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Patriots Unfiltered 1/23: Building the Patriots Coaching Staff, Playoffs Recap, Mapping Out the Offseason · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 1: at Jills Stadium and the Gerrodmeo era continues. We're all
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  Speaker 1: on the watch to see who he's hiring. We know
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  Speaker 1: he's been interviewing or at least scheduling interviews with a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people, and maybe Evan, who's been keeping up
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  Speaker 1: with that, will fill in what he knows so far.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, defensive coordinators, offensive coordinators.
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  Speaker 4: Special teams coordinators.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, we'll see what's going on there. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's everyone's kind of on pins and needles
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  Speaker 1: to see what happens with his staff. Not just us,
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  Speaker 1: but people who are on the staff currently are interested
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  Speaker 1: to find out Am I staying? Am I going? Do
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  Speaker 1: I want to stay? Do I want to go? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Who you think would be in that position?
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  Speaker 1: All the trainers, all the nutrition is all.
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  Speaker 4: That you met? Coaches? Yeah, yeah, no, that's true. You're
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  Speaker 4: right about that.
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  Speaker 1: And I would say every coach too.
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  Speaker 4: I ain't most of them kind of have an idea.
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  Speaker 4: It looks like, you know, and I'll give the floor
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  Speaker 4: to Evan with the ins and outs, but it looks
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  Speaker 4: like DeMarcus Covington I think has a a lot of
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  Speaker 4: people seem to think that he's got an inside track
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  Speaker 4: for the defense for the Okay.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I would agree with that. I think warranted. You know,
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  Speaker 7: he interviewed the last couple cycles for other teams defensive
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  Speaker 7: coordinators last year with Arizona I believe it was. And
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  Speaker 7: so he's a name that's that's been on a lot
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  Speaker 7: of lists around the NFL. You know, Tom Pelaso does
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  Speaker 7: that yearly list of up and coming coaches and he's
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  Speaker 7: been on it a couple of years in a row.
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  Speaker 7: So I could definitely see him being the defensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 7: And I think a lot of these interviews, if you
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  Speaker 7: look at some of the other ones like Tim Lubika,
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  Speaker 7: Christian Parker, those guys has come being interviewed for the
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  Speaker 7: DC job, but to actually be position coaches, kind of
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  Speaker 7: like what they did with Adrian Klem, I think would
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  Speaker 7: make a lot of sense just based off of their backgrounds.
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  Speaker 7: You know, guy like Tim Lubaca can be the linebackers coach,
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  Speaker 7: Parker can coach the secondary and maybe start to fill
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  Speaker 7: out the staff a little bit that way. So I
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  Speaker 7: think that there's some of those guys on the defense
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  Speaker 7: side of the ball if you look at them as
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  Speaker 7: more interviewing for position coach roles instead of actual defensive
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  Speaker 7: coordinators views, and it makes a lot more sense.
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  Speaker 8: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I guess we're jumping right into it. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: interesting that the Belichick boys have been told, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you want to stay, you can stay. But Steve
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  Speaker 1: hasn't interviewed for the DC job as far as I know, No.
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  Speaker 7: Not not reported on publicly. Mike Reas did. I don't
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  Speaker 7: know if it was informed opinion from Mike. I guess
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  Speaker 7: it's the best way to put it. Did say that
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  Speaker 7: he could be in line for like an assistant to
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  Speaker 7: the head coach type of role instead.
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  Speaker 4: If he were to stay, if you were to stay
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  Speaker 4: instead of find that odd, No, because there was a
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  Speaker 4: reason why they weren't making him the defensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was just because Bill was kind of
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  Speaker 1: afraid of the optics.
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  Speaker 4: I think it had more to do with his sort
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  Speaker 4: of presence.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I've heard that like Girod was the guy that
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  Speaker 1: had to deliver the message. He controlled the room, where
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  Speaker 1: Steve was more of an introvert, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, and behind the scenes, you know, you know, doctor
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  Speaker 4: a game plan or whatever. I think he probably had value,
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  Speaker 4: but maybe not the whole defensive coordinator package.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I think that's fair to say. I was
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  Speaker 7: talking to old friend Devin mccordy, and he was saying
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  Speaker 7: that Gerard would get to the front of the room
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  Speaker 7: and he would present like the mentality of the game plan,
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  Speaker 7: like what we have to do to you know, we
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  Speaker 7: got to be physical, we got to be this, and
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  Speaker 7: he'd be like the motivator and then Steve would come
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  Speaker 7: in and he would give the calls and how that
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  Speaker 7: is going to mimic you know what Gerard would say,
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  Speaker 7: And he said it was weird, but it just worked
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  Speaker 7: like it for whatever reason like the two of them
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  Speaker 7: together just it was perfect for both of their personalities
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  Speaker 7: that Gerard could be the motivator, he could be the
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  Speaker 7: raw rock kind of guy, and then Steve could be
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  Speaker 7: the x's and o's guy. And it just worked for
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  Speaker 7: those two guys together. So I wouldn't be surprised if
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  Speaker 7: Gerard is making a strong pitch try to keep Steve
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  Speaker 7: her out.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, I think he's going to wait to see, like
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  Speaker 8: where his dad ends up going.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's what I heard is doing.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's pretty clear at this point because if
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  Speaker 4: he wasn't, if it had nothing to do with Bill,
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  Speaker 4: then I think we'd know whether or not they were staying.
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  Speaker 1: And you bring up Bill, and the latest word is
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  Speaker 1: there's no certainty that he's going to be coaching this
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  Speaker 1: year right now. It seems like Atlanta is the only
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  Speaker 1: suitor at this point and that Arthur Blank really wants him,
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  Speaker 1: but the layers of executives that he has below them
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  Speaker 1: are kind of tentative about it, you know, so that's
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  Speaker 1: an issue. I do have a theory though about the Dallas.
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  Speaker 4: First theory at twelve oh six, No.
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  Speaker 1: Because you know it came out, you know, obviously everyone thought, oh,
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  Speaker 1: Dallas won and done, they're going to fire McCarthy and
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  Speaker 1: Bill's gonna slide right in. They were one and done.
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  Speaker 1: But they didn't fire McCarthy, you know. And there there
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  Speaker 1: was reports that they did kind of reach out to
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  Speaker 1: Bill and Bill said he wasn't interested.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't see those Oh you see that.
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  Speaker 1: I saw that, and I started thinking about, like, why
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't he be interested? And possibly, you know, Bill has
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  Speaker 1: this whole thing, you know, he honors the fraternity of coaches,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and I wonder if, like he said to
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  Speaker 1: the Cowboys, right, you have a head coach, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to talk to you while he's employed. If he wasn't,
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  Speaker 1: if you had a vacancy, I'd be happy to talk
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  Speaker 1: to you, but I'm not going to undermine an existing
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  Speaker 1: head coach and start interviewing for a job that's already filled.
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  Speaker 1: I could see Bill saying that if they did reach
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  Speaker 1: out to him. Now, I don't know if the report's true,
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  Speaker 1: but I could see Bill saying I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: talk until there's an opening.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I could see Bill thinking that way. I absolutely could,
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  Speaker 4: But I don't think that's why he's not the coach,
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  Speaker 4: of the Dallas Cowboys. That's an easy one. Okay, Yeah, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: he's out. Now are you interested? Like, that's a pretty
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  Speaker 4: simple you make make a vacancy. That's the thing that's
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  Speaker 4: stopping talking.
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  Speaker 1: But Jerry Jones might be like, oh, I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to fire him til I'm sure I want to get you,
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  Speaker 1: and Bill's like, I'm not going through that predict while
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  Speaker 1: he's got the job.
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  Speaker 4: But if you're forget about the interview part, because I
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  Speaker 4: totally agree that would be inappropriate, first of all, be wrong,
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  Speaker 4: just flat out wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: But if you're Jerry Jones and you just say to Bill, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna make a move, would you be interested, I'm
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  Speaker 4: not going to give you the answer to that until
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  Speaker 4: you make a move like that doesn't make it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, But Jerry doesn't know he's going to make that
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  Speaker 1: amount until.
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  Speaker 4: Like, to me, the amount of obvious excuse making going
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  Speaker 4: around the league for the fact that Bill only has
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  Speaker 4: one team interested in him is really kind of eye opening.
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  Speaker 8: It.
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  Speaker 4: I would have thought that Bill would be one of
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  Speaker 4: those guys that hasn't garnered a lot of goodwill with
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  Speaker 4: the media, But Chef's fallen all over himself Florio's falling
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  Speaker 4: all over himself, but just openly mocking the rest of
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  Speaker 4: the league for not being more interested in Bill Belichick,
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  Speaker 4: seemingly ignoring the fact that he's going to be seventy two.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's the thing.
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  Speaker 4: Of course, It's the thing. If it was ten years ago,
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  Speaker 4: he wouldn't be having this cock talk, right, he would
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  Speaker 4: he would have easily gotten a job.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, That's that's the thing. Is like teams are like,
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  Speaker 1: how long are we going to have them? Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: I think that's what the issue is with Atlanta is
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  Speaker 7: that you know, Rich McKay and uh footnote their their
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  Speaker 7: general manager looking at and they're like, so I'm gonna
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  Speaker 7: give up my power and potentially my job because he
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  Speaker 7: might muscle me out for two years for three years,
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  Speaker 7: Like why you know? That's that's crazy. And and these
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  Speaker 7: teams are are sticking to their guns. And I'm sure
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  Speaker 7: Bill is too, saying I'm not gonna I'm only doing
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  Speaker 7: it if it's this way. I'm I'm not reporting to
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  Speaker 7: some CEO who's never you know, doesn't hold my water,
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  Speaker 7: right Like, I'm gonna report directly to the owner.
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  Speaker 4: And that's it.
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  Speaker 7: And I think that in Atlanta they're they're saying, no,
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  Speaker 7: we have a chain of command. You know, we we
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  Speaker 7: have a setup here.
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  Speaker 4: So, like I said, he may not be coaching this year,
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  Speaker 4: and I think that would be better for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 4: First of all, it's gonna make Patriots fans feel better
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  Speaker 4: to not have to watch them code somewhere else. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that's the emotional part of it. But the practical side
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  Speaker 4: is what Evan talked about. I think that drastically increases
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  Speaker 4: your chances of retaining Steve and keeping that dynamic going
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  Speaker 4: within the Patriots defense.
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  Speaker 8: It'll be interesting for the Falcons. I think obviously Harbaugh
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  Speaker 8: is going to go to the Chargers, but I think,
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  Speaker 8: why do you say.
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  Speaker 1: That, because why not the Falcons.
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  Speaker 8: He's Rabel's also interviewing for the Falcons, so maybe they'll
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  Speaker 8: go with Okay.
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  Speaker 7: Maybe maybe there was like the Falcons want to go
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  Speaker 7: with like Ben Johnson, Mike McDonald, like one of these
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  Speaker 7: young up and comers.
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  Speaker 4: But it is interesting that they had three heavy I mean,
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  Speaker 4: in my opinion, three heavy hitters.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Absolutely, And so I was just looking at it, I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 8: if you couldn't get Bill because he's seventy two or
• 10:44
  Speaker 8: going to be seventy two. What if you get Rabel
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  Speaker 8: who came from his tree, but he's younger, and yeah,
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  Speaker 8: like almost Bill or someone that could be Bill.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, a younger version.
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  Speaker 4: But I kind of agree with to Samara, I think
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  Speaker 4: it seems like the Chargers want Harbor.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with that too, And it makes sense. He's
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  Speaker 1: an offensive minded guy, quarter great for Herbert, you know.
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  Speaker 7: And a good program builder. And that's what could they
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  Speaker 7: kind of need. They need some stability and and some
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  Speaker 7: some foundation being laid. But I just with Bill. It's
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  Speaker 7: not like I don't want to make it sound like
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  Speaker 7: a victory lap, right, but at some.
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  Speaker 4: Respects I have a little of that going on.
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  Speaker 7: He's seventy two years old, he's coming off a four
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  Speaker 7: and thirteen season. The Patriots fell apart or under his
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  Speaker 7: watch over the last three or four years. And good
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  Speaker 7: for the rest of the league, Like, good for the
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  Speaker 7: rest of the league for recognizing that you are hiring
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  Speaker 7: this version of Bill Belichick. You're not hiring the Bill
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  Speaker 7: Belichick from ten years ago, who.
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: Is unless has unless Bill has a story privately about
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: why things went bad. Oh I'm sure he had.
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  Speaker 4: But good on the people that are doing the hiring
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  Speaker 4: to not buy it, Evans.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, the reason why you're hiring Bill Belichick at this point,
• 12:02
  Speaker 7: he's a great coach, But the reason why you're really
• 12:04
  Speaker 7: doing it is because of the publicity, right, because of
• 12:08
  Speaker 7: how much it's going to bring attention to your organization.
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  Speaker 7: And for a team like Atlanta, who's second fiddle in
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  Speaker 7: their own market to a college football team that could
• 12:18
  Speaker 7: bring some of that cachet, some of that sure, bravado,
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  Speaker 7: but everybody else seems to be like, thanks, but no thanks.
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  Speaker 4: And I think it. I understand it. We understand it
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  Speaker 4: more than probably anybody. So Evans, Evan's trying to stay
• 12:33
  Speaker 4: humble even though he's not really being humble. That's my
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  Speaker 4: favorite thing to do. He was right, how's the first
• 12:40
  Speaker 4: round pick coming that the Patriots are going to get
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  Speaker 4: for Belichick?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: I think first a first round pick for him? You
• 12:46
  Speaker 4: can't even get hired right now. And there was like
• 12:48
  Speaker 4: seven jobs, that's true, Like first round pick for a
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  Speaker 4: seventy two year old coach.
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  Speaker 1: I mean there's like what five openings right now as.
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  Speaker 8: We say, yeah, Panthers, Washington, well, the Titans gonna be right, Panthers, Washington, Falcons, Chargers.
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  Speaker 8: I'm missing.
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  Speaker 1: There's one more Commanders, You've got them.
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  Speaker 4: The Buffalo Bills. But anyway, I actually think that he
• 13:15
  Speaker 4: saved himself. But I mean, those those two were the
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  Speaker 4: ones I was watching, Buffalo and Philly, and it looks
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  Speaker 4: like both of them are gonna end up staying.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, those teams might be waiting for Detroit
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  Speaker 1: to get knocked out or their season to end because
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: they want to hire Ben Johnson, you know, so there
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: could be people that are still involved in playoffs that
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: teams are waiting on.
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  Speaker 7: That definitely sounds like the case in Washington. Washington, I
• 13:41
  Speaker 7: think is going to throw a whole lot of money
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  Speaker 7: at Ben Johnson as soon as that.
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  Speaker 9: Or maybe they'll try to make the enemy their head coach.
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  Speaker 4: I think that that's an unfortunate interview that was done
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  Speaker 4: for the wrong reasons.
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  Speaker 1: But Washington, So that's uh, that's the coaching carousel. The games,
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: I thought they were a lot better games than they
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  Speaker 1: were the week before.
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  Speaker 4: Really, yeah, yeah, three and a half great games?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah really?
