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Neil Gaiman In the #metoo crosshairs, a woman's scorn from beyond the grave | HBR News 463 · Honey Badger Radio

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  This is HBr News number four sixty three. Neil Gamon in the Me Too
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  crosshairs, a woman scorn from beyond the Grave, where we discussed the news
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  of the week and give it the Badger treatment. Hello everybody, and welcome
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  to Honey Badger Radio. You guys are doing well this week, and that
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  you are laughing at all of the absurdity so that you are not consumed by
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  it. My name is Brian and I am joined by, as always,
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  my lovely and intrepid co hosts Mike and Hannah, and we're gonna be talking
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  about some new stuff this week. So on this week's show, we've got
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  some new updates regarding the Covenant shooting. Neil Gamon. You guys might know
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  the writer Neil Gaman, famous for his book Sandman. He was a comic
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  book writer, but I think he also writes some stories. He's even written
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  some movie screenplays in the past, and he was basically like a beloved author,
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  especially amongst seen girls. And apparently he's under fire for s a is
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  what I'll put it. That way. A woman, despite her the father
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  of her child's wishes, takes her kid into Ukraine, which is a well,
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  it's a problem, and more so, stick around, it's going to
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  Only show. I know, I know, it's it's kind of baked in.
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  Well, it's it's the I am bound by my script. I am.
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  But I also think that there's like there is some I don't know.
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  I feel like like there's going to be suffering, that's going to be turmoil
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  in the world, and the only thing that we can do is hope that
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  the damage is minimal, and more than that, hope that people can learn
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  something from it so that they can avoid it in their own life. For
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  all possible, I don't know what else to do. Like, these things
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  are going to happen. Yeah, that's true, and there will be a
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  good discussion. So, Mike, so we were saying, they can't hear
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  archived. All right, So with all of that out of the way,
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  let us get into the stories today. That kind of rhymed. I didn't
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  mean for it too, but it does, okay. So this is an
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  update on the Covenant School shooting that happened right by the transman Audrey Elizabeth Hale.
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  And this is all people are trying to get answers, questions answered and
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  all that. So here's the latest. So Tennessee Chancery Court Judge Aisha L.
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  Miles pictured here, ruled in a decision release at eleven fifty eight pm
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  on Thursday that none of the writing's left by Covenant School killer Audrey Elizabeth Hale
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  shall be released to the multiple parties who sued Metro Nashville to secure those that
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  release, citing the copyright claims of the parents she earlier allowed to intervene in
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  the lawsuit. The Tennessee Start editor in chief Michael Patrick Leahy or Leahy,
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  was among those from the media suing to compel the release of Hale's writings.
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  Prior to her ruling, Miles first controversially allowed parents from the Covenant School,
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  the Covenant School, and the Covenant Presbyterian Church to intervene in the case after
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  Hale's family claimed they assigned them the copyright of her written materials. Miles declared
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  in her Friday ruling, quote materials created by Hale are exempted from disclosure based
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  on the Federal Copyright Act end quote. Miles also stated that quote the release
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  of the remaining documents, which are not original, derivative or compilation works created
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  by the assailant is further constrained by the exceptions to disclosure to disclosure set forth
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  by the General Assembly during the pendency of this investigation and any legal proceedings thereafter,
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  the investigative files of the police and materials therein are not available. End
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  quote. The police are in The police are in possession of these documents.
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  Correct, these these fifty pages of this murder suicide. Note, That's why
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  it's so hard to get hold of them, because they're in police custody.
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  That's surely that's where they will stay, come what may. Is there really
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  a copyright law so serious, so felonnous that it supersedes the police in whichever
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  agent seeks, to whom the police answers, and their collective obligation to keep
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  hold of evidence crucial to a case, a mass murder case. Less,
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  like why is copyright law even? Like what is it doing here? That's
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  not It's just a different sitcom altogether. It's like deasly Chief Wigham turning up
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  on the on the X files, like why are you here? No one
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  asked for this. But apparently the parents, some parents own these documents,
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  and since they haven't relinquished them, they apparently want to own these documents for
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  what purpose, I don't know, to pin it to the fridge short or
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  whatever it is. If it's all you have, it's all you have.
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  But while the parents apparently own it. The police. I got to hang
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  on to it anyway, indefinitely, right, So what's even the point in
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  any of this, in any of these heirs and any of the splitting of
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  these heads. For everyone who's yelling at me right now because you understand the
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  law, shut up, I'm doing a bit. Is that really how the
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  work? Parents just own this shit by default? Because if that's the case,
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  then someone owes Ted Kazinski's parents a pretty penny because that's the stuff of
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  legend. The blank and its consequences have been a disaster, So that's their
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  meme. They own that. If you've ever used that meme, you owe
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  a kickback to mister and Missus Kazinsky of the Kazinski Estate, who gets the
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  rights to a ten part Netflix series about a certain supreme gentleman who famously left
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  his video manifesto online for all to see. How many of us are going
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  to have to scrub away a lot of online content from ten years ago lest
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  we be sued for copyright infringement by the evil stepmother who kind of alleged lead
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  the whole thing into existence in the first place. Someone someone, somebody's going
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  to hold of Anne Frank's diary. Some museum somewhere is making a fortune gate
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  keeping the document that proves that history is not always written by the winners.
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  And it seems they owe that fortune to mister and missus Frank, who I
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  presume are also presumed dead. So to whom do we give these reparations.
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  We'll have to trace it back as far as we can, and then trace
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  it forward as far as we can until we're good. Fuck, it's just
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  to chewsing it. Just give it to the Jews, just let them do
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  whatever they want with it, and we won't have to feel guilty with interest
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  of course doing a bit. So here you go. The Bible. God
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  wrote the Bible, so it belongs to God's parents. What where are we
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  now for this recursion? It's fine God. God is God's own parent,
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  as God is God's own holy Spirit or whatever. I think. That's how
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  it works. So it all bootstraps itself. We are one consciousness experiencing yourself
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  subjectively. So you can just pay anyone for a Bible, anyone or anything.
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  You can give a cow two shekels and say thanks for the Gideon's Bible,
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  and and and and they'll be like move and all comes around one way
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  or the other. So yeah, don't feel bad. Children get murdered all
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  the time. It's part and parcel. Have you tried just not fucking worrying
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  about it? All right? You may me for everything I got wrong about
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  this case. It's going to be an interesting thing to see if this goes,
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  if people appeal this and it goes to higher courts and everything. Because
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  anything that's been written, you can copyright it. Any any artwork, any
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  creation that that you've done, it can be the creator can copyright it.
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  It can be copyrighted by the person who owns it. So if the creator
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  dies and the creators parents or siblings or children or whatever inherit it, they
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  can copyright it. And thanks to Disney, copyright lasts a long time.
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  So this it's possible that we may not find out the answer to whether or
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  not this this person actually committed this crime because both of her parents molested her
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  for seventy five years. Like wait, wait, wait, wait, do
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  you do you think do you think that something well, I think that they
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  have something to hide. Yeah, I think there is a shame that they
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  that they do have to hide. For sure, we certainly don't know,
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  we don't know that it didn't happen, because there's nothing out there published from
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  the the manifesto that says that's not the reason. Right, There's nothing out
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  there published from the manifesto that says it's not because her parents beat her.
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  Nothing out there from the manifesto saying that it's not because her parents forced her
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  to transition against her will, or you know, nothing saying that they left
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  her with somebody that did her terrible harm and maybe knew about it or didn't
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  listen to her when she complained. Nothing like that has been published because the
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  parents hit it. So any speculation whatsoever that we might make, well,
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  there's no proof against it. We have no reason to be certain that they
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  did nothing wrong. That's things what I'm going to say about it, Like
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  they just basically put a target on themselves that you know, they've got something
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  to hide in that manifesto. We don't know what it is, and the
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  worst possible speculations that you could come up with, well, they just hit
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  the only thing that could prove them wrong. Yeah, but it is.
