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Chuck and Buck 10-23 Hour 3: 12th Man roundtable with Gregg Bell & Hugh Millen · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: Hey, good morning to you.
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Speaker 2: Happy Thursday, Chuck Poll and Ashley Ryan with you Bucky
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Speaker 2: out today. But you know something, we have skipped a
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Speaker 2: couple of thursdays with our twelfth man roundtable. We got
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Speaker 2: a lot of catching up to do. I got to
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Speaker 2: find out how the kids are doing in Greg's world,
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Speaker 2: I got to find out how life is and Hugh
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Speaker 2: Mill in Manor. So we got a lot of things
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Speaker 2: to catch up on here and we got to talk
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Speaker 2: some Seahawks football with our guys here for the next hour.
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Speaker 2: So Hume Mill and our QB one ore Seahawks inside
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Speaker 2: of Greg Bell with us here this morning on a
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Speaker 2: by the way, a crazy day in the National Basketball Association.
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Speaker 2: And you know, I just had a sales guy come
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Speaker 2: in and say, do you think maybe that this is
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Speaker 2: why the NBA put the brakes on expansion? They knew
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Speaker 2: that they were going to be dealing with this storm.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, that's not a bad idea, Thanks sales guy.
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Speaker 2: I'll go back and sell. And then I thought, well,
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Speaker 2: maybe I should bring this up to Greg and Hugh
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Speaker 2: because I'll start with you, Greg, in light of what's
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Speaker 2: happening today in the NBA, do you think other leagues,
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Speaker 2: most notably the National Football League, are sitting here this
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Speaker 2: morning like Roger Goodell's got the order out to you know,
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Speaker 2: mind all p's and q's burn receipts, you know that
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Speaker 2: sort of thing. Do you think there's a little panic
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Speaker 2: going on with the other leagues wondering if that finger
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Speaker 2: is going to be pointed at them anytime soon.
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Speaker 3: No, I think they're copping the receipts of the money
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Speaker 3: they get from the advertising deals and the partnerships that
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Speaker 3: they have with betting. And this is the danger that
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Speaker 3: when you get in bed with the betting community. Everybody
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Speaker 3: around the NFL, around in the NBA, around Major League Baseball,
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Speaker 3: around the NHL talks about is bombarded with, inundated with
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Speaker 3: and benefit in profit from betting. Yet if a player
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Speaker 3: gets into it, oh holy cow, how did this happen?
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Speaker 3: They're trying to do two things at once. They're trying
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Speaker 3: to be having a partnership with the betting community. Fantasy
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Speaker 3: football is an extension of this. Yet they're trying to
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Speaker 3: say players, you can't get any of this will all
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Speaker 3: as the league and owners and the people who make
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Speaker 3: these contracts to advertise will benefit, But those who play
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Speaker 3: the game, of course, can't benefit because that would destroy
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Speaker 3: the integrity of the game. Pete Rosel, back when I
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Speaker 3: was first starting in this, and you remember Pete Rosel,
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Speaker 3: he was adamant that he would never put a team
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Speaker 3: in Las Vegas, and he would never do what has
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Speaker 3: become the modern day NFL of partnering with betting operations.
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Speaker 3: Because of this, he knew that he couldn't. It would
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Speaker 3: be two faced and also practically impossible to marry themselves
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Speaker 3: with the betting community and all other aspects except the players,
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Speaker 3: and then tell the players, no, you can't do this.
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Speaker 3: And then the NBA is finding this impossible. And I'm
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Speaker 3: the NFL is a pretty powerful organization, and I'm not
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Speaker 3: I would not be. This is pure supposition for me,
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Speaker 3: but I have a reason to believe it that this
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Speaker 3: is going on in the NFL. But the NFL has
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Speaker 3: enough people to tamp this down and make sure it
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Speaker 3: doesn't get out. This is everywhere, and then they're trying
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Speaker 3: to put the genie back in the bottle after it's
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Speaker 3: well out. It's hypocritical that they take their money from them,
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Speaker 3: and then they pound the people that the players if
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Speaker 3: they get involved in it at any time. The NFL's
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Speaker 3: rules are, by the way, pretty clear. If you're a
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Speaker 3: team employee, if you get any money from the team.
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Speaker 3: We're talking John Boyle, Seahawks dot Com, the assistant PR guy,
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Speaker 3: the guy who mows the lawn at Seahawks headquarters. If
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Speaker 3: you get any money from the Seahawks, you're not allowed
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Speaker 3: to bet on professional games in profit from that's period,
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Speaker 3: point blank. And they've tried to make that a car
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Speaker 3: blaunch thing. Yet the owners in the NFL benefit from
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Speaker 3: it monetarily.
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Speaker 2: Here you played, you were in a clubhouse, you were
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Speaker 2: operated under these rules. So what are your thoughts about
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Speaker 2: one way down today in the NBA and how it
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Speaker 2: might relate to the National Football LEA because gambling very
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Speaker 2: prevalent obviously in this sport.
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Speaker 1: Well, I agree most of what Greg said, well articulated.
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Speaker 1: I would just say from where we might differ, I'll
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Speaker 1: just say, as a player, my sense, you know, as
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Speaker 1: a journeyman bouncing around. So I was in a lot
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Speaker 1: of locker rooms, and there's kind of two hard and
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Speaker 1: fast rules, one internal one external that are just their
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Speaker 1: non negotiables. Internally, don't steal, you do not steal the
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Speaker 1: locker rooms are open, do not steal, and then externally
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Speaker 1: can't gamble.
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Speaker 3: Very simple.
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Speaker 1: I don't see why it's a hard rule to understand.
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Speaker 1: I don't see why it's a hard rule to fall.