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  Speaker 4: I mean no, I mean, like the first half of
• 14:09
  Speaker 4: the Buffalo the Baltimore game was was good, and then
• 14:12
  Speaker 4: Baltimore showed you why they're the top seed, but the
• 14:16
  Speaker 4: other the other three games were great wide right, how
• 14:20
  Speaker 4: about that though, But I'm just going by the game
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  Speaker 4: like the game was terrific.
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  Speaker 1: That was part of making it terrific for me.
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  Speaker 4: Oh Like, I think they would have lost either way.
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  Speaker 1: That's probably right because.
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  Speaker 4: They couldn't stop them. Buffleto didn't stop Kansas City all day,
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: Kandsasy didn't stop Buffalo all day. They put they punt
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  Speaker 4: once or twice each. Yeah, I just.
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  Speaker 7: Love the the Monday morning quarterbacking with Josh Allen on
• 14:43
  Speaker 7: the final drive, It's like, if Chris Jones isn't in
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  Speaker 7: his lap, then the second down throws a touchdown, right,
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  Speaker 7: and then we're talking like what are we talking about here?
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  Speaker 4: Because when you are so insanely jealous of other teams
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  Speaker 4: that are actually good, yeah, that's what you resorted to.
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  Speaker 4: Now you watch watch the rip job that Mahomes will
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: get this week because everybody will, like last week it
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: was kind of half and half. I hate Buffalo in
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  Speaker 4: Kansas City equally, this week everybody will be rooting against
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: Kansas City here. I'm talking about here, not nationwide the Swifties,
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  Speaker 4: but here, everybody will be rooting against Mahomes because he's
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: not as good as Tom.
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  Speaker 1: Or we got to keep him from being the goat.
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  Speaker 4: Correct, right, But it's so transparent.
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  Speaker 1: The I'm not transparent about it, You're not. I mean,
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: I'm transparent about it.
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  Speaker 4: If that's what I said, I.
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  Speaker 1: Want you.
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  Speaker 4: But you know the difference between you in most what
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: you don't say that Mahomes sucks. You want to achieve
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  Speaker 4: as much as Tom.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly he won, and I don't want the chance to
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: achieve as much as the Patriots.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the chances are overwhelmingly against that. But it
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  Speaker 4: doesn't mean he's not great. It doesn't mean he's not
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: just as great.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Like fabricating reasons to root against teams.
• 16:03
  Speaker 7: The problem, sure, the problem for Mahomes can't stand is
• 16:08
  Speaker 7: that his two other pillars are going to retire. You know,
• 16:11
  Speaker 7: any Read and Travis Kelcey are not in it for
• 16:13
  Speaker 7: the long call. Travis Kelcey is. Some are saying that
• 16:16
  Speaker 7: he might retire after this year.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just to get married as well as Red.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Talks about it every year, So one of these
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: years he's going to do it.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah, So what happens to Mahomes? All time great player?
• 16:30
  Speaker 7: But what happens to the Chiefs team. So if he
• 16:33
  Speaker 7: if no Kelsey and no Reed.
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: Let's go to Tamara's Eric b enemy for them.
• 16:38
  Speaker 7: If he, yeah, well they but they brought Matt naggy back.
• 16:41
  Speaker 7: I think with the intention of trying to organize a
• 16:45
  Speaker 7: succession plan to Matt Nagy what I would take the
• 16:49
  Speaker 7: enemy over Matt naked. But I'm just saying that that's
• 16:51
  Speaker 7: what it looks like at least, but it certainly does.
• 16:54
  Speaker 7: The enemy going back there as the offensive coordinator again
• 16:57
  Speaker 7: or something like that would would would definitely make a
• 16:59
  Speaker 7: lot of sense.
• 17:00
  Speaker 9: Yeah, or maybe he can come here and be the
• 17:02
  Speaker 9: offensive coordinator.
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: But I do love those those games, and it's kind
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: of stinks for me. It was like the the Rams
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: and Lions game two weeks ago, whereas like I just
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: find myself wanting the team to score every time. I'm
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: like wanting Kansas City and Buffalo to score every time.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: I just want I want to I wanted to watch
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: those two guys like just continue to make play after
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: play after play, Like.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: That one play, that one throw that Diggs didn't come up.
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: With its seventy yards in the air, Like right, That's
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: what I said to Deuce. I said, who do you
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: think is happier right now? You for digs dropping that
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: bomb or Evan because prety poop just pants almost almost.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: He rescued it though when the game was on the
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: line he did he was he was balls good job
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: by Kyle.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Off All.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: See.
• 17:52
  Speaker 7: That's like the beauty of the of the argument though,
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: is that I can be right either way because if
• 17:56
  Speaker 7: party plays.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: Well and he's learning something from you set yourself up
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: to be right either way. That's the way it works. Great,
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: great last.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: And Jordan love. You know, he's getting close into a
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: pump and still needs, you know, a little bit more.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I like that.
• 18:12
  Speaker 8: I like the way he turned his season around though,
• 18:14
  Speaker 8: Like I feel like at the beginning of season everyone
• 18:16
  Speaker 8: was like, oh my god, it's horrible, what do they do?
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: But then he I think he's got a break.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: So of one of two things happens to Green Bay
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: next year, either they go like thirteen and four and
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: are in line for the number one seed, or they
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: don't make.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: The playoffs boom or bust.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: The way that people are talking about them is like,
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: do you see this young talent Evan? And they are like,
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: I'm impressed with them. They they built it the right way.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: Well Felger, I mean the Felger thing, because the only
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: way to do it transparent is drafting a quarterback late
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: in the first round and letting him sit for five
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: years is the only way to do right, right, right,
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: Let's just you know, that's the only way to build
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: a team. But they are very impressive with their young
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: talent and how they've come on. And Tomara is right.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: They were left for dead in the middle of the
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: season and they they got up off the mat and
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: they and they bounced back and it was No. Those
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: two games were not Flukes.
• 19:08
  Speaker 7: No, he was probably one of the best quarterbacks in
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: the league the last like six or seven weeks of
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: the season until that final drive, you know, fourth quarter basically.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: But that's that's the funny thing is Love played so
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: much better than perty in that game. But one guy
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: was great when the game was on the line, and
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: the other guy sucked when the game was on the line.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we didn't talk about the offensive coordinator candidates that
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: the Patriots have interviewed to get to that, wait, which
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: I knew. No, I'm just it's it connects, which I
• 19:36
  Speaker 7: do really like the list of guys that they have
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: in here.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: But you just look at the field.
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: Just get me the khaki wearing you know, tight pants.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Like there was a bad guy, the Tampa guy I
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: never even heard of. And I'm like even.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Shanahan Tree guys already or something like that.
• 19:59
  Speaker 7: Three Ay McVeigh, tree guys on the same thing.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: Patriots.
• 20:04
  Speaker 7: I don't know about Nick Keayley, Like who you you know,
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: he's more of a Patriot guy, right, But Zach Robinson
• 20:09
  Speaker 7: would be Zach Robinson, Dan Pictuer uh Nick Keyley obviously
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: spent last year with with the Rams, in eight years
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: with the Patriots, but he's a he's.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: One of them. He's one of them now, no, he
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: but he's he looks like one of them.
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: Like I'm telling you, like, he's the type of guy
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: that you want coach Ben Johnson, Matt Lafleur, Kyle Shanahan,
• 20:30
  Speaker 7: Dan Kanalis in Tampa, Like these are the.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Like I wasn't can and then they showed him in
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: the first drive the game. I'm like, Jesus, he's not.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: He's going to be a head coach out of the
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: next in the next year or two.
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely that that's that's the group like those are
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: the guys that are left standing or were even in
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: the divisional routes like left standing.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: Get me one of those guys, please.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Shane Waldron might get a he got already already for him.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: Now he's another one out of that tree.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Yea. He worked here though, No, yeah he did.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: He also worked at local high school football.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: Bos he went to school with Andy.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: He went to school, but he coached it.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he coached I was talking.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: About his Yeah, he went to Toughs.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: He went to Toughs after Andy. Yeah, I think Robinson,
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: I'm really intrigued by for the obvious reasons that Evan
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: talked about. With the connections I want with so we
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: got we got yeah, well yeah, the tight close Yes,
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: handsome gentlemen. We were getting a lot of spfws Fred
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: that are sort of, you know, asking why all of
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: a sudden we're changing because a couple of years ago
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: we weren't looking to change the offense. We were critical
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: of the you know, zone schemes in the running game,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: and I think people have misunderstood the criticisms were not
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: levied at the changes of the offense. It was levied
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: toward the fact that defensive guys with no base knowledge
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: of the changes were trying to implement them.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: And plus they might have been putting a square peg
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: in a round hole with Mac Jones.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but that wasn't my concern. My concern mostly now, Look,
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: if you want to have Mac Jones running around throwing
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: bombs everywhere, yes, you're putting a square peg in around hole.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: That's not his game. But my problem was when I
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: started to hear the players complaining about the fact that
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: they didn't have answers about the offense. It's that they
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: were trying to implement. Yeah, and you know, so to
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: go out and get a Zach Robinson or if it's
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: Kaylee or this pitcher guy who I'm not as familiar with,
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: is the other two they I'm going to assume they
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: know the offense they're going to be bringing. It's not
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: Matt Patricia and Joe Judge trying to put it in.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: So I have a question though, because you have the
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: third pick, let's assume that they're going to take a quarterback.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Can you with with the three guys that are going
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: to be there, It's it's Caleb Williams, it's Drake may Or,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: it's it's Jalen Jayden, James J. Daniels. Is it interchangeable
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: in terms of I already know what kind of offense
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I have, I can put either one of those three
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: guys in, or do I have to wait to see
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: which guy I have before I start thinking about my
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: offensive philosophy.
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: I would say that if they are gonna take one
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: of these McVeigh guys, they should be doing everything in
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: their power to get Drake May on this football team.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: It's not even remotely close.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: So, but I didn't look at it that deep. I'm
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: assuming that any one of these good coordinators can work
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: with any one of these quarterbacks. It's just a matter
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: of how they're gonna work with them.
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: If they're gonna install the McVeigh system. Though, if that's
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: the base of the system, then Drake May is by
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: far the best fit for that type of suce. Why
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: because of the way he throws into the middle of
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: the field. This is an offense that is predicated on
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: in breaking routes. Right, Everything is breaking into the middle
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: of the field. And on top of that, you also
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: want to have a quarterback that can throw on the
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: move because you want to run bootleg.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: But that sounds like all of them, Well, maybe not Daniels.
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: But we're talking about not talking about like improvising on
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: the move. We're talking about throwing on bootleg actions and
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: structure on the move. And you have to have that
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: ability to not only be able to throw accurately on
• 24:12
  Speaker 7: the move, but also be able to throw far accurately.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: On the move.
• 24:16
  Speaker 7: So you started talking about guys like that in this draft.
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: You know, Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels. They don't see the
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: middle of the field as well, they don't manipulate the
• 24:24
  Speaker 7: middle of the field as well. Drake May is a
• 24:27
  Speaker 7: carbon copy of a Matthew Stafford type of cars.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: So when Girodmeo sits down with Steve Burton last week
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: and says that basically, we're gonna be picking a quarterback,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: We're gonna be picking an important player at the most
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: important position, do you think that that means he loves
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: all three of them and he'll be happy with any
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: of those three or they have a certain quarterback other
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: than Caleb Williams, so they probably won't have a shot
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: at that they're gonna get And if you know, if
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Drake May is that too, they're going to trade up
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: to get Drake may because that's the guy that they
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: really want.
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: I think it depends if when you get these guys
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: in for the interviews, especially the in person interviews, when
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: you get them up on the whiteboards and stuff like that,
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: what's your plan with Jaden Daniels? Because he's a unique talent.
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: It's it's a different type of quarterback. He's not going
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: to come in here and you know, hit the top
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: of the drop, get the ball out over the middle
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: on time, accurately with zip like that's just not his game.
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: So if that if that's your offense, if you're hiring
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: Zach Robinson and he's coming from the McVeigh tree, and
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: that's the basis of your offense, well what if we
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: have to draft Jaden Daniels? How are you going to
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: adapt that off.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: But that's kind of like going to say, like unless
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Gerrod is head coach, Gerard Mayo is blowing smoke, how
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: can he be so certain that he's going to be
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: picking a quarterback at three.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm going to give him a little bit
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: of a mulligan, so he got maybe a little bit
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: over his skis No, I'm serious, right, Like I think
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: that they're excited. Well, I think that he My big
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: takeaway from you know, we're not even a full week
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: into the Mayo regime yet my big takeaway is he
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: is so intent on letting everybody know that he is
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: not Bill Belichick, that he's going too far a little bit,
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: you know, we can talk about a little bit about
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: his follow up interview he had yesterday with with the EI,
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: where he's talking about, Oh, we got cash to burn,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: we're gonna be, We're gonna be spending money. We're gonna
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: be you know, like, I don't think that if he
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: probably went home later, yeah, I probably didn't need to
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: say that, you know what I mean. I think he's
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: just so intent on letting everybody know it's gonna be different.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna talk to you guys.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Or is he crazy like a fox and he's saying, yeah,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: we're gonna be, you know, spending money, and then they
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: end up not spending money, and it's like, well, they
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: didn't let him spend money. He wanted to. He said
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: he wanted to, and they didn't let him.
• 26:54
  Speaker 7: I don't know, I feel like it's more like Red
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: Sox full throttle than anything. And that's what I'm concerned
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: about is that people going back to these interviews in
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: January come March and saying, you guys said you were
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: gonna spend money, and now T Higgins is a wherever
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: you know, and he's not a New England Patriot? What
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: the hell happened? Like that's the way I.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Look at Harrison? Oh god, oh god.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: I we can talk about that. Some of it.
• 27:20
  Speaker 9: I do feel like off topic. Okay, Evan, how would.
• 27:25
  Speaker 8: You feel if so if they drafted Marvin Harrison but
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: they got a good veteran quarterback.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Like like who Baker Mayfield?
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: He's not leaving?
• 27:33
  Speaker 9: I mean, like a Cayler Murray or like a Justin Field.
• 27:35
  Speaker 8: I know you probably want Murray overfields, but what if
• 27:39
  Speaker 8: you were able to get one of those guys, but
• 27:40
  Speaker 8: you also got Marvin Harrison.
