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Has Hate Killed Truth? Darkmatter2525 Seems to think so | Maintaining Frame 143 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to Honeybatg Radio. My name is Brian.
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  Speaker 1: I'm here with Alison and this is maintaining frame number
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  Speaker 1: one forty three, has Hate Killed Truth? Dark Matter twenty
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  Speaker 1: five to twenty five scenes to think? So where we're
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  Speaker 1: going to be responding to a request from one of
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  Speaker 1: our supporters, Richard Pierre. Where we'll be looking at a
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  Speaker 1: video from well athis YouTuber? Is that what they call themselves?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, dark Matter twenty five to twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: So yep, yeah, okay, well, I uh, before before we continue,
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  Speaker 2: it's up and uh yeah. So that those are the
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  Speaker 2: things except for one more. Okay, I put this through
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  Speaker 2: the AI and all it gave me was some really
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  Speaker 2: generic pessimistic a nihilism. And I was looking at this
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, what, well, okay, is there something
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  Speaker 2: that's put a b in his bonnet? Like something in particular?
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  Speaker 1: Could you want me to uh?
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  Speaker 2: Does he say it explicitly? Does he say explicitly?
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  Speaker 1: I mean there is There isn't much explicitly said. He
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  Speaker 1: does go into a clip from a segment from I
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  Speaker 1: think his name is Roger Waters or something. He's like
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  Speaker 1: a anchor at Fox News, and he uses it as
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  Speaker 1: an example of this trend he's trying to talk about,
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  Speaker 1: but he really doesn't directly make any like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: specific alligation other than we have moved away from truth
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  Speaker 1: and we live in a world where tyranny is celebrated,
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  Speaker 1: and hate is mainstream, and it's all over for us.
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  Speaker 1: I used to like believe in rationality and like common sense,
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  Speaker 1: but all the humans are stupid except for me, and
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  Speaker 1: therefore we're all doomed because of ignorance and all of that.
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  Speaker 1: And so I mean, Richard, I want to know why
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  Speaker 1: you sent this to us, because I'm just gonna put
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  Speaker 1: it out there. Okay. Allison does not like to talk
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  Speaker 1: about politics at all. She avoids it like the plague.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you noticed, but she does not
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  Speaker 1: want to talk about it because it alienates people, It
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  Speaker 1: pisses people off, and really it would just be better
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  Speaker 1: if we just talked about, like, you know, men and women,
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  Speaker 1: because ultimately all of its spawns from that. Everything everything
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  Speaker 1: blossoms forth from the relationship between men and women. Okay. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the reason why I think this is like, I want
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  Speaker 1: to know what your like. You know, the purpose in
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  Speaker 1: doing this is is that the only thing I can
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  Speaker 1: presume because I watched the video, dark Matter has a
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  Speaker 1: problem because he is a liberal that is no longer
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  Speaker 1: seen as the arbiters of moral truth. That's what his
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  Speaker 1: problem is, and he doesn't want to let that go.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't want to let it go because he like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of liberals. And when I say it, I
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  Speaker 1: don't mean this in a derogatory sense. I'm being descriptive
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  Speaker 1: because Carl Benjamin Sargon of a cod would have said
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  Speaker 1: this exact same thing. They simply believe that their worldview
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  Speaker 1: is correct, like correct in every instance, and everyone who
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  Speaker 1: doesn't live up to it, there's got to be something wrong.
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  Speaker 1: And it usually comes down to them being like an
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  Speaker 1: intellectual you know, midget, or moral failure, or they're they're
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  Speaker 1: full of hatred or whatever, because they can't come to
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  Speaker 1: the table like adults and say, here are my concerns.
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  Speaker 1: Do you share these concerns and then like listen to
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  Speaker 1: their response to that. No, they don't do that, Like
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  Speaker 1: dark Matter isn't even telling us specifically what he's worried about,
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  Speaker 1: because I think it is hard of hearts. He knows
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  Speaker 1: he's wrong and he can't admit it. So his pride
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  Speaker 1: is Hubris puts him on this path of just saying,
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  Speaker 1: you know, obtuse and like vague things about hate and
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  Speaker 1: tyranny and you know people, and then he does this
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  Speaker 1: both sides thing a lot where you know, it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: everyone is doing that, but of course not him. Not him,
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  Speaker 1: He's excluded from that completely. Everybody else is like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: throwing shit at each other in the primate cage. I'm
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  Speaker 1: on the outside because I'm you know, above all of that.
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  Speaker 1: This is the problem. So all I will say is
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  Speaker 1: he essentially goes into he essentially just vaguely talks about
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  Speaker 1: how we live in a world where people want to
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  Speaker 1: be lied to and they want to hate and there
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  Speaker 1: and there's so much division and blah blah blah. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, he was He's like he thinks it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: come to nuclear holocaust for some reason, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: and all of this. And it's like, you you haven't
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  Speaker 1: even spoken to anybody about this. You're just in your
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  Speaker 1: bubble because you're a free to your head. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: you're just talking about what you think you see. You
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  Speaker 1: know what it is. It's exactly the same thing that
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  Speaker 1: Natty does. It's exactly the same thing, except Natty's super
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  Speaker 1: religious and this guy is super anti religious. But they're
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  Speaker 1: both on the same page when it comes to this
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  Speaker 1: and not wanting to understand like that they might be wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Like that's all it is guys, that's all you gotta do.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Can I offer an observation and this is this may
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  Speaker 2: sound like my both sides, so don't jump on me
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  Speaker 2: too quick, but I think that what's happened is the
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  Speaker 2: discourse has become about being right rather than searching for truth.
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  Speaker 2: And I see this.
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  Speaker 1: From for Okay, go ahead, tell me how it comes.
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  Speaker 2: I see this, well, okay, this is for both sides.
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  Speaker 2: And this is like I was listening to uh last
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  Speaker 2: night more of a I don't know if they qualify
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  Speaker 2: as the right wing, but they're part of the grievance
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  Speaker 2: studies thing. Yeah, but but they've come into the right
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  Speaker 2: wing and maybe this is this is this is like
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  Speaker 2: colonization or whatever. But it's like there's this behavior where
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  Speaker 2: it's not about seeking truth, it's not about finding a truth,
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  Speaker 2: is not necessarily about consensus. It's about persuasion, and not
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  Speaker 2: persuasion in a softest way, but persuasion through as close
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  Speaker 2: as you can get to logic and reason. I know
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  Speaker 2: we're not all Spock, we're not all like Ais with
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  Speaker 2: pure reason and pure logic, but that is a goal
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  Speaker 2: to strive for. Just because we fall short of the
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  Speaker 2: goal doesn't mean we shouldn't have it as a goal,
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  Speaker 2: but we come together to try to find truth through
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  Speaker 2: this process of analyzing logic and reason as best as
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  Speaker 2: we can right. And that has been replaced. The discourse
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  Speaker 2: has been replaced with wanting to be right. And I again,
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  Speaker 2: like Brian talked about how it all comes back to
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  Speaker 2: men and women, I think that is a very feminine impulse.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, it's not wanting to seek truth, it's not
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  Speaker 2: wanting to go through the merituac cratic process of having
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  Speaker 2: your ideas challenged. It's simply being accepted as right, as
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  Speaker 2: if right is a performance and the way that you
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  Speaker 2: become right is by getting consensus through the audience and
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  Speaker 2: not through not through reason and logic, but through the
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  Speaker 2: performance of rightness. I don't know something like that or
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  Speaker 2: or just what in many cases forced consent. And it's
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  Speaker 2: like we could talk about the politics, but I think
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  Speaker 2: ultimately a lot of this is coming down to people
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  Speaker 2: who do that, people who are open to seeing the
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  Speaker 2: truth as a process that you strive towards, and that
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  Speaker 2: reason and logic is you know you're not gonna you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna fall short, but you should still seek it. As
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  Speaker 2: a goal, and those who seem to just want.
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  Speaker 1: To be right.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, you might be watching my Twitter series
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  Speaker 2: like My Adventures on the platform formerly known as Twitter,
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  Speaker 2: but that is exactly what I'm dealing with and presenting
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  Speaker 2: in that series. It's that people, these people want to
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  Speaker 2: be right, and they want to be right so bad
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  Speaker 2: that they will turn themselves into clowns in the process.
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  Speaker 2: They will adopt the most ridiculous positions, the most ridiculous arguments.
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  Speaker 2: They'll refuse to see very simple and obvious connections between
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  Speaker 2: things just to be right, just retain their own perception
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  Speaker 2: that they're right right. So if they deny a very
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  Speaker 2: clearly stated argument premises correct and conclusions, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: the conclusions follow from the premises, and they absolutely deny
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  Speaker 2: the truth of it, that means somehow they're still right.
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  Speaker 2: And this is what I'm seeing over and over again.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like this behavior versus the behavior of understanding
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  Speaker 2: that you could be wrong, you could be incorrect about something.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean, people ask me why do you do this,
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  Speaker 2: and it's like, well, because I'm always prepared to be wrong,
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  Speaker 2: Like I'm always when I engage with people, I'm prepared
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  Speaker 2: to be wrong in the engagement. It doesn't happen often,
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  Speaker 2: but it does happen sometimes and anyway, So I think
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  Speaker 2: that the real dichotomy is between people who want to
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  Speaker 2: be right, like that is their reason for engaging with people,
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  Speaker 2: and people who want to find truth, and that's becoming
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  Speaker 2: smaller and smaller number. And I see it on both sides.
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  Speaker 2: So there's the mub both sides there, although you can
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  Speaker 2: argue that some of the stuff on the right may
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  Speaker 2: be maybe imported, but it's like we're getting. But on
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  Speaker 2: the other hand, it's when you look at it in
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  Speaker 2: terms of male and female, this isn't a mub both sides.
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  Speaker 2: This is a society at war with its men that
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  Speaker 2: is gradually or even quickly losing the virtues that men
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  Speaker 2: present and champion. And that's why I think that we
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  Speaker 2: are losing this. And in that sense, you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: it's not two sides, it's well, I mean, it is
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  Speaker 2: two sides. The side of recognizing the importance of virtues
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  Speaker 2: like merit and reason and logic as goals to strive for,
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  Speaker 2: and then on the other side, wanting to be right
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  Speaker 2: and wanting people to acknowledge you is right, and that
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  Speaker 2: somehow makes you right? Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? So I just want to say just to add
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  Speaker 1: on the grievance studies professors. I'm not trying to shit
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  Speaker 1: on them, but there are people who what And I
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  Speaker 1: remember I had Helen pluck Rose on the show like
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  Speaker 1: wild Match, it wasn't oh, it was James Lindsay or
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  Speaker 1: Peter Macgoziana. Yeah, so they're engaging. Look and again I
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  Speaker 1: like James Lindsay. I think he does good work when
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  Speaker 1: he does his research, but ultimately he's he is. He
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  Speaker 1: is on the left because he is overly concerned with
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  Speaker 1: like a the same thing that Dark Matter twenty five
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  Speaker 1: twenty five is concerned with. There's this there's this like
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  Speaker 1: space on the map that they don't know what's there.
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  Speaker 1: So there's like you know, they're here, there be monsters.
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  Speaker 1: There's a monster they're afraid of that may not exist.