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  It is interesting. This is a really unique case because as Mike's was doing
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  in his bit, there's lots of people who have done things and they're been
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  manifestos, and they haven't really been a problem to find, or at least
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  in many cases, you know, if it turned out they were I don't
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  know, like white supremacists or misogynists or whatever, the narrative of the day
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  is no problem finding those. But this one is really under wraps. And
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  it could be because the parents have some skeletons in the closet they're trying to
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  hide. I don't know, but I do hope that they take it all
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  the way because we want to know the truth. And you know, this
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  isn't the only trans shooting event that's happened, or the only incident that we
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  never learned anything about. Do you remember the Vegas shooter? Yeah, I
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  don't. We never that's just like we don't know anything about that anymore.
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  That's just kind of water to the bridge now. Or there were other incidences
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  of trans like youths, you know, lashing out on the general public.
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  And I think that what is really in danger is not necessarily something on the
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  individual level, like with those individuals and maybe like what like their personal experience
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  or their trauma was, but I think it may have something to do with
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  something that could be effected on a larger scale, like the various kinds of
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  medications they were on, the kind of treatments that they were getting, the
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  kind of ways in which the people that were like sort of like authority figures
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  outside of their parents were involved with their lives. And I have a feeling
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  that there's something about that that has because why would a judge go this far
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  if there wasn't something someone or because that's what the law says. Copyright law
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  does actually get give the parents the right to copyright that that piece of work
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  and to hide it from the public, to say nobody can publish it.
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  They that that is legal. So the judge didn't have much of a choice
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  in the matter. That's the law. What I'm I'm I'm looking at this
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  from a different perspective, Like the law, the judge can't just be like,
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  well, you know, in this instance, for no reason other than
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  that people really really want to violate the copyright. Sure, it's it's legal
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  to violate the copyright right. That's there are ways, there is is such
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  a thing as fair use that that can allow copyright to be not violated.
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  But you can get around it. So like if if you're making something for
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  the purpose of educating the public, and or if you're doing something transformative.
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  There are some instances where that does allow. It doesn't mean like a teacher
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  can just mass produce copies of something and hand it out to their students,
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  but they can show it in the classroom, for instance. Sure, so
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  there's a lot of things like that that that copyright can be a little bit
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  malleable. But the judge couldn't just rule that they have to hand it out
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  to anybody who asks. Right, Sure, now there may be the Supreme
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  Court. That's basically how copyright's been interpreted in the past. Right, the
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  Supreme Court could come along and say, well, in this instance, it's
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  newsworthy, so it can be reported on and copyright can be violated that way.
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  But they haven't done that so far with something right, Well, that
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  judge is kind of it's not really the judge being activist here, it's no,
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  but parents being activists. This is one hundred the parents to blame for
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  this situation. Sure, I think they're hiding something, and it might be
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  that they are to blame for the shooting, Like, yeah, that's possible,
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  it's possible. I I don't want to get down. I like,
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  I there are things I can say about the judge. I mean, she
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  does kind of look like an OnlyFans model in a robe. Doesn't necessarily mean
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  that she's wrong about this, you know, yeah, right right? Like
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  I don't. I don't wanna. I don't wanna have us saying things about
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  the judge that are not true. I suspect the parents, and I that's
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  why I made that that point about you know, the worst allegations against the
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  parents that you could make, as as far as what what they may have
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  done to cause their their daughter to do this could be true for all we
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  know. We don't know, because they just hid the evidence, right right,
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  and and well what I was gonna say is, though, is that
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  they could isn't it. Isn't it also true that they could just violate the
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  copyright to release the information and just like pay the fine or whatever. Like
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  I don't know how serious like that. I don't think it's a felony,
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  So you know, they might. It's sort of like do you do the
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  right thing? Do you do the right thing knowing there will be consequences,
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  but saying, you know what, I'll deal with the consequences, because I
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  think that releasing the information is more important. Yeah, it depends on how
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  much value gets assigned to this. Like if it's really sought out by a
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  lot of people and the parents put a price tag on it and it's a
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  high price tag. If it's high enough, there are serious penalties. There's
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  jail time, there's you could have whatever equipment you used to dispense the information
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  destroyed. So for instance, if somebody published it in a newspaper, that
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  could be their whole printing press system down, any computer SHO used to like,
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  so it is something that you have to exercise a lot of caution with.
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  Well, some of these pages of all for this does he he put
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  big teeth in copyright law beaure because they wanted to protect their works from being
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  used by people after a certain period of time. They extended it. They
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  had it extended for a long time. And I mean, Congress is the
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  one that made the laws, right, but they made it at the behest
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  of Disney. This is pretty much why it is such a strong law in
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  the United States. Yeah, yeah, all right, Well, hopefully,
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  like I said, he's like, some of these pages have already been leaked.
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  You know Stephen Crowder's investigative journalists sort of like team that he works with.
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  They got their hands on a number of pages from the manifesto. I
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  don't know if that will result in penalties or if there are legal fees or
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  legal struggles that those people will have to go through, But I just want
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  the truth, so I hope we can get it all. Right, Well,
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  let us know what you guys think about this one of the comments.
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  We've got to move on to the next story. So I got a super
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  chow from not Clyde with an Eye and it give us ten dollars, Thank
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  you, Not Colyde. And they say they molested her for seventy five years.
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  No, the seventy five years refers to how long the copyright will essentially
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  protect the document or property, So they wouldn't be able to show it for
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  seventy five years. If there was evidence of molestation or talk of molestation,
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  you wouldn't learn about it for seventy five years. I know it sounded like
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  that because when I heard it, I had a moment of what seventy five
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  years. She's only like nineteen years, but it's that's how long. Yeah,
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  that's how long it would be before you found out. So that's just
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  siding. The other thing is if somebody does release that information now without the
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  parents' permission, it's it's entirely possible. Like I said, if they put
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  a big price tag on that that document, then that individual could go to
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  jail. Now, Disney's not the one that did that. The company that
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  was created to enforce copyright against people who were downloading songs on peer to peer
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  websites, they're the ones that put those particular teeth into the Napster. Yeah,
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  Napster, not Napster. Napster was actually the one down making the downloads
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  available. I can't remember that. Oh well, I'm just gonna I'm just
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  gonna blame Metallica. Then, yeah, so thanks Metallica. You remember you
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  remember Metallica was really upset about that when Napso was around. Copyright law enforcement
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  is now like a freight train coming your way. Mm hmm. But but
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  yeah, so no, My my point about that isn't that, you know,
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  I necessarily think anything specific in regard to what the parents did to cause
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  this, but I have reason to believe now since they are trying to hide
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  what she said, it must have been about them, and it must have
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  been pretty bad. Yeah, it might. It must have been pretty bad.
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  That that's what I I don't know, but anyway, let us know
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  what you guys think about this one. We're gonna move on to the next
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  story, so let's get into it. Isn't that how the Metallica guy sounds?
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  All right? So we're gonna talk about Neil Gaman. So best selling
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  author and comic book creator Neil Gaiman is facing sexual assault allegations after two women
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  have alleged impropriety. The first woman, a twenty three year old named Scarlet,
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  worked as the nanny to Gaman's children in February of twenty twenty two.
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  Scarlett alleges that while the relationship started off as consensual, Gamen would eventually turn
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  it non consensual okay. She claims that he made her engage in rough,
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  penetrative sex acts, including one instance where the pain was so great she passed
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  out, in another instance in which she begged him to stop and he then
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  beat her with a belt. Because that totally looks like this guy. I
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  mean, it could be I'm just saying this sounds strange. Scarlett eventually filed
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  the police report in October of twenty twenty two, but the investigation stalled,
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  with New Zealand Police stating that they made a quote number of attempts to speak
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  to key people as part of this investigation and those efforts remain ongoing, and
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  that there are a number of factors to take into consideration with this case,
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  including location of all parties end quote. Another woman thirty eight years old,
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  only known as Ka, claims that she first met gayman at age eighteen and
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  would go on to have a relationship with him in two thousand and five after
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  she turned twenty. Much like Scarlett, Kay alleges that gamen forced rough and
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  unwanted sex upon her in the relationship, including one instance in which he forced
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  her to have penetrative sex despite her suffering from a painful urinary tract infection.
