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Xenomania Episode Four - Zombiology · Xenomania

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Jon: Just finished it an hour ago.
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And can I tell you how the, that movie messes up the two that came before it.
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So if you remember
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Ryan : Wow.
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Jon: first two
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Places, they're running through the woods and stuff, trying to find a
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safe place to be and whatever.
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in day one,
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Kearns: Yeah.
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Jon: right from the beginning, it's established that monsters
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don't go in the water.
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So if you go on or in water, you're safe.
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Ryan : Wow.
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Jon: they established the water is safe.
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Kearns: So they went full sign.
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Jon: Yeah, so, but
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That makes the first two completely nonsensical.
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Go to a boat gym and get on a boat.
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Kearns: I thought you were speaking in a Canadian accent.
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I thought I was trying to waiting for you to finish your statement.
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What a, what a boot gym.
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Jon: the boat gym.
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I was
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Ryan : Get on the
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Kearns: Oh my God.
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Ryan : when you have writers jump into everything else, it's , non canonical.
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Even if it's the creator who does it, , to go off, like, Saints of Newark.
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I was so excited for that prequel.
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David Chase was writing it, messed up the whole story, and he created So, to , hear
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about this about Quiet Place Day 1, and them messing that up, I mean, watch the
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Kearns: it animated or is it a movie?
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Jon: live action.
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Kearns: It's live action.
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Is Emily Blunt in it?
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I know her only weakness is a rusty nail.
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Jon: nobody from the first
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Ryan : But that's
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Kearns: No, she's not in it.
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It'd be cool if John Kaczynski was in it.
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Jon: Yeah,
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Kearns: Prequel style.
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Was Cillian Murphy the dude who was living in the furnace in the second one?
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Jon: yeah, I think so
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Kearns: Is that Cillian Murphy?
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That was a weird kind of role for him too.
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I was the neighbor who was scoping out your wife for eight years.
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Now you're gone.
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I'm crawling out of the furnace.
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In the boiler.
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It'd be cool if it was animated.
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I'd watch a quiet place animated film for sure.
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Jon: I probably
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Kearns: I think it would be neat
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Jon: as long as they figure out their lore
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Kearns: Yeah.
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Well, they screwed they you can't come back from that.
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They're doing Cloverfield 4's coming.
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I think we've touched on that and that's another one where I feel like we're
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gonna get the final nail in the coffin of the precarious Cloverfield lore.
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That one seems like this will probably kill that franchise.
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Rightfully so.
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The scariest thing in that franchise is John Goodman.
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And the Cloverfield Lane movie, and I, I stand by that.
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His performance is phenomenal.
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But what is animated is part of zombie ology, which is the
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movie we're going over this week.
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Welcome to Xenomania, it's our fourth episode.
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We're hitting zombies again,
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Jon: Yeah, we've hit
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Kearns: but this time we're hitting zombies out of Hong Kong, maybe.
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Yeah, we have, which you have to do.
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Theoretically, you have to hit zombies hard.
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Ryan : Right in the head.
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Kearns: Yes.
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Which they established in the movie, like 80 minutes into it.
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So zombieology for people who don't know, came out in 2018.
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It's produced in Hong Kong for Hong Kong by Hong Kong.
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So it's Chinese.
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And I erroneously thought this must be Japanese because they, it comes
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equipped with multiple waifus.
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There's a Shonen angle to it.
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There's a big, , I will power up and protect my friends kind of vibe to it.
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But it is most assuredly Chinese
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Jon: And it
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Kearns: and John dug this one up too.
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Ryan : Okay.
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Okay.
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, Jon: these B movies and, , under seen foreign movies.
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Kearns: okay.
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Ryan : I didn't feel like it had a B movie vibe , the production was
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very high valued, Especially with a lot of CGI, and the chicken.
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the, I, that's, , gonna haunt me tonight.
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But I loved it, I wanna be its friend, but I know you're gonna me into a zombie,
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Jon: So, I recognize that it is 100 percent a chicken mascot, however, every
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time I see it, I imagine that it's one of those egg in a nest sandwich things.
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You know, where you put the egg
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Ryan : Yes.
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Kearns: Oh, wow.
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Jon: it up, that's all I see when I see that thing.
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Kearns: Yeah, you call it egg in a nest?
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We used to call it egg in a hole growing up, you heathen.
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Jon: Yeah, well,
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Ryan : Egg
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Kearns: Egg in a nest works way better.
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Ryan : Egg in
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Kearns: in a basket!
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You're so British.
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Ryan : Yes.
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Kearns: Egg in a basket?
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Jon: to
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Ryan : a little egg.
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Jon: I to Google what it was actually called cause I was just calling it
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egg and toast for the longest time.
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So, and I know it's not just called
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Kearns: To be fair.
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Egg in a basket.
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Yeah, we used to call it eggs in a hole.
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We tried making them for our kids for a while.
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Then we just started doing soft boiled eggs.
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Because they couldn't handle, there's too much going on there.
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Yeah, he does look like that too when he's, when he's walking them down.
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He does look like a egg in a hole, egg in a basket kind of deal, for sure.
