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FIND SARM: CCTV SPOTS MISSING STEWARDESS BEFORE VANISHING OFF YACHT · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Help us find SSARM.
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  Speaker 3: Chilling close circuit TV spots the missing flight attendant just
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  Speaker 3: before she vanishes off her boyfriend's yacht. Good evening, I'm
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  Speaker 3: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to thank
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  Speaker 3: you for being with us.
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  Speaker 4: A young woman with a love for adventure spent her
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  Speaker 4: days sailing the beautiful waters of the Virgin Islands, working
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  Speaker 4: in the glamorous world of luxury yaytes. She had once
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  Speaker 4: been a flight attendant, driven by her desire to explore
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  Speaker 4: the globe, until her journey came to an unexpected halt.
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  Speaker 3: Where is Sarm? Let's start at the beginning.
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  Speaker 5: We began to search, initially that the day we became
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  Speaker 5: aware that she went missing that Monday afternoon. We initially
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  Speaker 5: the first six days spent a lot of time in
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  Speaker 5: small craft searching, shoreline scuba diving, snorkeling, and transitioned to
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  Speaker 5: a ground search using volunteers on foot searching the terrain
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  Speaker 5: in heavy, heavy bush as well as a long rough
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  Speaker 5: reef rocks call using drones. Taking those maps that we've
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  Speaker 5: created from the drone imagery and entered into the software,
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  Speaker 5: stitches all this together and makes a very high resolution map.
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  Speaker 5: We found nothing. We found no evidence of anything, not
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  Speaker 5: a clothing, not not shoes, not a not an unusual
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  Speaker 5: broken twig.
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  Speaker 3: So where is sarm Heslop in the last days? Previously
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  Speaker 3: buried Closed Circuit TV reveals her last moments where she
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  Speaker 3: was known alive. Newly released footage just before her disappearance,
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  Speaker 3: joining Me and All Star Panel. But first there's the footage. Guys,
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  Speaker 3: look at that, and there's a very very disturbing clue
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  Speaker 3: about that, because apparently she's wearing this is just before
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  Speaker 3: she goes missing.
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  Speaker 2: There she is walking along with the boyfriend.
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  Speaker 3: She's wearing something altogether different in this closed circuit video
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  Speaker 3: than what she was described.
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  Speaker 2: As wearing when she goes missing.
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  Speaker 3: Shortly after this very chilling closed circuit TV video, that's
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  Speaker 3: sarm Haslot right there. They're getting into dinghy and they're
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  Speaker 3: heading out to the boyfriend's yacht. That's got to be
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  Speaker 3: excruciating for her family to feel so close to her
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  Speaker 3: in this video, and then it all ends just before
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  Speaker 3: she seemingly vanishes into thin air again an All Star
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  Speaker 3: Panel joint us tonight.
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  Speaker 2: But I want to go to two very special guests. First.
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  Speaker 3: It's Kate Vernal's former roommate with Sarm Heslop and Andrew
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  Speaker 3: Baldwin a very dear friend for years and years. Andrew,
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  Speaker 3: thank you for being with us tonight. When did you
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  Speaker 3: learn that sarm was missing?
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  Speaker 6: I got a call from Kate Owen. It was the
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  Speaker 6: day after that she went missing, so kind of kind
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  Speaker 6: of nearly thirty six hours after. I got a frantic
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  Speaker 6: call from Kate and all she said was you know,
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  Speaker 6: and I remember the words. They still chill me. Now
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  Speaker 6: Salm's missing and we don't know where she is. They
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  Speaker 6: just come out of the blue.
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  Speaker 3: Andrew Baldwin, I don't understand the night that you learn
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  Speaker 3: your dear friend many many years.
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  Speaker 2: Has just vanished.
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  Speaker 3: What were you told, if anything, as to what happened
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  Speaker 3: to her?
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  Speaker 6: Initially I was just told that she was she was.
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  Speaker 6: I think Kate Owen at the time had just had
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  Speaker 6: a call from Ryan Bain to say that she'd gone
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  Speaker 6: missing the previous the previous night. So it was twenty
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  Speaker 6: four hours after she'd got missing, and literally said she'd
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  Speaker 6: gone missing in the middle of the night. They didn't
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  Speaker 6: know where she was. Talked about an anchor Alarm talked
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  Speaker 6: about people searching but there were very very few details.
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  Speaker 6: And subsequent to that, I had a conversation with Ryan Bain.
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  Speaker 3: You spoke to the boyfriend, the so called boyfriend, Ryan Baine.
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  Speaker 3: Is that correct?
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  Speaker 7: And that's correct, just after the call from Kate.
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  Speaker 3: So I found it really difficult to believe that this
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  Speaker 3: is this is how it goes down. We've seen the
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  Speaker 3: newly released closer at TV video and he Ryan Bain,
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  Speaker 3: the so called boyfriend, is walking with sarm. They had
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  Speaker 3: been in the town. They were leaving. I believe they've
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  Speaker 3: been to a restaurant, slash bar, and they were going
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  Speaker 3: back to his yacht and then some I mean the
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  Speaker 3: yachts it's not that big, they're not that many rooms
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  Speaker 3: to look in. So they're on a yacht. If she
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  Speaker 3: vanishes off the yacht in the middle of the night,
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  Speaker 3: Andrew what how the dinghy was still there? So where
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  Speaker 3: did she go?