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  Kay never went to the police, and this is seemingly the first time she's
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  been public with these allegations. They occurred nearly twenty years ago. Gaman admits
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  to engaging in sexual relationships with Scarlett hours after they first met, but claims
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  the three week affair never moved beyond digital penetration that's with the fingers, and
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  that it was consensual at all. Times. Gaman denies all of Kay's allegations
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  and stated that they disturbed him. And also I wanted to show something else
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  because Gaman made a he made a public statement on Twitter, and I want
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  to grab the link for this before I forget and maybe share it on the
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  screen. Well, it's just an image, so I will just share the
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  image where he said. Let me just share this really quick. On a
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  day like today, it's worth saying. This is in twenty eighteen. I
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  believe survivors this was related to some other incident, but he was just chiming
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  in. Men must not close our eyes and minds. So what happens to
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  women in this world, we must fight alongside them for them to be believed
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  at the ballot box and with arts and by listening and change this world for
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  the better. Well, the first thing that stands out to me is the
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  phrase three week affair. So that would indicate that either they were holed up
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  together for three weeks at the end of which she left, or she was
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  involved in a relationship with him for that amount of time, during which at
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  different times she left and came back, and unless he had her locked up
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  somewhere could not escape. I don't see kidnapping as part of these investigations.
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  I don't see wrongful imprisonment or anything. I don't remember what it's called when
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  civilians do it instead of the cops. But I don't see anything in this
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  allegation about him her in a location against her will, and that that seems
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  suspect to me if she continued engaging with him in any type of sex acts
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  at all during that time period after he did something that that she considered non
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  consensual, like that would be you would leave and not come back after something
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  like that happened, and maybe go directly to the hospital and the police and
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  all the things that you do after a sexual assault. And that didn't happen.
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  And that's that. That just makes me kind of wonder, you know,
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  what, what really happened during that time. I'm more inclined to believe
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  him than her because of that, because if that was me, like and
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  and I mean, I wouldn't the last time I actually had the experience of
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  a painful urinary tract infection, I didn't go anywhere, like, I didn't
• 27:56
  go out on dates, I didn't do any of that stuff. Because it
• 27:57
  it just is a very very unpleasant experience. So this idea that she went
• 28:04
  on, you know, some sort of a date with this guy and and
• 28:08
  you know, then he made her engage in rough sex. I again,
• 28:12
  it just seems kind of weird behavior right there. But maybe maybe I get
• 28:19
  him worse than other people. I don't know. Everything else tells me that
• 28:25
  my pain tolerance is higher than normal. So like that, that just blows
• 28:30
  my mind. That that she the one lady accuses him of beating her with
• 28:37
  a belt and then she eventually filed a police report but didn't do it right
• 28:42
  away. If somebody hit me with something like that, I would be the
• 28:45
  fuck out of there and I would be at the police station immediately, if
• 28:51
  not at the hospital first. Yeah, it's already a red flag when we're
• 28:56
  calling it sexual impropriete because of how broad and ever broadening is the scope of
• 29:04
  what it intends. It could mean anything from saying looking good susan while in
• 29:11
  possession of an ugly face you've all seen, I mean two spanking someone's ass
• 29:18
  during anal sex. It all counts as sexual. It provides anything could be
• 29:25
  sexually improper. It could mean going clockwise when you should have gone counterclockwise.
• 29:32
  But you'll notice he is not being accused of Have we said it grape?
• 29:40
  Ah? Yes, we have sexual acts being incidentally described as I quote unwanted
• 29:48
  and non consensual and forced, which very much I mean that is grape.
• 29:59
  It's in the description of the crime, and yet it is not how the
• 30:03
  crime is assorted. It somehow doesn't amount to a great case. It seems
• 30:08
  odd, So I know it. I know it seems predictably predictable that every
• 30:15
  time we get a me too story, we give the case for the for
• 30:18
  the man's innocence. Meanwhile, every time we do a story about little mispeedophile
• 30:23
  the middle school teacher, we give the case for guilt. Maybe it's bias,
• 30:29
  maybe it's reality. It's probably a certain ratio of both. But I
• 30:36
  like to think we can aim, at least aim for the sensible center on
• 30:41
  the way down. So okay, maybe maybe Neil Gaiman does have some demons.
• 30:48
  It seems yeah, right, assumption. Maybe he has the kinds of
• 30:53
  demons that cause a sort of wiring issue between your fighting instincts and your fucking
• 31:00
  instinct and now you can't have one without the other. Is I don't know
• 31:03
  how it works. I don't know why it works. I don't think it
• 31:07
  sounds particularly healthy. But if you're if you're able to get it out of
• 31:12
  your system with a sparring partner who is who is ready willing and able,
• 31:18
  then all right, whatever, fill your boots me. And that's the important
• 31:22
  distinction, ready willing and able at the time of incident. There are there
• 31:30
  are subs, and there are doms. It's fine as long as you establish
• 31:34
  your roles ahead of time, but you don't spring it on someone out of
• 31:38
  the blue. You need to thoroughly explain what the deal is with the strap
• 31:44
  on before it has already begun penetrating its intended destination. So does this story?
• 31:52
  Do these stories sound like women who signed up signed up to be doms
• 32:00
  but were surprised to find themselves as subs? Because that's that is the very
• 32:07
  first thing you need to prove or really show evidence of, before we can
• 32:10
  even approach the territory of legally actionable offense. For example, let's say he
• 32:20
  or she choked you during sex to within an inch of your life. How
• 32:27
  many times did he or she or zimsa choke you during sex to within an
• 32:32
  inch of your life before you decided that you'd had enough? I put it
• 32:39
  to you members of the jury, that my answer for what it's worth,
• 32:44
  Much like Hannah was saying, my answer would be no greater than one on
• 32:49
  that occasion. One would be my limit there. As a person who categorically
• 32:52
  does not approve of being choked in any given situation, sexual or otherwise,
• 32:58
  I would I would not hang around after that. And don't get me wrong,
• 33:01
  I've seen some ship I've had blackouts from which I've woken up with total
• 33:07
  amnesia, and yeah, it's it's it's weird. It's like life itself suddenly
• 33:13
  rebooting and going level two or more like you died level one again. It's
• 33:19
  a it's a it's a disturbing experience, and I've had it. But you
• 33:23
  know what I've never had I've never woken up from that blackout to find myself
• 33:27
  naked and unable to breathe. That would be different. Can you imagine being
• 33:34
  spontaneously reborn into the world with amnesia into a scene where you're naked, you
• 33:42
  can't breathe, and there's another naked person on top of you. That's if
• 33:46
  I wasn't expecting that that would that would be a deal breaker for me.
• 33:52
  I'd be like, well, That was odd, wasn't it. Yeah,
• 33:55
  I'm not. I'm not going to hang around for another week or two,
• 33:59
  or for another twenty six sexual encounters. I'm gonna. I'm gonna head off.
• 34:06
  I'm gonna shoot off. I'm gonna, I'm gonna go back to Stephen
• 34:10
  King. He's a simple man. He likes to sit. He likes to
• 34:15
  sit in front of a roaring fire while receiving tantric hand jobs through fingerless rubber
• 34:20
  gloves for sessions that can last days on end, and god, oh god,
• 34:27
  the blisters. But it's worth it for the health insurance and the holiday
• 34:30
  pay. Where the hell was I going with? Yeah? This, this
• 34:35
  sounds like some women who absolutely knew they were going to be subs. Subs
• 34:42
  who wanted nothing more than a big, strong, stupendously wealthy dom to dom
• 34:49
  all over them. And they and then they proceeded to ride that dom train
• 34:52
  as far as they could before it became apparent that this guy's actually got a
• 34:58
  bit of a sad and FETI. He's not just a regular guy who does
• 35:04
  his best to be assertive and self confident because he thinks women like it.
• 35:08
  No, this, this guy's this guy's actually one of those broken, dead
• 35:13
  eyed Christian gray types who has a fetish for the dreaded violence against women thing,
• 35:21
  and who unfortunately also exists because he thinks women like it. And yeah,
• 35:27
  well, yeah, sorry. If you're an adult, it's up to
• 35:30
  you to avoid that shit in the first place. If you're not into it,
• 35:32
  never mind the second place, let alone the third place, and so
• 35:37
  on. And yes, I suppose I do sound biased when I keep beating
• 35:42
  this drum. We're always here going. Maybe this man is innocent, but
• 35:47
  maybe that's an important element to this acrobatic performance. It's sometimes called sweeping.