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  Speaker 1: So they're engaging in a kind of containment. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that's that's not a right wing thing because
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  Speaker 1: what I see when I look at I think that
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  Speaker 1: there's obviously nothing is like absolute, like you know, our
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  Speaker 1: beliefs are exist on a spectrum basically, unlike you know,
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  Speaker 1: sex and and no, I'm seriously some people think this
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  Speaker 1: is you know, like they believe this or that or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that ultimately the difference is more in
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  Speaker 1: line with what you're saying. I think there are people
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  Speaker 1: who are like, look, I just want people to come
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  Speaker 1: to the table, and I'm willing to have a conversation
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  Speaker 1: and I'm willing to be proven wrong if we can
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  Speaker 1: talk about it. And then there are people who are like,
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  Speaker 1: I will not entertain this, and that's it right. And
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  Speaker 1: I've seen it, like I've seen people who I met
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  Speaker 1: at men's rights conferences that I thought were super cool
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  Speaker 1: on the men's issue stuff, and they have completely like
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  Speaker 1: lost their minds on just based on other things happening,
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  Speaker 1: like what's going on in Ukraine, what's going on in
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  Speaker 1: the Middle East, what's going on with like you know,
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  Speaker 1: in our in our government or whatever. And I think
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  Speaker 1: it's because for them, a line has been crossed, whatever
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  Speaker 1: it is, and they're in a place of insecurity because
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  Speaker 1: now their whole belief system is being called in a question.
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  Speaker 1: And I do believe ultimately I'm gonna I'm gonna try
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  Speaker 1: not to be like too aggressive, but I do ultimately
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  Speaker 1: believe that is a feminine instinct, a feminine mindset of
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  Speaker 1: because there is, like, you know, if you know that
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  Speaker 1: you believe the right things, there's like a certain safety
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  Speaker 1: that comes with it. And when that like gets shattered,
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  Speaker 1: then you're suddenly not safe. And that's not to say
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  Speaker 1: that it's only women, but there are lots of men
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  Speaker 1: who are like like dark Matter is, you know, his
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  Speaker 1: video is very feminine. He doesn't come, he doesn't get
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  Speaker 1: to the point. He he dances around the topic. He's
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  Speaker 1: very passive, aggressive. He implies a lot of stuff, Like
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't say these people are biggots, he just suggests,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he implies it, He impugnes it passively. It's
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  Speaker 1: very frustrating, and I'm reminded of how disconnected we have
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  Speaker 1: been from a more let's say, masculine frame of like
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  Speaker 1: having a conversation where there is like this, damn what
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  Speaker 1: people think. We're gonna talk, you know, face to face.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna say what we believe, and that's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: it if and if you're right, you're right, and if
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  Speaker 1: I'm right, I'm right. But like, ultimately, the when you
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  Speaker 1: have a conversation that way, the goal is not to
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  Speaker 1: look better than other people. The goal is to simply
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  Speaker 1: get to the truth, and it doesn't matter what people
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  Speaker 1: look like. And that's that's one of the reasons why.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's like the one thing that drives me
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  Speaker 1: to do these this content is ultimately I want to
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  Speaker 1: have conversations. And frankly, you know, the people who are
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  Speaker 1: willing to come to the table tend to be like
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  Speaker 1: more on the right, as in their libertarian minded and
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  Speaker 1: they're masculine minded. Karen is masculine minded. Alison and Hannah
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  Speaker 1: are masculine minded. I'm not saying they're men obviously, but
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  Speaker 1: their their their ability to like communicate is more in
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  Speaker 1: line with you know, I don't want to talk around shit.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to use flowery language. I'm not interested
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  Speaker 1: in rhetoric because rhetoric is like it's like putting the
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  Speaker 1: the ends before, like the ends justify the means kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing, like like.
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  Speaker 2: For example, more important than conveying me.
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  Speaker 1: It's like winning the conversation as though it's some kind
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  Speaker 1: of duel, even if you're using lies or manipulation or
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  Speaker 1: half truth or what manipative language to to get there,
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  Speaker 1: means that you're right. It's like no it doesn't mean
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't change the truth. Right, So yeah, and I
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  Speaker 1: see that all the time. Like I think, for example,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you know about this, but I
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  Speaker 1: bet people in the audience, you guys know who Hassan is, right,
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  Speaker 1: ends right.
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  Speaker 2: Activists are machines, dude.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, they are so literal machine they are talking. They
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  Speaker 1: are especially if you have like a couple of dudes
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  Speaker 1: who have good Holy you're fucking.
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  Speaker 2: Joy some of me trying to wrangle the cat.
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  Speaker 1: Hassan, Uh, he is a good example. He's obviously a
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  Speaker 1: bread tuber, very popular twitch through a birthday party for
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  Speaker 1: him Twitch. Okay, even though he's openly like said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like America deserved nine to eleven and all that. But
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  Speaker 1: when he he he had this beef with asthmen Gold,
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  Speaker 1: who's like this, you know, normy game YouTuber guy that
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  Speaker 1: has just kind of dragged got dragged into gamer Gate
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  Speaker 1: stuff and he's been sighting with the gamers because he
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  Speaker 1: is himself a gamer and he's becoming very popular. And
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  Speaker 1: Hassan's beef with him is not has nothing to do
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  Speaker 1: with whether or not asthmen Gold is right. It has
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  Speaker 1: everything to do with that with whether or not asthmen,
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  Speaker 1: Gold is in a five propagandist and that's literally the
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  Speaker 1: position he argues from. So we are we are? I
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  Speaker 1: think ultimately it comes down to people who are interested
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  Speaker 1: in what the truth is and people who are interested
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  Speaker 1: in winning the argument. And the people who are interested
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  Speaker 1: in winning the argument obviously don't think the truth is
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  Speaker 1: that important. And this is why it frustrates me when
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  Speaker 1: I watch this Dark Matter video, because ultimately he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: even know what his opposition believes because he doesn't talk
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  Speaker 1: to them. And Carl made a video like a little
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  Speaker 1: while ago. I think it was something about Reaping the
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  Speaker 1: Whirlwind where he basically, you know, said everything that I've
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: been saying for years, which is like, this is happening
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: to you. Were talking about the left, all of these
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: things that are happening to you, all of the defunding,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: all of the cutting out the fat and the waste
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: and everything else, and nobody's listening to you anymore. We're
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: done with this woke shit. We're just closing all the programs,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: getting rid of all of it. It's your fault because
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: at no point ever did you come to the table
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: and negotiate. And the reason is because you were so
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: sure that you were correct one hundred percent and that
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: everybody who didn't believe what you believed was evil, that
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: you just double down and double down and double down.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: And now we're taking your toys from you. And that's
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: what I've been saying. It's like it's going to come
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: to that. Why does Andrew Tate exist? Why does Andrew
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Tate exist? Is what I've been saying. Because men have
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: been shipped on for decades and at some point somebody's
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: gonna come along that's gonna offer them something that looks
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: like respect. And I'm not saying he doesn't. I you know,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I think that he's I don't know anything about. It
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter, though, guy, It doesn't matter because men are
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not. But it doesn't matter either way, because the
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: question is not whether or not he's good for men.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: The question is why does he exist? Because you have
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: allowed things to get so bad for men that they're
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: basically just like, fuck it, we're gonna foll this guy now.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Instead of coming to the table and saying what do
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: you need, instead of saying we're sorry, we treated like shit,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: you just keep doubling down. Why did Kamala Harris lose
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four election because they shot on men constantly,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: and when it was time, when they realized that they
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: had to do something, they had no idea what to
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: do because they got so accustomed to shitting on men
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: and expecting them to just give them votes that they
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: that they had no way to like lure them back.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: They're like we and and even when they talked about it,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: they're like, well, what we need is someone who represents us.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: But they like not not. We don't not we need
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: to address their issues. No, no, no, we don't want
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: to do that. What we want is to make them
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: think that they need us, So we're gonna trick them,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: and it just didn't work. And that's where we are now.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: This is this has always been the masculine frame versus
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: the feminine frame, and the feminine frame has been in
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: prominence for so long that when we see something masculine,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: it scares people because they don't know what it looks like.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: They're not fromiliar with it. So that's where we are.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, so.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna just briefly, uh maybe turn on the cats.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Uh bird sounds, bird sounds.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe that will satisfy her background noise.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she'll, she'll, she'll be satisfied. Oh wait, wait, she's
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: sitting down. Maybe we can continue the show. See everything
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: is ruled by Karen and Kats. That's the ultimate. Okay,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: So what I was gonna say, And the thing is,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I know people get offended when you say that masculine
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: versus feminine frame, But the thing is that we haven't
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: evolved beyond our mammal mammalian brain. I'm not even sure
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: what that would look like if we did. So. Men
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: and women do have different approaches. I mean, the science
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: is very clear and men women's approach is more performative,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: so they want to be perceived to be something, whereas
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: men tend to be more inclined towards wanting to know
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: the truth of things. And I mean both are not wrong.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's been very lopsided. And that's the
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: problem is the disbalance in the way that we've we've
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: been conducting ourselves and the fact that for some reason,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: we got it in our heads that the people who
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: constructed modern civilization, which is men, they were the ones
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: who innovated the ones who built it. And for the
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: most part, that's not to say that prior to the
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Industrial Revolution women didn't have an incredibly important role in
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: perpetuating society, et cetera. But we're talking about the current era.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: You know that they and the way that they approached
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: things wouldn't be essential to making sure our society works.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: We have, and we've just like just decided that. It's
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: like going to another culture and they have a way
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: of doing things, and they have a technology base and
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: they have run it for centuries, and then we just
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: decide and say, well, I think we can do it
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: better for no other reason than we're just better than you.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's really what's happened. And it's not just
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: women going into the workplace. It's women going into the
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: workplace with the attitude that they do not have to
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: listen to the people, not even to use men, the
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: people and the culture that created it, like that is
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: that's a problem. And I think that this discourse is
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: part of it. This moving the discourse from trying to
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: seek truth as something outside of yourself to seeking the
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: interior experience of being right and prioritizing the interior experience
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: of being right, which is what I am discovering with
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: my Twitter adventures. People who prioritize the internal experience of
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: being right the performance of being right, then they do
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: actually being truthful and not just being truthful, but not
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: looking like a complete ass in the process. And you know,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's And we have not even watched a
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: single second of this man's work.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: No, I know, but I just I wanted to lay
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the groundwork because he doesn't say a lot. Like I said,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: he talks around shit a lot. So but we can
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: play a bit of the beginning and then you'll see
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: what I mean. I don't know if you watched it,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: but yeah, let's I guess we could start listening to
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: some of this. So I will say that basically, the
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: male perspective, and I'm not saying that men. I'm talking
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: about like a more male centric perspective has not really
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: been in prominence for a while, but it's changing. Like
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: comedians are telling the jokes they want to tell, you know,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: people in power are saying they're speaking their mind and
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: they're not afraid, they're not like couching it in shit.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: And the people who are like threatening to go to war,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: by the way, that's not the masculine frame. Just saying oh,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: good lord like, and I've.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Been getting into arguments over women's role and starting wars.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I've been saying, who's been agitating for the latest war
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: all over Twitter? And you think that this is different.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Women always beat the drums of war, and if a
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: wire is popular with women, it doesn't happen.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I suspect that another white feather campaign is going
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: to happen. I actually have a feeling that might be
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: the case coming very soon.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, I will say this. In the Ukraine, all right,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: there has been the thing is that women seem to
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: respond in a variety of ways. The massive majority just
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: responds in terms of their own safety and their own
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: attitudes towards what they expect from men. There's the extreme
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: that engage in like radfem levels of contempt. And then
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: recently I heard that there was actually a woman who
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: suicide bombed the one of the recruitment officers, the recruitment
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: officers that are currently abducting Ukrainian men. So I mean,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: there are obviously women who will engage in extreme acts
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: because they care about the men in their lives, but
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: they're a small minority. Be nice to take that small
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: minority and somehow figure out how you make it a
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: big minority. Because if every woman in the Ukraine, or
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: in Russia for that matter, suicide bombed their officials when
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: they engaged in forced conscription, there would be no war,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: none whatsoever. Like, could you imagine that, Brian, could you
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: imagine an entire culture or an entire race of women
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: who are like, yeah, you you take our men, We're
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: gonna go suicide bomb you. There be, there would be
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: absolutely no way to and get used war, to use
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: men's bodies to solve political disputes. That would just be
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: it would just be over. But and so that is
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: a response, that is a response that women engage in.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: It's just so minute that it doesn't move the needle. Okay,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to point that out, Sorry, across the board,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: just like yeah, ha ha ha, you're going myself a
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: German husband, you know.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But I mean either like and and again I'm
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: sure that women have lots of different opinions on it,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: but like, it's it's men that are going to go
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: to war. At the end of the day, it's men
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: that are going It doesn't matter. Like if you know
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: there were men in their forties that had to fight
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: for Ukraine, and it was like almost I think I
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: heard and I don't know if this number is right,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: but it might have been like a third of Ukrainians died.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: What of that third, how many were men? Like is that?