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: I just it's building backwards to me. And like the
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: Law the quicker that we realize that the good teams
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: that are currently standing in the NFL playoffs are built
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: inside out, the faster the Patriots will get back to contention,
• 27:56
  Speaker 7: And like drafting the receiver asked the Laws how Calvin
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: Johnson's career worked out for them? Like Hall of fame player,
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: first ballot everything. They won nothing with him because they
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: had nothing around him. You know, even when Stafford got there,
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: they still had Wards. And that that's the way I
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: look at it. You have to look at this as
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: a multi year rebuild. The receiver will come, it will happen.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: But I I you got to be careful though, when
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: you take a situation like Detroit with Calvin Johnson and
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: use that and you know, brush with a broad stroke,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: you know, because that doesn't you know, just because Detroit
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: took Calvin Johnson doesn't mean they did everything else right. Yeah,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: you know, they could have screwed it up, so another
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: GM in Detroit they could have had Calvin Johnson and
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: then built it up correctly.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: No, I mean, obviously there's a chance to do that everywhere,
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: and it's all about whether how many guys that you
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: pick right right, Like everybody wants to use the San
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: Francisco model without recognizing how difficult that.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Was and how lucky they got.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you want to call it lusk whatever.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: I'm not just gonna say that all these guys they
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: picked that were good were lucky.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I'm talking with Rock Purdy one night.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: Oh no, it doesn't have anything to do with Brock
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: Purdy that Like, this is Evans's kind of point that
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: you could they're so good that it's quarterback proof. Yeah, okay,
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: but people don't recognize how hard it is to hit
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: literally on a dozen draft picks, like not like but
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: I can do it, not like hit like Keon White.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Hit.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about hit like I have a borderline Pro
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: Bowl All Pro at like literally a dozen spots that
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: I drafted, Like that's so hard.
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: But I can hear either argument, Like, it's not just
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: about the quarterback proof thing. To me, if you want
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: to make the argument that they should be taking the quarterback,
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: then fine. If you want to make the argument that
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: they should be taking Joe Alt, I also couldn't get
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: behind that as well. I can't get behind Marvin Harrison.
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: I just don't see how that gets you anywhere. Like
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: you're gonna have a quarterback that can't throw the ball,
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: that isn't protected, throwing to a receiver down the field
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: who's wide open. Great, and then what happened in between?
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: You know, and you look across the this final four
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: right now, every single one of them are built in
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: the trenches. They all are they all have great offensive lines,
• 30:10
  Speaker 7: they all have great systems around that. It's not there's
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: not a single team in the NFL this year who's
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: been worth anything that's had a really crappy offensive line.
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: It's been a really good year for Trench at play.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think that if you put
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: your mind to it, or if you're smart about it,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: you can build up that offensive line without having to
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: take a guy on the top ten.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: That's my argument. I don't think you can. I don't
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: think you can be terrible on the by Who's going
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: to build that up?
• 30:37
  Speaker 10: Who's going to coach him? Well, that's well, that's not
• 30:40
  Speaker 10: part of it. You've got to have a good coach
• 30:43
  Speaker 10: point de Trot, like Detroit was. You know, I kind
• 30:49
  Speaker 10: of understand Fred's point about Calvin Johnson, like.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: They don't have to be terrible everywhere else on the
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: team to be terrible coaching him. Right, you can make that, Jeff,
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: You know, they can make that argument for Joe Thomas.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: You know, I like to bring my my my notes, right,
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: I got I got notes. We can we'll talk about
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: this later and stuff. But absolutely I agree. But I
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: just feel like that the line needs to be fixed.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: Evan's point is like not arguable, Like they can't go
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: into another year with what they did up front last year.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: I would argue that other teams lost a lot of
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: person Like Kansas City's tackles are not very good, but
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: it's a pretty good offensive line. They're really good in.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: The middle and probably well coached.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: And they also have the best quarterback in football who
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: covers for a lot. You know, the inefficiencies. I mean,
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: one of the biggest players in the game on Sunday
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: was that play where the two Bills go. It wasn't
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: a blitz. They disguised it perfectly. McDermott dialed it up
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: absolutely perfectly and had two guys coming, other guys dropping,
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: and my homes just ran right by the two guys
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: you know that one name. They climbed the pocket and
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: ran right by the two guys that went unblocked.
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Field, So you have a quarterback that can do that, right,
• 32:10
  Speaker 7: I hear that argument too. I just look at the
• 32:13
  Speaker 7: final four is the perfect example this year. All of
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: them are well built on the line, well coached on
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: the line. Across the board. You know, Kansas City had
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: one of the best offensive lines in football. This year,
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: Detroit has one of the best offensive Detroit.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: San Francisco's I think stinks except for Trent Williams.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: You see the difference.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: But he's tremendous.
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: He's tremendous, and they have a really good scheme that
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: that's able to work around it. That's part of the
• 32:42
  Speaker 7: allure of this Shanahan tree is that they do make
• 32:45
  Speaker 7: life easier on the line because they move the pocket
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: so much. But like all these different things, do you
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: think Detroit is regretting taking Penny Steel.
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: No, but I can give you a lot of other
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: teams that are regretting taking tackles in the top.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: But I think there's a lot of ways to do it.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: And as long as most of the stuff you do
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: is right, you can be okay, you know, yeah.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: And that's why Evan's right, Like you you have to
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: figure out a way to pick players that are going
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: to help you. Now, I would probably be in the
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: middle of you two with Marvin Harrison and the tackles.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: If it works, if you hit, then you just got
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: to hit the net. Like I don't think there's anything
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: wrong with taking Matt Light in the second round, you know,
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: Like it doesn't have to be Joe Alt at three
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: if but you can make a strong argument either way,
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: and I'll play Evans argument. There's a lot of really
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: good wide receivers that were taken third, fourth, fifth wide
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: receiver in the draft, just like there's a lot of
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: good tackles that would take in And I do have
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: the information the quarterbacks, I have my notes. I would
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: still go quarterbacks.
• 33:47
  Speaker 7: I'm not like say like this is an argument of
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: would you take the tackle or would you take Marvin
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: Harrison Gay And that.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: To me is the big difference because I have the
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: third quarterback taken in the last ten drafts, the third
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: tackle taken in the last ten drafts, third wide receiver.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: By far and away, the better players are wide receivers
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: and tackles than the third quarterback. So if you want
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: to wait on a position that one ain't, ain't it
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: like if you I mean, if you can get it,
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: If you can get Drake May and that's the second quarterback,
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: I'm a reckon move. But if you get stuck with
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: the third one and then you decide you want to go,
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: you know what, I'm not gonna take it. I'm gonna
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: get bo Nicks in the second round. That's probably not
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: gonna work.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but but you mentioned you said if you get stuck.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: If I feel like I'm stuck and I gotta take
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: a quarterback, I wouldn't take them. No.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: And that's where I like, I've been big they got
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: to get a quarterback in this draft. I've been big
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: on that. But if if it works that you don't
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: think as much of Jayden Daniels as you do may
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: and Williams, I think you have to take a tackle.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Or or or there's a guy later that you think
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: is just as good as Jayden Daniels And then wait.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: I just you know, I'm just gonna tell you that
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: guy's not going to be as good either. I just
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: need to see.
• 35:01
  Speaker 7: This is probably a better conversation to have, like in April,
• 35:05
  Speaker 7: in the lead up into the draft, because if they
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: if they have a really strong coaching staff and they
• 35:11
  Speaker 7: have a good free agency and they're plugging. But the
• 35:14
  Speaker 7: problem is is that if you look at the offensive
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: lineman available and free agency, Mike on Win, who is
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: the best one. So you're going you're making the lateral
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: move even by bringing him back, you're not adding to anything.
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: The second best tackle is like Tyron Smith, who's one
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: hundred years old. Trent Brown is probably the third best
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: tackle available.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: On the market.
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: Because these guys don't come available. There's not enough of them.
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: So if you have a good one, you're not letting
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: the good ones come available.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: And that's what their approach last year. So curious. Yes,
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: they had some options. They had some options last year
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: with guys who quote don't come available, like Orlando Brown. Yeah,
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: that they could have made a run in run at you.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: They chose not to the.
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: Last couple of years, the draft especially, but also last
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: year's free agency class with tackles, they just punted that
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: spot down the road consists instantly.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: They started with Joe Toney. They screwed up and they
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: haven't recovered since all right eight.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: So fred I thought back to the Drake may thing,
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: you know when when that was Evans pick for the
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: guy who most translates to that system, that ram system.
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: Did you see you know, did you watch much of
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: the Tampa game, the Lions in Tampa, like Jared Goff
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: tore Tampa apart. In between the numbers, the whole game,
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: everything was everything was down the middle, between the hashes,
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: between the numbers. That's that's that's where he comes from. Like,
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: I'm sure that Ben Johnson is calling a game with
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: the strengths of his quarterback in mind, you know, like
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: that's I mean, Gough was pretty good in that game.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: I'll be curious to see how he plays outdoors because
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: he hasn't got away with a couple he hasn't played
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: Uh well, yeah, the one in the end zone to
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: Dean was a flat drop. He's got to catch that.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: That was just a bad, bad, bad drop.
• 36:54
  Speaker 7: He's one of the best passers in the league when
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: he kept clean, and luckily they keep him clean a lot.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: So, you know, a tough task with San Francisco, but
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: I just watching the way they approached it as Evan
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: was talking about what may does, Well, that's what I
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: was thinking, is the ram system that's Stafford Now it
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: was GoF then that's what they do, and.
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: It's it's not only is it being able to drive
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: the ball through the middle of the field, Like that's
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: a big part of it because you're throwing into these
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: tighter windows. Like Matthew Stafford made a throw to Pukua
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: Nakua in a wildcard round talk that was like a
• 37:30
  Speaker 7: twenty yard dig route that he'd fit between two defenders
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: and that in that system, that's the read like, that's
• 37:36
  Speaker 7: the throw that you have to be able to make
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: to make that system work. And you also have to
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: be able to manipulate openings into the second and third
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: levels between the numbers by looking guys off and moving
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: coverage or Stafford likes to do the no look passes
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: like those types of things. If you can't control the
• 37:52
  Speaker 7: middle of the field as the quarterback in that system,
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: it's really difficult to do. So if they adapt it,
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: you know, it's all all of it is condensed formations.
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: Middle of the field, three receiver like, that's what they play.
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: And if you are gonna draft Jayden Daniels, you want
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: him in a spread. You want the field wide open,
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: everybody spread out, and that way there he's it's simplifying
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: to read, and it's also allowing him to use his
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: legs when he needs to. If you're asking him to
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: just sit there and dice you up in the middle
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: of the field, that's not.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: The guy I'd feel a lot better with if everyone
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: was making the pick. If with Mayo saying we're definitely
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: picking a quarterback. If I knew who our offensive coordinator
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: was you know.
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: But looking at all the interplace, this is, you know,
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: all three of those guys are connected to McVeigh in
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: some way shape.
• 38:36
  Speaker 8: How hard is it going to be. How hard will
• 38:37
  Speaker 8: it be to trade up to get Drake May?
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Well, if you're going from three to two, I mean
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: you could you could swing that.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: It's all dependent on Chicago and Arizona. If you stay
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: with Fields and Murray, then you can trade up.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: But if they both, if they want Williams and may
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: you're not right. If that's not there's nothing you're gonna give,
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: really that's going to do that. The other thing that
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: really stood out to me over the weekend was just
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: how many throws were made by guys that I said
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: to myself, mackin Zaby can't make Oh absolutely not. Like
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: they can't move and make that throw from that arm
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: angle or from that's the game. That platform, that footwork,
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: that's the game.
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: Now, Like you have to be able to throw from
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: a muddied pocket without your feet set. If you can't
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: drive the ball without having a perfect you know, feet set,
• 39:27
  Speaker 7: step into it and throw then there, that's just not
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: gonna happen. The pass rush is too good now they're
• 39:33
  Speaker 7: too good at disguising the rush. There's too many good
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: edge rushers coming up the you know, around the corners
• 39:39
  Speaker 7: on you and stuff like that.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: And it wasn't just that. It wasn't just Mahomes and
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: Allen either like your guy let Bake or Bake who
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: didn't have a great game, but he made some unbelievably
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: ridiculously good throw this.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he just screwed up at the end. All right, Well,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I miss rooting for the other team.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: He missed some throws in the game, but he but
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: I thought he gave his team a chance to win.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: If I would Tampa, I'd be take another run with him. Yeah,
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: I would say, you know it works. They liked him.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: I think you have a chance to get Mike Evans back.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah I would. I would roll it. I would roll
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: it back. It's a bad division that you probably would
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: be favorite to win again.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: All right, eight five five past five hundred is the
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: ace ticket hutline web radio at patries dot com is
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: the email address. Let's see what you have to say.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Dan's in New Jersey. What's up Dan?
• 40:32
  Speaker 8: Hi?
• 40:32
  Speaker 11: Everyone? So, as we you know, were waiting on Bill
• 40:36
  Speaker 11: to see if he gets a bite, I have a hypothetical,
• 40:40
  Speaker 11: just cheered me out. But also in a side, Today's
• 40:44
  Speaker 11: the nineteenth anniversary of the NFC Championship game against the Steelers,
• 40:50
  Speaker 11: and in my news feed I get a clip. It
• 40:53
  Speaker 11: seems like every day just a reminder of just how
• 40:55
  Speaker 11: good we had it for so long. And in this
• 40:57
  Speaker 11: particular clip, it's Harrison intercepting, you know, Ben Roethlisberger taking
• 41:03
  Speaker 11: to the house. Right, the game is twenty four to three,
• 41:06
  Speaker 11: it's almost half, and then they cut to Bill and
• 41:09
  Speaker 11: he's chewing out some poor offensive lineman. I think I
• 41:12
  Speaker 11: may have been Keith Trailer or something. But you know,
• 41:16
  Speaker 11: here's the this is probably crazy, and you know, and
• 41:19
  Speaker 11: and as fans, you know, we tend to think about,
• 41:22
  Speaker 11: you know, a player's legacy more than the principles involved.
• 41:27
  Speaker 11: But hear me out. Do you think there was ever
• 41:29
  Speaker 11: a chance that Bill and Tom would have gone out
• 41:32
  Speaker 11: together or you know, obviously they're two big egos, and
• 41:36
  Speaker 11: obviously neither one was done five years ago, But do
• 41:39
  Speaker 11: you think if kraft Is sat him down and said, listen,
• 41:42
  Speaker 11: give me one year, can you go out together?
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: You know the.
• 41:45
  Speaker 11: Greatest coach player relationships, he could play it up like this.
• 41:50
  Speaker 11: You know, the fan base will eat this up.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: But yeah, but I think both of them wanted to think. Yeah,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I think both of them wanted one more year. I
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: didn't they you know, they don't want to be told
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: you can only go one more year and go. You know,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: it'd be great if he went out together.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: And I don't think they could be told that.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Tom wanted more money as a sign of respect
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: and not just want money. He wanted, yeah, you want
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: to be wanted and to show that. He wanted a
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: longer term contract for market money. And Bill wasn't gonna
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: give him, and Robert sided.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: With Bill, and you weren't gonna be able to tell
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: Bill and Tom you need to do this like they
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: had to want to do it. And I don't think
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: Bill wanted Tom back, and because of that, I don't
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: think Tom wanted to be bad.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Sentimentality wasn't gonna make it out and Thankstan. And you know,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: if there's anyone that could convince somebody to do it's Robert.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: He's a master negotiator and diplomat, but not in this case.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: He couldn't do it.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: In this case.
• 42:50
  Speaker 7: I wonder, in hindsight, if they would have rather have
• 42:54
  Speaker 7: treated twenty eighteen as the last dance, like you're right
• 42:57
  Speaker 7: off into the sunset.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: I still say, I still say Brady might have retired
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: after that Eagle Super Bowl if they had won it.