• 35:54
  Have you heard this. I don't know how new this meme is, but
• 35:58
  I think it shot for us. We being under the rug when when you
• 36:00
  sweep, when you're spending all your calories making excuses for something appalling that some
• 36:07
  celebrity or other is said to have done. And yeah, you can call
• 36:12
  it sweeping. You could also call it a safety net. And when a
• 36:15
  woman is accused of something, she has a safety net of the entire judicial
• 36:22
  system, the entire legislative system, and so on, many safety nets.
• 36:28
  When a man is accused of something, if he's lucky, he'll be defended
• 36:32
  by this layer of popular but impulsive YouTubers who sweep for the guy even though
• 36:39
  he's a man. But that layer can be breached by one expertly timed information
• 36:45
  grenade. He admitted that he said something. He didn't say what he said,
• 36:51
  but by the tone of his writing, I got the impression of a
• 36:53
  guilty conscience. So I'm done sweeping for this guy. Sorry, guys,
• 36:59
  you were right sweeping, and I was wanting to do it. And then
• 37:00
  the trap doors open and you're a man is dropped into the next layer of
• 37:07
  hell, where the popular kids have forsaken you, where your only saviors left
• 37:15
  are those who will sweep for you, not despite you being a man,
• 37:20
  but because you are a man. Yes, yep, that's what we do
• 37:25
  here. We do it because no one else will do it. There are
• 37:30
  very few of us left in these underground tunnels, eating rat burgers and so
• 37:35
  on. Welcome Neil Gaiman. Go have a chat with Dr Disrespect, get
• 37:42
  to know each other. You're you're appointed MRA social worker will be with you
• 37:46
  shortly. Oh wait, there aren't enough of us, not anywhere near.
• 37:52
  Men who populate the underground tunnels of the legally unprotected wastrels of this world massively
• 37:59
  outnumber those of us who would deign to help them by an unknown order of
• 38:05
  magnitude. Well, so, yeah, I'm very sorry. You're right.
• 38:09
  You've got us bank to rights. We are extremists. We're the people trying
• 38:15
  to catch the men as they fall from the rye. Another right, that's
• 38:22
  someone else's metaphor, that's some other the trapez the trapeze act. Yeah,
• 38:29
  because there's nothing between the ground and the male acrobats except us and a thin
• 38:36
  velvet veil of a safety net that's very brightly colored but couldn't hold the weight
• 38:40
  of a swooning blue bottle, while the female acrobats have twelve layers of canvas
• 38:47
  and three trampolines and a vat of custard to dampen their fall just in case
• 38:53
  they grape yet another minor in a janitor's closet in a school twenty six times.
• 39:00
  You know this too, be true. It's why we exist. You
• 39:05
  don't have to be thankful that we exist. You don't have to be thankful
• 39:07
  that there is something between you and the bottomless pit that awaits you, gentlemen,
• 39:14
  but you should know it is there. We might not even be able
• 39:17
  to help you, but we'll be there to say hi, high five.
• 39:22
  You're not alone. As you're falling head first into the bottomless pit. You're
• 39:27
  listening to Honey Budger Radio. Don't forget to hit luck and subscribe. I
• 39:35
  also point out the reason that you hear us frequently leaning toward guilt with regard
• 39:42
  to the teacher issue is because quite frequently when we cover those stories, it's
• 39:49
  after they've been convicted, and it's usually also in conjunction with there were a
• 39:55
  bunch of text messages released that were between the teacher the student that made it
• 40:00
  one hundred suggestive photos sexual relationship. Yeah, and the student is underage,
• 40:07
  and that makes it a particular type of crime. So we usually we usually
• 40:15
  advocate for due process. But when it is a cut and dried case like
• 40:20
  that, where guilt has already been determined by a court and it's on the
• 40:22
  basis of things that are pretty much irrefutable evidence of guilt, yeah, we're
• 40:29
  going to lean toward guilt. Yeah. I mean, at that point,
• 40:31
  the discussion isn't about whether or not they're guilty. We're we're usually talking about
• 40:36
  like okay, like well, you know, it's usually a reaction to what
• 40:39
  the sentencing was. Sure, yeah, like what how light the sentence was
• 40:45
  or whether or not accounts because a lot of people have this you know idea
• 40:49
  that like when it happens to a young man, because young men like like
• 40:52
  you know, pre teen even pre teen boys, they're horning all the time,
• 40:57
  so why wouldn't they want this? And we're trying to like you know,
• 41:00
  disabuse those notions because that's kind of like what normalizes this kind of behavior.
• 41:06
  In fact, I mean when it comes to and I'll just I got
• 41:09
  a bunch of other stuff to get to, but I just really quick on
• 41:12
  the teacher thing. One of the things that's really amazing about the comparing the
• 41:16
  predatory female teacher stories to say, like, you know, celebrities that find
• 41:23
  themselves being accused of things, which is usually how this goes. You have
• 41:27
  these celebt whether they're e celebs or big giant writers or actors you know,
• 41:31
  like Danny Masterson or or like Bill Cosby or whatever, is that in the
• 41:37
  there's a definite contrast in how these things typically play out and with the teachers
• 41:45
  we already know and so and nobody seems to like it's not like something that
• 41:49
  is a scandal. In the eyes of the media or the average person,
• 41:52
  it is simply, oh, look at this whoopsie, this woman just like
• 41:57
  you know, preyed on this kid. Isn't that funny? And if women
• 42:00
  is like somewhat conventionally attractive, it's even more likely to be dismissed as kind
• 42:06
  of like this silly thing. You only have to look at like cases that
• 42:08
  have gone really far, like Mary Kay Laturno. I think that's like the
• 42:13
  really famous one where she was on Bill Maher and he was like, well,
• 42:15
  well they should be together, you know, and like, you would
• 42:17
  never do the opposite, Like there are no stories that are of male teachers
• 42:23
  praying on female students or male students for that matter, and that being sort
• 42:28
  of treated in the same way. Yeah, Gary Kay Laturno case she was
• 42:31
  dead before her victim started to realize that he had been victimized, that he
• 42:38
  had been groomed life. Yeah, she was talking about it publicly, and
• 42:44
  you could see the moment when it started to click with him that yeah,
• 42:51
  that should never have happened to him, and yeah, that was actually predatory.
• 42:55
  Everything she did was predatory and so on. And this is the thing
• 43:00
  that a lot of people don't realize how vulnerable boys that age are because when
• 43:07
  they hit puberty, their hormones go out of control and their impulses go out
• 43:12
  of control. It doesn't mean that they are equipped to act on those impulses
• 43:16
  with full understanding and full competence to protect themselves from any negative consequences, including
• 43:28
  emotional, psychological, mental consequences that affect the rest of their lives. And
• 43:36
  I've had teachers converse with me about this where like younger teachers, and this
• 43:40
  happens to girls too. By the way, girls, when their hormones hit
• 43:45
  they have the same problems. Okay, So teachers who are young and attractive,
• 43:49
  generally speaking, take great care to avoid creating the impression that they are
• 43:55
  in any way, shape or form sexually available when they are school. They
• 44:00
  take great care to protect their students from the vulnerability that they are experiencing at
• 44:08
  that time. So when a teacher doesn't do that, that teacher is behaving
• 44:14
  abnormally for an adult, and that teacher is behaving abnormally for a teacher,
• 44:20
  And a lot of times the students don't figure it out until much much later.
• 44:24
  This is you know, the parents might get get in and protect the
• 44:28
  student. You know, their teachers might get in and protect a student,
• 44:30
  the police might get in and protect the student. The student might protest against
• 44:34
  all of that. But ten years later they realize this was really bad.