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  Speaker 6: That's exactly what we're asking ourselves. You know, the information
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  Speaker 6: we got that she just disappeared. There was an original
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  Speaker 6: Maybe she went off somewhere, maybe she met some friends,
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  Speaker 6: but it was late, it was during COVID we you know,
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  Speaker 6: I think that's highly unlikely.
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  Speaker 7: All of her belongings are on the boat and.
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  Speaker 3: I need to ask him a question. Andrew, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 3: that doesn't make sense to me. What do you mean
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  Speaker 3: she went off with friends? She gets on the dinghy
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  Speaker 3: with the boyfriend, They go to his yacht. They disembark
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  Speaker 3: the dinghy, they get on the yacht, the dinghy's tied
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  Speaker 3: to the yacht. When the boyfriend wakes up, the dinghy's
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  Speaker 3: still there.
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  Speaker 2: So what does somebody.
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  Speaker 1: Beam her up?
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  Speaker 3: Scotty, I mean, what do you mean she went somewhere
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  Speaker 3: with friends?
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  Speaker 2: That's impossible.
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  Speaker 3: She did not leave the yacht.
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  Speaker 6: I think we never you know, that was something that
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  Speaker 6: kind of maybe she maybe she went off, maybe someone
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  Speaker 6: picked her up, maybe she went to when and met someone,
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  Speaker 6: But there was she didn't know that many people on
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  Speaker 6: the island, and all the people that she knew wouldn't
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  Speaker 6: wouldn't have done that.
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  Speaker 7: So I find that really hard to believe.
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  Speaker 6: And then kind of the the thing that come that
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  Speaker 6: was suggested was that she'd fallen off the boat and
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  Speaker 6: drifted away.
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  Speaker 3: Fallen off the boat and drifted away, I'd like, can
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  Speaker 3: I go now to Kate Vernal's former roommate of Psalms.
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  Speaker 3: Kate fell off the boat and drifted away.
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  Speaker 8: I think from the outset it was just a ridiculous theory.
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  Speaker 9: Salmon had stewed across the Atlantic and not fallen overboard.
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  Speaker 9: So to suggest that she had fallen overboard in the
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  Speaker 9: middle of the night on a yacht there was maud
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  Speaker 9: so close to shore just seems absolutely impossible and ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, I want to figure out how in
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  Speaker 3: the hay did this beautiful, young, brilliant woman end up
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  Speaker 3: on a yacht out in the middle of her ocean,
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  Speaker 3: of the ocean with her family a world away.
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  Speaker 2: Listen.
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  Speaker 10: Sarmheslab has a restless sense of adventure and works various
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  Speaker 10: jobs to fund her passion for travel and sailing, working
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  Speaker 10: as a flight attendant for Flybee in the UK, a
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  Speaker 10: waitress in Gibraltar and Malta, even working in a call
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  Speaker 10: center to fund her exotic adventures.
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  Speaker 3: She's adventuresome. She works all over the world. Tell me
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  Speaker 3: about that, Andrew Baldwin.
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  Speaker 6: She just loved new experiences, you know, Nancy. She loved
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  Speaker 6: to meet people, she loved new cultures, new destinations. She
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  Speaker 6: liked to do things that perhaps some of us just
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  Speaker 6: wouldn't do. I remember her call maintain that she was
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  Speaker 6: sailing across the Atlantic on a yacht and just you know.
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  Speaker 7: No one would do that. Oh, no one would think
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  Speaker 7: about doing that.
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  Speaker 6: But she would do things that enriched her life and
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  Speaker 6: enriched you know what she was doing, and got great experience.
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  Speaker 6: She wasn't someone who wanted to settle down nine to five.
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  Speaker 6: She just wanted to see everything that the world had
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  Speaker 6: to offer her.
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  Speaker 7: And she did.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I really don't like Andrew when people suggest
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  Speaker 3: that she quote asked for bad fortune because she traveled
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  Speaker 3: the world and did adventurous things. If a man did that,
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  Speaker 3: nobody would think twice. I remember asking my now husband
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  Speaker 3: learn to dive with me. Let's go all over the
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  Speaker 3: world and dive.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't want to. He wanted to stay in his office,
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  Speaker 2: and he did.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't, and I ended up going all over the
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  Speaker 3: world diving. Now, I don't want my children to do
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  Speaker 3: it because it's incredibly dangerous, and.
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  Speaker 2: I had them Andrew, I swore it off.
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  Speaker 3: I've never done it again because it's too important to
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  Speaker 3: me that I am with them to bring them up
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  Speaker 3: or hiking. I said, David, please go hiking with me.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't want to take off work, and I don't fault him.
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  Speaker 3: I even married him. But my point is just because
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  Speaker 3: she is adventurous, I don't like the insinuations made about her.