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: I'm not necessarily saying retired. I just wonder if maybe
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: that would have been a better split than hanging on
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: for the extra year in twenty nineteen.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: So just out of curiosity, And I'm not saying you're wrong,
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: because who knows. We don't know. If they had won
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: in seventeen, he would have retired. But he comes back
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: for eighteen and they do winep and he didn't retire.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: No, because then it was different. I think what happened
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Giselle is part of this. There's a lot of factors
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: that his mind, even over twelve months, completely kind of shifted.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: But I think after the seventeenth season going into eighteen,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: I think in his mind, you know, for the sake
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: of his marriage and everything else that was going on,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: this would be good. I can quit if we win.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: But for the sake of his marriage, he decided I
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: gotta come back.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: And then and that screwed up. Giselle was like, you
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: know what, I'm.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: Done, But that was a long time after that that
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: he was Yeah, I thought she was.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: I just think that I have a feeling that.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: He would have been frames not really on here, you know.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: He would have been okay if I'm.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: Not telling you, you're wrong. I don't know what was
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: in just the sence I have.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: And then afterwards, like you know, like he won two
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: others after that, Yeah, I know, but oh I know that,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: and I think he kind of in his mind he
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: got re energized again.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: But that's when he went to Tampa.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the chip got back on his shoulder.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: You know, Like I would have said, if he was
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: going to retire after seventeen, right, if they won, why
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: wouldn't you have retired after eighteen? Do the even thing
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: like treated as the last dance. Instead, he came back
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: from nineteen here. I know this was before re energized.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: So I know here he came back for nineteen and
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: he was.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: The most miserable eight and no quarterback. Yeah.
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: Now maybe he wishes he retired after the eighteenth. Yeah,
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: because of the way he pouted through the nineteen Yeah.
• 44:51
  Speaker 7: The nineteen season was a waste of all of our times,
• 44:54
  Speaker 7: Like he wasn't happy, he didn't play well.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: You know what else it was, It was the dawn
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: of the Deuce era. Yeah, we haven't had any we
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: haven't had a nice thing since.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: That's part of it. That's part of it. Let's go
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: to uh Eldred in North Carolina? What's up? Aldred?
• 45:11
  Speaker 12: Hey?
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: Hey, let's tell y'all doing all right?
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: Well, say hi to Samara first and individual to get
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: you yet.
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: But I got a question. But uh, excuse me, Fred
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: heard something skipped Bayless. Uh, y'all was talking about Robert
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: and Bill a few minutes ago, right, yeah, okay, according
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: to Bayless, because he was hoping the Harbor go to
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: Chicago San Diego and he said, hope Bill didn't get
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: it and said him and Robert had a fall out
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: after the nineteenth when he told Robert that Bill that
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: Tom was done and he wanted to move on and
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: he went and did it then he then he said,
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: Robert said, didn't he go win the efton Super Bowl?
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: That you know there was cold for for a couple
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: of years. Yeah, they've been like not speaking. Is that
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: It was part of seth Wickersham don Van not Yeah,
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know. S P. N I could hear Roberts
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: saying that, you know, I could, you know, and then
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: he goes and wins the Super Bowl and I could,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: I could, But I don't know if that's true or not.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know going to.
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: A different But other than that, I'm just uh, I'm
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: not gad about it. Is just waiting to see.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and what are we waiting to see? Yeah?
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: Everybody? Everybody? He won't great, great May and Caleb Williams.
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: Like I said before, Caleb just came out saying he
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: don't want to If New England drafted me, ain't gonna play.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: And he also said he wasn't coming out of school.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: How'd that work?
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: He came out of too, But think would do that?
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know he'd play for the You know,
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: I will make a prediction that he'll play for the
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: team that drafts him. That'll be That'll be my prediction. Now,
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: there's a couple of examples where that didn't happen. Right,
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: Elway and Eli Manning both did this and did that
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: and didn't play for the Chief.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: What happened?
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: What happened to Biggie?
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Yep? He wants to listen Melvin's and Tennessee. Hey, Melvin,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: I like going back and forth with Biggie.
• 47:07
  Speaker 13: He's hey, hey, I got a quick thing, I guess.
• 47:12
  Speaker 13: But with new coaches and you know, Gerard and a
• 47:15
  Speaker 13: lot of those plays, I've only been coaching for five years, right,
• 47:18
  Speaker 13: So with that, like short stance, I've always wondered, like,
• 47:22
  Speaker 13: what is I guess feel done within these last couple
• 47:26
  Speaker 13: of years to kind of prepare, evaluate, give different roles?
• 47:31
  Speaker 13: Like what do you do with those type of young coaches.
• 47:34
  Speaker 13: Let's say he's coming in. He's good at one thing, obviously,
• 47:37
  Speaker 13: but how do you develop them? Do you put them
• 47:40
  Speaker 13: in different roles? Do you give them practice things like
• 47:43
  Speaker 13: the scrimmages and like maybe preseason games, but how.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Do you kind of well, didn't we hear about develop them? Yeah,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: didn't we hear about Gerard getting involved in other facets?
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Like I think he might have gone on some scouting
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: trips or some tryouts. He might have been involved and
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: maybe some negotiations at some point. So I think he
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: did get exposed to other parts of the team from
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: a scouting and business standpoint.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he was.
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: He was in the offensive coordinator interviews last year. Yeah,
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: and the offensive line coach some of those interviews as
• 48:15
  Speaker 7: well worked out guys privately in the draft. Christian Zales
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: went out to Oregon and had a visit with Christian
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: Goanzalees out in Oregon before the draft, so he was
• 48:25
  Speaker 7: more involved in the scouting person, you know, CEO type
• 48:29
  Speaker 7: of thing.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Do you think that was Bill saying, Hey, Gerard, come
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: and come on and do this, or do you think
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: it was Robert Craft saying I want girod to get
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: involved in this.
• 48:37
  Speaker 7: Well he did it, at least reportedly did it with
• 48:40
  Speaker 7: Josh McDaniels, and that was the whole thing. And McDaniels
• 48:43
  Speaker 7: came back with the Colts was I will open my
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: world to you and show you how it's done right,
• 48:47
  Speaker 7: you know sort of thing, And I think was sort
• 48:50
  Speaker 7: of the handshake agreement with Gerard as well.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: Okay, but I think my answer would be Robert for
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: both of those. Yeah, McDaniels, and I think that was
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: something that Robert went to Bill and said.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: We need a succession plan to do this. We need
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: to start thinking about the future, and we need to
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: start exposing these people. You can't keep everything here, Bill,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: we need to start getting other people exposed to these things.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: Maybe just that's I mean, not a fact.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Just guessing. Uh, Tyler's in Virginia beach a Tyler.
• 49:25
  Speaker 12: My opinion is, you know, we need to go after
• 49:27
  Speaker 12: more offensive lineman and check up our defense because we
• 49:31
  Speaker 12: don't need another quarterback. Because you know, after watching last
• 49:34
  Speaker 12: season with this with a sophomore year, I feel like
• 49:37
  Speaker 12: Bailey's Appy's our guy?
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Are you kidding us? Is this a put on? Is
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: this a work?
• 49:47
  Speaker 8: And?
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah he's kidding. Yeah, yeah, you're kidding. Okay, thanks Tyler.
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: He waited a while for that.
• 49:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, the Traceman solely put it over the top. There
• 49:58
  Speaker 7: are people out there that are still somehow pro one
• 50:01
  Speaker 7: of these guys that is currently on the team.
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: I don't know how, but they are.
• 50:04
  Speaker 8: If you wanted to call and say, like Mollie Cunningham,
• 50:07
  Speaker 8: I wish you would have seen more of him.
• 50:09
  Speaker 9: Maybe, but like.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Trace, yeah, speaking to Mac, your guy Greg Bagard causing
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of trouble.
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: I wanted to I wanted to get into that, like, yeah,
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: so I forget about Baard for a second. How can
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: I know we'll get back to him. You can, you
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: can give you can give those the details of what
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: he said, I can't read his stuff anymore, so you
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: can fill me in. You can't stomach it, or you
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: don't have to. You don't have the path the stuff.
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: The credentials that Stacy gave us don't work for that
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: site for me. All the other sites they were stop
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: paying Greg Oh.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, the clips that they send there on like our
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: PR department sends morning clips and it's all just to
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: you know, they've gathered all the headlines about the Patriots
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: and they put him in one condensed form. But if
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: if it's a paywall, you can't read it.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: But he gives he does give credentials to log into
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: those he does and they work for everything else. It
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: just doesn't work when I try to do it for BSJ.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Can we just like cut and paste them?
• 51:14
  Speaker 7: So complaining about somebody else making this very easy on
• 51:19
  Speaker 7: the mac Jones.
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: The mac Jones thing bugged me because there were five
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: players that were at Gerard Mao's introductory press conference, and
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: he was one of them, and suddenly that became might
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: he be back next year? Like that was that was
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: one of your guys.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Though.
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: We jumped through hoops to find some long road to
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: Grandma's house. Every single time, and I don't really understand it.
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: The fact that he was present at the press conference
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: is telling you that they think that he could be
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: back next year. Let's start.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: That's not what I'm talking about.
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: No, No, you're talking about a counteraction to that report that
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: those reports, which you can go ahead, Well.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: No, your guy and I didn't read it either. So
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: if I'm not getting this one hundred percent right, I apologize.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: But he had a source being a player saying what's
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: he doing there? He's you know, his locker has been
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: cleaned out and he comes in workout stuff like he's
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: been here.
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: Called him out for being fraudulent and said there's not
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: even a hanger in his locker and that I saw
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: her on Twitter, the hanger and the locker thing I
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: saw on Twitter. Fam laugh.
• 52:26
  Speaker 8: It was weird to seeing him there, like the the Bentley's,
• 52:29
  Speaker 8: the John Jones is Devin mccordy's like that.
• 52:32
  Speaker 9: That wasn't weird to me see mac Jones there.
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: That was strung. I don't I don't mind that he
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: was there.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Just to me, he's under contract, this.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: Friend, I'm with you a thousand percent.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't he Why.
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: Does it mean that he's he's he should start next year, right,
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: he can't like I don't understand. But he's on the team,
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: and he went to the press conference of his new coach.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: I get it. Even the people that are detractors have
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: to admit that he's a workout warrior.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: He I think think these detractors would say he's not.
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: But Bill, he did not look like a warrior, said
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: press conference.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Then early, he's he's out late, he puts in the work.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Everyone says that. I've never heard. I've never heard anyone say, oh,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: he doesn't. He's not. He doesn't put in the effort,
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: you know. So I can absolutely see him being here.
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: I'm with her. I'm with Greg's source on this, Okay,
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: I am I just like.
• 53:25
  Speaker 7: I don't feel as though Mac. I think Mac does
• 53:29
  Speaker 7: this type of stuff as politics.
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: That's how I feel.
• 53:32
  Speaker 7: I think he does this kind of stuff because he
• 53:35
  Speaker 7: knows it's gonna look good in the owner here. The
• 53:37
  Speaker 7: owner already likes, has a soft spot for him. We
• 53:40
  Speaker 7: know that, and and he's gonna see him. It's not
• 53:43
  Speaker 7: a mistake that the guys that were there. I don't
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: think that Jonathan Jones and Jwan Bentley just showed up
• 53:51
  Speaker 7: because they felt like it.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: What do you mean you think they were asked to
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: be there?
• 53:56
  Speaker 7: Yes, okay, because those are two guys that are very
• 54:00
  Speaker 7: representative of the organization to stand up guys once an
• 54:04
  Speaker 7: actual captain and Jonathan Jones might as well.
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: Be a captain Man of the Year kind of guys.
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: And both of them had scrumps afterwards and talked to
• 54:13
  Speaker 7: the media about Girod, which I.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Thought was odd, okay and interesting unless they were no
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: no asked, hey, can you represent players up there? Yeah,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: now I could see that being.
• 54:29
  Speaker 7: And then and then Mac comes in and I agree,
• 54:33
  Speaker 7: like and then some of the other people on the beat,
• 54:35
  Speaker 7: who maybe they've talked to people I don't know, have
• 54:38
  Speaker 7: squashed this and said that this is what he does.
• 54:41
  Speaker 7: But what he has done working out in the facility
• 54:44
  Speaker 7: last year doesn't mean that he's working out in the
• 54:46
  Speaker 7: facility this year.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: It doesn't. But again, like I kind of not that
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: I listen. I'm not advocating him to be the starting
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: quarterback next year. But you know, he's a human being.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: He was a captain, he's under contract, he's still part
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: of the team until further notice.
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: I have no problem with him being the.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: People do.
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: I don't think there's a lot of people who his
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: teammates aside his teammates seemed like they did because they
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: feel like he was his teammates that that we were questioning,
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: you know, his motives. That's different. I'm not questioning his motive.
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: I'm saying I don't understand how that it's I read
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: one piece and I don't remember where that said. They
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: literally took him out of the weight room that day
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: and he came upstairs. He happened to be in the
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: weight room that day and he came up like, I'm sorry,
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: that's not part of the conversation at all. Like I
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: think you're trying to portray something that isn't there. Like
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: Evan explained this, he works harder than everybody else, kind
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: of thing, which I think probably rubbed some players the
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: wrong way because they don't think it's true.
• 55:54
  Speaker 7: I just I don't have no problem with him being there.
• 55:58
  Speaker 7: Most angles that you guys have already broughten up. I
• 56:01
  Speaker 7: just think that this is a player that has already
• 56:05
  Speaker 7: lost faith in the locker room, Like the locker room
• 56:07
  Speaker 7: does not believe in mac Jones at this juncture, right,
• 56:10
  Speaker 7: And I think that he goes about certain things and
• 56:13
  Speaker 7: it's not necessarily on purpose or malicious or anything like that,
• 56:16
  Speaker 7: but he him being there, I think is him playing
• 56:19
  Speaker 7: the game.
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: I think it's him.
• 56:21
  Speaker 7: It could be, and I think that a lot of
• 56:23
  Speaker 7: ways he carries himself like a starting quarterback in the NFL.
• 56:29
  Speaker 7: I agree with Fred to an extent that I think
• 56:30
  Speaker 7: that he does put a lot of work into it.
• 56:32
  Speaker 7: I think that he does watch a lot of film
• 56:35
  Speaker 7: and work out it is do it. He does all
• 56:37
  Speaker 7: of the right things, but when it gets on the field,
• 56:40
  Speaker 7: it doesn't translate.
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: Just my point would be, I guess, in a nutshell,
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: I don't need my quarterback in the middle of January
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: in the weight room as proof that he works hard.
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: I don't need that.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: To me.
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: It's performative, But if he wants to do it, I
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: don't need it. I'd rather have him working on film,
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: you know, doing something else, or trying to figure out
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: how I.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Think I'm gonna lift it a weight in his life.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: This is true, and I was trying. I was, I
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: was going to get to something on that, but never mind,
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: all right, But I do think that there is an
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: element of him sort of maybe trying to figure out
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: a way to get out of here, and he figures
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: that might be the best way.
• 57:20
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• 57:22
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  Speaker 15: And we're back with another edition of the U Halftime Show.
