Latest / Sports Card Clubhouse / Extra Innings Episode 4- Tony @SouthernCollector14 and Mike Petty
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- 0:01In a place called Hobbytown, there are all manner of
- 0:04collectors. He's a cantankerous commenter
- 0:08who is decidedly fresh to the hobby.
- 0:10What do you say there? Liver.
- 0:12Lips. And he's a country gentleman
- 0:15getting by on good old fashioned Southern charm.
- 0:18But when I'm with my cards I am carefree like a 12 year old.
- 0:22Can 2 vintage card collectors coexist in conversation without
- 0:26driving each other crazy? The cracked ice house treasures
- 0:30kaboomi kaboomi kaboomi. One-on-one, you got to get some
- 0:33southern drawl in this UK community, man.
- 0:37This is hobby talk with The Odd Couple, Tony, the Southern
- 0:42Collector, and Mike. Petty.
- 0:53Michael Petty. Back for round two extra
- 0:57innings, baby. Yes Sir.
- 0:59So here we are, Sports card clubhouse.
- 1:02We have never been on their. Stuff, I'll tell you this is
- 1:05quite the honor it is with you. I mean, because our other
- 1:08favorite might, one of my favorite shows has been on here
- 1:11like 6 weeks in a row already. So for the second ones to do
- 1:14this, so I know I really feel honored.
- 1:17I mean it's hard to believe that it's because they would never
- 1:19ask me on together. Would have to be with you.
- 1:21You're the only one that could put up with me for 5 minutes.
- 1:25I know. What'd you call him?
- 1:27The chatter head. The chat him.
- 1:30And and Jake. I guess that's what I call him
- 1:33Matt and. Yeah, I love Matt and.
- 1:35Jake and Jake and Coltie, That's right, Culty, Culty in Chatham,
- 1:40in Chatham. But though they do a great job,
- 1:42they're one of my. You know, Chatham is the show.
- 1:44He's in Providence, man. He's not in Boston, so you know.
- 1:47Yeah, I don't know what's the difference in this.
- 1:49I don't. Know, but he sounds like he's
- 1:50from Boston. But anyway, yeah, they literally
- 1:52are one of my top five shows I never miss.
- 1:55And I've I've listened to every one of them.
- 1:57If I can't watch them, I usually listen.
- 1:59They I just, I love their voices.
- 2:01I mean, like Jake's voice, He's just meant to be a talk show
- 2:05host. Yeah, he has that radio.
- 2:06Boy, yeah. Great voice.
- 2:08Yeah, great. Yeah, nobody's ever said that
- 2:11about us. I don't know, man.
- 2:13No. Yeah, it is what it is.
- 2:15So here we are. We're on the sports card
- 2:18Clubhouse, the brainchild of Adam and Greg Miller and and
- 2:26Junk Wax Mike. Junk Wax Hero.
- 2:27So, yeah, so Adam, splendid sports.
- 2:30So right. I feel honored that they wanted
- 2:33us to do this. So.
- 2:34Oh, great channel and I'd I'd say that I've listened to
- 2:36everything that they those guys do.
- 2:38Mike and and Greg have become a really good team on there and
- 2:43they just tackle some tough subjects.
- 2:46I think what we're going to talk about today is a excellent
- 2:50interview that Mike did with Paul Lesko.
- 2:55And I had made a, a comment on there, which was the very, and I
- 3:01probably, I didn't listen to the whole thing before I made this
- 3:04comment, but I, so I made the comment probably 5 or 10 minutes
- 3:07in because the thing was, is I had already saw, you know, David
- 3:14Crosby up there do his thing with Geo.
- 3:17We're calling him David Crosby. He's a David Crosby looker like
- 3:20he looks like Crosby still. Nash Right, right.
- 3:23But but anyway, yeah, so I already kind of heard him tell
- 3:27the story, what with the lawsuit or the fake lawsuit was about
- 3:31the arbitration. And you know, my first
- 3:34impressions were a couple of things that I saw.
- 3:37I was kind of on Devcon 5 when I was texting with Mike earlier
- 3:42today, and so I kind of wanted to share that in my e-mail a
- 3:46little bit. I'm not going to go word for
- 3:48word about what we. Well, go ahead and raise this
- 3:50comment. Real quick, so I basically what
- 3:53I wrote was I said zero respect for let's go Nash and young, no
- 3:57accountability for fanatics, eBay and arenas club.
