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THE 60-DAY RESET WITH TESS MASTERS · The Karen Kenney Show

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  Hey you guys, welcome to the Karen Kenney show. I am super
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  duper excited today because I'm talking to my friend who I know
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  you're gonna love too. But here's the thing, you guys know,
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  how picky I am about having people on my show. I almost
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  never, ever, ever, ever have guests on so when I do, you know
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  that there's a good reason why. So if you remember, I don't
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  know, last year, sometime, I let everybody know that I had just
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  been on my friend Tess's podcast, and I am now having her
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  on my podcast, and I can't wait for you guys to hear all about
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  her, one of the cool things. So first of all, say, hi, Tess, hi.
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  I'm very honored to be a guest, because I know how picky you
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  are.
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  Okay, first of all, you're going to be obsessed with her accent
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  like me, because I could listen to her all day long. But we're
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  going to talk about like your programs, like there's all these
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  things I want to get into, but one of the things I love about
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  you is you're also like me, a multi passionate, what I
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  consider like a multi passionate person. So you don't just do one
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  thing. And I know like you guys, if you listen to the intro,
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  right, she's a she's an actor, she's an author, she's a coach,
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  she's a podcaster, she, like, does a bunch of shit, is what I
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  basically was saying. So you do a lot of different things, and I
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  kind of want to dive into all of these little nooks and crannies
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  of like how you serve and how you show up in the world, and
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  like what lights you up. So first of all, just thank you for
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  being on the show, and I'm super duper excited to have you here.
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  Thank you for having me. This will be fun. You and I can talk
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  for hours,
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  and we have look it. So one of the things whenever I do have a
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  guest on, though, I like to ask them a question in this realm.
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  So, what were you like as a kid, like, as a kid, like, were you
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  like, quiet, nerdy, like, big, like, what was your vibe as a
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  kid, and do you think that your childhood and how you were and
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  the shit that went down in your life, that it informs or
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  influences or inspired the work that you do today? Oh, 100%
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  okay.
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  Tell I was thirsty, I was curious, I was adventurous. My
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  parents helped me believe that I could do anything and be
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  anything. We traveled the world together. We lived in a bunch of
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  different countries. My mother speaks a lot of different
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  languages. My parents. You know, some people spend their money on
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  houses and cars. My parents spent it on experiences. So we
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  had season tickets to the ballet, season tickets to opera
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  and plays. And we were constantly experimenting with
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  different food and cuisines from around the world. And my mother
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  was doing all these amazing stuff. We traveled, you know, to
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  different countries every year. My mum was a teacher, so they
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  would pull us out of school. My dad would take extra vacation
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  time, and we would immerse ourselves in a culture. And we
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  weren't allowed to say we didn't like something until we tried
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  it. So, oh, I don't like that, you know, like a food, you know,
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  that maybe you hadn't tried it. Didn't look very attractive or
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  something, and they would go, Well, how do you know you
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  haven't tried it could be the best thing you've ever tasted.
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  So we just had to have one bite, and then once we had one bite,
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  then we could exert our free will, but we didn't like it.
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  Okay, great. Thanks for trying. Maybe we want to revisit that
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  down the road, you know, like so, for example, raw tomato and
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  avocado when I was a kid, just now, I can't get enough of it,
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  you know. So it was just being open to all possibilities was
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  really the name of the game in my family. And we, you know,
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  come from a very creative family, you know, we have
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  literal rock stars and judges and, you know, big, big,
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  achieving family, but it's sort of no big deal at the same time,
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  meaning you just do what you're passionate about, what you love,
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  and you share it with the world. So from a really young age, I
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  was taught that my voice mattered and to put it out
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  there, and that people wanted to hear what I had to say, being my
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  parents, and then, by extension, anybody that we chose to invite
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  into the conversation, and I think it's just a really
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  important message to share and to hold and to carry with you.
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  So my upbringing, in my childhood continues to resonate
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  and play out in everything that I do.
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  This is so fascinating to me, because one of the questions I
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  wanted to ask you, and then I was like, Nah, like, I don't
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  know but, but I do think it speaks to what you just said.
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  Well, first of all, before I ask the question, this other
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  question is, so what did your dad do for work?
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  Yeah, so my dad worked for the airline, so he was a flight
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  engineer, so he flew and was gone for days at a time. And,
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  you know, then he went long haul when we moved to Singapore. He
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  started with Qantas, which was, you know, back then, it was
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  called something else, but then it got absorbed. And then we
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  went to Singapore, and he worked for Singapore Airlines, and so
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  that explains, off of some of the travel, okay, yes,
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  absolutely, yes. And then my mom was a flight attendant for
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  Qantas. That's how they met back in the day. But she had been a
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  teacher prior to that. That was. What did she teach? What subject
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  she taught primary school, and then she became a special needs
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  teacher. So she became an integration specialist. And so I
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  think that really informs a lot of what I do as well, in the
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  sense of, you know, I then volunteered, you know, she was
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  volunteering sat on the, you know, different charities and
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  things. And so social service was a very big part of our
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  family as well. And then I started volunteering myself. And
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  then I worked for the government, for the Department
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  of Human Services with intellectually disabled people,
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  people with acquired brain injuries, et cetera. Worked in
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  hospice, things like that. So that was a very big part of what
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  our family did, and other members of my family as well. So
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  yeah, that's where the flying comes into it. So my mom has
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  also done a bunch of different things, because she's constantly
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  wanting to explore the next frontier. So I get that from her
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  for sure.
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  Yeah, I love that. Well, one of the things when I first met you,
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  and then I had the we were on, we were on a zoom, catching up,
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  and your mom came into the frame, and we were like,
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  chatting, and I was like, but you're really close with your
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  family. And I think something, something that is really
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  beautiful, and I think a lot of people don't have this is, first
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  of all, it sounds like you still have a really healthy
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  relationship with your folks, but one of the things that you
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  said that they really instilled in you, because one of my next
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  questions into your creative work, it kind of is already
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  leading there is that they told you that a, you had a voice, B,
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  that it was worthy of being heard, that you had something to
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  say, and just that foundation, that really healthy kind of
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  foundation to launch yourself from. Because, you know, I
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  remember meeting you and thinking like, this is a really
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  confident person. And I'm not saying you sometimes don't get,
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  you know, you know that you don't have fear. Sometimes you
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  get, oh, every day, every day, every day, but you present as,
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  like, very confident. And I'm like, it's beautiful to grow up
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  in a family where you're being told and that you actually,
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  like, feel in the marrow of your bones that you are seeing, that
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  you are heard, that you're worthy, that you're mad, that
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  you matter, and that you're loved. And it sounds like, and I
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  look, I'm not saying your family didn't have things. I don't
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  know, I didn't grow up in your house, but it sounds
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  every, every family does, every family does, but I will say that
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  I really hit the jackpot with my parents. We are a very close
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  family. And you know, we were the family that everybody else
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  wanted to be around. They would tell us, you know. And my
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  friends wanted my parents as their parents. And you know, all
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  my friends just adore my parents, and they're very much
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  included in a lot. And you know, I'm close with my sister, and
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  there's just, I've just had one sister, so there's four of us.
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  So we were very tight knit group of four for sure. So yeah, I was
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  extremely fortunate, and I, like my parents, I would choose them
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  as friends,
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  and they're both still alive, yes, yes, yeah,
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  they're both in excellent health, which I'm incredibly
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  grateful for. And that's why I chose to return to Australia for
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  a while. You know, after living in the United States for over 30
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  years, because my parents, because my parents are with it,
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  and they're ambulance and they're still cognitively
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  active, and they're still curious, and they're still up
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  for things. And, you know, while I, you know, I'm single for the
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  first time in my life at the moment, and I wanted to return
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  while I didn't have a partner, didn't have to uproot their life
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  and just spend this really precious time with them before
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  getting the call from my sister. Oh, you better come home, you
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  know. So, yeah, it's a it's a really special time, because
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  they're in their 80s.
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  So it's beautiful and it's rich, and it also just like, I just
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  got like, oh, I wanted to just cry when you were talking about
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  that. I I think it's so beautiful that you're aware and
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  awake enough that, because when we look at it, you know, and
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  you're like, okay, my parents are this age, or whatever
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  meaning yours. And if you were living in LA or still living in
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  the States, and you think, well, how often do I see them? And
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  then you're like, Well, if you only go home, let's just say you
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  only went back to Australia once a year or twice a year. And they
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  have, like, this much time. When you break it down like that, it
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  would literally be like, I'm only going to see my parents
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  like, four more times or six more times. And when you think
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  about it like that, it's like, oh my god. So I just love that
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  you're all there, like, living your best life together. That
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  makes me so happy.
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  It's, yeah, it's really, it's, it's really been a really fun,
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  as you say, rich time. But I want to just pull up on
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  something you said before, because it really went into my
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  heart. In the you present as a really confident person, and I
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  do when I'm in an arena where I feel confident. So right now, I
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  just have to show up as me. So I am confident presenting as me.
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  If I'm coaching, I feel very confident in what I'm doing, if
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  I'm doing a voiceover, if I'm on stage or you know, but as you
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  know, Courage isn't the absence of fear, it's acting in the
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  presence of fear, and we build a different relationship with it.
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  So I am constantly in pursuit of refining my relationship with
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  fear or self doubt or whatever labels we want to put on. It,
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  and I certainly experience it on a daily basis. So, you know,
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  just for for listener, you know, if you're thinking, gosh, she's
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  balls to the wall, she thinks she can do anything, I am often
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  in a fetal position. I'm often meditating. I'm often going, I'm
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  a fraud. No one's gonna want to hear that from me. I mean, I
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  feel that just like everybody else you know. And then I pull
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  out my bag of tools, and I work through it just like we all do.
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  Well I want, yeah, well, that was leading to my next question
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  about you being an actor. Some people would say old school
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  actress, whatever. But I say actor, right, but I remember
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  actor, actress, right? So you have a podcast. It has to be me,
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  which I was lucky enough to be on. We're going to talk about
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  that, but I you were fabulous. Thank you so much. I had, I had
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  great help with you as a fantastic interviewer, but I
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  remember when I went and listened to your podcast, and I
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  don't know if it was in the first or second episode, and
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  this is all pointing back to the confidence question. You told
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  this great story about, I don't know if you were 1617, or
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  whatever, and there was some director on campus or something
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  who saw you and thought you were beautiful or whatever, and
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  wanted to cast you. And there was this other girl. There was
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  this whole situation. I know the story, but it kind of speaks to
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  this, because I think that's also something that I don't want
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  to speak for you, but that was a really big lesson that you
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  learned in that, do you want to tell a little Yeah?
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  Yeah. I love that you remember that story within the context of
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  what we're talking about, because it was a very, very
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  pivotal moment in my life, because it was an example of me
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  choosing to be crippled by fear and running with the narrative
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  of I'm not enough, that I somehow have to be different to
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  meet the moment. So I had been sitting on the benches outside
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  of the theater department, and I was talking with my TA and some
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  other people about a play, and we were sort of just analyzing,
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  just having a really, you know, yummy, delicious conversation
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  about story. And this director was sitting there, and I
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  actually didn't see him at first, very famous director. If
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  I hadn't seen him, gosh, I don't know what I would have done, but
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  anyway, and he actually was just listening, you know. And he was
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  there sort of scouting for people for his next movie as as
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  they did, you know, because this was in LA I was at UCLA, and,
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  yeah, he just came up to me and said, Hi, you know, I just was
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  just listening to you so, so on board with what you were saying
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  and your analysis of that. And you mind if we just chat for a
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  little bit? So we had this fantastic conversation. And he
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  said, You know, I just have a feeling that you would be just
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  really fantastic to work with, and I would really love you to
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  audition, you know. And it was the opportunity of a lifetime.
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  And I just said in the moment, if you can believe this, I still
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  cannot believe I did this. I mean, it's just baffling to me.
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  I could kick myself. I want to go back and wring this girl's
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  neck like, literally, or love her, or say, just go for it.
