Latest / Made of Stars / Moon News on International Moon Day
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- 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,880 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:08,680 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:13,360 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:30,640 5 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:57,280 We are made of stars. I'm Wes Carroll, joined by my good friend, 6 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:03,040 Dr. Sean Cruzen from Columbus State University's Coca-Cola Space Science Center. Morning, Sean. 7 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:10,120 Good morning, Wes. Good to be here with you today. Happy International Moon Day because 8 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:16,760 it is International Moon Day. We're going to be talking a lot about the moon today. 9 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:22,800 We'll talk a lot about the moon, and then we're going to talk about UFOs or UAPs or 10 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:28,520 little green men or people in Congress or whatever it is. We'll talk about that later, but 11 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:35,400 I want us to really focus on the moon for a little while. You see what Wes did there, 12 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:41,000 ladies and gentlemen? That's called a tease. That's going to get you to listen all the 13 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,760 way to the end of this podcast, no matter how tedious I make it for you in the meantime. 14 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:53,440 No, not tedious at all. Informative and entertaining. That's what I meant. Filled with enthusiasm. 15 00:01:53,440 --> 00:02:00,400 That is Sean Cruzen in a nutshell. Well, today there's a reason that it's International 16 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:08,160 Moon Day because this is a very significant anniversary today as we record this. It is. 17 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:13,480 It's the anniversary of Ronald Reagan making this Space Exploration Day in the United States 18 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:20,160 in 1985, apparently. Is that the anniversary, you mean? There was another one a few years 19 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:27,040 before that, something happened and tomorrow is also a special day as well, but something 20 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:33,360 else happened on this day. I don't know, 54 years ago. It's so hard when you have multi-day 21 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:38,120 events to figure out which day to actually party on. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's 22 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,080 true. That's why you should just party on all of them. 23 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,560 I mean, it's not a bad. You go ahead and just have it for a week. That's what they do with 24 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:50,080 Marty Grunner, right? I mean, it's party for I think that's like six months a long time. 25 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:56,080 Yeah, it's a lot. Ladies and gentlemen, the actual anniversary that we're talking about, 26 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:04,120 of course, is the first time that human beings ever landed on the surface of the moon in 1969, 27 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:12,400 Neil Armstrong, Edwin Buzz Aldrin, the eagle, it landed on the surface of the moon on 28 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:25,120 July 20th. Now, it also launched from Earth in the first place on July 16th, both very, 29 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:31,320 you know, reasonable days to go ahead and party, I would say, and celebrate that moon landing. 30 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,840 So turns out launch day doesn't really get celebrated that much, although we certainly hear about 31 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:44,880 it on this day back in 1969, Apollo 11, launched on this multi-day mission to land human beings 32 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:50,040 on the moon for the first time. Okay, so that was the 16th. And then we hear on this day back 33 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:58,000 in 1969, July 20th, human beings first landed on the surface of the moon. Let's make it a day. 34 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:04,360 Let's make it International Moon Day. That was commemorated by the United Nations back in 35 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:13,920 2021. And quote, they call it an international cooperation in the peaceful use of space. 36 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:18,920 So that's cool. That's what the United Nations General Assembly declared in their declaration 37 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:27,840 in 2021 on the landing anniversary of July 20th. And then also the great president 38 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:36,000 Ronald Reagan, as we mentioned moments ago, in 1995 declared this space exploration day, 39 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:42,280 likely national space exploration day, right? And so, so then we celebrate that anniversary 40 00:04:42,280 --> 00:04:51,040 on July the 20th. But let's not forget that Neil didn't step on the moon until the 21st. 41 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:56,920 So the actual first footprint on the surface of the moon isn't tell tomorrow, or at least 42 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:02,680 the anniversary of that. And so therefore, I'm planning on partying again tomorrow. You all 43 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,520 can come with me. Come on down here to the space science center. Well, I'll get together. 44 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:11,360 We'll crack open a case of Celsar water because we are a state facility for children. But anyway, 45 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:18,000 we'll party as hard as we can on Celsar water and commemorate the first footprint being 46 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:24,120 placed on the moon 54 years ago tomorrow, July 21st. 47 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:32,880 I just like that one of the sources that you reference here in this is Indian Express dot 48 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:39,440 com. And that just makes me really wish that there was an Indian food delivery service called 49 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:45,320 Indian Express. And I would order from them very regularly. That's that's what got my attention. 