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Speaker 1: The league's credibility rests on fans believing that every single
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Speaker 1: play is honest competition, and UH, I think it's it's
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Speaker 1: pretty axiomatic. And so I think that players, Yeah, I greg,
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Speaker 1: I think that they're you know, the players ideally some
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Speaker 1: of the contracts that they're receiving. UH is indirectly, you know,
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Speaker 1: from a result of the popularity of the of the league,
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Speaker 1: and the popularity of the league is is uh in
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Speaker 1: a growing extent when you consider fantasy football. Gambling is
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Speaker 1: a big part of that. We can understand that. But look,
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Speaker 1: you're either grown ass man and you can understand these
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Speaker 1: terms and operate within them UH in manners that are
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Speaker 1: uh you know, you know, in accordance with the law
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Speaker 1: and permissibility within the league, or you can't. And if
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Speaker 1: you can't, it's a hard out. You're gone. And so
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Speaker 1: I I think that the the the NFL is unequivocal
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Speaker 1: in how they they declare this proclamation to the players.
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Speaker 1: And if the players don't want to find it. Guess what,
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Speaker 1: I hope law enforcement. I hope the NFL. I hope
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Speaker 1: everybody there's security on the teams that are finding these
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Speaker 1: guys out no talents, you're gone for You're gone for good.
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Speaker 1: And if you do it enough in a way that's criminal,
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Speaker 1: you're going to be in prison. I don't I don't
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Speaker 1: think it's a hard thing to understand.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like the way you put that,
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Speaker 2: all right, Hugh Millan, Greg Bell with us. It's our
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Speaker 2: twelfth Man round table. This was just in reaction to
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Speaker 2: the big news story of the day. But we have
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Speaker 2: gathered here to talk to some Seahawks football and we
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Speaker 2: haven't done it in a couple of weeks. So let's
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Speaker 2: get to it and you. I'll start with you. Here.
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Speaker 2: You sit at the bye week. You got a five
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Speaker 2: and two football team, which puts you near the top
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Speaker 2: of the entire conference. You had some difficulties a couple
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Speaker 2: of weeks ago defensively, but got back to playing some
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Speaker 2: Mike McDonald defense in the last couple of weeks. You
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Speaker 2: haven't played the toughest schedule in the world, but it
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Speaker 2: hasn't been a soft one either. And here you sit
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Speaker 2: off to a pretty good start. So how are you
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Speaker 2: feeling about the Seahawks five and two heading into the
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Speaker 2: bye week?
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Speaker 1: Well, I think that they're right there in a clump.
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Speaker 1: If there's a horse race, what's the uh, what's the
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Speaker 1: half pole whatever? You're almost halfway there, and and there's
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Speaker 1: only one team that's ahead of you, the Packers at
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Speaker 1: four to one and one. So that's a half a game.
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Speaker 1: There's a bunch of teams clumped up at five and two.
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Speaker 1: You're a playoff team if the playoffs started. Now, I
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Speaker 1: think you're you know, you've you've operated without a good
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Speaker 1: portion of your secondary.
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Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 1: They they've never really had everybody other than the first
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Speaker 1: four plays before nick Eman Worry was injured. And so
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Speaker 1: I think the idea of getting Witherspoon back, of getting
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Speaker 1: your quarterback of your secondary back, Julian Love, I really
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Speaker 1: like where this football team is. And and I I
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Speaker 1: look at at football in five phases about twenty percent, Uh,
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Speaker 1: how you run the ball, how you throw it, how
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Speaker 1: you defend the run, how you defend the pass, and
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Speaker 1: and special teams. And let's just set special teams to
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Speaker 1: the side. I think that the best part of their
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Speaker 1: team is their their rush defense. I mean they're number
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Speaker 1: one in rushing yards per game, fewest yards, they're number
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Speaker 1: two in fewest rushing yards per attempt. H. Then from there,
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Speaker 1: I think the next best is is how they pass
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Speaker 1: the football with Sam Donald. I'm not going to go
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Speaker 1: all through all the stats, but I'm looking at a
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Speaker 1: lot of stats with Sam Donald, uh in the top five.
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Speaker 1: Then I think then comes past defense and and and
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of things to be excited about with that,
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Speaker 1: as we said, with the secondary coming back, and then
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Speaker 1: and then the rush offenses. I think of those five phases,
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Speaker 1: if I'm right on that, I think that's the worst.
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Speaker 1: The run percentage, the percent that they run the football
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Speaker 1: is is highest in the league. They're number one at
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Speaker 1: forty nine percent of all plays. Their rushing yards per
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Speaker 1: game is only nineteenth, rushing yards per tempt is only thirtieth.
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Speaker 1: So I think there's some areas to improve and and
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Speaker 1: they'll be looking to do that. But I think that
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Speaker 1: the Sea Arks are well positioned.
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Speaker 2: I'd ask you, Greg, where do you think the team
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Speaker 2: feels most satisfied and where are they still really concerned
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Speaker 2: what area of the football team well?
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Speaker 3: First, Chuck I was going to start the whole show,
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Speaker 3: but because you've just disowned football the last couple weeks.
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Speaker 3: It's one hundred yard field and they play eleven on
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Speaker 3: each side to put the ball across the goal. On
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Speaker 3: you and I have been staying in football the time.
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Speaker 3: We just wanted to crush you and you're brown. Thank you,
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Speaker 3: thank you well.
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Speaker 2: Appreciate this, Appreciate the update, the refresh.