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  Come on, you know. And I'd already had the big lead of the
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  season as a freshman, and everybody else in the show was a
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  senior and a graduate student, like, I already had some stuff
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  under my belt, you know, that I was enough at this school, you
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  know, or in life, or had the talent, or whatever, and I was
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  getting the lead, the lead, you know, it was it just, it wasn't
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  sort of an unknown sort of thing. And I just was completely
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  terrified. And just said, you know, I just don't feel like I'm
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  ready, and I just want to stay at school, you know, I wanted to
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  stay in that safe bubble where I was the big fish in the little
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  pond. Basically, I was terrified, terrified that I
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  wouldn't meet the moment and I would humiliate myself. And he
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  said, Are you sure about that? And it was almost like, now
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  that, I think back, it was a bit of a test. In that moment. He
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  went, No, you're actually not the girl that I thought you
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  were, you know. And he said it very politely, but now that I
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  think about it, oh God, anyway. And so he walked away. And this
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  other girl that I knew, she saw and heard all of this, and I
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  had, you know, beaten her for some roles. And I've beaten her,
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  I know, if that's the right but, you know. And she just walked up
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  to him, balls to the wall, and said, I'd like to audition. And
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  she looked pretty similar to me, you know. And it was a, was a
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  movie that became a really big movie, really big movie, and she
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  got a role in that movie, and I don't begrudge that of her. I
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  don't I mean good for her, because she went, it has to be
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  me, and she went for a ball store and put her hat in the
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  ring and gave it a go. And that was a very painful lesson, but
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  not for her, yeah, and I think about that a lot. Is, you know
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  that you what is that old adage of you miss 100% of the shots
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  you don't take. And I may not have got that role or a role in
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  that film, but now I'll never know, and I would rather know
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  than not know. I would rather regret what I did as opposed to
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  what I didn't do. So I did things very differently after
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  that. So, you know, we are the sum of our experiences. And you
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  know, you know I love a quote, but you know, I love the Nelson
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  Mandela quote, you know, I never lose. I either win or I learn.
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  So I didn't lose that day, but gosh, did I learn. And learning,
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  you know, is winning, but it was, it was a painful lesson.
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  But the great things, the great thing about the lessons that
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  come wrapped in dog shit, so to speak, the really painful ones,
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  is that we can't ignore them, and we don't feel and they end
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  up being our greatest teachers. So everything that happens
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  serves us as we know, but gosh, did that serve me? It really,
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  really did. So yeah, yeah,
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  yeah. That was a big and powerful and painful in its own
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  way, lesson. And I think you know, what's beautiful about it,
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  though, for me, is that I see it as kind of like one of those,
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  you called it a pivotal moment, but it kind of lights that
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  little fire under your ass, like, never again. Like, never
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  again, like, I'm gonna go after what I want. And you also said
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  in there, you know, that girl not begrudging her and saying,
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  because she said it has to be me, which means I can't skip
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  over the fact that you just beautifully segued us into and
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  like I said we're gonna get into, because you have your own
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  level of fame in so many different ways.
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  Gosh, it's very generous of you. I don't know if I would view it.
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  Don't be a weirdo. We're gonna talk about it. But you recently,
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  last year, you started your podcast. It has to be me
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  podcast. And what do you for people who maybe haven't
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  listened to it yet? We're gonna point them in the right
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  direction, but like, what's the hot beat of that? And like, why
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  it has to be me, and what, what? Where did the name come from?
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  And what does it mean to you? Because I look at your podcast,
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  just for those of you who haven't, haven't listened to it
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  yet, maybe, maybe dia listener, you listen to my my episode that
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  I was lucky enough to be on, but I see your podcast is a really
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  beautiful, like, accompaniment. I can't even say that word like
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  it's an extension of, I feel like your programs, because it's
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  so rich with resources and things that help people, like,
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  live better, feel better, like with with all different kinds,
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  whether it's mental, emotional, physical, somatic, like, there's
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  so many great guests on but tell me what inspired you like to do
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  that, and what, what it has to be me means,
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  yeah. I mean, I've wanted to do a podcast for many, many, many
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  years, and I just didn't have time, and not because I chose
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  that I didn't have time out of fear, because I think that often
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  that's an excuse for I don't think I'm ready. I just was
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  traveling the world. I was the spokesperson for KitchenAid. I
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  was, you know, consulting with companies. I was speaking at
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  events all over the world. I was writing books for Random House,
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  all the things, you know, I just, I had a full roster, and
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  there's only so many hours in the day. And as you know, to do
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  a podcast at a high level and really research your guests and
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  be present and be ready to have the kinds of rich conversations
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  you want to have with somebody. You know, somebody's got a book.
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  I read all their books, if that, you know, you know, it requires
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  a rigor, it requires a presence, and to do it at the level that I
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  wanted to do it at, I just knew that I literally did not have
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  the
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  time. Oh, look, I look, you don't do anything half ass. No,
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  I really don't. You pour your heart into whatever you're
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  doing, because if
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  it's not as as Do you, and that's why we get on so well.
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  Why we met? It was like, Oh, we're sisters from another
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  mother. This is amazing, but, but you know, you know that
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  thing where so it has to be me. For me means, you know, when you
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  just know in your gut, this is what I want to do. This is what
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  I meant to do. This is what I have to do. And it doesn't
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  matter how afraid you are. It doesn't matter what anyone says
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  you go and do it. That's what it has to be me means to me. And so
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  when it was really inspired by the office hours for my 60 day
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  reset in skinny 60s. So every Thursday, any member can come
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  in, and it's just a free for all, meaning anyone can ask me
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  anything about anything. So it could be anything from, oh, I
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  don't like broccoli, but I know I want to eat it. How do I make
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  it taste delicious, too? I can't get my kids to eat vegetables,
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  to my husband and I want to eat different things. What do I do
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  to then it gets quite a bit deeper with other people, of the
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  motivation, the core beliefs, limiting beliefs that in that
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  inform our food and life. Lifestyle choices, our
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  relationship with food, relationship to dieting, maybe
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  not wanting to eat and, you know, maybe feeling like you
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  need to starve yourself. I mean, it goes into you've been on one
• 20:08
  it can go to many, many places, which is what's so beautiful,
• 20:12
  and so it has. The podcast was, was really inspired out of those
• 20:16
  office hours, right on of what I realized was the through line
• 20:20
  for all of us is we know that the I'm not enough, slash, I'm
• 20:25
  too much story. I used to think they were opposites. Now I
• 20:29
  realize it is the same story, just coming at self doubt from a
• 20:32
  different angle and a manifestation. It's what holds
• 20:36
  us back from believing that we can meet the moment believe, you
• 20:41
  know, from stepping into where it has to be me claiming our it
• 20:44
  has to be me going after it with the force of thunder, believing
• 20:49
  that we can have it actually, right? And so when I was
• 20:52
  thinking about the phrases, you know, I'm, as you know, in
• 20:55
  business, I'm very, very strategic, and as a business
• 20:58
  mentor, I reverse engineer everything. So I'm very, very
• 21:01
  into research. I make data driven decisions about
• 21:04
  everything in my life, except for feelings of love and things
• 21:07
  we can't quantify, you know. But if it's a business decision, a
• 21:10
  health decision, I'm going to move I'm going to apply for that
• 21:14
  job, I've got to look at all the data, and then my intuition
• 21:17
  kicks in, and that's what, you know, I put the two things
• 21:19
  together. So when I was thinking about what I was going to call
• 21:24
  it, you know, I went around and around and around, you know,
• 21:27
  this went on for weeks and weeks and weeks and months and months
• 21:30
  as I was mulling this over in my head. And then finally I got to
• 21:33
  a place where I went, what is the phrase where every single
• 21:38
  time I take action, what's the phrase that I hear in my head?
• 21:43
  And it's, it has to be me, that's the phrase. So I went,
• 21:47
  Oh, that that's, that's it. That's the anthem and, and it
• 21:50
  was the it has finding it has to be me, was it? It has to be me
• 21:54
  moment in the sense of the minute, I went, Yes, there was
• 21:58
  no turning back. And then when I got on board with podcast
• 22:01
  producers, they said, so the name? Open to changing that? And
• 22:05
  I went, nope. I said, I'm open to anything else that you
• 22:09
  suggest. But for my podcast, this is the name, and I had this
• 22:12
  three hour Think Tank session with them, and 10 minutes into
• 22:17
  explaining it, they're like, oh God, we get it now. We so get
• 22:20
  it, that's the name, and then everybody was on board, and it
• 22:23
  was, it's been really amazing. But because I was afraid at
• 22:26
  first that it has to be me, anyone that saw it at face value
• 22:30
  would be thinking that it was just me waxing poetic about how
• 22:33
  fantastic I am. It has to be me. I'm amazing, right? And that was
• 22:38
  a really deep core fear in me, you know, particularly as a
• 22:42
  coach, you never want to make it about you. You know, it's always
• 22:47
  got to be about how you can be in service of the other person.
• 22:51
  And it's not to say that I don't share personal anecdotes and
• 22:54
  stories where it's applicable, just often, mainly, the reason
• 22:58
  I'll do it is to show somebody I struggle with this too. I know
• 23:02
  that you're sitting with me as a facilitator and as a leader of
• 23:05
  this experience, thinking she's so confident I can't believe
• 23:08
  that she could ever feel fear. Oh, believe me, I do every
• 23:10
  single day, you know. And I say this often to people when I'm in
• 23:13
  conversation with them, if we accept the premise that we're
• 23:16
  all failing all the time, meaning, though in the moment,
• 23:20
  we believe we can be doing it better. I just mean, for the
• 23:23
  purposes of that conversation, in the beginning, it's a very
• 23:26
  inconvenient truth. It's very uncomfortable. And then when we
• 23:29
  realize that every other person on earth is having the same
• 23:32
  experience in a different way, then it then it becomes a
• 23:36
  liberating truth. And I actually start to laugh when I realize
• 23:40
  that the person I'm talking to is feeling it too their way. And
• 23:43
  I often say that to people, you know, and they're like, oh my
• 23:45
  god, I can't believe that you it doesn't even It's unfathomable
• 23:49
  to me that you're so confident that you could be feeling that
• 23:51
  too. I said, Oh, believe me, I struggle with that too. And I
• 23:54
  use, Yeah, you too, right? And we all do. I just, that's why I
• 23:59
  continue to put tools in my toolbox, and I keep using them
• 24:03
  so that I can show up like this today with you, and I'm going to
• 24:08
  give some of them to you right now. You know, so I know that
• 24:11
  you're very much a coach of that ilk as well. We practice what we
• 24:14
  preach, because you don't ever want to be a fraud like the F
• 24:19
  word. People think the scariest F word is fuck. The scariest F
• 24:22
  word for me is fraud, right? Yeah.
• 24:25
  Well, yeah, I totally, totally get it. And I think, you know
• 24:29
  when we when I was on your show, and we kind of talked about
• 24:31
  this, it's like, you know me, like I said, there's a reason
• 24:35
  why, like, A Course in Miracles really spoke to me. And so much
• 24:37
  is about moving from fear to love. Because, like, I'm a
• 24:40
  person that spent a lot of my lifetime in fiia, and still to
• 24:43
  this day, I think people often also read me as somebody who's,
• 24:47
  like, always wicked confident. And one of the things we talked
• 24:51
  about on when I was on the show was, like, feeling safe enough,
• 24:54
  right? I just have to be like, I just have to get over that lip
• 24:58
  and be like, Look, we're gonna do this. Thing. So we can either
• 25:01
  do it like terrified, or we can try to find some fun in it, and
• 25:04
  just feels enough safety in my nervous system where we can,
• 25:07
  like, get out of that fight and flight experience. So yeah, I
• 25:11
  mean, I do think it's really beautiful, and I've seen you in
• 25:14
  action, coaching, in your programs and stuff like that,
• 25:18
  which is kind of where I want to start to lean in, because I made
• 25:21
  that comment, like, You're famous in your own way, like
• 25:24
  people who don't know you know, you know you are going to be
• 25:26
  like, What are you talking about? So when I read the you
• 25:29
  know, told people about your bio and who you are, like, one of
• 25:32
  the first things is that you're an author, and you've written
• 25:35
  three books. What? And not only did you write three books like,
• 25:38
  man, these were like, bing, bing, bing. 2014 2015 2016 I
• 25:42
  like back to back to back to back. That is no joke number
• 25:46
  one. And this is your, your first book, right here. It's
• 25:49
  beautiful, right? The Blended girl, I'm holding it up, yep.