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  Speaker 3: This girl was scrubbed in sunshine. She loved life, and
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  Speaker 3: I don't like those insinuations about her.
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  Speaker 7: Andrew the thing about some She was so loyal.
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  Speaker 6: She was a friend that if you wanted something, or
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  Speaker 6: you needed to speak to someone, or she'd be there
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  Speaker 6: for you. She'd be there at the end of the phone,
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  Speaker 6: she'd be there. She was such a loyal, trustworthy person.
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  Speaker 6: She traveled safe. She was very street savvy. She was
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  Speaker 6: very conscious of the world around her, conscious of how
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  Speaker 6: to travel safe, how to meet people safely, how to
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  Speaker 6: kind of traveling around the world. You know, she was very,
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  Speaker 6: very smart. So she would not do anything that she
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  Speaker 6: felt that would be dangerous to her, and she would
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  Speaker 6: take advice. So you know, I completely refuse any insinuation
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  Speaker 6: that she shouldn't have been traveling. And I agree if
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  Speaker 6: I wanted to go traveling or do anything, no one
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  Speaker 6: would say anything.
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  Speaker 7: This wonderful woman that we call our friend just did
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  Speaker 7: things that she wanted to do and live her life
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  Speaker 7: the way she wanted to do it, and no one
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  Speaker 7: should blame her for that your.
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  Speaker 3: Preaching to the choir. Andrew Bald went to Kate Vinol's
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  Speaker 3: her a roommate. Kate, I assume you agree with me.
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  Speaker 3: I do not like the insinuation that somehow, because she
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  Speaker 3: traveled the world and wanted to see it all and
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  Speaker 3: do it all and experience it all, that somehow makes
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  Speaker 3: her a big hope. I don't get that that Nothing
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  Speaker 3: could be further from the truth.
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  Speaker 8: So I agree with you completely.
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  Speaker 9: I think watching her go on all these adventurous and
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  Speaker 9: being a headstrong but spontaneous, she was really meticulous.
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  Speaker 8: She would organize down.
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  Speaker 9: To the last to the last point, and I always
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  Speaker 9: was excited for her, and I think she should be
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  Speaker 9: praised for not conforming to a nine to five, to
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  Speaker 9: actually doing what we all dreamed to do by going
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  Speaker 9: on holiday once a year.
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  Speaker 8: That was what she just wanted to do with her life.
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  Speaker 9: I don't think anyone should be put down for wanting
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  Speaker 9: to have a fun life.
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  Speaker 8: Is it jealousy?
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  Speaker 9: Maybe you know, this is a young woman who's living
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  Speaker 9: the life that she wants to live and not conforming
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  Speaker 9: to a nine to five. I was always in support
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  Speaker 9: of her traveling. We would always stay in communication, and
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  Speaker 9: she would always come back, you know, and then.
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  Speaker 8: Save up to go away again. Whereas, why is that wrong?
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  Speaker 9: You know, I think it's something we all want to do,
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  Speaker 9: but we just do it for two weeks of a
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  Speaker 9: year to go on holiday, other than making it how we.
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  Speaker 8: Want to look back on our lives.
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  Speaker 3: And she was working. She worked the entire time. Enter
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  Speaker 3: the boyfriend, Ryan Baine.
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  Speaker 2: Listen.
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  Speaker 11: Sarm meets Ryan Bain online and becomes close enough. She
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  Speaker 11: moves to the Virgin Islands and joins Bain on board
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  Speaker 11: his forty seven foot luxury catamaran Siren Song as a chef.
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  Speaker 11: The Siren Song is a working charter yacht available for
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  Speaker 11: private charge and is more than a bay off the
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  Speaker 11: western coast of Saint John Us, Virgin Islands.
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  Speaker 3: Andrew, what was her plan? She meets Bain online? Does
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  Speaker 3: she fall in love with him? Is that what happened?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: I think Lin Simon Ryan met when Salmon was in
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  Speaker 6: the Caribbean and they formed a relationship, and you know,
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  Speaker 6: she was really open about that and she was excited
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  Speaker 6: about it. Then her travel was over and she moves
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  Speaker 6: back to Malta to some friends and she worked in
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  Speaker 6: Malta to fund more of her trips. We've already said
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  Speaker 6: to fund more and to do more adventures, and I
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  Speaker 6: think the calling that, you know, she she kind of
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  Speaker 6: realized being a part that actually I want to give,
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  Speaker 6: give this relationship a go.
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  Speaker 7: I want to.
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  Speaker 6: I want to go back, and I want to, but
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  Speaker 6: I want to go back on my terms. I want
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  Speaker 6: to go back and and fund myself. I want to
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  Speaker 6: be working. I don't want to. I don't want to
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  Speaker 6: go back and just be your girlfriend. I want to
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  Speaker 6: go back and work and I want to pursue a
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  Speaker 6: career and work working in this In this business.
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  Speaker 12: People would describe some as a free spirit, adventurous, sarcastic, bonkers.
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  Speaker 8: So that is a boat.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I had a miscall on my phone. Psalm's missing.