• 44:38
  That's why when an unusual or abnormal type of the sexual behavior is incorporated into
• 44:49
  victimization of an underage person, whether they're a little bit underage or a shitload
• 44:54
  underage, they don't always understand enough about what happen happened to them, or
• 45:00
  have a frame of reference for it enough to tell an adult, explain to
• 45:05
  an adult what's going on, seek help, and prosecute. It's an entirely
• 45:10
  different thing than when somebody does it to somebody who's in their twenties and that
• 45:15
  individual doesn't go to police for twenty years. When it's you know, a
• 45:21
  twelve year old or a thirteen year old, they may think, oh,
• 45:23
  yeah, this was perfectly okay. But if the person did it as an
• 45:27
  adult, no, it wasn't. Absolutely was not yeah, or even an
• 45:32
  older kid that knew better, absolutely was not okay. No, of course,
• 45:37
  not violence absolutely was not okay. Well, again, like we're looking
• 45:42
  at this story and there's a woman who started a relationship with Neil Gaman when
• 45:47
  she turned twenty, and we're supposed to find that scandalizing, So I wanted
• 45:52
  to scandalizing. No, I don't either, But I mean this is the
• 45:54
  thing that we see, Like right now, I think Toby Maguire is dating
• 45:59
  some one who's like, you know, very young, but like not under
• 46:02
  age, but very young, and everyone's like, oh talking about it,
• 46:06
  you know, because Tobey Maguire is like coming up on fifty or he might
• 46:09
  be fifty, but anyway, point out this though, Yeah, that age.
• 46:14
  If you're in your early twenties, I wouldn't advise getting involved with somebody
• 46:17
  that's twenty years your senior. Because you are a legal adult. You are
• 46:22
  competent to appraise your actions and so on, but your brain's still growing and
• 46:28
  you still got about five years. Yeah, there are gonna be ways in
• 46:32
  which that other person is competent that you haven't developed yet, and you are
• 46:38
  on your back foot in the relationship, and you may change in ways that
• 46:42
  may destroy that relationship later on. So don't think of that as a potential
• 46:45
  long term relationship. Like if you want to dick around with somebody that's way
• 46:51
  older than you, it's not. You know, you're not doing anything wrong
• 46:53
  and they're not doing anything wrong if you're an adult, But don't count on
• 46:58
  that to be life, life lung relationship because you are going to change.
• 47:02
  And conversely, you run into somebody when if you're in your forties and fifties
• 47:08
  and you run into somebody in in their early twenties that you think, oh,
• 47:13
  this is it, this is the one. Be aware this person is
• 47:17
  still developing a lot about themselves that yeah, they might be the one if
• 47:22
  they were going to stay that way the rest of their life. But in
• 47:27
  five or ten years, what you're looking at might be a whole different person
• 47:30
  than the person you started a relationship with. And it'd be different. If
• 47:35
  you were both in your early twenties and you were developing together, you might
• 47:37
  develop in the same direction if you're really dedicated to each other. But this
• 47:42
  is why I don't recommend people get married before they're old enough that they could
• 47:46
  have gotten a master's degree in college. Not that they need one for marriage,
• 47:52
  but that that time frame you have a lot of development that takes place
• 47:57
  during that timeframe. I think a lot of the re and for divorce in
• 48:00
  the world today is that people are getting married too young. All right,
• 48:07
  well, let us know you guys think about this. I wanted to just
• 48:13
  read through some super chats and superchows and I have a question. So,
• 48:17
  if a grape takes place but the guy doesn't nut, is it a seedless
• 48:22
  grape? All right? Anyway, So I got a super child from Richard
• 48:30
  Bierre who gives us five bucks and says, perhaps George Sorows would have incentive
• 48:36
  for the furtherance of his myriad of agendas, could fund the release of the
• 48:39
  tranifesto. I think that would work against his goals, but I don't know.
• 48:44
  I'm not I can't get into the brain of that man. And then
• 48:47
  I got one from Zaraanks for five bucks, and he says, there are
• 48:51
  two kinds of folks who sit around thinking about how to sexually assault people,
• 48:54
  psychopaths and fiction writers. I'm the kind that pays better. Who am I?
• 48:59
  I'm Neil Gaiman. Any Castle fans out there, I don't know what
• 49:02
  castles and like a show. Sorry, I don't know what that is,
• 49:06
  but thank you for the super chow. Nonetheless their anks. And then I
• 49:08
  got a super chat from David Smith and he says where has Gamon's wife been
• 49:13
  all of this? In all of this, she's an uber feminist who was
• 49:15
  very vocal during hashtag me too. I don't know, it's a good question.
• 49:20
  I would think that their relationship is going through it. But maybe they
• 49:24
  were swingers and this was all like she was involved too, you know,
• 49:29
  so it's possible. Thank you for that like that. When yeah, people
• 49:35
  are rich and famous, a lot of times they do have fun the indulged
• 49:39
  relationship, and she's probably like, honestly, like, you know, again,
• 49:44
  spitballing. I have no idea what the truth is. Don't hold me
• 49:46
  to this, like I'm making a claim. But if there was a situation
• 49:52
  where Neil Gaiman and his wife were like, you know, having guests over
• 49:57
  for the purposes of sexual frolicking, it's possible that the wife could just have
• 50:02
  an out be like, yeah, you know, I was there for that,
• 50:05
  but I didn't see anything gross going down, And that he's the only
• 50:07
  one who has to bear the consequences of allegations. And again I would say
• 50:13
  to all you guys out there, if you ever become famous, man,
• 50:15
  be very very careful, Like if you just end up in a situation where
• 50:20
  you could be intimate with a woman that you don't know that well, I
• 50:22
  don't know that that's even like a good idea, no matter what, like,
• 50:25
  no matter what your status is or whatever, because these things, they
• 50:29
  can they can bite you in the ass, especially if you're rich and famous.
• 50:34
  So exactly the same thing goes if you're not rich and famous. Yeah,
• 50:39
  sorry, yeah no it can. But I'm saying like when you have,
• 50:43
  when you have more that they can take from you. I think that
• 50:46
  that's what that's what I'm saying. It's not about like just to destroy you.
• 50:51
  Sure, just to get out of trouble. Sure, they This totally
• 50:53
  happens. Brock Turner is an example. But if you're like really rich and
• 51:00
  and high status, and let's say a woman goes on a night one night
• 51:05
  stay with you, and she's hoping to use that to keep you, and
• 51:07
  then you say no, I'm you know, I can't be nailed down or
• 51:12
  whatever. Right, she could then make a claim at some point later get
• 51:15
  a payday out of it, like what happened to the baseball player. She
• 51:20
  could just destroy your reputation to give her some clout and sympathy and from people
• 51:25
  around her. So I think that all men are vulnerable, but I think
• 51:30
  that very rich or very powerful men are more likely to run into this kind
• 51:36
  of person because it is a predatory thing. If that's what's happening. Again,
• 51:39
  I'm not speaking to gaming situation. We don't know because most people don't
• 51:45
  run around yelling in the streets. I'm in an open relationship. Come from
• 51:49
  yes, yes, fuck my husband. No no, no, That's not
• 51:51
  how it usually goes. You know, you usually deal with networking with other
• 51:57
  people that are in similar types of relationships, and you usually don't find them
• 52:01
  in church. So basically you're going to see this more in among people in
• 52:10
  industries that make a lot of money doing things that are more open to like
• 52:19
  the industry is more open to people on the left, or people who were
• 52:23
  are not religious, people who are maybe alternative religions, like pagan religions,
• 52:30
  people who have other mentalities besides the straight laced conservative types. And you know,
• 52:37
  you might see more different sexualities and in among your co workers. And
• 52:44
  it's political correctness as a whole different set of rules in those areas, right,
• 52:52
  You're more likely to find people in those relationships in those areas, and
• 52:57
  then you end up with a whole different out of problems in your relationship that
• 53:01
  like you're you're straight heterosexual, Uh, two person only relationship has its own
• 53:10
  set of problems that can happen with it. But as soon as you get
• 53:15
  into open or swapping or any kind of like there there are different situationships,
• 53:23
  you know. Yeah, all of that stuff comes with its own set of
• 53:28
  problems, and one of them is that women are generally speaking, possessive in
• 53:34
  different ways than men are, and they may think of themselves as not having
• 53:39
  the capacity to get jealous. It's rare that it's possible. There are people
• 53:45
  that don't get jealous over over affection and relationships and sex and stuff like that.
• 53:52
  Like I am one of those people. I don't get jealous about stuff
• 53:54
  like that. I get jealous if you think of something before I do.