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Ryan : Did you notice his eyes?
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One was smaller than the other.
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One was huge and then the other one was just this tiny.
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Okay.
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Like I was just like,
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Kearns: Yeah, I think that was to make him look Yeah, I think that's make
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him look like he's angry or whatever his facial expression needs to be for
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whatever he's the mascot of in Hong Kong, and I'm sure it's probably their
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Chick fil a or something like that.
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They must be like, Oh my God, I can't believe they used it.
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But none of us know what the hell's going on.
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And that happens a lot in this movie.
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There's a lot of references that are very local to Hong Kong that
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nobody else will really get unless you're researching it, which we did.
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And, for example, the pushy real estate guys,
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Jon: Mm
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Kearns: apparently that's a thing in Hong Kong.
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They stalk young people and try to get them into apartments,
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cruddy little apartments.
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Ryan : Which is creepy,
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Kearns: one.
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Ryan : They're just running up.
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Kearns: Yeah.
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The whole time.
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It's like that running joke with them.
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Jon: I mean, we sort of have the opposite now, don't we, in this country?
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I don't know about you guys, but I, least three or four days a
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week, get things in the mail from guys offering cash for my home.
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It's just sort of in reverse.
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Kearns: Oh, yeah.
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Jon: get stalked by the guys who want to sell,
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Kearns: Yeah,
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Jon: your house, not sell you a house.
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Kearns: that is true.
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they want to give you less than top dollar on your house.
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And usually it's the front for a corporation to buy your home.
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Cause there's a ton of companies buying up tons of houses to
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manipulate the housing market.
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Get your tinfoil hats listeners, because that's one of the big ones coming for you.
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The movie starts out as a slow burn.
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So I, I'm a giant weeb.
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I love my anime.
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I I just started watching Solo Leveling on Crunchyroll the other night.
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I was,, really excited I have a new show.
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Cause there's been, you know, there's not a lot out there to watch anymore.
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My Attack on Titan ended, Vinland Saga is dry all of them.
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Jujutsu Kaisen finished up, there's no Demon Slayer, all that stuff.
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So they start out this movie and it's an anime style fight.
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And it's cool.
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And I thought for a second when John mentioned it, he didn't
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tell me it was fully in Chinese.
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So you're watching it.
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You can watch a dubbed version, but I watched it sub because, you know, I'm a
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purist and I saw it animated and I was like, Oh my God, is this a two hour long
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anime movie that he just roped us into?
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Cause I'm so in.
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And then it switches into real live actors.
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We get introduced to Lone and Young, the two main characters.
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And it is a slow start.
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They have some comic relief in there, but it, I'm not going to say,
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don't go out and watch this movie.
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I'm not going to crap all over it.
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It's a low budget movie.
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That does a lot with the money that you had and, a lot of it does land,
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but it is one thing you have to prepare yourself for is, you know, You've got a
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35 minute exposition sort of beginning
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Ryan : Yeah,
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Jon: they sort of established this dragons hero arc for Lone and Young.
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You know, they have an earth dragon and they just sort of, yeah.
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Kearns: in the mythology.
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Jon: And the beginning is really just
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Kearns: Yeah.
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Jon: and their friend who, it turns out there may not be a government
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operative filming, their lives.
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There's nothing to film, but they're documenting everything.
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Ryan : You're
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Kearns: So it looks like a found footage.
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Ryan : I was gonna say you're talking about Yit and the
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Special Abnormal Activity Squad.
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Jon: Yes.
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Kearns: That's the, one of the things about this is They almost
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use it as comic relief when they, expose some of the stuff they
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have to do to make the movie work.
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There's one point where they literally have no way to get to where they're
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going and a truck just randomly rolls into the frame and a dead body falls out.
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They're like, we really could use a truck right now.
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And it just shows up and they're like, Oh, all right.
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And they just get in and they drive away.
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That was pretty funny.
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And there's a bunch of other stuff they do as well that I
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can't think of in the moment.
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But.
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They don't have a lot of money and resources.
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So they have to make certain things work.
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What I did find out is Sean and wing are two characters that are prominent
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Chinese actors that did this movie.
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Jon: I did not know that.
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Kearns: So when you think back to the movie and you think of their presence and
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what they do during the movie, it actually makes sense because they are good actors.
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And you can tell the difference between them and everybody else.
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there's waifu number one who we meet early on and she's practicing with
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a bo staff out in the street and all the guys are watching her and waifu
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number two is literally a waifu.
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She's a wife that they find during the zombie apocalypse portion of the film,
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and she was just sleeping on a bench randomly alive and she wanted some food.
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She demands food.
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Jon: Yes.
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Ryan : Oh yeah, because she basically she got turned down at her wedding.
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the groomsman doesn't show.
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She gets the text and she just wants ice cream and potato chips as she screams
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at Lone About on top of the roof.
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that was his dream girl though.
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That was Xuen.
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Cause that's the, the woman who's does the tournaments and stuff.
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So he's all in heaven when he sees her she's like, I just want food.
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getting married.
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There's a zombie apocalypse, let it have me.