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  Speaker 3: A massive search and rescue operation is underway for a
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  Speaker 3: British former flight attendant.
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  Speaker 2: While sailing around the Caribbean. Some has a lot vanished.
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  Speaker 3: That from missing in Paradise searching for song now able
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  Speaker 3: to US audiences on BBC.
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  Speaker 11: Select Living on board the Siren Song called the Virgin
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  Speaker 11: Islands premiere luxury sailing charter sarm is living her best life.
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  Speaker 11: On the evening of March seventh, Simon Bain go to
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  Speaker 11: the island of Saint John for dinner. Leaving the restaurant,
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  Speaker 11: they bought a small dinghy for the two hundred foot
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  Speaker 11: hop to where Siren Song is moored off shore. Bain says,
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  Speaker 11: Sarm is asleep by ten pm.
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  Speaker 3: Two hundred feet that's not far at all, but from
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  Speaker 3: what we've been told, the depth goes from about four
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  Speaker 3: to five feet, and then after you're out just a
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  Speaker 3: very short distance, it drops to forty or fifty feet.
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  Speaker 3: So here we go. Two thirty am. He wakes up
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  Speaker 3: and discovers he can't find Psarm.
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  Speaker 2: What else happened?
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  Speaker 11: At two thirty am. Bain awakens but can't find Sarm.
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  Speaker 11: He takes a dinghy to the shore to report her
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  Speaker 11: missing to island and police, suggesting she may have fallen overboard.
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  Speaker 11: Police tell him to call the coast Guard. Bain does
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  Speaker 11: not notify the coast Guard immediately for reasons unknown. He
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  Speaker 11: waits until eleven forty five to notify the coast Guard
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  Speaker 11: this Sarm is missing. When Coastguard officials arrive, an intoxicated
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  Speaker 11: Bain refuses to allow them to board the catamaran to
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  Speaker 11: conduct a serge.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, right there, Andrew, I've got a problem with him
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  Speaker 3: not allowing them on board. If he wants to find sarm,
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  Speaker 3: why wouldn't allow them on board the yacht.
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  Speaker 6: I think we've got a problem. This is where our
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  Speaker 6: problems begin with the timeline. The timeline is where the
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  Speaker 6: problems begin. You know, the call to the police, the
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  Speaker 6: meeting of the police, and then nine hours pass before
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  Speaker 6: the call to the coastguards.
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  Speaker 7: And nine hours of time where.
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  Speaker 6: She was still missing wherever she was, and you know
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  Speaker 6: the reports and the coast guard that were retained on
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  Speaker 6: a quite clean state that the coast Guard and the USB,
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  Speaker 6: John and police wanted to come on board the boat
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  Speaker 6: and potentially search the boat, and he refused them the
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  Speaker 6: entry to the main area of the boat because he
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  Speaker 6: was intoxicated, and they didn't want to put themselves in
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  Speaker 6: any risk, any danger at that point she was missing.
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  Speaker 6: At that point, we didn't know what was happening, so
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  Speaker 6: they didn't want to put themselves in any danger, so
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  Speaker 6: they left.
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  Speaker 3: Kate Ronald, the roommate of saram heaslap the long delay.
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  Speaker 3: Have you ever spoken to Baying the boyfriend and asked,
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  Speaker 3: why did you wait nearly ten hours to get the Coastguard.
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  Speaker 9: No, Andrew is Salm's only friend who's spoken to Ryan,
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  Speaker 9: with the exception of Kate Owen.
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  Speaker 8: It would be my first and maybe only.
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  Speaker 9: Question to ask Ryan if I had the opportunity, because
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  Speaker 9: he woke up so some wasn't there. He went to shore,
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  Speaker 9: he spoke to the police, he was told to come
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  Speaker 9: back to the boat called the host guard, but he
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  Speaker 9: didn't call the coast Guard.
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  Speaker 8: He didn't even get on the radio.
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  Speaker 9: There's a continuously monitored channel on the radio frequency that.
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  Speaker 8: Is monitored by the coast Guard. That didn't happen.
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  Speaker 9: He didn't set off any flares. He didn't even call
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  Speaker 9: her name. If you speak to the other two captains
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  Speaker 9: of the neighboring vessels, they didn't hit anything that night.
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  Speaker 9: So he doesn't even get in his dinghy to go
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  Speaker 9: looking for her. He gets in his dinghy to go
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  Speaker 9: to shore to speak to the police, but then he
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  Speaker 9: just comes straight back. There's no evidence of him reaching
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  Speaker 9: out to anybody else to ask.
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  Speaker 8: For help to search this.
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  Speaker 3: M Andrew Bodwin, did you ask Bain anything about the delay.
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  Speaker 7: At that point?
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  Speaker 6: I spoke to him, probably in the immediacy that I
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  Speaker 6: was called on kind of the second day, and then
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  Speaker 6: I spoke to him twice, and at that point we
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  Speaker 6: didn't know any of this. We only knew that the
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  Speaker 6: wording I got from Ryan Bain was I'm out searching.