• 25:53
  And so this book, the blended girl, so here's the thing,
• 25:57
  though, in your first book, in this one, the blender girl, you
• 26:01
  said, So the first book is the blender girl, the second one
• 26:04
  from 2015 is the blender girl, smoothies. And then the third
• 26:08
  one that came out is called the perfect blend. And like, I could
• 26:12
  spend just so much time talking about this, I'm going to try to
• 26:15
  not, like, drag it on. But here's the thing in in your
• 26:19
  first book, The blender girl, you have this great story in the
• 26:22
  intro where you say, like, I became the blend of Girl by
• 26:25
  accident, and you find that take us, right? I mean, isn't that? I
• 26:29
  mean, I can read your exact words. Yeah. I
• 26:36
  love speaking to someone that's so detail orientated, as I am,
• 26:41
  because you just don't forget anything. So it's fabulous. That
• 26:44
  is exactly what I wrote,
• 26:46
  yeah, and so. But it goes back though, to when you were telling
• 26:50
  us about your childhood, and I said, you know, did your
• 26:53
  childhood like influence the work you do now and as a kid
• 26:57
  like I think, please forgive me if I'm getting this wrong,
• 27:00
  because I'm like the little guys in my brain. It's like a little
• 27:04
  it's a little library up there, and I'm having them go through
• 27:07
  the Dewey Decimal system right now, pulling some things up. But
• 27:10
  I almost could have sworn that when you were a kid, your father
• 27:13
  called you mouse, yes, like you love cheese or something as a
• 27:19
  kid, and then that all changed, though, right? So, Epstein BA,
• 27:24
  like you were diagnosed, and then it started this whole
• 27:27
  journey, and like you were, like, even a perfectionist
• 27:30
  around your food, like you said something like, if I'm going to,
• 27:34
  I'm gonna, I'm gonna heal myself, even if it kills me, or
• 27:37
  something like that, wicked. But is what I said, okay, so take us
• 27:41
  back to like, because look at you guys, just for one second.
• 27:45
  It might be a little you might feel a little cringey saying
• 27:48
  this, but I want people to understand the scope of your
• 27:50
  influence. The blend of girl had, like, millions, I'm not
• 27:55
  making that up, right? Like millions of like followers and
• 27:59
  like the whole thing. Yes, that it started out of your own
• 28:03
  desire to feel better in your body, in your like, literally,
• 28:07
  like walking around the world feeling kind of like shit,
• 28:10
  feeling lethargic. All this stuff started when you were
• 28:13
  younger, and then, like, it took you on this whole journey, and
• 28:16
  then you become, like, this massive success of the blender
• 28:19
  girl, three books from Random House. You know, it started,
• 28:22
  like, with the blog, blah, but, but tell us that journey and,
• 28:25
  like, how we get to be the blender girl?
• 28:29
  I know it's, it's, it's, it's amazing. You know, if you had
• 28:32
  said to me 15 years ago, you're going to become this, this
• 28:38
  expert in blenders and write all these books about healthy
• 28:42
  living, I just would have gone, I'm sorry, are you talking to
• 28:44
  the same person, you know? I mean, it just life takes you on
• 28:49
  a journey, and you just go with it, like water, you know. You
• 28:52
  just go with the flow. That's what I meant by I became, you
• 28:55
  know, it found me, but I also was looking for it at the same
• 28:58
  time. So, yeah, I, you know, grew up in a pretty conventional
• 29:03
  meat and three veg, you know, family, my mother cooked food
• 29:06
  from scratch. We didn't eat a lot of fast food, you know, we
• 29:09
  had a lot of healthy food, so that was ingrained in me at a
• 29:12
  young age. But we enjoyed our food. You know, I ate cakes and
• 29:16
  two minute noodles, just like everybody else, and then when I
• 29:22
  was a teenager, I just became debilitated with extreme
• 29:26
  lethargy. And as someone who always had a lot of energy, this
• 29:30
  overlook, yeah, right, yeah. And it was, it was really, really
• 29:35
  debilitating. And I did, you know, I told this story, you
• 29:39
  know, in the first episode of my podcast, where my family is a
• 29:43
  family of singers and performers, and my one of my
• 29:46
  favorite thing to do in the world was stand around the piano
• 29:49
  with all my relatives and belt out tunes. And this one day, I
• 29:53
  just couldn't do it. I had to go and lie down. And life was
• 29:57
  running away from me, and my mum came in. Said, What is wrong?
• 30:01
  Like, you love this. I said, I know. And I just burst into
• 30:04
  tears. I was diagnosed with Epstein Barr Virus, which is a
• 30:10
  similar disorder to chronic fatigue. You're just, it's
• 30:12
  debilitating. You just want to sleep all the time. And this
• 30:15
  was, you know, I'm 52 now, so this was many, many years ago.
• 30:19
  And so my mother, to her credit, you know, the doctor said,
• 30:22
  there's just nothing you can do but just sleep. And my mum said,
• 30:25
  Oh, no, we're not we're proactive people. No no. So she
• 30:29
  just left no stone unturned. I will thank her to my dying
• 30:32
  breath for this. She took me to a naturopath. He suggested that
• 30:37
  I change my diet to empower myself my body to feel better.
• 30:42
  So suggested that I refrain from eating gluten and dairy, refined
• 30:46
  sugars, go into a really whole food, clean diet. Look at my
• 30:50
  protein. I am not a celiac. I'm not, you know, dairy intolerant,
• 30:58
  necessarily. In that sense, lactose intolerant, let's say,
• 31:02
  but that's, there's, that's only one form of dairy intolerance.
• 31:05
  But I felt better within 48 hours, and then I just continued
• 31:11
  to feel better and better and better as I moved into a more
• 31:14
  nuanced place with what I was doing. And that really was the
• 31:18
  impetus into a revolution, into the way that I ate. So then I
• 31:22
  became obsessed. I mean, obsessed I was, you know, we all
• 31:26
  know someone like this who finds the answer every six months and
• 31:30
  wants to recruit everybody that they know, you know. So I became
• 31:33
  quite dogmatic and preachy and oh my god, I was vegan, I was
• 31:38
  vegetarian, I was gluten free, I was pretty can. I was keto.
• 31:42
  Before it was free, I was macrobiotic. Yeah, I was
• 31:45
  macrobiotic for a number of years. Me too, yeah, yeah,
• 31:49
  really beautiful. And then when I turned 18, my old age of 18,
• 31:56
  but yeah, with your dad right where, yeah, yeah, I, you know,
• 32:01
  we went to this really fancy restaurant. We'd all been
• 32:04
  dreaming of going to super expensive, you know, blah, blah,
• 32:06
  blah. And then, you know, the waiter comes, wants to tell us
• 32:09
  the specials. And I said, Oh, look, um, you know, thank you,
• 32:12
  but I can't eat this, and I can't eat this. And my dad goes,
• 32:15
  Can you, can you just give us a minute? And my dad just said,
• 32:19
  Okay, you're 18 now. So there's something I've been wanting to
• 32:21
  say to you for a long time, and I think you can finally handle
• 32:24
  it. He said, we are exhausted. Watching you eat, watching you
• 32:30
  order, watching you deprive yourself, and watching you tell
• 32:32
  the waiter for 15 minutes all the things that you can't have.
• 32:36
  What about all the things that you can have because life and
• 32:40
  love and hope and and joy is about what you add, not about
• 32:47
  what you take away. And he said, food is one of the great
• 32:51
  pleasures of life. It should be fun, don't you think so? Let's
• 32:56
  try this again. And it was really hard to hear, but he was
• 33:02
  right. He was right. And again, it was another tent pole in my
• 33:06
  life that health is not about dogma. It's not about rigidity.
• 33:13
  The keys to health and happiness is about flexibility. You can be
• 33:17
  committed to your choices, but flexible with your approach. And
• 33:21
  so from that moment, I realized that all these different things
• 33:26
  that I was obsessively buying into that that was the answer.
• 33:29
  Now that was the answer. All of them had something to offer, but
• 33:34
  none of them was one size fits all. And as we age, our needs
• 33:39
  change our hormones, change our activity levels, change
• 33:42
  medications we might be on all these different things. So of
• 33:45
  course, we have to be fluid with it. So that was I was incredibly
• 33:49
  grateful that I learned that from a very, very young age. So
• 33:53
  then flash forward when I was living in Missouri, in
• 33:58
  Springfield, Missouri, in a smaller city, and, you know, I
• 34:03
  was fortunate. I was married, you know, to the love of my
• 34:06
  life, and we had a lot of money, and I didn't have to work, you
• 34:10
  know, but I wanted to work. I'm a worker, but at that time, you
• 34:13
  know, I didn't have my green card. I wasn't an American
• 34:15
  citizen. I couldn't legally work there, so I was flying back and
• 34:18
  forth until we were married, and I couldn't actually work. So
• 34:21
  when I was there, I was volunteering and being active,
• 34:24
  but, you know, I wasn't working as much. I was doing voiceovers,
• 34:26
  you know, remotely, and things like that, but I wasn't had to
• 34:29
  have a full time job. And he said, why don't you start a
• 34:33
  blog?
• 34:35
  This was your win, your
• 34:35
  husband at the time, my husband at the time, you know, who was a
• 34:38
  brilliant, brilliant man, an entrepreneur, you know, always
• 34:42
  an early adapter or a forward thinker, a visionary. I mean, he
• 34:46
  really, really was an impresario in many, many respects. I
• 34:48
  learned a lot from him about business. For sure. Said, Why
• 34:52
  you start a blog? And I said, Excuse me. And he said, Well,
• 34:55
  just sharing your journey with food. I went, I'm not a chef.
• 34:58
  What have I got to show he goes, Well, every. Time you've got
• 35:00
  people over for dinner, everybody asked, what you made,
• 35:02
  because it's so delicious. So just share your journey with
• 35:04
  food. Find a unique perspective, something that's not being done.
• 35:08
  And I went, Oh. And so then I went into full research mode,
• 35:13
  and he helped me, you know, and I was always using my blender
• 35:17
  for all these different
• 35:18
  things. Can I ask a clarifying question? Yeah. Okay. So when
• 35:23
  you were trying all of those different diets, and you said
• 35:26
  you were getting a little dogmatic, and every six months,
• 35:29
  it was like, now, this, now, this, now, this was it still in
• 35:32
  service to trying to feel better. Be like, Yes, right? So
• 35:39
  that was the thing, though, it wasn't just like you then
• 35:41
  became, you became obsessive, or obsessed about discovering
• 35:46
  things, learning things, trying things, but it was still in
• 35:49
  service to trying to feel better, because I think so many
• 35:52
  oh gosh, yes, no, I just wanted to. I wanted to have energy.
• 35:57
  Yes, I wanted to have energy because I was just so thirsty
• 36:00
  and wanted to do every single thing that I wanted to do,
• 36:03
  right? So I still didn't have as much energy as I wanted to have.
• 36:08
  I'm with you now. Okay, yeah, thank you for asking me to
• 36:11
  clarify. Yeah, kind of like continues and like, so you're
• 36:15
  trying all these things, and so even when you say to your I
• 36:19
  would say your sweetie at the time, like, I'm not like
• 36:22
  whatever. But does some part of you get that you are really good
• 36:27
  at preparing food? Like, did it not clock to you how every time
• 36:32
  you had people over, like, they loved what you were making in
• 36:35
  your recipes, and they wanted to know what it was like, could,
• 36:38
  did you
• 36:39
  just not? But I did. I did, but, but, but, you're right. You
• 36:43
  know, I still thought, oh, it's in my little, small circle of of
• 36:47
  the world, my little, small circle of friends. And, you
• 36:50
  know, it wasn't until much later that I realized sometimes the
• 36:54
  best teacher for a third grader is a fourth grader. And we don't
• 36:59
  have to be the world's foremost authority on something for our
• 37:02
  voice to matter. And so in that moment, I wasn't embodying the
• 37:06
  lesson that I had learned, you know, way back when, what we
• 37:10
  talked about, and the lessons that I've been accumulating
• 37:13
  that, yeah, my friends, if my friends were interested in this,
• 37:16
  odds are hundreds of 1000s of other people would be too, and
• 37:19
  they were, you know. So it was a real lesson, but thank you for
• 37:23
  clarifying, because it was born out of a real need to want to be
• 37:28
  the best version of myself, that I wanted to have energy. I
• 37:31
  wanted to really live life fully and take it by the balls and
• 37:34
  suck the marrow out of things, and I still was quite tired, and
• 37:37
  it was because I wasn't meeting my protein needs, and I wasn't I
• 37:40
  hadn't found the test diet, just like you want to find the Karen
• 37:44
  diet. You know that I was looking to put myself into a box
• 37:49
  that I didn't fit in, which is, I think, the biggest mistake
• 37:51
  that most people make, that they think that there's one one size
• 37:55
  fits all with diets, and there is no one diet that works for
• 37:58
  every single person. We all have different we're bio individual
• 38:01
  beings. And so once I embraced this concept of bio
• 38:06
  individuality and really started to move with it, the more I
• 38:09
  realized, Oh, the blender is a metaphor for that. Yeah. I
• 38:14
  was just gonna ask you that. Yeah. Next question, yeah. So
• 38:18
  let's tell them talk about that. Yeah.