50 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:52,520 I mean, I understand human beings on the moon. That's fantastic. You know, people setting 51 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:58,400 foot on the moon. That's fantastic. International moon day and whatnot. That's all amazing. And 52 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,560 I love the fact that it's acknowledged as it's an international cooperation in the peaceful 53 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:08,720 use of outer space. But I'm hungry. It's about lunchtime as we record this. And if I could 54 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:15,560 just have some curry delivered quickly, I don't know, by Indian Express, that would be amazing. 55 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:20,160 I mean, could we have a commemoration of the international cooperation that led for 56 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:27,200 the peaceful use of curry and call it Indian Express day? That would be perfect. That would 57 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:32,200 be I mean, I think that's let's let's lobby for that. Yeah. Let's let's use this podcast as 58 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,040 a platform and lobby for that commemoration. I think that's a good idea. 59 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:41,720 Well, I can tell you where you can get some very good Indian food. That's India. And our 60 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:49,120 next story is about India as they're working towards a successful moon vision. Second, 61 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:55,600 launch attempt. I see what you did there. You as a broadcast professional segue these two 62 00:06:55,600 --> 00:07:00,640 stories together. Man, you I am. It's like going to school today watching you work, man. 63 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:07,440 It's awesome. I try, but really I'm just thinking about chicken, tick a masala, some kind 64 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:11,480 of a doll. Any of those things would be great right now. That's that's where my head is. 65 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:16,960 Maybe some kind of a paneer, maybe like a curried vegetable. I don't any of those things. 66 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:21,680 Alugoby would be great. All of that. I really wasn't hungry until we 67 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:28,640 did. I think I know what we're doing after we record. I'm feeling a bit peckish. Yeah. 68 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:34,600 Yes. So anyway, all right. So yes, let's talk about another India story. So India actually 69 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:43,080 a few years ago back in 2019, they tried to land a unpiloted rover, a vehicle that would 70 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:47,360 drive around on the surface of the moon and make measurements. And it turns out that that's 71 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:53,600 hard because it's rocket science. It turns out that landing on the moon is no easy task. 72 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:59,080 And they augured that baby in at a high rate of speed. Now it turns out that that's not 73 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:05,280 the only mission to do that because in roughly the same time frame, there was a mission from 74 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:12,840 Israel that also came in at a very high rate of speed, colliding with the surface and rapidly 75 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:18,320 ending that mission. It just so happens that my good friend Scott Norman and I were watching 76 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:23,200 both of those missions together in his office. We were watching the live coverage of both 77 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:29,640 of those landings. And so we've had to swear off watching landings together because we think 78 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:34,400 we might be personally responsible for these missions coming in. So the last one that 79 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,800 tried to go up there in soft land was a mission from Japan. We refused to be in the same 80 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:44,640 office. We watched the web stream independently in our own offices, but unfortunately got 81 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:51,280 the same result. The Japanese probe also slammed into the moon at a high rate of speed. 82 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:58,280 So here's the problem. The problem is landing on the moon is not easy. And now there has 83 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:05,840 been a lift off of another mission on July 14th. This time again from India, the space research 84 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:12,000 organization, the Indian Space Research Organization, ISRO launched what they call the Chandra Yon 85 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:21,720 3. Now Chandra, in case you don't know this, Chandra is the Sanskrit word for moon and Y-A-A-N 86 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:31,120 is the Sanskrit word for vehicle. So you see what they did there. It's a moon vehicle. 87 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:36,440 Some people are so creative and clever. Oh my goodness. It's a vehicle going to the moon. 88 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,720 Let's call it the moon vehicle. Hey, it gets the job done. It's a lot better than some 89 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:47,320 of our strained acronyms. That's all I'm saying. Very true. So anyway, the Chandra Yon 3 launched 90 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:51,920 on July 14th. It is now headed for the moon. It looks like it's going to be trying to attempt 91 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:58,040 a landing on the 23rd or 24th of August, depending on what time zone you're in, quite frankly. 