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Speaker 3: That's football one on one in the nutshe Chuck. We
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Speaker 3: talked about it since they hired Clint Kubiak, that they
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Speaker 3: they were going to run the ball, come hell or
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Speaker 3: high wak, they were going to run the ball into
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Speaker 3: brick walls and they were going to be times fan
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Speaker 3: of going why are they running the ball? And the
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Speaker 3: statistics a huge just articulated is exactly that they lead
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Speaker 3: the league or second and lead the league and rushing
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Speaker 3: attempts and how often they run the ball. They're damn
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Speaker 3: near fifty to fifty, which nobody in the NFL is
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Speaker 3: even close to. Yet they're thirtieth in yards per carry.
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Speaker 3: You're running at the most and you're gaining the least yards,
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Speaker 3: but when you're running it the most. The math doesn't
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Speaker 3: even math that they're nineteenth and rushing. It just doesn't
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Speaker 3: make sense to me because when you watch them play,
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Speaker 3: they're going nowhere in the run most of the games.
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Speaker 3: They've only had one one hundred yard rushing game. That
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Speaker 3: was by Kenneth Walker in Week two at Pittsburgh. They
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Speaker 3: had one hundred and five yards, seventy nine of them
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Speaker 3: in the second half, So they really haven't functioned in
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Speaker 3: the run game except for one half of one game
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Speaker 3: out of seven, how they're designed to. In that game,
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Speaker 3: he had thirteen carries for one hundred and five yards,
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Speaker 3: so they were chunk runs in the second half against
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Speaker 3: the steel that allow them to pull away for a
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Speaker 3: fourteen point win. The point is they're winning despite themselves.
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Speaker 3: They're winning despite how they are designed to and need
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Speaker 3: to play offensively. And I'm still going to say this
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Speaker 3: until we see otherwise, and we'll find out. And they
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Speaker 3: play the Rams for the first time on November sixteenth,
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Speaker 3: they ain't beating the Rams in the forty nine ers,
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Speaker 3: they're not getting home playoff games. They're not winning the division.
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Speaker 3: Then again, anywhere they want to go until they run
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Speaker 3: the ball, and they have to run the ball against
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Speaker 3: the forty nine ers and rams to keep those defensive
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Speaker 3: fronts honest or else it's going to be everyone in
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Speaker 3: on Sam Darnold and his watch his efficiency go down
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Speaker 3: from seventy plus percent that it's been so far this year.
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Speaker 3: So they're encouraged by that. They're encouraged, as you said
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Speaker 3: that they have not had their entire defense, especially their
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Speaker 3: starting defensive secondary hole since the fifth play of the season,
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Speaker 3: the fifth play of the season, when nick Evan Moorey
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Speaker 3: went down with the high ankle spring when DeMarcus Lawrence
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Speaker 3: that was his fourth play. It was the team's fifth play,
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Speaker 3: but it was Nicky even Worey's fourth play. That fifth
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Speaker 3: play of the season is the last time they were whole.
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Speaker 3: Devin Witherspoon got hurt that day running into Josh job
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Speaker 3: on an interception he's had and bruce knee that he's
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Speaker 3: been going off site to get tests and seeing if
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Speaker 3: it can get better quickly. It hasn't now the last
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Speaker 3: three weeks. Julian Love's missed with hamstring. When Nicki mcmurrey
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Speaker 3: came back, Love and Witherspoon went out, and then Rik
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Speaker 3: Wollan had a concussion. Ric Wollan might have been traded
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Speaker 3: by now if he wasn't hurt, you can't trade a
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Speaker 3: guy who's hurt. That's a league rule, of a players'
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Speaker 3: union rule. When they get Witherspoon and Love back, which
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Speaker 3: it looks like it's going to be at Washington the
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Speaker 3: next game November second, then they'll be whole on defense.
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Speaker 3: Their defensive front has kept them afloat to get the
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Speaker 3: pressure it has gotten off and without blitzing the seven
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Speaker 3: sacks at Jacksonville being the prime example of that. To me,
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Speaker 3: the MVPs of the team have been the front four guys,
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Speaker 3: Leonard Williams, DeMarcus Lawrence, Byron Murphy, Jared Read. They're the
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Speaker 3: MVPs of the first seven games because without them, teams
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Speaker 3: would have thrown like Baker Mayfield every week on them,
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Speaker 3: and they have nobody need.
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Speaker 2: I think we may have lost, Greg, Greg Froz on
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Speaker 2: us areas.
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Speaker 1: All right, all right, man, all right.
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Speaker 2: Hugh, I don't know if you Yeah, I got a
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Speaker 2: lot to jump off on there, so just go where
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Speaker 2: you want.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, well, a couple of things. Let's get a
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Speaker 1: little bit granular on the rush offense, because we heard
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Speaker 1: all summer and we heard when Clint Kubiak was signed
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Speaker 1: about the outside zone. Uh, and we've I think we've
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Speaker 1: discussed some of the schematics of that, but let's let's
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Speaker 1: kind of do a review since we're in the bye week.
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Speaker 1: So the Seahawks in terms of their outside zone percentage
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Speaker 1: at twenty five point two percent. That's seventh in terms
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Speaker 1: of the percent that's fifty one attempts, so they're at
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Speaker 1: about seven point three outside zones per game. Their average
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Speaker 1: now they're their overall average is three point seven, which
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Speaker 1: includes that outside zone, but the outside zone average gets
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Speaker 1: a little better. It's four point two. That's eighteenth. By
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Speaker 1: the way, as a percentage, Bezon Robinson is the king.
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Speaker 1: He's at fifty seven percent of all of his runs
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Speaker 1: are outside zone. So the Falcons have majored in that.
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Speaker 1: Just to put that into context. So obviously that if
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Speaker 1: you take away the outside zone, uh, that three point
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Speaker 1: seven is gonna go even worse, and they're thirtieth in that.