• 38:20
  Like I was sitting there in my house looking at all these
• 38:23
  different ways I use my blender, and then I went, that is
• 38:26
  actually how I live my life and how I believe we all live our
• 38:30
  lives. We blend different notes and flavors, philosophies,
• 38:33
  cultures, experiences, lessons, hobbies, relationships, etc, to
• 38:40
  find our perfect blend for health and happiness, and that
• 38:43
  perfect blend changes, and it can change, and we want to keep
• 38:47
  giving ourselves permission for it to change. We're not chasing
• 38:50
  static goals. And the thing I also love about the blender is
• 38:54
  you can't screw it up. We're going to blend it anyway, right?
• 38:58
  And I think it really levels the playing field in the kitchen,
• 39:01
  that if you can read and you can pick things up and you can throw
• 39:06
  them in the blender, you can start cooking. And that's what I
• 39:09
  really sort of democratizes things, and it makes healthy,
• 39:13
  healthy fast food, possible. And so I'm making it's not just
• 39:17
  smoothies, it's not just soups. You don't coat check your teeth
• 39:19
  at the door with Blender cuisine, as I like to call it,
• 39:22
  I'm using the blender for an element of the dish. So it might
• 39:25
  be the source that goes on, something I might be, you know,
• 39:28
  smooshing the burgers. I might be, you know, there's all kinds
• 39:31
  of, you know, full meals and snacks and appetizers and
• 39:33
  desserts and everything else, drinks, etc. So then, you know,
• 39:38
  flash forward. I started this, this blog, and again, this is
• 39:40
  where the strategy came in. I literally ready for this. I
• 39:43
  backdated my posts for a year. I did a year's 52 posts. I
• 39:48
  launched the blog with 52 posts because I didn't want to look
• 39:51
  like I only had one post, right? And I seoed the shit out of that
• 39:56
  website. I mean,
• 39:57
  to the listeners who don't. Who aren't business.
• 40:04
  You know, before the land of AI search and stuff like, it's
• 40:06
  changed dramatically. But, you know, I really optimize that
• 40:10
  website for internet search. So if somebody was searching for
• 40:14
  blender recipes or what to do with my vitamins, I would pop
• 40:18
  up. And so I did, you know, with Rob's help, did very well with
• 40:22
  that. And so very, very quickly, you know, chow.com and CBS
• 40:27
  interactive reached out to me, and it was sort of off to the
• 40:29
  races from there. They just said, Who's how do we not know
• 40:32
  about you? And I literally said, because I've been blogging for a
• 40:35
  nanosecond. And she went Tell me about that. I said, Well, I
• 40:37
  backed my post because I didn't want to look like I had nothing
• 40:40
  to offer. And she goes, what? And she goes, Oh, we've got to
• 40:43
  interview you about this. This is incredible, right? So I was
• 40:46
  just very honest from the any other way to be, but I was very
• 40:49
  honest. And I went and I did some videos with them. I took my
• 40:52
  Vitamix and then Vitamix came to me and asked me to do all their
• 40:55
  videos for the Vitamix 750 we launched that with Jody Berg,
• 40:59
  the CEO of the company. And then then then I then that's where my
• 41:01
  work with companies started. And then I didn't realize that I had
• 41:04
  that ability to be strategic in that way. So that opened up that
• 41:09
  whole strategic part of me where I didn't realize that that's
• 41:14
  what I was doing quite in that way. Okay, and can
• 41:17
  I interrupt again? I'm being rude, I know, but please,
• 41:20
  I can just sort of go on and on and on,
• 41:23
  but you keep using this word, like, strategic. And sometimes
• 41:28
  we look at that word and we think, like, like, so like,
• 41:33
  what, like you were being strategic, like you just wanted
• 41:35
  to whatever. But when you're using that word, like, what was
• 41:39
  going through your head, because you're like, I started, like,
• 41:41
  sitting in my house, in my sweetie, saying, Stata, blog,
• 41:45
  like all things test, you don't just write one, you write two,
• 41:50
  one a week, and you dump it on the internet, which all sudden,
• 41:54
  Google's like, whoa, we can find this girl. So you get found and
• 41:58
  you're in. La, yes at this time,
• 42:00
  no, I'm still in Springfield, Missouri, Missouri. Okay,
• 42:03
  yes, you're in Missouri. So somehow, so, like you said,
• 42:06
  Chow, or whatever, chow.com. CBS, they start to pick it up,
• 42:10
  and then Vitamix is like,
• 42:12
  No, I went and did some videos. I flew to San Francisco and shot
• 42:15
  some videos, and they put them on their platform. You must be
• 42:17
  like,
• 42:17
  your head must have been spinning, like, what is
• 42:19
  happening? But, well, yeah, my point is, when you say
• 42:22
  strategic, what was your end goal? Like, what were you
• 42:27
  strategizing towards in this strategy, strategic thinking
• 42:31
  that you were doing? Like, what did you have an idea or a dream
• 42:34
  or a vision?
• 42:35
  Absolutely so in the beginning, it was just to share my
• 42:38
  relationship with food and to do something meaningful, help
• 42:43
  people with their health, help people to cook delicious plant
• 42:47
  based recipes and make vegetables taste delicious and
• 42:51
  like anything that I do, then I have to do it at the highest
• 42:55
  level. No, you know, that's just, that's just who I am, and
• 42:59
  I've learned to not apologize for that, you know, I am an
• 43:02
  ambitious person. I want to always be doing things at the
• 43:05
  highest level. And so then, yeah, I was going to turn that
• 43:09
  into a huge thing. And then I also decided I wanted to bring
• 43:14
  the blending and juicing space out of the 1970s and turned it
• 43:17
  into a really chic, aspirational thing, you know, and be. And at
• 43:21
  that point, nobody was really doing anything beyond juices and
• 43:24
  smoothies with it, and I was using it for compost and
• 43:26
  cleaning products and burgers and all these other things. And
• 43:29
  so I kind of really, really wanted to revolutionize the
• 43:32
  space, and we did. It was very exciting. And so I didn't had a
• 43:37
  lot of opportunities. It was really, really a fun time. And
• 43:40
  then I got to, you know, work with the designers and engineers
• 43:43
  on blenders. And it was really, really cool, you know, because
• 43:45
  then I started, I bought pretty much every blender that was sold
• 43:48
  on Earth, you know, because I wanted to test all my recipes on
• 43:51
  a bunch of different blenders, not just a $700 Blender. I
• 43:54
  wanted to do it in a $70 blender, you know, so that
• 43:57
  anybody could make these recipes on any budget and any lifestyle,
• 44:01
  you know. So I test my recipes at least 50 times before they go
• 44:04
  into my books, because they have to work for anybody with any
• 44:07
  kind of blender, you know. So in any situation. So I was, I have
• 44:11
  a very rigorous recipe development process. So, you
• 44:15
  know, I when you use them all, you start to really notice the
• 44:19
  difference between different machines. And that's when that
• 44:23
  part of my life started to open up, because I was sort of
• 44:25
  unofficially giving feedback to companies, and then they started
• 44:29
  coming, coming to me, going, um, our engineer wants to speak to
• 44:34
  you. Would that be all right? Because they're just really
• 44:36
  interested in that feedback, because it's pretty bang on and
• 44:40
  that's when, that's when, when you said, if you told me that
• 44:43
  companies were going to pay me an insane amount of money to to
• 44:47
  to consult about developing product, I would have just
• 44:50
  laughed, you know, but you what do we get better at what we
• 44:54
  practice? And so I just was blending, you know, 100 times a
• 44:58
  day when I was developing. These books and these recipes for the
• 45:01
  blog and recipes for companies and whatever, whatever. So I was
• 45:04
  using a lot of different machines a lot, and so it became
• 45:07
  very clear to me what made a good blender and what did not
• 45:10
  make a good blender, you know. And so I sort of came up with my
• 45:14
  own methodology around that, you know, it was very much. I was
• 45:17
  very much self taught, but, but the feedback was useful,
• 45:21
  thankfully, and a bunch of different companies have used
• 45:24
  it, which is amazing.
• 45:25
  What I think is incredible is I can look back at your childhood
• 45:29
  and I can see all the pieces, all the pieces. A normal,
• 45:33
  average person who is first of all, just writing a blog at home
• 45:39
  is not most writers I know are like, don't put a fucking camera
• 45:42
  near me. I don't want to do video. Most podcasts, a lot of
• 45:45
  podcasters I know, are like, don't turn on a camera. I'm not
• 45:48
  posting this to YouTube. Most writers are like, Oh, I got to
• 45:51
  take a picture for my author picture at the back jacket.
• 45:54
  Like, but when these people came knocking, first of all, you're
• 45:59
  an actress, they're like, make a video. You're like, sure, you
• 46:02
  know what I mean? Like, yeah,
• 46:03
  look, I was very, very fortunate. You're right, you
• 46:06
  know, because I Yeah, place
• 46:08
  which is beautiful. It was like your life was preparing you for
• 46:12
  this moment. It was like the divine had dropped these
• 46:15
  breadcrumbs that like when the time came. And also by virtue of
• 46:20
  you and your own hard work ethic and who you are, and the fact
• 46:23
  that you're a bright light, and you're, first of all, easy on
• 46:26
  the eyes, easy to look at, easy to look at, great to listen to,
• 46:31
  great. I mean, you're a voice over actor. For people who don't
• 46:34
  know that, want to tell a little people what that act I know,
• 46:36
  most people do know, but for people who might not know you
• 46:39
  also do that work, which is, I don't want to speak for you, so
• 46:42
  you
• 46:43
  will, no, no, it's okay. No, you're right. At that point, I
• 46:45
  had been the voice of, you know, Clairol, and I'd done ads for
• 46:49
  target and Motorola, huge companies, you know, I'd done
• 46:52
  1000s of commercials. And so, you know, voicing commercials, I
• 46:57
  later on, you know, have voiced characters in video games and
• 47:00
  short form narration, long form narration, audio books, all
• 47:03
  kinds of stuff. So I was very comfortable on camera and very
• 47:07
  comfortable public speaking. And, you know, that's, you know,
• 47:09
  most people that they're more afraid of that than death, yeah,
• 47:12
  so I, but I wasn't a writer. I didn't consider myself to be a
• 47:16
  writer like we all. We are all writers, by the way. We're all
• 47:19
  writing emails and writing notes to ourselves and all the things,
• 47:21
  you know, but I hadn't done any real formal writing at that
• 47:25
  point, but everything else I had done at a high level. So I was
• 47:29
  very, very fortunate that I had the whole package, so to speak,
• 47:33
  which is how people were phrasing it when they were
• 47:35
  coming to me. You know, that I had a skill set that I could
• 47:38
  leverage to be the spokesperson for KitchenAid to, you know, do
• 47:42
  the videos for Vitamix, to do videos for these other companies
• 47:45
  to work with, you know, different hotel chains and
• 47:47
  restaurant chains and all the all the companies that I've
• 47:49
  worked with now, it did serve me very well. My I was able to
• 47:53
  bring all of my talents and skills together in service of
• 47:58
  this, you know, because we are in, you know, an age where video
• 48:02
  is the king of content, you know. So I was extremely
• 48:06
  fortunate that I already had
• 48:07
  that skill. Oh, my God. I mean, there's so much like, I feel
• 48:10
  like I'm like, and I know we have a hard stop, and so I want
• 48:13
  to definitely talk about your programs, but I can't pass it
• 48:16
  by, because, hello, just curious person. And when you when
• 48:19
  somebody drops bread crumbs in a conversation, I My brain's kind
• 48:22
  of like putting the pieces together. So you mentioned Rob,
• 48:27
  right? You mentioned your your sweetie, who was instrumental in
• 48:31
  helping you kind of kick off this thing. And you also
• 48:34
  mentioned that he was an entrepreneur, and that he was
• 48:38
  brilliant. He was this brilliant man. And I seem to remember a
• 48:42
  story of, like, how you guys first met, like, didn't you meet
• 48:46
  a friend? And then the friend called her brother and said, I
• 48:49
  met the woman you're gonna Oh, yeah. I mean, that's him, yeah,
• 48:52
  he called it that, right? The system your friend, you met a
• 48:56
  friend, yes, and that friend was the sister to your future
• 49:00
  husband, and then you also mentioned, I'm single for the
• 49:04
  first time in my life, so robbing you that's no longer
• 49:09
  like, can you tell
• 49:09
  like, yeah, yeah, no. I mean, I
• 49:13
  did he get to see you become really famous and kicking
• 49:16
  you know? I don't, I don't know. I don't know if he ever really
• 49:21
  knew about that, because I had not. He has passed away now, but
• 49:26
  I don't know if he ever saw my books. I would imagine that he
• 49:30
  did, but I don't know. We didn't have an I didn't have any hadn't
• 49:33
  had any contact with him for 15 years prior to him dying. But he
• 49:39
  No he he he was an alcoholic, he was a drug addict. He was an
• 49:43
  addict of every description. And he had a troubled childhood. He
• 49:49
  was running away, you know, from a lot of things and not being
• 49:53
  honest about what he wanted. And yeah, he. You overdosed, and
• 50:01
  there were, you know, he was in and out of treatment centers. It
• 50:03
  was really, really traumatic, and he was in a lot of pain.