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  Speaker 6: I'm looking for her. I'm out on the boat. We're
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  Speaker 6: doing everything we can. We're getting loads of people searching
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  Speaker 6: for We had no idea at this point of this
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  Speaker 6: timeline and what happened, so you know, that only come
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  Speaker 6: out kind of in the weeks after she went missing,
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  Speaker 6: that we found out about this gap, and by which
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  Speaker 6: point he was not talking, he was not communicating, he
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  Speaker 6: wasn't answering messages. He had his lawyer, and therefore there
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  Speaker 6: has been no opportunity I think after that point to
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  Speaker 6: ask him any questions.
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  Speaker 3: Joining us now from ASAR Disaster Area Response Team Jeff Jones, Jeff,
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  Speaker 3: when did you first get to the scene.
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  Speaker 5: I was initially I've seen the next morning beginning to
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  Speaker 5: do scuba diving as well as shoreline base search with
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: small craft throughout Frank Bay. That next morning. There were
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: two vessels in that bay, but I spoke to one
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: captain myself who was there the night that she went away.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: We were missing it around two am when mister Bain
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: knowsed her done, and that vessel was about one hundred
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: to one hundred and twenty feet to the northwest in
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: that same morning area in Frank Bay.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: The same mooring area there in Frank Bay. And you know, Jeff,
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: you're stating that you spoke to the captain who was.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: There that night.
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: I spoke to a captain who was there the night
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: she went missing. He actually came into that base Sunday
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: morning and it dropped anchor about one hundred to one
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: hundred twenty feet away from the siren song. And he
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: was there overnight on that vessel. He's also a term
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: charter captain with another catamaran for hire, and he saw nothing,
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: heard nothing, and was unaware of any unusual foul play
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: till the next day when the coach starts showed up.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: That's a lot of time, Andrew Baldwin. For the captains
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: on vessels around bang, they had no idea anything was wrong.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: None of them were alerted by him. There wasn't a
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: siren nothing. I mean, we've all seen those boat horns
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: that are incredibly loud. Why didn't he call out on
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: those to the boats, the vessels around him, asking for help,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: asking them to look for sarm. They knew nothing until
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: the coastguard pulls up the next day.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Essentially, Yeah, I mean that's what's come out.
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: You know, we knew there were two boats close, so
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: we kind of all assumed that, you know, like any search,
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: So you would be speaking to the boats asking for
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: their assistance, putting lights in the water. If she had
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: fallen off, there was an assumption then you would be
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: shouting her name, you'd be he had a dinghy, he
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: could have banged on the side of the boat, he
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: could have called her name, he shouted. We've seen interviews
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: with both captains, both captains independently. Both captains stated they
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: woke up that morning and there was nothing different than
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: any other morning they woke up. Siren song was quiet,
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: there was nothing going on. There was no one shouting,
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: there was no one looking, There wasn't someone screaming. There
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: was nothing happening on that boat in the first thing
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: in the morning.
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: She were missing, So.
• 21:17
  Speaker 8: What was going on?
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: What was he doing like waiting to pick up the phone?
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: You know what whilch If it was my loved one,
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: my family, any of my friends, I would be made.
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: I would be screaming, I would be shouting. I would
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: be calling for help. The boats were one hundred feet away,
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: maybe two hundred feet away. They would have if you did,
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: they'd have shouted. If Ryan Baine had shouted, they would
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: have heard him. And they said that, and they're both
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: both experienced captains. They would have heard him say something.
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: And he said nothing to those boats.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: What about it? To you, k Ronalds, what do you
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: make of it?
• 21:49
  Speaker 8: I just think there's a lot of contradiction happening.
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: Though.
• 21:53
  Speaker 9: The story from the captain of the Sirens Song differs
• 21:56
  Speaker 9: completely from the story given by the captains of the
• 21:59
  Speaker 9: two or In boats. As Andrew said, they both woke
• 22:03
  Speaker 9: up the next morning. It was a calm morning, nothing
• 22:07
  Speaker 9: appeared to be out of the ordinary, and both captains
• 22:10
  Speaker 9: of the other vessels confirmed that they if he had
• 22:15
  Speaker 9: to set off a flare, if he had have shouted
• 22:17
  Speaker 9: her name, even it would have woken them up. It
• 22:20
  Speaker 9: would have alerted them and they would have helped search.
• 22:22
  Speaker 9: So there is a reason that only he knows why
• 22:26
  Speaker 9: he didn't call the Coastguard on the phone. He didn't
• 22:30
  Speaker 9: call them on the radio, he didn't shout for help,
• 22:32
  Speaker 9: and it's not acceptable that the answer would be, well,
• 22:36
  Speaker 9: she might have gone to shore to have drinks with friends.
• 22:40
  Speaker 9: If she did that, then she would have had to
• 22:42
  Speaker 9: have swum to shore. It was COVID, there was a curfew.