92 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:04,200 And so then there is another mission on the way trying to land on the moon. And again, 93 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,320 there's been a string of failures. Now China did manage to land one of their missions 94 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:15,880 on the moon successfully, on pilot mission, a rover, and a drone, so to speak. But we're 95 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:20,840 looking forward to the next attempt at a moon landing and right here on International 96 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:28,240 Moon Day or the 54th anniversary of the first human moon landing on the moon. Launch commemorated 97 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,600 landing looks like sometime late August. We'll keep you up to date on that one. The only 98 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:38,600 three countries to successfully land on the moon with a soft touchdown landing are the 99 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:43,840 United States, China, and the former Soviet Union, which by the way means that Russia's 100 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:49,840 tried a couple of times and they have not been successful either. So, so distinguish between 101 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:56,880 Russia and the former Soviet Union. India, not the only country with plans for the moon 102 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:02,800 for the rest of the year. This last half, or it's we're now less than half of the year left, 103 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:08,000 but this could be pretty busy over the next several months with activity on the moon. 104 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:16,360 Yeah, and just furthering our moon commemoration stories, we are reaching a peak or a high point 105 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:25,160 in exploration of the moon by a variety of entities. First one is the Roscosmos. They say 106 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:30,640 they're planning to launch their next vehicle called the Luna 25. That plan for launch is 107 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:37,080 sometime in August. Okay, so that so we're looking for yet another Russian mission and they 108 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:42,640 have terribly successful. Right, so it's a difficult they haven't landed anything on the 109 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:49,160 moon since they were the Soviet Union. So yeah, it's it's one of those that will be watching 110 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:54,760 to see how well they've kept up with that technology and how well they're able to employ it. 111 00:11:54,760 --> 00:12:02,720 The next one after that looks like maybe the third quarter of 2023. That mission is called 112 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:10,680 the Nova CIM-1. It is not from NASA, although it is from the United States. It is from Houston, 113 00:12:10,680 --> 00:12:16,120 but it is not from the Johnson Space Center. It's from a company called Intuitive Machines. 114 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:21,080 They are a private organization and this is part of the commercial space effort that's 115 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:27,160 taking place in the year 2023 where lots of commercial entities are out there engaging 116 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:33,440 in space exploration. So so that's another interesting thing. In the fourth quarter of 2023, 117 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:39,040 yet another United States commercial company is going to be trying to launch a lunar 118 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:46,640 lander. This is the Paragren one mission. The Paragren one mission is from the Pittsburgh 119 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:54,240 based company Astrobotic Technologies. And so Astrobotic Technologies is going to be looking 120 00:12:54,240 --> 00:13:00,720 to launch their vehicles sometime in the latter part of 2023 on a Vulcan Centaur launch vehicle 121 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:05,160 and they're going to attempt a lunar landing. So we're really invading the moon here, right, 122 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:10,880 from many different angles. Now there was one more lander. I mean, I guess it still exists, 123 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:17,560 but it was scheduled to launch in August. And that's Japan. They have a mission from the 124 00:13:17,560 --> 00:13:23,920 Japanese Space Agency, Jaxa, called the Smart Lander for investigating the moon, or we know 125 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:32,880 it as slim. Now here's my one question that I had for my friend Scott Norman, which is 126 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:40,320 from the Japanese Space Agency. Why does it have an English paper? I don't understand it. 127 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:45,800 I, I, is it just PR? Is it just to get us to click? I don't know. Does it have a Japanese name 128 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:52,040 that something different? You know, I wondered that because I thought surely, because as you're, 129 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:56,520 you're saying the name of it and I'm thinking all of those words, I'm sure translate to 130 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:02,440 Japanese to quote the great Steve Martin. It's like they have a different word for everything. 131 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:07,760 They have their own language there. So I was wondering, I heard that. I was wondering how 132 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:13,360 that would line up. I don't know. Maybe they're just M and M fans, you know, slim is one of his 133 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,440 nicknames. So maybe they were just going with that and they thought, hey, it's possible. 134 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:22,120 Anything is also possible that they're, you know, they're keenly aware of all of the people 135 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:27,640 who are following their missions in the United States. And the acronym in Japanese was 136 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:32,880 some kind of other four letter word in English. So that's a possibility. That's true. That's 137 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:37,560 a good point. So they, I don't know that that's the case, but maybe they moved away from that. 138 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,120 Maybe they're marketing departments and hey, you know what that means in English, don't 139 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:45,800 you? And so they said, oh, yes, we can't name the mission that. So let's, let's just go 140 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:53,800 with an English acronym, smart lander for investigating moon, not the moon. Smart land, 141 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:59,640 smart lander for investigating moon, which does kind of make you think that it's a direct translation 142 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:04,240 of something, right? When you do that and you don't have the in it, it's like if you've ever 143 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:09,840 taken text and put it into a translator and then taken it and put it back through a translator, 144 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:15,680 it does come back with some very interesting translations with the way it works. Anyway, 145 