• 50:07
  And, oh, I would have stayed with that and and run that
• 50:12
  marathon with him, but he just didn't want to be married.
• 50:16
  Didn't want to be married to me. And, you know, basically came to
• 50:20
  me and told me that, and I just didn't want to let it go. And I
• 50:23
  was pushing and pushing, we're meant to be together, you know?
• 50:26
  And finally, it just wasn't any use. So I was devastated,
• 50:31
  utterly heartbroken, the most pain I've ever been in in my
• 50:36
  entire life, and that story was gut wrenching, and that's why I
• 50:41
  moved out to LA, and because I thought, You know what? I I love
• 50:47
  LA. I love America. You know, I've spent more of my life here,
• 50:51
  you know, more of my life in America than I have anywhere
• 50:53
  else at this point in my life. But back then, I went, you know
• 50:56
  what? I didn't get anything from this, but a broken heart and a
• 50:59
  lot of lessons. I'm taking this for a spin. I'm not ready to
• 51:03
  return to Australia, so I decided, you know, this is, this
• 51:06
  is the land of opportunity and entertainment and story and all
• 51:10
  the things. And I'm so glad that I stayed, because it was
• 51:12
  extraordinary and but that that experience was the making of me
• 51:16
  in so many ways. And I think for the rest of my life, he will be.
• 51:21
  And that story, that chapter of my life, will be one of my
• 51:24
  greatest teachers, if not the greatest teacher.
• 51:28
  It's such a tender thing, and it still is and always will be.
• 51:33
  Yeah. I mean, it was a beautiful beginning. It was like Kismet.
• 51:37
  It was like divinely, you know,
• 51:39
  God, we have the same, we had the same birthday. So crazy.
• 51:43
  It's like
• 51:44
  I and I try to picture him in my head. Was he also really? Was
• 51:48
  he? Was he nice to look at? Was he a good oh, he was gorgeous.
• 51:52
  He was gorgeous, and he was sweet, and he was kind, and he
• 51:56
  was gentle, he was brilliant. He struggled brilliant, and he was
• 52:01
  so troubled, all at the same time, all at the same
• 52:04
  time, and how, what were you? What age were you guys, when you
• 52:08
  were together, when you were
• 52:09
  partnering? Yeah, I was 30. I was 30 and and then when we
• 52:13
  separated, I was 37 Yeah, but we, but we had been friends for
• 52:18
  seven years prior to that, so I knew him, yeah, the phone calls,
• 52:23
  yeah, I knew him. You know, really, I knew him since I was
• 52:26
  22 so we fell we fell in love over the phone. We spoke on the
• 52:30
  phone for seven years,
• 52:32
  okay? And then you finally met in person
• 52:35
  in Hawaii, he said, let's meet halfway. Let's just meet
• 52:39
  halfway, and just see what this is. And it was an it has to be
• 52:43
  me moment. I didn't even hesitate. Like my friends were
• 52:46
  like, Are you sure you want to do this? I went, Yeah, I'm
• 52:49
  really sure, because otherwise I'll never know. And when I saw
• 52:53
  him and I met him, and we were together in person, it was just
• 52:56
  electric, like it was like, my body, my soul, belonged to him,
• 53:00
  and he felt the same way. And it was just, I have to be with him
• 53:03
  no matter what it costs me, no matter what I mean, I literally
• 53:06
  gave up so many things in my life to be with him. And I don't
• 53:12
  regret it. I don't regret it because even though I missed out
• 53:14
  on a lot of very big opportunities in my career, I
• 53:19
  the lessons that I got, and I wouldn't be where I am today
• 53:23
  because of it. And this was clearly the path that I was
• 53:25
  meant to be on in this life. And I just trust it. And like I
• 53:29
  said, it brought me to this moment and and I will say, as a
• 53:33
  coach, because you know, you know you and I have spoken about
• 53:37
  this, we're both very, very intuitive. So that intuition in
• 53:41
  me, those intuitive hits that I get when I'm coaching people,
• 53:44
  they're getting stronger and stronger. And I really, truly
• 53:48
  believe that it was that chapter that really was the beginning of
• 53:51
  me honing those skills, even though I wasn't really listening
• 53:54
  to them as much as I should have been back then, because I was
• 53:57
  just in so much pain, and I wanted to see what I wanted to
• 54:00
  see. You know, as we, as we all, do when we're in pain, but when
• 54:04
  I'm coaching somebody else, you know, you can see it a lot more
• 54:07
  clearly when you're not inside of it, you know. And I believe
• 54:11
  that I'm able to be present with people and meet them with
• 54:15
  compassion, because I truly understand what it's like to be
• 54:19
  on your knees and want to die. And prior to that experience, I,
• 54:24
  I would say I had a pretty charmed life, you know, I had an
• 54:28
  amazing family. There wasn't a lot of tragedy in our lives.
• 54:32
  Unlike you, Karen, you know, we you, you met that tragedy very
• 54:35
  early on in your life. I did not. And so, you know, I could
• 54:40
  imagine I was, I had a lot of empathy, and my imagination was
• 54:44
  very powerful as an actor, you know, I could imagine what it
• 54:47
  felt like to have a broken heart, but I'd never had one.
• 54:50
  And so now I have a visceral relationship with that pain.
• 54:54
  And, you know, addiction, when you put alcoholism, drug
• 54:57
  addiction, sex addiction, and all these addictions on top of.
• 55:00
  It. They're all diseases of denial. And going to Al Anon was
• 55:04
  really life changing for me because, you know, right? Yeah,
• 55:08
  because, you know, you went before you go, you think the
• 55:11
  addicts, the one with the problem, I can fix things. I've
• 55:14
  got my shit together, and they're a hot mess. You know,
• 55:16
  that's kind of seriously. I was very arrogant. That's how I
• 55:19
  felt. Oh, poor Rob, he's got all these problems. Then you go to
• 55:22
  Al Anon, and you realize you're just as sick as the addict.
• 55:24
  You've got a different kind of addiction, you've got a
• 55:27
  different kind of addiction, and a different kind of your code.
• 55:30
  You're playing into the codependence in a different way.
• 55:33
  So being in the program was, was a huge, huge series of it has to
• 55:38
  be me's as well, you know. And I credit that every day, you know,
• 55:41
  I still have hope for today, courage for today by my bed, you
• 55:44
  know. And they're beautiful reminders, you know. And the
• 55:47
  Serenity Prayer, you know, is a beautiful way to move through
• 55:51
  the world as well, but you know. And then another phrase that I
• 55:54
  think about from Al Anon is worrying is like a rocking
• 55:57
  chair, it gives you something to do, but in the end gets you
• 56:00
  nowhere. And I was a chronic worrier, and now I'm not,
• 56:05
  because I want to put my energy into manifesting and making the
• 56:08
  things that I want come into fruition, not spending my time
• 56:12
  feeding what I don't want to happen. And so yeah, it was, it
• 56:17
  was, it was a beautiful gift in my life that came accompanied
• 56:22
  with a lot of pain, and now it's just incredibly liberating, and
• 56:27
  it's it, it carries me. It carries me with everything I do.
• 56:32
  I, first of all, I'm so sorry to hear that he's no longer with
• 56:36
  us. And yeah,
• 56:36
  he killed himself. He finally killed himself. He tried many,
• 56:40
  many times before we were together, while we were
• 56:43
  together, and then he finally did it. And you know, I'm just
• 56:46
  grateful that on my watch, so to speak, I was able to save his
• 56:49
  life. I mean, what a privilege to be able to save a human
• 56:52
  being's life. You know, I had to wade through water. I almost
• 56:55
  drowned. I was in the ambulance with him. He died three times on
• 56:59
  the way to the hospital. I watched them intubate him and
• 57:01
  cut his clothes off. I mean, it was just harrowing. And then he
• 57:04
  was in intensive care. It was, was really full on. And then he
• 57:08
  finally
• 57:09
  survived that. And then it was after you, after you were
• 57:12
  divorced, or after you were split up,
• 57:13
  after we were divorced, yeah, many, many years later, by the
• 57:16
  way, many years later. So, yeah, yeah. Three years ago, three
• 57:21
  years ago, he he killed himself. Oh, just three years ago. Yes,
• 57:25
  yes. Oh, my God. And, you know, I knew, I knew, like, I felt it,
• 57:29
  I felt it, you know, we were that connected. So, yeah. And
• 57:33
  then my friend called, and the minute I picked up the phone,
• 57:36
  yes, yeah, yeah, I'm so sorry, yeah.
• 57:40
  I mean, you know what that's like with your mother? You know
• 57:43
  it's,
• 57:43
  I mean that. I mean, yeah, I mean that loss and pain of that
• 57:50
  magnitude, it totally brings you to your knees. And I also think
• 57:56
  it can be when. I always say when and if it's not. I can't
• 58:01
  speak for other people. It's their journey. But for me, it
• 58:04
  can be an incredible doorway as well. It can open a door to, oh,
• 58:09
  absolutely different way, many doors living, way being, in
• 58:13
  thinking, and it clearly has for you. And I think that, like,
• 58:17
  it's so interesting, right? I sometimes think this about
• 58:20
  coaches, you know, like, one of the things I love, Mr. Rogers,
• 58:24
  Mr. Fred Rogers, I told you that before. And you know, there's
• 58:28
  that great quote from his mom, like, when scary things happen
• 58:31
  or big things, traumatic things happen in the world, look for
• 58:34
  the helpers. They'll always be helpers. And I often think that
• 58:38
  coaches are just like, I jokingly say it like, you know,
• 58:42
  but we're like, kind of codependent helpers, like we
• 58:44
  love to help, like we love to fucking help. You got a problem?
• 58:48
  Like, problem solvers, anonymous, I should go to a
• 58:51
  problem solvers. If there's a problem I'm there, like, I'm in,
• 58:54
  you know, drama. I'm not into drama, but I love solving a good
• 58:59
  problem, right? Let yo you got a thing. Let me help you, right?
• 59:01
  Okay, which leads us kind of into, you know, Blender girl,
• 59:08
  all this stuff, fame, Vitamix, this that you're still doing
• 59:11
  some acting. You're doing all these beautiful things, and
• 59:14
  then, like, what happens inside of you when you go from talking
• 59:19
  to the masses on mass scale with like, books and a blog and the
• 59:24
  videos and the representing and the speaking on stages, and I'm
• 59:27
  doing all this stuff to going like, I want to get intimate
• 59:31
  with people. Like, I want to get in a program, in a group where
• 59:35
  there's like, people can talk to me, people can talk to my
• 59:39
  dieticians, because, again, you don't do anything half ass. And
• 59:42
  I think so many programs, right, there's, there's nutritional
• 59:46
  coaches and whatever, but dietitians is a whole other
• 59:49
  level. So you created these programs to help people. And I
• 59:54
  don't want to speak, I was lucky enough to go through one of your
• 59:57
  programs because, you know, we've talked about it. I. Never
• 1:00:00
  like to really talk about a thing or promote a thing or
• 1:00:03
  share a thing unless I've had the experience
• 1:00:05
  myself. I'm the same way. I'm exactly the same way. I have so
• 1:00:09
  much respect for you in that regard, because I'm exactly the
• 1:00:11
  same way. Yeah, speak about something with any kind of
• 1:00:14
  authority if you haven't experienced it. Yeah?