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Speaker 1: But let's talk about Canine versus zach Sarbonnes. If you
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Speaker 1: go all running backs of twenty attempts or more on
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Speaker 1: the outside zone, Canine at five point five yards per
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Speaker 1: attempt is fourth, and there are nineteen running backs who
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Speaker 1: have twenty or more outside zone. Zach Sarbonney averages one
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Speaker 1: point nine yards on the outside zone. Now it's just
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Speaker 1: sixteen attempts, and maybe he's had some bad luck, but
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Speaker 1: the you know, the gap between five point five and
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Speaker 1: one point nine Zach Sharbonnay is the lowest of all
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Speaker 1: qualifying running backs who've had the outside zone. So I
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Speaker 1: think that that something that they might consider, like the
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Speaker 1: they're a poor running team, but they're average at the
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Speaker 1: outside zone, but they're good with canine running. So if
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Speaker 1: we want to just kind of filter that thing, one
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Speaker 1: could be led to the hey, let's get some more
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Speaker 1: outside zones going with knine. Now you'd say, well, if
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Speaker 1: you have a greater frequency, are you going to be
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Speaker 1: as effective? You're going to be a five point five.
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Speaker 1: I understand that, but but it's something that we discussed
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Speaker 1: a lot the outside zone, Greg and and and that's
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Speaker 1: kind of the assessment of where we are. They're they're
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Speaker 1: poor otherwise, they're middle of the road, uh in the
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Speaker 1: outside zone, but they're they're pretty darn good with canine
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Speaker 1: at it.
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Speaker 3: And again it bears mentioning again they are any maintenance
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Speaker 3: program with Kenneth Walker, they're not playing him as they
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Speaker 3: wish they could. Good, they're playing him as they have to.
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Speaker 3: He's had a foot issue that's related to the ankle,
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Speaker 3: the high ankle sprain, and he put him on injured
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Speaker 3: reserve at the end of the end of last season
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Speaker 3: in December, and they're trying to get him through seventeen games,
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Speaker 3: and he's really held bet on getting through seventeen games
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Speaker 3: because it is a contract year for him. Every week
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Speaker 3: is on audition for him to get a job somewhere
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Speaker 3: else next year for a new contract and may not
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Speaker 3: be in Seattle. So it drives fans nuts. I get
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Speaker 3: texts from friends during games and people on Twitter ask
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Speaker 3: me why are they replacing Walker in the middle of
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Speaker 3: drives And he'll go Casper after a couple of six
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Speaker 3: yard runs and then you don't see in the rest
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Speaker 3: of the drive. It's because they don't think they can
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Speaker 3: give him a full twenty plus carries seventy percent of
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Speaker 3: snaps in a game that he won't last if healthwise
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Speaker 3: his footworm hold up. And that's why you've seen Sharb
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Speaker 3: not to mention that. They of course, Charbona is the
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Speaker 3: second the two minute back. Charbona is offen the third
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Speaker 3: down back, and in NFL games, third down and too
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Speaker 3: met drills often become a preponderance of your snaps. Then
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Speaker 3: that's how Kenneth Walker ends up with fewer snaps than
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Speaker 3: the less productive Jack Sharboning. To me, when I watch
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Speaker 3: him without the numbers, charbon At seems a little less
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Speaker 3: decisive and sometimes a lot less decisive cutting into the holes.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes Walker's too decisive. There were a couple times against
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Speaker 3: Houston where he just cut before the hole even developed,
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Speaker 3: before the lineman even got to their assigned gap. But
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Speaker 3: suffice to say that the run game is broken because
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Speaker 3: the offensive line is not pushing guys out of the hole.
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Speaker 3: The zone blocking scheme, you get an assigned spot, you
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Speaker 3: have to be there at time and place when the
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Speaker 3: running back marries up with the timing of the play,
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Speaker 3: and if you don't move guys out of the hole,
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Speaker 3: they're not going anywhere. And that is the simple explanation
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Speaker 3: for what's wrong with the run game. They are worth searching,
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Speaker 3: is what Mike McDonald says, which means they are going
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Speaker 3: to revot. They are reevaluating it. That's byweek the type
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Speaker 3: of runs they're calling. The situation since they're calling them.
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Speaker 3: They need an overhaul, and they also need their outifitsive
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Speaker 3: linemen to do their jobs, which they haven't done in
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Speaker 3: pretty much most of the last decade.
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Speaker 2: Well, I can think of a couple of guys that
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Speaker 2: are masking the inefficiencies in the run game, and I
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Speaker 2: want to talk about them in the next segment and
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Speaker 2: talk about who might be emerging as the next Sea
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Speaker 2: Hawks star as well. We've got Greg Bell, We've got
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Speaker 2: Hugh Millon. Turns out football still is around. That's what
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Speaker 2: Greg is letting me know that it didn't go away
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Speaker 2: in the last couple of weeks.
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Speaker 1: So I guess we'll talk about it.
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Speaker 2: Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. Oh, it's Thursday,
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Speaker 2: the twelfth Man Roundtable. Our QB one You Millan is
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Speaker 2: with us. Our Seahawks insider Greg Bell is with us.
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Speaker 2: It is bye week, but by gum, we're going to
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Speaker 2: talk some Seahawks football for an entire hour here today.
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Speaker 2: And so we kind of finished off talking about a
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Speaker 2: couple of the deficiencies of this team and still not
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Speaker 2: being able to establish the run this season, injuries in
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Speaker 2: the secondary, a pass rush that disappeared against the Tampa
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Speaker 2: Bay Buccaneers. But boy, here you cover up a lot
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Speaker 2: of warts when you've got the number one rated quarterback
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Speaker 2: in PFF and you've got the number one wide receiver
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Speaker 2: by two hundred yards in the National Football League, Sam
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Speaker 2: Donald and JSN. I think, in an honest moment, John
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Speaker 2: Schneider has to admit they're even better than I thought
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Speaker 2: they were going to be. Yeah, I totally agree.