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And he's like, no, you're, there's going to be people affected.
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Kearns: Yeah.
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Ryan : little stuff in it.
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I remember in the beginning with the little kid with the pushpins, when he
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puts them in and then, oh, thumbtacks.
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All right.
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Now, after that, I
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Kearns: He
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Ryan : that.
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Kearns: in his hand.
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Ryan : Oh my God, I couldn't wait for that little kid to get pummeled.
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And when it happened, I was just.
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I'll be honest.
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I was like, yeah, good for them.
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And then they get all worried because think they did a crime.
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No, you were killing a zombie.
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Gentlemen, you're doing what you were supposed to do.
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Kearns: It's so random that they chose zombies.
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This movie could have used anything else to the zombie.
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so you have, you have a shown in anime with the power of friendship, we will
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succeed plot line and the mashed up right next to a zombie apocalypse and it works.
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Well, but it's true.
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It could be a goblin invasion.
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It could be anything.
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They could have done ghoulies six or whatever they would
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number they'd be up to for this.
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And these guys could have used that.
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And it being zombies though, makes it cool because you see why they made
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that little kid such a dick, because, when they inevitably have the kids
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zombify and that that's actually the part that kicks off the film, by the
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way the, the action portion of the film is what happens to this kid.
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It is hilarious.
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And you love every second of it because he's a little shit.
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Jon: Yeah, but, even then they establish how good Lone and Young are because
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they already don't like the kid.
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They already know the kid is a jerk.
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But they still have to argue over whether they should pummel him.
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we kill this kid?
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, Kearns: Right.
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Jon: it's a kid, we can't, it's still a big fight for them, no matter how bad.
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And then, just the one throwaway line in that scene, Again, fatty is amazing.
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Kearns: That is good.
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I like how they chastise him for how he's treating his parents
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as he's eating their faces too.
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That's pretty funny.
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Dude, you can't treat your parents like that.
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They're very out of touch they're very dumb, the two main characters.
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Well, the main character's long.
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The two guys, their best friends, they, it's, so the whole idea of the
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movie that we're glancing over is that Lone specifically has a fantasy of
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being a hero and overcoming and say, he's a savior complex and all of that.
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And he's just a really good guy.
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Now.
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He, he was raised by Sean.
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He calls her auntie.
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She's not really his aunt though.
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I don't believe.
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Ryan : No.
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Kearns: and his dad, left.
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And is a dick, or was a dick.
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And his whole portion of the movie is basically one big redemption arc.
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Kinda.
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And yeah, so Lone, that's Lone's thing.
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He, wants to be accepted.
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He's literally an anime character.
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Ryan : he's got the basis of it.
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Jon: I wrote as one of my notes, Lone kind of lives in a fantasy world with no
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rent and monsters to vanquish., that's his whole world, even before there's zombies.
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Kearns: that's true.
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And Then when he gets his purpose, it's almost tongue in cheek as he
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hits the benchmarks of the hero's journey throughout the film and
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evolves and becomes the heroine.
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He consistently saves people who don't deserve saving.
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Well, not necessarily, but you know what I mean?
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He's always, Getting people to want to live and things like that.
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As he ambles on and then we find out, you know, I don't want to get to the
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ending yet, but they have some kick ass action scenes in between from I don't
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know, from about an hour in to through the end, really, but from an hour in
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through the last 20 minutes, there's some cool group fight scenes and they
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have some awesome homemade weapons.
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Ryan : Are you talking about the, the drill, the extension
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with the, the saw at the end?
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Was pretty
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Kearns: Yeah, That thing is amazing.
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And they had like the, he has the chain too with the spike bucket thing.
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Ryan : the helm, the guillotine, he calls it.
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Kearns: Yeah, that all of it.
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I'm just watching it.
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So now you have to imagine we're all, we're all adults.
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I'm doing air quotes for those listening with jobs and responsibilities.
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So I watched this movie in four sittings.
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And I'm trying to pay attention when they're sitting there doing
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the Home Depot battleax fight scene stuff and just screwing things
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together to kill the zombies.
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It was cool.
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Jon: I love the first time they take them out though, and young turns
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that saw one on and it works for about a second and the battery dies.
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Kearns: But that's, kind of like the way they are, they're not very good.
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They don't turn them into effective heroes.
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And I like that they're not those guys.
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Not to say that they never could be, but they're not those guys.
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And that's what keeps the comedy going in the movie a little bit
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is them consistently screwing up.
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Ryan : It also gives a connection because they have flaws, you know, and with
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those flaws, I mean, everyone has flaws.
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So watching the film, you find a connection with these characters
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like, Oh, this could happen to me.
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Or, know, the battery dying or being in a dire situation where
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it's like, shit, what do I do?
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You kind of can relate.
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And I don't know.
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I felt like there was a little relation with Lone and Young.
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I mean, Young kept me cracking up.
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Especially with the one sit up line.
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Jon: Swing.
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Ryan : only does one sit up.
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It's when he gets out of bed in the morning.
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And I was like, Oh shit, this is hilarious.
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Kearns: The main bad guy uses that again at the end of the movie too.