• 58:20
  Speaker 15: Faith Well joining me again as always, and we have
• 58:23
  Speaker 15: some trivia. I don't even know if they're reading the
• 58:25
  Speaker 15: trivia anymore, but we're doing it. If they read it
• 58:27
  Speaker 15: on air, you're gonna win something. Send your answers in
• 58:29
  Speaker 15: the web radio at Patriots dot com. So here's question one.
• 58:32
  Speaker 15: I guess we got a little playoff themed trivia here.
• 58:36
  Speaker 15: Faith came up with these, so if they're not factually accurate,
• 58:39
  Speaker 15: it's on her. But question one, what was Arrowhead Stadium
• 58:43
  Speaker 15: called before it was officially named Arrowhead Stadium?
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 58:48
  Speaker 15: Question two? What was the first Super Bowl championship for
• 58:51
  Speaker 15: the Ravens? Who did they beat in? What was the score?
• 58:54
  Speaker 15: And question three, what's the name of the Lions mascot?
• 58:58
  Speaker 15: The lovable losers now the lovable winners to say, don't.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Go on that now, all right?
• 59:05
  Speaker 15: So we got some some start bench cuts real quick.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Fay came up with these.
• 59:09
  Speaker 15: I'll read them but we'll see what we got, So
• 59:12
  Speaker 15: start Bench, cut QB Edition, Rock Party, Lamar Jackson, and
• 59:17
  Speaker 15: Josh Allen.
• 59:18
  Speaker 16: Okay, So when I was coming up with these, I
• 59:20
  Speaker 16: tried to pick like top three or bottom three things
• 59:22
  Speaker 16: so it wouldn't be like obvious answers. So and since
• 59:26
  Speaker 16: we're in the playoffs, I'm gonna think of this as like,
• 59:29
  Speaker 16: I'm in the playoffs, who do I want leading my
• 59:31
  Speaker 16: team at QB one. I think I'm gonna start Lamar.
• 59:36
  Speaker 16: I know he doesn't have a great record in the
• 59:38
  Speaker 16: playoffs as of right now, and I know that there's
• 59:40
  Speaker 16: some like there was some question around him, like winning
• 59:44
  Speaker 16: at home and stuff like that. But I think in
• 59:47
  Speaker 16: terms of like command of the offense, being able to
• 59:49
  Speaker 16: find a way to win, and just like the guy
• 59:52
  Speaker 16: that I would want to trust my team with, I
• 59:54
  Speaker 16: think I'm starting Lamar. I think I'm benching Party, and
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 16: I'm gonna have to have to cut Josh Allen.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: Was there some recency buyas to that.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 9: No, Because honestly, I wanted the Bills to win.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 16: I thought the Bills could find a way to win,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 16: and I think Josh Allen is somebody who certainly has
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 16: the talent and can get it done. But I think
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 16: in crunch situation he tries to be somebody he's not,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 16: or at least he pushes himself and puts the team
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 16: not in danger. But I think, like early on in
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 16: the season, we saw him trying to make plays that
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 16: just weren't there, trying to be more like Patrick Mahomes,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 16: And I think when it comes down to crunch.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: Time, I don't know.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 16: I wouldn't want Josh Allen at my QB one necessarily.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: I might have to pick.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 15: I'm gonna flip flop Party and Josh Allen just because
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 15: Party's got the All Star cast and I like the bit.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 15: I don't like the Bills. I like Josh Allen by yeah,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 15: and as much as I love seeing them lose it
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 15: spin It's spin Oh so great, all these these losses
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 15: to Mahomes just aren't his fault.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: I know he is a.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 15: Kicker missing a forty four yard field goal, he scores
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 15: with fifteen seconds left, and then they score with thirteen left,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 15: So I'm gonna flip that for that.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: For now, I'm gonna see.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 15: I'm interested to see what happens with Party when he
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 15: it's time for him to actually get paid, and then
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 15: we got his Avengers cast up for contracts again soon,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 15: so that'll be interesting. Yeah, all right, we'll go number two.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 15: All right, we'll go number three. We'll go three coaches addition,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 15: Andy Reid, Kyle Shanahan, Mike McDaniel.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: This is so tough because these are three of my favorites.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 15: I feel like, all the first I don't hear what
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 15: you got? All right, I got, I got Andy Reid first,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 15: Mike McDaniel second, Kyle Shanahan cut him.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: And here's here's my reasoning.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 15: He's just we talk about players not having the clutch factory.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan doesn't have it.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 15: I think one if McDaniels, I don't know if he's
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 15: hooked to TUA. Yeah, I can't really trust to it
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 15: right now. Shanahan's blown twenty eight.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: To three mm hm.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 15: Was he was the oc for that got the the
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 15: forty nine Ers Super Bowl against the Chiefs. Just it's
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 15: he always goes wrong.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like this.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 16: Is tough because, like I personally I love Mike McDaniel.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 16: I think he's a very hilarious, fun, like good culture guy.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 16: I feel like we haven't seen quite enough of the
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 16: Dolphins in him, Like Andy Reid is someone who's been
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 16: around the league for so long, so I feel like,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 16: you know, he's so established. I think I I would
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 16: agree with your list. It's tough to cut Shanahan because
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 16: I feel like he's had such an impact on offenses
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 16: around the league, Like you can recognize certain like Shanahan
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 16: schemes when you see it, and so I think that's
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 16: it's tough to cut him. But I think you're right
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 16: about that clutch factor. And so all right, we'll agree
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 16: with Andy Reid, Mike McDaniel, and Kasha.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 15: Let's see what happens at the end of this year.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 15: Maybe maybe he wins it all go line. Imagine I
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 15: like this one, all right, Bill's Mafia Chiefs Kingdom Ravens.
• 1:02:55
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  Speaker 16: Truthfully, that might be my order. That actually might be
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  Speaker 16: my order. I feel like you gotta start Bill's Mafia.
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  Speaker 16: I mean, you got fans out there shoveling snow, shoving
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  Speaker 16: their seats. I of course, being on the outside, they're
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  Speaker 16: kind of obnoxious, but I can't imagine how fun it
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  Speaker 16: And if you're fully bought in, like all the ups
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  Speaker 16: with them at the bench. And then Ravens Flock. They're dedicated.
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  Speaker 15: I got Ravens Flock, start them. It was benching Bill's
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  Speaker 9: If you were a part of it, you would be
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  Speaker 15: I'll win something, win something. I'll put them number one.
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  Speaker 15: And Chiefs Kingdom they are, they're they're new. It's got
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  Speaker 15: They are, they are the worst. Like they gotta go.
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  Speaker 1: first answer, Paul, first question, so maybe.
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  Speaker 4: First championship for the Ravens was two thousand. They played
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  Speaker 1: You got it. People didn't get that Super Bowl thirty five.
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  Speaker 1: What is the name of the Lions mascot? No idea
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I definitely do not know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not good with stadium, War Memorial, Municipal Stadium. And
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  Speaker 1: who the water was Chris Gogelos, former video director here.
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  Speaker 4: We don't know how to quit us.
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  Speaker 1: We miss him and miss everybody listens. Everybody listens, Chris.
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  Speaker 7: He likes my tweets from time to time, and this
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  Speaker 7: is a nice little reminder of.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Okay, I want to get to some emails.
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  Speaker 1: of emails electronic. Yeah, we have a lot of emails.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see Dan writes in Virginia and Michigan, Paul, I
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  Speaker 1: don't under estimate Fred's insights into Tom Brady. Remember Fred
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  Speaker 4: This is correct. Andrew Good, how do you they've kissed?
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  Speaker 1: How do you all feel about Nick Kyley as a
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: coaching prospect for the Patriots? Is it too much of
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: the same old people or does his time outside New
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: England give you hope that he would bring enough of
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  Speaker 1: a difference or improvement to the offense. Second part, Okay.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a little lukewarm on the Nick Cayley thing.
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  Speaker 7: I would rather him not be like. My home run
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 7: would be to bring both of them, Zach Robinson and
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  Speaker 7: Nick Cayley and have Zach Robinson as the offensive coordinator
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  Speaker 7: slash quarterbacks coach and Nick Keyley as tight ends maybe
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  Speaker 7: run game coordinator. You know, since Zach Robinson's backgrounds more
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  Speaker 7: in past.
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  Speaker 4: I'd be interested in that.
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  Speaker 7: I would bring both of them back if I could,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 7: but I wouldn't necessarily run to give Kaylee the the
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  Speaker 7: OC title.
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  Speaker 1: Mike in South something, New Jersey, South Brunswick, South Brunswick, Saddlebrook,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: he's spelled bok. There you go. But now he's in Winchester, Virginia,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: so not even in New Englander. I don't know why
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: he needs to tell me that. But anyway, just finished
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: Thursday show and I don't want to spoil things, but
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: boy do I hope rkk's feeling about Mayo is as
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: good as Fred's feelings for the league. Always fun to
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: listen to you guys talk about what you think will
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  Speaker 1: happen after I've watched the game. Some takes age like Milk,
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  Speaker 1: keep up the great work, PS, please get Hearty back
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  Speaker 1: for pre and Post. Can't go through another big Jim
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  Speaker 1: Murray experiment a year with all this other organizational change.
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  Speaker 1: I need some sort of continuity. Back up the Brinks
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  Speaker 1: truck if you need to. For the love of God,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: well now he's doing very well in the morning.
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  Speaker 4: That's we're not cutting into the budget.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the part that there is no budget for
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: the postgame show. But anyway, No, he's doing well. Yeah,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: he's doing well yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah I heard you on with him yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Good Cole and Denver. Are you gonna get Mayo
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  Speaker 1: on the show? Come on, Fred, use your institutional power
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  Speaker 1: to get the fans what they want. Thirty minutes of
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  Speaker 1: soap with a lot with a slot featuring the Patriots
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  Speaker 1: new head coach. Seriously, though, what questions would you ask him?
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  Speaker 1: I like to know which traits he is looking for
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  Speaker 1: in an oc?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, why hasn't he been on the show yet?
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  Speaker 12: Bred?
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  Speaker 1: A little busy? The request is in.
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  Speaker 9: They'll be on eventually eventually.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, a little hurt. Oh he's a little
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  Speaker 1: bit busy right now.
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  Speaker 4: But we'll not busy. We'll get busy FREEI.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently, well that was kind of a contractual type of thing.
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  Speaker 1: But we'll get him.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I'll back off.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well but it's you know, what questions would you ask?
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah? I think that.
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  Speaker 7: His offensive vision just we Paul and I have kind
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 7: of beat this dead horse. But do you want to
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 7: win games thirteen to ten or you are you trying
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 7: to actually build an offense that could win a game
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 7: thirty to twenty?
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: Seven.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 7: You know, I think that that's a big part of
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 7: it and a big part of what how they're going
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 7: to build this roster is going to be dependent on
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 7: how he wants to play, not just I think, you know,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 7: what are the type of offense, the system, like not
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 7: that type of stuff, but more about the mentality of
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  Speaker 7: you know, do you your defensive minded guy, like do you
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  Speaker 7: want to score points?
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 7: Is that how important is that to you versus playing
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 7: you know, a bogged down style like they have been.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I would just say to you, Fred, there's
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  Speaker 4: people that you know, kind of mocking your feel for
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: the league. Yeah, they might want to tune in on Thursday, right.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, backing up the boss man, yep, Jared.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: From Indeed has a feel for the league.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: Jared in Vermont, uh two points, he says. Paul said
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  Speaker 1: last week the rate of first round quarterbacks being bus
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: is equal to any other position. There is no chance
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: that's true because some quarterbacks are bus at least in
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: part because of the situation they're in. Can you think
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: of any tackle, center, quarterback, or edge rusher who was
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: talented and didn't pan out because the team around him
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: was bad or the coaching was inadequate. This happens every
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: year with quarterbacks. I don't know about that, but.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I could think of a million examples of guys
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: that failed for all kinds of reasons. I think some guys,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: and this might surprise people, some guys just don't really
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: like playing. They do it because they were given a gift,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: you know, and in some cases it's a gift of size.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: And you know, I can think of one of the
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: guy on the Patriots last year that I mean.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: There was a guy, remember Justin Smith edge Rusher, and
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: I think he got drafted by the Bengals.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: Sounds familiar and like he was a great.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: Player, but not with the Bengal. Didn't he get traded?
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: No, with the Bengals, he was like the fourth overall pick.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: He was a really good player.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: All right. I didn't think he was as good as
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: he was gonna should have been.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: I think we're thinking about the same guy.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: Maybe, I don't know.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: He was pretty good. Okay, but how about Robert Gallery, Yeah,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: well he just exactly But where did he get taken?
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: I mean Eric Fisher was the like number one overall
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: pick of the draft, but he's kind.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 7: Of yeah, there There definitely have been guys that non
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 7: quarterbacks like that have just been fine or have had
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 7: long careers, but we're never as good as the pick.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: Well, how many first round like defensive backs get taken
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: that you just never hear of. They're just nondescript.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: This is my point. There's busts at every position. Yeah,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: like Jeff okug it's just not good job. Yeah right now.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: My point is when it's a quarterback, it's there forever
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: for everybody to remember because it's such a high profile guy.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: We've been talking about Caleb Williams and Drake May for
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 4: six months every day. So when inevitably at least one
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: of those guys is just average, he'll be considered a
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: colossal bust. Whereas Andrew Thomas is taken at tackle at
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: like number four and it's just meh, no one's going
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: to talk about that in ten years because no one's
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: gonna remember him.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 7: I will say that the tackles lately have not panned
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 7: out quite as well, and I think that that the
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 7: offensive line play league wide is not as good as
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 7: he used to be. So I don't think it's just
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 7: on them that they're not talented enough. But the training,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 7: the practice time, the bat practices.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: Not talent like guys get taken. And this is why
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: Robert Gallery might have been talented. No, listen, I'm not
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: going to pretend to know intimately every single guy in
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: the draft. But when you talk about like these quarterbacks
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: that bust out, when your quarterback like Blake Bortles is
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: very talented, like, there are reasons why guys don't make it,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: and there's a lot of them. You know, it could
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: be like the emailer said, and he's right to bring
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: it all the other factors, you know, like a lack
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: of support, a bad offensive system, maybe a system that
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 4: didn't fit his skills. Maybe it was poor offensive line play,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: you know, maybe they never had a defense and he
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: was always trying to do too much. And you know
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: David Carr getting the you know, the crap pounded out
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 4: of him every week. Whatever. Right, there's a million different reasons.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: But when you get taken that high in the draft,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: very rarely do they look back at a bus and say,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: you know what, that he just he wasn't good. He
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: just didn't have any ability at any position. I'm not
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: telling you never, but yeah, a lot of these guys
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: and That's why it bugs me when they say the
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: number one overall picks never do anything because they don't count,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: like Jared Goff or Matthew Stafford, because they're not doing
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: it with their original team.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: The idea is to pick a guy you think is
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: talented enough to be taken in the slot that he is.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: And I don't know how anyone can tell me Matthew
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: Stafford wasn't talented enough to be the number one overall pick.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's the hardest part of the draft. The hardest
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 7: part of the draft is that these are all human
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 7: beings and whether it's situation, whether it's motivation, whether it's
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 7: any of these other factors.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: Is he Brady or is he Jay Cutler?