• 22:46
  Speaker 9: From what she told us that all the bars and
• 22:48
  Speaker 9: restaurants closed at ten pm. So there is no logical
• 22:54
  Speaker 9: explanation to delay calling the Coastguard by nine hours unless
• 23:00
  Speaker 9: you are waiting for something to something else to happen,
• 23:06
  Speaker 9: for a suitable time to pass. Maybe he went back
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: to the boat and he fell asleep. None of it
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: is excusable, but none of it is acceptable as a
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: reason not to call the post Guard.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: And of course there is the little town there. Back
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: to Jeff Jones joining us from ASAR Disaster Area Response Team,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: what can you tell me about how far the yacht
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: was moored from the town and what about the town itself?
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: I would say between one hundred and forty one hundred
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: and sixty feet and it's just around the corner from
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: Cruise Bay, in which Cruise Bay is our local town.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: From Cruise Bay, which is the city center, so to speak,
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: for our island here on Saint John. It's where all
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: the bars, restaurants, shopping, the watersports, the dive shops. Everything's
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: located at It's maybe a three minute walk from there,
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: just around the corner in another bay called Frank.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Bay, So very very close.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: But the issue is, what are we supposed to believe
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: that she jumped into the water and swam ashore. I mean,
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: tell me about the underwater terrain, Jeff.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: Where it's at exactly. It is probably between fifteen to
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: twenty feet feet, but within fifty feet it gets into
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: five foot of water. It's a very very clear bay
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: that's primarily sandy bottom with some rocks and reef and
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: ball but for the most part, it's a pretty shallow bay.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: Most of all of our waters down in the Caribbean
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: are shallow. When we initially started began doing our grid
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: search patterns, we were doing in small craft, trying to
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: cover the most amount of area quickly, and we were
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: most of that was done, you know, visually above the
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: water because the water is so clear. At the next day,
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: when we were doing dies in forty to fifty foot
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: of water, we could see, you know, visibility forty fifty
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: foot deep easily.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm also curious and I'm going to throw
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: this to Andrew and Kate, I want you to hear
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: what she left behind on her boyfriend's yacht.
• 25:13
  Speaker 11: Sarm's phone, wallet, and passport were left behind on the
• 25:16
  Speaker 11: boat and it turned over to the police. An intensive
• 25:19
  Speaker 11: search of the coastline begins, with dogs on shore, divers
• 25:22
  Speaker 11: in the water, and drones overhead. As word spreads of
• 25:26
  Speaker 11: the missing woman. A local dog walker on Saint John
• 25:29
  Speaker 11: says they heard a scream out at see in the
• 25:31
  Speaker 11: direction of where the catamaran was anchored around the time
• 25:34
  Speaker 11: of Sarm's disappearance.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: So one person hears a scream, they think they don't
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: know where it came from. I'm also intrigued Andrew Baldwin,
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Okay suspicious.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Her wallet, her phone, her.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Passport all still on the yacht. So that completely destroys
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: the theory that she.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Went back in town.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Somehow what swam and went back into town even though
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: everything was closed during COVID dripping wet and uh oh,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: she figured out her wallet, her credit cards, her ID,
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: her passport, so she couldn't get anything to eat, she
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: couldn't get anything to drink.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: She's dripping wet. Help me out.
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: She wouldn't have left those items in the first place.
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: And you know, she definitely wouldn't have gone swimming. She's savvy.
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: She wouldn't be swimming at night. You know, hey, Owen
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: who traveled with her, they were really really clean. Don't
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: swim at night in the Caribbean on your own. You
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: don't swim on your own. You need to tell us
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: where you are. There's no reason why she would leave
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: those things. She wouldn't leave those things. She'll never never
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: get off the boat leaving her her phone, her ID,
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: her wallet, not willingly.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: What about it, Kate Vernold's.
• 26:46
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it's ridiculous to suggest that she went
• 26:49
  Speaker 9: to shore and left everything. Yeah, you can have the
• 26:52
  Speaker 9: watertight bags, but she wouldn't swim to shore and leave
• 26:56
  Speaker 9: everything there. It's her passport, her iPad, her her wallet.
• 27:02
  Speaker 9: That the suggestion that she went to shore after seeing
• 27:05
  Speaker 9: that those thingers were left on the boat is just
• 27:07
  Speaker 9: another statement that doesn't ring true to anyone. I don't
• 27:12
  Speaker 9: think that that would be a viable thing that anyone
• 27:15
  Speaker 9: would do.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: In the last weeks, newly released CCTV closed circuit TV
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: footage has revealed what I consider to be a very
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: critical clue.
• 27:28
  Speaker 10: Listen the family complains about the CCTV footage they are
• 27:32
  Speaker 10: shown by police, not just because they don't get to
• 27:34
  Speaker 10: see all of it, but the clothing she is wearing
• 27:37
  Speaker 10: in the footage is not what she is described as wearing.