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And the, thing I like about young is young shows up in the frame when Lone
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is doing something he gets punched in the balls a couple of times and stuff.
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And , remember when he shows up with the crackers for the bride,
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that's what I, I forget her name.
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Ryan : A shoe in.
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Kearns: She went, he brought, he walks up with.
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Swing!
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He shows up with the crackers for her because she's hungry and she's hangry.
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So he hands crackers to Lone so he can feed this angry woman of his dreams.
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Jon: Yeah.
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Ryan : the best of pals, man.
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They got each other's back and that's what it's all about.
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Kearns: Yeah.
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It's just the way he does it, though.
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He's like, Ta da!
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And he hands the crackers over and then he just , scurries out of the frame.
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He knows that this isn't his scene.
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Kind of thing.
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It's funny.
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Ryan : It happens earlier too when Young is walking with Yit down the
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sidewalk, and, he shoes Lone away, and she's, trying to follow him, he's
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like, no no, this is, this is for us.
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He's like, I can't have you cross, there's cars coming, and it shows, an empty road.
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She's like, there are no cars.
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He's like, no, there's cars!
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Jon: And then he has
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by standing in the middle of the road as there's a van coming.
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Kearns: Oh, yeah.
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Ryan : The guy's, on the cell phone, looking at receipts,
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driving all crazy, and then he yells at them at the end of it.
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Like, you were wrong too, bro.
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Jon: He's a stereotypical distracted driver, just swerving all over the place,
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and you know Young's not going to be able to stop him, and then comes and joins
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in, and really what's going to happen is they're both going to get smoked by a van.
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The driver comes, gets his
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Kearns: their innocence in a way at that part.
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It's kind of funny.
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There's a few things about this that I wanted to touch on, but the main
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one I really wanted to get into was that it came out in 2018, right?
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And then we had the Chinese, the CCCP, what are the, what is mainland China
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called now people's Republic of China.
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Ryan : Yes.
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Kearns: fully took over control of Hong Kong, right.
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As this was happening.
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And the film kind of comes out right in the middle of that.
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And it, it really seems like a metaphor for that as well.
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That's the big evil That the youth of Hong Kong is going to be
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fighting any teeth to that idea.
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Jon: I can get behind it.
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I mean,
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Ryan : Silence.
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Jon: of people falling in line with communists taking over and
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then the youth sort of trying to fight it off and I can see that.
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Kearns: And then ultimately losing, which sucks too.
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Ryan : They kept the Chinese lore with zombies with the spirits.
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And how, the spirits infect the body.
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They take over the body and that becomes a zombie.
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I'm happy they kept that lore still with the Chinese culture because here in
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America it's usually like, or something or that create the zombie in Chinese lore.
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It's spirits So I was happy that they kept that
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Jon: Yeah, they did, and the zombies work as an occupying force, and then at the
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end you get their, sort of, the added arsenal of eggs as exploding projectiles.
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Kearns: They're getting back to the chicken again.
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Everybody
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Jon: will always come
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Ryan : I wasn't expecting the eggs
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Kearns: there's a part where there's a carpet bomb of exploding
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eggs that comes at the crew.
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It's pretty funny.
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When the action stuff, it's not bonsai level crazy, but it's funny.
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There's crazy action The fighting, it doesn't remind me of Chinese,
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chinese cinema has, there's a different sort of flow with
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regard to their fighting.
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When you see, I don't know the old, old style movies and things like that,
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that are actually Chinese, the animated movies that are Chinese, they don't
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tend to have the sharp cuts and changes.
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This felt Japanese, the way they did that.
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Chinese and Korean movies specifically tend to be a little bit more, not
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American, they're their own thing for sure, but less sharp and cutting
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Japanese and Indian action sequences have something in common where it's very, in
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your face, funny, slappy kind of thing.
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I mean, their action is very frame by frame by frame by frame.
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It's keeping you looking back and forth, kind of like you're watching a.
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A tennis match and fast forward.
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So I was surprised to see that like, Oh, this is a Chinese movie.
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But I kept going back in my head., I feel like this is a Japanese
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movie especially with the fighting.
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Jon: Yeah, yeah, it did.
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It also felt like a Chinese Evil Dead.
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You know, you have the improvised
18:05
Kearns: Interesting.
18:06
Jon: you have this sort of frenetic fighting and stuff,, there are times
18:10
where it feels very Evil Dead to me.
18:12
Kearns: I could see that.
18:13
Ryan : Would you say
18:14
Kearns: I could see that.
18:14
Ryan : because of the comedy aspect?
18:16
Jon: yeah, you could go too.
18:18
It's not quite as comedic as Evil Dead 2 can be, but it's definitely,
18:22
it's got the comedic elements.
18:23
It's somewhere in between one and two.
18:25
Kearns: Makes sense.
18:26
So the crux of everything comes down to Lone's father's redemption arc.
18:31
How does that end?
18:31
Is he redeemed fellas?
18:33
Jon: as much as he's gonna be, I mean, he's estranged from Lone after attempting
18:39
an insurance scam with Shan that
18:42
Ryan : Yep.