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:21,320 maybe they'll figure out how to unput it off at some point and be able to, we didn't include 146 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:26,680 this in the chronology of moon launches for 2023 because they had a launch date, but they've 147 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:31,880 canceled it or in their language, as you just said, they put it off. And so we don't know 148 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:38,480 when, right? Is it put it off till, you know, later this year or is it after the first of 149 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:43,000 the year? We don't have that information at hand. It was just a moon lander that was originally 150 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:47,920 scheduled to launch in 2023. They may still be planning to launch in 2023. We just don't 151 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:53,960 know. So anyway, we'll be watching for the Japanese slim mission along with the other ones, 152 00:15:53,960 --> 00:16:00,600 Paragon, mission one, Nova C, I am one and the Luna 25 all following the Chandrayayan 153 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:06,320 three in a mass invasion of the surface of the moon, ladies and gentlemen, by robots from 154 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:07,560 the earth. 155 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:16,000 So this next story, it's, it's, it's pretty fascinating in that we know scientifically, 156 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:20,280 this all sounds interesting, but this concept of being able to direct sunlight in a way that 157 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:28,360 would allow us to extract water from the moon. What is, in this coming from a study? So what 158 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:33,840 is, what is the study about and is it something that seems possible as we start trying to 159 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:38,960 figure out? Obviously, we're, as we're looking at all these activity for the moon, it's because 160 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:46,800 eventually colonizing the moon is ultimately the goal for at least one country or two. That 161 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,960 seems to be the new space race right now is the US and China are trying to make that happen 162 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:56,880 in some capacity so that eventually Mars can be on the horizon. So water would be important 163 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:57,880 for colonizing. 164 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:04,480 Yeah. And this same trick can potentially work on Mars as well as from lunar soil. And 165 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:09,320 let's not forget that Russia also has designs on that, that lunar invasion as well. There 166 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:15,240 may just not be quite as far along as the United States and China as you mentioned. So if 167 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:19,560 you go to the moon and you plan on camping there for a while, what do you need to bring? 168 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,920 Well, you got to bring your Coleman lantern and your sleeping bag. 169 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,040 Some tang. But you, and you're tang, that's right. 170 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:30,800 Smoor supplies. Yep. I mean, absolutely that. Although I'm not sure if you're allowed 171 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:35,120 to make flames inside your Coleman tent. I don't know how that works. Hey, they were, they 172 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:39,920 were burning cigarettes in the movie Alien. We've discussed that on a previous show and, 173 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:45,760 you know, smoking while walking around with a flame thrower on a space vehicle. They did 174 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:50,400 it back then in the late 70s. Why can't they do it today? 175 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:55,720 It's so reasonable to do all of those things. So, but eventually you're going to need a 176 00:17:55,720 --> 00:18:00,040 drink of water. Eventually you're going to need some oxygen to breathe. And eventually 177 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:05,000 you probably want some rocket fuel so that you can get your rear end back off the moon 178 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:10,480 and get it back to the good green earth. All right. So is earth green or blue? I'm not sure. 179 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,960 Can't remember one of those two colors. Anyway, so you're going to want to come home 180 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:18,880 at some point. So where can you get? Do you have to take all those supplies with you? 181 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:23,240 Because man, that's a lot of packing. You know, it's like playing Tetris in the back of 182 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:27,360 your lunar exploration vehicle with the hatch open and, you know, trying to pack all 183 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:31,760 that stuff in there for the weekend. Or do you just want to find it when you get there? 184 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,640 This is called in C2 resource utilization, ladies and gentlemen. It means you don't have 185 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:41,200 to take your water with you. You just make it when you get there. Well, our good friends 186 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:46,800 from the Colorado School of Mines, Professor of Mechanical Engineering by the name of George 187 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:53,920 Sowers, has introduced a new concept in what's known as thermal mining of the surface of 188 00:18:53,920 --> 00:19:05,760 the moon, where large amounts of the compound H2O is trapped within the lunar soils. And 189 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:10,360 that could be released if you can heat it up enough. And then it could actually be gathered 190 00:19:10,360 --> 00:19:17,240 back again and made into water, which then can be converted to oxygen and hydrogen and all 191 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,720 the things you need for rocket fuel breathing and drinking. Okay. Well, cool. So how do you 192 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:27,280 get, but how do you heat up the lunar soil enough to do that? Well, you need basically the 193 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:33,120 temperature of a blast furnace. You need to be really, really hot. But here's what you do. 194 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:37,680 