• 54:00
  You know, if you turn out to be more creative than I am,
• 54:02
  then I'll get jealous about that. But it's that's I think a little different
• 54:07
  in terms of jealousy. But you you still have the possibility that the guy
• 54:15
  in the relationship may find himself the target of a woman who thinks that she's
• 54:20
  going to get involved with him and then push his life partner out of the
• 54:25
  picture and take her place. And I've watched that happen in two open relationships
• 54:32
  that that I was not part of, and I've watched well, both of
• 54:37
  those relationships were almost destroyed by it. And then the woman who failed to
• 54:45
  push the life partner out went on to say nasty things about the guy,
• 54:51
  try to spread rumors about him, stalk him, harass him, and eventually
• 54:57
  have to be shut out of his life and his friend group. And you
• 55:01
  know, and it's been really they turn out to be like really freakishly scary
• 55:10
  people. And both times she had the chick, both chicks had borderline personality
• 55:17
  disorder, so you kind of have to watch out for a lot of stuff.
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  People think of the woman as being more vulnerable in these relationships, but
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  the worst thing that happens to her usually is that she has ten offers for
• 55:31
  everyone he gets, and so she has to be pickier, whereas you know,
• 55:37
  when he gets offers. The types of women that are usually okay joining
• 55:44
  in with these types of relationships, they're either very naive or they're they're the
• 55:50
  crazy that you shouldn't stick your dick in, and so it's it's worse for
• 55:54
  guys. It's more unhealthy for guys in some ways to be in these open
• 55:59
  relationships because they end up they end up getting targeted by crazy women. Yeah,
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  they end up with women that change their minds and then feel victimized later.
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  Yep. All right, And then I got another super chat from Albertina
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  retro and he gives his five dollars Canadian says Leonardo DiCaprio O'Brien. He's dating
• 56:23
  a nineteen year old model and the old bags are and jealous sims are pissed
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  off. Yes, but also Toby maguire, look it up, very recent
• 56:31
  news. They're not doing anything wrong. Those men are not doing anything wrong,
• 56:36
  but they may find themselves like falling out of love with those those girls,
• 56:40
  if they're in love with them at all, just because they will change
• 56:45
  as they get old. So it's it's it's their business if they're going to
• 56:51
  do that, but they're setting themselves up for problems later. It's a rare
• 56:55
  thing for a gal that age to get involved with a guy that age and
• 57:00
  five years later still be the same gal. Yeah, all right, you
• 57:07
  got rich male celebrities for some reason having sex with young women, Like it's
• 57:14
  crazy. No, no one can explain why it would happen. Meanwhile,
• 57:19
  rich female celebrities have three different children and they're all transactional, yeah, and
• 57:25
  adopted sometimes. All right, let us know what you guys think about that.
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  I got another super chat show and I gotta move on. So Sarah
• 57:34
  Skiven's five bucks and says for really fo Lao to recognize he was a victim.
• 57:40
  After Loturno's death, they were already divorced. He still is the father
• 57:45
  of their two daughters. Thank the New York Daily News for covering the story
• 57:47
  almost thirty years later for whatever reason. All right, thank you for that,
• 57:53
  Zara Anks. And let us know what you guys think about this one
• 57:57
  in the comments. We really got to move on to the next story.
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  Oh and I wanted to give a quick little shout out to Mnemonics for making
• 58:05
  me this art because I specifically requested that somebody make artwork of them. I'm
• 58:14
  forgetting his name. This guy from the World Economic Forum, because he was
• 58:19
  accused of posing suggestively in front of women. We covered that last week.
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  Yeah, yeah, we covered that last week. So this is the evidence.
• 58:28
  This is exhibit A of the suggestive posing. Klaus Schwab was engaged in.
• 58:34
  So there you go. All right, Well, anyway, let us
• 58:36
  know what you guys see about that in the comments that shout out to mnemonics
• 58:39
  for sharing that that was great. I was hoping somebody would answer the call,
• 58:45
  and sure enough they did. All right. So, a Ukrainian woman
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  has won a High Court battle in order to take her child from her husband
• 58:54
  back to Ukraine, despite the father's objections. The family fled Ukraine before the
• 59:00
  war with Russia began in February of twenty twenty two and relocated to London in
• 59:05
  December of twenty twenty two. The father obtained a court order preventing them from
• 59:08
  leaving the UK but Mister Justice Hayden has now ruled in favor of the mother,
• 59:15
  allowing them to return to Ukraine. The judge stated that the mother's city
• 59:19
  in Ukraine has managed the war well and that the child needs the stability of
• 59:22
  their home and family in Ukraine. The mother argued that there was never an
• 59:27
  intention to permanently move to London and that she would protect her child if this
• 59:30
  situation worsened. The father maintains that they had agreed to the relocation and that
• 59:35
  staying in London was safer. The judge concluded that the child was most integrated
• 59:39
  in Ukraine. So is the father Ukrainian? Also, I think they built
• 59:50
  were Yes, I think it was a Ukrainian family, but they fled to
• 59:52
  London because Ukraine was being invaded and the father wanted there was an opportunity to
• 59:59
  go, and the father wanted the child in London because he felt that it
• 1:00:02
  was well in the UK at least. I don't know if London is safer.
• 1:00:07
  I'm sure it's safer than more torerent parts of Ukraine, but he was
• 1:00:10
  trying to protect his kids. So and there's the child old enough for service.
• 1:00:15
  I mean, I know there may be a toddler, but they're still
• 1:00:17
  old enough to load shells into the well. I think Zelenski's government's working on
• 1:00:24
  it. Yeah, I mean he's left. But in Mexico they're they're putting
• 1:00:29
  guns in the hands of five year olds. So that's that's not even people
• 1:00:34
  don't even recognize that Mexico is a war zone because the war is between the
• 1:00:37
  cartels and the rest of the people. But there are some villages where they've
• 1:00:42
  got five year olds carrying guns. In fact, we covered that not just
• 1:00:46
  months ago, but a few years ago, and as far as I know,
• 1:00:50
  it hasn't changed. So don't be shocked if you find out that Ukraine,
• 1:00:57
  in some remote areas of Ukraine, that there are children that are having
• 1:01:00
  to defend their homes as well as this as this conflict goes on. But
• 1:01:07
  what kind of asinine judge sends a child into a war zone for any reason?
• 1:01:15
  I'm sorry, but that's that's crazy. There's and and for them to
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  be like, oh, you know this part of the country, it's not
• 1:01:22
  affecting this part of the country that badly? Can't that change? How big
• 1:01:32
  is Ukraine? It's not that big. It's not. It's not the size
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  of the United States. It maybe maybe it's bigger. I don't know,
• 1:01:40
  maybe it's bigger than I'm thinking. But if I was a judge and a
• 1:01:47
  country the size of the United States was in a war and most of the
• 1:01:53
  fighting was taking place in California, I still would not send a child to
• 1:01:59
  Virginia, right that just I just wouldn't because what if, right, it
• 1:02:07
  can go clear across in a few days, it doesn't, It doesn't change
• 1:02:13
  anything. So this doesn't make any sense to me at all. Yeah,
• 1:02:19
  I would be concerned about the mental health of a mother that wanted to take
• 1:02:28
  her child into a war zone after they had fled it to be somewhere safe,
• 1:02:32
  and to take a child away from the father because other people that were
• 1:02:38
  not the father of the child would provide more stability after they'd made the decision
• 1:02:44
  to flee the area where those people were because it was dangerous. Yep.
• 1:02:52
  Somebody in the chat asked if this is a person I spoke to, no
• 1:02:57
  Nova fan. This is not Cesar Quintana. That is a different situation,
• 1:03:01
  So these aren't. This is a separate instance. These were I believe these
• 1:03:07
  were Ukrainian people. They're not giving any names, so I don't know why
• 1:03:12
  that might be, probably to protect obviously, to protect their identity for whatever
• 1:03:14
  reason. But czar Quintana's wife that he met her in California, she was
• 1:03:20
  originally from Russia, I believe, or Ukraine, and she took his kid
• 1:03:23
  to Ukraine. And now his kid and his ex wife are in Russia,
• 1:03:30
  like they're in Saint Petersburg and he is, I believe in America trying to
• 1:03:37
  you know, work out a legal deal. So she like kidnapped his child
• 1:03:42
  and is in Russia. That's a separate story also, you know, tragic,
• 1:03:46
  hopefully. I mean, look, it looks like Ukraine is not going
• 1:03:51
  to win, but I think that Zelensky's gonna get as much out of this
• 1:03:54
  as possible, hopefully, Like the day image is minimal. But I think
• 1:04:00
  it is extremely strange that the mom would want to take the child despite the
• 1:04:10
  husband's cautions against it, and the judge backs it up. It's like,
• 1:04:15
  I don't know, I hope nothing bad happens, but it's not good.