• 1:00:16
  And I want to know, like, what's it like to be in that face
• 1:00:18
  group? What's it like? And I can just say, and I can share my own
• 1:00:22
  thoughts about, I can share, I can talk about you to your face
• 1:00:25
  in a few minutes. But like, what happens when you go from this
• 1:00:28
  massive success of the three books and all the things like,
• 1:00:32
  what does something shift inside of you? Or does something where,
• 1:00:35
  or is it like again, your brilliant, strategic, you know,
• 1:00:38
  business mind, like, how do we get to the skinny 60? And
• 1:00:42
  caveat, I gotta put a little thing please talk about that
• 1:00:46
  name, because I know people like, will hear skinny and go
• 1:00:50
  like, Wait, what's that
• 1:00:53
  about all of this opportunity? Yeah, yeah. No. So you know, I
• 1:00:58
  was incredibly fortunate that my books were very, very
• 1:01:00
  successful, and they've sold hundreds of 1000s of copies. And
• 1:01:03
  I went on international book tours, and I met 1000s and 1000s
• 1:01:07
  of people, which was such a joy, because I actually prefer one to
• 1:01:10
  one or very small groups. I love speaking to huge crowds and
• 1:01:14
  1000s of people, but I really, really love to meet people one
• 1:01:16
  on one, and hear their story and connect with them heart to
• 1:01:19
  heart, and really get a sense of things. So it was a great
• 1:01:21
  opportunity. You know, William Sonoma made my book their
• 1:01:24
  featured book for May and Mother's Day, and every store in
• 1:01:26
  the country cooked their way through my book. And I had a lot
• 1:01:29
  of other brand partners and lots of opportunities to meet people
• 1:01:32
  around the world. And everybody loved the recipes. They were so
• 1:01:36
  excited about it. They were making the food I was I did a
• 1:01:38
  lot of events where I was cooking with people, and we were
• 1:01:41
  tasting the food, and I was teaching people how to tweak
• 1:01:43
  things and make it their own. And, you know, riff off of
• 1:01:46
  recipes, and that was really fun. And, you know, in the
• 1:01:48
  blender girl book, specifically, there's a big, you know,
• 1:01:51
  narrative section where I go over all the tent poles of
• 1:01:54
  health and nutrition, what I believe are the most important I
• 1:01:56
  was gonna ask you, right, yes, yeah, and how it feeds into the
• 1:01:59
  philosophy behind the book and how I develop recipes and why I
• 1:02:02
  include certain ingredients and not other ingredients and etc.
• 1:02:05
  And that is developed beyond the first book as well, by the way.
• 1:02:08
  You know, as we learn more about ingredients, etc. So as I was
• 1:02:12
  meeting all these people, the same things kept coming up. Was
• 1:02:15
  the people wanted more guidance, and they wanted expert guidance
• 1:02:19
  that the recipes weren't enough. It was a huge piece of it to be
• 1:02:22
  able to eat delicious food and get excited about eating
• 1:02:25
  vegetables, but they needed more guidance about these other
• 1:02:28
  aspects of their health, and it needed to be very tailored and
• 1:02:31
  personalized, because there isn't just one blanket way, as
• 1:02:34
  we were saying. And so whilst I have studied health and
• 1:02:38
  nutrition, I'm a huge Fact Finder. I know a lot about this.
• 1:02:41
  I don't have a medical license. I In a previous, you know, life.
• 1:02:44
  I could have been a dietitian or a doctor, you know, I was
• 1:02:47
  thinking about being a doctor for a little bit, you know, but
• 1:02:49
  I always just wanted to be part of story. I wanted to be on the
• 1:02:51
  stage. I wanted to be but, you know, I wanted to be doing all
• 1:02:54
  these things, and you can't do everything. So I didn't go and
• 1:02:57
  do that. So it's very, very important to me that if I was
• 1:03:00
  going to create programs. They were people were going to be
• 1:03:03
  under the care of people with medical licenses. There's just
• 1:03:06
  so many influences, people on Instagram, people that have a
• 1:03:10
  lot of followers. And even though, yeah, I have, you know,
• 1:03:12
  we've got, what, almost 2 million followers. You know, in
• 1:03:14
  social media, particularly on Facebook, that doesn't mean
• 1:03:17
  anything, you know, it doesn't mean anything. You could have
• 1:03:20
  one viral post and, you know, a celebrity talks about you, or a
• 1:03:23
  media outlet talks about you, and then all of a sudden you've
• 1:03:26
  got all these followers, you know, that was certainly the
• 1:03:28
  case for me. I've spoken to Google and Facebook and been at
• 1:03:30
  all these big events, and I had all these strategic partners,
• 1:03:33
  and that's how I grew my following, in addition to being
• 1:03:35
  on these tours, you know. But okay, that doesn't mean I'm
• 1:03:38
  qualified to tell you about your health, a medical practitioner
• 1:03:43
  is qualified to do that, and dietitians are the medical
• 1:03:46
  practitioners that eat, sleep and breathe, how to use food as
• 1:03:50
  a functional tool for better, like medicine. Like food is
• 1:03:52
  medicine Exactly. And just like a cardiologist is who you're
• 1:03:56
  going to go to for your heart, an endocrinologist is who you're
• 1:03:59
  going to go to if you have diabetes, etc, so they've all
• 1:04:02
  got their different specialties, but because we're all eating
• 1:04:05
  multiple times a day, Mo, the average medical practitioner
• 1:04:09
  gets three hours or half a day, day at the most of nutrition
• 1:04:13
  training in their entire medical career, unless they go and
• 1:04:16
  actively seek out further training. So they don't really
• 1:04:19
  understand the nuances of how, how to use food. They know the
• 1:04:24
  basics, but they don't know anything beyond that. Whereas
• 1:04:26
  dietitians, and then dietitians go into specialties, you know
• 1:04:29
  they you have dietitians that specialize in oncology and
• 1:04:31
  breast cancer, you've got people that specialize in diabetes,
• 1:04:34
  people that specialize in digestive health. So that was
• 1:04:36
  really important to me. So everything had to be based in
• 1:04:39
  science. I'm a very, very science, science driven person.
• 1:04:42
  And if it's not under Indian undeniable, indisputable
• 1:04:45
  science, I'm not interested in it, you know. So it has to be
• 1:04:48
  that way. So when it came time to develop the skinny 60 and
• 1:04:53
  seek the 60 day reset, we had to have dietitians facilitating
• 1:04:58
  that program. So I really stay in my lane. And I help people
• 1:05:00
  make it delicious. I help but make them work in their
• 1:05:03
  lifestyle. I work on the mindset piece of it, that's my
• 1:05:06
  specialty. And then all the all the nutrition education and
• 1:05:12
  guidance comes from medical practitioners. So when you put
• 1:05:14
  those different elements together, that's where the magic
• 1:05:17
  happens. So when it came time to think about it, you know that
• 1:05:20
  it's a very methodical, strategic way why it's 60 days,
• 1:05:23
  because it takes, you know, that long to really implement
• 1:05:27
  different strategies and make them start to become habits.
• 1:05:30
  You're also going to go through two hormonal cycles, because
• 1:05:33
  that inextricably affects your metabolism, your metabolic
• 1:05:36
  function, your blood sugar, all the things, and then a digestive
• 1:05:40
  reset. Really takes that much time and more for some people,
• 1:05:44
  so we need that amount of time strategically to really make a
• 1:05:48
  difference. And then the skinny part of it, skinny 60. We're all
• 1:05:54
  so obsessed about our weight and wanting to be thin and skinny
• 1:05:59
  and beautiful, we're brainwashed into thinking the only way that
• 1:06:02
  we can do that is to deprive ourselves, to starve ourselves,
• 1:06:05
  to diet, to be thin and beautiful. You can't have a
• 1:06:08
  fuller figure. Weight is only one measure of health, and I
• 1:06:12
  would argue, the least reliable indicator of health. So we're
• 1:06:16
  wanting to really re educate people on our relationship to
• 1:06:20
  skinny, our relationship to weight and that we're looking at
• 1:06:25
  your blood sugar, your sleep and energy, your bowel movements,
• 1:06:29
  the inflammation markers in your body, your blood pressure, your
• 1:06:32
  blood sugar, your cholesterol, etc, there are so your mood
• 1:06:34
  stability, you know whether your hormones are optimized. There's
• 1:06:39
  so many other markers of better health that are more important
• 1:06:42
  doesn't mean that we don't want to be a healthy weight. I'm not
• 1:06:45
  discounting that, but we're not leading with that. And so, you
• 1:06:48
  know, in other circles, skinny is another term for getting the
• 1:06:52
  information, absolutely getting the skinny on something. So for
• 1:06:57
  me, it was like, Oh, we want to help people get the skinny on
• 1:07:02
  how their body can function in an optimal level at this chapter
• 1:07:07
  in their life, at this age, because what's going to work for
• 1:07:10
  you at 40 is different than when you're 70. So we're wanting to
• 1:07:14
  work with every single person on a bio, individual, personal
• 1:07:18
  level. It's a very, very, very personal program. That's why
• 1:07:21
  it's not a guy. It's not a self guided program. We have to get
• 1:07:24
  in there with every person. So everybody gets a questionnaire,
• 1:07:27
  very detailed, you know, we give them a very, very detailed
• 1:07:30
  response on how to make our program work for them. And then
• 1:07:34
  we got to keep tweaking and working with each person to make
• 1:07:36
  sure that they're going to find the Karen, the Karen way of
• 1:07:40
  doing, you know, using our bag of tools. Because really, it's
• 1:07:43
  just a bag of tools. We're not pushing any one diet. So we've
• 1:07:46
  got vegans, vegetarians, pescatarians, omnivores,
• 1:07:49
  whatever you choose to do that, that's, that's, that's your
• 1:07:53
  choice. But everybody should be plant based, meaning our diet is
• 1:07:58
  based in plants, and then we supplement with other quality
• 1:08:01
  foods, about choice, and so that's really where we're coming
• 1:08:05
  at it is wanting to help people put the different pieces of the
• 1:08:09
  puzzle together. You know, pieces of the pie. Everybody's
• 1:08:12
  got a different way of saying that, but, you know, and that
• 1:08:14
  takes that takes training, and it takes help. We can't do it on
• 1:08:17
  our own, you know, because we're not medical practitioners, most
• 1:08:20
  of us, and even, you know, we have a lot of doctors and a lot
• 1:08:22
  of medical practitioners that take our program as participants
• 1:08:26
  and that, you know, you can't diagnose yourself. Yeah, so,
• 1:08:30
  yeah, it's a really, it's a really exhilarating process. Is
• 1:08:34
  the word that I would choose to use, because it's really fun to
• 1:08:37
  get in there and figure out what's going to be the things
• 1:08:41
  that move the needle for every
• 1:08:42
  person. Okay, so let me, let me ask a follow up question. So
• 1:08:45
  somebody who's listening to this and they're like, Okay, Tess is
• 1:08:49
  amazing. I love her energy. She has these programs. Can we kind
• 1:08:52
  of just get into the nitty gritty a little bit about it,
• 1:08:55
  like, so ideally, or not even ideally, like somebody might not
• 1:09:01
  have Epstein Barr or the whatever, but it's somebody
• 1:09:04
  who's like, I've been feeling like, not that great, not
• 1:09:07
  feeling like myself. You know, the menopause middle, we call
• 1:09:11
  it, right? I'm getting a belly. I'm like, perimenopause. What
• 1:09:14
  are these hot flashes? Right? All these things that are like,
• 1:09:17
  going on. So I want, I have just a very specific questions,
• 1:09:22
  because I know we only have, like, 10 minutes, and I want to
• 1:09:24
  make sure somebody who's listening to this can identify
• 1:09:27
  if something working with you is going to be helpful to them. Do
• 1:09:30
  men and women do the program? So the 60 day reset is the one
• 1:09:36
  that's coming up. I don't know when people are going to listen
• 1:09:39
  to this, but I know in January 2026, you have another, a new 60
• 1:09:42
  day session coming up,
• 1:09:43
  correct? Yeah, we lead it four times a year so, and maybe at
• 1:09:47
  some point we might lead it more, but at the moment, we lead
• 1:09:49
  it four times a year.
• 1:09:50
  Okay, so you have one coming up in January. So somebody's
• 1:09:54
  listening to this, and is there, kind of like, how do I say this?
• 1:09:59
  Okay. Are, is there certain groups of people that tend to
• 1:10:03
  want to take this program? Or why do people come and take the
• 1:10:07
  60 day reset? Like, what's usually going on with them?
• 1:10:10
  Like, what part of their oh,
• 1:10:12
  gosh, it's, it's, it's so many different people from so many
• 1:10:15
  different walks of life. So our main demographic is women over
• 1:10:18
  40. Okay? Women their 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s. But we do. We have
• 1:10:22
  health people in their 20s and 30s. We do have men doing the
• 1:10:25
  program, but it's primarily women. But a lot of husbands do
• 1:10:29
  it with their partners. You know, because you've been in the
• 1:10:31
  same food, you're eating the same food, yeah, and they get
• 1:10:33
  the benefit, which is great. We do have a lot of siblings, a lot
• 1:10:36
  of co workers, a lot of you know, a lot of husbands and
• 1:10:39
  wives or partners. You know, wives and wives, husbands and
• 1:10:42
  husbands, whatever. We have a lot of that going on, but it's
• 1:10:45
  people that just want to feel better. So it's people that have
• 1:10:47
  low energy. Their hormones are all over wicked. Got really
• 1:10:50
  chronic menopause symptoms. They're not sleeping through the
• 1:10:52
  night. They can't lose weight no matter what they've been doing.