Have you ever done that trick where you took a magnifying glass and you let the sunlight 195 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:42,320 shine through the magnifying glass kids? Please don't try this at home without proper adult 196 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:46,720 supervision. In fact, you shouldn't even be listening to the show without proper adult 197 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:53,440 supervision. Don't say that kids can listen. Kids can listen, but mom and dad should be in 198 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,720 your butt. Alright, so just to explain the advanced concepts like magnifying glasses. Alright, 199 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:02,240 so anyway, so the if you let sunlight shine through a magnifying glass, the magnifying 200 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:07,280 glass can collect and focus down that energy from the sun onto a single spot and you could 201 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:11,920 perhaps set a blade of grass on fire or something like that or just at least make it smoke 202 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:17,840 a lot. So what if you did that with a giant magnifying glass and pointed it at the surface 203 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:25,920 of the moon and the soils that are there that contain small amounts of that water ice? 204 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:34,640 Hmm, well, perhaps you can liberate that water, collect the H2O molecules in some kind of 205 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:42,400 a cold trap and then you could turn that into liquid water with a proper compression and 206 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:48,320 you could have liquid water for the various uses that we just described. This new idea 207 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:54,400 was part of a of a NASA basically contest for new ideas about lunar exploration and this 208 00:20:54,400 --> 00:21:04,000 is one of the of the projects that one a mention or a place in that set of projects for 209 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:10,080 lunar exploration and so so way to go call our school of minds leading the way on how to extract 210 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:16,960 that very important molecule H2O. We really need that for when we go up there on the surface 211 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:25,360 of the moon. Coming up after a quick break, we got more UFO talk or UAP talk or whatever it is. 212 00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:40,240 It's UAP, we'll talk about that after this. 213 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:52,640 All right, it seems like every week we're talking more and more about UFOs or UAPs. 214 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:58,320 We know that the great George Norrie and coast to coast has been doing this for a really long time 215 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:03,760 but it's a very different conversation topic these days. What we try to do is talk about the science 216 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:10,720 side of it. We don't talk a lot about politics or political type things here on this show other 217 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:17,200 than when something comes along like a transition of power in the government in the US or in another 218 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,920 country, sometimes it happens. We've talked politics when we talked about the dynamics of the 219 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:27,040 International Space Station as Americans and Russians were there together and things in Ukraine were 220 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:32,160 happening. Occasionally it comes up occasionally we have to reference something political or something 221 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:38,400 that's going on in Congress. For a few weeks now, this has certainly been the, I guess, a couple of 222 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:47,200 months now more and more so. Now what's the latest on oversight, committees and discussions in 223 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:52,160 Washington as it pertains? Because we've got the speaker of the house now chiming in on all of this. 224 00:22:52,160 --> 00:23:00,240 So we're going, I mean, that's pretty high up. I mean, that's number three in order in power in 225 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:07,600 the US. It's president, vice president, speaker of the house. So we're getting close. We're getting 226 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:14,560 close to the president chiming in on this. They call him the trace. There's Uno, there's Ghost, 227 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,840 and then there's the trace. Yes. Speaker, I don't know what they call him. Anyway, so they should. 228 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:25,440 And you're right, West. This just in case anybody's wondering out there who might be listening, 229 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:34,720 this is not a political show. Just to be as clear about that as I know how to be. 230 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:44,800 We only talk about politicians and such when it impacts our understanding of the universe in some 231 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:51,120 manner, which it occasionally does. Like when the new president appoints a new director of NASA, blah, blah, 232 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:57,840 okay. The reason we're talking about it today is because there's a bipartisan effort. 233 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:04,320 Now, how often can you say that? We have Democrats and Republicans working together, ladies and 234 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:11,440 gentlemen. Yes, hysteria. We should just stop right there. Because that's a minor miracle that's 235 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:16,800 beyond science right there. Oh, wait, I'm talking about politics. I don't mean to do that. So here's 236 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:24,640 the idea. There are people on both sides of the aisle that want to get to the bottom of the UAP 237 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:31,440 concerns. What's a UAP? Well, you know it as a kid growing up as a UFO. And when you said the 238 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:36,960 acronym UFO, an identified flying object, you automatically met a vehicle with space aliens on 239 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:44,320 the inside. Well, that's never what UFO was in the beginning. UFO was simply, hey, it's something 240 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:52,080 flying around and we don't know what it is yet. So let's be clear that when I say UFO, I don't mean aliens. 