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 7: They can all replace the talent like they can all
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 7: it can all supersede the talent if they're not wired correctly,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 7: if they're fragile, if they're not motivated.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: It's a big jump from college. But there's no way
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: even if you're in the SEC.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: But there's no way of knowing if a guy is wired,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: to use Evans's term, like Tom Brady, or if he's
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: wired like Jay Cutler. Jay Cutler was wildly talented, right,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: and he didn't care, Like there's a million reasons why
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: these things happen.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 8: Also, it's like, I feel like so different when you're
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 8: kind of playing a sport as a hobby, like it's
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 8: not like your entire day, and then turning it into
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 8: a job where you're literally doing something football related all
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 8: day long.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see. Jared also says the Patriots are abnormally
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: devoid of talent. To make a baseball analogy, we're down
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: ten with no one on base, Why swing for the fence.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: We need to choke up on the bat and get
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: a couple runners on. Take Harrison Junior, Joe All or
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: trade back. If we wave from this pick, we're circling
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: the drain for a while.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: So I just my only pushback on that, and I'm
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: not telling you you're wrong, but my only pushback on
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: that is, why do we assume that Joe Walt is
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: safer than Jayden Daniels or or anybody else like that
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: there's a chance evaluation safer, Like it just is like maybe,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 4: but we'll see.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 7: I mean, but we just talked about like all the
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 7: reasons why it might not go that direction. But like
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 7: from my vantage point, just watching the two guys play
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 7: the flaws that Jayden Daniels has compared to the flaws
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 7: that joelt has. Joel should be a very very good
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 7: lineman for the next decade. Is it gonna pan out
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 7: exactly like that? Of course I know it.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 4: But don't you think that if someone if someone looks
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: at Jaden Daniels and picks him at three, you don't
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: think they're thinking, this is a guy, this is the
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 4: guy that's gonna be my quarterback for the next year.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 7: I think that for all three of these guys, you
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 7: are picking them based purely off of ceiling. I don't
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 7: I don't think that any one of them has a
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 7: particularly high floor, to be honest, because they're all toolsy like.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 7: They're like a lot of what is there. Allure is
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 7: is physical gifts and whether or not you can harness that,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 7: you can develop that and you can put it in
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 7: a perfect situation, is going to all be the X
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 7: factors in their careers.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: Let's see, I don't know who this is one gino.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm curious about what the Patriots are saying and
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: doing when it comes to hiring coordinators. Craft says he
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to go outside the organization to hire a
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: GM in other positions, but yet Mayo is scheduling interviews.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: Who's running the show and how are they going about it?
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: Because it seems like they're doing everything but doing nothing
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: at the same time.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 4: Mayo's running the show.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: I think it is right now. I think it's Drod.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 4: Mayo with some input and help from Elliott, Wolfen and.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: Macro in the coordinator situation.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so, especially Elliott, who's pretty well connected
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 7: around the line.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: I was told that those guys, Yeah, did you just
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: say this? I was reading a text that they were
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 4: actually in on the interviews. Is that what you just
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: I did not know that. Okay. I was told that
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 4: Grow in Wolf or with Mayo in these interviews.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 8: What are the odds that Grow sticks around after the draft?
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 4: Not very high, I would say, as of right now, Elliott,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: that's how I feel Wolf is staying and Grow is going.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: But no one has told me that. It's just my feeling.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: Samuel in Charlotte, Dan and Ninko had an interesting conversation
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: on their podcast this week, and I don't think Ninko
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: really entertained Dan's argument. The debate was who had the
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: final say with the Patriots. Dan seemed to think it's
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: Robert Kraft. I sure, hope it's not. Craft doesn't have
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: a football background. Why do you think, who do you
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: think has the final say in the draft room or
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: free agency?
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: I think that's a different argument. I have no idea.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Like I think that from like a big picture,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 7: thirty thousand feet view. Obviously, the owner is gonna kind
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 7: of have final say on most organizational things, Like if
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 7: you want to make Zach Robbinson your offensive coordinator, he
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 7: has a full list of suitors and like ten interviews
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 7: lined up. You're gonna have to pay him a lot
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 7: of money to come here to be a coordinator. That
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 7: decision ultimately is gonna have to be consulted with the owner.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 7: Like you're not going to just hand some Gerond Mayo
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 7: is not handing somebody a huge check.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: I big when it's this big money. I think Craft
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: has to write.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 4: But who they're going to take in the sixth round
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: of the draft, Like, no, But I don't have the
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: answer as to who has the final say it out either.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: Johnny in Mad Town, Paul, thank you sincerely for pointing
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: out the boom or bust rhetorics surrounding the Packers. As
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: a native Mayner that's lived in Wisconsin for twenty years,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: I can't stand how the media and fans were ready
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: to ship Jordan Love to Mars one minute and then
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: ready to build a statue the next. But I also
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: have a bone to pick. You call Dan Campbell more
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: or less a beefed up moron. He now has Detroit.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: It was probably me that sounds like an but I
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: didn't actually, But I don't think. I'm not gonna lie.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: I don't think a lot of him as a As
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: a I can't, but I'm not going to back away from.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: He now has a Detroit, a mild upset away from
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: a super Bowl that I think they could actually win
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: regardless of the opponent. Are you ready to walk back
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: your Dan Campbell opinion? Or is it double downtime?
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: Double downtime Let's see what he does next year. Yeah,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: I'm probably in the middle. I'm not as strong negatively
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: about Dan Campbell as that email is making it out
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: to be. But I also don't think he's done. I
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: think he's a good motivator. I think they play hard
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: for him, but I think they've done a good job
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: putting together a good team.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: Let's just say they don't get to the super Bowl. Yeah,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: next year they're in the playoffs again.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 4: I think he's I think he's done a great jobs.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: Were in the playoffs again? Is that?
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: Are we is Nick Sirianna were crowning him?
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: But does that mean he's Nick sirian is a bad
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: Does anybody that doesn't win the Super Bowl a bad coach?
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 8: You know?
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: But he kept his job by a thread?
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, but I'm just saying, well, they had they kind
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: of had a collapse.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: Right, you know, but they still won eleven games?
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but early and then they collapsed. I
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: kind of like the Patriots that first year of Mac.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 7: My whole, my whole thing with with Dan Campbell is
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 7: that I think he's a great motivator. I think that
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 7: he I think guy follow him. I think that he's
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 7: got all of those types of intangible qualities that you
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 7: love in a in a leader and a head coach.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 7: But when it comes down to it, I think that
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 7: his coordinators are doing the heavy lifting on the schematic side.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 7: So when Ben Johnson takes a head coaching.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 4: Which I don't understand because their defense is wretchedly bad.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 7: But yeah, it's well, it's bad because they have some
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 7: they have ways to go on that side of the
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 7: ball in terms of personnel, especially in the secondary, but
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 7: he does a nice job of cooking it up. They
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 7: just I look at the Eagles as a great example
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 7: because they made the Super Bowl and it turns out
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 7: that both their coordinators and that Super Bowl were probably
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 7: pretty good coaches, especially Steichen And now they lose both
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 7: of them, and they're they're one and done in their
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 7: train wreck in Siriani's almost fired.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 4: So let's see what happens with Dan Campbell. He's having
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: a great year, so let's see how And I would
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: agree that with you, Fred, I give Dan Campbell more
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: credit than probably Yes, I will say, I'll walk that back.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: I think he's done a better job than I would
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: have thought he was capable of. But I also want
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 4: to examine some of the things of why I don't
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: necessarily think he's a great coach. Okay, very simple. They
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: pick off a pass with a minute thirty three left
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: in the game. Tampa Bay has a timeout left. What
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: do you do? What do you do? There's a minute
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 4: thirty three left. You have the ball up eight.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so you're up eight, right.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: Just take you're taking knees, right, but when music time?
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: But when do you take the knee? I mean obviously
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: the first down. You know the clock. First down, I
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: take a knee. Bang. Okay. So now the clock is
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: running at one thirty three. You don't take your next
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: nap until win one second on the play clock if
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: they don't call timeout. Right, he took it with thirteen
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 4: seconds on the play clock, okay. Then the next play
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: there was eleven seconds on the playclock, which allowed it
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: to be fourth down with thirty eight seconds left in
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: the game. Now, for some reason, Todd Bowles didn't recognize
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: this gift that he was handed and didn't use that
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 4: last time out because, quote after the game, Todd bole said, well,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: they're going to just kick the field goal anyway, so
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 4: we're going to be down ten with not enough time.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: It would have been a forty eight yard field goal
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: that I don't even think Detroit would have attempted. I
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 4: think they would have punted. But that's recklessness, that's that's
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: being too excited at the time to get everybody on
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: the same page and say, if they're not going to
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: call time, out. We still got to wait till one
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: second on the play clock because if they call time out,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: they could force us to have to run a fourth
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: down play. But if they do, let's make sure it's
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: with less than five seconds left.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: L coach, may I recommend the Paul Perrello school of
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: clock fred management.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: Don't like I know that, Like I care about this
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: more than most. I get it, okay, but this was
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: rampant on Twitter on Sunday. Immediately. I looked at the
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 4: TV when it was third and twelve and there was
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 4: still so much time left. And I looked at Beth.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: I said, that's got to be wrong. It's got to
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: only be second down. There's too much time left. I
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: was and I was like, he just took the set.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: There was like eleven seconds, so I'm like, what is
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: he doing? I go, now they've got to run a
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 4: playland full it down. But Bulls just said, yeah, we
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: lost anything.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: But is that like I'm like, the court of the
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: coach should be saying, don't snap the phone in.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: The headset, right, Yes, but that's coaching.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: But shouldn't the coordinator be saying that to him too?
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: But you have to that's part of like Listen, when
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: you get the credit, you got to get the blame too.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: But he's a guy that he's gonna he.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: Got emotional, but he was excited and he lost track.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: But he has to rely on good coordinators. I'm not
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: going to deny that. And I wonder if they lost.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: And by the way, I think similarly of Bill Kauer,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 4: who had a terrific career with Pittsburgh. I don't think
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 4: he was a great coach, right, I think he was
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: a great motivator.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: But well, that's the thing. I think there's something to that.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: I don't think that absolutely, I don't think.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think the Lions could be doing what they're
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: doing if Dan Campbell was a coach.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 7: Because Dan would Dan amples brought to the Lions his belief.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 7: They believe they're no longer the Detroit Lions, and they're
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 7: no longer and we're no longer going to choke every
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 7: game away in the end, and we're no longer gonna,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 7: you know, be thirty forty years without a playoff win.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 7: And that he deserves all the credit in the world
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 7: for that, Like he instilled the culture there and that's
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 7: a that's a big part of it.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 4: But perhaps not phony, No, like he made them. I
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: think Evan said that perfectly. He made them believe that
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 4: they weren't going to be the same old sorry Lions.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 7: But the problem is is that when you start to
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 7: talk about sustainability and that team actually being good for
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 7: a period of time and not just a flash in
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 7: the pan, that's when the x's and o's and that's
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 7: when the coordinators come in. And I just think the
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 7: thing that bugs me is that everybody talks that the
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 7: reason why the Lions are good is because they have
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 7: grit and they have balls, and Dan Campbell's tough and
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 7: he's you know, a meet goes and it.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: Goes for it on for no cost him a lot
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: of games.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 7: The reason why the Lions are good is because they've
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 7: built a great roster and they have great coordinators and
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 7: those these guys are coaching really really. They got Jared
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 7: Goff looking like he's a borderline MVP quarterback right now.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 7: And that's why the Lions are good, not because Dan
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 7: Campbell gets red in the face and is gritty and
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 7: has guts.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: Times for them on Sunday, for sure. But my biggest fear,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: you know, as a you know, a bandwagon Lions fan.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: Now is him doing that?
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like screwing it up out like they say, coach,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: he can only lose you games.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: Punton's for you know, you know what's you gotta go
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 4: for it fourth to one from our own twenty nine.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: Matt framing him. We haven't really talked about this, he says.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not surprised Bill O'Brien went to Ohio State. My opinion,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: I think he knew the only way to help build
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: up his resume was going elsewhere because the holes of
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: this roster are obvious and too many. Plus Ryan Day
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: is entering a critical year there. Don't be shocked for
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: Brian might be the head coach in twenty twenty five
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: unless Rabel enters the picture.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 7: I'm not shocked at all that Bill O'Brien left. I
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 7: am a little bit surprised he went back to college,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 7: but I think that might be his only option, so
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 7: maybe that's why he did it. But it's funny because
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 7: people at Ohio State are not happy about this hire. Well, theatote, yeah,
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 7: and they and it was kind of the same feeling
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 7: that I had when the Patriots hired Bill O'Brien. The
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 7: people at Alabama were like throwing parades like get him
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 7: out of the out.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: Of the building, and until they replacement.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 7: You're right, And now Bill he comes here and he
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 7: was kind of the savior and now it's it's back
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 7: to I don't know, I'm not surprised that he left.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 7: I'm not surprised that that he was that he left,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 7: But I am a little bit surprised that he went
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 7: back to college because I don't think this reputation in
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 7: college is like all that great.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 4: It's a good email right down to the Rabel part,
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: because Rabel could be another one of these guys that's
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 4: left without a chair when the music Defina and I
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: think that this is a big year for Ryan Day
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  Speaker 4: and if it doesn't go well, I could see Rabel
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 4: taking over.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, let's go back to the Ace ticket hut
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  Speaker 1: line eight five to five, Pats five hundred, Raymond's and
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: Saint Louis. Hey, Raymond, how's it going?
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  Speaker 11: First time?
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  Speaker 18: First time caller, long time listening, but I started listening
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  Speaker 18: to twenty eighteen man, and I really appreciate you all
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 18: for you know, having me a platform for being here
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  Speaker 18: in Missouri. You know, everyone's a Chiefs fan or you know,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 18: old Rams fan, so everyone hates me being a Patriots fan.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 4: Sure, So my big question is what's the.
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  Speaker 18: Difference between a OC who's coached another team and then
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 18: a positional coach like a quarterback.
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  Speaker 7: Coach experience as mostly as an experience as a play caller,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 7: you know. Like that's my biggest fear right now with
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 7: what's going on with the Patriots is that they have
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 7: a lot of inexperienced coaches on their Yeah.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: A lot of ocs are also the quarterback coach, but
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: there's some teams that have they're separate.