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Speaker 1: And you look at the yards per attempt Sam Donald
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Speaker 1: number one, yards per completion number one, and then when
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Speaker 1: you go percentage of completions that are ten or more yards,
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Speaker 1: Sam Donald's number one, fifty eight percent. I'm gonna mention
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Speaker 1: number two for obvious reasons. It's Michael Pennix at fifty
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Speaker 1: two point one percent. The gap between one and two
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Speaker 1: is greater in the gap between two and seven. That again,
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Speaker 1: you know, so he's pushing the ball down the field
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Speaker 1: that I actually had in the stat portal that that
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Speaker 1: I actually the NFL has a they have a category
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Speaker 1: called checkdown. His checkdown percentage, now that would be subjective.
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Speaker 1: That's somebody going through and he is. He's thirtieth so
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Speaker 1: meaning meaning he he had out of thirty two quarterbacks,
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Speaker 1: he's checking down almost the least. His off target percentage.
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Speaker 1: Here's another one. The average in the NFL is ten
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Speaker 1: point four percent of quarterbacks have off target and even
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Speaker 1: with Darnold pushing the ball that the greed that we're
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Speaker 1: talking about, his off target percent is six point three percent.
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Speaker 1: That's number two in the end. NFL like you just
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Speaker 1: the longer you pour over the stats, the more you're looking. Said,
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Speaker 1: this guy's having a hell of the season, and Jysn,
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Speaker 1: what can you say? I thought there might be a
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Speaker 1: concern whether he could win on the outside to the
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Speaker 1: level that he was winning on the inside. I thought
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Speaker 1: he's an elite inside guy, but maybe just kind of
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Speaker 1: slightly above average outside. Well, I can kind of table
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Speaker 1: that concern for a long time because he's just shown
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Speaker 1: he can do it all. I think the only concern,
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Speaker 1: Greg is that that if when I envisioned the Seahawks
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Speaker 1: reaching their ultimate potential and whatever that means, and obviously
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Speaker 1: we're talking about how that might play out in January
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Speaker 1: and maybe even hopefully February February. I just I cannot
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Speaker 1: get my arms around that this is the best ratio
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Speaker 1: when when you had JSN had fourteen targets the other
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Speaker 1: night and Cooper Cup had one, the other starting receiver.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they're realizing their highest potential. So that
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Speaker 1: would be my one concern in the passing game is
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Speaker 1: is it too much JSN center?
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Speaker 3: And when you ask Darnold about that, he says, these
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Speaker 3: are my progressions. I asked him why he threw on
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Speaker 3: fourth and one on a rollout. He had Barner in
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Speaker 3: the flat in the third I think it was the
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Speaker 3: third quarter against Houston, had Barner in the flat, and
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Speaker 3: then he had JSN on an eighteen yard out route.
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Speaker 3: He threw the eighteen yard out route and converted it
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Speaker 3: and they got a touchdown in that drive. I think
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Speaker 3: it was a touchdown on drive. I was watching two
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Speaker 3: games at once that night. So the point is he's
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Speaker 3: going to Smith and Jigby even when the play, I mean,
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Speaker 3: most quarterbacks are going to throw the three yard out
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Speaker 3: route there. He said on that particular play he thought
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Speaker 3: the linebacker would tackle Barner immediately and he had less
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Speaker 3: of a chance of getting a first down than JSN
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Speaker 3: beating his guy Smith and Jigba was beating every coverage
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Speaker 3: they've seen Shell, they've seen double coverage, they've seen man,
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Speaker 3: they play zone, they've shading and rolling coverage to his side, backside,
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Speaker 3: they've been throwing the JSN. He's going out of his
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Speaker 3: way to throw to Smith and jig but regardless of formation,
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Speaker 3: regardless of coverage, regardless of pressure, and so far it's winning.
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Speaker 3: But the disparity that Hughes talking about. The coaches are
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Speaker 3: aware of it and they're trying to even that out somewhat.
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Speaker 3: But the guy who's making the decisions throwing the ball
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Speaker 3: doesn't care about that. He's just going with what he
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Speaker 3: sees as progression and his best chance to complete a pass.
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Speaker 3: It is an interesting down the line. Defenses are going
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Speaker 3: to scheme that way and to see if they can
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Speaker 3: tilt the tables completely in coverage against Smith and jig
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Speaker 3: and if Donald's still gonna throw that way. That is
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Speaker 3: a cat and mouse game that may rear itself when
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Speaker 3: they play the Rams twice and the forty nine ers
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Speaker 3: coming up. But so far, it doesn't matter what coverage,
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Speaker 3: it doesn't matter what situation Donald's deciding he's throwing to
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Speaker 3: Smith and jigg With. They especially do it. I don't
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Speaker 3: have the numb in front of me, just anecdotally. They
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Speaker 3: especially do it on sudden change. You'll notice when they
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Speaker 3: get stops on turnover, on downs or interceptions and fumbles,
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Speaker 3: they take deep strikes with Smith and Jigba almost every time.