• 1:04:17
  So I just I just looked it up. Texas is bigger than Ukraine,
• 1:04:21
  so basically, yeah, in a matter of hours, fighting could get to
• 1:04:27
  where they are if it started moving, absolutely have time to get back out
• 1:04:31
  of the country. If fighting started moving in your direction, by the time
• 1:04:38
  that it got to where you were, you wouldn't have time. It'd be
• 1:04:42
  different than it was, you know, as big as Russia or the United
• 1:04:45
  States. We just drove from Ohio to Nebraska recently, and it's it took
• 1:04:55
  us because you know, you have to make stops for food and everything,
• 1:04:59
  and when you're in poor health you make more stops. So it took us
• 1:05:01
  about sixteen hours. But it's not really that long of a drive. But
• 1:05:04
  that's that's about That's not the whole whole uh drive across country. But if
• 1:05:11
  we were just driving across Texas and that that'd be much easier. Ohio you
• 1:05:15
  can drive across in three or four hours. But Ukraine's about six times the
• 1:05:19
  size of Ohio. So yeah, it'd be pretty scary to be in any
• 1:05:26
  part of that country. You can there are people that that we know in
• 1:05:33
  in that country that are away from the fighting, but there's always the worry
• 1:05:39
  that that will change. And you do, you do never know what's going
• 1:05:43
  to happen. And I feel like either that woman is an idiot or there's
• 1:05:46
  something else going on there that that we're not being told about this story.
• 1:05:53
  Yeah, could be. I think the war's already over. I think the
• 1:05:57
  war has been over for THEO is like someone someone someone asked somewhere, what
• 1:06:02
  do you think is going to happen with the Russian War? And my hair
• 1:06:05
  brained prediction was Russia is going to take over the eastern bit, you know,
• 1:06:12
  the Donbass region and crime here if he hasn't already, and and then
• 1:06:15
  it's going to be over and and people are going to forever wonder where the
• 1:06:19
  hell all the money went, And if they ask about it, they'll they'll
• 1:06:24
  just be throwing their legs. And I think, I think the war was
• 1:06:28
  over two years ago, but people are still using it as an excuse to
• 1:06:33
  do whatever they like to launder. However, more money they feel like laundering
• 1:06:39
  to to to whatever remains of the Ukrainian government, and and and some woman
• 1:06:45
  can demand that child will be transported across x por zones or whatever. I
• 1:06:51
  think everything being told is a lie. I think death, I think death
• 1:06:57
  everywhere. I think everything is a lie, and everything is death, and
• 1:07:00
  we should prepare for an infinity of lies and death forever. Does that mean
• 1:07:06
  the death itself is a lie? It might well, it is one consciousness.
• 1:07:14
  What sounds subjectively wing as death. Life is a dream. We are
• 1:07:18
  the imagination of ourselves. There's the weather. We may be walking around dead
• 1:07:24
  right now doing these podcasts. Some Yeah, I don't know what you guys
• 1:07:30
  are talking about. I died in K four, so well, let us
• 1:07:35
  be stry for a long time. Yeah, that's the big bar. The
• 1:07:42
  Cambrian explosion. Well, let us you guys think about this. When the
• 1:07:45
  comments is going to move on to the final story, which is a little
• 1:07:48
  bit weird, but I thought it might be interesting. I did get a
• 1:07:54
  super chat and a super chow, I believe, so albernaated retro gives us
• 1:07:58
  five dollars Canadian and says, Hannah, if you were a judge, the
• 1:08:00
  Pink cat Hat Brigade would be protesting twenty four to seven. Yes, see
• 1:08:05
  what they would do if I was president. Hah And I think that's it.
• 1:08:12
  I thought, for some reason, I thought that was a super chow.
• 1:08:15
  But let me look and see if there's rumble rants. No, no,
• 1:08:17
  rumble rants. I am checking on there though, rumble gang. Okay,
• 1:08:21
  So we'll move on to the next story. Lists. Don't we guys
• 1:08:25
  think about this one in the comments, and let's get into the last of
• 1:08:30
  our stories. So this one's a bit of a story to the story Life
• 1:08:33
  Revenge Trump Beyond the Grave. Katherine Casanoff, a prominent attorney and former special
• 1:08:40
  counsel to the New York Governor Kathy Hokel. You guys might know Kathy Hogel,
• 1:08:45
  who said to Trump, let's see how well your hair does in a
• 1:08:49
  blizzard, died by assisted suicide in Switzerland, leaving behind a complex and controversial
• 1:08:58
  legacy or Alan Cassanov claims that Catherine's suicide was a calculated move to torment him
• 1:09:04
  and their children, alleging that she had crept at a false narrative portraying herself
• 1:09:10
  as an innocent victim and him as the villain. Catherine's online postings of legal
• 1:09:15
  documents and videos have led to significant social media backlash against Alan, with TikTok
• 1:09:21
  influencers and others amplifying the allegations of abuse. Catherine announced her decision on Facebook,
• 1:09:29
  citing terminal cancer and a predatory court system that separated her from her three
• 1:09:34
  daughters. However, Alan disputes the terminal cancer diagnosis, claiming her oncologist gave
• 1:09:40
  her a clean bill of health. Throughout their custody battle, Alan accused Catherine
• 1:09:44
  of fabricating abuse allegations and strategically manipulating the situation to her advantage. The court
• 1:09:49
  had cut Katherine off from contact with her daughters, leading her to assert that
• 1:09:54
  the system was unfair and biased against her. The Free Press conduct an investigation
• 1:10:00
  revealing conflicting accounts of Catherine's character, ranging from calm and competent to manipulative and
• 1:10:06
  abusive. Four nannies provided disturbing accounts of Catherine's treatment of her adopted daughter,
• 1:10:12
  Ali, describing incidents of verbal and emotional abuse. These allegations painted a picture
• 1:10:17
  of Catherine favoring her biological daughters while mistreating Ali, her adopted daughter. Catherine's
• 1:10:24
  final statement blamed Allan for her situation, claiming that he spent millions to keep
• 1:10:30
  her away from their children. Psychiatrist Colin Brewer, who approved her assisted suicide,
• 1:10:35
  noted that Catherine was resolute and clear about her decision, which he described
• 1:10:41
  as an existential assisted suicide motivated motivated by her perceived mistreatment by Allan. Allan,
• 1:10:47
  who denies all allegations of abuse, faced significant personal and professional repercussions,
• 1:10:54
  including resigning from his job. He insists that Catherine's narrative was false and that
• 1:10:59
  her action and this included her offering herself, have caused immense emotional damage to
• 1:11:03
  him and his family. So usually you know when you see suicide brought up
• 1:11:14
  in terms of a custody battle, if the person only takes themselves out,
• 1:11:21
  usually that is an indication that they are trying to escape an intolerable situation.