- 4:02This is a waste of time. So I I guess it's showing my
- 4:06disappointment for not going past the agreement, you know,
- 4:13the sign up agreement or whatever the hell you want to
- 4:15call it. It was basically, you know, very
- 4:18confined to whatnot and to their terms of agreement.
- 4:21You know, it didn't go, it wasn't as broad as that what I
- 4:25felt I would have liked to see. And so I was disappointed when I
- 4:29wrote that and, and also had seen it with Gio and, and so
- 4:35like I, Mike had asked this as well, you know, he wanted to
- 4:37know, like, why is it that I'm mad at let's go?
- 4:40You know, he's a, and Mike has a relationship with him.
- 4:43I don't, I don't know the guy from Madam, but I, I, I respect
- 4:47him, as I said in our last our show over there.
- 4:50I mean, I certainly respect the guy as a, as an attorney and his
- 4:53ability and, and I'm sure he's going to win this case or he's
- 4:57going to win in arbitration some money for his clients, whoever
- 5:00signs up. So all the more power to him.
- 5:03But my point was is it's just not far reaching enough.
- 5:06It's a it's really an easy way out to kind of money grab in my
- 5:10in my opinion. So that's why I was disappointed
- 5:13and that's why I was just a little, I was upset.
- 5:16And at the time too, I'm, you know, getting ready for your
- 5:19show. I'm texting with Mike and he's
- 5:21probably at dinner or doing his thing.
- 5:23And I'm, I'm running around the house here trying to deal with
- 5:26people working around the house, you know, you know, my life over
- 5:30here. So I was a little, I was a
- 5:32little irritated by it, but that, that was really the, my,
- 5:35my first thoughts of the whole thing.
- 5:38I want everybody taken down. I I want all these mystery pack,
- 5:43if nothing else, be held to the standard that you're calling
- 5:46this gambling, for crying out loud.
- 5:48Let you need to follow the a little bit of a few rules, you
- 5:53know, instead of you're making just millions and millions of
- 5:56dollars. But pay.
- 5:57Everybody's a it's a money. Grab adults are able to gamble.
- 6:01I mean, it's they. Are, but they're not calling it.
- 6:03Gambling. Stop playing devil's advocate,
- 6:05obviously. Yeah, but what?
- 6:07Why is it wrong for what? Not to have these backyard break
- 6:12scumbags on there? I mean, you talk about some
- 6:15scumbags doing their woo Hoo break.
- 6:20Look at this, look at this. Hey, look what I got.
- 6:24What's wrong with this? Step right up.
- 6:26Let me guess your weight. Step right up.
- 6:29Carnival Barkers. Yeah, with.
- 6:32Joker smile. Pretty much.
- 6:35I mean, it's pretty much what you're getting and and so, but
- 6:38that was my my initial feeling. And now that we've done the
- 6:41show, I had my I'm going to take my taking already my blood
- 6:45pressure pills will take a couple more.
- 6:47There you go. I'm I'm eating them like
- 6:49Chiclets. This is basically a petty minute
- 6:51drinking my. Booze.
- 6:52I'm just a lot more calm now than I was then.
- 6:55But it was so, he said. You know, And that was why I
- 6:58think I was just disappointed. And then the other thing was is
- 7:01that I just you know, why does he need to go on sports
- 7:04clubhouse? Let's go.
- 7:06He already went on with with Gio in the morning.
- 7:09And then I told Mike, I mean, he says, well, Gio gets a lot of
- 7:13watchers. I go Gio is a scumbag breaker.
- 7:17He's the he should be implicated just like the guys from whatnot.
- 7:21He's on eBay live or fanatics and he's insulated by those
- 7:25multi billion dollar corporations, you know, So yeah,
- 7:29it pisses me off that he did that.
- 7:31That Mike, he didn't go on with MM has a a lot more watchers
- 7:36than Gio does. Gio's got the big podcast or
- 7:39whatever, but he doesn't have the watchers like Mike does.
- 7:43And Mike? Gio, He asked some good
- 7:45questions, but it was a conflict of interest.