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Does that not matter? Like' and again like but there
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: are people, Oh no, we got to win. Well, what
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: do you mean like six hundred thousand Russians died too?
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Like that there were men men? By the way, Like
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I know people say Russians or Ukrainians, but we're talking
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: about men that are dying. And because somebody says, look,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: we gotta like make peace, Well, who're the ones saying that, no,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: we should like go take this all the way? There
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: are people who completely have lost their mind about this.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: It's like they forgot that there's there are people who
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: are killed and those people are men.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, I want to I might this might come across
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: as a criticism of Trump, but the ultimate what has
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: ultimately happened to Ukraine seems like Russia has taken one
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: half and then the US has ended up taking another
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: in terms of its mineral rights. And I don't see
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: any any benefit to the country to any of this
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: crap having happened. And it's unfortunate because I think that
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: the Biden regime was probably in some ways responsible for
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: all of the hairy crap in that region. I just
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: got our channel demonetized, you know, and it's like it's
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: just really anyways, yeah, or just I just got us
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: kicked off, and it's like, it's like, I don't know
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: what to say.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: There's a tactic to putting Americans over there, though, to work,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: because then they're they're less likely to push in further.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: If there's American workers, like construction workers and stuff occupying
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: the land, it might be a tactical thing. But uh yeah,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: I mean like it's a mess. But like, you know, what,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? I mean, when when they
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: didn't even invade until Biden got in an office, so
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: what does that mean?
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: And you know, but well, because it like here's the problem.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: It's it's almost like you get two different flavors of
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know, insanity. But regardless, let's let's move on.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I don't want to like you. Like you said, I
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: don't particularly like talking about politics because it alienates people.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: And although it does, it doesn't actually raw draw a
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: lot of eyeball in my experience people love because it
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: makes it concrete what we're talking about.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's like putting it in focus. That's that's
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: what I see discussing what's happening in the world as
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: an opportunity to talk about, like to sort of bring
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: in the the angle you know that we normally focus on.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: It says do you care this much about Palestinians? No, no,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: we don't again and pounding drums. That's that's like something
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: that's so old.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: It's I just relax, Okay, yeah, I mean I'm not
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: over there. But obviously there are Palestinians that are men.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Actually most of the people in Gaza are women and children,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: but probably a lot of boys because that's all that's left.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: And and yeah, I think it's a travesty. What do
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: you want from me? Want me to go down and
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: strangle bb net and Yahoo for you? Is that what
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: you want? Because guess what, I can't do that. Okay,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: things in the way that well whatever, you know what
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. He's just like, why aren't you talking about
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: the thing that I think you should be talking about
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: in the way that I think you should be talking
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: about it? And it's like, this is our show. We
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: have our topics. Okay, yeah, Jesus Christ, yes you want
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: if you want to make videos, make videos.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yes, yeah, exactly, And honestly, I only touched
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: on the Ukraine briefly because I wanted to talk about
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: force conscription, women's responses, and women's role in engaging.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Because that's the real topic. I mean, Kiera Starmer's talking
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: about putting boots on the ground and that's going to
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: affect the uk So if I bring that up, am
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I am I like ceasing? Like am I deciding not
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: to talk about your particular pet group of people like
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I in in in whatever way that makes sense. My
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: advocacy for men does not have limits. It's just wherever yours,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: by the way, does have limits because you don't think
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: cops are men. You don't think they're people, for example.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: So just you know, stew it, Okay, make videos, do
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: your thing over there, leave us alone. I got I
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: got videos to make over here about men, all of them,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: no matter what, okay, no matter what their skin color,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: no matter what their language, no matter what their religion,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: whether I like them or not, I'm going to talk
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: about all of them. Okay, yep, so anyway, yeah, so
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: let's listen to go ahead.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Sorry, no, let's let's actually listen to some Let's stop.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I'm not I don't want to argue with the chat.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not. I've made my point.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't make your point. I've been feeling with
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: something similar over on Honey Badger Radio, somebody who wants
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: me to put my name and face to their white
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Lives Matter rhetoric, and I'm like, well, but the thing
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: is that I'm not interested in steparating black men from
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: white men in terms of advocacy. I will if they
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: have different things that you need to advocate for relative
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: to them. But I think that all of this shit
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: starts by separating men and saying this group is more important,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: this group is less important. Let's let's condemn this group.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: And I'm not talking about not condemning people who do
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: engage in criminal activity. But yeah, I advocate for men.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: It's been one of the hardest things to do is
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: to keep saying keep at that advocacy for men, because
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: there's so much invitation to start fractionalizing and saying no,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I don't advocate for this group of men.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Disagree with Well, that's that's the point of that stuff.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: That's the point of it is so that you you're
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: now talking about a small slice instead of like looking
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: at the big picture. Like there are men everywhere, and
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: they all they all like maybe the challenges are different,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: you know, depending on the culture. But yeah, I mean
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: men are men. So yeah, I'm with that. I don't
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: I don't give a shit about the Black Lives Matter movement.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: I don't care about the White Lives Matter movement. I
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: don't care about you know, the whatever, like whatever it is.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: You know, it's just like I'm gonna I'm just gonna
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: talk about it in the and in the ways that
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: I think makes sense for me. Like I live in
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: the United States, so this is like the country I'm
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: particularly focused on.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, so let's uh, let's keep okay, So.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Let's watch the video. Let's listen to the beginning of it.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: So much of what we do now is simply for
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: the love of hatred. My hope for you is gone.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: I'm not just sad for you. I grieve for you.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: We live in a world where tyranny is celebrated as
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: the answer to tyranny, and corruption is lovingly embraced as
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: the answer to corruption.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: The what is okay? Can can like exactly He's I
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: don't know what this means. I don't know what this means,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: so I'm not really sure. That's why I'm Richard beerre
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: what do we what is he talking about?
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Seriously, seriously, it's okay. We don't have to talk about
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: the specific politics he's talking about, because it's almost like
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: freaking let's go into gnosticism. But before we do, I
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: just want to explain why I'm not at my desk.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: I am actually attempting to rehydrate my cat's food so
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: that she will enjoy it more. And then I'm also
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: going to put on her little birdie thing and hopefully
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: that will that will will make her feel a little
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: bit more comfortable while I'm talking, so she can go
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: listen to some birds. And I'm doing it all out
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: of my love for my cat. So there you go.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: There's not that there's not a complete absence of love
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: in the world. Dark matter.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: People, Well, yeah, well you know, never mind, I'm just
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: gonna it means he's so smart, Yeah he does. All right,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: I'll play some more of this.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: That's a problem I can't solve it can only solve
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: itself through self destruction. For the longest time, my instinct
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: was to react with fervent devotion to the truth. That
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: doesn't work anymore. I was brought up to believe that
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: the truth always wins in the end, and people made claims,
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: and sometimes those claims surprised me, so I researched to them,
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: and in many cases I found out that those claims
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: were false. I then announced to the world that this
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: is false. But does that really matter anymore?
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: The truth, so somebody was wrong on the internet was
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: basically what he's claiming. Of course, he doesn't tell us
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: what it is that was false. We just have to
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: accept that he knows for one hundred percent sure that
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: he debunked somebody and it's been debunked, but no one
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: seems to care. He's like that. He's like the meme
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: of the guy standing in the back of the room
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: in the corner at you know, during the party, saying,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: nobody knows that I was right on the internet, and
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: I I don't like again, if these I don't know
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: what you would call it, these claims that are being made,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: this story were being told. We just have to accept it,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: like there's no like, here's what they said, and here's
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: my evidence against what they said. No, I mean maybe
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: that's that. He just says, well, I looked into it
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: because I thought it was wrong, and it turns out
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: I was right one hundred percent, trust me, bro, And
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: then I told him I was right, But nobody seems
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: to care that I was right. I'm not gonna tell
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: you what it is that I found out. You'll just
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: have to believe me because I'm smarter than everybody else,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: so I'm the right man in the room. It's like, yeah,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: it's it's. It's it's it's purposefully vague so that you
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: can't refute it. It's like, well, I can't refute it.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: You're just saying shit. So and what's the point of
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: it is to basically justify I guess what is coming?
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Like that?
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Everyone makes false claims and I don't know. It's like
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: the again, somebody was wrong on the internet?
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Is I guess? And also that means that love has
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: left the world. Yes, obviously, mm hmm, okay, all right,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: it's lost.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: When I announced falsehood, the response is very disconcerting. The
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: liars and the people being lied to have ceased to
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: be predator and pray. Now they are allies. They embrace
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: the lie as truth itself, even if they know it's false,
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: because they see it as a mean means to an end.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: They simply don't care about the truth anymore. All that
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: seems to matter to them is that their side wins.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Their side can do no wrong and the other side
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: can do no right. Nothing else matters.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: So this is exactly what you were saying, except, like
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: I said before, I've asked many, many people to come
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: on my show, right wing people and left wing people
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: and to talk about men's issues, honestly, and some of
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: them I have had disagreements with. But right wing people
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: have consistently come on the show despite the fact that
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: we may not see eye to eye or agree on everything,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: and left these were way less likely to come on
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: the show, although sometimes they did so. I but he's
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: making a claim that this is what's happening, but only
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: like when he says, oh, well, sometimes I'll come and
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: they'll and they'll just disagree with the liars. Oh ma,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: they're right and you're wrong. Though, like maybe maybe they
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: have evidence and you didn't want to look at it,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: but you're not sitting at the table with anybody. I
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: don't know that I can respect that.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Well, he's not explaining what the specifics right, this is
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: so far this is some really, I don't know if
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: at some point he gets into the specifics, Like he
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: brings up the Twitter argument that that sentiment to the
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: spiral of despair. No, okay, so this is very and
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: maybe he is just calling out behavior like we were initially.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: And one of the things that what I said was
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: that people want to be right more than they want
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: to seek truth. Maybe that's what he's referring to. But
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: this is so vague it almost feels.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that that's right, because you yourself said
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: that when you get into arguments with people online, you
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: go in prepared for the possibility that you could be
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: wrong and that people would be willing to, you know,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: like expand your in some way. Maybe like when I
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: like I try to bring like going back to Nanny
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: for a moment. I had her on twice because I'm like,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: you're so devoted to this idea, I feel like I
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: need to know maybe I don't understand it, maybe I
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: don't get it. And I've had her on twice and
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, now I think I think you just have.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: You're just looking at the world in a different way
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: than me. And a lot of this is based on
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: feels like She's like, I feel as though this is
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: gonna happen, and it's like, okay, well you're allowed to
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: feel that. I'm not gonna say you can't. But now
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: I understand for sure that in my view, you're wrong,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: and it's okay, you know, and maybe you'll understand that.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: But that's but I'm prepared to be wrong though, Like
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: that's how you have to enter these conversations. But I
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: don't think dark Matter is prepared. That's not what he's
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: coming from. He's saying I'm right, and nobody seems to
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: get it. So this is despairing me because it means
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: that people no longer are like in my you know,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: cults or whatever, like my belief system's shared people. He's on.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: He's on the hill of righteousness and everybody else is
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: his enemy, right ambers that?