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Speaker 3: They did it four different times against Houston, and they
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Speaker 3: had a lot of opportunities because Houston went for fourth
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Speaker 3: downs three times and missed it. They went right to
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Speaker 3: Jasen down the field on the quick strike after the
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Speaker 3: sudden change. It's it's kind of like the old Pete
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Speaker 3: Carroll defense. Around here. We're going to tell you exactly
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Speaker 3: how we're doing it. We're gonna do it. Try to
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Speaker 3: stop it, you can't stop us. And that's what they're
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Speaker 3: doing with jaa center. Now.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting because I remember Hugh like the NBA
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Speaker 2: used to be about like balance the floor, everybody can shoot,
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Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, this guy named Michael
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Speaker 2: Jordan came around and they're like, why we want everybody
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Speaker 2: to shoot when we just want him to have the
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Speaker 2: ball and then let's just get four complimentary pieces around
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Speaker 2: him and if he wants to shoot every time. He
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Speaker 2: can shoot every time, but we're gonna trust him to
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Speaker 2: throw it to the open man. You really den never
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Speaker 2: had that advantage in the National Foot League. I'm with you,
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Speaker 2: like with the balance, But I just heard Gronk say Saturday, man,
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Speaker 2: Jamar Chase is getting targeted twenty three times in a game,
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Speaker 2: and it worked out for the Bengals on Thursday night.
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Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson should get targeted twenty three times a game
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Speaker 2: as well. And I'm starting to wonder if Jsen is
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Speaker 2: not in this category with Jamar Chase and with and
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Speaker 2: with Justin Jefferson, and maybe Sam should be throwing him
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Speaker 2: the ball every single time that he's open.
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Speaker 1: What do you think about that? Yeah, I think there's
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Speaker 1: some truth to that. And and look, I've there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of layers to this discussion. The play that Greg
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Speaker 1: references that on the fourth down, Yeah, he had Barner
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Speaker 1: on what's called a slip route where he's going when
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Speaker 1: they snap the ball, he's behind the guard. So by
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Speaker 1: the time he gets out to the flat in man
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Speaker 1: to man coverage, that guy's waiting for him. So I'm
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Speaker 1: not surprised. I mean, tell me, the greatest tight end
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Speaker 1: receiving Kellen Winslow and his prime wasn't going to be
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Speaker 1: open on that play and JSN one on that play.
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Speaker 1: That's absolutely true, and we're seeing a lot of that.
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Speaker 1: But I watched the tape and there are are times
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Speaker 1: where Tory Horton is wide freaking open on a dagger
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Speaker 1: route and Cooper Cup has been open as well. I
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Speaker 1: think even from a play calling standpoint, having UH thrown
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Speaker 1: just throwing, just throwing the ball out in the flat
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Speaker 1: or a wide receiver screen, to me, like, if I
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Speaker 1: throw a wide receiver screen, I'm not gonna throw it
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Speaker 1: to JSN usually because that's an opportunity for those to go.
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Speaker 1: And I just i'd compare it to the US nuclear strategy,
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Speaker 1: the strategic doction UH of the triad. Greg you're in
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Speaker 1: the military, you know you go. You want to have
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Speaker 1: a third of your your arsenal in in in ground
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Speaker 1: based ICBMs, a third of your arsenal in in subs,
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Speaker 1: and a third of your arsenal in in bomber base
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Speaker 1: which are retaliatory, but at least in the event that
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Speaker 1: that the Soviets or somebody else knock out one of
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Speaker 1: those phases, you still have two other robust phases. And
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Speaker 1: so I don't want to come in in January and
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Speaker 1: be doing a post game where where we lose nineteen
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Speaker 1: to thirteen in a playoff game and a team figured
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Speaker 1: out how to corral JSN and and you hadn't developed
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Speaker 1: the the cohesion and the ability to get production out
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Speaker 1: of those other receivers, including the tight ends. So that
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Speaker 1: would be my concern. Look, look, if they're if they're
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Speaker 1: not going to roll the coverage to them, they're gonna
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Speaker 1: give him single coverage. And on that play the Greg
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Speaker 1: describes he Greg is absolutely right, and Sam Darnold's absolutely right.
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Speaker 1: Was man to man coverage. Barner's covered in the flat
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Speaker 1: throw it uh to uh JSN on the out route.
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Speaker 1: But I think as a comprehensive idea, I'll stand by
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Speaker 1: I think that they need to change the balance a little.
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Speaker 3: Great it's to do that, though, right, because I mean,
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Speaker 3: Arnold is leading the league and everything, and he's this
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Speaker 3: wildly successful quarterback doing it this way, I could see intrinsically,
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Speaker 3: why even if coach is telling him to do it,
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Speaker 3: why when he's actually throwing the ball in games, he won't.
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Speaker 2: They like having a hot hand, Like why should I
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Speaker 2: stop shooting thirty five footers.
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Speaker 1: I'm hitting. I'm hot. Well, there are times where there
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Speaker 1: was fairly significant intermediate completions to be had that are
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Speaker 1: fairly easy that you say, well, well, whoa, whoa. If
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Speaker 1: you're just doing quarterback one oh one, the matchup, the
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Speaker 1: coverage where it is, you'd say, take a look at
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Speaker 1: Horton on that eighteen yard dagger. It's wide ass open.
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Speaker 1: It's a laying you know. So I'm mostly on it. Look,
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Speaker 1: if i haven't made myself clear, I'll say it again.
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Speaker 1: I love Sam Donald as a quarterback, as a guy,
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Speaker 1: as the leader of this team, as a toughness as
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Speaker 1: he's pushing the ball down the field. I am not
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Speaker 1: here to criticize Sam Donald. I'm loving what I'm seeing
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Speaker 1: as a Seahawks fan. I'm just trying to say, hey,
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Speaker 1: you're always trying to reach your highest potential, right and
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Speaker 1: and to just say well, we're good, let's not try
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Speaker 1: and improve. That's not gonna get you a championship. Usually,
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Speaker 1: that's not what Super Bowl teams do, is sitting there
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Speaker 1: say we're good. No, you're always looking to try and
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Speaker 1: get better. And I think they can be a little
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Speaker 1: better on offense, score a few more points and be
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Speaker 1: even better in the passing game with it just a
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Speaker 1: little bit of a tweak, A little bit of a tweak.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
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Speaker 1: Fourteen to one is start. I'll say that we have
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Speaker 1: that ratio times cup twice.
