet but it's there and not to give up so if your dog goes into the the veterinarian wagging its tail and they're happy and they're eating but they get a really bad diagnosis and that says um we really can't do anything for you maybe the kind of thing is punch well I think your dog is saying I want to go home now please and yeah that that's what you want to do is so follow your animals cues think differently they think differently than we think as molecular biologists and veterinarians just think just know there are certain there's always options it's always um another way I love that thank you so much thank you for being here thank you for the the beautiful advice and I really encourage everybody to follow many of these resources um and thank you for taking us through the journey of some of the the books and individuals through I mean I think you took us through the 50s 60s 70s 80s 90s up to today you did so you took us a lot of really beautiful places to look and if we look at right now in 2026 we can be empowered both for ourselves and for our pets and you're definitely one of the resources and tools available to us so thank you again for being here Jeff and listener thank you for being here if this really spoke to you please share this podcast episode with people you know I'm sure if you listen to the Bridges and Beacons podcast and like me, you love animals, find the other people that love animals as well and share this with them.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I would say this book is a great gift to a new pet owner somebody who just adopted a pet, rescued one or somebody who has always loved animals and would appreciate the information and the connection so thank you again and we'll see you next time on the podcast.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_02: And thank you again thank you for the plug and see you all soon.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you Jeff all right take care everyone bye for now