241 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:57,520 I mean a UFO, something that's flying around that we don't know what it is. But because of that 242 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:05,520 association with so many 1950s Edward sci-fi movies, because of that or the like, because of that 243 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:12,400 association, you had me at Edward my friend. I'm all about it. I'm ready to fire up some planned 244 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:20,480 night out of space this afternoon. I'm in. I'm all in. Did they say the word UFO in plan nine? I don't 245 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:25,120 know. That was ever mentioned. They said a lot of words. A lot of words in that. There's a lot of words 246 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:31,120 there. All right. Anyway, so they had to DC had to change the conversation by changing the language. 247 00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:37,440 And they went with a whole brand new acronym, which is UAP, which at one point meant unidentified 248 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,760 aerial phenomenon, but they quickly had to change that because these suckers that they were seeing 249 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:49,200 started flying underwater. And now it's an unidentified anomalous phenomenon. That's what a UAP is. 250 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:56,160 I know folks for you regular listeners, we just talked about this last week. I think we may have 251 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:01,760 talked about it the week before. Why are Wes and Sean talking about this? Well, I think we're I think 252 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:09,440 we may have to develop a new a new little sub show on this podcast called they keep saying weird stuff 253 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:17,040 and DC. That could cover up what's happening. That could cover a lot of stuff. So we don't we don't 254 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,040 want to call it that, but yes, the keeps saying a lot of the name of our signal. That's a good point. 255 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:27,200 The name of our segment though for today and we may change we may refine this later. They keep saying 256 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:35,600 weird stuff and DC about UAPs. There you go. So what that does really, what it does, okay. 257 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:44,560 So here's what they're saying. Now listen, I don't want to get on this podcast and on our show that 258 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:50,400 we love and cherish and talk about crazy alien conspiracies. That's not what we do. If you're new to 259 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:57,520 the podcast, that's not what we do. But ladies and gentlemen, this is a member of the House oversight 260 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:08,240 committee and the Speaker of the House Kevin McCarthy saying I love to see whatever facts and 261 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,800 information we have. And I said he's a member of the House oversight committee. I'm sorry. That's 262 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,120 not right. The House oversight committee is presenting information. The Speaker of the House Kevin 263 00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:23,680 McCarthy is again quote, Kevin McCarthy saying I'd love to see whatever facts and information we have. 264 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:31,120 Well, here's what I can concur. We would too, sir. Those of us out here in the public. Why are you 265 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:37,600 spending so much of the public time talking about UAPs? We want to know what, I mean, do you have any facts? 266 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:45,840 We'd love to know. Or are we just, I hope no dogs are wagging tails or tails are wagging dogs or, 267 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:52,160 I hope none of that's going on. But okay. So at the same time that's happening, 268 00:27:52,160 --> 00:28:00,720 you have rear admiral John Kirby. He's retired from the US Navy. He is now the White House's 269 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:05,920 coordinator for strategic communications at the National Security Council. We used to refer to 270 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:11,520 that as a high level position, ladies and gentlemen, in our intelligence community. And we still do, 271 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:22,400 by the way, he was asked by the press at a briefing on Monday. Are these UAPs legitimate concern? 272 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:31,040 And his response was this quote, yeah, we wouldn't have stood up an organization at the Pentagon to 273 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:36,240 analyze and collect and coordinate the way these sightings are reported if we didn't take it seriously. 274 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:46,960 Whoa, but wait, that's not all. He had more quotes. Again, rear admiral retired John Kirby, 275 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:52,160 White House's coordinator for strategic communications at the National Security Council 276 00:28:52,160 --> 00:29:01,840 said this. Some of these phenomenon we know have already had an impact on our training ranges. 277 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:09,280 Okay, just pause for the quote for a moment. That's the places where top gun pilots are out there 278 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:15,120 flying around trying to get good at flying jets and engaging in combat. So I'll be reading 279 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:21,440 that quote again. Some of these phenomenon we know have already had an impact on our training 280 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:29,280 ranges. Pilots are out trying to do training in the air and they see these things. Unquote. 281 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:39,200 This is not some guy from Mouffan in his basement putting out conspiracy theories. That is your 282 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:45,760 strategic communications director for the National Security Council. He had more to say. He said 283 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:52,160 this, they're not sure what they are. These pilots and UAPs is what he's referring to. They're not 284 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:57,680 sure what they are, but they can have an impact on their ability to perfect their skills. So it's 285 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:04,080 already had an impact here. We just want to better understand it. We're not saying what they are 286 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:12,400 or what they're not. We're saying there's something that our pilots are seeing. We're saying it has 287 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:18,960 had an effect on some of our training operations and so we want to get to the bottom of it. We want 288 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:27,280 to understand it better. So yes, unquote. And yes, there is. Yes, it's a legitimate concern. 