• 27:39
  Speaker 10: According to the last witness to see her. It stated
• 27:42
  Speaker 10: that Sarm was wearing a black dress with flowers on it,
• 27:46
  Speaker 10: but in the CCTV footage she is wearing a top
• 27:49
  Speaker 10: with either shorts or skirt. The black dress was also
• 27:52
  Speaker 10: not among items returned to the family after she vanished.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, that is a very big issue. Why were we
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: told by being the boyfriend that she's wearing a black
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: dress when clearly that's not what she's wearing. She's not
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: wearing that, and that very same black dress was not
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: amongst the items for clothing and all of her possessions
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: that were returned to the family after she disappeared. So
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: where's the black dress and why the wardrobe change?
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Or is it all a big lie?
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Andrew Baldwin, do you see the significance of this.
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: We've never really been able to get to the route
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: the crux of that issue, because you know, I think
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: he said that very early on about the clothing and Obviously,
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: no one's been able to question him or asking questions
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: about that point because he's now not talking and he's
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: so and that's just something that he could clear up.
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: You know, maybe there's an explanation.
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: I don't know, but the fact that you're not talking
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: means you can't tear up anything.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Kate Vernold's joining us from a roommate of arms. What
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: do you make of the missing black dress in the
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: alleged wardrobe change in the middle of the night.
• 29:06
  Speaker 9: I think it's possible that after the CCTV footage she
• 29:11
  Speaker 9: goes back to the boat, she gets changed. That could
• 29:13
  Speaker 9: very well be the reason that Brian says that that's
• 29:16
  Speaker 9: what she's wearing.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, no, wait, wait, wait, Kate, you're gonna have
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: to help me with your timeline, because we see them
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: on the footage going back to the dinghy, getting on
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: the dinghy which is going to take them back to
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: his yacht. He says they went to sleep at ten pm,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: So change clothes into a black cocktail dress for what?
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: And when I mean, we see them they've gone out
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: to dinner, it's dark, they're heading back to the yacht,
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: and when was she supposed to change clothes and for what,
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: And where's the black dress?
• 29:55
  Speaker 9: Yeah, no one knows where this black dress is or
• 29:58
  Speaker 9: where the suggestion of a black dress even came from.
• 30:01
  Speaker 9: That's literally Brian's word against anyone's. And as you can
• 30:04
  Speaker 9: see from the CCTV footage, she's not wearing a black dress.
• 30:09
  Speaker 9: So is it a mistake that he made when he
• 30:12
  Speaker 9: described what she was wearing when she went missing, or
• 30:16
  Speaker 9: perhaps it is just a Freudian slip.
• 30:22
  Speaker 8: I have no idea where the black dress is.
• 30:24
  Speaker 9: We wasn't in her belongings when they were returned by
• 30:27
  Speaker 9: the police. So it's just another one of those little
• 30:31
  Speaker 9: trip ups that doesn't you know.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Okay, I appreciate your phraseology, but some would say, boyfriend, Bain,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: why are you lying? She's clearly not wearing a black dress.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: According to you, Bain, you leave dinner, you get on
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: the dinghy, you go to the yacht, and then you're
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: asleep very shortly after that at ten pm. That's his words,
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: not mine. So why the wardrobe change? You don't remember
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: remember what she was wearing that night a couple of
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: hours before. Yeah, see, I've got a problem with that.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: But that said, I've got another problem when your beloved
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: goes missing, and instead of talking to police, you claim
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: the Fifth Amendment. Okay, the Fifth Amendment right to remain silent. Now,
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: judges instructuries you are not to consider or note that
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: a suspect chooses to remain silent and take the Fifth Amendment.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: That's neither here nor there. But look around, everybody.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: We're not in court.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: We can comment, and hell.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Would freeze over before I would stay silent while my
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: husband is missing.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: But that is what happened. Listen.
• 31:51
  Speaker 11: Bain's actions during the investigation have come under scrutiny from
• 31:55
  Speaker 11: Sarm's family. Bain claims his lawyer advises him to use
• 31:58
  Speaker 11: his Fourth Amendment right to prevent a full forensic search
• 32:01
  Speaker 11: of his yacht, and when police tried to question him,
• 32:04
  Speaker 11: he invokes his Fifth Amenment right to remain.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Silent and he takes off.
• 32:08
  Speaker 11: Bain leaves the Virgin Islands five weeks after Psarm's disappearance
• 32:12
  Speaker 11: while the search is ongoing, and sets sail for Grenada,
• 32:15
  Speaker 11: where he replaces the refrigerator in the Siren Song. Bain
• 32:19
  Speaker 11: then removes the name from the luxury catamaran and sells
• 32:22
  Speaker 11: it for around a quarter of a million dollars and more.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Dark clouds on the horizon when Bain's ex wife Cory
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Stephenson rais him.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: With the disappearance of PSARM, Bain's ex wife, Cory Stephenson
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: publicly states he was violent during their marriage and he
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: was even arrested on domestic assault charges against her that
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: landed him in jail.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: None of this Boat's will, Andrew Baldwin has the boyfriend
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Bane just completely dropped off the map. Is like SARM
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: never existed.
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: He did, you know?
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: He the only person that was talking on in behalf
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: of it with his law was his lawyer. So we
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: weren't able to the police, weren't able to answer any questions.
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: And you know, and I don't know the US legal system,
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: but why can't he answer questions with the lawyer there?