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Go ahead? No, no, okay, well I don't know which
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: one of us should go all right. Well, Like, honestly,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: that's a mindset that it's easy to get into, that
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: you are right and everybody else is wrong, and especially
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: when you have I know, he has eight hundred and
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: eighty five thousand.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Subscribers a long time and he started with animation.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and also there's some distortion going on with subscribers
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: and viewership based on you know, algorithmic thumb putting on
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: the scaling. But but ultimately this is something that you
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: have to just you have to contend with. And like
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, I have been and I have gone through
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: things thinking okay, well I'm the one who has all
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: the truth, and then I just have to go and
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: I have to listen and try to figure out where
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: people are coming from and what's going on. And like
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: I've said in the past that I think that when
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: feminists express the on wei and the angst that women feel,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: they're correct. The problem is when they attribute it to men.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, yeah, women can feel all kinds of ways
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: that I wouldn't say that their feelings are not real,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: but they should also ask themselves if it makes sense
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: for them to be feeling the way.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it may actually even make sense because
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: they have lost a lot of their purpose. Right, But
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: that's another argument. My point is that people are right
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: in their own ways. Everybody is yeah, they're not necessarily
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: right about what's happening to everybody, but they're they're right
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: about their experience, you know, and you have to it.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: It's good, it's my Both sides can go two ways.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: You can be like, well, this side A is wrong,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: side A is wrong, side B is wrong, or side
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: A is right about this, side B is right about
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: this right and that's the way. Like I I know
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: that I sound like I'm on both sides, but I
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: do see things that, for example, the left is right
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: about their approach is not going to get them anywhere.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: And I do see things that the right is right
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: about and wrong about, and the left is wrong about
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: and right about. And I see that a lot of
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: their conflict is coming because the discourse has started to
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: has really well, it's deeply entrenched. And I want to
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: be right versus I want to find truth. And the
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: right maybe has an advantage because at the very least
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: they're trying to continue with something that has worked in
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: the past, so that may a bit more sense. You know,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: if the car's broken down, maybe try and fixing it
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: with methods that have worked in the past makes sense.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not so sure that this particular car can be
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: fixed with those methods, But that's neither here nor there.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: The idea is that when you get in that headspace
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: where I am the one who's right and everyone else
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: is wrong, I think you need to step back and
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: think about asking yourself, how are the people around me right?
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: So that you can break out of that. And Yeah,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: I can solely see that's despairing because you know, with
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: for example, narcissists have that attitude often I am right,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: everyone else is wrong, and that leads them to be
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: very alienated from the people around them right, And the
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: only way to get out of that is to listen
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: to people, to make an effort to understand where they
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: might be right, and to connect with them on a
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: personal level, to get out of the idea that you're
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: part of some gigantic conflict in which people who disagree
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: with you are not human. They are human, like even
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: the crazy wokies, like even the crazy gender fluid people.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Of everybody on the spectrum, they are dealing with something
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: that is real to them, and they're dealing it with
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: it in a way that makes sense to them with
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: what they have. Yes, there is grooming and all of
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: that stuff, but there is some deeper stuff going on
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: with our society and its ability to create generate a
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: sense of purpose that is leading to these kinds of reactions.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: And until we address that deeper problem, we're going to
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: see these kinds of reactions. Right, And if you just
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: deny or ignore this, then it's not going to change.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: But anyway, like when you get into that state of
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: despair that everybody else is around you is wrong, I
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: would advise this man and anybody else who's in that
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: state to just really think about who you think your
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: opposition is and see if there's anything that you can
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: agree with, because you are cutting yourself off from humanity.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: We are all humans here, every single one of us,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: even the crazy man with the fake boobs in a dress. Right,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: We're all humans. We're all having this experience, and we
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: all have reasons for what we do. Let's find those
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: reasons so and then when we find those reasons, maybe
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: we can find a way of understanding each other and
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: a solution that works for everybody. And yeah, that's what
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: I would advise when you get into these snarls. And
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: I have myself been in some really dark places. That's
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: the darkest though, Like I'm the only one who understands
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: that's like, that is.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: The Twilight Zone shit, like the ending of a Twilight
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Zone episode, right.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's complete isolation, Like you are now on
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Mount you are. You are a hermit on Mount Lonely
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: in the plane of Mount Solitude or the plane of Solitude,
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: and like, yeah, that's that's not a place where humans live.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Well, sorry, guys, I just want to say so because
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: he never gets specific, so I'm kind of forced to speculate.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: So consider this all speculation. But let's look at what
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: we know about dark Matter twenty five twenty five. So
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: dark Matter twenty five to twenty five started his channel
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: like at least probably more than ten years ago, and
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: he would make these animated thoughts about religion because he
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: was an atheist youtubeer. He still is and that's like
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: a big part of his whole brand and his online
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: persona is his atheism. It's front and center. Okay, specifically
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: atheism against Christianity, but I believe he also went after
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Islam in videos as well, because there was like a
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: period in time there where you know, all the atheists
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: had to make a choice because okay, so you had
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: atheism online and it started off, and it was basically
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: like going after the Christians because they're like the lowest
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: hanging fruits, kind of easy. And then you got to
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: the point where Islam was like an ascension online, and
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: then the atheists had to make a decision do I
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: criticize Islam or not? And so some did like that's
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: how you get the four horsemen and stuff, or to
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: like all these the you know, the king of bad
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: ideas or whatever, and some played it safe and they
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: sort of went another direction that's sort of in the realm.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: The same time that there was a divide between the
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: social justice atheists, the feminists atheists, the atheism plus atheists,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: and then the sort of you know, more principled atheists
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: that were just like anti religion or whatever. And a
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: lot of this was anti theism. It wasn't. It wasn't
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: a kind of indifferent atheism, which probably a lot of
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: people who are atheists have as this whole like, well,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: I don't really care what you do, it's just not
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: for me. But then there are the people who are
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: like this has to be like, you know, debunked and
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: expunged from our society because of all of the problems
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: that religion brings. So this is what dark Matter had
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: been doing for most of his online presence, and for
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: a little while, he started to see the sort of
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: feminist social justice aspect of atheism become a real thorn
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: in the side of people, and he went to confront
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: them because well, if you asked him, he would say, well,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: it looks like religion to me, so I'm going to
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: go after it. But he was also worried that it
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: was gonna like drive people away from atheism, because that's
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: ultimately what he cares about most is perpetuating atheism. This
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: is what I think based on what I know. I
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: don't watch all of his content, so I could be wrong,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: and I'm speculating. Take this all with a grain of salt,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: just my what I've observed. And then then the political
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: landscape started changing, or at least it appeared to, and
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: I think this worried him. This is what worried people
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: like James Lindsay and other you know Triggeronometry, all these
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: like sort of like you know, centristy liberals that were like, oh,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: I was totally fine, we're fighting against the intersectional feminists
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: and stuff, but I don't want to get rid of feminism. Altogether.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: It's it's that it's that alson. That's really what it is.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: There's like, well, it scares them because they don't it.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: There's a there is an assumption. And this is like
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: what people like dark Matter would do is they would
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: use feminism to promote atheism because they'd say, well, look,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: these people who are religious are terrible to their women.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: And it didn't matter if it was Muslim men that
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: were terrible to their women, which is sort of like
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: an easy thing to do, it's low hanging fruit, or
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: if it was Christians or Catholics that were terrible to
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: their women, they would go and promote that message. So
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: they would use feminism to support their atheism. And when
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: it looked like feminism was becoming really unpopular along with
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: intersectional feminism and everything else, then they had to step
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: in and rescue that because it's a got status in
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: their mind, like I want to go I want to
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: live in a world where we respected women all the time,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: but there was no God. That's what we want, right,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: whatever that looks like. And I think that what's really
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: concerning him now is that men in particular are becoming
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: more vocal, They're becoming more politically active, and they're entering
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: the church in record numbers. And when I say the church,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: I don't mean Protestant churches. I mean Catholic and Orthodox churches. Like,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: men are going to church in record numbers because they're
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: seeking out meaning and they're willing. This is the This
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: is also the important thing because I've i you know,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: I've met all kinds of new young dudes going to
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: church and when I talk to them, they're all like,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: I just I'm doing this for myself and that and
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: that's the reason. It's like, I don't you know, the
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: world is a mess. Women don't make sense to me.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this and then like hopefully I'll meet someone,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: and yeah, there are they They usually meet a woman
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: in their church. But it's it's not the Protestant churches.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: It's mostly the at the Catholics and the Orthodox. And
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: I think that because men are doing this, this is
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: really freaking these people out. So dark Matter is worried
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: that men are you know, seeking out meaning, women are
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: not as much. So you know, they're basically becoming more
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: and more sort of pre wheeling, you know, sexually liberated
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: and secularized, which is fine, it's their decision. But the
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: men have made their choice too, which is why you know,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: women are not finding men on the dating market as much,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: because not only are they checking out completely and they're
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: just like, I'm not going to deal with this anymore.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: But some of them are like, well, let me seek
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: out some sort of spiritual answers to my questions. And
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: these old like you know, atheists that used to be
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: edgy and cool, like you know, in twenty twelve, they're like, well,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: what happened to my audience? And he's still got like
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: almost a million subs, But I think he's very concerned,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: and I think that's where it comes from. So it's
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: not just oh, I might be wrong about some abstract
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: argument I had on X, but I might be wrong
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: about humanity because they're doing the thing that I dislike
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: the most, and I think that might be that My guess,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: my speculation is that might be an issue because he's
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: just become way more vocal. And again, men, you know,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: they're they're they're worried about their soul at this point,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: and I think that that makes sense.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: So yeah, well they're were like, there's a there's a
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: desire for a purpose. I mean, I'm not as concerned
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: necessarily about the the Orthodox, but I don't know the Catholics. Hm,
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: they But I mean what I think men are looking
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: for is again that that that unique value that they add.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: They want to be needed. They're looking for for something.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: To do and yeah, for something to be needed for it. Yeah, exactly,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: And that's uniquely male and that's not in very hot
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: large supply in all of these sort of And here's
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: the thing, Like you have all the secularism, but the
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: secular still needs to give a purpose two two men
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: in order to attract them. But the purpose that it
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: gives and I was just recently reading an article is
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: basically service to women.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's it, Like there's.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, you have not you have
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: no unique quality to offer women except to serve and
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: do what they say and and to sacrifice for them.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: And it's like, well, that's not that's not a very
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: attractive statement to say that there's absolutely nothing unique about
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: you except your service.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, that's that's that's its feminism. And to a degree,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: guinocentrism is a cornerstone of modern secular humanism. Like I
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: don't know if it it doesn't have to be that way.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying like, you know, repent now or anything.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not pushing anybody do anything. I'm just saying this
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: is like the literal frame we exist in now in
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: the West, is that it's that framework. It's a feminist
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: framework at its core. So like when men are like,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not doing that and they and
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: they get they're gonna go do something else and the
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: environment is different. And I'm not saying that like the
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Catholic Church or even the Orthodox Church is immune from
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: feminist influence, because trust me when I say, there are
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: women trying to change both of those places right now,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: and it takes it's taking all the strength of the
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: church of the men in church to stop it or