289 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:32,720 Answering the original question. Ladies and gentlemen, that's a quote from the White House 290 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,240 coordinator for strategic communications of the National Security Council who used to be a 291 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:43,600 who is a retired rear admiral from the US Navy. This is not a conspiracy theory. This is your 292 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:49,440 government speaking to you. So I'm not here saying, oh, we have an alien problem in the United States. 293 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:54,800 I'm not here saying any of that. What I'm saying is this is space news. 294 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:02,720 So I got to tell you it. I'm a feel compelled and say that that's a thing. 295 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:09,760 And we will continue to talk about it as long as they're talking about it in DC. And again, 296 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:16,720 trying to follow it up from a scientific perspective. You guys at the Coca-Cola Space Science Center 297 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:23,760 are winding down your summer and working your way back towards back to school, which means a few 298 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:30,160 different things for you guys there. I wanted to just offer a quick kudos to you guys. Two of my kids 299 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:36,000 were part of summer camps, robotics camps that you did. Both of my boys, I should say that, not 300 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,480 two of my kids. Both of my kids were part of two different. How about that? I only have two kids. 301 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:48,880 They were part of two different robotics camps and both had a great time. Loved it and just took 302 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:57,280 away some experiences, some memories and learned some things and had a lot of fun. And so kudos to those 303 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:04,080 and that's a regular thing that you guys do in the summer. So folks thinking about that way ahead 304 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,560 of time for next summer can look ahead to that and we'll be talking about that when we get towards 305 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,240 the end of next school year. But the beginning of a school year is about to be upon us. 306 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:18,800 Yeah, first of all, I'm very glad that they had a great time. I got to peek in on both of those 307 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:25,520 young men as they were having some adventures in our camp and particularly your older son who 308 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:31,600 is in our high school camp. He was having a great time in competition mode where all these teams 309 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:38,160 were working against one another. But in some ways together to refine the robots for investigating 310 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:45,920 the surface of Mars and they had a virtual surface of Mars and some robotics tasks to be able 311 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:53,120 to be accomplished on the surface of Mars that were all helping them learn about 3D printing, 3D design, 312 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:58,880 programming, robotics and some very fundamental engineering concepts. Building that next generation 313 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:05,520 of scientists, engineers and science educators here. So we're really happy that your children and 314 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:12,240 many other people got to engage in that robotics training over the summer. We just completed yesterday 315 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:18,000 a robotics training session for some of our CSU professors in the education area and then also 316 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,320 many of their students were able to be here. So that was another fun day for robotics here. So these 317 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,760 are the kinds of some of the kinds of things that take place at the Space Science Center in the 318 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:32,320 summertime when we're not directly engaging with a K through 12 audience from schools in the area. 319 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:37,440 But we are, as you mentioned, looking forward to that time, schools starting back up and we are 320 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:42,320 putting in some new exhibits into the exhibit gallery of the Space Science Center. We'll be finishing 321 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,560 those off by the end of the summer. And so I'm not going to tell you what those are quite yet. We'll 322 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:51,200 talk about those more in the podcast as they evolve. But just know that if you're a regular visitor 323 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:57,120 to Space Science Center, there are going to be some cool new brand new fun exhibits in our exhibit 324 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:02,960 gallery. Hands on, fun things to be able to do starting right after Labor Day when the school gets 325 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:08,800 going again. So make sure and come down and visit us and follow us on Facebook and also check out the 326 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:14,720 website. I'll give you the website address is it's a WWW for the old school folks out there like me. 327 00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:25,600 And then ccssc.org. There's a dot in between, by the way, www.ccssc.org. Charlie, Charlie, Sam, Sam, 328 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:37,440 Charlie dot org. Thanks for listening and we'll do it again next week. 329 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,960 330 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:48,160 331 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:53,760 332 00:34:53,760 --> 00:35:04,160