• 1:10:55
  A lot of doctors and practitioners will send people
• 1:10:57
  because the a one sees they're pre diabetic, or they're already
• 1:11:00
  diabetic, they're high they've got high blood pressure and
• 1:11:03
  cholesterol. They need to regulate all that their numbers.
• 1:11:05
  And
• 1:11:05
  so people are able to things that come with having a body
• 1:11:09
  Pretty
• 1:11:09
  much, yeah, yet, people that are constipated, people that have
• 1:11:12
  diarrhea, people that have digestive health issues, a lot
• 1:11:14
  of people that come in with Hashimotos, graves, thyroid
• 1:11:17
  disease, fatty liver. I mean, look, if you've got any kind of
• 1:11:21
  health issue, or you're just not feeling as good as you want to
• 1:11:25
  feel, or you just want to feel better, we do have people that
• 1:11:28
  come in, like, I don't really have any health issues, but I
• 1:11:30
  don't want to get any, you know, Mike, we've got a family history
• 1:11:33
  of XYZ, and I don't want to get it. I want to be proactive. And,
• 1:11:35
  I mean, that's amazing, too. So, you know, people are able to
• 1:11:39
  regulate their numbers in 60 days. You know, it's quite
• 1:11:42
  remarkable. So we're really big on blood work, you know, you
• 1:11:45
  don't have to do it, but we do recommend you get that data and
• 1:11:47
  have blood taken, you know, within six months of starting
• 1:11:51
  the program, and then you get it taken three months, you know,
• 1:11:54
  later, and the results are dramatic that you know, the
• 1:11:57
  blood is the truth serum of the body. It doesn't lie. You know,
• 1:11:59
  you can't lie. You can't argue with those results. So it's
• 1:12:02
  really extraordinary. What happens when you start to eat
• 1:12:06
  strategically for your body, meaning, what's going to work
• 1:12:09
  for you is slightly different than what's going to work for
• 1:12:12
  me, you know. So we have the same general principles, but how
• 1:12:16
  you would implement it would be different.
• 1:12:18
  So just and blend, blend in the different approaches. Okay,
• 1:12:22
  yeah. So what can they kind of expect? Like, I know it's a 60
• 1:12:26
  day program. I can just say, from going through it, you guys
• 1:12:29
  the amount of love and care that I know you have poured and I'm
• 1:12:32
  not just saying this, those daily emails alone, like, again,
• 1:12:36
  because I look at everything as, yes, somebody who's going
• 1:12:40
  through the program and experiencing it. But my other
• 1:12:42
  part of my brain is like, out here watching and going like, Oh
• 1:12:46
  my God, just as a coach, a fellow coach, and a business
• 1:12:49
  owner, and whatever, the amount of time, the amount of attention
• 1:12:53
  you had to pay to really understand, oh. Day three,
• 1:12:57
  they're starting to get nervous. Day 10, this is what's going on
• 1:13:01
  inside them day 14. And each day they're getting these it's like,
• 1:13:05
  literally, not only you holding their hand and meeting them each
• 1:13:09
  day with an email over those 60 days. Then there's like, what
• 1:13:14
  the weekly calls with you, the group calls where they can ask
• 1:13:17
  questions. So can you just kind of tell them, like, what they
• 1:13:19
  might experience in the program so they can envision themselves
• 1:13:22
  if it's a good fit for them. Yeah,
• 1:13:24
  yeah. And look, you know, anyone that has any questions can
• 1:13:27
  always get on a 15 minute call with me. You know, you can flip
• 1:13:29
  that through the website, because you do want to make
• 1:13:31
  sure, if you're going to spend 60 days on something, it's not
• 1:13:34
  just a financial commitment, it's an energetic heart song
• 1:13:37
  commitment. And people have been so burnt by so many things, and
• 1:13:40
  then you start to think that nothing's going to work, and you
• 1:13:43
  don't want to spend time and money on something that's not
• 1:13:45
  going to work. So you want to know it's the right fit, you
• 1:13:47
  know, because you want to be excited about being there. So
• 1:13:50
  yeah, you know, we it's a lot of hand holding. It's very
• 1:13:53
  personal. So you come in, there's a Live prep week where
• 1:13:55
  we have three live video calls, and everybody says they feel so
• 1:13:58
  much better after those calls, which is why we add that prep
• 1:14:00
  week. And then we start day one a week later. And then we all go
• 1:14:03
  through the program. Everybody in the world goes through it at
• 1:14:06
  the same time for 60 days. You get a daily email. And you know,
• 1:14:09
  after having done this for six years now this particular
• 1:14:12
  program, we just know what the trajectory looks like for the
• 1:14:14
  average person. So those daily emails are just their
• 1:14:16
  motivation. You know, it's things you want to be looking
• 1:14:18
  at, and those can be really helpful. And then we have two
• 1:14:21
  live video calls, one with the dietitian every week. It's a Q
• 1:14:24
  and A we cover a different part of the program. It's a nutrition
• 1:14:27
  education and then anybody can be on Zoom and ask any questions
• 1:14:31
  about anything. So it's a really great opportunity to speak to a
• 1:14:34
  dietitian face to face and ask any questions you might have.
• 1:14:37
  There's also unlimited email support, so you can email our
• 1:14:40
  team at any time and ask questions about anything. Then
• 1:14:43
  there's the Facebook group where you can also interact. Then my
• 1:14:46
  office hours is that open, you know, call that lasts for
• 1:14:49
  several hours every week. Or anyone can come in at any time
• 1:14:51
  and you can watch the recordings if you can't join live and then,
• 1:14:55
  but it's, how are we getting they can get their personal
• 1:14:57
  questions answered, like to get all.
• 1:15:00
  Ways You have to be able to do that. You have to. So, yeah,
• 1:15:02
  everyone gets a questionnaire at the beginning of the program.
• 1:15:05
  You do some evaluations, so we can really help you customize
• 1:15:09
  it. And then we supply meal plans and hundreds of recipes,
• 1:15:12
  but you don't have to follow them. You can eat out and
• 1:15:14
  travel. You can cook one meal and eat it with your family.
• 1:15:18
  That's why it has to happen live too, because everyone's in a
• 1:15:21
  different situation. Well, I've got my dream trip to Paris for a
• 1:15:24
  week. I can I do the Yep, you can. Let me show you how you can
• 1:15:26
  do it, you know. And it's all about balance. I can eat. We eat
• 1:15:30
  out a lot great. Like, we've had people that haven't made one
• 1:15:32
  single recipe, and, like, we've got people that were there doing
• 1:15:35
  kitchen renovations, and they they just stop off at the
• 1:15:37
  grocery store on the way home and pick up food at their
• 1:15:39
  favorite restaurants. And we can help people. Okay, what do you
• 1:15:42
  like to eat? Where do you like to eat? Blah, blah, blah. Okay,
• 1:15:44
  let me I mean, I can do this at Golden Corral to Marie calendars
• 1:15:47
  to Chipotle, you know. So, I mean, this can be done. So it's
• 1:15:51
  just figuring it out, and also the personalities of each
• 1:15:55
  person. Everybody learns differently. Everybody's got
• 1:15:58
  slightly different obstacles, things they're dealing with. You
• 1:16:01
  know, you might be caring for elderly parents. You might have
• 1:16:03
  teenage children who are picky eaters. You might have, you
• 1:16:06
  know, athlete, you know, 18 year olds that need a lot of
• 1:16:10
  sustenance. I mean, there's just so many different situations,
• 1:16:12
  and so that's why it has to happen live as well. So it's
• 1:16:15
  very, it's very customized, but, yeah, I mean, that's what's fun
• 1:16:17
  about it. I'm, you know, my dietitians and I, we always love
• 1:16:20
  it when we get a question we haven't been asked before, we're
• 1:16:22
  like, yeah, we're like, yeah, let's get into this, you know,
• 1:16:24
  because it's just, it's just so interesting to to work through
• 1:16:29
  that with people.
• 1:16:30
  Well, I mean, I can feel your passion for it. And I have,
• 1:16:32
  like, I said, I went through it. I've been in the grooves. I've
• 1:16:35
  seen you on the calls and, like, the the variety of questions.
• 1:16:38
  I'm like, and, man, you can just answer them like, and what I
• 1:16:41
  love too, is you're like, if you don't know an answer, you're
• 1:16:44
  like, we're gonna find out, and we're gonna come back and we're
• 1:16:47
  gonna be able to help you, and we and
• 1:16:49
  if we've got to bring another expert, we will, yeah, so, I
• 1:16:52
  mean, that's what's great about that, being connected to
• 1:16:55
  practitioners at the highest level, you know, like Megan, our
• 1:16:57
  lead dietitian sees, she's the Director of health
• 1:16:59
  communications at the celiac disease Foundation, and she
• 1:17:02
  they're using, you know, the study in celiac disease to study
• 1:17:06
  all other autoimmune conditions, because it's the only autoimmune
• 1:17:09
  condition where we know the trigger gluten, you know. So
• 1:17:12
  she's on the forefront of all of that, that that research, you
• 1:17:16
  know. And she's at gastroenterology conferences all
• 1:17:18
  the time, you know. So that we've just got a lot of people
• 1:17:20
  that are, you know, really on the forefront of what's coming
• 1:17:23
  out right now. We also, you know, update our website every
• 1:17:26
  single December to make sure it's in line with global health
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  recommendations and the latest science and research. So it's a
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  very, it's very much a living, breathing website. We've got to
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  make sure that we're giving people the most up to date
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  information. So that's fun, too. You know, science is science is
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  fun.
• 1:17:41
  Oh my gosh, there's so much. And it sounds like it's totally
• 1:17:44
  like, the opposite of like a diet, like that diet culture, it
• 1:17:48
  feels like we don't want you hate you're like, not a fan of
• 1:17:52
  diets,
• 1:17:53
  not a fan, not a fan. I mean, I love to eat, and I love to eat a
• 1:17:58
  lot, and that, you know, that is the biggest thing that we find,
• 1:18:01
  is most women in particular are under nourishing themselves.
• 1:18:05
  They're actually not eating enough, and that gets in the way
• 1:18:07
  of better thyroid function and better metabolic function. And
• 1:18:10
  so then you can't maintain a healthy weight or lose weight
• 1:18:13
  when you're not optimizing your body function. So it's look, if
• 1:18:17
  I had $1 for every person that says to me, I'm losing weight
• 1:18:20
  easily eating more food than I've ever eaten in my life
• 1:18:23
  before. I can't believe this, and I'm like, isn't it awesome?
• 1:18:26
  Welcome to the Promised Land, my friend. And
• 1:18:29
  all those questions that you have and get so confused by
• 1:18:32
  because, like you said, the influences in the internet. It's
• 1:18:34
  like, you know, why is the gut microbiome so important? Why is
• 1:18:38
  gut health so important? Am I eating enough protein? What am I
• 1:18:41
  supposed to be doing now I'm in menopause. Like, look like, it's
• 1:18:44
  a, you're like, a one stop shop. Like, people can come in get the
• 1:18:47
  support they need. Like, learn. So, like, that's the exciting
• 1:18:50
  thing too. It's like so many programs. What makes one of the
• 1:18:54
  things that makes your program so different is that it is so
• 1:18:57
  individualized. A lot of people, like other programs just kind of
• 1:19:01
  dump, like, like, like, pray and spray, you know what? Everyone
• 1:19:06
  pray and pray and like, hope you can figure it out. But there's
• 1:19:09
  so much, like, individualized and from experts, like, true
• 1:19:13
  experts, not just like, Oh, my sister went through the
• 1:19:15
  nutritional coaching program over the weekend. You know it's
• 1:19:18
  like, and I think the other thing too, is that you're, I
• 1:19:23
  mean, first of all, you guys, come on. You can't be around
• 1:19:25
  tests and not have a good time. But like, you're making healthy
• 1:19:28
  choices and sustain. You're making it sustainable and wicked
• 1:19:33
  important. You're making it fun.