- 7:47Man of. Course, and why would let's go
- 7:49go on with the breaker? Well, and then?
- 7:51Well, my point and Mike asked, he said well, and he made a
- 7:55good. You know, Mike is just he's an
- 7:57amazing guy and he much smart and look, there's a reason why
- 8:01he has a great channel. He's loved by everybody.
- 8:05And I'm not it's because I I'm a reactionary.
- 8:08I've got it when I get gut feelings and my book off it goes
- 8:15off. I don't control it.
- 8:17I don't try to control it. And as I've talked to you about
- 8:22in my personal life or when I meet somebody or in business,
- 8:25sometimes I think I tend to give people always the benefit of the
- 8:29doubt way too much. My wife is the one doesn't trust
- 8:33anybody. I don't, I have to run things by
- 8:35her and she says no, you need to get money up front from that guy
- 8:38or you need to do, you know, 'cause she's my buffer.
- 8:42Well, in this hobby, I have a gut feeling of things and I
- 8:48think that's what people like about.
- 8:50Well, they either like it or they don't like it, you know,
- 8:52and you're going to miss me when I'm gone.
- 8:54I'll tell you that right now, because nobody's going to speak
- 8:56the truth like I do. At least it's my truth and it's
- 8:59my gut feeling. And they've proven to be right
- 9:04more times than not. And that's why I share them
- 9:06with, with on screen here, to be honest with you, just because I
- 9:10feel that maybe one person will listen, maybe a couple people
- 9:13will say, yeah, you know, I, I have that same feeling.
- 9:16So my, my point with Geo was, is that it was such a conflict of
- 9:20interest that I, and I told Mike, I mean, well, what about
- 9:23fanatics? What about, you know, eBay, all
- 9:27these other companies and Arena Club and the, and the mystery
- 9:30packs. Well, Lesco's not doing anything
- 9:33with the mystery packs. Well, the mystery packs is part
- 9:35of the whatnot thing. Oh, is it?
- 9:37Yeah. But what about Arena Club, which
- 9:39is just basic slot machines and the other stupid thing with Jeff
- 9:43Wilson with PSA? Let somebody sue those guys.
- 9:46You know, if Lesco wants to do something and go out of his
- 9:49comfort zone where he never sues anybody of a hobby, he's a
- 9:52hobbyist. He reads us the, you know, the
- 9:56lawsuits. So I like I said, I respect
- 9:58that. And I mean, you know, like you
- 10:01said, if he can force a little bit of change.
- 10:03And Mike made a comment, commented to me too.
- 10:06He says, well, he says something about a birthday cake, you know,
- 10:11thanks for the birthday cake. How about 5 more, you know, like
- 10:15in other words, I'm not very appreciative of like the small
- 10:18little baby step. So you know, Mike is very well
- 10:22thought out and very, you know, calm and even and that's what we
- 10:25all love about them. That's why we love their
- 10:27channel. And so, you know, no, no
- 10:30disrespect to Mike. I personally, I was actually
- 10:33just saying that he deserved the damn interview first before Geo
- 10:39who's and he and Mike doesn't know Mike always he get he
- 10:43really does give everybody in the hobby the benefit of the
- 10:46doubt where I don't especially Gio, he said well, Gio's got a
- 10:49big audience. I go, yeah, but the guy, you
- 10:52know, I never forgive him for making an app and stealing two
- 10:56$2,000,000 a million from SGC, 1,000,000 from collectors.
- 11:00And he's going to build an app which was going to rival it was
- 11:03supposed to rival Whatnot, you know?
- 11:06And then he just, he bankrupts it, you know, and leaves all a
- 11:11bunch of people that are on his platform with all their on there
- 11:15and, you know, leaving them all pissing in the wind.
- 11:18And he takes his golden parachute, which I don't.
- 11:21He probably put some of his own money in.
- 11:23But the point was is like, you know, when you have a bankruptcy
- 11:26like that, you don't generally recover too quickly.
- 11:30Next thing you know, the guy's got 26 houses, you know, so none
- 11:34of that money from that $2,000,000 went into any of
- 11:37those buys to try to get it in the houses.
- 11:39They're all done with no money down or.
- 11:41Either that or that tells you how much Breakers make.