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: at least like hold it off. So it is something
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: that they that is gonna be a constant challenge no
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: matter what.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: Well, but why did okay, all right, let me let
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: me just put it this way, and and I think
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: I know the reason why, because well, first of all,
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: in the secular system, there can't be anything unique to men,
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: because then you have to exclude women and you have
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: to say that there is some kind of value that
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: men have that women don't or don't as much or
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: actually have to learn from men, right, and we can't
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: do that, like you can't do that in a secular
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: and atheistic system. I mean, the problem is that they
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: will say, well, we don't think that women have unique value.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: That bullshit. You don't think you have women have unique value,
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: that's bullshit. Because what you do to square that circle
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: is you give women value by saying they're victims of history, right,
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: and men can never be victims of history. And I
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: think that's why you know men's issues ended up in
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: the whole the memory hole first, is because it dives
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: right at the heart of this whole, this whole kind
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: of ideology. And what I mean by that is when
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: you frame women as victims, you frame men as either
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: saviors or villains. And this is the construct. But at
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: the same time, everybody gets defined by their victimhood, everybody,
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: and then this is the kernel of the entirety of
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: woke social justice intersectionality. You get women to define themselves
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: as victims, and they do that to allow women to
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: have their unique value, because victimhood gives you moral cachet,
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: It makes you right, right, no matter what if you're
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: a victim, you're right. And I've seen this with women.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: If they lose on a point of reason or logic,
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: they will trot out victimhood they're alleged or perhaps actual
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: victimhood in the past, in order to say that you
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: can't be right. Essentially, so, victimhood has become a currency
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: in our society because women have adopted an identity of victimhood,
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: and I think that they bring it into the church
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: because that identity of victimhood gives them moral authority over men.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: And that's where that that what you're talking about, Brian,
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: that's where that comes from. They do not want to
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: recognize that men have a unique value proposition and that
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: women might need to learn from it. We might call
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: that submission. Perhaps another way to put it put it
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: is trust and learning that you respect this person, that
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: they have their own way of doing things that might
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: be important for a healthy society. It's trust and learning.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: And I guess women just don't want to do that,
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: or that there's some kind of natural inclination of women
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: to just not want to recognize that men there exist
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: and have evolved for a reason.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: Like women, mostly like me, we are as we are
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: as men because of the women who came before and
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: the choices they made when it comes to their fertility.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Like anything that you can say about men is your fault. Ladies. Yeah,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: I'll vote.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: In some ways to your credit because your credit co operation.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: And you know, between men, we'd still be chimpanzees, and
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: chimpanzees absolutely hate each other, and I think this guy
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: wants to bring us to that level.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Maybe all right, let's play some more of this. But
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: my theory is is that ultimately he is it's not
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: so much about politics as it is so much about
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: his atheism that he's trying to like preserve because it's
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: like his brand, and he's very concerned. And of course
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: he thinks that religious people are stupid and bad to
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: their women, which is I mean, that's like the primary
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: argument that these people make. So remember when you say,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: you know, like the framework of who victimizes the women,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: it's usually done under the assumption that men are abusers
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: and that they're they're looking for a reason. And in
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: the eyes of people like dark Matter, religion is the
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: is the reason. It's the vehicle that allows that. And
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: of course if that didn't exist, men would not do that.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: I guess now, they probably still do that, and we
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: would just have a different set of problems, but it
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be the fault of atheism in that case.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: They don't understand that decides themselves are contrivances in our
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: current world. The truth doesn't matter. Duty and honor doesn't matter,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: material reality itself doesn't matter. All that matters now is
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: that your enemies are humiliated and defeated. There is no
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: price too high to achieve that goal. So at this time,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: sacrificing the truth seems like a small price to pay,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: because no one elms to understand how high the interest
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: will make that bill when they're doing.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if he realizes how much he's benefited
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: from supposedly telling the truth. It seems like YouTube likes
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: what you say, dark matter, they don't like what we say.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: But too date finally arrives and nobody seems to understand
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: that in a world where the truth is sacrificed for victory,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: defeating your enemies means defeating yourself too.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: What well, I mean, he's He's sort of correct. It's
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: the same thing that I've been talking about. It's just
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: that I don't know.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, he's not applying it to himself, Allison, He's
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: applying it to his opponents, So he's still doing it.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: He would actually be more honest if he said where
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: he stands and what he stands against, like I.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: Mean, I have to give he stands for being right.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: He is correct, but everyone else is only interested in
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: being correct. But he literally is correct. You see, that's
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: not I mean, I'm not That's what he's saying. He's saying,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: everybody seems to be more interested in just winning arguments
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: than like seeking the truth. Fortunately for all of you,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: I have actually won the argument because I have actually
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: found the truth, and that makes me nothing like the
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: people that I'm criticizing. You see.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but lay it out, like so you're telling me.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: This is twenty three minutes of him saying.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: He blames he blames social media later on, which is
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: I think again, that's just cope, like saying, oh, it's
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: social media, Like social media gets into all of our
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: brains and makes us do things like talk online about
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: our beliefs, Like that's not what it is. He's kind
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: of like making a lot of confessions about you know, oh,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: other people are so terminally online. Yeah, but so are you.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: And he's even said it, including me, And it's like, oh,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: so you're talking about yourself, and because you found a
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: flaw with yourself, you think, oh, well, everybody else must
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: also be going through this too, because I am at
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: least as good, if not better than everybody else. See
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: this is it's just hubrious from beginning to end. But
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: if you want, I can jump ahead to the social
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: media trap or the psychological battlefield, which is what he
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: I guess he talks about. Let's let's go to that.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: I guess here.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm under attack again.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: By attack.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: Joke with each other about outlandish claims. We'd sarcastically ask
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: where'd you hear that the internet? Or announced it's true
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: because I heard it on the Internet, and it was
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: understood as a joke, because it was so obvious that
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: you couldn't just trust any post on the Internet. We
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: all knew that back then the Internet was mostly a
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: place for the tech savvy. It was a world of nerds, dorks,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: and geeks, who, for all their faults, were intelligent enough
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: to foster a healthy dose of incredulity when it came
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: to the Internet. But all these years later, as I
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: stood outside myself, watching myself diligently collect data. A grim
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: realization struck me. This isn't the Internet anymore. This is
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: social media now, this isn't about data anymore.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: I want to point out that he's walking in the woods,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: holding his phone out, pointing at the side of his
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: head to create dramatic like walking in the park, being introspective,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: thinking about the universe, the truth, the universe and everything,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: and talking about how like back in my day we
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: were we were right about everything on the Internet again,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: no amount of humility, no like, oh maybe I was
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: lied to, maybe I didn't have it all figured out,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I was wrong, and maybe they're onto something. Well,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: not even not even gonna tell us what it is.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: Specific He never tells you, by the way, don't wait
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: for it, don't expect it. Watch the video of yourself.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: He never at any point tells you what specifically he
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: is for sure right about that these chuds are for
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: sure wrong about never has it. We'll just assume they're
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: chuds and he's right because he's dark Matter twenty five
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: to twenty five. And I have a little bit of
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: sympathy too, because I think that if you get really
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: big on YouTube. You really have to be worried about
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: buying into your own cult of personality to the point
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: where you start thinking that you can't be wrong because
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: you have a bunch of people telling you that you
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: are not wrong. And I think that's a real thing
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: that you have to be concerned with. I mean, you
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: can think about like, I don't know any like supposedly
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: intellectual skeptic. You remember the skeptic community, skeptic YouTubers that
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: got a you know, big platform overnight and everybody who
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: followed them, they had their followers that would just tell
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: them you're the best, you're awesome, you're smart, et cetera.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: This is why I don't I cringe at that stuff,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: and I know Alison does too, because you have to
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: constantly be vigilant that you don't start buying into that.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: You have to stay do your best to remain humble
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: because like I don't know ship, I mean, that's I
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: just like to talk about the stuff. So main character
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: syndrome uplifting music is it? Though I think it's more
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: like depressing music. But Alison, are you there? You do
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: want to say something? You're muted if you you are
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: trying to talk the one. Yeah, he is the one.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm really sorry. I think the cat just I
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: don't know what she.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: Did the microphone.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she just yeah microphone and then it stops working.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: She has a black cat. Yeah, she just like.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: Magically transfers her bad luck into the freaking machinery and
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: everything stops working. Like, I'm sorry, guys, just uh I will,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: I'll keep seeing if I can get this to function.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: How's that?
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: Is it back to normal?
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah? It sounds good?
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: Yep, Okay, sorry about that. Guys, like I have yet
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: to figure out what it is what she is doing.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: I don't even think she's jiggling the chord particularly, but
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: she does something. She just walks past the microphone cord
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: and then everything screws.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: Up because she's a black cat and black she's probably.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: A federal agent actually, coming to think about it, she's
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: part of the Alphabet Agency.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah she is.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: She's been recruited by the Heads, so.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's short a cringe e Honestly, I'm like
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: watching it, I'm cringing my ass. Got dramatic music, How
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: does this add to anything?
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: My dude, dude, it works, man, Like he's got people
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: just like eating this up and I'm like, but you haven't.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: He doesn't say anything, you know what it is? It goes.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: So the interesting thing is that he is ultimate projecting.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: He's saying that his enemies are only concerned with being
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: right and they're not concerned with whether or not they
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: are seeking the truth. And he's saying this while doing
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: the thing that he says that they're doing, because he
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: doesn't actually say, well, here is my evidence. And he
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: also claims, oh, I used to do when I was
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: on the internet. I did my research. I did my
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: due diligence. And it's like, well, yeah, maybe you did,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: but like, how do you know the people you're dealing
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: with that you supposedly don't agree with, how do you
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: know they also didn't do their research? Did you talk
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: to them? No, you didn't. You just presumed that they
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: couldn't be right. Like, for example, there is a guy
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: and that debates a lot online named Andrew Wilson. He's done.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: He was on a stream with Paul Elam and a
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: couple of other guys. I think Timothy Gordon was another
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: one that was on there, and they were talking about
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: men's issues. And Andrew Wilson goes wherever he can to
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: debate everyone all the time, and he doesn't do it
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: with rhetoric. He basically lays out his arguments plainly. I
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: actually I spoke to him once, and people have asked
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: me to get him on the show a few times
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: or or whatever. I've been trying to get his wife
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: on because she wrote that book about feminism and he
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: is somebody who can debate on any topic. And Dark
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: Matter has not at all once spoken to him. And
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: it's probably because he would get demolished because Andrew Wilson
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: does not play around with rhetorical games. He basically comes
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: with the facts. That's the thing. Like, he comes with
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: the facts as he knows them. He can argue from
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: any perspective he wants to. It's like what he lives for, okay,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: and Dark Matter does not do that. This is the
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: difference that I see. There are people who are willing
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: to come to the table, and there are people who
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: don't want to come to the table. They want to
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: shoot from you know, the aero slits on their tower
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: and they want to sling ship from over there. And
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: then like when you respond, they they basically call you
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: like a freak or a weirdo or something. So I
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: get that that's not how whole subsections see it, but
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: who cares it wrong? Yeah? I don't know, I'm sorry.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: The big problem is he doesn't make a position.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: So no, there's again is something concrete form.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: Of Sephism, which is like, I'm not going to take
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: any position. I'm just going to I'm just going to
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: call out every other position. Are you sure you're not
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: being driven by the desire of being right?