18:46
Jon: and he just sort of runs off after that, and then he comes back,
18:49
Willing to do anything to be back in Shan's life and Lone's life, offering
18:54
the sword, cut me, cut me, cut me.
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And he takes the sword and
18:57
Kearns: Yeah, he does ask to be and that's very Japanese too, by the way.
19:01
Maybe it's Chinese too, but to cut your hair off and disgrace.
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Jon: there's
19:04
Kearns: It's another one.
19:05
Sorry about that.
19:06
Jon: watching Lone confront his dad in half of a panda costume.
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Kearns: Yeah, that's funny too.
19:11
Ryan : Who's your son?
19:12
Jon: yeah, they seem to do something like that through the whole movie.
19:16
Every time there's a heavier emotional scene, they sort of, Take the edge off it
19:21
a little bit with something goofy either during or immediately after like when
19:27
wing is ultimately redeemed a father and he's you know he's running out to
19:31
distract the eggs and he takes the egg to the head and you're like oh my god they
19:35
just Killed Lone's dad and then every time you would almost feel really sad.
19:41
They're gonna cut in with something a little goofy.
19:44
Kearns: Yeah, that's that comic relief thing is well utilized in this for sure.
19:49
Ryan : When the egg hits the propane tank, it follows up a lot with the comedy.
19:52
Because once that propane tank explodes, all the eggs become fried eggs.
19:56
then you just see the chicken feet just looking at all the fried eggs.
19:59
Kearns: Everything they do with that stupid chicken lands arguably
20:02
not maybe the end, but the rest of it's pretty damn funny.
20:06
So, with the movie,
20:08
the tough part about doing an episode on a movie like this is that
20:11
it's,
20:12
on substance that we can chew on.
20:13
It's not light on substance in general, but it is there.
20:16
It
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Ryan : You
20:17
Kearns: wide net.
20:18
And so nothing's super deep.
20:20
All the characters are very cookie cutter.
20:22
Which is fine because of what the movie is.
20:25
It's good.
20:25
It's entertaining, but there's no deep roots that we have with the director.
20:30
Jon: Yeah,
20:34
Kearns: it's a subtitled Chinese film, so that's tricky to follow
20:37
along with in general too.
20:39
And it's doing three things at once, where it's trying to do Lone's Hero
20:42
arc, Wing's Redemption arc And there's another thing going on there with the
20:47
whole group coalescing and the power of friendship aspect of it as well.
20:51
And there's probably two or three more with the other characters
20:53
that I'm not touching upon because I can't think of it right now.
20:56
Jon: hold
20:56
Ryan : what happens when you have like six screenwriters.
20:59
Kearns: Yeah.
20:59
They all wrote it.
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Ryan : Yeah, there was six screenwriters who wrote the whole film.
21:03
So, from what I was reading, it was pulling idea from idea to idea, and then
21:07
combining it all to form this movie.
21:10
But again, they were just having fun, I feel.
21:12
I don't think it was one of those, this is gonna make Cinema history.
21:15
It's just it's a fun movie for people to enjoy.
21:18
And I feel like a lot of people, I mean, I feel like we all enjoyed it.
21:21
The only thing is, is I agree with the story.
21:23
There's a lot of story, with kit or yet, I'm sorry.
21:26
I keep calling her kit.
21:27
It's not the car, David
21:29
it's just . She gets swarmed by the real estate agents and
21:32
then she disappears and then
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Jon: Silence.
21:38
Ryan : basically tells you when a person's being negative or positive
21:42
and that's how she can find the zombies is through the negative energy
21:45
Kearns: I forgot about that.
21:46
Okay.
21:46
Ryan : well it's like they're like oh what happened to her and young's like oh she's
21:50
on an important mission you don't know if she's on an important mission you're
21:53
just presuming and i feel like there's a lot of presumption written in it but then
21:57
they fill it in later like oh yeah this did happen like with wink he gets Bit
22:01
in when he's making the eggs for Shan.
22:04
you hear noises, so you think something happens, and it's
22:07
like, Oh yeah, I got bit.
22:08
When did you get bit?
22:09
And then you have to kinda, as the viewer, kinda sum it all up.
22:12
Which is fine, but it's like, just put it in the movie.
22:15
Kearns: Yeah, there's too much of that.
22:17
There's too much of that sort of cut pastes.
22:19
Don't worry about it.
22:20
It'll work sort of mentality with the movie.
22:22
But then if you put yourself into the place of just seeing it from a certain
22:27
perspective, you kind of forgive all that.
22:29
And enjoy the viewing experience.
22:32
or you don't, and you hate the movie.
22:33
I haven't seen a single review of this film that wasn't lukewarm.
22:36
At best, I thought it was much better than a lot of people gave a credit for, and
22:41
I do understand its pitfalls, but if you just kind of see,, all right, they were
22:44
sort of making a mockery, not a mockery, but they were sort of utilizing tongue
22:48
in cheek methods of using these different story techniques, and they did mash them
22:52
all together, it was a collage and if you can accept the ending for what it is,
22:56
Which is just, it, I mean, I don't know if we should spoil the ending of the movie.