- 11:45They make exactly They're making a lot.
- 11:47He's making a lot of money handling.
- 11:48You do the math on these Breakers.
- 11:50And I like GR, I don't even begrudge the guy.
- 11:53I wouldn't trust him as far as I throw him.
- 11:55But you know, I, if I, if I saw him, I'd probably give him a big
- 11:59hug. I, I do appreciate his persona,
- 12:03his, his wit, you know, his, his standing in the hobby and he
- 12:07comes right out and tells you, you know, that he knows it's
- 12:10gambling and he's not, you know, he tries to be as transparent as
- 12:15he can. And So what more can you do?
- 12:18You know I mean I. Well, Mike asked Lasco.
- 12:21He said do you think there are good Breakers out there?
- 12:25And he said absolutely. There are up, you know, guys
- 12:28that are up front that are, you know, legit and they do the
- 12:32hobby of, you know, a good deal. You know, people are buying into
- 12:35them. They're can't afford a hobby
- 12:37box. But here's the problem, they
- 12:40suck you in with that crap, dude.
- 12:42They suck you in at the at the dollar table over there in the
- 12:45casino and you're just having fun.
- 12:48I'm not going to, man. The first time I ever gambled, I
- 12:50was in college and my team, the Belmont College baseball team, a
- 12:57Southern Baptist university, we would go every year to Daytona
- 13:02Beach to play in spring break. There's a dog track down there
- 13:06and coach, our head coach, the one of the finest men I've ever
- 13:10met, would take us every year to the dog track.
- 13:13Well, man, I didn't know that Mom and dad had given me like
- 13:17$40 to last me the whole week. Now we you know, the school is
- 13:20paying for our meals and stuff. Man I have $40 was gone in 15.
- 13:25Minutes like I was. Done.
- 13:27I blew that money. You know, we had guys.
- 13:30Over there going. Hey, the dog you bet on is the
- 13:33one that pees right before they go into the gate, so we're.
- 13:38I love the weasels. I love those weasels.
- 13:42I lost my my butt on that stuff and I learned, man, that first
- 13:47year, don't do that crap because you can get sucked in.
- 13:50Next thing you know, you're throwing money here, you're
- 13:53throwing money there. And if you've already got some
- 13:56sort of addiction problem. You can get.
- 13:58Sucked into that maybe cards was your escape, you know, you're
- 14:02collecting, you go on whatnot. You're going to get into this
- 14:06like, you know, the people do these, these fast action sales,
- 14:10kind of like Ash does on eBay, you know, eBay live things and
- 14:14you're doing that and you're and then all of a sudden this little
- 14:17AD pops up and you're like, what's this?
- 14:19You mean I could what I could win a show held tiny rookie card
- 14:23and all I got to do is put $10 in it.
- 14:25Next thing you know, dude, money, money, money.
- 14:28And they got you and you're always thinking I'm one more
- 14:32play away from winning the big prize.
- 14:34And people get addicted to that. That's why these gambling sites,
- 14:40you have to have safeguards and it's almost like a pack of
- 14:43cigarettes. You know, this causes cancer.
- 14:47Whatnot has none of that crap. And so honestly, they ought to
- 14:52be kicked in the butt for this. They ought to be kicked.
- 14:56In the butt. I don't know what they do.
- 14:59I really don't know how what the difference is between signing up
- 15:03for Fanatics or Sonic. So I mean I'm talking out of my
- 15:07ass really, because I'm not a breaker.
- 15:09I'm not and I I don't break and I don't I don't do the other
- 15:14thing. What's it called?
- 15:15The mystery packs, the arena club.
- 15:17So all I know is that it's gambling and that it's just not
- 15:20regulated and people are getting taken out back of the wood chip,
- 15:24the wood chipper and being, you know, beat like a red headed
- 15:27stepchild. That's all I know.
- 15:29So I don't like it. I'm not a.
- 15:31Big and make it bad. And I do believe there is a
- 15:34lawsuit that's coming that's going to be a little bit more
- 15:37broad reaching than this than this arbitration case that we're
- 15:42never going to know about. We're never going to know
- 15:44anything about this. I didn't share my comment, but
- 15:47my comment was hopefully this will cause whatnot to change a
- 15:51little bit, but I'm afraid it being an arbitration thing is
- 15:55going to be like a a flea bite on an elephant.