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  Speaker 4: And the guys they've brought in so far, none of
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: them are called plays, right.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 7: None of them have called plays on the offensive side
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 7: of the ball. I don't think any of them call
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 7: plays on defense either, So.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: Never mind, I thought you would do on a patrician thing.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 7: Then oh no, I hate that too. But that's right now,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 7: that's my biggest fear. You have a first time head
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 7: coach with potentially a first time coordinator and a first
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 7: time defensive coordinator.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: And possibly a rookie quarterback and possibly a rookie quarterback.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 4: But yeah, Raymond is right though, like you know, the
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 4: quarterbacks coaches, I mean, I think they often get overlooked,
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 4: but I do think that's a valuable piece to have
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 4: somebody that they rely on that's not necessarily the same guy.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and not Jo Judge, but I also really I
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 7: really like Zach Robinson, and I guess you could probably
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 7: say the same thing about Dan Pitcher do would agree.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 7: But I really like Zach Robinson in particular because he
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 7: did a lot of quarterback consulting before he got back
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 7: into coaching. He was one of these, like Jordan Palmer,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 7: Tom House type of guys that would like work with
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 7: guys in the off season on their mechanics and footwork
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 7: and things like that. So you're not just getting like
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 7: a guy that can look at it from like an
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 7: conceptual standpoint next as and O's wise, but also somebody
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 7: that if they do draft Drake May, you know, can
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 7: work on his footwork, if they do draft Jayden Daniels,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 7: can work on you know, his his footwork, mechanics, all
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 7: that kind of stuff, and that you need that with
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 7: a young quarterback. So instead of having to go like
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 7: external and like sending him to Jordan Palmer over the summer, maybe.
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  Speaker 1: It's right here, guys, right here, Thanks Raymond, don't be
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: a stranger. Let's go to Wilm, Willem and Pelham. What's
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: up William?
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  Speaker 19: Hey Fred?
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: How you doing all right?
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  Speaker 11: Okay?
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  Speaker 20: Question for for Evan and also a question for Fred,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 20: I mean for football for mag Jones one.
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  Speaker 19: Now, so I'll just start with Evan first.
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  Speaker 20: Evan, you've seen.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of things, man, Like you know that's what
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: I do.
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  Speaker 20: From quarterbacks, you know, from the draft and everything quarterback.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 20: You're saying, well, we can wait till April. I mean,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 20: you're saying a lot of things. I just I'm just
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 20: trying to figure out what do Evan want with the
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 20: number three pick?
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 19: What do you want? Like, I don't, I don't know.
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  Speaker 19: You just all over the place right now.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: There's so much unknown covering your basis.
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  Speaker 7: I I just it's so much unknown, Like you're you're
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 7: were in January. There's they don't have coordinator.
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  Speaker 1: What do you want? What do I want?
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, Like I'm not in charge.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: So like no, but what if you were in charge?
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: What would you want to know? I'm on the artful
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: Dodger over.
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  Speaker 4: Here, because what are they doing in free agency? What's
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 4: the roster look like? Come? April twenty eighth, Like until
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 4: I know that, I can't give you a straight answer.
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  Speaker 1: But if you're the guy creating, you had all the
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: power number.
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  Speaker 20: Three, you don't want to receiver, you want to tackle.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 19: You want to what do you have?
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  Speaker 7: I would take the quarter If I was one hundred
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 7: percent sold on the quarterback, I would take the quarterback.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 7: If I wasn't, then I take the tackle. That that
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 7: if you want, you want me to commit to an aig.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: He likes Joe Walt. He's on I think you're on
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 4: record is saying that he tweeted about a bunch of
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: clips about Joel today that I saw he's just fill.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 4: I would if you can't get a quarterback, I would
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 4: trade down and take a tackle. But I mean, that
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: guy is just that. That's what does it for me?
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: William.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: Just give me, give me Joe Alt, and give me.
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  Speaker 7: Some some offensive linemen that can move their feet, that
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 7: can block people and keep the quarterback clean.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: That's what.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 7: But that's why I'm so on the fence about everything
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 7: is because we've got a long way to go. I
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 7: know everybody wants answers, but you know we're.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: I think William's not asking what you think is gonna happen.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: He wants to know what you want to do.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but we're like, you know, next week, I'll like,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 7: I'm going down to Mobile to the Senior Bowl. There's
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 7: a bunch of guys that are going to be there
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 7: that I'm looking forward to seeing. And then we have
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 7: the combine and like, there's we got a long way
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 7: to go.
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  Speaker 4: I'm easy with thanks. I want Drake May, but doesn't
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: mean he's gonna.
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  Speaker 7: Be I definitely these days, I'm definitely feeling myself leaning
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 7: towards Drake May as well, but mostly just because of
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 7: the guys that they've interviewed for the coordinator job.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: Ben and Brooklyn. While I think he's going to Atlanta
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: and that is this prolonged search creates the illusion of
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: extensive search with an eye towards the Rooney rule. Isn't
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: Bill's best fallback option? Navy low bar easy to show
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: improvement and coming full circle with Steve. Also about Tampa
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: going for two this I wanted to talk. People don't
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: understand that probability is a tool best used for large
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: sample sizes. Probability also ignores the situation in terms of
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: context and doesn't consider consequences. Even if I could win
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars, I'm not going to play Russian
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: Roulette with five out of six odds. I think there's
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: also an emotional setback after failing kills momentum and creates
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: and now we have to be completely perfect burden on
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: the team that is trailing. Yeah, so that was the situation.
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  Speaker 4: Right in the mouth. I could kiss them right in
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 4: the mouth. Yeah, that that perfectly encapsulates. Its not that
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 4: we don't understand it. You don't understand, Paul, You're too.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: Old, My god, No, it's it's not.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 4: Forbid you disagree with these people like I.
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  Speaker 7: I I think the biggest thing uh for me because
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 7: I am starting to come around to the other, to
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 7: the Paul side of the fence here. You guys know,
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 7: I love the math, I love the numbers, but I'm
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 7: starting to come around to your side of the fence
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 7: for two reasons. One, I see way too many teams
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 7: go for two down eight and have a horrible play call.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 7: And it's like if you have like just a great
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 7: two point play, like you're like, this is just a
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 7: money We really like this play. We really trusted throwing
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 7: a fade to Mike Evans in the back to the
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 7: back pylon is not one of those plays I'm talking
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 7: about one where somebody's just gonna walk in for a
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 7: two point conversion. If you have one of those types
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 7: of plays in your back pocket, then fine, But the
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 7: play call has to matter. And the second thing is
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 7: I also think the momentum in the game has to matter.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 7: That's because the momentum swings if you don't get it,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 7: and especially if you're playing on the road, that's a
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 7: big deal. Like that, Now all of a sudden, the
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 7: crowd's back, you'll get a lift and everything starts going
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 7: against you all you know, that's that can happen really quickly.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 7: So I don't think that the analytics they don't consider
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 7: what is the actual play being called? Not should they
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 7: or shouldn't they, but what's the play?
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, you think, well, every game play's gonna work.
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  Speaker 4: But every game is ruined now too. It's the analytics
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 4: say's fourth and four or less, go for it. What
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: kind of analytic is that?
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 4: Am I on my own ten? Am I up by
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: thirty at the time? Like it's not like an every
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 4: time thing, right? And I'm not anti going for two
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 4: down eight. I just don't think you do it every
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: time because the odds tell you you're gonna get one
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 4: of them, which the odds say, I think it's fifty
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 4: four percent something like that. The odds say you're gonna
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: convert on one of them, right, So but you do
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 4: it every time. Explained a lot of different ways that
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 4: you wouldn't do it.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: But Ben brings up a good point about sample size. Yes,
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: you only have two, probably two more chances, so you're
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: sample size is two.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 4: You have to go one for two.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: If you had ten opportunities that you knew of, okay,
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: I'll get five of them. But when you only have two, you.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 4: Have to make one right. And when you put yourself
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 4: in the situation that Tampa did, now, that one that
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 4: you have to make is the game, is the season's over,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 4: or you make it right. I'm sorry if that's not
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 4: the same as the middle of the second question.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: Would you rather have the season on the line kicking
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: an extra point or having to get.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 4: To right and they're not even winning, you're tying. The
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 4: other part of it that I do recognize, and this
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 4: is what I'm not anti going for it, because there
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 4: is I think a possibility, a strong possibility that if
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: you make the first one, it makes the other team
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 4: even more uptight, like if they had gotten that in
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 4: Detroit the other day. I'm sorry, there's a big difference
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 4: between being up six and up seven.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: Oh we know first hand twenty eight three when they started.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: No, but like in that, just in that situation, if
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 4: they get the two when they get to six, as
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 4: opposed to kicking it to get to seven seven, they're
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 4: probably thinking, oh, you know till we got a touchdown lead.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 4: You know, we get a touchdown, we go to overtime. Six,
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 4: it's like Jesus, we have a touchdown, we lose, right
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 4: like that. Emotionally, that's that's all part of it. But
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 4: I do think that Tampa took their momentum away yep,
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 4: by go in. I also say I blame Mike Evans
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 4: on that. All he had to do was stop and
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: he's gonna get a penalty. Yeah, he didn't get interfered with.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 7: I just feel like the play call has to matter.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 7: Like I'm sorry, but like high point fades, even to
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 7: Mike Evans, are low percentage throws and it's not like
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 7: that's not that's not a play like that's just like
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 7: two guys trying to make something happen. And then number two,
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 7: I just think that the time and the place and
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 7: the environment and the situation. And this is one thing
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 7: that I will give Bill a lot of credit for
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 7: when he talks about these kinds of things. Those are
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 7: all factors for Bill. Now, Bill I think is not
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 7: aggressive enough. I agree with that, but he factors in
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 7: whether are they Homer or other way? What's the what,
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 7: how's the game gone?
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 4: You know what? What what's the momentum in the game,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 4: what's the state of my team physically? We healthy the
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 4: other team? You know, you know, like we've I think
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 4: there was a game a couple of years ago that
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 4: Baltimore went for two with no time, basically with no
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: time left to try to win it because they had
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 4: lost like three defensive backs in the fourth quarter. They
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 4: would they knew they weren't going to be able to
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 4: stop it, and here's an opportunity, and I can make
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 4: one play and win the game here because I don't
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 4: have much of a shot in overtime. They didn't get it.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 4: They lost, right, But I understand, like I'm not anti
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 4: aggressiveness on the you know, going with the analytics. I
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 4: just don't want to hear the numbers. I don't want
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 4: to hear that this is it's for fifty every time, right.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 4: I don't get it because it's not the same because.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 7: There's no context, right, Like Never doesn't have this context
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 7: of the moment of the game.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 4: They like, I don't think the odds are fifty to
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 4: fifty on a two point conversion with no time left
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 4: down to right.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: And I also think the other teams out there getting
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: paid too, if.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 7: You want to if the broadcasts want to lean all
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 7: the way into analytics, like they kind of have, because
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 7: people do like it. People want to know people like
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 7: the numbers. They either need to figure it out on
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 7: their own so that they can explain it and have
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 7: and they don't and have a like an actual conversation,
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 7: or there needs to be like an analytics guru like
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 7: higher Aaron Schatz to sit in the in the press
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 7: box and give an explanation as to why they're doing this.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: And no disrespect to Aaron, who I don't know, but
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 4: I would kill myself if they did that. Okay, I'm
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 4: bad enough listening to the nonsense they give you. But
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: instead they just.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 7: They they explain it poorly, which gets people even more
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 7: up in arms about what they're.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 4: Fourth and four right, so analytics say to go for it,
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 4: and the oh, okay, so I'm up three touchdowns, but
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 4: I should go for it on my own thirty right
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: fourth and four. And I know that.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 7: You know Seth Walder who does it for ESPN, He's
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 7: ESPN Analytics, He's he's name the guy, and he tried
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 7: to explain this on Twitter during one of the games.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 7: But like sometimes the win probability that they use is
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 7: like half a percentage point. It's literally like forty percent
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 7: chance to win if you go thirty nine point five
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 7: percent chance if you punt.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: And there's how do they not go right?
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 4: And it's what do you mean?
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 7: Like we're talking about a half a percentage point like it?
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 7: This is kind of a coin flip to me.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 4: So now you look at the game like the Kansas
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 4: City Buffalo game, right, I think on the first drive
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 4: of the game, Buffalo had a fourth in inches from
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 4: their own thirty five, and they went for it. They
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 4: got it, they got it, So it's a non factor.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 4: But I think it's the This is an example of
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 4: I'm not always anti handlytic. I think it was the
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 4: right thing. I think you look at that game and
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 4: you say, I'm playing Patrick Mahomes, I need this much
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: for a first down. I got to take that chance
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 4: because he's going to score. I'm not going to shut
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 4: him down, and I need to.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: Move the ball and score.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 9: That's what you literally have a bolding boll ball for
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 9: like a quarterback.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 4: But that makes that different than as Fred says, the
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 4: probability pool that they go by, like, yeah, it's very unconvinced.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 4: Like I just was critical of Dan Campbell. Dan Campbell
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 4: does have Josh Allen. He has a guy in Jerry
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 4: Goff who's not great on quarterback sneaks, and they they
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 4: may or may not be playing against the team. Like
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 4: if it was Sunday against Tampa, I'm not going into
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 4: that game saying I need I need to put you
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 4: know a lot of points on the board to win
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 4: this game. I'm playing Tampa. I've just you know, I'll
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 4: punt the ball to them and whatever.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: It was funny there was one sequence in that Lion's
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: game where I think they were on the one yard
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: line first down, and they had two passing plays, very
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: unlike and I think I think Campbell just said just
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: run the ball and then they just ran it right
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: up the middle, easy touchdown.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 4: But the second pass play was the one that almost
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 4: got picked off by Jimmel Dean.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so it was just funny. Like so I
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: think that, you know, Campbell does rely on his coordinators,
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: but I think sometimes he might overrule them.
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  Speaker 4: You know, he just just assigned to that play. Call
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 4: to to Campbell, well, I do run pass? Maybe you
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 4: know Bill does that all the time. You know, Bill
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 4: just run the ball down to see how Fred the
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: ones that didn't work that the ones that did was
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 4: Stan Campbell.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: No, but even the announcers are like, they're not running it.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 4: I thought it was strange to play call. I think
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: it was like the four yard line or something like that.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: Like that often, Uh, Andrew in l A. Paul, do
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: you have a vantage point to see if Fred's food
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: stains and his Emerson shirt are still there from last week?
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: Or did he wash his shirt?
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 4: Fred? Did you wash it? Screw not treating the listeners.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: Well, I have seen let's get back to the phone.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 4: The Emerson shirt, how do you remember that?
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: What that was?
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 4: Spicy?
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: I wear it last week.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 4: I guess I don't know.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: Let's go to dominic in New York. What's up dominic?
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 4: Hey? How you doing all right? Good?
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 19: First all, Paul, I think you care just the right
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 19: himount about the whole time management con situation with the line,
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 19: I think it's perfect because to me, I agree and
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 19: with top Bowl saying the game is over listen when
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 19: you're in the playoffs, give your team a chance to
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 19: do whatever. Who knows what can happen, But you know,
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 19: the whole bit and run of y'all going off on
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 19: like you know, situation. And I'm kind of not anti
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 19: going forward on burnt down, but like situation, like early
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 19: in games, maybe you want to set the tone early,
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 19: you know, maybe you're close to midfield kind of in
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 19: no man's playing on forty or thirty, right to go
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 19: forward then, But when you're kind of going forward on
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 19: your own thirty or your own twenty like the Bills,
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 19: like you know, Harryston Bucker, great picker who gets that
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 19: game over for sure there at least in my opinion.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 19: So you know, I think to your point in time
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 19: and momentum is a thing. One thing I want to
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 19: ask is I've been like looking around like different draft
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 19: resources like a you know, kind of falling mel Kiper
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 19: you Sam mock draft. Just looking at draft analysis with qvs.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 19: Other players. I want to ask, and I didn't catch
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 19: it last year. Do y'all do like an analysis of
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 19: all players available or do you just kind of pick
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 19: and choose and then put them up on Patriots dot
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 19: com Just so I can follow that too.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 4: Okay, what's the question the draft?