23:00
We probably shouldn't.
23:01
It's not the sixth sense, guys, but.
23:03
Eww, no, we won't.
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Ryan : It's an interesting twist.
23:06
I'll just say that to the viewers.
23:08
It's an interesting twist when it makes you think, because I was like, oh
23:11
shit, and I was like, oh shit, okay.
23:14
I see where this is happening.
23:15
The reason why I'm saying that too right now is my wife, she
23:18
was watching it with me, and
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Kearns: oh, poor Jada.
23:21
Ryan : oh no, she loved it!
23:22
Jada
23:22
Kearns: Oh, really?
23:23
Ryan : She loved it.
23:24
She said kudos to Jon.
23:25
She loved it.
23:26
So she's finishing watching it now because we fell asleep while we were watching it.
23:30
And she's like, how did it end?
23:31
And I'm like, oh, you're going to find it interesting.
23:33
You're either going to hate it or you're going to either love it.
23:36
was like, how'd you find it?
23:37
I said, I loved it.
23:38
Cause, if you go into the deeper understanding of it, it's very simple
23:41
and then there's a deeper meaning.
23:43
that's with a lot of zombie films, we're talking about George A.
23:46
Romero
23:46
he always had meaning.
23:48
Night of the Living Dead is really, you know, it's about the end of
23:51
racism, is how he set it up, in my opinion, and from what I've read.
23:55
And this kind of movie does the same thing because it's just about being yourself
23:59
and just I feel like, standing up for what you believe in and never giving
24:02
Kearns: That's good.
24:03
And it's true.
24:04
And then you get to see that ultimately, you know, you can, you
24:07
can interpret it as they're consumed.
24:09
And in turn, that works with the metaphor about Hong Kong being consumed
24:13
by China and losing their autonomy.
24:15
works and that's how the ending hit me.
24:17
And I was like, that was artistically done.
24:19
It was well done.
24:21
I got, I got the point.
24:22
I thought it was cool.
24:23
And it's not just boring to watch.
24:24
It's not like watching your homework.
24:25
The ending sequence is sick.
24:27
It's done animated because I imagine they didn't have the money
24:30
to pull that off Avengers Marvel esque style special effects.
24:36
So they animated it.
24:37
They animated it well.
24:38
And it's super cool, but it's also the animated portions are pure fantasy,
24:42
and that's what we sort of get with Lone is that that's in his head.
24:45
So did he?
24:47
There's a there's an idea you can have when you watch the end.
24:49
This is about as much as I can do to describe it.
24:51
You can decide whether or not the character engaged in anything past any
24:56
of the last 10 to 12 minutes of the movie, or if the movie ended exactly 12 minutes
25:00
earlier and you just watched sort of a fantasy sequence in his head and like
25:04
that, it's an interesting way to go about
25:06
Jon: mean, you could almost make the case that the whole movie
25:09
is a fantasy scene in his head.
25:11
He's just sort of wherever he is, and this is just what's going on in his mind.
25:16
Kearns: That could be, you could be sitting in class or work daydreaming.
25:19
Jon: I think it works best as the two, the animated book ends are fantasy,
25:25
and what happens in between is.
25:26
The reality.
25:27
Reality, but it could all be just be in his
25:30
Kearns: Yeah.
25:30
And that would work because everybody in the movie is a foil for Lone,
25:33
Jon: Yes.
25:34
Kearns: including his best friends.
25:35
And he's like, well, now I just, I want to love interest.
25:38
And here's this bride who was left at the altar for me.
25:41
And she's super hot and kicks all the asses.
25:44
My dream girl and all that stuff.
25:46
And it's funny, like waifu number one, I keep forgetting her name.
25:48
Shan's is it her daughter?
25:50
Ryan : her
25:50
Kearns: The one from the opening sequence, her niece.
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Yeah.
25:53
She's, she's off the table yet is off the table.
25:56
You can't have her yet alone.
25:58
Jon: mm-hmm
25:58
Kearns: He doesn't really see her that way.
25:59
They're.
26:00
And they never breached that sort of social contract.
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Ryan : Yeung does
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Jon: does.
26:03
Yeah.
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Kearns: Yeah.
26:04
Yeah, of course.
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Ryan : six
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Kearns: he didn't grow up in the same house.
26:07
Six pack young.
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What's his most, what's his best contribution?
26:10
Best friends, six pack Yeung.
26:11
What's his best contribution to the movie
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he's a hundred percent just fodder foil.
26:16
He's power of friendship guy.
26:18
He's funny though.
26:18
He, what he does for what he does in his role, he is funny, but he
26:21
doesn't really accomplish much at all.
26:23
Jon: He's the one with, with the saw that doesn't work.
26:26
He's the, you know, he's, he's the more hapless of the two.
26:30
Kearns: Which works well in Lone's arc.
26:32
Like, Lone's mindset of him being the hero, too.
26:36
Is he has to take care of Young as well.
26:38
They're not co equals.
26:39
Ryan : He states it.
26:40
He says that I will die before you Lone to young.