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: Why can he? You know, I don't think the police
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: were saying that you're under arrest. We just want to
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: know what you know. And he didn't even answer those questions.
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: It's only been more recently that he has come out
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: on social media with some information that he wanted to
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: share some information that there's more about poking holes in
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: the investigation from.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: His side and what would that be Andrew Baldwin that
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: he has shared recently.
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: So he said an open letter that kind of talks
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: about things that he thinks that that could have happened,
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: that talks about some and which talks about Kate Owen,
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: which which suggests, you know, kind of puts up a
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: defense and says, you know, everyone that's talking about him
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: is only looking at one side. They're not looking at
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: his side, and they're not they're asking him him. No
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: one could ask you because she didn't answer any questions
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: and you wouldn't talk. So therefore, you know, if you'd
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: come forward and have a conversation with the police, with
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: your lawyer president, maybe.
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: Maybe you know, maybe there's information that you have.
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: That could have could have could have found out earlier
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: what happened that night to sar you.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Know Kate Ronald's are This statement issued by the then
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: boyfriend basically says I didn't murder her. Why not speak
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: at the time the search was going on. Why just
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: issue a comment when you can't be questioned.
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's absolutely no reason not to speak to the police.
• 35:01
  Speaker 9: If you haven't done anything wrong, then just speak to
• 35:04
  Speaker 9: the police and tell them what you know.
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: His attorney said that.
• 35:09
  Speaker 9: There's nothing wrong with him getting an attorney before he
• 35:12
  Speaker 9: calls the coast guard. That's perfectly normal. I don't think
• 35:15
  Speaker 9: that's personally perfectly normal at all. I don't think anyone
• 35:19
  Speaker 9: would even think to do that unless they've done something wrong.
• 35:22
  Speaker 9: If your loved one, your friend, a crew member has
• 35:25
  Speaker 9: gone missing, and you've done nothing wrong and there's no
• 35:30
  Speaker 9: foul play, why do you need to call your attorney.
• 35:35
  Speaker 8: I don't think that's normal behavior.
• 35:38
  Speaker 9: I think it's completely not normal to seek for help
• 35:44
  Speaker 9: and to tell your story, to tell.
• 35:46
  Speaker 8: The police what's happened. Is not normal to go into social.
• 35:49
  Speaker 9: Media and post your story before you've even spoken to
• 35:52
  Speaker 9: the police. And just to add to that, his attorney
• 35:56
  Speaker 9: said that if the police did want to speak to him,
• 36:00
  Speaker 9: all they had to do is reach out to Ryan
• 36:02
  Speaker 9: and ask him to come back and make a statement.
• 36:05
  Speaker 8: Why do the police need to ask you to come
• 36:06
  Speaker 8: back and do that.
• 36:07
  Speaker 9: You were her boyfriend, you supposedly loved her, and your heartbroken.
• 36:13
  Speaker 8: Why aren't you just voluntarily going back to.
• 36:15
  Speaker 9: The US Virgin Islands and speaking to the police to
• 36:18
  Speaker 9: make your statement.
• 36:19
  Speaker 8: Why do you have to be asked.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: In this bizarre five page quote open letter the so
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: called boyfriend Ryan Bain, speaks mostly about himself, how he
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: has been vilified and placed under a quote false sense
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: of suspicion, and he says the truth is I just
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: wanted to protect myself.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, I have a concern with that.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Of course, if this ever did go to a jury
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: trial and he is presumed innocent, of course.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: No one could comment on his right to remain silent.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: But we're not in court. We can analyze the facts
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: as we see them. The letter is addressed to investigative journalists,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: and for the most part, rails against what he calls
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: unfair coverage, accusing the media of omitting crucial facts.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Really, what facts?
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: What facts?
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: If he has facts.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: That are unknown to everyone else, let's hear them.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: He claims, no one observes signs of a fight.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Was anybody else on the yacht that could have seen
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: the fight if it existed? No evidence of an argument? Really,
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: no one else was on the yacht. Nobody knows what
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: has happened on the yacht. No scratches are marks to
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: suggest a struggle. Isn't it true that he would not
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: allow searches of his yacht so we don't know what
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: shape the yacht was in. I welcome mister Bain to
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: join us here on crime stories and give us his
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  Speaker 3: side of the story and recount all the facts to
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  Speaker 3: which he is referring that point to his innocence. In
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  Speaker 3: the meantime, if you know or think you know anything
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  Speaker 3: about the case, please dial eight hundred two two two
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  Speaker 3: eight four seven seven repeat eight hundred two two two
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  Speaker 3: eight four seven seven. We wait as justice unfals. Now
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  Speaker 3: we remember an American hero, Sheriff Robert Rogers, Wilcotx County
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  Speaker 3: Sheriff's Georgia, killed in the line of duty after twenty
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  Speaker 3: two years in law enforcement, leaving behind a grieving widow.
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  Speaker 3: Healey and son Robert. American hero Sheriff Robert Rogers. Nancy
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  Speaker 3: Gray signing off goodbye friend
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  Speaker 8: Eve.