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: And you won't even present a position.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Then he tells us that we're all being psyoped by
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: the system, by the internet.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: Mine, the world around you is and it all affects you.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: So there is no unplugging. There is no true sanctuary.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: Are I'm sure any of us realize the extent to
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: which our heads have been messed with, But make no mistake,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: your head has been messed with.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: The best projection. So his head's been messed with, and
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: he wants to make us all think that our heads
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: have been messed with. But I I mean, I go out,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: I touch grass, I talk to regular people all the
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: time in real life. I met up with Arvis Owens,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: the guy who I've been doing interviews with his military
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: buddies about false allegations in the military, and I said, so,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: since you live in Virginia, let's meet up for lunch.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: And I met up with him and Paul Elam and
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: we sat down and had lunch and talked. Like I
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: meet with people in real life. I don't live in
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: a bubble. You're projecting, like that's it, Like I I
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: you're projecting, dude, like you're telling us that we you're
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: trying to gaslight us into thinking that we're the crazy
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: ones because we don't agree with you with what Well
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: this is in some abstract way. Yeah. Yeah, you're not.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: Even presenting a position other than I am right.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: This is like ultra instinct, I am right about X.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: It's I am just right. I exist in the liminal
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: state of rightness and you all have been have been
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: corrupted by the system. Like this is some gnosty, This
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: is some gnostic ship.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: I think that's why Richard.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: Some serious prisoners of our mind and the internet.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but our actions still matter, Yeah, but.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: We can't really control them. I don't know.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just a popular influencer base his political reality on
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: the substance of a single unsourced tweet. Bizarrely, he was
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: around during those early internet days. He of all people,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: should have known better, but he didn't. Or maybe he
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: did know better but knew that others wouldn't. So I
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: collected all the data showing how that tweet was wrong?
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: But what was I doing? Why was I doing this?
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: Was it all just a waste of my limited time?
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: The tweet was an accusation against his political opponents, so
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: that's all he needed to justify his hatred and desire
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: for them to face misery. The tweet was way.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: Way but okay, so spoiler alert. He doesn't actually show
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: us the tweet, so we don't know what it's about.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: All we know is that that person was wrong. Well
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: how does he know that they were also full of hatred? Like?
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: Where did? How is he?
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: Is he a medium?
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: Is he like in his mind? But why do people
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: do this? Like?
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: He's not only in the very epicenter of complete epistemo
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: logical rightness, he also is right about everybody else's subjective experience. Okay,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: this guy is starting to frighten me, to be honest,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: maybe this is why Richard sent it to him.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, Okay, ket Richard, you've.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: You've discovered a terrifying specimen of something. Yeah, and he like,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: he doesn't even do the honor of telling us his
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: position right or showing us the evidence. It's just no,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: I'm right, and I get.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: Internet forever. And he was really wrong, and he did
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: it because he hates his political opponents and delights in
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: their suffering. So what happened specifically, Well, I don't need
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: you don't need to know that, but you should know
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: that I corrected him and he did.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: And what means are you convincing your position, sir, Because
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: you're not presenting evidence, Okay, you're just presenting your experience
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: and apparently your advanced knowledge of other people's intentions. Like
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: maybe uh, maybe healer heal thyself here. This guy's a
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: little bit scary, is there?
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: Does he?
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: So he never actually gets to a point that he
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: could be that he could be, just like he never
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: presents something that could potentially be wrong.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: No, that's one of the things.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: It's like, these individuals never present something that they could
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: potentially be wrong about, and if you prove them wrong
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: about the things that they present, they absolutely refuse to
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: consider it. But he's he's he's in his own category.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: He's not even presenting a position.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: Yep, all right, I'm jumping ahead a bit, so let
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: me let me just play this.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: And even more lies. What does a person like myself
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: do when the lies are easy, profitable, and satisfying.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: You know what this is?
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: He is confirming the bias of his audience. That's why
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: he's got almost a million followers. Yeah, speaking to these
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: feelings of rightness, absolute rightness. Everybody who disagrees with me
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: is wrong. It doesn't matter what my actual position is.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to talk about. That doesn't matter because
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: it's about performing rightness. This guy is performing rightness.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. That's what I was trying to get at
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: earlier when I mentioned that, you know, when you have
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: this many subscribers, you have to be like wary of like,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: you know, potentially get into a point where you're just
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: sort of serving them and you're basically just giving, you know,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: and then it becomes your identity because I think that, Yeah,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: I think it's a performance for his audience to make
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: them feel like they're they have their brains, like they
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: they're rubbing brains with his brain, and just a little
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: bit of brain rubbing a little bit of you know,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: heavy petting amongst like brain matter that they're like, oh, man,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: I feel so smart because I watched this guy's video
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: and I totally get it. Bro, But there's nothing in
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: it except these feelings of superiority. I don't know, Like,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: it's not just being right, it's about feeling superior I
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: mean anyways, I mean yeah.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: No, And this is this is the thing he's created
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: a he has created sort of a passion play in
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: which his audience can see themselves in it. It doesn't
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: matter the particular position. He is encouraging the emotion, the feeling,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: the interior feeling of rightness. You know, I spoke about
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: that before. I didn't realize how accurate it would end
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: up being. What he is performing is the interior feeling
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: of rightness. He's he's a man performing an emotion for
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: his audience, and he's encouraging them to stay in that emotion,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: regardless calling that emotion logic by the way, yeah, and
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: regardless of what they actually believe. He's encouraging this crappy behavior. Actually,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: this may be ry. Richard Bierrer sent this to us. Brian,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: he doesn't actually take a position. He's literally encouraging the
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: the being emotionally right, sitting in that place where it
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter the truth. What matters is that you feel right.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: I wonder what that feels like, because every time I think, oh, maybe, maybe,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: maybe now I've got it, there's a voice in my
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: head that says, no, you're an idiot. There's no way
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: you're right. Mm hmm. Sounds like my mother. No. Actually, yeah,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: that's a bit. That was a joke. And it's just
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: the voice, this voice that always says no, no, no, no, Alison,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: that's arrogant. Don't you don't have the right to think
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: that that you're right. And then I go back in
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, Okay, let me see if I can
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: find any other part where I'm wrong. Go back to
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: the logic, Let's go through it, Let's unpack every bit
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: of it. Let's go to Twitter. Let's find people that disagree,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: see if they can find something and not sound like
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: complete loons when they do, you know, And that's me.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: I just I don't think I trust that feeling of
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: being right, having that experience of being right. And this
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: is what he's giving to his audience, is the experience
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: of being right. I wonder how if his audience is
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: mostly female.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I I would think that most of
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: his audience are male feminists, That's what I would think.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: But but they want to be like the you know,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: the he's.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: Not he's not associating a position with being right. He's
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: simply presenting the emotional, interior emotional experience of being right.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. That's almost like this is then the addiction
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: all along, being addicted to that interior emotional experience of
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: being right. Yeah, And it wasn't necessarily about what you
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: were saying. It was that you could get people to
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: agree to it, agree with it, even if it was
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: profoundly wrong. And you know, they and of course the left,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: could get people to agree with their essential fundamental precepts
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: because they fall in line with our own inclinations, either
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: whether or not they're born socially from courtly love or
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: Christianity or well, I don't think Christianity, or they're just
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: born from modernity. It just falls in line, or they're biological,
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: it just falls in line with this feeling that men
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: owe women something. And they could always get people to
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: agree because they could just hit those buttons. And now
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: maybe that's getting more difficult, So they just have to
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: sell the experience of being right. Does that make sense?
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, it's cool.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: Brings it down in one word, it's well, it's.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: Cope, that's what it is. Why would you, Yeah, why
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: would you make this video? So when did he make
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: this video twelve days ago? Why would you make this
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: video at this point in time about this topic if
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: you weren't just coping, like just coping with the way
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: things are and you don't like it for whatever reason.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't even need to get
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: into specifics, but I can tell that there's a lot
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: of cope here and not and the and the problem
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: with the cope is is that there's no desire because
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: the cope is basically another way to avoid the consequences
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: of where you are, Like there was a which is
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: essentially the desire to understand, well, first of all, the
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: desire to admit that you don't know everything, that you
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: might be wrong, and that maybe some people that you
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: don't like have a point and that's it, like and
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: that and and but if you don't have the will
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: to do that, then you're just going to do whatever
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: you can to cope. And some of that is just
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: going to sound like this, where it's basically just standing in,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: like you said, just in this embodying rightness for rasness's
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: sake to avoid the the you know what could be
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: very painful, which is the idea of being wrong cognitive dissonance.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And what's happening now is there's some serious wrongness
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: going around for the left. And I'm guessing that there
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: is a big market for just embodying the emotion going
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: on the roller coaster ride of being right, the amusement
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: park ride, having the experience of being right. You know,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: I think that there's there's actually marketplace for that.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: And and there's also, uh, you know, other concerns like
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: if he does admit that he's wrong, he could lose
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: his livelihood, Like he could lose all of his followers,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: he could lose money, he could lose opportunities. So what
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: choice you have? It's very painful. And I understand that.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: I understand that, but like, well, the truth always comes
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: out eventually, so and maybe and maybe, like I'm willing
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: to say this, maybe the truth has yet to be
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: revealed still, so like I'm okay, and I'm okay with that,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: Like that's what I'm saying. I'm prepared for that, and
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: I've been saying since for a long long time. Yeah,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: for a long time, I've been saying that things aren't
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: going to change until there is significant suffering. And not
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: that I want suffering, but that's sort of a consequence
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: of avoiding the truth is that you will suffer. And
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: then when that happens, every individual, when they have received
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: a significant amount or a sufficient amount of suffering, is
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: going to be standing out of crossroads where they're either
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: going to, you know, go with what is true to
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: alleviate suffering, if anything, or continue to double down on
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: the lie that you're living and then continue to suffer more.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: And for different people that has different outcomes. You were
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: talking about earlier, you know, how like people are living
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: as trans people as that is, in its own way,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: their cope and it may work out for them. I
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: think in some cases that's true, but I think for others,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: they're going to have to, like, you know, figure out
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: what the truth is, and maybe the truth is that
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: this isn't really a solution and that there's something else
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: that they should be doing. And until they suffered sufficiently
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: and made a decision about the future of their life
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: based on you know, like what they're suffering is they'll
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: either make it right, so you have like people who detransition,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: for example, a lot of women are doing that, or
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: they continue to double down until like life goes into
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: a complete spiral because they didn't want to reevaluate, and
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: you know, they end up in a in a rationalist
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: cult where they murder a bunch of people, you know.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying those are the only roads, but
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like that's the nature of truth. Like
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: you you're you have to like be on the lookout
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: for it, and that requires humility, It requires it of
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: you and yea because like otherwise you're just never going
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: to get there. And I think that you know, dark
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: matter here. The fact that he's being vague is very telling,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: is all I'll say. It's very telling about whether or
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: not he's willing to make take that risk of like, well,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: let me, you know, what's what's going to be best
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: for my brand me like above, yeah, it's it is
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: a bit of cowardice, I think, And.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: I think to what I said, this is the performance
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: of being right so that you can you can you
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: can vicariously experience the emotion of being right. And the
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: funny thing is that anybody who seeks truth, I don't
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: think they're comfortable with the emotion of being right. They
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: doubt it. That's why Socrates was like, when he went
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: to the oracle, they said, you're the smartest man, and
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: then he was like, what the fuck You've just laid
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: an existential mind trip on me. Yeah, then he just
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: started doubting everything even more. It's like, you don't I
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: don't think people, honestly, I don't think people who are
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: really seeking the truth are comfortable with the feeling of
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: being right. Ye, and this guy, what he's presenting here
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: is the feeling of being right. Do you think there's
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: anything more that we could possibly get out of this
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: chunky nugget? I could play a little bit more of
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: this and then, well, before you do, let me just
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: point out I have I have worked diligently in the
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: background while listening to this man, UH perform create right
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: Rightness into a performance performance piece, and I you have
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  Speaker 1: All right, all right, let's listen to the next bit.