26:43
My life will be up for grabs first before your life.
26:46
So it kind of shows Lone like a really good friend on that.
26:49
Not saying young's not a bad like he's he's not a horrible friend,
26:53
but , he's there for the ride Lone.
26:54
Like got you.
26:55
Kearns: Yeah, that's to bolster that whole,, self white knight sort of thing.
26:59
That way he sees himself compared to, and it's definitely in contrast
27:02
to the way other people see him.
27:04
He gets, he's getting the made fun of and stuff like that throughout the
27:07
beginning of the movie a little bit.
27:08
Jon: And you can also look at Yeung and further that the whole thing is a
27:12
fantasy because he's kind of like your stereotypical imaginary friend, too.
27:17
He just sort of
27:18
Kearns: Hmm.
27:19
Jon: you, but never really to himself.
27:21
He Lones creation, almost, in that way.
27:23
Kearns: Yeah,
27:24
he is really, he's a quintessential foil character.
27:27
It's true.
27:27
That's so funny.
27:28
I never thought of it until you described it that way, but yeah, it's very true.
27:31
God, what else can we point out about this masterpiece?
27:34
Not really, this good hang.
27:36
It is a good hang.
27:37
It's a nice first date, maybe second date, but, but you're going
27:41
to see other people kind of movie.
27:43
Jon: To go with the relationship thing, I kind of like that moment
27:47
he runs into his ex girlfriend who's carrying a baby who she has dressed
27:52
Ryan : Yes.
27:54
Jon: yours?
27:54
No, it can't be.
27:55
And then he's like, is that mine?
27:57
No, he's two.
27:58
We broke up six years ago.
28:01
It's just, the whole thing is so funny to me.
28:04
Kearns: Well, because he's in his head like saying, is that mine?
28:07
Ryan : What's
28:13
Jon: be, then he goes and talks, he's like, does it mind?
28:15
It's just so preposterous to then hear them say, her say, I broke up.
28:21
We broke up six years ago.
28:22
He's two.
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You
28:24
Ryan : that whole layer?
28:25
Jon: know, I
28:26
Kearns: Double layer for double dragons, which they should get sued for that too.
28:31
But I guess not dragon.
28:32
That's Dragon of heaven dragon of earth.
28:34
I think there's seven of each if I'm not mistaken Not in the movie
28:37
but in the lore But yeah, there's there's not really too much more to
28:40
dig up this truffles not too deep.
28:42
Do you guys have any other foreign movies that you're into?
28:45
Foreign horror movies that you want to shout out?
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Jon: I didn't go with five other foreign movies or five
28:51
other, whatever I went with.
28:52
Five other movies that feature killer food,
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Kearns: killer food,
28:57
Jon: food.
28:57
Kearns: that's going to be okay.
28:59
So I know, I know one of them's good.
29:01
I know one of them's going to be,
29:02
Jon: All right.
29:02
We'll
29:03
Ryan : Good.
29:05
Kearns: Maybe the obvious one isn't on his list.
29:08
Jon: we'll start with my number five, the original street trash,
29:12
which is killer street hooch that will hollow a person out.
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Kearns: What?
29:17
Ryan : Oh,
29:21
Jon: going
29:22
Kearns: There's a man who was on a bender who wrote that script.
29:24
Jon: trash is going on the
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Kearns: I guess it must.
29:26
Jon: Number four, I think we've touched on briefly, Poultry
29:30
Geist, Night of the Chicken Dead.
29:32
It's, yep,
29:33
Kearns: Geist is definitely on, it's in the, the, archives
29:38
of our recordings for sure.
29:39
Jon: hmm.
29:40
Number three, Attack of the Killer Donuts.
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Kearns: Ha ha ha ha.
29:45
What a twist.
29:46
Jon: Which is surprisingly way more fun than it should be.
29:50
And it's exactly what it sounds like it
29:52
Kearns: I mean, everybody wants them to get their revenge.
29:55
We've, we've been massacring donuts for, for century now.
29:58
Jon: I'm
29:58
Ryan : for good reason.
29:59
Jon: few when I get, when you get done.
30:00
Two, and it's only two because the killer food is a brief appearance.
30:04
John dies at the end, which has a killer meat monster.
30:08
Which is exactly
30:09
meat that becomes possessed and assembles into a meat monster.
30:13
Kearns: A meat golem, if you will.
30:15
Jon: golem.
30:16
for.
30:17
I can't get enough
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Kearns: Yeah, probably.
30:19
Jon: Stuff.
30:20
Killer Cool Whip.
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Kearns: Yeah, I definitely thought you were going to be up to stuff.
30:23
If you haven't seen this stuff, you have to see this stuff.
30:25
Why do you have to see this stuff, John, since it's your pick?
30:28
Jon: Oh, it is everything.
30:29
It is comedic.
30:31
It's horror.
30:32
Kearns: is everything.
30:34
Jon: it is such a commentary on American consumerism.
30:37
But you don't even have to see it that way.
30:39
You can just watch it and see a bonkers movie about Killer Cool Whip.
30:43
Ryan : You got me a killer
30:44
Kearns: There you go.