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Speaker 2: Here mail at Greg Mell with his twelfth man round table.
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Speaker 2: I still want to talk about what looks to be
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Speaker 2: a breakout star for the Seahawks all and our last
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Speaker 2: segment together, and I'm sure we got some other things
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Speaker 2: to discuss. Sports Radio ninety three point three kh A
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Speaker 2: r F M all right, twelve man roundtable Today, We've
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Speaker 2: got Humillan with us. We've got Greg Bell with us.
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Speaker 2: Normally have Greg make a prediction, but we don't have
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Speaker 2: a game. It is a bye week, and so I'm
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Speaker 2: going to give him the humill In treatment today. I
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Speaker 2: am going to let both you and Greg just talk
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Speaker 2: about whatever they want about the Seahawks with their last thoughts.
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Speaker 2: But before we do that, I do want to ask
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Speaker 2: you both about nick em and Warri. I'll start with you, Greg.
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Speaker 2: Are we looking at somebody that is just about ready
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Speaker 2: to break out as a star, maybe even eventual superstar
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Speaker 2: in this league?
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Speaker 3: Are you surprised. We've talked about this since what may.
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Speaker 2: You well, I mean second round pick you have, you
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Speaker 2: have belief, you like like what you see, but until
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Speaker 2: they actually do it on the football field, you don't know.
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Speaker 2: And man, it is really pop. He's really popping. I'll
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Speaker 2: just say that.
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Speaker 3: Well, McDonald is using exactly as he said he would
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Speaker 3: the night he drafted him. He said he was Kyle
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Speaker 3: Hamilton and Cam Chancellor. I mean, come on, he adn't
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Speaker 3: even played a game yet. He would be a national
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Speaker 3: star if he hadn't gotten hurt and missed a month
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Speaker 3: and a half with the high ankle sprain. He's the
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Speaker 3: best of many good things he's doing. I talked to
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Speaker 3: McDonald about this on Monday. The best of many good
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Speaker 3: things he's doing is tackling. His defense, especially in the secondary,
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Speaker 3: have had problems tackling this year. Not even worried when
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Speaker 3: they were at their worst tackling even worry was not
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Speaker 3: even on the field he was out injured. He tackles
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Speaker 3: in what McDonald always describes as the alley. That's basically
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Speaker 3: the slot down the hash marks, and that's where a
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Speaker 3: lot of bubble screens go. It's where slamt patterns go.
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Speaker 3: That's where runners tend to go after they catch swing
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Speaker 3: passes or short quick throws. That alley between the outside
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Speaker 3: corner and the inside safeties are where a lot of
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Speaker 3: lost yards for defenses come in the NFL with the
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Speaker 3: quick game in passing these days, well, when they come
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Speaker 3: at even Worry with that stuff, he goes and tackles
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Speaker 3: them and they go right to the ground. Even Worry
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Speaker 3: is the Ernest Jones of the secondary. When he hits guys,
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Speaker 3: they go straight down. There's no yards after contact, there's
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Speaker 3: no breaking tackles. By and large, he's their surest tackler
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Speaker 3: next to Ernest Jones right now, and at his position
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Speaker 3: slot nickel, which they're using them, he's the primary nickel
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Speaker 3: guy right now. I think he's going to be the
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Speaker 3: nickel guy when Witherspoon comes back. I think Woolven's gonna
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Speaker 3: be the odd man out when they're just gonna have
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Speaker 3: Witherspoon and Joe be the outside and keep Emon Worry
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Speaker 3: is the inside. Because he's too valuable as a tackler.
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Speaker 3: They're using them as a blitzer, they're using him as
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Speaker 3: a coverage safety, they're using him as a run stopper.
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Speaker 3: He is Kyle Hamilton for Seattle right now, and he's
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Speaker 3: only what three four to four full games into his career.
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Speaker 3: He's his advertised He is what Mike McDonald told us
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Speaker 3: he would be the night the drafted him.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I told you Monday. I think this guy is
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Speaker 1: just a rising star, a future star, and maybe he's
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Speaker 1: a star already. I think he's got he's got all
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Speaker 1: that measurables. You know, he's a high waisted, tall guy, long,
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Speaker 1: but he's very fluid in his change of directions. His
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Speaker 1: acceleration is elite getting from point A to point B
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Speaker 1: in an area of you know, eight ten, twelve, fourteen yards.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he had a play the other night on
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Speaker 1: a play action pass where he is the he is
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Speaker 1: the curral defender on the right side of the defense.
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Speaker 1: That's that's just inside the flat so it's it's between
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Speaker 1: the numbers and the hash and they're trying to hit
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Speaker 1: Nico Collins on what's called a skid route out of
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Speaker 1: like a little short post glance type thing on the
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Speaker 1: opposite side, and he just he just backpedaled and he
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Speaker 1: kind of sensed the way the play was developing, and
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Speaker 1: then he converged on the play leaps with all that
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Speaker 1: length and has a pass defense in there. I mean
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Speaker 1: that that'd be something and you expect from Kyle Hamilton,
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Speaker 1: you know, guy who's been in the league six eight
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Speaker 1: years whatever it is, or you know ten year vets.
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Speaker 1: So so I think the instincts every time I watch
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Speaker 1: him on tape, I feel like he's processing faster and faster.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I I they use him as the Nicol
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Speaker 1: Sam and you know this is this is just a star.