• 1:11:30
  But there is extenuating evidence here you don't usually hear from people who were not
• 1:11:34
  directly part of the conflict saying, yeah, this person was abusive, Yeah,
• 1:11:39
  this person demon demonstrably treated one child differently. You were just starting to
• 1:11:50
  talk about this situation, so we should be live. Yeah, we should
• 1:11:57
  be live. We're live, So go ahead and aren't over. Really don't
• 1:12:20
  have external statements from like outside of the custody battle, from witnesses to the
• 1:12:29
  lifestyles and actions and behaviors and attitudes within the couple's relationship, and with the
• 1:12:38
  nanny saying that she was abusive toward at least one of the children, treating
• 1:12:42
  that child differently than the other children, that says a lot. I've again
• 1:12:47
  been witnessed to different family situations within my own family and outside my family,
• 1:12:56
  where one child is adopted and another child is by biological or there are step
• 1:13:01
  children, or there are like very very much within my own family, there
• 1:13:08
  was a household with children from a first marriage and then children from the second
• 1:13:16
  husband's first marriage and children from the couple, and the children from the first
• 1:13:24
  marriage also had siblings from the first husband's first marriage to his first wife,
• 1:13:30
  and they all meshed together and nobody was like well, you're not my real
• 1:13:34
  brother, you're not my real sister. It was just, you know,
• 1:13:38
  it's us against the world. We are going to band together and love each
• 1:13:41
  other and take care of each other. Right, So I've seen it from
• 1:13:44
  that perspective, and to see people talking about, well, she had an
• 1:13:48
  adopted child that she treated differently, or a stepchild that she treated differently than
• 1:13:53
  the other children, that's segmenting people off in your mind as not as much
• 1:14:00
  worth your love and affection. Right, that's that's the first thing. So
• 1:14:03
  that that indicates abusive tendencies in the mother to begin with, and then then
• 1:14:11
  viewing the act of setting things up afterward after the suicide to continually attack the
• 1:14:19
  ex the father. Uh viewing that with that context of her already abusive behavior,
• 1:14:28
  that that is evidence that she was doing this to abuse him. But
• 1:14:32
  there is a whole other story outside of you know this, this woman being
• 1:14:38
  abusive and being able to abuse this man in this manner without with basic impunity,
• 1:14:45
  because what can you do to her now that she's dead, right,
• 1:14:47
  you can only make his life miserable. And people are going to be way
• 1:14:50
  too quick to believe her because she committed suicide. But the other story that
• 1:14:58
  that that comes out of this, the whole other story that comes out of
• 1:15:00
  this. Right, you just heard that she didn't use assisted suicide to make
• 1:15:11
  her cancer death less painful. Yes, right, She used it to get
• 1:15:18
  out of the divorce. She convinced these people that she she got to kill
• 1:15:26
  her that it was just an intolerable situation. So there was we were told
• 1:15:31
  when assisted suicide first started getting discussed, this is only in the case of
• 1:15:39
  terminal illnesses, where the death that's inevitable is intolerable, like with als where
• 1:15:46
  you choke to death, right where it's it's you're going to experience this if
• 1:15:53
  you don't die before that. That's not what this is. This is a
• 1:15:58
  woman who came along and said, I I'm very upset about this situation.
• 1:16:03
  I want to die and God assisted suicide, right, that that is is
• 1:16:13
  not that's not helping her. That's not providing her with an escape from something
• 1:16:19
  that she's dying from that's going to be more painful to die from if she
• 1:16:26
  doesn't commit suicide. That is using suicide to bypass life, just normal life.
• 1:16:35
  I don't know who initiated the divorce in their situation, but I do
• 1:16:42
  know that fathers don't usually get custody unless there is something wrong with the mother.
• 1:16:47
  And it's possible for somebody to get custody because he has a lot of
• 1:16:55
  money and can manipulate the system, but he still has more of an uphill
• 1:17:00
  battle than a woman in that same circumstance would. And for anyone in the
• 1:17:08
  medical field to hear somebody say I want to die because the situation that I'm
• 1:17:14
  in in life is very rough and I don't see a way out of it,
• 1:17:18
  that should be a situation where they talk to the person about mental health,
• 1:17:24
  treatment, about life coaching, about anything they can think of other than
• 1:17:29
  okay, well, let's just end it all. Nobody should ever be advised
• 1:17:33
  to commit suicide to get away from a divorce battle by any medical personnel.
• 1:17:41
  It doesn't matter whether your profession is assisted suicide or not, which nobody should
• 1:17:46
  be doing that as their main profession either, because there shouldn't be enough call
• 1:17:50
  for it. But no person who works in medicine, particularly not a doctor
• 1:17:58
  who takes the hippocratic goth first do no harm, should be giving any person
• 1:18:06
  the advice or the go ahead to kill themselves to get out of a rough
• 1:18:12
  situation in life. It's bullshit. I don't care if it's a man or
• 1:18:17
  a woman. Both sexes will have this come up. Both sexes will have
• 1:18:24
  circumstances in their life. They're in terrible debt and they have to declare bankruptcy.
• 1:18:29
  They're getting a divorce and they don't know how they're going to live without
• 1:18:30
  the other person. Their spouse died and their heart is broken right their kid
• 1:18:38
  died, Their kid was in an accident and died, and they don't know
• 1:18:42
  how to live with that. I've met people who have experienced all of those
• 1:18:45
  different things. One of my childhood friends drowned in in Indian Lake. I
• 1:18:53
  couldn't even go to the funeral because I just couldn't. I couldn't bring myself
• 1:18:57
  to see him dead. There's very few things in the world that I have
• 1:19:02
  trouble facing, but I couldn't face that. But if somebody had come along
• 1:19:12
  and said, well, do you want to die instead, that person would
• 1:19:15
  have been a predator. And the doctor, the so called doctor that killed
• 1:19:20
  this woman is a predator hands down. There is no alternative explanation. When
• 1:19:30
  someone comes to you and says, I am in emotional pain from a life
• 1:19:33
  circumstance, not a chemical imbalance that's never going to go away. Which even
• 1:19:40
  then, that's something that may be treatable, right, something that can be
• 1:19:45
  changed, something that can be fixed, something that you could learn to live
• 1:19:48
  with and get past. And they kill you because you said I want to
• 1:19:54
  die right now, that's a predator. That's somebody who went into it because
• 1:19:59
  they wanted to kill people with impunity, not because they care about people.
• 1:20:04
  And this man is suffering now because of that. But that woman is dead.
• 1:20:14
  Yeah. Don't go to North Sentinel Island in the Indian Ocean because famously
• 1:20:20
  its inhabitants will kill you as soon as you land. They've been there for
• 1:20:25
  thousands of years, just living out their stone age lives, and they've figured
• 1:20:29
  out that if any outsider comes anywhere near their island, they will throw a
• 1:20:34
  spear through their throat as soon as possible, killing them. And don't go
• 1:20:40
  to Papa New Guinea either, certainly not if you're sick, because they're cannibals
• 1:20:47
  and they will eat your brain and when they do that, they will all
• 1:20:50
  catch a horrible disease and they will all die slowly and horribly over the cost
• 1:20:57
  of several years. While developing this Sprain condition where they were where they expect
• 1:21:03
  impending doom and don't go to Canada. Now it sounds like like I'm like,
• 1:21:12
  I'm saying these things like they're different topics, Like like they're different situations.
• 1:21:17
  Like going to north Central Ireland is in any way different from going to
• 1:21:21
  Canada. It's not Canada. In Canada, the government will come to you,
• 1:21:28
  not with a spear, but where a syringe. Know you, Hi,
• 1:21:35
  do you not like it in Canada? Have you considered dying? And
• 1:21:42
  do you see how that's not even the North Sentinel y is with extra steps.
• 1:21:50
  It's the North Sentinelies with fewer steps. Yeah, it's awful. Everything's
• 1:21:58
  awful. I hate the word. All Right, we're gonna wrap it up
• 1:22:01
  there, though, guys. Let us know what you guys think about this
• 1:22:04
  one in the comments. I just think it's wild, the depths of vindictiveness,
• 1:22:15
  assuming this is true that some are capable of. All right, so
• 1:22:18
  we got some super chats and a superchow. The super chows always take precedent,
• 1:22:25
  so I will read that first from Richard Pierre, who gives us five
• 1:22:30
  dollars and says the Italian pharmaceutical company that was making the drug used in Canada's
• 1:22:34
  MAAID procedure has discontinued supplying it on the grounds that they don't want their products
• 1:22:41
  being used for executions. It has been mentioned that the drug also causes pulmonary
• 1:22:46
  edema, and because it also paralyzes the patient, the patient actually experiences a
• 1:22:53
  drowning death and is unable to express the discomfort. Sorry about mentioning this now,
• 1:22:58
  Hannah, Wow, very enlightening. Yeah, well, I think everybody's
• 1:23:03
  heard me express how I feel about the death penalty what I think of the
• 1:23:08
  death penalty. Like, we can't trust our government to be honest about the
• 1:23:15
  little things, right. We can't trust our government to be honest about whether
• 1:23:18
  or not they're wasting tax dollars that they're stealing from the public. We can't
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