• 1:19:35
  Oh, it has to be fun, and it has to be sustainable. Otherwise,
• 1:19:40
  healthy habits don't stick. Okay, got to want to keep doing
• 1:19:43
  it, and it doesn't mean we do it every minute of the day. That's
• 1:19:46
  the other really important thing. You know, our superpower
• 1:19:49
  is our Achilles heel. When not held in balance, we don't want
• 1:19:51
  to be living in extremes. We're all going to eat the potato
• 1:19:55
  chips or the donut or the whatever your, your, your, you
• 1:19:58
  know, lovely, yummy. Food of choices, comfort food of
• 1:20:01
  choices. We just don't do it every day. Yeah, so it's about
• 1:20:04
  finding a place for all of it. And I don't believe in saying I
• 1:20:09
  can't eat that unless you're anaphylactically allergic to it
• 1:20:12
  or something, then for sure, right? No, don't, please don't
• 1:20:14
  eat it. But most people, you know, we don't want to be
• 1:20:18
  feeling guilt about and shame about food, I choose to just not
• 1:20:21
  feel that way, and I encourage everybody else to feel okay. I
• 1:20:24
  ate it. So what'd you learn? What'd you learn? Did you enjoy
• 1:20:28
  it? Did you have fun? Great. So next choice we get to, we get to
• 1:20:32
  make a different decision, you know, and whatever. And
• 1:20:35
  sometimes we eat the doughnut, and it was a delicious Did you
• 1:20:39
  laugh with your friend? Did you make a happy memory then
• 1:20:41
  Awesome. That's a great reason to eat the donut.
• 1:20:43
  I'm so lucky that here in New Hampshire, we have an incredible
• 1:20:46
  bakery that makes vegan donuts that, Oh, you just can't, you
• 1:20:51
  just can't. Even if you ever come here, we will go to lumber
• 1:20:54
  deal you're on. I know you gotta go. But two super fast
• 1:20:57
  questions, if somebody is, like, interested, and they're like, I
• 1:21:02
  want to learn more. All your ways to find you are going to be
• 1:21:06
  in the show notes and all that you can just, we can rattle them
• 1:21:08
  off too here, if you want to. But my question is, if somebody,
• 1:21:11
  like, wants to start something, they don't want to wait till
• 1:21:14
  January, they're not ready, maybe to do 60 days. Don't you
• 1:21:17
  have, like, a seven day program where they can get their feet
• 1:21:20
  wet?
• 1:21:20
  Yes? Yeah, we've got a seven day kickstart, which is kind of a
• 1:21:24
  one week taste of the program. So a lot of people do that. A
• 1:21:28
  lot of people do that. And I will, I do do guided versions of
• 1:21:32
  that too. So periodically throughout the year, where you
• 1:21:35
  can come in and actually get coached with me for a week. And
• 1:21:39
  we would that that has three live video calls as well. So a
• 1:21:42
  lot of people do that because it's it's quite extraordinary.
• 1:21:45
  What can happen in a week, which is unbelievable, I know, but
• 1:21:48
  then you feel it in your body, like there's one thing to know
• 1:21:51
  it intellectually and kind of buy into the science of it, or
• 1:21:55
  the, yeah, I understand the gut health piece. I understand
• 1:21:58
  needing the protein, but regulating my blood sugar, etc,
• 1:22:01
  but then when you feel it in your body, you can't go You
• 1:22:05
  can't deny that. You can't get away from that like, Oh, my God,
• 1:22:08
  I'm all of a sudden sleeping through the night when I haven't
• 1:22:10
  for many, many years. I've all of a sudden lost a few pounds
• 1:22:12
  when I didn't think that was possible. I think that's what
• 1:22:15
  holds a lot of people back, is this, oh, I've just got one of
• 1:22:18
  those bodies where I just can't lose weight at this age or their
• 1:22:20
  spinal body, right? I'm 70 and I'm always going to have to get
• 1:22:25
  up multiple times to pee. We've got women in their 70s who are
• 1:22:28
  sleeping through the night for the first time in their lives,
• 1:22:30
  right? So these myths that we hold on to just just don't have
• 1:22:35
  to be true. You know? We there's many things we can do, and we
• 1:22:40
  are in control of how our body feels. I know that if you've got
• 1:22:44
  diseases and disorders and you're born with things, that
• 1:22:46
  you've got to deal with that, but you can improve how you feel
• 1:22:50
  and often eradicate things. You know, people that have had acid
• 1:22:53
  reflux for years or constipated their entire lives, all of a
• 1:22:56
  sudden, going to the bathroom several times a day, or at least
• 1:22:59
  once a day. No acid reflux anymore, or whatever it might
• 1:23:04
  be, food is powerful and strategic. Nutrition is
• 1:23:07
  powerful, and there's a huge difference between healthy
• 1:23:10
  eating, just eating all the things on the Healthy Foods
• 1:23:12
  List, and being strategic, meaning eating foods in a way
• 1:23:16
  that's right for your body, and that there's a world of
• 1:23:20
  difference. And when you start eating strategically for your
• 1:23:24
  body and your needs, your body starts responding, and it is
• 1:23:29
  spectacular. And that is why we do everything live, so that we
• 1:23:32
  can help you figure that out. Now, some people, they start
• 1:23:35
  flying in the first week. Other people, we got to do a bit of
• 1:23:38
  trial and error and back and forth and help figuring it out.
• 1:23:41
  And then all of a sudden, oh my goodness, we find, you know, the
• 1:23:43
  pieces, and it's quite exhilarating. So
• 1:23:46
  okay, and I know somebody out there who's listening, who's an
• 1:23:49
  athlete, is saying, Can she help me as an athlete as well?
• 1:23:51
  Oh, of course, of course. Yeah, no. I mean, look, that's, that
• 1:23:54
  is the thing. I mean, we spoke to you about this, didn't we,
• 1:23:56
  Karen, is that a lot of athletes, they're really, really
• 1:23:59
  motivated, and they've got their routines down, but they may not
• 1:24:02
  be nourishing themselves for each particular workout, because
• 1:24:06
  the way that you would choose to nourish yourself for a 10 mile
• 1:24:08
  bike ride is very different than a Pilates session or a swim
• 1:24:10
  session, and then what you eat after the workout, and then what
• 1:24:14
  you eat during the week when you're not working out. You
• 1:24:17
  know, we all think that the strength happens during the
• 1:24:20
  workout, we're actually tearing the muscles down, and the
• 1:24:22
  regeneration and the strength building happens after the
• 1:24:25
  workout. So we just feel, you know, we find that a lot of
• 1:24:28
  athletes just aren't fueling and nourishing their bodies
• 1:24:30
  adequately in order to support all the wonderful work that
• 1:24:34
  they're doing. You know, from working out to, yeah, we have a
• 1:24:37
  lot of triathletes and athletes and people, you know, we have
• 1:24:40
  people of all works of life. So again, that's why it has to be
• 1:24:43
  tailored to each person. Because somebody who's, you know, 60 and
• 1:24:48
  sedentary working on the computer all day compared to an
• 1:24:51
  athlete, what you're going to need is different. So yeah,
• 1:24:54
  we've got to completely customize it to each person.
• 1:24:57
  All right, I could talk to you like all day, and. And I have
• 1:25:01
  all these questions I still want to ask you, but here's the same
• 1:25:04
  Is there anything I didn't ask you that you wish I did? Or is
• 1:25:09
  there anything that's on your hat that you feel like you still
• 1:25:12
  just want to say or share, and you can totally take a moment if
• 1:25:15
  you
• 1:25:16
  Oh, thank you for asking me that, that you are in control.
• 1:25:25
  You're in control of what happens to your body. You know,
• 1:25:30
  yes, there we get diseases. Yes, there's things we're born with
• 1:25:33
  in genetic predispositions and so forth. But for the most part,
• 1:25:37
  you can control how you feel, and even if you have a disorder
• 1:25:42
  or a health condition, you can feel better with
• 1:25:45
  it. And this is the emotional that
• 1:25:49
  is absolutely true. You know, for women going through
• 1:25:51
  menopause is I don't have any menopause symptoms because I've
• 1:25:55
  really got my nutrition and my hormones dialed in. And I, you
• 1:25:58
  know, we help people on HRT or not? HRT, that's a personal
• 1:26:02
  decision to be discussed with your practitioner. So you know,
• 1:26:06
  whether you're on a GLP, one medication or not, we help both
• 1:26:10
  kinds of people, you know. So you there are so many things
• 1:26:15
  that you can do, and food is in food and lifestyle choices are
• 1:26:19
  so powerful. And so you know, if you're sitting listening to this
• 1:26:23
  thinking, Oh, I'm one of those people, and I'm too far gone,
• 1:26:26
  you're not. You're absolutely not. And it just, how do we eat
• 1:26:29
  the whale, one bite at a time? So it's just, we make one
• 1:26:34
  choice, then we make another one, then we make another one.
• 1:26:37
  We don't eat the whole whale. We may decide we don't like that
• 1:26:39
  particular whale. We want one little bite and go, Okay, I want
• 1:26:42
  to eat a bit more of that, you know. Or we might just like we
• 1:26:44
  want to go over there and eat that whale, you know. So we just
• 1:26:47
  do it step by step by step. I mean that really, that would be
• 1:26:50
  the thing I would close with. Is, in our the mantra in our
• 1:26:53
  community is good, better or best, not perfect. So we're not
• 1:26:58
  aiming for perfection. We're just aiming to make the next
• 1:27:02
  choice. I used to say the next better choice, but now I just
• 1:27:06
  say the next choice, because going back to Nelson Mandela, if
• 1:27:12
  we if we never lose, we either win or we learn, every choice
• 1:27:17
  serves us. So just make a choice and then look at what you're
• 1:27:21
  going to learn from it, period, and just have fun.
• 1:27:24
  Well, look, I hope a bunch of people make a choice to join
• 1:27:27
  your programs, because I know they are life changing. I've
• 1:27:30
  seen the testimonials. I've been through the program. I know what
• 1:27:33
  people are sharing. I've heard them on the calls, getting
• 1:27:36
  emotional and writing in the group. This is the first time
• 1:27:40
  ever that, and it's like, oh my god, like, you can't help but
• 1:27:43
  get like, wicked
• 1:27:44
  excited. So it's an honor to be a part of
• 1:27:47
  that, for sure. I mean, yeah, I mean all of the best of you,
• 1:27:51
  like all of your skill sets and the way your brain works and
• 1:27:55
  your acting and like all the parts of you have come to create
• 1:27:59
  and serve this community in such a beautiful way, and you are
• 1:28:02
  making an impact, and you are making a difference, I would
• 1:28:05
  even go so as far to say is, not only are you saving lives, you
• 1:28:08
  are you are helping people shift the qualities of how they feel
• 1:28:13
  in their lives, which affects how you parent, how you love,
• 1:28:16
  how you show up in your business, how you show up in
• 1:28:18
  your relationships and your marriages. It's not just food,
• 1:28:21
  you guys, this is a whole exponential like all areas of
• 1:28:25
  your life, physical, mental, emotional and spiritual are
• 1:28:28
  affected by what we are putting in our bodies and how we're
• 1:28:31
  thinking about things, and that support in that community. It's
• 1:28:35
  like your parents giving you that safe place as a child like
• 1:28:38
  you matter. You're kind of recreating that now for so many
• 1:28:41
  adults, like little kids in adult bodies who didn't get
• 1:28:45
  their hands held, and you're creating a really beautiful
• 1:28:48
  healing community. And I hope you really like get that.
• 1:28:52
  Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, it we we have a beautiful community
• 1:28:58
  of incredible people, and everybody just celebrates and
• 1:29:01
  elevates each other, and it's extraordinary. It's an honor to
• 1:29:04
  be a part of it. And so thank you. You're part of that
• 1:29:06
  community now too, and thank you for the work that you're doing.
• 1:29:10
  There's so much synergy. And I remember the first time we
• 1:29:12
  spoke, we spoke for four and a half hours, and we just
• 1:29:16
  couldn't, Me too. Me too. Oh my goodness. I mean, it was like,
• 1:29:19
  you know, I'd met a soul mate. It was extraordinary. So I feel
• 1:29:22
  so honored to be on your podcast. I know how picky you
• 1:29:25
  are, so thank you for giving me this time. I loved it.
• 1:29:30
  I loved it, and I love you. And will you please just tell folks
• 1:29:32
  in your own in your own voice, I want to make sure they're going
• 1:29:35
  to the right places. I have all your links, but will you just
• 1:29:37
  tell them how to find you, how to join the program and like all
• 1:29:41
  that,
• 1:29:41
  yeah, you can go to skinny sixty.com at skinny and then six
• 1:29:44
  zero.com you can go to the blender girl, if you just want
• 1:29:47
  some yummy, delicious, easy recipes. And if you Yeah,
• 1:29:50
  anything's at test masters.com so I've got a bunch of different
• 1:29:54
  websites. I love to create websites. You know that, yeah, I
• 1:29:56
  know you're holding up the book. You're so beautiful. Yeah, you
• 1:29:58
  can get the blender girl. The blender girl. Smoothies or the
• 1:30:00
  perfect blend on Amazon, anywhere books are sold, and
• 1:30:03
  then it's just fun. I mean, come on, isn't just eating yummy food
• 1:30:06
  the best.