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  Speaker 3: It's difficult, impoverished and depressing.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: Impoverished.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: Okay, it's like holding a sword by the blade and
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: trying to slay a mushed and depressed.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: He's trying to write like really emo black Yeah, right,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: he's doing him for his Lincoln Park cover band.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: Crawling in my skin.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: Calling in my rightness, Brian calling in my rightness under
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: attack by the wrongness. Barrage. The the are the the
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: explosive barrage of the wrongness. I know you're probably quoting something.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: But it's the title of a song.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: Okay, So let's uh, let's place more when the lies
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: are easy, profitable, and satisfying, while the truth is difficult, impoverished,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: and depressing. It's like holding a sword by the blade
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: and trying to slay a million dragons. By frantically hitting
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: them with the pommel. You do no damage to them
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: and draw only your own blood. What everyone is credulous
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: about all the things they should be skeptical of, and
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: skeptical of all the things that are true. It's man.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: Is either is a fucking genius. That's terrifying. I say this.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: I mean everybody's like, oh my god, he's this man
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: is a genius. He has discovered his audience's pain point
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: and he is selling them on it. He he has
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: discovered this insecurity that they might be wrong because of
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: everything that's happened in the American electoral process. You know,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that. I'm not going definitively saying that
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: we're now on the way for a utopia or anything.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: But it has to have really shaken the left's sense
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: of themselves, this profound loss. And he is selling his
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: audience a panacea. Is pans the right word, panacea, a
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: placebo for their pain point, which is that they are
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: facing wrongness. So he's simply getting up on stage and
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: he's saying, I shall enact rightness for you, you, and
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: and you will feel you will feel right. What does
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: the fish do?
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: You know? That kind of thing?
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: That's what he's doing. This is this is, this is
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: what he's doing. He's enacting the sensation of rightness. He's
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: the enacting the sensation of being besieged by the gross,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: gross hordes of wrongness. Yeah, in order to emphasize the
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: feeling that his audience is right, he's identified their pain
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: point and he's selling to it. Man is a genius.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: Despicable people, some despicable.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: But very very brilliant.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, some people. I think they want things to
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: get worse so that they can claim that they're right.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: I think that's partly what's going on here, Like they
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: want things to get bad so that they can say
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: they were right and you've seen this like Bill Maher.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: I think Bill Maher said on his show once that
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: he hopes we go into a recession because it would
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: prove him right about the Trump administration. In back in
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: the twenty sixteen to twenty twenty days, there are people
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: who want us to go into World War III because
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: then they get to say they were right. They want
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: a dictatorship to happen because they get to say they
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: were right. And that's like what how addicted people can
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: be to being right? And my thing is, we'll see.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna happen. We'll see, And so
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: I sit back because I don't know who knows what's
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: gonna happen tomorrow, who knows how long we have to live?
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: And this makes me think of like this line I
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: liked a lot. I saw in a talk where somebody said,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: what is evil? Because it's one of those words and
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: nobody wants to define because they'd rather keep things like relative.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: But there is such a thing. And this person said,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: evil is when one assumes that all knowledge, all of
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: their knowledge, is complete without taking into account the transcendent
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: or the unknown hhch and they act on that knowledge
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: and it immediately puts them into a place that is
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: could is no different than Hell itself. That is what
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: so evil is that it is it is it is
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: acting on knowledge, but more than that arrogance about your
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: own knowledge. Like if you say how much do we
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: where does the whole trust the science thing come from?
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: When doctor Fouti says I am the science, what does
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: that mean? Like that's evil because he's saying I understand
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: everything and what has that wrought upon us? What has
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: that done? So it's that it's like what why did C. S.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: Lewis when he used to write stories before Chronic and Arnia,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: he wrote a lot about the villains were always scientists,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: like they were mad scientists that I think he was
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: trying to touch on that thing where there was people
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: that thought that they could you know, that they had
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: all knowledge and that and that was that was constrained
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: to this one. Just not to say that there's nothing
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: useful about science. That's not what I'm saying, But it's
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: it's comes down to the simple idea that you are
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: certain that you know everything and that and then you're
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: gonna act on that without considering the transcendent or if
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: you want to put it in another way, considering the
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: possibility that there is something you don't know and then
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: you act on that. So anyway, Uh, this is the
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: last time code that I have here. I mean he
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: does go into like essentially like his his uh solution,
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: which is for him to just keep making videos, so
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: subscribe and support him on Patreon and all.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: That kind.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's what are what we do.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: I can't falter that.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: I don't saying that we're gonna save the world.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: And that, and but I think we I think I
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: think everybody should try to strive towards making the world better,
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: right saving it? I don't know, But I strive to
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: try to present things that I think people will find helpful.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: I just I just think that what he's done, are
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: you playing a bit more?
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: Okay, vilization itself and we keep falling for it. So
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: what hope do I have of stopping it? Now? If
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: we're busy fighting each other, then we're not rising up
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: against our masters. That's the whole point. That is the
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: current state of affairs, and it's a state of affairs
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: that was deliberately arranged by our masters.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, So he says, if we're fighting each other, we're
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: not fighting against our masters. Again, doesn't define who those
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: people are I be. If you asked him and you
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: had an idea of what you thought they were, you
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: guys will probably have different answers. So it kind of
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: makes this a moot point. And is he even calling
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: to like work in cooperation with people he disagrees with
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: against a great enemy of some kind because he doesn't
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: say that he actually sees the people he disagrees with
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: as the enemy. So what does this mean? Are you
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: fighting the masters? Are you fighting the people? Like? What
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: are you talking about? Like, again, it's not defined.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: No, as long as we believing that it's left versus right,
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: then will never understand that it's actually up versus down.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: That's the point. Listen to this Fox News host Jesse
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: Waters proudly boast about the tactics that are being used
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: to destroy the truth. Forget his left versus right framing
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: that's just WWE noise used to divide us. Instead, pay
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: attention to the tactics he highlights.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 4: Danna, we are waging a twenty first century information warfare
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 4: campaign against the left, and they are using tactics from
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 4: the nineteen nineties. They are holding tiny press constant.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: All right, let me pause here because he's not giving context. Okay,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: so this is Jesse Waters at Fox News. I don't
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: even watch this channel. I don't. I think most people
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: don't watch like mainstream media anyway. But this is specifically
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: talking about the whole thing with Doge. Oh that's what
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: he says right here on the screen. Day of Doge
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: Left holds nationwide rallies to protect government cuts. So what
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: is what is doge doing to government jobs? You guys
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: ready for the answer. It's removing the waste, the fraud,
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: and the abuse. It's not just firing everybody. It's firing
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: the positions that are wasteful, fraudulent, and abusive, that are
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: not useful, that are a burden on the taxpayer. By
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: the way, taxpayers overwhelmingly men. So this does affect men.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: And now that so, a government job is not like
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: a poor, you know, third world child or something. A
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: government job is basically a job that is in many
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: cases expendable. We don't need it. Most of these jobs
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: are are just filler jobs because it's like you're spending
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: someone else's money on people you don't know or care about.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: So how are you going to spend that money. This
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: is important. This is the context that he's talking about, Okay,
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: And he's talking specifically about how the narrative, how the
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: conversation around government waste got from you know, people online
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: and memes and social media, people people on YouTube, the
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: independent journalists, how that got to the people, the people
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: of the United States who voted for this to happen.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: Like the people voted for this overwhelmingly in support of it,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: men and women. Okay, they wanted this, they knew this
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: was something they wanted to fix, and they did this
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: on purpose. So I want, first of all, I want
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: to give you the context. Second of all, notice the
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: music that he's using in the background, because it's not this.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: This music isn't playing on Fox News. This is just
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: whatever Jesse Water is talking over this. So I'm just
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: pointing out the context. I don't know if you want
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: to say anything about this, Alison before I play the clip.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: But yes, can you hear me?
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I can hear you?
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, I want to also point something else out.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: If he's gonna say that this is some kind of
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: the left right thing, is some kind of like WWF
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: kind of thing going on, why is he then turning
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: around and saying, well, look at how the right is
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: slamming the left over the head with a folding chair.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: How dare like, look at the tactics that they're using. Yeah, well,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: I mean you've already said that's within some kind of
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: sporting event. Who cares about the tactics that they're using? Like,
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: are you really? And also what specific? Okay, well, at
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: least we have something specific here to go on, right.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: It is?
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's specifically calling out a rhetorical technique that's being
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: used here now so far I haven't heard one.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: What is because.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: He's talking about this individual is talking about strategies. So
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: he's saying that the left is not effectively opposing the
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: right strategy because they're using an older strategy. Okay, but
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: what is that even a rhetorical Is that even a
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: rhetorical trick? Just saying well, this is the strategy we're using,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: and this is the strategy the left's using, and the
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: left strategy is insufficient Like that, That's just seems like
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: an observation. You could say, well, no, I disagree, but
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: of course you'd have to face the fact that objectively,
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: I don't think that the Doge is unpopular with people.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: People it's very popular, Like it's not I mean, I'm
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: not even I think he would probably argue that people
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: who are against government programs to like, you know, uh,
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know, and like cover beagles heads with fleas
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: so that they eat them slowly and kill them just
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: to see what happens. I think that most people would say, yeah,
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: I don't want to put my money towards that. I
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: don't want to put my money towards, you know, queer
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: dance theory in fucking Uganda. I don't think. I don't yeah,
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think Ugandans want that, like but but uh
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: but yeah, there it's not like he he wants to
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: have his caken eat it too, Like he wants to
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: be able to say this isn't a left right thing,
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: but he's really only going after what he calls the right,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: which isn't even really the right, because if most Americans
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: wanted this, maybe it's not partisan, like if most Americans
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: are like, well, yeah, I mean the ones mostly against
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: this kind of stuff are the people who actually themselves
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: work for the government or they bet from government programs
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: and they're afraid of losing their meal ticket, I e.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: Women and single moms.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, but again, what he's calling out is the so
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: called rhetorical trick. Let's see if there is one.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, but I did get a superchow, So I got
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: a super child from Sean Mau. Thank you Sean Mal
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: for five dollars. And he says holding by the blade
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: and using the pommel is a valid medieval weapon technique.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: Throwing the pommel ends them rightly. Well, thank you, Sean.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that, but thank you for telling us that. Yeah,
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: so he didn't even he doesn't even understand medieval martial
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: arts technique.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: You can actually on you, you can actually hold a
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: blade in a way that it doesn't cut you.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know if he was thinking of
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: like a katana or something, but yeah, I don't know.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but regardless, like, yeah, he didn't even know what
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: the hell he was talking about, but of course.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: He would.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: He would reject that, I think, and we're not getting
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: what he's trying to say.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know what he's trying to say. But anyway,
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: let's listen to this. Like I said, listen for the
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: watch for the emotional manipulation. This whole thing is emotional. Yeahs,
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: tiny little rally.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: What I want to point out is maybe we should
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: bring it to the beginning because we need to find
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: he's saying that they're using a rhetorical trick, right, Yeah,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: it's probably at the beginning of the lump.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, right there explaining the the what he's about to play. Okay,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: I'm playing it now.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: If the versus right framing, that's just wawe noise used
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: to divide us. Instead, pay attention to the tactics he highlights.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 4: Danna, we are waging a twenty first century information war
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: warfare campaign against the left, and they are using tactics
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 4: from the nineteen nineties. They are holding tiny press conferences,
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 4: tiny little rallies. They're screaming into the ether on MSNBC.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 4: This is what you call top down command and control.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: You get your talking.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 4: Points from a newspaper and you put it on the
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 4: broadcast network, and then it disappears. What you're seeing on
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 4: the right is asymmetrical. It's like grassroots guerrilla warfare. Someone
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 4: says something on social media, Musk retweets it, Rogan podcasts it,
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 4: Fox broadcasts it, and by the time it reaches everybody,
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 4: millions of people have seen it. It's free money, and
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 4: we're actually talking about expressing information. They are suppressing information.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: If you that. So look at how he's framing it,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: and he's also trying to claim that this isn't the
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: left right thing, but he's saying that they're lying, so
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: like when Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan is lying. And by
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: the way, Waters is trying to like for Fox to
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: take some credit, but literally, by the time Fox learns
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: about it, everyone who needs to know knows. Like they're
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: always late, nobody really watches them. They're not relevant ever
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: since Tucker carls them left like they've been in the toilet.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: But I get it, they're coping too. This is just
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: cope from Fox. It's fine. I'm not really a Fox guy.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: I never was. But but the way that Dark Matter
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: is framing this is is important because he is claiming
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: that the when this organically goes and he doesn't think
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: it's organic because Elon Musk retweets like I said, it
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: doesn't even I don't think Elon Musk learns about it
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: until all of the main like you know, movers and
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: shakers online have shared it around a bit like Karen
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: makes a post, you know, every day she's posting and
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: eventually someone that follows her shares it. I mean, that's
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: just the nature. Why did you know, like how did
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: hashtag gamer gate go viral? Elon must didn't retweet it,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: Jack Dorisy didn't retweet it. It was just enough people
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: were just doing it and it organically happened. I think
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: what Waters is trying to say that it's more organic
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: in terms of its bottom up as opposed to top down,
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: which is true. But dark Matter is claiming that what
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: they're doing is lying, and what we are doing, what
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: his side is doing, what the top down people are doing,
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: what legacy media is doing is vetting them. And they're
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: saying that it's suppression, which it is because we're suppressed,
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: like our positions are suppressed online. But he would say
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: that we are lying, and that that feminists who respond
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: to us, or that block us, or when like you know,
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: the the Department of Homeland Security puts us on a list.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: Oh no, no, that's just vetting, you see. So he
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: does have a side. He does, He just doesn't have
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: the balls to say he has a side because his
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: side is wrong. Okay anyway, yeah, no, well, I.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: Mean it's it's being being seen as that is interesting.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: So he is essentially now we know why he's calling
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: out social media for some reason. Social media is not good.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: An't don't fling. Don't fling yourself.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: It's letting too many people talk that he doesn't think
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: are qualified to.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: Talk, yes, and giving them signal boosts that he doesn't
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: think they're qualified for. Okay, And then but but media
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: is vetting. Then why do you have to yourself put
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: these little things in to tell me what to think
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: about this?