- 15:59Yeah, they'll, they'll change their stupid bylaws again.
- 16:02Nobody's going to hold them to count.
- 16:04You're going to still see the same boat behind the screen and
- 16:07nothing's really going to change and they won't monitor it
- 16:10anyway, you know what I mean? They don't care.
- 16:12Well, that's those guys. Get away with everything.
- 16:14I think what they're proving is they have this, you know, good
- 16:19speak on their thing, you know, we're this, we're that.
- 16:22But in reality, they knew this stuff was going on and didn't
- 16:26take action. You had a couple of perverts
- 16:29making comments about little girls and that guy wasn't kicked
- 16:34off. He's back on there doing his
- 16:36crap again. Well, he got suspended for a
- 16:37little. He's one of their biggest.
- 16:39Freakers. Yeah, screw him, man.
- 16:41That's that he's. A piece of crap.
- 16:43He shouldn't be on anything. He needed to be suspended for a
- 16:47while. He was the owner of the company
- 16:49or something. He needed to be suspended or
- 16:53have his income, you know, at least bitten a little bit to
- 16:57teach him a lesson. I own a company.
- 16:59If somebody worked under the umbrella of my company name and
- 17:03my name was up in the corner of the screen, when you were doing
- 17:06crap like that, you would have been more than suspended for a
- 17:09week. You would have never come up
- 17:12with my name on anything. And the fact they didn't do that
- 17:15shows you what that company stands for.
- 17:18They're a bunch of freaking scumbags.
- 17:20And then you go to the National and you walk into that area and
- 17:24they got the big whatnot thing. It looks like Las Vegas in
- 17:27there. Bunch of bells and whistles and
- 17:29the carnival barkers and the crap going off.
- 17:32I mean, like they say when you go to Vegas, they didn't build
- 17:35those buildings because they don't make money.
- 17:38Well, you know, they make those, those slots and everything, like
- 17:41whenever they open up those new casinos, you know, they're
- 17:43really loose at first, like the first month or so and they let
- 17:47they just let everybody win and let everybody win.
- 17:49Well, people have a great time. Then you come back, you can't,
- 17:52you know, basically don't want a thing.
- 17:55So like you said, they weren't made made for nothing.
- 17:59Yep. So we beat that dead horse.
- 18:02I hope. I hope the sports card clubhouse
- 18:04lets us back in after. That that wasn't, that wasn't
- 18:07anything we get. We love him, hey.
- 18:09If you if you like what you heard, go on my channel at
- 18:13Southern Collector 14. Eddie and I do this once a
- 18:17month. And so anyways, we like to talk
- 18:20about hobbies. Great channel.
- 18:21You have a you have a lot of beautiful segments.
- 18:23Mine, our little show here once a month is not one of them, but
- 18:27you do a lot of other great things for the hobby.
- 18:30I wanted to bring up this topic, so this is something that was
- 18:34shared on the sports card clubhouse with Greg Miller,
- 18:38Midlife Sports cards and Mike Junk Wax Hero.
- 18:41They had Mike Moynihan on This was a big sale.
- 18:44So this was the sale of the Aaron Judge 2013.
- 18:50I'll just read it. This Fanatics collect breaking.
- 18:53We're excited to announce that we just brokered a $5.2 million
- 18:57private sale for the 2013 Aaron Judge Bowman Chrome Draft.
- 19:01One of one super fractor autograph.
- 19:04This is an all time record sale for any modern baseball card.
- 19:08Judge joins Get this bonus Wagner Bakery and Mickey Mantle
- 19:15as the only baseball players in history to have a trading card
- 19:19sell for. 5 million. Dollars.
- 19:25That's a lot of glue. So insane, dude.
- 19:29I you know, we could spend a whole hour talking about this
- 19:32like. So First off, what's your
- 19:34thoughts on this sale? I think whoever, well, I can't
- 19:38really say because I'm on somebody else's channel here.
- 19:42Say whatever you. Want what I what I would like to
- 19:46say is I think the buyer of this card is pretty much F in the
- 19:49head. That's what I'd like, but I
- 19:51would have said the F word if it had been on your channel.