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: For the draft?
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 4: Don't we don't do all players?
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: Now, what we do is we take like the top
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: ten of each position. We get them up. Well, so
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: what the guys will do is, like one day, you
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: guys will focus on running backs and we'll have a
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: podcast that we'll talk about all the top running backs
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: that are available, and then we'll have like you know,
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: recaps on on Patriots dot com. We'll also have videos
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: of probably the top five guys at every position. We'll
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: put those videos up maybe a little bit more in
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: some of the cases.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, we do have a podcast for every position
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 4: that Mike and Evan and I will will do. And
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 4: then I think Evan and Mike do a lot of
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 4: written capsules on the prospects as well. Yep, drafts. Yeah,
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 4: there's I mean, there's a lot of there's a lot
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: of draft information out there, and there's a lot that
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 4: we'll have on Patriots dot com too.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: Yep, Sean's and Vancouver. What's up Sean?
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  Speaker 21: Hi everyone, Paul. I also agree with your position on
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 21: Dan Campbell's play calling and time management. But I have
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 21: a couple of questions in regards to clarification for things
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 21: you said earlier. The one was for the Patriots scrafton quarterback.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 21: You mentioned it depends on what the Bears want to
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 21: do with relates to justin fields, and I get that,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 21: But you also mentioned the Cardinals and Murray and I
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 21: don't get that because wouldn't it be Washington commanders as
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 21: the commanders of the second pick that I mess that up?
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  Speaker 11: Oh? Okay, my bad, this is wondering.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah.
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  Speaker 21: And the second second thing I wonder is that the
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 21: Patriots Gobo Nicks in the second round that probably won't
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 21: work out. Is that because Nicks won't be a franchise
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 21: quarterback in the NFL? Or is it because he won't
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 21: be available in the second round.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 4: No, I don't think the chances are great of waiting
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 4: beyond the first round. And like getting your answer now,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 4: it can happen. We know who the guys are. But
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's a coincidence that seven out of
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 4: the eight final eight quarterbacks were first round picks. I
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 4: don't think that's a surprise at all. Yeah, I mean
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 4: you might be able to get Dak Prescott in the
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 4: fourth round. Yeah, I mean, look, it could happen with
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 4: thanks Sean. And I'm not going to count party because
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 4: I think you guys have been telling me how bad
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 4: he is all year anyway, so you guys can't tell
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 4: me I'd like to get Party in the seventh round. Party.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 9: Party is a product of great talent being around him.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: I think he's also pretty good. I don't I'm not
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: Evan wants to poop poo him. I think he's pretty good.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 4: No, No, I think I think I think he's fine.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: You have to be.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 4: There's a million other guys like him. I just can't wait.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: I wish there were a million guys. The league would
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: be better.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 7: I can't wait till Kyle Shanahan gets his Matthew Stafford.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 7: That's all I can say, because then then he might
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 7: actually have a chance of winning a super Bowl.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Ellen, Wisconsin, I think Campbell can be a good
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: head coach, but also he's not an X and o's guy.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: It's entirely possible that he knows his limitations so he
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: knows to hire the right guys. Despite experience here, not
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: every coach needs to think he's the smartest room guy
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: in the room in order to succeed.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 7: Un But it's really really difficult to replicate that year
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 7: after year because your guys get hired away, Like you know,
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 7: Ben Johnson's gonna get hired that way. So if you
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 7: have a really good job of developing coordinators and things
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 7: like that, then short.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 4: It'll be a good taset study because if they lose
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 4: the two coordinators the way Philly did.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I'm interested to see, like what's gonna happen
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 8: with Vegas too, because for similar reason, they love Antonio
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 8: Piers like their players love him.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 9: But like is that sustainable?
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Like coming off firing Josh, like the players like
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 8: rallied around Antonio peers and players did want him to
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 8: be hired as head coach, but like is that sustainable?
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 4: What I worry about here?
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 7: Like I think Gerrod Mayo has some x's and o's chops, absolutely,
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 7: but I think his strengths are leadership, motivation, you know,
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 7: those are his you know, addressing a room, being able
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 7: to capture a room and have the you know, the
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 7: weight of the room on his shoulders, and those are
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 7: all great things.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: But he also was a film junkie when he was
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: a player.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, I think he does.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 7: But I think that, you know, just hearing the difference
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 7: between his role in Steve's role, Steve is really the
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 7: play caller and the x's and o's guy, you know.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 7: And I don't think Girod's gonna call plays on defense
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 7: as the head coach. I think he's gonna want his coordinator.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: To do it. Uh, Paul says Cassidy, you said no
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: quarterback prospect taken high just outright sucked. What about the
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: head scratching Bears move and taking Mitch Trubisky, He wasn't
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: still as horrible.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 4: I didn't say that they don't stink, Josh Rosen, I said,
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 4: they have talent. They have talent. You know, there's a
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 4: lot of reasons why it's unfulfilled promise. But the tackle
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 4: that gets taken with the fourth pick has talent. Well,
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 4: he just maybe doesn't work. It doesn't work hard enough.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 4: Like Jay Cutler was as talented as anybody, but he
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 4: didn't care about football.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: I know, but there's more to just having pure talent.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: I understand that, Fred, But my point is, Mitch Trubisky
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 4: has ability. Yes, he could move.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: I think he could draft it has ability.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 4: Thank you. You just made my argument for me, right,
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 4: But that doesn't some guys, bust.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: I know, but that doesn't mean they're gonna be good
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: football players.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 4: Exactly, you know, exactly we are luckstep Okay. You know
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 4: that was my argument that the email had just tried
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 4: to pooh pooh by saying Mitch Trubisky.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 7: He had talent, so does JJ McCarthy. And I look
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 7: at the two of those guys, and I see this
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 7: Spider Man meme.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: Those guys they don't have enough talent in enough areas
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: or they don't have it.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 7: They run around, they got cannon arms, they can throw.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 7: They can throw the ball eighty yards. They can't throw
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 7: it five like, and I got time for that.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: And that's that's the lesson about the leap from college.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: Every one of these college players that are in the
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: draft were the best players in their conference. You know,
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: you read like guys that are you know, projected for
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: the fifth or sixth round, and you read their bios
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: and you know Dane Brugler and it's like all this
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: all that you know, and that just shows you the jump.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: Now you get to the NFL where all the guys
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: there were the best in the lower level.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 4: That's when you find out he has the same ability
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 4: as the guy across room, but does he work as
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 4: hard as he and does he knows as much and
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 4: does it mean as much to him?
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: And that's a fact. And that's what Belichick would always
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: argue about drafting, especially out of the first round, is
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: all these guys can play, tell me the guy that's coachable,
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: that football is important to them, and I'll I'll take
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: them to the next level, but I'll trade down because
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: I can get pretty much the same player at the
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: lower part of that draft as I can. I'm at
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: that round as a you know, top of that round,
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: and I'll make them, you know, good because they want
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: to be coached. But they all have the same traits.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think he feels that way about a
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: lot of these guys.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 4: Jordan Richards, well, you can't be right all the time,
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 4: but that the philosophy was very flawed.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, well then he mixed in the personal stuff.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take care.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying in general, like just trading down to
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 4: get a group of players that is a flawed philosophy,
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 4: and basically, to me, sometimes it makes it basically just
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 4: came back and bit them is all it did. It's
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 4: like the the law of averages are going to catch
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 4: up with you. Yeah, you can't do the wrong thing
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 4: often enough to overcome it. Like sometimes you just got
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 4: to take good players and coach them. If he's as
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 4: good as coach as he always thought he was, he
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 4: should want to get talented players.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: Well Ken in New Jersey, Belichick always said he would
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: go for two if he liked the play call, similar
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: to what Evan says. I think that makes a bigger
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: difference than the analytics. These plays are not in a vacuum.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 4: That's my biggest point right there, the last sentence. They're
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 4: not like I think the analytics treat it like it's
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 4: in a vacuum, and there's a lot of emotion that
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 4: goes into that game that gets ignored.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see be rights in. He's from New York.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: We need an entire offense. He says, do you think
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: these offseason moves would be enough Zach Robinson, ebro c
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: re sign on when you sign Ridley or Hollywood Brown
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: at wide receiver, draft Jad and Daniels in the first
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: and draft a tackle in the second. Would those add
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: up to.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 4: Would that make you a good offense?
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 4: No, but that's a good start. Yeah, it's a really
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 4: good story. I'm all set on Hollywood Brown, but yeah, no,
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 4: I was thinking more Ridley.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, but I mean that's sort of what my
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 7: at some point, my dream off season thing that's been
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 7: written for like two weeks. We'll see the light of day.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 7: But until they actually like tell me what's happening in
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 7: this organization, it's kind of hard to do. But that's
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 7: like kind of what my along the lines of what
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 7: I would say, like quarterback in the first round, tackle
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 7: at the top of the second round, pay somebody in
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 7: free agency at wide receiver, bring on WHENU back and
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 7: have you know, good coordinators and good coches.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 4: I think that's a good solid foundation to start to
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 4: bring your offense back. Now, you still need a lot more.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeap. Luke's in North Attleborough. What's up, Luke? Luke? Yeah?
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 22: Just called come on, ye, do you think some things
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 22: are better left to chance?
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: Like it depends on what you talk rather not stare.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 22: At or replay for like thirty minutes during a game
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 22: and maybe just move on and let it be up
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 22: the chance instead of everything being right down to the
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 22: nitty gritty of.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 8: What? No?
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 12: No?
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: So rather than chance started, are some things left better
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: left better left to chance?
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 4: Is that what you say?
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 13: Right?
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 12: Like?
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: Well, not like you know, sexually transmitted disease, You don't
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: want to like leave that to chance? I got pink
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: guy right now, Well there you go. See you left
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: that the chance And now you can't see how did
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: Fred know? Yeah?
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 4: So what so what are we not leaving to chance?
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 22: It's just really like the instant reviews and like staring
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 22: at a review for like thirty minutes, shying to figure
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 22: it out.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 4: I don't like what you're talking you're talking about he
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 4: played reviews. I think he's saying.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 7: I think he's saying that instead of everything like a
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 7: Challenger review, we just go with the call on the
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 7: field and like that those are the breaks, like you.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 22: Just have to go.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's what he's saying, but I
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: don't know, I have the technology to get it right,
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: get it right now was the closest I can get.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 4: You know what bugs me is like I think there's
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 4: a strong argument to be made that you could get
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 4: rid of replay because it's not used right. It's not
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 4: they're not right all the time. Like what was the game?
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 4: Who was the never mind? I can't remember what game
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 4: it was. And then they said, oh, the Pittsburgh Buffalo game.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 4: The guy fumbled friar move. He clearly fumbled and the
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 4: Bills clearly recovered it and bounced, and they go to
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 4: replay and there's no, no, no it call stands like
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 4: that's what what bugs me if you're not going to
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 4: use it right and don't use it at all.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: Coming from tennis, I'm so glad with the technology now,
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: you know, like I kind of miss McEnroe yelling at people,
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: but you don't have to go do that anymore. Yeah,
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: and now with the the majors, they don't even have lines.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 4: People, do you see this qualifier by the way that
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 4: or whatever?
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you haven't watched any I haven't seen her. But
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: like the tennis guy, they don't even need you know,
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: beyond just you know, the close calls. They don't even
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: have people anymore, and it's it makes it so much better.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 7: Well, I was we were watching, we watch the Bruins
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 7: all the time, and that the guy, you know, if
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 7: you clear it out of the of the ice, I'm
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 7: trying to think of the words, Uh, it's a penalty,
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 7: right if he doesn't go in your own zone. And
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 7: he flicked it right out without it going off of anything.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 7: And they said that it deflected and it never divided,
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 7: and it was it wasn't even close. And like in
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 7: the NFL, I'll give him credit. Like I think the
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 7: NFL would have maybe had New York buzz down and
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 7: say hey, like this is actually.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 4: Although they didn't do that. And I was thinking the
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 4: same thing on that garbage passing appearance call on Kansas City. Yeah,
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 4: on Buffalo against Kansas City. I was waiting because the
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 4: women they have the long the long talk. I'm like,
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 4: they're going to fix this. They're going to fix it
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  Speaker 4: because they had the replay that showed perfectly the Malmes
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  Speaker 4: had the ball in his hands as the guy was
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  Speaker 4: bumping them and it was within five yards and they
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  Speaker 4: still call pass interference.
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  Speaker 7: These are the things that I just just get it right,
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  Speaker 7: you know in all sports, like you know, just we're
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  Speaker 7: standing there on our couch and you can clear his days.
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  Speaker 7: See it's a penalty, and yet the NHL decides to
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 7: just go with the wrong call and it makes it.
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  Speaker 7: It doesn't take thirty minutes like the caller said.
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  Speaker 4: It takes ten. And I've been a bit of a
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 4: to get his point, get rid of get rid of
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  Speaker 4: replay guy like but Fred's point of no, I want
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 4: them to get it right if they can. And the
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 4: play that really illustrates that is the Mikole Hardman fumble,
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 4: Like that was really close. Yes, but they but the
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 4: ball was moving before his hip hit the ground, right,
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 4: and that was a humongous play.
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: Oh I hate that rule though.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 4: Oh the rule is going to be changed. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: Evin mccorty says they should keep it.
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  Speaker 7: There's a lot of there's a lot of traction in
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 7: the league to get that real change. I don't know
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 7: what it's going to go to, but it's not going
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 7: to be a turnover. It'll maybe it'll be like a
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 7: or if. I don't know exactly what it's gonna be,
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 7: but it will it will be different.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I shouldn't lose the possession of the ball on
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: a technicality so the other team has to take it away.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 4: We applaud Andy Reid a lot on that play. That's
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 4: a dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb play for a lot of reasons.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 4: One you're running it right down there throat, just running
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 4: into the end zone. And two you're flipping the ball
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 4: to a guy who hasn't had the ball in his
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 4: hands the whole game, in the middle of the fourth
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 4: quarter in hardman and then he's loose with the ball
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 4: at the goal line. He kind of got what you
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 4: deserved on that. And I love Andy Reid.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: You know that Paul Parrello school of clock management and
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: fourth quarter play.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 4: Actually he fumbled twice in that game. Yeah, but do
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 4: you unders like, do you you know what I'm talking about?
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 4: If you're given that to like Kelsey and he fumbles,
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 4: I don't have as much of an argument. But like,
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 4: why are you're getting cute with a guy who hasn't
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 4: really had the ball? He's been on IR for like
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 4: two months? First world problem for Kansas City, But they
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 4: check is a dog like he coincidence that Tony has
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 4: been out the last couple of games and all of
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 4: a sudden, the Chiefs offense looks fine.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's check. There's a couple of young guys like
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: Ayuk and guys like that in the league now that
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: are the next generation of really good players. It's exciting.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: I take that all right. That's gonna be it for
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