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Speaker 1: He's gonna be a central part of this defense. I
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Speaker 1: cannot wait to get Julian Love back. Yeah, and we
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Speaker 1: can Witherspoon. I mean, with these guys, it's just it's
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Speaker 1: just to be really fun to watch his defense. That's fun.
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Speaker 2: That's a word that comes to mind. All Right, So
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go a little bit over to give you
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Speaker 2: guys this, but don't kill me on the time. So
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Speaker 2: just a minute each from the two of you. Greg
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Speaker 2: anything that we didn't bring up that your final thoughts
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Speaker 2: as we close out this roundtable.
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Speaker 3: Well, not to ray on the enthusiasm that might be
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Speaker 3: building for the Seahawks now that people who realize they're
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Speaker 3: playing again and the Mariners are done, but I don't.
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Speaker 3: There's something of a paper five and two to me, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: you can make the argument that could be seven to zero.
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Speaker 3: A lot of teams around the league fan bases can
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Speaker 3: argue that if they Donald doesn't drop the ball against
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Speaker 3: San Francisco and doesn't turn it over at the end
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Speaker 3: against Tampa Bay, but they're not doing it the right way,
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Speaker 3: their right way, meaning run the ball effectively, and I
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Speaker 3: still am very skeptical about their chances to win the
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Speaker 3: NFC West running the ball they way they currently are.
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Speaker 3: They can. However, when they get Witherspoon and Julian Love back,
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Speaker 3: their defense may be good enough to win the division
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Speaker 3: by itself and the offense still be malfunctioning. That's the
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Speaker 3: whole crux of this Every NFL season the Seahawks, to me,
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Speaker 3: it comes down to are they gonna have home playoff games?
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Speaker 3: Because if they don't, they're not going to win the
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Speaker 3: super Bowl. That's what history tells us. If they're not
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Speaker 3: gonna get home playoff gas unless they win a division,
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Speaker 3: they're not gonna win a division unless they beat the
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Speaker 3: Rams in the forty nine ers. To me, they can't
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Speaker 3: do it the way they're playing. We'll see if I'm wrong,
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Speaker 3: we'll see if the defense alone can have them win
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Speaker 3: the division. But right now I think they're too flawed
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Speaker 3: offensively unless their defense trump's all that and wins it
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Speaker 3: by themselves.
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Speaker 2: Dude, take us home.
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Speaker 1: What do you want to talk about the clothes say?
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Speaker 1: You know, we're throwing a lot of flowers at the defense.
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Speaker 1: They deserve it, just but a concern I have just
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Speaker 1: kind of watching the tape and I said, hey, are
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Speaker 1: there some numbers that can reflect this concern? And in
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Speaker 1: fact there are. So you go back to the Houston game.
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Speaker 1: Out of fourteen drives, the drives where the Texans had
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Speaker 1: the most yards fifty one to fifty two yards were
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Speaker 1: the two last drives. The Tampa Bay there's three drives
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Speaker 1: of seventy yards or more. They were all in the
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Speaker 1: second half. Arizona going to the fourth quarter Euroupe, what
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Speaker 1: twenty to six? You give up fourth quarter drives of
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Speaker 1: seventy three and fifty seven touchdown drives. We saw the
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Speaker 1: Pratt fall in the fourth quarter of the forty nine ers.
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Speaker 1: This is a consistent deal. So I look and I say,
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Speaker 1: all right, where are they? The past defense numbers weren't
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Speaker 1: as bad as I thought fourth quarter they there's a
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Speaker 1: little bit of a regression but not too bad. But
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Speaker 1: the pressure. The Seahawks are a hit in hits. This
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Speaker 1: is all quarters. They're sixth in hits, eleventh in sack rate,
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Speaker 1: but number one in hurries. Okay, but here's the one
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna focus on. The Seahawks are in
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Speaker 1: pressure rate. That takes all of them. This is a
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Speaker 1: percentage of plays where they apply pressure. The Sea Hawks
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Speaker 1: are fourth in quarters one to two and three, they're second.
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Speaker 1: In the fourth quarter, they're twenty second. So when I
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Speaker 1: felt like when I was watching that pass us and
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Speaker 1: I'm like, man, they just don't seem to have the
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Speaker 1: gas at the end. There are numbers absolutely to support
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Speaker 1: that observation. And I would say, as we're talking about
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Speaker 1: Julian Love and the return of Witherspoon, I don't think
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Speaker 1: Derek Hall is a game changer. He's got four hits,
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Speaker 1: eight hurries and no sacks. But I think him in
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Speaker 1: the rotation getting him back. I think they're missing somebody
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Speaker 1: in the rotation so that that pass rush can be
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Speaker 1: a little bit more alive. In the fourth quarter. Hill
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Speaker 1: Mellan is.
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Speaker 3: Gonna come back in Washington, Mike McDonald says another one.
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Speaker 1: But I just feel like they're a man light in
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Speaker 1: the rotation because I'm seeing I'm not seeing the same
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Speaker 1: energy in the fourth quarter of these games, and the
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Speaker 1: numbers as I described, you know, they're falling off more
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Speaker 1: than Mike McDonald.
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Speaker 3: One hut going his boy, I'm off my back if
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Speaker 3: going all right? Man.
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Speaker 2: I thought that this hour went really great without Bucky
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Speaker 2: talking the whole time, that's for sure. So yeah, nice work, gentlemen.
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Speaker 2: Great to catch up with you here for this hour.
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Speaker 2: Our Seahawks inside of Greg Bell ur QB one Hugh
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Speaker 2: Mellen will talk to both of them tomorrow on the
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Speaker 2: radio program. But coming up next we're gonna talk about
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Speaker 2: Dan Wilson and it's a segment I like to call
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