- 19:54And I think that the card looks to me like it says 10 centering
- 19:58looks a little off centered to me.
- 20:00And if I was the buyer of this card, I think I would spend, I
- 20:04don't know, maybe like another hundred 200 grand to get a gold
- 20:07sticker on it doesn't have enough gold on it.
- 20:11Well, that's the thing you don't have to worry about centering
- 20:14because it ain't trying to out do something.
- 20:16This is his best card. It is.
- 20:19It is his absolute best, it's his one of one super fractor
- 20:23rookie and it has autograph on it so there is no better than
- 20:27this so I get it so but. He's a half a hitter.
- 20:31Let's just face it, the guy's a great the guy he's he's a freak
- 20:34out there when he's playing. I mean, I, I respect the guy as
- 20:38a, as a man and a player. You know, he's, I've, I've heard
- 20:41stories about him on how he's, you know, taking the fans and
- 20:45he's nice to the kids and stuff like that when they meet him and
- 20:48he, he's just a oops. He's just a quality guy.
- 20:52Great player. The guy, did he hit like 360 or
- 20:54something last? But here's the thing.
- 20:56He has not had one clutch moment in the playoffs or a World
- 21:00Series. He's that one clutch moment.
- 21:04I thought it was a beautiful moment when he dropped the ball
- 21:07in center, when he dropped the ball in center and the Dodgers.
- 21:09Went to your Dodgers. You.
- 21:11Love that crap. So.
- 21:13So Greg Miller asked this question.
- 21:16This was interesting, I thought to Mike Junkwax, hero and to
- 21:20Mike Moynihan, baseball collector.
- 21:22He said I'm going to read it. Will this card be able to be
- 21:27sold for more in five years? And will it be able to be sold
- 21:32for more? Remember, this is the way it's
- 21:34worded in 30 years. What's your thoughts?
- 21:37In five years, will it sell for more than 5.2 million?
- 21:41And then in 30 years, will it be able to be sold for more than
- 21:45that? No, F&Y, I'm not leaving.
- 21:48I'm not leaving. No, no, it's not going to sell
- 21:52for in five years. No, he'll probably end up
- 21:54breaking a bone or, you know, getting her to run into a wall
- 21:58or doing something stupid. In five years.
- 22:00It's, it's, it's a big no. I know I'm a no.
- 22:04And in 30 years, I think there's a possibility.
- 22:07I'd, I'd say that I probably would go yes, only because by
- 22:10then the dollar will be worth your $30 million or your, your
- 22:14$5,000,000. It'll be worth, you know, like
- 22:17probably 100,000. Yeah, well, so you you agree
- 22:22with Junk Wax Hero that's. Great minds think alike.
- 22:26Yeah, here's what Here's what my thoughts are.
- 22:29I say yes in five years because he's still relevant.
- 22:33In 30 years, you know, he could be Rodger Maris.
- 22:38No, he'll be in the Hall of Fame.
- 22:39So who would that be More like? Willie Mays is in the Hall of
- 22:43Fame. He ain't going to ever have a
- 22:45card sale for $5 million. No.
- 22:48So, you know, it doesn't mean you weren't really good.
- 22:51But here's the thing about Aaron Judge, what I just said.
- 22:55He doesn't really have that IT factor other than he plays in a
- 22:58big market for the Yankees. But what has he done?
- 23:02Derek Jeter was the IT guy. He ain't had no card sale for
- 23:07$5,000,000. So if I was the dude who bought
- 23:11this, the exit strategy on this would worry me dude.
- 23:15My exit strategy would be right now trying to.
- 23:19I'd be trying to flip it tomorrow for making.
- 23:21You'd be trying to find. Whoever the underbeater, find
- 23:23the next dummy hot potato. Oh my gosh.
- 23:27Well, petty, we've given them 23 minutes.
- 23:31I think that's more than they want.
- 23:32I'm sure we're just wasting wavelength at this point.
- 23:35What's it called? Bandwidth.
- 23:37Well, man, thank you for doing this.
- 23:39And you look, if you don't usually watch us, I always say
- 23:42this at the end. You know Tony loves his baseball
- 23:44cards, and you're about to see why I say it, right?
- 23:47Petty. He does.
- 23:48Peace, love, Tony.