30:45
I
30:45
Ryan : why.
30:45
Cool whip!
30:46
No, I have not.
30:48
Until you've told me.
30:49
Jon: I
30:50
Kearns: it on VHS.
30:52
Maybe DVD.
30:52
This stuff is older.
30:54
Jon: Yeah, it's
30:54
Kearns: Yeah, we saw it a long time ago.
30:56
This stuff was at my friend Matt's house growing up when we were watching
31:00
B horror movies and trying to see boobs.
31:02
It was way back in the day.
31:03
And I did, I most assuredly did not pick up on the the commentary
31:07
on consumerism at the time.
31:09
All right.
31:09
So yeah, the attack of the killer donuts,
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Jon: Mm-hmm
31:13
Kearns: right?
31:13
We skipped over the tomatoes
31:15
Jon: We skipped.
31:15
Kearns: for good reason.
31:16
That's too meta.
31:18
It's too obvious.
31:19
It's a good one.
31:19
All right.
31:20
Poultry Geist.
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Ryan, do you have a set
31:23
Ryan : I do, I actually went with top five Asian zombie films that I did
31:27
some research on as well as movies that I'm familiar with, as well as
31:31
a couple that am going to definitely see and recommend people to see if
31:35
they liked zombiology for my fifth pick hashtag alive came out in 2020.
31:40
It's about Oh Joon Woo, a video game streamer who's stuck in his
31:44
apartment, struggling to survive during the zombie apocalypse.
31:47
It seems pretty interesting to me.
31:49
I've seen trailers on Netflix where he's
31:51
Down like, how do I get out of this?
31:53
Very intriguing.
31:54
Definitely on my list.
31:56
Number four is the odd family zombie on sale.
31:59
It's come from 2019 and the story revolves around the park family whose lives
32:04
get disrupted after the elderly father
32:07
Kearns: by CastingWords
32:17
Ryan : Faces the Phantom.
32:19
But it's with their version of KISS, fighting zombies.
32:22
I see John smiling.
32:23
So have you seen Wild Zero, John?
32:26
Jon: I haven't seen that one, but it reminds me of a movie called
32:29
Hard Rock Zombies, which it
32:31
Ryan : Ooh,
32:32
Jon: feels like the same premise.
32:33
It's a rock band fighting zombies.
32:37
Ryan : that's going on my list right now as I'm writing it down.
32:40
Kearns: Yellow kings, not quite zombies, but similar idea with the the rock band.
32:44
Jon: I'll throw in hashtag alive.
32:47
Way more fun than it should be.
32:48
And Odd Family, Zombie for Sale is also, it's, it's
32:53
ridiculous, but it's so much fun.
32:56
It's so well made for what it is.
32:58
It's sort of, reminds me a lot of Parasite, but.
33:02
With zombies and more comedy.
33:04
It's a similar
33:05
Ryan : That's an
33:06
Kearns: Interesting.
33:07
Ryan : Let's say parasite and zombies.
33:09
I'm sold.
33:09
Kearns: I know that's pretty good.
33:11
That's a pretty good combo.
33:12
And not like parasites listeners.
33:14
I mean, he means the Oscar award winning parasites.
33:17
Ryan : Number two is train to Busan from 2016.
33:20
Man, his estranged daughter and other passengers become trapped
33:24
on a speeding train during a zombie outbreak in South Korea.
33:27
I have seen bits and pieces of this, not in its entirety.
33:30
It's a great zombie film.
33:32
I know there were, I was like, John, you told me they were supposed
33:35
to do the remake in New York.
33:36
It got canceled.
33:37
I'm kind of fine with that because they shouldn't touch the original
33:40
Jon: I,
33:40
Ryan : on that.
33:41
Jon: is so, so good.
33:44
It doesn't have the comedy elements that the other ones you've mentioned have,
33:48
but it is such an effective zombie movie.
33:51
Ryan : I'm sold on it.
33:52
And then the last one is from 1998.
33:55
Good old nineties film bio zombie two mall employees driving to work, hit a man
34:00
who drank a soda laced with a chemical that turns people into cannibals on
34:05
Kearns: It's always Soda, the slurm method of getting zombified.
34:10
Ryan : It was probably code
34:11
Kearns: Soda was so interwoven into the 1980s.
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Ryan : That's my five.
34:15
Jon: A good list.
34:16
Kearns: Yeah, it is a good list.
34:17
Ryan : you.
34:17
we've been having a lot of good lists the last few weeks.
34:20
Kearns: They are good.
34:20
And they inspire future episodes, which is also good, but definitely
34:23
check out some of the movies, their IMDbs and stuff like that, that the
34:26
guys mentioned in their top fives.
34:27
And yeah, that was zombiology.
34:29
So we, we reached out across at least one ocean for that one.
34:32
And it's available on Amazon prime.
34:35
If you want to watch it, I'll probably throw the trailer up at the
34:37
end of the video, like I always do.
34:39
If you're listening though, you're gonna have to find it your damn self.
34:42
Take care, everybody.
34:43
Jon: See ya.
34:43
Be very afraid.