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: This is this is yeah, this is dishonest. So if
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: if I'm to make this very charitable, what he's essentially
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: saying is social media is bad. It's flying and establishment media,
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: almost universally owned by large corporations and billionaires, is vetting,
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: And it is true. That's what I'm supposed to take
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: from here. Now I know that social media itself can
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: also be manipulated, sure, but it is a lot less
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: easily manipulated than media, which is owned by like a
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: half dozen large corporations.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: It's like three three large corporations, Like three corporations own
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: all the media, and they all go to the same parties,
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: and they all know each other and they all talk
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: to each other, and yet that to him is more
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: credible than individuals sharing their opinions online and doing their
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: own research and sharing their research and by the way,
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: voting the only yeah, and voting on those opinions. And
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: by the way, the people who are the most successful
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: at that tend to be the ones that are the
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: least censorious. So like the people who block people or
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: kick people or whatever, they don't tend to do as
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: well as the people who are just like putting it
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: out there and being open. And I think that over time,
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, this doesn't happen overnight, but I think over time,
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: you know, you have enough people who are trying to
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: be honest, they will eventually win out. In my humble opinion, So.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, yeah, I think that he's shown his hand
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: a bit here. Even if it's even if it's not
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: a left right thing, it seems like it's a a well,
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: social media comes as close to basically public voting as we've.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: Ever democratized as versus just received.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just receiving information from three large corporations. But I
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: think ultimately what's really coming down hit to this is again,
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: it's a performative of rightness. You don't have to make
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: an effort to be right when you just receive information
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: from above. And I think there's a tendency towards human
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: beings to want that to want to align their opinions
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: with authority in order to generate that feeling of being right.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: I wonder if we if there was ever any interest
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: in looking at the social currency about around being right,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: about around feeling self righteous, and how institutions use our
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: desire to feel right and feel self righteous in order
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: to manufacture consent. I'm using a gnome Chomsky.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: Tom Chomsky. Yeah, yeah, no, I know I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't gone full left hard for don't worry, folks,
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  Speaker 2: just using just using some some phrases that I agree with.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, like, okay, so is this basically the money
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  Speaker 2: shot here? Friend?
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  Speaker 1: Basically I mean, like he ends by saying, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna quit, but now that I've made this video,
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  Speaker 1: I've realized that the fight goes on, and so I
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  Speaker 1: could play a little bit more if you want. But
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's basically the just a that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, just make more content. If people
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  Speaker 2: like it, they'll watch it. Do you really need to
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  Speaker 2: justify yourself.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's his videos were well, I'm saying his content
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  Speaker 1: was built on I believe the foundation of debunking religion, right,
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  Speaker 1: and so this whole thing is just debunking, which makes
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  Speaker 1: his channel inherently reactionary or reactive to other content. So
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  Speaker 1: I think that what he needs to do is maybe
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  Speaker 1: make stuff that isn't that's more about building something because
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: if people the only reason why the reactive content works
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  Speaker 1: or the witch burning or whatever you want to call it,
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  Speaker 1: is because people are frustrated and they want to hear
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  Speaker 1: someone who like you know, connects with them in that way.
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  Speaker 1: But it doesn't have longstanding. It doesn't have a lasting power,
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  Speaker 1: right because over time, if people's lives improve, then they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be like, well, I don't need to watch this anymore.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe he's doing that because I mean, maybe he
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  Speaker 1: needs to change his content, is what I'm saying, because
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  Speaker 1: otherwise he's just going to be fighting ghosts. And the
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  Speaker 1: thing is is that he's probably going if things do
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  Speaker 1: get better, And I think that there is a vibe shift,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that a lot of it has to
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  Speaker 1: do with men sort of like you know, doing their
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  Speaker 1: own thing. Then he's going to lose people unless he
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  Speaker 1: starts doing something that's a little bit more I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: growth oriented in its creation. I mean, he can keep
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  Speaker 1: making whatever he wants. I'm just saying, you know, maybe
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  Speaker 1: he needs to change his focus.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yeah, maybe give people. The thing is, you
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  Speaker 2: can do mob both sides and be like, both sides
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  Speaker 2: are wrong. But how many people do mob both sides
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  Speaker 2: and they're like, yeah, but both sides are right in
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  Speaker 2: a way. Because that seems like it's the beginning of
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  Speaker 2: creating some kind of deal.
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  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I mean you could also you could come
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  Speaker 1: to the table that I think that would be good,
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  Speaker 1: That would be creating something. It's what I'm saying, like,
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  Speaker 1: have on, have carl On talk to him. He had
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  Speaker 1: him on before when Carl got kicked off a Patreon
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  Speaker 1: a long time ago, and I think that they did
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  Speaker 1: a talk together and at that time Dark Matter was sympathetic.
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  Speaker 1: Why don't you just talk to him. I mean, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure that you probably don't like him very much because
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  Speaker 1: Carl's positions have changed since then, but maybe you'll learn something.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe there's a good reason that he went that way.
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  Speaker 1: So but I don't think so I think he's just
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  Speaker 1: gonna do what's safe. Yeah, mostly all right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, honestly, like if you just look at
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  Speaker 2: this in terms of identifying a pain point for his
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  Speaker 2: audience and then selling that pain point, this is genius. Like, honestly,
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  Speaker 2: I have to I could have give him a clap
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  Speaker 2: for that. Like he he knows his audience and he
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  Speaker 2: knows the pain that they feel, and he's really he's
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  Speaker 2: really pushing it. He's he's he's giving them that feeling
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  Speaker 2: of rightness that that for whatever reason, you know, the
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: last the events of the last few months has been
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  Speaker 2: shaken and they're starting to uh lose perhaps some of
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  Speaker 2: those authorities that in the past were giving them that
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  Speaker 2: feeling of rightness. So now he's doing he's he's filling
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  Speaker 2: the gap with a this kind of little performance you
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  Speaker 2: know what do fishy fishy fish like little performance to
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  Speaker 2: uh to make them feel right without having to actually
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  Speaker 2: question themselves and think about whether or not they are right. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: And uh, when you said something, you said something, Brian,
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  Speaker 2: you said, who is the enemy, or who is who
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  Speaker 2: is your master? And I was thinking this, but I
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  Speaker 2: didn't really have time to say it. Who is who
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  Speaker 2: is the person who is controlling you? Right? It is
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  Speaker 2: ourselves like that, that is, that is our masters, are ourselves,
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  Speaker 2: our own unexamined assumptions, our own unexamined indulgences. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it is us. We have met the enemy, and it
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  Speaker 2: is us. And anybody who says any different is trying
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  Speaker 2: to sell you something. At the end of the day,
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  Speaker 2: it is our own unexamined assumptions that we need to
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  Speaker 2: deal with, we need to wrestle with. And I don't
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  Speaker 2: know that that's I mean, yes, we are in the
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  Speaker 2: algorithm's black books. Yes we have a whole alphabet soup
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  Speaker 2: of agencies gunning for us, you know. But also nobody
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  Speaker 2: wants to hear that because that means work and you
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  Speaker 2: don't get to judge others, which is honestly, obviously a
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  Speaker 2: very valuable commodity, because all he's done is given his
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  Speaker 2: audience confirmation that they're right and that they're right to
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  Speaker 2: stand in judgment of others. Very popular content there me
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  Speaker 2: saying no, actually, probably we're all we're all complicit in
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  Speaker 2: this mess. We all have our own little part we
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  Speaker 2: need to fix. You know, not a popular concept. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: we should doubt a little more. No, that's not something
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  Speaker 2: that sells. But maybe that's a good thing. All right,
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  Speaker 2: Oh cool, yes, we got it that super chow. So
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  Speaker 2: just give me a second because I'm getting a blue
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  Speaker 2: screen of death for some reason. Uh, come on, wake up?
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  Speaker 2: Uh oh oh yeah, okay, but anyway, I do have
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  Speaker 2: one thank you. The next one I don't know to
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  Speaker 2: who yet. Specifically, I could probably guess, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: So uh, thank you to Richard for two hundred and
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  Speaker 2: fifty dollars completely related.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Richard.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm waiting for this thing to sh.
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  Speaker 1: Am.
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  Speaker 2: I gonna have to reboot the damn computer.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: Boy. Here we go, all right, then keep your secrets.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, as has something fucked up.
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  Speaker 1: On my end?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm just waiting to hear from you. Can you
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  Speaker 1: hear me? Okay? Yes, I can hear this. I can
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  Speaker 1: hear you. Can you hear the soundboard? Okay? Is it working?
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  Speaker 2: I just okay, yes, Richard also put through three hundred
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  Speaker 2: and fifty. So I guess we got a bit of
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  Speaker 2: a tip for you having endured, Having endured the Thank you,
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  Speaker 2: Richard very much appreciated. It's good to act. I think
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  Speaker 2: in the end of the day, this was productive.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fine. It's fine. Like I'm not complaining.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's fascinating to see what other people are doing. Like,
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  Speaker 2: instead of presenting an opportunity to think about something in
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  Speaker 2: a new way, he is creating a performance around being
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  Speaker 2: right and selling his audience a pain point. Because for
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: whatever reason, the left is starting to feel a little
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 2: bit wrong lately, and they don't like that. They just
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  Speaker 2: want to feel right. I mean, we all, I guess
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: want to feel right. Except me. It feels really uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 2: It feels like the wrong. Like when you feel right,
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: it feels like there's a foot waiting to fall, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean, where's the other foot?
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  Speaker 1: Go wow?
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  Speaker 2: I never go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: That's because a woman with a small brain with the
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  Speaker 1: third the size of us.
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  Speaker 2: Oh god, that is delayful. All right, With that little
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  Speaker 2: bit of delicious misogyny, I'm going to say, yeah, feed
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